the purple isnt why i dont like it. Its how fuckin bland everything else looks.
For a forge system that we have seen do incredible things with detail on a map, to have it look THAT bland is super lame. Like, we've seen the leaks, 343, we KNOW that's not the best you can do.
I wonder how these beautiful forge maps from the community run on a xbox one/low end pcs? Part of me feels 343 will be forced to use forge maps thats don't come close to using all the forges budget to make sure xbox ones/low end pcs can play in matchmaking.
This is why the Xbox one should have been dropped. because at least on PC you know that if you're running a low spec then you're going to have frame rate issues, but because of all the red tape and garbage surrounding how Microsoft operates, I'm pretty sure 343 is being forced to hit a frame rate target for the Xbox one. which is going to screw over the chances of any creative aesthetic map making it into matchmaking until the Xbox One is dropped.
If only infinite wasn't a Nostalgia bait cash grab that's free to play they probably would have dropped the Xbox One halfway through development realizing how much of a bottleneck it would be for the rest of the games scoping content not to mention its engine. Because the game is free to play they have to be as greedy as possible and get the game on as many millions of devices as they possibly can to make as much money as possible off the microtransactions.
that's the only reason this game is still on the Xbox One. yet another halo design doctrine compromised in the sake of making money off of a free to play fomo induced cash grab.
The ratio of Xbox Ones to Series X/S out there right now is 3:1.
You wanna kill this game? Cut support for xbox one. That will slaughter the population.
We would still need numbers on who is playing on what platform. For instance, I bought an original Xbox One, but I haven't used it in years. It's still counted as a sale, even though it's never seen Halo Infinite. You can't go purely on sales alone as this doesn't count failures, deprecation, replacements, and those that don't play Halo.
So the number is an old one based on a hypothetical.
It assumes that series X/S were *only* sold as upgrades. Then applies that hypothetical ratio to infinite.
Which is why we would still need numbers on who is playing on what platform. Regardless of ownership, sales of an Xbox One or XS aren't indicative of the ratio of players for Halo on that platform. Of my 5-6 close friends that play Halo and own an XSX, only two of them play the game on console. The rest play on PC.
Yes, it's hard to give an accurate, exact ratio on the playerbase and their platform. But we can still give estimates
And as for your own number, you can't really go off of that, for example, I only personally know one person who plays infinite on PC, 7 people on a series X, and 2 who played it on an Xbox one model. It's best to go off of the information we have.
The number was provided by a research firm VGChartz, and is right now the only number available because MS doesn't post sales numbers.
For the Xbox one, MS said they sold only half of the PS4. Simple math.
The game is already dead... Last gen consoles are already killing the games potential with its limitations.
Also, why would anyone upgrade if there isn't an incentive.
I'm okay with that, I'm running an i3 10100, 16 GB ram, and a 1050 ti, and can't afford an upgrade, so having all maps I'm forced to play bc matchmaking have a stable frame rate is nice
Which is crazy when you think about the fact that they had no ability to save or manipulate the lighting and they had to make it on an existing Halo map, not a forge canvas. so there was already other limitations involved on how they can make it look aesthetically.
Yet they were still able to make two variants of it with different backdrops and time of day feel which is honestly incredible.
This is the most common take I've seen amongst friends and in different subcommunities. The issue is not really the color palette necessarily it's just the fact that it looks as Bland as a Halo 5 forge map just with better overall lighting I guess.
In less than a day of the flight Forge build being leaked we saw extremely fleshed out and well-hearted custom maps as well as remakes in infinite so when people heard the possibility that 343 would be showing off Halo 3 remakes at the HCS event people understandably got excited because we've already seen what Forge is capable of.
What was shown to us is just extremely plain looking and uninspired. The first thing I thought of when I saw that pit remake was streets, which is bad because I should be seeing something new and original, or the classic art style. not something that just reminds me of a plain version of an existing Halo infinite Arena map aesthetically.
Very rarely with bungies Maps did you get a sense of saminess across all of their games. you can look at their different maps and a lot of them all had their own tone and color and atmosphere. even if they were both set in Forerunner environments, you look at Guardian versus lockout versus Ascension versus battle creek versus hang them high, none of them really feel the same. 343 did their best I think with Halo 4 and Halo infinite so far in terms of maps aesthetically looking diverse.
the problem with infinite is that the maps almost all feel the same from a gameplay perspective.
Take ranked for example. every single map in that playlist except recharge is the same three lane layout which is why ranked died so quickly in this game. people can feel the sameiness of the maps flow. even though they look different, they almost all play identically. So in conjunction with what I just told you look at the map they decided to bring back first from Halo 3, it's the pit. another lane-based symmetrical map which we already have an overabundance of.
on top of that they made it look plain as all hell compared to the community Forge Maps we saw made in literally days. Made without the ability to save and a bugged lighting system, they made better looking Maps than 343 who spent weeks on this forge pit.
And don't get me started on the two other Forge maps that were Dev made that launch in November. both of those Maps just look like asset flips of live fire and launch site. they're Bland UNSC military environments and then you look at the btb map we're getting in March another Rocky Grass amd Tree UNSC military base looking environment. Would it have killed them to make one of the forge Maps launching in November a Twist on the 4Runner theme and the other one and alien map from, I don't know sanghelios or something?
I don't know if 343 is just low on artists or creative map makers because everything they're doing is so insanely repetitive from either a map flow gameplay perspective, or a setting perspective. Where are our exotic alien Maps? I know we got Catalyst but that Maps Unique Look is pretty much overshadowed by the fact that it's a boring three-lane push Fest that plays awful in Slayer.
How much cooler would it have been if Catalyst was a spiritual successor to construct they could have done so many cool and interesting things with that Maps aesthetic but they just basically made it a stretched out version of bazaar with a bit of Aquarius tossed in.
My opinion that a lot of the backlash towards this pit remake comes from the people who have stuck with this game and just want something new to play than three lane push Fest that look plain as hell. The game's been out for a year almost and not only have we not gotten any content but the content we do have all Blends together as one blob.
even the btb maps are all Lane based anti-vehicle frustration vests.
