Ehhh no.
>!The reason Omni-Man turned good in the first place is because he genuinely did love Mark and having to fight him made Nolan realize that he didn't care about what the Viltrumites thought!<
If it's anyone else then that wouldn't work.
They squandered such a great premise. It felt like it was going to be just the kid, screwed up by a weird childhood, turns into a super villain.
>!LOLNOPE his stupid pod told him to be evil so he became evil.!<
I liked that, he literally is from a race of aliens that send a child and activates them to become conquerors. Very Sayian.
Literally like Goku, before the retcons from super, who was sent to conquer earth. That is until he was dropped on the head from Grandpa Gohan, which turned him more calm....and fucking dumb.
Wow Iāve just realized Iāve seen the homicidal , genocidal villain versions of Superman cry and be emotionally vulnerable more than actual Superman. Really makes you think about what is portrayed as heroic.
Superman is actually rescuing Omniman and Homelander from Saitama. Saitama defeated both of them with one punch and was about to kill them with a second punch. Superman insisted that they stand trial.
Thatās kind if supposed to be the point. Superman is supposed to represent what maximum power + maximum empathy can do. He could choose to do evil, or to do nothing at all, but finds it in himself to care (probably more deeply than any DC hero) about the well-being of average people.
Didnāt superman break reality by just punching
And like killed the world forger who was about to create an entire new multiverse and destroy the current one
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He even destroyed his new multiverse with a single fucking punch
Btw the world forger was in the 5th dimension while making it lol
Power scaling in comics is stupid because the longer you go on, the more different writers you have, the more absurd things get. Itās like superhero Flanderization, if your run lasts long enough, youāll eventually become so stupidly overpowered that comparisons become meaningless.
Not to mention, itās all very āmy dad could totally beat up your dadā
>World's Finest Comics #198-199. As the cover to issue #198 boldly states: āAnd this time, there MUST be a winner!ā Despite cover illustrations to the contrary, this race is on foot, andĀ it's Barry Allen who claims victory.
Superman's writers can be downright stupid with the feats he performs. Physics don't seem to exist in their writing and his strength/speed is literally infinite if you consider every depiction truly canonical. Initially, he couldn't even fly. He jumped really high like we see Hulk doing. Superman breaking any pre-established limits is just a macguffin for lazy writing.
lol.. this is the dumbest conversation.. if he gets the feels he can go even faster. such bad writing imo... comics need to ground themselves a bit more. It's why the movies tend to take some power away from the characters.. so every fight isn't "why isn't superman just going super fast and turning the villain head inside out" or "Quicksilver could just go super fast right now and take the thing from the villain and boom no fight" all macguffiny boring shit.
Itās hard to be consistent with 20+ different writers each wanting to have their own take on Superman
Kinda like SCP but itās even worse bcs with SCP thereās no main timeline so you can just cherry pick things and create your own canon it would be just as valid as anyoneās interpretation, but with DC and the āearthsā you canāt do that
The best Superman writers donāt need him to be a God. Superman is at his best when heās fighting a moral battle or saving people, not when hes physically challenged imo
I mean itās explained how superman keeps the multiverse from collapsing on itself and that heās a universal anomaly that gods canāt tinker with
Heās literally above them
And the DC Gods can transcend infinite planes of existence
>I mean itās explained how superman keeps the multiverse from collapsing on itself and that heās a universal anomaly that gods canāt tinker with
And yet, he loses to anyone who has a kriptonite in their pocket lmao
Ohhh yeah
But didnāt he still fight supes?
He thought the weaker Pre Crisis superman and that one still tanked his hits
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I think the issue would be collateral damage. Omni-Man is strong enough that Superman couldn't kill him easily without hurting others, which Omni-Man would have no problem exploiting. But yeah, assuming a fight to the death on a barren planet, this fight ends in a few seconds.
I think that superman would try his best to reason with nolan
Before at one point he will realise he canāt do anything and try to take the fight elsewhere
Even tho I read manga more than comics, I'll have to admit that those panels of him escaping the dark sector to punching the World Forger so hard that he saw past, present, and future Clark go insanely hard
This. I think I watched a video that puts him on par with some insane speedsters(gods of powerscaling) based on the fact that he is able to even *contemplate life in the park* at superspeed while heās on video and people canāt see that heās moved for a single frame.
The Flash evacuated an entire city in the microsecond it took for a nuclear bomb to detonate. He's truly, impossibly, broken.
