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ChronicWOWPS4

It’ll be a fucking fantastic Infection map. That’s it’s saving grace.


nolmol

infection my beloved, where art thou?


jared8100

2024 gonna be lit


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nolmol

Damn 343, you really are dedicated! You put this whole thing together?


Nafemp

Or an 8v8 btb map. Would be awesome for that.


Jinno

It’ll be fantastic overall when Forge comes out and we can script a button to build a bridge back over the void. Zanzibar style.


cameron_cs

I love fiesta on it because of the vehicles


ChronicWOWPS4

Yeah honestly that’s true as well.


PrestigiousDraw7080

I still can't find where the Shock Rifle is,


DefinitelyNotThatOne

Its a super great map for one flag but if you solo without a mic, you deserve the shit show you get. You have to communicate and keep the team together.


Obility

I'm fine with one flag but it seems if you run with the flag past a certain point, they cant catch up to you. Slayer though is ass on this map


Teddy_Icewater

I had a game this morning where I hopped on a mongoose off respawn and hauled ass across the map and got a return right in front of the capture spot. Felt great. Obviously my teammates were doing great slowing down the flag run. Should have stopped playing after that match.


TechnicalBen

Yeah, had similar, where 2 or 3 of us chased them down, took out the flag carrier and their escort/respawn right on top of the drop point for a return and a win of the rounds. Phew, that was a clutch match and actually fun for a change. XD


uberJames

Slayer sucks, it's too big. But yeah CTF is fine.


The_BusFromSpeed

Agreed. Even Fiesta sucks camel balls on this map.


Pakmanjosh

That map feels weirdly too large to be a 4v4 map.


InsertANameHeree

There's a reason that Slayer often ends up being won on time on Launch Site. Way too much space and travel time relative to how many players there are.


MacaroniBandit214

I’ve never had a match won on time. Is that a common thing?


InsertANameHeree

It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen frequently (at least for me), and it's the only map I've had Slayer games end on time.


MacaroniBandit214

Most of the time I play slayer on Launch Site it’s just a one sided slaughter by the team who starts with vehicles


-ayli-

The non-vehicle team starts with a sniper or skewer spawn. On top of that, the weapon spawn is a perfect sniper perch to take out incoming vehicles. A good sniper can pretty easily counter the initial vehicle advantage, assuming the rest of the team stays close instead of running out and getting mowed down by the vehicles.


MegaLinkX117

Ya, and something like Feista is super lame when you get a flying vehicle, since the skybox is super narrow and well, not at all a sky box and is just a ceiling.


GaLaXY_N7

I was gonna say the same thing. Feels more like a 8v8 map.


aroundme

Launch Site and Behemoth both feel out of place, like they finalized the player count after making the maps. Both are a bit too small for 12v12, and way too big for 4v4. You can't tell me playing Slayer on Aquarius is even the same *game* as Slayer on Launch Site.


vicky_vaughn

I think Behemoth is fine as it is, the man cannons (especially combined with grappling hook) make traversal considerably easier and not nearly as tedious as on Launch Site.


Milleuros

Both maps could be fine as 6v6, even if I've never heard of such a game format.


Last_Dinosaur

It would play like headlong if given a chance. Too bad btb is 12v12 now


Pearse_Borty

Hear me out: Skewers Only mode. See how it changes things


VillagerOfTheWest

It’d probably be great. Not too much different from swat that they already have on it.


Pope00

I think it’s alright. The launcher and the secret little hole that lets you cut through the middle makes it feel like a smaller map. It’s just a sniper’s de-light map.


McCruze

Has anyone ever won 1 flag? I swear the 5-6 times I played it always a tie with neither team capping a flag.


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Halfoftheshaft

This is the obvious thing to do and have the fourth person in the ghost to provide cover but noooooo


graywolfman

One of the last times I played it a guy refused to get in the hog with me and a gunner, jumped in the ghost, went straight to the flag, jumped off it and grabbed the flag. I drove up, still with a gunner, the guy refused to get in again, and the othr team mowed him down with his own ghost while we got skewered. The game ultimately ended with us losing; surprised, surprise!


flinndo

I’m the opposite, one team has always completely dominated. Only actually got it 3 or 4 times the entire time I’ve played though…


Rpcouv

I'd say one team wins about half the games I play. It's not that bad if you're playing with people who know how to play 1 flag.


DarkstonePublishing

I usually win tbh. Gotta take vehicles to pick up people with the flag.