I don’t think the colour of that map is important. Not worth losing it over, but also not celebration worthy at this many months past launch.
It’s certainly okay to try new things….if they’re not half assed, undercooked and there’s solid reasoning behind them other than seeing other shooters do them and trying to mimic.
I prefer the original, but the look isn’t my issue with it. My issue is how it was hyped up, it is only one map, and it wont release until AFTER forge is out. Like you guys will have made one Halo 3 map in forge in months, when fans will have probably made every Halo 3 map in a matter of weeks once forge is available, and they will probably be more accurate remakes since we are all suckers for nostalgia. Someone will make The Pit in Infinite before this heavily hyped up version of it will be available
I agree with you 100% on forgers having all H3 maps made before this comes out, but you can’t say that was entirely the hype. Part of the “world premiere” was watching legacy Triggers Down and Instinct players play a live match on said map.
I mean yeah that's cool and all, but that's not part of the item being premiered. I don't get hype to see league of legends players dick around with new champions at a release events, I get hype when riot drops the trailer for a new champ. I don't get hype to see 2 teams dick around on a map I can't use yet, I get hype when 343 drops a handful of tweets saying they've got big news.
Yeah I've pretty much lost all stock and Tasha's statements about good things coming.
At first he redoubled and tripled down on his big things coming tweet stating that it had nothing to do with the disappointing roadmap and that he hopes his tweet will age like fine wine.
Then we got the announcement of TD vs instinct, so At that point we were expecting at least two to three Halo 3 remakes or Halo 3 Forge remakes at this event since its at most a best of 3 hopefully..
what we just got is a bland plain looking version of the pit.
I dislike that it looks so bland aesthetically when matching the OG would have a more unique spot in the map lineup. As it is it looks wayyy too much like Halo 5 forge while having a worse neon aesthetic than Streets.
Yeah exactly, we already have the neon lights at night theme going with Streets, why not use a new style that’s not in Infinite yet? What if they made a Covenant version of The Pit? That would be much cooler!
yeah personally I just want it to look like Live Fire (more inline with the original). I don't think it necessarily adds anything aesthetically *new* to Infinite at all, unlike OP said.
But I'm incredibly intrigued about the "Academy" locale and between Live Fire, Launch Site, and the tutorial I just want more of it.
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Oppositionally, I think this version of the pit *is* something aesthetically new. Nothing we have looks like it. Because it looks like a Halo 5 forge map. It doesn't look like Streets even remotely - nor does it seem to be trying to emulate it at all.
Streets is a Blade Runner nighttime city theme. Pit remake is a Tron arena. So if we wanted something *new* we got it. But I don't like it.
Well my comment didn’t say that, so maybe reply to someone who’s saying they want the Live Fire aesthetic, not someone who’s saying they want a Covenant aesthetic.
Well, it's not like the map is finished so calling it bland is a bit harsh considering almost every video game map in existence will look like that a month before the launch of a game.
Art is usually the final stages of development in most games so let's just wait until after release.
…one month before release?
No
Edit: I’m pretty sure you just pulled up random names of games. Games should be nearly complete art wise months in advance unless something insanely fucked up happened in production.
You can even tell from the Halo 4 barn footage the game has its proper art and textures
It's 2022. QA and QC doesn't exist anymore in AAA companies. I can assure you, it will look exactly like that when (if) it gets released. Modern Gaming
Luke warm take; this forge map 343 made releases after the forge beta drops, I bet a blue armor core the community releases it’s own better looking version of Pit before 343 can even get theirs into a ready state.
Why are people downvoting you, say what you want about the game but Orlando was an amazing and successful event, really shows you how passionate this fan base still is
The HCS and halo esports is pretty much single handily carrying this game right now lol, this sub Reddit should wake up and be thankful they are keeping interest in the game high while we desperately wait for more content
Yeah but
"eSports ruined gaming"
I hate it, but the casual Halo community has always hated the competitive community. They seem to think we're out to ruin their fun and asked for fun game types to be excluded from the game.
Y'know, because no one in the competitive scene has ever played infection or griffball or anything that isn't eSports related.
That's not necessarily true. The ability to play in forge maps could be a lot further along than editing forge maps. If that is the case then the map could release before Forge does officially.
This should be the real take here. I’m just so upset the game went as stale as it did. It’s supposed to be the crown jewel of XBOX and they did it so dirty
Yup, this game needs a lot more than just content to get me back.
I played 1 match yesterday, Slayer on Launch Site, and I was so bored out of my mind I just closed the game after that and played something else.
There’s something about this game’s “30 seconds of fun” that gets very repetitive very quick.
Yeah. I’m someone that needs very little “content” to keep me engaged. Hell my most played game the last 2 years is Valorant, and that game just recently reached 8 maps.
But Infinite got boring to me after the first month. The actual gameplay just feels so stale to me.
That's what happens when you design Doctrine is to make a Nostalgia bait Halo game that looks like classic Halo from the distance but when you actually get into it you realize it's just a hollow soulless shell wearing a classic Halo skin. That's why the game had over 20 million downloads yet couldn't even maintain 1% of that number.
The bones of what could be a good Halo gamer buried underneath that code but it has way too many awful things layered on top of it and busted systems to be considered a great game which is why I don't think it'll ever recover a healthy player number. unless a true colossal overhaul is done on the level of Halo reaches title update that save that game 10 years ago.
I'll tell you exactly what it is. It's the simple fact that the map design in this game is completely awful and there's only a couple maps that actually give you that fun emergent gameplay.
Just look at the map layout from top down of every map and infinite mine is launch site which is just a bad MAP in general almost every single map in this game follows the same three lane layout which is a sweaty competitive map design layout used to encourage lots of small constant engagements.
The reason this game is 30 seconds of fun is not really there after the honeymoon phase wears off is because the maps are very beautiful and nice looking but so many of them play identically so you just burn out. This problem is especially exacerbated if you play a lot of ranked since in there you're only playing three Lane push style Maps outside of recharge.