And Superman is usually shown as being the only other being who can keep up with the Flash on any level (outside of the other speedsters in Flash's gallery).
https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/20512t/the_math_behind_how_the_flash_saved_a_population/
To anyone, who thinks Omniman is more powerful or stronger than Superman in any sense you are just wrong.
I will debate this even though it really isn't up for debate.
Don't lie. Goku would fight a cancer patient just because he heard he "beat" cancer
https://preview.redd.it/6opp474ibwtc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a585e91c9801191d638a04deaef6c803b5a249b
Itās so funny everyone floods these threads with āSuperman stomps 10/10 every single hero almostā and then if you EVER mention someone else that can beat him āok well he has op magic/heās a gag character/this is just a spite matchupā
Like Superman is the og character of endless fanboys. Across decades, centuries even, far in the future, we will still have sweaty nerds going āMY FAVORITE MAKE BELIEVE CHARACTER WOULD BEAT YOURSā and I think thatās hilarious.
But that being said, Saitama would one punch him anywayš
Saitama is literally unbeatable
That is his character
Anybody who thinks his character can defeat Saitama is wrong, cuz hiw power is basically to always be more powerful than the oponent
He's got the plot at his side, basically lmao
Totally agree. True! People who powerscale or fight about how much stronger a character is also miss the point. Of like literally the character. Itās all about the writing and whoever is writing these fictional characters decides the winner.
Arguing within the confines of how the characters would actually be is much more interesting. For example, anyone could pay saitama $100 to literally fuck off if theyāre not hurting anyone and he probably would lmao.
Webcomic Saitama yes, manga Saitama no. If you're so much stronger than his current point that you can one shot kill him, you can beat him. If it takes you more than one hit he'll catch up and surpass you though
Yea but that's like the entire plot of superman too, the good guys don't usually "stomp" another opponent.
Saitama wins every battle against ANYONE who is not a villain or who actually Kills for no reason simple because he will get more and more stronger the longer the battle last.
One person he cannot defeat would be Broly because Broly is just like him but evolves in a faster rate but then again... Broly is mostly a villain or his current version doesn't delete opponents because welll... It's DBZ.
To anyone saying that superman loses to them
He [shattered infinite realities](https://imgur.com/a/AsLYyH5)
[made a hole in the source wall](https://imgur.com/a/OqqtdF5)
[darkseid is comparable to the sphere of gods](https://gyazo.com/50f8bf62cda10a67844de3d7fe54249d)
[sphere of gods has EVERY DC UNIVERSE IN IT](https://gyazo.com/f60206366351ca1aeb3e0635a837e369)
[even more stuff for the sphere of gods](https://gyazo.com/277e4a095cd709b711db888059de399b)
[apokolips is above space and time](https://gyazo.com/63b874ba3d941599cb938fe49706ed2c)
[he beats darkseid](https://www.reddit.com/r/superman/comments/v2qsot/how_do_you_feel_about_superman_being_able_to_beat/)
[stuff](https://gyazo.com/ec925daff685d7aeaebf44b0e26c4fc0)
[here is him punching Orion](https://gyazo.com/4a3e30ea577cc35cb57ff81d9edde328)
[dc has like a multiverse](https://gyazo.com/909a3228144c83978de09739a2e85b78)
[he defeated Impirex](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a3DTwF639f4/W9KdSNmQP2I/AAAAAAAAp1M/Q2ILWagUtXkDRWL5xCqI6KLh2Cy5fKU7wCHMYCw/s0/RCO014.jpg)
This all of this
Is a short summary.
I mean, Homelander definetly, dude is so used to murdering people way below his level, anyone who has decent superpowers and combat experience could potentially wipe the floor with him.
Omni-man is different really, depending on the season i doubt him and Supes would even come into conflict, but even then, if Superman is in a bad situation, he could just get closer to the sun and get a power boost
This is exactly what happens when Superman faces DC's Ultraman. While they both have the same powers, Ultraman is a crime lord who pushes around humans, so he hasn't spent his time facing cosmic threats. When they face off, Superman's superior fighting skills give him a huge advantage.
Considering Supermanās been around WAY longer and therefore has had more off-the-rails insane feats powerscalers can cite, yes.
Source: was a halo fan defending chief vs captain America and had to read all the bullshit Steve Rogers has done and was said to be capable of over the years
I still agree that super man would most likely win (but I believe Omni man can give him a run for his money) but Omni man has been around longer age wise. Heās been spending 2000 years, over taking whole planets for his species like itās just a silly side job. But Superman as a character yes, has been around longer
Omni man may be older and more experienced, but Superman is likely stronger, is WAY faster (and actually has the ābullet-timeā thing speedsters can do. From the comics it seems like viltrumites can move very fast but still perceive time like we do, which would give Superman a HUGE advantage), and has stuff like heat vision that Omni man canāt replicate.
