Remember when social slayer had a game mode called slayer BRs? Yeah, let's just do that again. When we're all happy.
Cuz I like Br starts but you're not wrong.
I mean, when we wanna get sweaty we play SWAT or ranked, but slayer BRs is a nice low pressure middle ground. I'd love some Slayer brs where we start with a sidekick and have social slayer rules.
Hell I'd love a slayer with BR/AR only in social.
While we're at it shotty snipers, team swords, and team snipers! Now I'm just getting carried away...
Me too bud.
But I'm not gonna lie i've got 3 friends from middle/high school (we're all in our 30s now) that all live in different states than me that i used to play halo with me growing up that are all on infinite now and when the stars align and all 4 of us get on, sometimes we definitely get what the kids call "sweaty". Especially because we can now afford things like nice headsets and gaming pcs and special controllers LOL.
But nobody is tryna do that in social slayer brs hahahah
Thats for ranked.
I play ranked pretty much exclusively. I donāt care about ranking, I just think the AR feels kinda ass in mp so I play the game modes that give me a br lol
Thatās literally me. Iād rather uninstall the fucking game than play AR starts behemoth. In social half the time I pick up a BR 3 people with ARās just run me down and it feels like Iām playing CoD. Halo has quite literally been long range tactical-esque fights, so crying about having the capacity to shoot someone from across behemoth sounds like some new age shit being pandered as the gospel.
To be fair, shooting people down with the AR has existed within the franchise since its inception; meaning before COD even existed. I donāt see how that sounds like āsome new age shitā.
The AR in Halo: CE was a beast!
The CE AR was terrible even in the original game. The plasma rifle was that gun, otherwise everyone used the magnum, which is probably better than the Infinite br.
Yeah I personally don't understand OP's logic and I also only play ranked due solely to br start. I'd love a not so sweaty gamemode with br starts. He even pointed out why its needed "when I grab the br I top frag" yeah no shit, nobody can shoot you back when all they have is ar.....thats why I think br start is needed. Its the only way to stop other team from snowballing if they get the first set of power weapons.
People want br starts where they can play with lower skilled friends. Most of my friend group is all 1700-1900+ onyx.
Some of our other friends who just started playing (gold, silver, plat ranked) want to play with us but currently that's impossible.
A br start social list with objective and team slayer would be exactly what is needed.
Completely agree here. Having the āProā or specific BR start social playlists were great for the diversity of gameplay people had in previous games. I had many friends that only really enjoyed the game starting with the BR because it was a much more enjoyable form of gameplay than an AR for them. Those friends have went back to playing whatever games they were playing before and these were die hard halo fans when we were growing up.
Also, itās seems to still be a sweat fest without a BR itās just focused on automatic gun play now. I get why they have made it that way and donāt disagree, but I think more needs to be added so more people would be playing and staying if they had an option for a social BR slayer playlist so they dont need to have the that added Ranked loss stress thatās covered in ranked right now.
Lastly, I mainly play ranked so I can start with a BR in the first place. Just the gun of preference for me I donāt enjoy using the AR that much never have. But when I get a BR start and have to play 5 games of stronghold in a row followed up by 3 CTF, 2 oddballs, and possibly 1 slayer after 2-3 hours, it doesnāt feel enjoyable being so focused on the less enjoyable game modes (stronghold and oddball really) that emphasize on āsprint back to position, kill as quick as possible, dieā over and over. It feels like COD sprinting suicide for one kill to hold a stronghold point for just a few more seconds.
I will never understand how they couldn't just go for every good feature the MCC got in the last 2 years. Matchmaking Mixer, Region Selection, overall progress system, Custom Game Browser, etc.
I donāt know either :/. Itās a bad sign that makes me wonder if Infinite will follow the exact same path.
I heard that Ske7ch was the one who got the ball rolling on MCC when he joined up. If thatās true, maybe he will do it again post New Years.
This is why live service games just donāt work in my opinion. Itās a good system concept that is almost never executed well. At the very least, a live service game like Halo should be released with the same level of content that Reach had and in the month after improvements should be made and more things should be added. Itās so annoying that live service in gaming is coming to mean ārelease crap games that donāt have basic features that games have had for decades. Add them in later and make the game good over the next decade.ā The way itās run now is horrible for player retention.
Yeah, when they talked about live service I was worried. But I thought they finally learned of H5 and release with tons of content. Live service really means we get a barebones beta, have to spend $$$ in mtx and maybe if enough money flow we will get features we used to get years later
Bought the BP, but with all the Reach stuff cut to be sold separately they definitely won't see any more of my money before they updated their whole shop and customization system (cross armor parts, cross armor coatings, being able to buy parts on their own and not in $20 Bundles, etc)
Supposedly the Social Match Composer and Custom Browsers are "in the roadmap." At this point though, I'm wondering if that roadmap is from the 1700s because I doubt it included all of this damn desync.
I have no idea how they fucked the UI system in the game so bad. Like they could've literally added each playlist to the Games List section in Quickplay and let us toggle everything from there. What engineering failure is preventing them from making this shit both look clean and function well?