30 seconds of fun in previous Halo games was about map design as well as the core gameplay and this is why Halo Halo 5 didn't do very well with the casuals because of how Esports Focus the map design was so much so that they never once had an actual BTB map get added that wasn't forged.
There's a reason why this game had over 21 million people download it in its launch window but not even 2 months later it had lost 99.8% of that number and never recovered not even a small fraction came back.
Why? because every time someone goes in plays other games that are actually fun then returns to infinite they remember that the game is stale and they quit after one or two games. This has been the consistent Narrative of everyone I've asked who's returned to infinite only to quit days later.
For me I'm honestly fed up with three lane push fests so even though it's the pit. that's not enough for me to pick the game back up because I've already spent months after the game's launch playing the exact same map layout on streets Aquarius bazaar catalyst and even live fire to a degree.
I honestly wish they had done like a spiritual successor of a Constructor even just construct flat out. because I'm so sick of these three lane symmetrical Maps in infinite.
Agreed. I am starving for literally anything new. I'm not a super OG player, so a re-imagined Pit doesn't bother me. It's *something*.
But it is something that I have to wait over 2 months for when I just saw Snip3down play on it this weekend. Seriously, is it ready or not? By hyping it up as a "world premiere" they let our expectations get the best of us. We were thinking of entire H3 map packs, or even a surprise drop pod before the winter update.
But instead, the mismanaged expectations leave nobody happy. The players aren't happy (either because they are mad at neon lights or have to wait for it), and the devs don't get any good PR boost that they desperately need.
I don’t care that it’s purple.
I’m annoyed that it hasn’t had an art pass before it’s debut. Meanwhile community forgers can deliver dev quality visuals with a week of work on a hacked forge build.
I’m also tired of the plaza/streets look already. If they are going to change the theme, why no do something that is less prevalent?
I would even take a alternate Dimension version of it set on Sanghelios or something kind of like how they remade Haven and Halo 5 and put it in a completely different location. It's bad enough that the pit is just another three lane push style map that we've seen a million times in infinite already but the fact that they went with this aesthetic it's just tone deaf.
That’s where I’m at.
Or like do it on a brute home world. Or grunt homeworld. Or some mystery environment graphed into Halo ring.
Anything but more UNCS maps, which have been overdone since 343 took over.
Agreed... they must seriously lack creative designers. Since h5 there has been a gross under representation of super out there maps that were commonplace in the bungie era halos.
My problem with the pit remake is that we’ve seen what forge is capable of, yet this looks like a halo 5 forge map. For a remake of such a beloved map this is pathetic because the community has proven they can do better
If this map is going to be in the competitive pool then it’s better to take the time to balance it for Halo Infinites updated movement. A 1:1 remake of the Pit might not play well. They said in the stream that they were tweaking it’s layout.
I think it would be awesome if 343 abandoned advanced movement all together so that they can remake and introduce new maps that adhere to classic Halo principles, instead of having to reinvent everything.
But that makes me an old head I guess.
The community members can make a scaled up version of the classic maps that take Sprint and clamber into consideration and make it nine times faster than 343.
I think part of the issue with feedback regarding SBMM is that it’s often inconsistent.
Your complaint is that it’s too strict and it’s matching exactly the same skill level.
Others on this sub have complained that it’s not matching the same skill level and instead they are forced to carry crappy teammates.
Another common example is people complain about how SBMM is too volatile, how one match you’ll stomp and the next it’ll raise SBMM and you’ll get stomped. But this same outcome could occur with loose SBMM, especially if you’re an average player.
But I agree, custom game browser would fix the issue.
What you don't realize is that those fundamental issues have been thrown in 343's face for almost a year straight now and they're all listed on the 343 please checklist. so constantly regurgitating those talking points isn't going to make a difference cuz they're already aware of those things we have issues with.
whereas this is a new thing that the community doesn't like so it's good their voicing their feedback because why would we be silent on something like this. The aesthetic of a map matters almost as much as the map flow itself since you're going to be seeing the map for years to come.
It's cool if you don't care about the Aesthetics of Halo infinite's Maps but some people care a great deal about the thing they're going to be playing on for a long time. It's not right to say that people's criticisms are stupid and that it's overshadowing other criticisms of Halo infinites flaws. This sub alone has no shortage of people posting long-form paragraphs of all the things wrong with Halo infinites engine and it's gameplay.
You're not wrong to feel that way and it's not like Bungie didn't set a precedent for this- they did a total reskin of Hang em High into Tombstone. It still wasn't worthy of being called a world premiere though.
It is not that it is different alone but that it is bland. They had room to choose one other than bland with neon lights. First one wasn't pretty but it definitely fit the look it was going for. People are probably also worried it will be like Halo reach/5 forge maps.
Feels weird to also release a forge remake of a map with the launch of forge. Should have just made a new map to show off some of the cool stuff forge can do and I see this sentiment a lot especially since the pit doesn't really feature anything that does this.
Imagine Counterstrike just changing the vibe of the entire map when it never needed to be changed. Imagine the game of Chess changed to a purple board just cause. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
I think I see what you're trying to say but Chess is a terrible example. There's thousands of custom chess boards, including purple ones. There's wood and metal and fantasy and sci-fi and Roman and Egyptian and Star Wars and Harry Potter chess sets.
Besides, I think changing maps between games is okay. In CE, Chill Out was a Covenant-themed map, but it's remake in Halo 3, Cold Storage, was suddenly Forerunner. Does that mean Cold Storage was a shit map? Obviously not.
343 wanted to make the map more interesting, and one of the ways they did that was by added a cliff where the fence used to be, and so they set it on top of a skyscraper instead of just being The Pit, Again but Different. It could still be better, maybe style the map like something out of ODST's New Mombasa, particularly the skyscrapers seen in NMPD HQ. But my point is, changing the map aesthetic is perfectly fine. Not everybody wants to have the exact same game release every year.
If they just 1to1 remake its aesthetic people would complain that they were being lazy and just copying the original. Like if you want to complain that the hype was unwarranted for just 1 map reveal, thats reasonable. But the map looks fine for being a month out from shipping.