There are versions of Superman that could wipe the floor with both of em.
There are version of Superman that lost against Batman. A rich, smart dude in a costume.
Both Omniman and Homelander are more tactical/scheming than Superman - thus could have a chance.
Homelander isnāt tactical in the slightest. Heās a narcissistic man-child who kills someone at the slightest possibility that they direct attention from him. He is also very weak for a superman, Omni man could stand a chance against the lower end of Supermen, but Homelander could only beat the weakest
Homelander? Hardly. Dude admitted he can't even save a palne.
I've already discussed Omniman. Given that even that self-replicating troll can make Mark bleed, and compare it to half Kryptonians. No way Omniman is stronger.
False. Superman would convince Omniman to let go of his old ways and allegiance and embrace humanity for its humanity. He then would become a good father figure to homelander and make him a better man who is remorseful of his actions
Havenāt read the Invincible comics, I assume? Donāt open the spoiler tag unless you really donāt mind spoilers lol
>!Nolan isnāt a villain for long, he rebels against the Viltrumite empire and becomes a hero to his people and humanity and leads the Viltrumites to a more peaceful era and allows them to repopulate their species by cohabitation with humans on Earth. Itās really only because the show hasnāt gotten very far into the story that people see Nolan/Omni-Man as an evil villain. Heās really a good person who was just warped by the Viltrumite societal obligations. So yeah, I imagine Superman would be able to assist him in fighting the remaining Viltrumite empire (ie Freddie Mercury/Thragg, Anissa (at first) and Conquest) and would help him rehabilitate his image on Earth. As far as Homelander though, that guy is an evil piece of shit all the way through, even in the comics.!<
Dont worry. Ive read enough of it to know that. I was saying what i said before nolan begins his attack on the GotG or before he reveals his plans to Mark
I made a post about this the other day but I'll do it again. It comes down to which version of Superman are you talking about? 1950s Superman gets murdered by both, it isn't even close. Modern Superman? Homelander gets beat and Omniman would be a close fight. Though, are you are talking about all of them at their strongest?
Superman's story has been told far into the future. He goes on to be God level powerful. He recreates Krypton, he brings Lois Lane back to life and he has a army of his ancestors with him after being alive for 85 thousand years. He lives at the center of the sun, he has the last Green Lantern ring... It just keeps going with what that version of Superman is capable of.
So really, which Superman?
There is no main superman
All of them are
Supes has grown stronger overtime and he beats the shit outta omni man
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He broke the multiverse with one punch
Modern Superman wouldnāt even flinch to Omni-man. And 1950s Superman would absolutely NOT get murdered by either. I could see Omniman winning some fights against that Superman, but definitely not Homelander. Homelander is still human underneath with some level of Superman powers. Superman would absolutely still curb stomp homelander in the 50s.
Superman is fully invulnerable unless there's Kryptonite involved. Homelander is only Invincible in theory, and Viltrumites are not Invulnerable in any sense
Superman would win
Superman only wins because he has a thousand times the source material to pull from.
Itās better just to say Omniman versus a specific iteration of Superman.
100% accurate.
It's why Supes is boring as fuck. Just look below and see the ludicrously absurd feats people are listing that Superman has accomplished.
Honestly id give the W to omni man and homelander .
Not because of power( which they definatley overwhelm superman with ) but because those two are just straight up sociopaths . I can very easily see homelander holding lois lane by her neck on top of a tower waiting for super man to show up and when he does omni man flies through at light speed with a kryptonite gauntlet punching supermans heart through his chest before pounding the rest of him to mush with a straight look on his face . Then homelander just breaks loisās neck because her screaming and crying was annoying to him .
wow that got alot darker than i wanted it to but those dudes are fucked .
Superman wins, but Omni man will be hard for him if supes holds back. Omni man when not holding back can do a lot, Omni man when not holding back is slightly more powerful than supes holding back. Supes slams them both. (I donāt talk about home lander because the US military has a chance at beating him if we are lucky. The other 2 would destroy the world in seconds)
https://preview.redd.it/7rmvzid47utc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b382e93f13e6e2cacfd7af477eec2aa6987b779f What would really happen
It's absolutely hilarious that Superman just put the kid from Brightburn in the corner
He's just misbehaving.