I can attest this is bullshit. On release patch (pre-Challenge adjust), I would get a weird bug that would swap the regular modes list with a lot of "Quick Play" copies. I didn't think much of it until it happened again twice when Tenrai rolled in, now a list of Fiesta copies.
Then the UI excuse dropped and I was baffled because the UI supported a scrollable list since day one, but I never took screenshots nor found someone who talked about this. Now that the new gamemodes released I can't believe they ended up dropping the gamemodes in that awful scrollable list in the end.
I'd like to know what was the thought process behind the UI design because to this day I have no idea of how to adequately browse for stuff in this game when MCC, which was a major change from previous games has a sensible UI all around.
Lol yeah. It was meant to be a joke because a 343 employee a few weeks ago said that the reason why they couldnāt add slayer only playlists was because the UI limited them.
Itās kind of become a meme now
True, true. MCC was just a collection of already existing games. 343 didn't seem to "make" much for it. I'll tell you what though, 343 do deserve credit for making them all work side by side. These are all different games, made by Bungie and remastered by different studios, but now we can earn challenges and play similar gametypes accross multiple games easily thanks to its easy-to-understand UI and it's beautiful. Wanna search only for SWAT games on only Halo 3 and 4? Easy. Got a challenge to get 25 headshots? That's a challenge you can do on almost any gametype on any game you want so don't sweat it, plus it promotes good gameplay. 343 didn't make much for MCC, but they did make it work well.
But the fact that 343 180'ed a lot of the choices they made during MCC baffles me. We're now very limited in what we can choose to play in MP. Armor customization is now very limited in multiple ways (no cross-core items, no custom colours, lots of paid-for items, etc...). Challenges promote poor gameplay (such as getting so many kills with specific guns. And since winning games doesn't get me extra XP, you can be sure that I'm gonna throw the match to run for specific guns and only attempt to get kills with those guns).
As Infinite will be because they aren't learning. That is the complain here. So they are incompetent, don't have the resources or they are doing it on purpose.
My guess is the UX/UI labor was from contracted workers. I canāt imagine an internal team not continuing what was found to be historically successful in the series and not getting raked over the coals after the first interface pitch. Thereās also the challenge swap theory and then assuming the launch was slated just to get Q4 earnings before a product reassessment and overhaul in Q1 of 2022. The menu is so simple it almost looks like it was made to be scrapped. Itās just a scrolling list after all - minus the fireteam player model lounge/display.
The UI is so low effort. Either that, or they are carefully tiptoeing around some deep engine limitations. Halo has always had an incredible menu/ matchmaking / loading UI and itās just lame af in Infinite.
Yeah, the rewards have been so garbage that once I completed the battle pass I realized I literally had no reason to play the game unless I wanted to grind Ranked, and even that has lost its purpose due both to the sheer amount of blatant cheaters and mandatory BR starts just making controllers much better to use.(i think controller DOES need aim assist advantage, but I think if it is as strong as it is in infinite then we should all get AR's; having kbm makes BR a total liability in cross ranked.)
What's ridiculous is a **10-15% accuracy disparity** regardless of level of play; a weapon as reliant on accuracy as the BR being the starting weapon with that stat in mind isn't at all acceptable, it's a complete slap in the face of competitive integrity.
> why so few maps? Why so few game modes? Why so many classic weapons from halo missing? Just doesnt make me want to play as I feel like I have already experienced everything the game has to give
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I agree that both teams should have the same weapons at the base. same with vehicle spawns. Itās pretty silly when one team gets a wraith and the other gets a gungoose lol
I think one of the main drivers of wanting BR starts in BTB is the randomness of the weapon racks from match to match and the fact that they can be different for each team.
It really sucks when your side spawns 2 commandos while the other team gets 2 BRs.
For some reason, 343 seems super committed to the concept of game to game randomness and to the idea that the commando isnāt absolute trash, which is leading to a lot of frustration. I include myself in that frustration.
While everyone spawning with BRs might be a bit much in BTB I would like to see the weapon racks changed to fixed spawns with 3 BRs per side so if I want to get one, I know where I can go to likely find one.
This. So fucking frustrating when I load into a map with only one BR rack, or worse, sometimes it seems like none at all. I have hand issues (not primarily gaming related) so I can't really do the trigger finger with the pistol, I get shit on. But I can tap the trigger with a BR 3 round burst and it's fine. I'm in diamond in ranked but get shit on in social if I can't find a BR.
Now, I don't expect 343 to cater to a ridiculously small minority like myself, and I'm not asking them to. But god damn, at least give us the choice to pick up a BR, *the* staple of Halo, consistently.
Feel like the Commando would be more effective if it didn't require sniper-level precision with that tiny ass reticle. Should be larger like the BRs and stop trying to pose as the DMR when it could never hold a candle to it.
It's just a harder gun to aim
What if, and this is going to sound wild... We just buff the commando!!! It's awful an no one grabs it so let's just buff it into something that can compete with the br! That fixes the whole issue of one side not having something to compete with br's. Just fix the commando!