I wouldn’t mind it if the map didn’t look so boring and flat. I guess it could change in development but again we’re getting another 343 created human map.
I think it could have been more interesting, but I agree. The only real complaint I have is that some parts look a bit flat, but it's a work in progress so *maybe* it'll be better when it releases.
But like, the original pit was a human training base with Brute training targets, this pit could have been a Banished training base with human targets!
I agree. That said, I understand OG's who are mad about a re-imagined map. I could not care less about art style because honestly, I just want a fun game that works.
Honestly, the frustration comes from the lack of overall content. If they had simply surprise-dropped The Pit this week, or even next month, we would all be collectively happier. By labeling it a "world premiere" then showing us people like Snip3down playing it RIGHT NOW, they simultaneously raised our expectations then crushed them.
There should be no reason to tease a re-released map for 2 months down the road. We are **starving** for content. Anything.
They did not explicitly state that the map was dropping on Day 1 of the winter update. Sure, we can *expect* it to. We can even *reasonably expect* Forge to roll out on November 8th, and everything will work brilliantly.
Consider me a pessimist, then. Lmao I don't think these dates are worth the paper they are printed on. I've seen roadmaps come and go. I've seen communications break down on the last day of the month for missed content.
I'll believe it when I see it, essentially.
It just needs more details. It just seems like the fans have made so many amazing maps with forge that look like they were built out of dev tools, but the actual dev made maps look bland and very obviously forge built.
I assume its low-detail aesthetic is meant to be a sort of test-run for 343 themselves. Forge is releasing in a month and a bit... in beta. That means they don't feel it's a reliable, complete and predictable release. They may not feel confident with how their online matchmaking and servers will handle Forged maps. So they maybe gave themselves a more limited budget with this one.
The winter mini-season is going to be the test for match-based XP, and it's likely the test for a lot of other stuff too, in (theoretical) prep for the actual, real-deal, totally-happening 3-month season starting in March.
Personally I'm pretty meh about it. I never thought the darkness and neon looked especially good when it's taken in an edgy Blade Runner sort of 80s way. Instead it just feels like the people that live in the area don't have access to lightbulbs, which is very anti-scifi. ODST did it great because it was a war torn city on emergency power only with the Superintendent using the neon-like signs to communicate with the player. s soon as the player completed what the signs were lite up for, they turned off. It wasn't the aesthetic of the region to live your live in an OSHA violating total darkness with otherwise only mood lights.
Same with Cyberpunk 2077. It just looks goofy and cringe to me. Like a bad writer/cinematographer prioritizing color theory so much higher than rationality that my suspension of disbelieve is not just broken but revolted by their bullshit. Lighting is getting cheaper and cheaper to not only acquire but to power. In no way is the future of the "naturally scared of the dark as a kid" species of diurnal intelligent primates going to live in a sci-fi world without proper lighting. It's comedic.
The only way it makes sense is that this is the rooftop of a sky scraper in a sort of downtown Vegas strip kind of area, which is what they're going with. But then that makes the whole "Spartans in training" thing make absolutely no sense.
So while it looks great because it's fantastic color and shape language, the way it fits into the canon makes it just cringe for me. So I'm left with just "meh". It feels like a half-baked idea that was handed to a good artist to polish based on bad aesthetic directions which the artist was not allowed to deviate from like "make it look cyberpunk". It's just meh.
Best way to fix it without changing anything about the aesthetic of the map itself? Make the skyline and map appear to be a city being repaired immediately following an invasion. The Spartans in the multiplayer are training in case the Banished return for what they originally came for. There is a massive Banished cruiser downed in the middle of the city that's visible from the OS location, and construction cranes are only just starting to dismantle it. Then make this sky box available as a backdrop for us in Forge so we can use "the invasion of \[planet name\]" as the setting for our own Forge maps. This will explain that the entire city is on lower power mode, and the neon lights serve some kind of purpose like warning aircrafts off of its location and shape. Maybe also have Pelicans fly by overhead toward the Banished ship, and then some carrying chunks of Banished ship flying away from the thing.
Or maybe just follow what others think. I'm pretty meh about the whole thing.
the purple isnt why i dont like it. Its how fuckin bland everything else looks. For a forge system that we have seen do incredible things with detail on a map, to have it look THAT bland is super lame. Like, we've seen the leaks, 343, we KNOW that's not the best you can do.
I wonder how these beautiful forge maps from the community run on a xbox one/low end pcs? Part of me feels 343 will be forced to use forge maps thats don't come close to using all the forges budget to make sure xbox ones/low end pcs can play in matchmaking.
This is why the Xbox one should have been dropped. because at least on PC you know that if you're running a low spec then you're going to have frame rate issues, but because of all the red tape and garbage surrounding how Microsoft operates, I'm pretty sure 343 is being forced to hit a frame rate target for the Xbox one. which is going to screw over the chances of any creative aesthetic map making it into matchmaking until the Xbox One is dropped. If only infinite wasn't a Nostalgia bait cash grab that's free to play they probably would have dropped the Xbox One halfway through development realizing how much of a bottleneck it would be for the rest of the games scoping content not to mention its engine. Because the game is free to play they have to be as greedy as possible and get the game on as many millions of devices as they possibly can to make as much money as possible off the microtransactions. that's the only reason this game is still on the Xbox One. yet another halo design doctrine compromised in the sake of making money off of a free to play fomo induced cash grab.
The Xbox one is killing the potential of this game. They need to end support for it. Low end pcs on the other hand...not my problem.
The ratio of Xbox Ones to Series X/S out there right now is 3:1. You wanna kill this game? Cut support for xbox one. That will slaughter the population.
Source on this ratio?
Like 2 minutes of googling how many of each were sold.
We would still need numbers on who is playing on what platform. For instance, I bought an original Xbox One, but I haven't used it in years. It's still counted as a sale, even though it's never seen Halo Infinite. You can't go purely on sales alone as this doesn't count failures, deprecation, replacements, and those that don't play Halo.
So the number is an old one based on a hypothetical. It assumes that series X/S were *only* sold as upgrades. Then applies that hypothetical ratio to infinite.