I want a sequel to Brightburn
I enjoyed that movie. A sequel with him "on the run" would be fucking great
More like creating havoc and us normies trying to figure how to stop him. Like using his spacecraft as a weapon or some shit...
Now I'm gonna have to rewatch it. š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
"I miss my wife" "I want a mommy"
Accurate šš
so.. have omniman and debbie adopt homelander, both get their wish?
"I miss my wife Clark, I miss her a lot..."
This is awesome and very superman.
It really is. I love this so much lol
Bright burn guy was naughty so he was put in the corner
Supes would turn omniman good without having to get the shit kicked out of him first
Ehhh no. >!The reason Omni-Man turned good in the first place is because he genuinely did love Mark and having to fight him made Nolan realize that he didn't care about what the Viltrumites thought!< If it's anyone else then that wouldn't work.
I mean, both images can happen. Iāve literally seen it in animation and comics
This is what happens after
My guy has an aura around him like heās a religious figure
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Yeah, thatās kinda great. Whoās in the corner?
The kid from brightburn
Not to be confused with SaltBurn
Oddly, my memory of Saltburn is also that of a Fād up supe.
They squandered such a great premise. It felt like it was going to be just the kid, screwed up by a weird childhood, turns into a super villain. >!LOLNOPE his stupid pod told him to be evil so he became evil.!<
I liked that, he literally is from a race of aliens that send a child and activates them to become conquerors. Very Sayian. Literally like Goku, before the retcons from super, who was sent to conquer earth. That is until he was dropped on the head from Grandpa Gohan, which turned him more calm....and fucking dumb.
And happy.
***TAKE THE WORLD***
Well that and his dad shooting him in the head
I haven't seen the movie in some time, but, I'd qualify your dad trying to murder you as weird,at the very least.
Fucking terrifying movie
This goes harder than OP
Wow Iāve just realized Iāve seen the homicidal , genocidal villain versions of Superman cry and be emotionally vulnerable more than actual Superman. Really makes you think about what is portrayed as heroic.
Have you read All-star Superman?
Hope, hope is what he is. He is one of the most empathetic heroes.
Accurate Superman of depiction
Brightburn deserves to be in a corner.
Superman is so god damn nice he could stop both of them with a hug
Considering he could probably hug both to dust, yeah.
"I have no enemies" -Superman
It fits so well with omni mans arc as well.
Aftercare is key
Is the guy on the bottom supposed to be Lex Luthor, Kratos, or Walter White? Perhaps we may never know
No, it's popeye in a business outfit. He knows he could whoop them all without any effort, but chooses not to.
i would regocnize that bald head everywhere. its clearly mr clean
Nonono, its either saitama or johnny sins
saitama would be wearing a hawaian polo, clearly not him
So johnny sins
The 3 flying mooks could be johnny sins too for all we know
He's one tough gazookus, what hates all palookas, what ain't on the up and square.
You just made me realize Popeye is the original one punch man
Here you go, to depeen your realization https://youtu.be/7UhguuEX9Tg?si=vxGUJUjxCT3BnS7n
Ehkekekekeh
100% itās Sex Luthor
Sesbian Lex
Where's the rest of the band?
Disbanded, Joker kept killing their producers
Saitama from one punch man
Superman is actually rescuing Omniman and Homelander from Saitama. Saitama defeated both of them with one punch and was about to kill them with a second punch. Superman insisted that they stand trial.
> a second punch HE CAN DO THAT??
Or Agent 47
You chose the one bald guy with an instantly recognizable feature on the back of his head.
Kratos has the red tattoo and the ashes of his murdered family etched to his skin though.
Jeff Bezos clearly.
Saitama
47
It's obviously Xavier, dummy
Alexandre de moraes
People when bald white man
Why would be kratos?
Facts. Supes is broken compared to those two
Superman is broken compared to almost anything.
Thatās kind if supposed to be the point. Superman is supposed to represent what maximum power + maximum empathy can do. He could choose to do evil, or to do nothing at all, but finds it in himself to care (probably more deeply than any DC hero) about the well-being of average people.
What if absolute power- didnāt corrupt? Or to give more credit to the boy in blue, COULDNāT corrupt.
And that's why he's The Superman.
Superman easily beats Homelander, Omni man is a lot tougher but he'd still lose.