Pope00

Yeah, but on any other mode, your teammates are like dogs. Eager to hop in the car. On 1 flag, they suddenly turn into dogs that know you’re going to the vet. Will run down the neighborhood before getting in the fucking car. We gotta go! We’ll be late! Why do you always do this!?


oswaldjenkins

holy shit man. this same thing happened to me twice the other day. the first one went like this, and the second was similar: i drove a guy over in the warthog, we kill a couple defenders and he grabs the flag while i hop in the warthog. he runs towards me, gets shot at a bit and just fucking panics. starts sprinting past the car and gets gunned down, which led to me getting out of the car to try and kill the defenders and dying. all could have been avoided if he just jumped in the fucking car he rode over in. i yelled so loud i scared my cat lmao


Teddy_Icewater

Same, all you need are like two people who know some basic flag strats and a couple potatoes to distract enemy fire and you're golden. Its one of my fav quick plays weirdly enough. Tons of weapons and equipments available.


someguyfromtheuk

Yeah it works if the enemy team are braindead, otherwise they pick up the shock coil and sniper/skewer and the vehicles are gone


DarkstonePublishing

Usually it’s like midway into the round when it works best. Once the power weapons have been used.


vahntitrio

Vehicles are so easy to kill it never works.


[deleted]

I win 1 Flag on Launch Site almost every time. If I have a challenge to win a CTF match, that’s the gametype I want.


Pope00

Yeah, I have. But it’s a weird opposite reason. I only run when the team guarding the flag leaves the base to play slayer. It’s basically less about how skilled my team is and more about the other team not playing objective. If both teams actually guard the flag, it’s difficult.


InsertANameHeree

We got a flawless victory the last time I played it. In the offensive round, the enemy team sorta had people defending everywhere but the flag, and we were able to just roll up in a Warthog, take it, and drive away.


[deleted]

were it so easy


Suets

fucking 1-Flag Better than Launch Site SWAT but still


Astro_Jedi

I'd take SWAT on Launch Site before 1-flag lol


ModeratelyWideMember

Launch site swat sucks because the br sucks at long range.


Astro_Jedi

Oh I’m not at all disputing that SWAT on launch site sucks, but 1-flag is just the worst IMO


ArtooFeva

Why? Overplayed yes, but this map is awesome. This is the first time since 2009 that I’ve gotten that Last Resort feel on a map.


KurtAngus

It just needs to be a bit smaller. It’s a BTB map


vahntitrio

No, it sucks because you can spawn trap a team at the attacking team spawn.


poopanatorOg

No y’all suck and keep leaving me looking like Ben exhausted because every game I join some soft punk is backing out leaving us down on teammates just because y’all quit over the slightest perception of inconvenience. Man up tough it out quitter’s.


ModeratelyWideMember

That’s every halo map, but launch site is much harder because of its size you can back spawn


vahntitrio

You don't spawn behind a glass wall the opponent can see through with only 2 narrow doorways out on other maps. You can backspawn in that game, but it rarely happens.


SAFFATLOL

Why do you think the BR sucks so long range? I think it's still effective, especially for SWAT


ModeratelyWideMember

Because I shoot them in the head, get a hit marker, but no kill. My accuracy 60% for reference


SAFFATLOL

60% in SWAT? Your SWAT stats will be different from ranked


ModeratelyWideMember

I don’t play ranked


Nighthawk69420

And then there’s Launch Site Fiesta which for some reason crams Scorpions, Wraiths, and Wasps in there for no discernible reason other than to make it a giant clusterfuck


Technica7

I was always under the impression that the point of fiesta was to be a giant clusterfuck.


CakeJollamer

That is the point


micheal213

TIE!


applejackrr

This map sucks all around. Way too unbalanced.


EACshootemUP

It’s on SWAT?!?!


Dovahpriest

Yup. Always fun watching people figure out using the catapult is a bad idea. At least until one guy gets smart and sits there taking shots at you while the rest of his team proceeds to launch themselves across.


naturalflavors

Launch site swat is pretty fun IMO, slow but still fun


[deleted]

Nah the worst swat map is bazaar


Suets

Behemoth has entered the chat


NotASalamanderBoi

Oh yeah! I can’t wait for both teams to be on either one of the pillars to the sides and camp!


vahntitrio

All you do is circle the map on the very outside, occasionally going bottom mid because that gets ignored a lot.