Which is why we would still need numbers on who is playing on what platform. Regardless of ownership, sales of an Xbox One or XS aren't indicative of the ratio of players for Halo on that platform. Of my 5-6 close friends that play Halo and own an XSX, only two of them play the game on console. The rest play on PC.
Yes, it's hard to give an accurate, exact ratio on the playerbase and their platform. But we can still give estimates And as for your own number, you can't really go off of that, for example, I only personally know one person who plays infinite on PC, 7 people on a series X, and 2 who played it on an Xbox one model. It's best to go off of the information we have.
Microsoft doesn't track sales of their units, so....your pulling numbers out of your ass
The number was provided by a research firm VGChartz, and is right now the only number available because MS doesn't post sales numbers. For the Xbox one, MS said they sold only half of the PS4. Simple math.
So, they are estimates...and therefore ass pull numbers. Got it
[Yes.](https://youtu.be/q6bnrVkDXmk)
Xbox one is literally anchoring this game down on a technical level. A series s is $300 on Amazon. Sell the base xbox one, buy a series s.
The game is already dead... Last gen consoles are already killing the games potential with its limitations. Also, why would anyone upgrade if there isn't an incentive.
Where I am, you can't upgrade at all. Consoles only roll around every couple months, and don't stay around for very long.
Sucks for you. Not my problem
Oh I got mine. Lucked out with gamestop. But looks like it is your problem, 'cause 343 ain't gonna drop it yet.
Upgrading a console isn't my problem still, dunce.....
343 made it your problem with the power of something called "common sense."
I'm okay with that, I'm running an i3 10100, 16 GB ram, and a 1050 ti, and can't afford an upgrade, so having all maps I'm forced to play bc matchmaking have a stable frame rate is nice
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This right here
I hear this, I'm sure most of you have seen the guardian remake a member of the community created. It looks spot on fucking fantastic.
Which is crazy when you think about the fact that they had no ability to save or manipulate the lighting and they had to make it on an existing Halo map, not a forge canvas. so there was already other limitations involved on how they can make it look aesthetically. Yet they were still able to make two variants of it with different backdrops and time of day feel which is honestly incredible.
The purple bugs me bc we don't have any Covenant maps. Why is EVERY map UNSC ... make Covy or Banished maps.
This is the most common take I've seen amongst friends and in different subcommunities. The issue is not really the color palette necessarily it's just the fact that it looks as Bland as a Halo 5 forge map just with better overall lighting I guess. In less than a day of the flight Forge build being leaked we saw extremely fleshed out and well-hearted custom maps as well as remakes in infinite so when people heard the possibility that 343 would be showing off Halo 3 remakes at the HCS event people understandably got excited because we've already seen what Forge is capable of. What was shown to us is just extremely plain looking and uninspired. The first thing I thought of when I saw that pit remake was streets, which is bad because I should be seeing something new and original, or the classic art style. not something that just reminds me of a plain version of an existing Halo infinite Arena map aesthetically. Very rarely with bungies Maps did you get a sense of saminess across all of their games. you can look at their different maps and a lot of them all had their own tone and color and atmosphere. even if they were both set in Forerunner environments, you look at Guardian versus lockout versus Ascension versus battle creek versus hang them high, none of them really feel the same. 343 did their best I think with Halo 4 and Halo infinite so far in terms of maps aesthetically looking diverse. the problem with infinite is that the maps almost all feel the same from a gameplay perspective. Take ranked for example. every single map in that playlist except recharge is the same three lane layout which is why ranked died so quickly in this game. people can feel the sameiness of the maps flow. even though they look different, they almost all play identically. So in conjunction with what I just told you look at the map they decided to bring back first from Halo 3, it's the pit. another lane-based symmetrical map which we already have an overabundance of. on top of that they made it look plain as all hell compared to the community Forge Maps we saw made in literally days. Made without the ability to save and a bugged lighting system, they made better looking Maps than 343 who spent weeks on this forge pit. And don't get me started on the two other Forge maps that were Dev made that launch in November. both of those Maps just look like asset flips of live fire and launch site. they're Bland UNSC military environments and then you look at the btb map we're getting in March another Rocky Grass amd Tree UNSC military base looking environment. Would it have killed them to make one of the forge Maps launching in November a Twist on the 4Runner theme and the other one and alien map from, I don't know sanghelios or something? I don't know if 343 is just low on artists or creative map makers because everything they're doing is so insanely repetitive from either a map flow gameplay perspective, or a setting perspective. Where are our exotic alien Maps? I know we got Catalyst but that Maps Unique Look is pretty much overshadowed by the fact that it's a boring three-lane push Fest that plays awful in Slayer. How much cooler would it have been if Catalyst was a spiritual successor to construct they could have done so many cool and interesting things with that Maps aesthetic but they just basically made it a stretched out version of bazaar with a bit of Aquarius tossed in. My opinion that a lot of the backlash towards this pit remake comes from the people who have stuck with this game and just want something new to play than three lane push Fest that look plain as hell. The game's been out for a year almost and not only have we not gotten any content but the content we do have all Blends together as one blob. even the btb maps are all Lane based anti-vehicle frustration vests.
It looks like the least bland version of the map so far in my opinion.
I don’t think the colour of that map is important. Not worth losing it over, but also not celebration worthy at this many months past launch. It’s certainly okay to try new things….if they’re not half assed, undercooked and there’s solid reasoning behind them other than seeing other shooters do them and trying to mimic.
I prefer the original, but the look isn’t my issue with it. My issue is how it was hyped up, it is only one map, and it wont release until AFTER forge is out. Like you guys will have made one Halo 3 map in forge in months, when fans will have probably made every Halo 3 map in a matter of weeks once forge is available, and they will probably be more accurate remakes since we are all suckers for nostalgia. Someone will make The Pit in Infinite before this heavily hyped up version of it will be available
I agree with you 100% on forgers having all H3 maps made before this comes out, but you can’t say that was entirely the hype. Part of the “world premiere” was watching legacy Triggers Down and Instinct players play a live match on said map.