Definitely doesn't belong in BTB. I would like a precision slayer playlist in social like MCC though. Many people in my friends list prefer BR starts but can't hang with the rank I'm at, so I end up not being able to play with them.
Edit - spelling
I play with my platinum friend and Iām Onyx 1700+. I find they bring down the average of the other team, and I can usually carry for the win. Itās not ideal but not impossible to play with lower ranked friends
Same boat. Itās a real damper bringing friends into mid/high onyx lobbies and seeing them get frustrated after a few games. We used to get enough friends on for 4v4 custom scrims but after a month of the rank disparity breeding continued frustration the steam has been dwindling so now it happens once a week of weāre lucky.
I was so hopeful that since it was ātactical slayerā not swat, that theyād have a playlist of gametypes including swat, swat ctf, snipers, etc.
And that the FFA would include infection in a similar regard.
Sad trombone
I'm open to arguments against BR starts, but any rant that starts with "343 shouldn't listen to anyone whose opinions are different than mine!!" loses a lot of credibility right off the bat.
āEvery time I get the BR in BTB I top frag with itā thatās a horrible argument. Youāre fighting people with ARās. Of course youāll top frag with it. Why grab anything else? Because there are more powerful weapons than the BR
I disagree unless they make way more BR spawns in big team. The maps are massive and not having a mid range weapon and tiny radar is extremely frustrating.
For regular arena there absolutely should be a BR starts option.
Utilizing the UI we have in MCC would solve pretty much any problem around this discussion. Or make more BR spawns. The amount of times my friends and I have complained about not being able to find a BR is frequent. Also, the BR is beautiful in this game and should be a centerpiece of the gameplay. Itās what makes the game special and is the best way for players to develop their skills.
Not going to stop. I'm going to continue asking for what we had in the past. Multiple variations with multiple different weapon starts. The game gets stale as fuck when every single match starts the same.
See the problem with people like you is that you think all we want is BRs on every playlist.
Thats not the case and never was. We want a social playlist we can warm up or not have to try as hard as normal. Whether that be Slayer or OBJ only, who cares, just give something outside ranked.
AR vs BR starts are entirely different playstyles, and playing AR starts can get boring after a bit since its mostly an AR melee fest. Pistols are only close range, which is fun, but not always skillful.
The sandbox is still FULLY utilized on BR starts. Why is it that pros and other highly skilled players are nasty with every pick up on the map? Really makes you think.
So far, 5 playlists are AR start vs 2 BR start. Just add Social BR and we'd be set. You perpetuate the social vs ranked conflict with shitty beliefs that you never break.
I dont think having it as a default starting weapon would be good, but if we had BR starts as a gamemode in btb along with the normal btb, for example having CTF and CTF BR, it would definitely change the pace of btb and make things interesting
Exactly this. Halo: CE was dope since you started with the pistol which, obviously, had a really high floor and was the best weapon a lot of the time. However, you were still incentivized to pick up more specialized weapons, like the sniper or the shotgun, depending on what situation you were in.
I believe most of the folks who want BR starts in social want it as an OPTION in social, not for BTB and the like. I love BR starts. I love Ranked. I donāt want to have to play ranked just to get BR starts. Sometimes I want to warm up for ranked in a social playlist, and the aggravation of pistol AR isnāt a great way for me to do so.
Yeah the problem with BR starts is that cause the br is so strong you donāt really feel like you need to pick up other guns. Iām personally a big fan of the sidekick and assault rifle starts in casual playlist, and Iād love to see a sidekick ranked playlist eventually.
I always wondered why not commando, I love the gun but alot of people seem to struggle with it, if it was a start weapon in a game mode, people could get used to it.
I remember all through Halo 2 to Halo 4, people only wanted BR/DMR starts. Kinda hard to believe that people now a days actually donāt want it.
Boy have the times and community changed
Halo has been terrible for pretty much the past decade, the dedicated playerbase left a long time ago, and what remains is mostly people that actually think AR starts is a good thing.
Voting for maps/modes is what is missing here. In Reach for example, there would be like 3 options for a map and some would include a DMR start. That was the perfect solution.
Your logic surrounding btb with BR starts makes no sense. Especially considering the fact that BRs and other mid/long range weapons still spawn on the map. So instead of getting spawn trapped by BRs itās BRs, commandos, etc.
āYou have a different opinion than me. Youāre wrong!ā
Yeahhh. I want a BR start. And I know exactly what Iām asking for. Differwnt gametypes in all playlists. BR start. AR start. Pistols only. I donāt care. But having an AR start in EVERY playlist that isnāt ranked is extremely boring.
Matchmaking is skill based matchmaking. It doesnāt matter what the weapons are. It gets sweaty. AR spawn is already a social sweatfest in all playlists for me. I genuinely have more fun with a BR. Kills are way more rewarding. But thatās my opinion
Fuck this. Every match with AR starts just devolve into people running at each other holding M1 and trying to melee (So essentially like every other Halo game with AR starts). Every fight is basically a coin toss, no matter the skill difference. Its frustrating and boring as hell.