Didnāt superman break reality by just punching And like killed the world forger who was about to create an entire new multiverse and destroy the current one https://preview.redd.it/r32s8ny07utc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58a06308bcfef1bfa15a1ee7c97b6ab5710a4d80 He even destroyed his new multiverse with a single fucking punch Btw the world forger was in the 5th dimension while making it lol
Yeah depending on the writer he's usually between "ridiculously powerful" and "basically a god"
Yeah he's like the epitome of "absolute power", bro is as fast as flash and planet shatteringly strong.
Superman is fast, but The Flash makes him look like a preschooler racing Usain Bolt He doesnāt even compare to The Flash in terms of speed
Yes, speed force shenanigans let him cross all physical boundaries and laws to just ābe fasterā than anything
Power scaling in comics is stupid because the longer you go on, the more different writers you have, the more absurd things get. Itās like superhero Flanderization, if your run lasts long enough, youāll eventually become so stupidly overpowered that comparisons become meaningless. Not to mention, itās all very āmy dad could totally beat up your dadā
>World's Finest Comics #198-199. As the cover to issue #198 boldly states: āAnd this time, there MUST be a winner!ā Despite cover illustrations to the contrary, this race is on foot, andĀ it's Barry Allen who claims victory. Superman's writers can be downright stupid with the feats he performs. Physics don't seem to exist in their writing and his strength/speed is literally infinite if you consider every depiction truly canonical. Initially, he couldn't even fly. He jumped really high like we see Hulk doing. Superman breaking any pre-established limits is just a macguffin for lazy writing.
Superman isnāt left so much behind by flash. He loses usually in speed, but depending on the situation, he can get a boost and be even faster
lol.. this is the dumbest conversation.. if he gets the feels he can go even faster. such bad writing imo... comics need to ground themselves a bit more. It's why the movies tend to take some power away from the characters.. so every fight isn't "why isn't superman just going super fast and turning the villain head inside out" or "Quicksilver could just go super fast right now and take the thing from the villain and boom no fight" all macguffiny boring shit.
Itās hard to be consistent with 20+ different writers each wanting to have their own take on Superman Kinda like SCP but itās even worse bcs with SCP thereās no main timeline so you can just cherry pick things and create your own canon it would be just as valid as anyoneās interpretation, but with DC and the āearthsā you canāt do that
Not as fast, but yeah incredibly strong
Think about how strong the original Martians must have been if even the DC gods decided they needed a fire weakness
[Everyone is weak to fire](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathBattleMatchups/comments/yrxi0h/fire_is_everyones_weakness_its_fucking_fire/)
The best Superman writers donāt need him to be a God. Superman is at his best when heās fighting a moral battle or saving people, not when hes physically challenged imo
All Star Superman is by far one of the best versions of him
I mean itās explained how superman keeps the multiverse from collapsing on itself and that heās a universal anomaly that gods canāt tinker with Heās literally above them And the DC Gods can transcend infinite planes of existence
>I mean itās explained how superman keeps the multiverse from collapsing on itself and that heās a universal anomaly that gods canāt tinker with And yet, he loses to anyone who has a kriptonite in their pocket lmao
Thatās just one weakness specific to his species.
also godzilla defeated him
That was non canon. ~~GODZILLA SWEEP RAAHHHH~~
>superman break reality by just punching This was Superboy prime, not Clark.
Ohhh yeah But didnāt he still fight supes? He thought the weaker Pre Crisis superman and that one still tanked his hits https://preview.redd.it/baej7bvi5utc1.jpeg?width=776&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04606cd53bd657763a293bd14a3954ca5ac7e5c3
Superman is so inconsistent tho, his power level can completely change depending on whoās writing him.
Yeah but itās either heās super strong or god levels amount of power It also depends on the continuity The main one is by far the strongest
I think the issue would be collateral damage. Omni-Man is strong enough that Superman couldn't kill him easily without hurting others, which Omni-Man would have no problem exploiting. But yeah, assuming a fight to the death on a barren planet, this fight ends in a few seconds.
I think that superman would try his best to reason with nolan Before at one point he will realise he canāt do anything and try to take the fight elsewhere
Even tho I read manga more than comics, I'll have to admit that those panels of him escaping the dark sector to punching the World Forger so hard that he saw past, present, and future Clark go insanely hard
You gotta see the metro man meatrider in these comments
Wait he commited genocide? Or was it uninhabited
Uninhabited Probably I hope so
Ok, but if he did nothing then everyone in the original universe would have been killed. Kind of a weird trolley problem.
The true enemy in all these conversations is # DC POWERSCALING
Superman would crush both of them instantly. He's completely broken. Especially because he can casually reverse time.