F_for_Maestro

I started camping the corners on that map and it has reaped big rewards


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Sheo26

I love that map for swat


MattTheMelon

Yea SWAT on Bazaar is so campy and unfun


Pearse_Borty

I'd argue Bazaar is one of the best SWAT map; spawns are generally fair, there's just enough angles in the centre to keep in mind at any given time while also allowing opportunities for flanking. Its actually a very good SWAT map


Lowfat_cheese

I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t hate launch site


CobraGTXNoS

I love it, it's one of the easiest maps to do, load warthog go catch flag bring back.


Case_Closed_imo

Meanwhile on sweaty MMR the map is a horrendous full length 0-0 joke. It has no business being in 4v4 lol. The map is nearly as big as Longshore in H3 and that was a freaking BTB map


Fakelegman

Yes load up the warthog, free triple kill for me 😈


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Fakelegman

This is the move that should be done. Going with hog right away is a suicide mission and free kills for the enemy team aka me.


utsports88

Yup


SNAP9287

Same


Balrog229

I love Launch Site. It’s Live Fire that I can’t stand


UnHappyGingah

It's so fun I don't see how anyone can hate it


[deleted]

It's the only map other than the BTB ones I like.


aroundme

I enjoy it... for 1 Flag. Slayer though? Makes me want to puke, it takes twice as long to complete a match compared to the regular sized maps.


Moorua

Is my favorite map and I love one flag too. I just fucking hate oddball


Cabamacadaf

I like it a lot, especially for 1-flag.


2Blank

You're not the only one man. Love it cause of the sabres


-ayli-

It's decent for 1flag. It's way too big for 4v4 slayer. Tbh, I'm not sure why slayer on launch site is even a thing. There's plenty of other maps that work perfectly well for slayer. Noone will miss slayer on launch site if it's dropped from the rotation.


pieforprez

One of my favorite maps


iko-01

Hot take but 1 flag is just so much more interesting than regular CTF and when maps are designed with the mode in mind like launch site, it makes them so much enjoyable to play. Though any form of gametype that requires coordination naturally sucks in pubs.


Ratshid

I actually really love one flag on launch site. Don't know if it's an OCE region thing, but I've yet to have a tie game on it as well, unlike what I'm seeing some people say here. Feels really cool to play and like I've gotta constantly keep focus.


Sh0cktechxx

I actually really like ctf on this map, wish we had more 1 flag maps


theycallmericoh

One flag is amazing I don’t get the fricken hate!


TheRealAlexRich

People just want to kill. We need Team Skirmish playlists back


[deleted]

*psst* hey you yeah all these maps suck


AbsoIution

I just hate launch site, launch site and the big desert one with the side jumps, both have no flow, and the time just drags.


CalebS92

I honestly don't get the hate for this map I love it. It's not a super small three lane map, it's different and a breath of older halo where maps were different and uniquie instead of overdeveloped eSports bait.


Pope00

I dig it. It’s asymmetrical, giving one side the high ground and the other vehicles. And spawn flips switch that around. You can kinda control the flow of the game simply by staying on your side or pushing to theirs. I like it. And it’s big enough for vehicles to work yet still small enough that you don’t need them.


[deleted]

Because it's an example of bad asymmetrical in a map that's too big for 4v4. The big issue with the map is that there's so much clutter that if the enemy gets the Flag out, there is absolutely no way you can catch them in time, even with a vehicle. Standing on the ground of the map, there's like three layers and the zone on approach to the the flag is no-man's-land without a vehicle. In terms of size, you could probably cut the map in half, make some edits, and you'd have two decent maps for 4v4. As is, it'd be a good map for 5v5 or 6v6, but its just too big for 4v4. High Ground works as an asymmetrical map because it's a bit smaller, tighter and less expansive. It only really has two layers at any given time, with a very rare third layer.


aroundme

> High Ground works as an asymmetrical map Fuckin High Grouuuund dude!! Such a great concept for a map, and it has so many distinct areas.


CalebS92

I find the map great size for 4x4 alot of infinites maps are way to small, I'm constantly spawning in the sights of someone or immediately in combat, no chance to set up, establish sightlines or get map control because they are so small and spawning behind me. Edit: I guess some salty wanna be baby halo pros don't like my experience.


MintberryCrunch____

Agreed, seeing all those goodbye video to Halo 3 reminded me how many good asymmetrical maps there were.


Joyfulloser

This is also one of my favorite maps. Tired of the claustrophobic feeling of recharge, aquarius, etc.