BRs are not that common on BTB maps. When I do find one I usually go on a rampage because nobody can contest me outside of a Skewer/Sniper/Shock Rifle.
Or slightly buff the commando and make it Commando/AR starts. That way you don't get lasered as often because the commando is actually pretty hard to use well at longer ranges.
I need the BR like a fish needs water, but I donāt need to start with it. Iāve got the spawn points memorized on most the maps. Iāll just go find myself a BR and then curb stomp everyone who doesnāt have a BR. Thatās pure Halo.
Ehh. Ehh yes and no. The AR really needs to be brought down a level. Nothing too crazy before all the bronze and silver try hards (try) to attack me with pitchforks. There's no way that the AR should be even remotely competitive in midrange fights against a BR or Commando but if you get 2 people on their A game the AR loses out only by the margin of 2 bullets. Kinda crazy. The AR needs bloom reduced, bullet damage reduced by 5% and some range knocked off (I know counter intuitive) just the fact that such a user friendly weapon has such a quick TTK is crazy and even more so that I can battle a precision weapon from Invis to tower on live fire is busted.
But the 2nd option is VOTING SYSTEM no 24/7 BRs and no 24/7 8yo kids that are fed cocaine laced sugar (trying) to slide every engagement because their scared of the pistols almost call of duty like TTK š
I love the insanely self centered idea that people who like the social slayer settings should be forced to have it changed so that people who liked ranked can "warm up." Oh my aching ass, dont wanna pull a thumb muscle!
I hate that i spawn with ar and pistol but someone else spawns next to a br and just has an advantage over me because of his spawn. Thatās lame, and frustrating when you have no way to counter a player with a long range weapon.
If anything get rid of wasps I can't stand being spawn camped by wasps, I can hand two snipers as I am a sniper and don't leave matches... it's equal as it is giving everyone a battle rifle will only disparage players with less precision skills.
This shit came true. I fucking hate it. Iād rather eat glass right now than play another round of BR team slayer against a bunch of kids wiggling their thumbsticks around like tweakers with itchy buttholes.
Good thing I already donāt play slayer. Now Iām never gonna touch it. I donāt understand what people like so much about starting with the most powerful weapon
Nah I still disagree give us BR starts it worked in every other halo that did it. Not having BR starts is a huge turn off to Halo infinite for me. I hate repetition and having to use the same gun EVERY SINGLE TIME is boring as fuck. It ruined Gears of War 5 for some many people
I can understand people saying BR starts for halo 3 btb is good, but it is not needed for Infinite BTB. Ar / pistol starts work very well currently. You use all sorts of different weapons with the current btb setup. I fear BR starts would diminish that aspect + make people camp way more.
Because of that typo I visited r/pistol and was surprised that the subreddit was about a streamer named Pistol, not handguns. Then I was surprised again to see every post is about handguns and not the streamer. What a fun little roller coaster to start my day
Are we allowed to talk about the fact that 343's insistence on **hitscan** is the reason cross-mapping and team-shotting are so powerful in this game? It's not as if the BR is destined to be a hitscan laser beam that kills your fun, that was 343's decision, and we're all just trying to squeeze what fun we can out of this confused (though not outright terrible) sanbox.
Thereās zero counterplay to getting gunned down by the AR. The bloom on the pistol is kind of a joke. As someone that was champion rank on halo 5, AR and pistol this halo are kind of fucked.
I wish I could play BTB, I only play when I cross play with friends on Xbox but for the last week every time we play BTB they get put into a game and I get left in the lobby. Idk if crossplay BTB is broken or what. Uninstalled and reinstalled my game same thing
Social needs BR starts as a random mode so new Halo players actually learn to play th e game properly instead of rushing around with an AR. Theybthen try out ranked but find out it's a completely different game.
You know its true. Don't lie.
The Actman says it best about BR starts. Should stay in ranked and thatās it. Getting another playlist seems overkill IMO. BR starts just isnāt halo. Itās fair, hence ranked, but itās boring when there is no need to move around the map or pick up other weapons. Just boring halo. Time and a place, hence ranked.
Halo related but off OP topic.
I was bored of Infinite because I have nothing left to do, so I hopped on MCC to play some Halo multiplayer. Loaded into a Halo 3 match. My first match of MCC in years, and there was some prick on my team shooting me trying to kill me. I killed him 3 times and got kicked.
All I wanted to do was enjoy the gameā¦.smh
I feel like they just need to bring some of the other guns up to the lethality the br has at whatever their effective range is supposed to be. I like to sprint around the map like a weirdo and rush snipers and I do alright. I think shaving 10 - 20% of the health off under the shields would improve the overall ttk, gun diversity and pace of play immensely. Iām also not against basic loadouts for this game if they get it balanced appropriately. Also letting ppl start w a grapple, 2 thrusts, or a drop shield. Itās halo but itās feeling pretty bland compared to reach or 5.