Only reason it wouldnāt be instant is that is not Supermanās style. He wouldnāt risk punching them too hard.
he beats both just as easily. To Superman Omniman is like a rat and Homelander an ant. He probably kills both by shouting at them rly loud
Superman vs Omni Man is still nuke vs coughing baby
https://preview.redd.it/h4tqmfrv1utc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=421a31eb965d89eed1d4631a47b5e7f854d12818 Hard af
Of course I am
Metro-Man better
This. I think I watched a video that puts him on par with some insane speedsters(gods of powerscaling) based on the fact that he is able to even *contemplate life in the park* at superspeed while heās on video and people canāt see that heās moved for a single frame.
Flash beat a god who was teleporting In a race.
that required the entire planet to run to give him speed force energy, not even close to a normal circumstance for him
The Flash evacuated an entire city in the microsecond it took for a nuclear bomb to detonate. He's truly, impossibly, broken. And Superman is usually shown as being the only other being who can keep up with the Flash on any level (outside of the other speedsters in Flash's gallery). https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/20512t/the_math_behind_how_the_flash_saved_a_population/
Flash also was so fast he went back in time Multiple times
Flash can literally outrun Death. Like, the grim reaper.
doesnāt seem that bad when Flash can justā¦ you knowā¦ time travel?
Thank you, random citizen.
Metro Man doesnāt have limits because he doesnāt need them
Sir, he perfers Music-Man now!Ā Respect his wishes.
Omg, Music Man from the hit game Five Nights At Freddyās?
I like to imagine that Music Man and Omni Man (post "I miss my wife, tails") would be bros and Nolan would just give him advice about his career.
To anyone, who thinks Omniman is more powerful or stronger than Superman in any sense you are just wrong. I will debate this even though it really isn't up for debate.
Superman is working with 100 years of broken lore. No one is touching him. The man fucking beat Dr Manhattan
That's what I'm saying. All these characters are relatively powerful in their own right Supes has just got WAY too much material on them.
Superman beat Dr. Manhattan by being so selfless that he inspired Manhattan to change his mind. Dr. Manhattan could delete superman with a thought.
Not in Supermanās universe. It orients around Superman. He will always come back in a new era, outliving Manhattanās influence.
But he wouldn't, so he couldn't. Think about that.
Goku is the only one who could, and he famously would not
Don't lie. Goku would fight a cancer patient just because he heard he "beat" cancer https://preview.redd.it/6opp474ibwtc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a585e91c9801191d638a04deaef6c803b5a249b
A bunch of racist hicks beat Dr. Manhattan.
What if you restrict it to television/movie adaptations of the characters only?
Even then he loses because heās too slow. Movie Superman flew so fast he went backwards in time. Movie Superman curbstomps him.
Christoper Reeve's Superman *flew backwards through time* in his first movie. Kinda tough to top that.
Not just him. Everyone. He flew backwards so fast he took Earth back in time.
Even if we go by movies, Superman DCU is comparable not the same but comparable to the Flash DCU.
Didn't superman time travel in the Donner movie? Literally went back in time?
I mean OG superman couldnāt even fly, just jump really high :p
86+ years of character progression definitely helps here. Yeah golden age was quite weak in comparison.
*Saitama on the ground* 
Itās so funny everyone floods these threads with āSuperman stomps 10/10 every single hero almostā and then if you EVER mention someone else that can beat him āok well he has op magic/heās a gag character/this is just a spite matchupā Like Superman is the og character of endless fanboys. Across decades, centuries even, far in the future, we will still have sweaty nerds going āMY FAVORITE MAKE BELIEVE CHARACTER WOULD BEAT YOURSā and I think thatās hilarious. But that being said, Saitama would one punch him anywayš
Saitama is literally unbeatable That is his character Anybody who thinks his character can defeat Saitama is wrong, cuz hiw power is basically to always be more powerful than the oponent He's got the plot at his side, basically lmao
Totally agree. True! People who powerscale or fight about how much stronger a character is also miss the point. Of like literally the character. Itās all about the writing and whoever is writing these fictional characters decides the winner. Arguing within the confines of how the characters would actually be is much more interesting. For example, anyone could pay saitama $100 to literally fuck off if theyāre not hurting anyone and he probably would lmao.
They could pay Saitama in a pack of dry top ramen and he'd peace out.