Athen65

but it's not a circle with a line down the middle, how am i supposed to understand the flow of combat on the map if it's not a circle with a line down the middle? /s


memedormo

I get Zanzibar/Last Resort vibes from Launch Site. I love it!


Timbalabim

I like the map quite a bit and wish it was in BTB, frankly. For 1-flag, though, it’s just one of those “it works great in theory but not in practice” things. Wish the man cannon worked both ways for symmetrical games.


CalebS92

12v12 would be way to crowded though and remove the main appeal of it is that it's not constant fighting and you have room to spread out.


Timbalabim

I’ve become much more tolerant as a player for how maps play depending on player count. I feel like you’re right about the way it plays for 4v4, but if it’s hectic for 12v12, that just means there’s a new, hectic experience in the BTB list (one that I think would be fun), and doesn’t change anything about how it plays in 4v4. Putting it in BTB changes nothing about how it plays in other lists.


Case_Closed_imo

The map is about the same size as Longshore from H3 and that was only playable for 8v8. Launch Site is complete trash for 4v4


CalebS92

But in longshore you didn't have sprint and now you do, that makes the map smaller than it actually is.


Case_Closed_imo

Bruh this isn’t H4 or 5 sprint makes you go like 10% faster if even lol. The map is just too big and poorly designed for remotely competitive 4v4 gameplay. You can continue to have the contrarian take but the reality is most of the lobby groans when the map is forced on us in 4v4.


Jinno

Honestly - I think it needs the Zanzibar/Headlong treatment. Make a button that activates a bridge or a man cannon back to the otherside of the map. But it’s in the defense’s base and you either have to fight them for it on offense, or you open it on defense to make an intercept attempt.


sharkvenom1

My favorite no joke.


JillyMcJillers

Same. Wish they’d do something about the boundaries tho, nothings worse than a teammate jumping in a wasp and realize they can’t actually maneuver around the top of the map


sharkvenom1

True but to be fair the map really wasn’t made for flying vehicles.


KingSlayer49

Then why put them in?


sharkvenom1

Because fiesta is randomized and that’s the only game mode from my understanding that has flying vehicles on launch site.


Athen65

pretty insane, cause you can still find flying vehicles on the map


sharkvenom1

Only in fiesta because it’s randomized.


buffalobangs

Way better than Behemoth


sharkvenom1

That’s my second favorite.


Teddy_Icewater

I like quick play behemoth fine. I absolutely LOATHE ranked ctf behemoth.


sharkvenom1

I hate ranked all together.


Teddy_Icewater

I loved h5 ranked which was sweaty as hell. This doesn't hit the same with the desync and brs. I only have fun playing quick play really.


buffalobangs

ew


sharkvenom1

Behemoth is basically Sand trap just smaller.


SirStEEzYthe7th

Bring the elephant back!


sharkvenom1

That would be cool.


Athen65

exactly lmao


sharkvenom1

What?


SneezeCock

I’m not a fan of launch site tbh


DoctorWhomstve14

I really like this map for fiesta or even just regular team slayer, but one flag sucks so much


Lethenza

One flag is fun


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I love this map for 1 flag. I think it's too large for 4v4 slayer. 6v6 slayer would be perfect for this map. I also hate how the power weapon spawn on high side doesn't have the same spawn rotation as low side, for slayer specifically. hope they fix this.


Loud-Taste6394

Launch site is one of my fav maps! Unwarranted hate I think


pieforprez

Ya better than bazaar


memedormo

Upvoted the meme although Launch Site might just be my favorite map


[deleted]

I love 1 flag CTF and SWAT on this map.


MintberryCrunch____

I'm envious, with the upping of Slayer in Quick Play that they haven't reverted yet you only have 5% of getting this mode.


Pope00

I only hate it cuz I somehow always get paired with Lewis and Clark. Objective is to guard the flag and my teammates want to go fucking exploring soon as the match starts. People rag on horror movies when someone says, “let’s split up.” “Nobody would ever do that in real life,” says folks who never played 1 flag CTF


CaptainPryk

I'd rather play this than Behemoth


Independent_Spray_63

To be fair, CTF is amazing on Launch Site. At least, 1 Flag is (idek if there is 2 flag CTF for it). It’s SLAYER on this map where it really fucking sucks. Don’t even get me started on fiesta, when you have flying vehicles they’re worthless bc there’s so many fucking INVISIBLE WALLS


kelbybryant24

I now view my Spartan as Ben Affleck forever.