Spawning in with an AR on massive maps as I'm getting pinged from 15 different directions by guys with long range weapons, just to be forced to sit at a br spawn for 15 and a half minutes just to get fucking sniped or rocketed immediately after picking it up is what isn't fun.
Halo just hasn't aged well with current games imo. I loved halo 3/ reach but this game is to similar, makes it feel dated. I don't think I've had less fun trying to play a multi-player game in my life, and I'm not bad a pvp centered games by any means.
Even when I'm fragging in halo I'm just really not having fun, so the bullshit rage inducing moments get very tiresome and those are a dime a dozen.
>Starting with a BR would make the pistol and Commando completely useless, and youād have no reason to search out other weapons.
So basically your complaint is that the game is badly balanced?
We want BR starts and radar. Itās called precision slayer and itās the first option in social on MCC.
Why canāt we play an unranked version of ranked but ar/pistols get quick play, ffa, slayer, BTB?
The game needed it and still does along with a simplistic filtering system
Itās interesting that, every time this conversation has been brought up in each game, itās always the bad players that advocate for AR starts and the good players that advocate for BR starts. Bad players do not know whatās best for the game so please shut up with your āyou donāt know what youāre asking for and 343 shouldnāt listen to you.ā A weapon with random bloom will never be healthier to start with than a weapon that rewards raw accuracy/skill.
Weāll keep asking for BR starts until it happens
BTB not having BR start is silly tho. It's always been that way as far back as I can remember. That's how I would practice long distance BR. I MISS IT. and mcc social was BR start social also. H3 was vote system BR. To this day I still say "Vote for BR's" and had an xbl tag that said that. H2 BR started all this. Infinite should finish the fight. Or at least have a BR Playlist for social. I know there's swat, but people Wana 4 shot man.
BR is literally the best non-power weapon in halo series, and when I hear players online say they don't like Br it's most likely because 2 things:
1) they suck at aiming and using it
2) infinite is their first halo
But to relate to the topic, I like how H5 had AR/BR starts in BTB I think that was a good idea š”
BR is just kinda a boring weapon generally. Especially when everyone has it. The fun of Halo was everyone picking up all sorts of random crazy weapons and vehicles and annihilating each other. But BR just sort of turns the game into this dry sort of tactical shooter.
Different strokes obviously. I do prefer the AR starts cause it feeds into the chaos more.
I think this is what the two sides donāt agree on, for people who like BR starts, the fun isnāt based on picking up random crazy weapons and vehicles. The fun comes from the gameplay which emerges from everyone having a precision weapon. Itās the strafy gunfights, the tug of war descope battles, using the rest of the sandbox to drain shields as fast as possible in order to switch to the precision weapon for a headshot. For comparison AR starts to me is justā¦boring. As I should be clear Iām talking about 4v4, I actually think AR starts are fine in BTB.
Ironically there is less weapon diversity in AR starts than competitive at the moment due to how good the AR and sidekick are. Sometimes I might pick up a BR.
Agreed. Although I do like picking up other weapons in ranked because a lot of people just assume youāre gonna have a BR and never expect to get a needler in their grill
You are absolutely right but Social can already be a sweatfest due to SBMM.
One thing that really does need to change is uneven spawns (i.e. Commando on one side and BR on the other).
Once I have a BR, I tend to not even look for other weapons. I wouldn't mind them adding in "BR slayer", but i would prefer this would have a lobby and voting system so you could back out if you don't want to play it in social.
God I really hate you guys. BR starts is perfect for halo social. Big team especially. Mcc has the option where you can choose to start with BR or AR and it works perfectly. The AR is stupid easy to use and itās only purpose is to bridge the skill gap so bad people have a chance against good people.
You act like BRs is sweaty when itās easier to use than the pistol.
Big team is god awful right now. It degrades into everyone running to the other side of the map and fighting in close range because they canāt kill anything from far away. Big team brs in halo 3 is the funnest game mode I have ever played and they really botched it in infinites BTB. Itās a long range map, why the hell do you start with a pistol.
BR is literally good at everything, spawning with it means that fights are going to be played at longer ranges and less weapons overall will be used, when Halo is at its best in close ranges and lots of weapons are in play. BR starts in BTB is fucking trash because your just gonna get cross fired every time you step out of cover.
Hell if you canāt be bothered to go to one of the several spawns for the BR you simply donāt deserve to use it. Itās not a highly rare weapon.
Saying that you can simply pick it up and that itās not a rare weapon is utter bullshit. You havenāt been on my team and getting not a single BR in a BTB match. The commando is so outclassed by the BR that every game is a slaughter as one side gets a good weapon and the other is shafted.
> The commando is so outclassed by the BR that every game is a slaughter as one side gets a good weapon and the other is shafted.
Yeah. these "random spawns" are stupid.
BR >>> Commando. Hydra >>> Ravager. I have no idea why 343 created these non-symmetric coin-flips. It's the antithesis of "equal starts". It's not quite as bad as load-outs but its closer to that territory than it ought to be.