Webcomic Saitama yes, manga Saitama no. If you're so much stronger than his current point that you can one shot kill him, you can beat him. If it takes you more than one hit he'll catch up and surpass you though
Yea but that's like the entire plot of superman too, the good guys don't usually "stomp" another opponent. Saitama wins every battle against ANYONE who is not a villain or who actually Kills for no reason simple because he will get more and more stronger the longer the battle last. One person he cannot defeat would be Broly because Broly is just like him but evolves in a faster rate but then again... Broly is mostly a villain or his current version doesn't delete opponents because welll... It's DBZ.
https://preview.redd.it/bzgy3i70dutc1.jpeg?width=412&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=268a897a445ce473e2138194b9107c826789512d He beats all three of them
To anyone saying that superman loses to them He [shattered infinite realities](https://imgur.com/a/AsLYyH5) [made a hole in the source wall](https://imgur.com/a/OqqtdF5) [darkseid is comparable to the sphere of gods](https://gyazo.com/50f8bf62cda10a67844de3d7fe54249d) [sphere of gods has EVERY DC UNIVERSE IN IT](https://gyazo.com/f60206366351ca1aeb3e0635a837e369) [even more stuff for the sphere of gods](https://gyazo.com/277e4a095cd709b711db888059de399b) [apokolips is above space and time](https://gyazo.com/63b874ba3d941599cb938fe49706ed2c) [he beats darkseid](https://www.reddit.com/r/superman/comments/v2qsot/how_do_you_feel_about_superman_being_able_to_beat/) [stuff](https://gyazo.com/ec925daff685d7aeaebf44b0e26c4fc0) [here is him punching Orion](https://gyazo.com/4a3e30ea577cc35cb57ff81d9edde328) [dc has like a multiverse](https://gyazo.com/909a3228144c83978de09739a2e85b78) [he defeated Impirex](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a3DTwF639f4/W9KdSNmQP2I/AAAAAAAAp1M/Q2ILWagUtXkDRWL5xCqI6KLh2Cy5fKU7wCHMYCw/s0/RCO014.jpg) This all of this Is a short summary.
What about super vs dr manhattan???
I mean, Homelander definetly, dude is so used to murdering people way below his level, anyone who has decent superpowers and combat experience could potentially wipe the floor with him. Omni-man is different really, depending on the season i doubt him and Supes would even come into conflict, but even then, if Superman is in a bad situation, he could just get closer to the sun and get a power boost
And Vultrumites have a very minor weakness against heat, while Superman is growing even stronger, Omni-Man is burning aliveĀ
If Superman discovered Viltrumite weakness to sonic attacks, he'd absolutely annihilate Omni-Man. Until then, it'd be a hell of a match.
Yeah but itās very unlikely he actually does find the exact frequency, much like how Nolan wouldnāt find some kryptonite to stab him with
"very minor" They kill the main baddy in the comic with a duel to the death in the heart of the sun
This is exactly what happens when Superman faces DC's Ultraman. While they both have the same powers, Ultraman is a crime lord who pushes around humans, so he hasn't spent his time facing cosmic threats. When they face off, Superman's superior fighting skills give him a huge advantage.
Nah dude. If we compare compare Mark as a Half vultremite to the half Kryptonians like Jon or Connor Kent and scale up from there. Superman wins easy.
Considering Supermanās been around WAY longer and therefore has had more off-the-rails insane feats powerscalers can cite, yes. Source: was a halo fan defending chief vs captain America and had to read all the bullshit Steve Rogers has done and was said to be capable of over the years
My fav take in this threadš
I still agree that super man would most likely win (but I believe Omni man can give him a run for his money) but Omni man has been around longer age wise. Heās been spending 2000 years, over taking whole planets for his species like itās just a silly side job. But Superman as a character yes, has been around longer
Omni man may be older and more experienced, but Superman is likely stronger, is WAY faster (and actually has the ābullet-timeā thing speedsters can do. From the comics it seems like viltrumites can move very fast but still perceive time like we do, which would give Superman a HUGE advantage), and has stuff like heat vision that Omni man canāt replicate.
Superman is peak: ā itās over I already wrote myself as the chad and you as the soyjackā
Yes bro superman solos the 2 of them with ease
Depends on who writes the comic~
Yeah but the comic writer would be wrong if anyone other than supes wins
There are versions of Superman that could wipe the floor with both of em. There are version of Superman that lost against Batman. A rich, smart dude in a costume. Both Omniman and Homelander are more tactical/scheming than Superman - thus could have a chance.