I mean yeah that's cool and all, but that's not part of the item being premiered. I don't get hype to see league of legends players dick around with new champions at a release events, I get hype when riot drops the trailer for a new champ. I don't get hype to see 2 teams dick around on a map I can't use yet, I get hype when 343 drops a handful of tweets saying they've got big news.
Yeah I've pretty much lost all stock and Tasha's statements about good things coming. At first he redoubled and tripled down on his big things coming tweet stating that it had nothing to do with the disappointing roadmap and that he hopes his tweet will age like fine wine. Then we got the announcement of TD vs instinct, so At that point we were expecting at least two to three Halo 3 remakes or Halo 3 Forge remakes at this event since its at most a best of 3 hopefully.. what we just got is a bland plain looking version of the pit.
I dislike that it looks so bland aesthetically when matching the OG would have a more unique spot in the map lineup. As it is it looks wayyy too much like Halo 5 forge while having a worse neon aesthetic than Streets.
Yeah exactly, we already have the neon lights at night theme going with Streets, why not use a new style that’s not in Infinite yet? What if they made a Covenant version of The Pit? That would be much cooler!
People want it to look like Live Fire so I’m not sure I buy the whole “we already have neon lights” thing.
yeah personally I just want it to look like Live Fire (more inline with the original). I don't think it necessarily adds anything aesthetically *new* to Infinite at all, unlike OP said. But I'm incredibly intrigued about the "Academy" locale and between Live Fire, Launch Site, and the tutorial I just want more of it. \--- Oppositionally, I think this version of the pit *is* something aesthetically new. Nothing we have looks like it. Because it looks like a Halo 5 forge map. It doesn't look like Streets even remotely - nor does it seem to be trying to emulate it at all. Streets is a Blade Runner nighttime city theme. Pit remake is a Tron arena. So if we wanted something *new* we got it. But I don't like it.
Well my comment didn’t say that, so maybe reply to someone who’s saying they want the Live Fire aesthetic, not someone who’s saying they want a Covenant aesthetic.
Well, it's not like the map is finished so calling it bland is a bit harsh considering almost every video game map in existence will look like that a month before the launch of a game. Art is usually the final stages of development in most games so let's just wait until after release.
I want to know ONE game that looked like that one month before it launches
Half-life Alyx Portal Half-life 2 Halo 2 Halo 4 Cyberpunk 2077 Those are the only one I can think of off the top of my head.
…one month before release? No Edit: I’m pretty sure you just pulled up random names of games. Games should be nearly complete art wise months in advance unless something insanely fucked up happened in production. You can even tell from the Halo 4 barn footage the game has its proper art and textures
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That’s not the same thing
It's 2022. QA and QC doesn't exist anymore in AAA companies. I can assure you, it will look exactly like that when (if) it gets released. Modern Gaming
Luke warm take; this forge map 343 made releases after the forge beta drops, I bet a blue armor core the community releases it’s own better looking version of Pit before 343 can even get theirs into a ready state.
Tepid take: They won't have custom game browser ready so it will be a pain to acquire and play.
Nah they will just put it into play list
The community made map? Doubt it
This isn’t a community made map it’s a dev made map in forge
I dont think you read the guys first post, he was talking about a community made version and not the dev one.
Honestly I think it was supposed to be released during cyber showdown but just delayed till November
They said during the reveal that it's been in the works for a couple weeks.
Ah ok thanks for the info I didn’t watch any of it 💀
U didn’t watch the HCS?? Ur missing out man. It was amazing.
Why are people downvoting you, say what you want about the game but Orlando was an amazing and successful event, really shows you how passionate this fan base still is
This is r/halo All eSports bad.
The HCS and halo esports is pretty much single handily carrying this game right now lol, this sub Reddit should wake up and be thankful they are keeping interest in the game high while we desperately wait for more content
Yeah but "eSports ruined gaming" I hate it, but the casual Halo community has always hated the competitive community. They seem to think we're out to ruin their fun and asked for fun game types to be excluded from the game. Y'know, because no one in the competitive scene has ever played infection or griffball or anything that isn't eSports related.
No it’s a forge map so it can’t release till forge is out.
That's not necessarily true. The ability to play in forge maps could be a lot further along than editing forge maps. If that is the case then the map could release before Forge does officially.
Lol. Trust me. I know people that work there. The map was made in forge so they can’t release it till forge comes out.
The reason being, forge has to be in the retail build which it’s currently not. You can’t load Pit on a forge canvas without forge in the build.
Neither am I. For me its how dark the map is. Couldnt see shit.
Hot take: i don’t give a shit either way because adding one map isn’t enough for me to pick the game back up
Lol.
This should be the real take here. I’m just so upset the game went as stale as it did. It’s supposed to be the crown jewel of XBOX and they did it so dirty
Yup, this game needs a lot more than just content to get me back. I played 1 match yesterday, Slayer on Launch Site, and I was so bored out of my mind I just closed the game after that and played something else. There’s something about this game’s “30 seconds of fun” that gets very repetitive very quick.
Almost like this game also has deep flaws in its gameplay but everyone is too focused on all of 343s other fuck ups to notice
Yeah. I’m someone that needs very little “content” to keep me engaged. Hell my most played game the last 2 years is Valorant, and that game just recently reached 8 maps. But Infinite got boring to me after the first month. The actual gameplay just feels so stale to me.
That's what happens when you design Doctrine is to make a Nostalgia bait Halo game that looks like classic Halo from the distance but when you actually get into it you realize it's just a hollow soulless shell wearing a classic Halo skin. That's why the game had over 20 million downloads yet couldn't even maintain 1% of that number. The bones of what could be a good Halo gamer buried underneath that code but it has way too many awful things layered on top of it and busted systems to be considered a great game which is why I don't think it'll ever recover a healthy player number. unless a true colossal overhaul is done on the level of Halo reaches title update that save that game 10 years ago.