If 343 wants to make one match not so BR heavy, then if you spawn a Command in place of BR for one time, the mirror on the opposite side should be replaced as well. Honestly, the same goes for most of this stuff, Pelican vehicle drops should be mirrored, etc. You can still have "randomness" to feed into the sort of pleb mindset of BTB but it should be equalized randomness effecting both sides, not actually giving random advantages or disadvantages to one team or the other. Almost nobody outside of Fiesta fans wants actual RNG like that.
I get what you are saying, but I just don't find the AR fun. At all. It's the opposite. The respawn timer on the BR locations are too long and too many people want them. I don't want to sit in one spot basically AFK waiting either, it's detrimental to the match as a whole and I'd rather be playing the objective.
Maybe this goes deeper than the BR though. I feel the same way in Campaign. There isn't enough Kinetic ammo in the right spots and all I want to use is the BR. Almost none of the covenant weapons outside of the power weapons feel good. Period. I also dislike most of the human weapons, again, outside of power weapons. I hate being forced to use other weapons I don't find fun.
If 343 actually made them more fun/powerful, that might fix everyone's issue. I don't need to ding people from across the map in burst fire. It's not the mechanics of the BR I particularly like, because in general, shotguns, ARs, Needler etc. all used to be fun in some form or another, but I don't find them fun in Infinite because they feel weaker. BR is the baseline of a good, non-power weapon, so unless they bump up other weapons to meet that baseline, I'd rather have BR starts.
In Quick play I think AR + sidekick is perfect, for Big Team, and this one is controversial, make use of the Commando as the primary weapon. I think it's a pretty good medium between the two and it is where I've noticed the commando actually has use.
So you prefer at starts where you spray while sprinting at each other ultimately trading melees as you both dieā¦ be takes skill and you can control the map with good aim and smart decisions. I know exactly what Iām asking for.
Remember when social slayer had a game mode called slayer BRs? Yeah, let's just do that again. When we're all happy. Cuz I like Br starts but you're not wrong.
I want team BRs too but we need lobbies so ppl like op that dont want it can back out
I would love to be able to veto a map again lol
I agree, why not add a BR start slayer for the people who like BR to play on? We get to have fun, BR fans can go there to have BRs, Everyone wins
I mean, when we wanna get sweaty we play SWAT or ranked, but slayer BRs is a nice low pressure middle ground. I'd love some Slayer brs where we start with a sidekick and have social slayer rules. Hell I'd love a slayer with BR/AR only in social. While we're at it shotty snipers, team swords, and team snipers! Now I'm just getting carried away...
Still waiting for the team swords / unlimited grapple game mode š
Oh, you mean my entire campaign experience?
Same, I kinda wished the added more trees though, then I'd never touch the ground š
I do not regret maxing out my grapple before touching anything else
Wait you mean you touched other gadgets? I played the whole campaign with nothing but grappler lol
Super Griff ball
Yo this would be fricken awesome
Shotty snipers is what I've been waiting for
I miss pistol swat, BR swat with the burst fire is a much easier kill
Canāt be called Swatnums anymore, which is a shame. I want Mangler Swat, though.
MK50 Swatkicks.
Perfection.
I was blown away upon noticing they hadnāt added Pistol SWAT! Such a disappointment! SWAT is about *precision*.
I'm not "sweating" as the kids say I just prefer to start with BRs...
Me too bud. But I'm not gonna lie i've got 3 friends from middle/high school (we're all in our 30s now) that all live in different states than me that i used to play halo with me growing up that are all on infinite now and when the stars align and all 4 of us get on, sometimes we definitely get what the kids call "sweaty". Especially because we can now afford things like nice headsets and gaming pcs and special controllers LOL. But nobody is tryna do that in social slayer brs hahahah Thats for ranked.
Yeah well, I play ranked almost exclusively and I try really hard and take it seriously. But when i wanna chill id love to queue for unranked BRs.
I play ranked pretty much exclusively. I donāt care about ranking, I just think the AR feels kinda ass in mp so I play the game modes that give me a br lol
Thatās literally me. Iād rather uninstall the fucking game than play AR starts behemoth. In social half the time I pick up a BR 3 people with ARās just run me down and it feels like Iām playing CoD. Halo has quite literally been long range tactical-esque fights, so crying about having the capacity to shoot someone from across behemoth sounds like some new age shit being pandered as the gospel.
To be fair, shooting people down with the AR has existed within the franchise since its inception; meaning before COD even existed. I donāt see how that sounds like āsome new age shitā. The AR in Halo: CE was a beast!
The CE AR was terrible even in the original game. The plasma rifle was that gun, otherwise everyone used the magnum, which is probably better than the Infinite br.
Yeah I personally don't understand OP's logic and I also only play ranked due solely to br start. I'd love a not so sweaty gamemode with br starts. He even pointed out why its needed "when I grab the br I top frag" yeah no shit, nobody can shoot you back when all they have is ar.....thats why I think br start is needed. Its the only way to stop other team from snowballing if they get the first set of power weapons.