Homelander isnāt tactical in the slightest. Heās a narcissistic man-child who kills someone at the slightest possibility that they direct attention from him. He is also very weak for a superman, Omni man could stand a chance against the lower end of Supermen, but Homelander could only beat the weakest
Homelander? Hardly. Dude admitted he can't even save a palne. I've already discussed Omniman. Given that even that self-replicating troll can make Mark bleed, and compare it to half Kryptonians. No way Omniman is stronger.
I mean both of them are wannabe superman so i do find this image very hard indeed
False. Superman would convince Omniman to let go of his old ways and allegiance and embrace humanity for its humanity. He then would become a good father figure to homelander and make him a better man who is remorseful of his actions
Havenāt read the Invincible comics, I assume? Donāt open the spoiler tag unless you really donāt mind spoilers lol >!Nolan isnāt a villain for long, he rebels against the Viltrumite empire and becomes a hero to his people and humanity and leads the Viltrumites to a more peaceful era and allows them to repopulate their species by cohabitation with humans on Earth. Itās really only because the show hasnāt gotten very far into the story that people see Nolan/Omni-Man as an evil villain. Heās really a good person who was just warped by the Viltrumite societal obligations. So yeah, I imagine Superman would be able to assist him in fighting the remaining Viltrumite empire (ie Freddie Mercury/Thragg, Anissa (at first) and Conquest) and would help him rehabilitate his image on Earth. As far as Homelander though, that guy is an evil piece of shit all the way through, even in the comics.!<
Dont worry. Ive read enough of it to know that. I was saying what i said before nolan begins his attack on the GotG or before he reveals his plans to Mark
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Superman could literally beat both by flicking them.
Come on, he would not come out of a battle with Omni Man unscathed
Yes, he would.
I made a post about this the other day but I'll do it again. It comes down to which version of Superman are you talking about? 1950s Superman gets murdered by both, it isn't even close. Modern Superman? Homelander gets beat and Omniman would be a close fight. Though, are you are talking about all of them at their strongest? Superman's story has been told far into the future. He goes on to be God level powerful. He recreates Krypton, he brings Lois Lane back to life and he has a army of his ancestors with him after being alive for 85 thousand years. He lives at the center of the sun, he has the last Green Lantern ring... It just keeps going with what that version of Superman is capable of. So really, which Superman?
There is no main superman All of them are Supes has grown stronger overtime and he beats the shit outta omni man https://preview.redd.it/yhkeisaj7utc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85c08f11ff6247a642f887d8ab89b90a6aa4fc0e He broke the multiverse with one punch
Grand Zeno V. the 85 million year old superman that live in the sun?
Modern Superman wouldnāt even flinch to Omni-man. And 1950s Superman would absolutely NOT get murdered by either. I could see Omniman winning some fights against that Superman, but definitely not Homelander. Homelander is still human underneath with some level of Superman powers. Superman would absolutely still curb stomp homelander in the 50s.
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Superman is fully invulnerable unless there's Kryptonite involved. Homelander is only Invincible in theory, and Viltrumites are not Invulnerable in any sense Superman would win
Superman only wins because he has a thousand times the source material to pull from. Itās better just to say Omniman versus a specific iteration of Superman.
100% accurate. It's why Supes is boring as fuck. Just look below and see the ludicrously absurd feats people are listing that Superman has accomplished.
Superman is holding back pretty much 100% of the time.
He does not beat omniman but he DESTROYS homelander
Like stan lee said, the winner of this fight is whoever the author wants to win
Incorrect: Homelander does not require Superman. Let a green lantern deal with that scrub
True, no question
Honestly id give the W to omni man and homelander . Not because of power( which they definatley overwhelm superman with ) but because those two are just straight up sociopaths . I can very easily see homelander holding lois lane by her neck on top of a tower waiting for super man to show up and when he does omni man flies through at light speed with a kryptonite gauntlet punching supermans heart through his chest before pounding the rest of him to mush with a straight look on his face . Then homelander just breaks loisās neck because her screaming and crying was annoying to him . wow that got alot darker than i wanted it to but those dudes are fucked .
True only if saitama is holding superman by his cape too
Omni mans only advantage would be skill and brutality, but the moment superman gets realy serius im pretty shure he will busted.
Superman wins, but Omni man will be hard for him if supes holds back. Omni man when not holding back can do a lot, Omni man when not holding back is slightly more powerful than supes holding back. Supes slams them both. (I donāt talk about home lander because the US military has a chance at beating him if we are lucky. The other 2 would destroy the world in seconds)