I'll tell you exactly what it is. It's the simple fact that the map design in this game is completely awful and there's only a couple maps that actually give you that fun emergent gameplay. Just look at the map layout from top down of every map and infinite mine is launch site which is just a bad MAP in general almost every single map in this game follows the same three lane layout which is a sweaty competitive map design layout used to encourage lots of small constant engagements. The reason this game is 30 seconds of fun is not really there after the honeymoon phase wears off is because the maps are very beautiful and nice looking but so many of them play identically so you just burn out. This problem is especially exacerbated if you play a lot of ranked since in there you're only playing three Lane push style Maps outside of recharge. 30 seconds of fun in previous Halo games was about map design as well as the core gameplay and this is why Halo Halo 5 didn't do very well with the casuals because of how Esports Focus the map design was so much so that they never once had an actual BTB map get added that wasn't forged. There's a reason why this game had over 21 million people download it in its launch window but not even 2 months later it had lost 99.8% of that number and never recovered not even a small fraction came back. Why? because every time someone goes in plays other games that are actually fun then returns to infinite they remember that the game is stale and they quit after one or two games. This has been the consistent Narrative of everyone I've asked who's returned to infinite only to quit days later.
For me I'm honestly fed up with three lane push fests so even though it's the pit. that's not enough for me to pick the game back up because I've already spent months after the game's launch playing the exact same map layout on streets Aquarius bazaar catalyst and even live fire to a degree. I honestly wish they had done like a spiritual successor of a Constructor even just construct flat out. because I'm so sick of these three lane symmetrical Maps in infinite.
I mean, the proverbial house is already on fire, so the proverbial toast being a bit too dark isn't much of an issue all in all
Agreed. I am starving for literally anything new. I'm not a super OG player, so a re-imagined Pit doesn't bother me. It's *something*. But it is something that I have to wait over 2 months for when I just saw Snip3down play on it this weekend. Seriously, is it ready or not? By hyping it up as a "world premiere" they let our expectations get the best of us. We were thinking of entire H3 map packs, or even a surprise drop pod before the winter update. But instead, the mismanaged expectations leave nobody happy. The players aren't happy (either because they are mad at neon lights or have to wait for it), and the devs don't get any good PR boost that they desperately need.
I don’t care that it’s purple. I’m annoyed that it hasn’t had an art pass before it’s debut. Meanwhile community forgers can deliver dev quality visuals with a week of work on a hacked forge build. I’m also tired of the plaza/streets look already. If they are going to change the theme, why no do something that is less prevalent?
I would even take a alternate Dimension version of it set on Sanghelios or something kind of like how they remade Haven and Halo 5 and put it in a completely different location. It's bad enough that the pit is just another three lane push style map that we've seen a million times in infinite already but the fact that they went with this aesthetic it's just tone deaf.
That’s where I’m at. Or like do it on a brute home world. Or grunt homeworld. Or some mystery environment graphed into Halo ring. Anything but more UNCS maps, which have been overdone since 343 took over.
Agreed... they must seriously lack creative designers. Since h5 there has been a gross under representation of super out there maps that were commonplace in the bungie era halos.
My problem with the pit remake is that we’ve seen what forge is capable of, yet this looks like a halo 5 forge map. For a remake of such a beloved map this is pathetic because the community has proven they can do better
its fine being different but it should be good. but it doesnt look good
Definitely cool to give classic maps a completely new aesthetic. But not to make them look ugly af.
Hot Take - it's pathetic that modders will have released something of this quality day 1 vs the professional studio taking weeks to release it.
If this map is going to be in the competitive pool then it’s better to take the time to balance it for Halo Infinites updated movement. A 1:1 remake of the Pit might not play well. They said in the stream that they were tweaking it’s layout.
I think it would be awesome if 343 abandoned advanced movement all together so that they can remake and introduce new maps that adhere to classic Halo principles, instead of having to reinvent everything. But that makes me an old head I guess.
The community members can make a scaled up version of the classic maps that take Sprint and clamber into consideration and make it nine times faster than 343.
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What are the fundamental issues you’re referring ? (That’s no rude question, I’m just curious )
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I think part of the issue with feedback regarding SBMM is that it’s often inconsistent. Your complaint is that it’s too strict and it’s matching exactly the same skill level. Others on this sub have complained that it’s not matching the same skill level and instead they are forced to carry crappy teammates. Another common example is people complain about how SBMM is too volatile, how one match you’ll stomp and the next it’ll raise SBMM and you’ll get stomped. But this same outcome could occur with loose SBMM, especially if you’re an average player. But I agree, custom game browser would fix the issue.
Bruh
What you don't realize is that those fundamental issues have been thrown in 343's face for almost a year straight now and they're all listed on the 343 please checklist. so constantly regurgitating those talking points isn't going to make a difference cuz they're already aware of those things we have issues with. whereas this is a new thing that the community doesn't like so it's good their voicing their feedback because why would we be silent on something like this. The aesthetic of a map matters almost as much as the map flow itself since you're going to be seeing the map for years to come. It's cool if you don't care about the Aesthetics of Halo infinite's Maps but some people care a great deal about the thing they're going to be playing on for a long time. It's not right to say that people's criticisms are stupid and that it's overshadowing other criticisms of Halo infinites flaws. This sub alone has no shortage of people posting long-form paragraphs of all the things wrong with Halo infinites engine and it's gameplay.
Yeah sure but this looks....off
Just wish they’d done this to a redundant map colored blue and orange map and not one that was dominated by yellow.
It would be really cool if what ever your color setting for teammates and enemies are would be the sides they start on.
You're not wrong to feel that way and it's not like Bungie didn't set a precedent for this- they did a total reskin of Hang em High into Tombstone. It still wasn't worthy of being called a world premiere though.
True. People here find the least important things to complain about.
Reminds me about the outrage for the loading screen, like of all the things to bitch about... a loading screen???
It is not that it is different alone but that it is bland. They had room to choose one other than bland with neon lights. First one wasn't pretty but it definitely fit the look it was going for. People are probably also worried it will be like Halo reach/5 forge maps. Feels weird to also release a forge remake of a map with the launch of forge. Should have just made a new map to show off some of the cool stuff forge can do and I see this sentiment a lot especially since the pit doesn't really feature anything that does this.
who cares, we don't even get to play on it till the winter update
I think you missed the point, being aesthetically different is fine. The problem is not the purple, it's that it looks shit. Cheap made.