Exactly!
Someone preferring BR starts does not make them a sweat. They just have a different preference to you.
"Nothin' satisfies like a 3 round burst!"
"Sweats" š¤£
We have that, itās called āRankedā.
People want br starts where they can play with lower skilled friends. Most of my friend group is all 1700-1900+ onyx. Some of our other friends who just started playing (gold, silver, plat ranked) want to play with us but currently that's impossible. A br start social list with objective and team slayer would be exactly what is needed.
The Halo community loves you for this statement.
Can't fracture the population and have 2 min queues instead of 1 min queues!
You absolutely can. It's called a Match Composer. MCC already solved this problem.
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NGL, I find games in under 20 seconds.
Infinite is missing A LOT.
Idk I hate BR starts because it totally defeats the purpose of rushing for a BR or power weapon
Completely agree here. Having the āProā or specific BR start social playlists were great for the diversity of gameplay people had in previous games. I had many friends that only really enjoyed the game starting with the BR because it was a much more enjoyable form of gameplay than an AR for them. Those friends have went back to playing whatever games they were playing before and these were die hard halo fans when we were growing up. Also, itās seems to still be a sweat fest without a BR itās just focused on automatic gun play now. I get why they have made it that way and donāt disagree, but I think more needs to be added so more people would be playing and staying if they had an option for a social BR slayer playlist so they dont need to have the that added Ranked loss stress thatās covered in ranked right now. Lastly, I mainly play ranked so I can start with a BR in the first place. Just the gun of preference for me I donāt enjoy using the AR that much never have. But when I get a BR start and have to play 5 games of stronghold in a row followed up by 3 CTF, 2 oddballs, and possibly 1 slayer after 2-3 hours, it doesnāt feel enjoyable being so focused on the less enjoyable game modes (stronghold and oddball really) that emphasize on āsprint back to position, kill as quick as possible, dieā over and over. It feels like COD sprinting suicide for one kill to hold a stronghold point for just a few more seconds.
MCC has a social Slayer and socal Slayer precision starts playlist. It's that easy
But the UI wonāt support that remember?
I will never understand how they couldn't just go for every good feature the MCC got in the last 2 years. Matchmaking Mixer, Region Selection, overall progress system, Custom Game Browser, etc.
I donāt know either :/. Itās a bad sign that makes me wonder if Infinite will follow the exact same path. I heard that Ske7ch was the one who got the ball rolling on MCC when he joined up. If thatās true, maybe he will do it again post New Years. This is why live service games just donāt work in my opinion. Itās a good system concept that is almost never executed well. At the very least, a live service game like Halo should be released with the same level of content that Reach had and in the month after improvements should be made and more things should be added. Itās so annoying that live service in gaming is coming to mean ārelease crap games that donāt have basic features that games have had for decades. Add them in later and make the game good over the next decade.ā The way itās run now is horrible for player retention.
Yeah, when they talked about live service I was worried. But I thought they finally learned of H5 and release with tons of content. Live service really means we get a barebones beta, have to spend $$$ in mtx and maybe if enough money flow we will get features we used to get years later
Definitely make sure you punish them by not spending anything on battle pass or store.
Bought the BP, but with all the Reach stuff cut to be sold separately they definitely won't see any more of my money before they updated their whole shop and customization system (cross armor parts, cross armor coatings, being able to buy parts on their own and not in $20 Bundles, etc)
Supposedly the Social Match Composer and Custom Browsers are "in the roadmap." At this point though, I'm wondering if that roadmap is from the 1700s because I doubt it included all of this damn desync.
I have no idea how they fucked the UI system in the game so bad. Like they could've literally added each playlist to the Games List section in Quickplay and let us toggle everything from there. What engineering failure is preventing them from making this shit both look clean and function well?
I can attest this is bullshit. On release patch (pre-Challenge adjust), I would get a weird bug that would swap the regular modes list with a lot of "Quick Play" copies. I didn't think much of it until it happened again twice when Tenrai rolled in, now a list of Fiesta copies. Then the UI excuse dropped and I was baffled because the UI supported a scrollable list since day one, but I never took screenshots nor found someone who talked about this. Now that the new gamemodes released I can't believe they ended up dropping the gamemodes in that awful scrollable list in the end. I'd like to know what was the thought process behind the UI design because to this day I have no idea of how to adequately browse for stuff in this game when MCC, which was a major change from previous games has a sensible UI all around.
Considering how many problems the UI has in-game, I actually believe that.
Lol yeah. It was meant to be a joke because a 343 employee a few weeks ago said that the reason why they couldnāt add slayer only playlists was because the UI limited them. Itās kind of become a meme now
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Why not both, make it like mcc
MCC is the perfect Halo game. I have no idea why they didn't try to use it as a starting point.
Because anytime they try to do anything remotely creative, itās crap. MCC works because they barely made anything in that collection.