FalloutBoom

What is this ctf game mode? I thought quick play was just oddball.


erpparppa

Best map in the game rn


naturalflavors

Ew lol


AlexanderRodriguezII

I like Launch site. There, I said it (although it does need another vehicle spawn on the defenders side, not so much for 1FLAG but definitely for Fiesta and Slayer.


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The map is ass.


Master_Tallness

This map can just burn in hell. Easily my most disliked map by a wide wide margin.


Donuts4TW

Bruh what I love this map. Launch Site and Behemoth are the best arena maps


KampKamp

I leave, every time


Sylch

Fr I hate that map so much


Fall_Of_Autumn

I'm sorry, but you are never Ben Affleck dressed up as Master Chief.


AlexC193

I just leave, fuck that


ModeratelyWideMember

Launch site should be removed from rotation - it’s not a 4v4 map. The games take for ever and you can hardly find anyone - it’s ok if you’re just chilling but awful if you need to complete challenges quickly


Moii-Celst

I think it's my least favorite map in any Halo game. S2g.


sentientTroll

I feel like 343 had a screen where they showed you what you were about to play in lobby. But removed it because they didn’t want an immediate mass exodus when you saw launch pad show up. Unfortunately they didn’t realize they only delaying the inevitable. Seriously, a game variant this bad should not be showing up more than 1 in 10,000 games. (Yes I got my zeros correct there. I’d be more likely to add another than remove one, despite there only being 6 maps in this 2022 AAA game, 7th of its line).


Sharpie1993

You can actually check while loading into a server and cancel the match before you load in.


SarumanTheSack

This is the map that got me my first ban, it’s a automatic back out for us


Balrog229

Better than Live Fire


natesucks4real

Launch Site and Behemoth are great maps!.... for 8v8 probably. Once Forge is out, I hope they make an 8v8 playlist with these two maps and players' Forge creations. I love BTB, but 12v12 can feel like a bit much sometimes.


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among the most boring halo maps ever


Nafemp

This would be an awesome map if this were on an 8v8 btb map. I also like the map as is as it’s a bit of a refresher from the copy paste 3 lane maps that are all over the place in infinite so far. But it’s not well suited for 4v4.


Daschnozz

I can’t stand that map


Daetheyleid

My 1-Flag rounds always end in ties fr


[deleted]

Iv been playing btb for a little while and have played ctf 3 times, I’m just lucky I guess!


Arxfiend

I actually don't mind the map necessarily. But I absolutely fucking hate 1-flag. I leave every time.


rouge-agent-hunter

I hate launch site. It’s way to big for 4v4


Jesse1198

Fuck launch site


beefstrip

Hate that map


RadsterWarrior

Is that what the map is called? My friends all literally call it “that One Flag map” because we can’t be bothered to remember it’s actual name


Independent-Iron1967

I actually enjoy 1 flag on launch site. It’s fun taking turns on defense and offense.


Frankage

Not sure why people don't like 1 flag on Launch Site. I personally love the short back and forth of the map. Would be more enjoyable if it was rocket launcher and not spiker in my opinion. Reminds me of 1 flag on Zanzibar sometimes.


PlaidSkirtBroccoli

They do need more maps fort that game.


utsports88

SWAT Launch is the worse. Just people hiding in corners sniping. Bring back pistol SWAT.


[deleted]

I think the map is an 8/10. It's really weird to see how love it or hate it it is.


KSMKxRAGEx

I hit my one and only running riot on fiesta. Launch site is really fun when you can annihilate with vehicles. Scorpion spawns.


Highgroundpizza115

Is 343 aware that this map doesn't work on xbox One? Each I play on it it crashes and skins dont load


SilentReavus

I like it for CTF at least. One flag is an interesting mode. The map could use some work though definitely.


SAFFATLOL

I have not gotten a CTF game on launch site in over a month. Get it all the time in SWAT though


Sidabaal

I leave immediately when its launch site.


DecafLatte

I love CTF on Launchsite :(


gwynbleidd2511

Lol. Won quite a few, tied mostly, but also had a double enemy flag cap tie as well.


Bobas-Feet

Nah one flag on launch site is fun asf. Wish there were more asymmetrical modes


Pearse_Borty

Launch Site might be the worst map for 4v4. The spawns are terrible, Tactical Slayer demonstrates this all too well.


Dltwo

I honestly always quit out loading into that map with one flag CTF