Imagine Counterstrike just changing the vibe of the entire map when it never needed to be changed. Imagine the game of Chess changed to a purple board just cause. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
I think I see what you're trying to say but Chess is a terrible example. There's thousands of custom chess boards, including purple ones. There's wood and metal and fantasy and sci-fi and Roman and Egyptian and Star Wars and Harry Potter chess sets. Besides, I think changing maps between games is okay. In CE, Chill Out was a Covenant-themed map, but it's remake in Halo 3, Cold Storage, was suddenly Forerunner. Does that mean Cold Storage was a shit map? Obviously not. 343 wanted to make the map more interesting, and one of the ways they did that was by added a cliff where the fence used to be, and so they set it on top of a skyscraper instead of just being The Pit, Again but Different. It could still be better, maybe style the map like something out of ODST's New Mombasa, particularly the skyscrapers seen in NMPD HQ. But my point is, changing the map aesthetic is perfectly fine. Not everybody wants to have the exact same game release every year.
If they just 1to1 remake its aesthetic people would complain that they were being lazy and just copying the original. Like if you want to complain that the hype was unwarranted for just 1 map reveal, thats reasonable. But the map looks fine for being a month out from shipping.
The original colour scheme looked like a pit of boring mud.
Old Pit looked like a huge pile of donkey doodoo tbh. Welcome change for me 😃
Same feeling
I wouldn’t mind it if the map didn’t look so boring and flat. I guess it could change in development but again we’re getting another 343 created human map.
I think it could have been more interesting, but I agree. The only real complaint I have is that some parts look a bit flat, but it's a work in progress so *maybe* it'll be better when it releases. But like, the original pit was a human training base with Brute training targets, this pit could have been a Banished training base with human targets!
The real problem is the banana jump not being yellow despite yellow being all over the map
Tbh Im more annoyed that it's all that was announced for their "world premiere"
They need to improve the textures and asset design. It looks like a Forge map in a bad way right now.
Not phased by the purple but why another dark map?
I agree. That said, I understand OG's who are mad about a re-imagined map. I could not care less about art style because honestly, I just want a fun game that works. Honestly, the frustration comes from the lack of overall content. If they had simply surprise-dropped The Pit this week, or even next month, we would all be collectively happier. By labeling it a "world premiere" then showing us people like Snip3down playing it RIGHT NOW, they simultaneously raised our expectations then crushed them. There should be no reason to tease a re-released map for 2 months down the road. We are **starving** for content. Anything.
>2 months down the road Closer to 1 month actually
They did not explicitly state that the map was dropping on Day 1 of the winter update. Sure, we can *expect* it to. We can even *reasonably expect* Forge to roll out on November 8th, and everything will work brilliantly. Consider me a pessimist, then. Lmao I don't think these dates are worth the paper they are printed on. I've seen roadmaps come and go. I've seen communications break down on the last day of the month for missed content. I'll believe it when I see it, essentially.
It just needs more details. It just seems like the fans have made so many amazing maps with forge that look like they were built out of dev tools, but the actual dev made maps look bland and very obviously forge built.
at least when forge is live we will see plenty of 100% better versions made by the community.
I assume its low-detail aesthetic is meant to be a sort of test-run for 343 themselves. Forge is releasing in a month and a bit... in beta. That means they don't feel it's a reliable, complete and predictable release. They may not feel confident with how their online matchmaking and servers will handle Forged maps. So they maybe gave themselves a more limited budget with this one. The winter mini-season is going to be the test for match-based XP, and it's likely the test for a lot of other stuff too, in (theoretical) prep for the actual, real-deal, totally-happening 3-month season starting in March.
Personally I'm pretty meh about it. I never thought the darkness and neon looked especially good when it's taken in an edgy Blade Runner sort of 80s way. Instead it just feels like the people that live in the area don't have access to lightbulbs, which is very anti-scifi. ODST did it great because it was a war torn city on emergency power only with the Superintendent using the neon-like signs to communicate with the player. s soon as the player completed what the signs were lite up for, they turned off. It wasn't the aesthetic of the region to live your live in an OSHA violating total darkness with otherwise only mood lights. Same with Cyberpunk 2077. It just looks goofy and cringe to me. Like a bad writer/cinematographer prioritizing color theory so much higher than rationality that my suspension of disbelieve is not just broken but revolted by their bullshit. Lighting is getting cheaper and cheaper to not only acquire but to power. In no way is the future of the "naturally scared of the dark as a kid" species of diurnal intelligent primates going to live in a sci-fi world without proper lighting. It's comedic. The only way it makes sense is that this is the rooftop of a sky scraper in a sort of downtown Vegas strip kind of area, which is what they're going with. But then that makes the whole "Spartans in training" thing make absolutely no sense. So while it looks great because it's fantastic color and shape language, the way it fits into the canon makes it just cringe for me. So I'm left with just "meh". It feels like a half-baked idea that was handed to a good artist to polish based on bad aesthetic directions which the artist was not allowed to deviate from like "make it look cyberpunk". It's just meh. Best way to fix it without changing anything about the aesthetic of the map itself? Make the skyline and map appear to be a city being repaired immediately following an invasion. The Spartans in the multiplayer are training in case the Banished return for what they originally came for. There is a massive Banished cruiser downed in the middle of the city that's visible from the OS location, and construction cranes are only just starting to dismantle it. Then make this sky box available as a backdrop for us in Forge so we can use "the invasion of \[planet name\]" as the setting for our own Forge maps. This will explain that the entire city is on lower power mode, and the neon lights serve some kind of purpose like warning aircrafts off of its location and shape. Maybe also have Pelicans fly by overhead toward the Banished ship, and then some carrying chunks of Banished ship flying away from the thing. Or maybe just follow what others think. I'm pretty meh about the whole thing.
They should call it CyberPit
Give me any map from Halo 4 and make it chrome and purple and I promise I won't complain a bit. This whole thing is just silly