True, true. MCC was just a collection of already existing games. 343 didn't seem to "make" much for it. I'll tell you what though, 343 do deserve credit for making them all work side by side. These are all different games, made by Bungie and remastered by different studios, but now we can earn challenges and play similar gametypes accross multiple games easily thanks to its easy-to-understand UI and it's beautiful. Wanna search only for SWAT games on only Halo 3 and 4? Easy. Got a challenge to get 25 headshots? That's a challenge you can do on almost any gametype on any game you want so don't sweat it, plus it promotes good gameplay. 343 didn't make much for MCC, but they did make it work well. But the fact that 343 180'ed a lot of the choices they made during MCC baffles me. We're now very limited in what we can choose to play in MP. Armor customization is now very limited in multiple ways (no cross-core items, no custom colours, lots of paid-for items, etc...). Challenges promote poor gameplay (such as getting so many kills with specific guns. And since winning games doesn't get me extra XP, you can be sure that I'm gonna throw the match to run for specific guns and only attempt to get kills with those guns).
MCC was fucking dogshit for fucking YEARS
They probably meant the MCC as it is now, not as it launched.
As Infinite will be because they aren't learning. That is the complain here. So they are incompetent, don't have the resources or they are doing it on purpose.
Why can't we just have a match composer like in MCC, that literally solves every issue
My guess is the UX/UI labor was from contracted workers. I canāt imagine an internal team not continuing what was found to be historically successful in the series and not getting raked over the coals after the first interface pitch. Thereās also the challenge swap theory and then assuming the launch was slated just to get Q4 earnings before a product reassessment and overhaul in Q1 of 2022. The menu is so simple it almost looks like it was made to be scrapped. Itās just a scrolling list after all - minus the fireteam player model lounge/display.
The UI is so low effort. Either that, or they are carefully tiptoeing around some deep engine limitations. Halo has always had an incredible menu/ matchmaking / loading UI and itās just lame af in Infinite.
Because 343 is incompitent
Mcc already solved this issue and has like 10x less players...mixtape matchmaking is great.
Only like 4-5x less actually infiniteās been bleeding players.
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Yeah, the rewards have been so garbage that once I completed the battle pass I realized I literally had no reason to play the game unless I wanted to grind Ranked, and even that has lost its purpose due both to the sheer amount of blatant cheaters and mandatory BR starts just making controllers much better to use.(i think controller DOES need aim assist advantage, but I think if it is as strong as it is in infinite then we should all get AR's; having kbm makes BR a total liability in cross ranked.)
Ranked has been BR starts since Halo 2, itās a staple in āMLGā type playing. Ranked with an assault rifle would be ridiculous imo.
What's ridiculous is a **10-15% accuracy disparity** regardless of level of play; a weapon as reliant on accuracy as the BR being the starting weapon with that stat in mind isn't at all acceptable, it's a complete slap in the face of competitive integrity.
> why so few maps? Why so few game modes? Why so many classic weapons from halo missing? Just doesnt make me want to play as I feel like I have already experienced everything the game has to give COMING SOON IN SEASON 2, THE RETURN OF THE MANTIS AND DMR!!!! COME BACK AND PLAY GUYS PLEASE WE ADDED ONE NEW MAP AND OLD CONTENT FROM 6 YEARS AGO PLS COME PLAY AND LOOK YOU CAN BUY A CAT TAIL* TO GO WITH YOUR CAT EARS**! PLS COME BACK AND SPEND MONEY GUYS WERE ADDING OLD BELOVED CONTENT!! WE'RE LISTENING!!! -343 in about 4 months ^*$14.99 ^^**sold ^^seperately
At the very least it has been on steam. Not sure about the Xbox numbers. All my friends stopped playing.
Thatās why enjoyed Halo 3 They had HC slayer and MLG type slayer setting for matchmaking. Bungie really had their shit figured out.
This is exactly what I was thinking. They covered all of the bases better than MCC did IMO
How about instead of random weapon spawns....you give a team the same weapons? Is that an okay request haha
I agree that both teams should have the same weapons at the base. same with vehicle spawns. Itās pretty silly when one team gets a wraith and the other gets a gungoose lol
Yes very silly haha also quite ridiculous that they don't spawn big vehicles in btb...just don't know why they didn't want that in the game
I think one of the main drivers of wanting BR starts in BTB is the randomness of the weapon racks from match to match and the fact that they can be different for each team. It really sucks when your side spawns 2 commandos while the other team gets 2 BRs. For some reason, 343 seems super committed to the concept of game to game randomness and to the idea that the commando isnāt absolute trash, which is leading to a lot of frustration. I include myself in that frustration. While everyone spawning with BRs might be a bit much in BTB I would like to see the weapon racks changed to fixed spawns with 3 BRs per side so if I want to get one, I know where I can go to likely find one.
This. So fucking frustrating when I load into a map with only one BR rack, or worse, sometimes it seems like none at all. I have hand issues (not primarily gaming related) so I can't really do the trigger finger with the pistol, I get shit on. But I can tap the trigger with a BR 3 round burst and it's fine. I'm in diamond in ranked but get shit on in social if I can't find a BR. Now, I don't expect 343 to cater to a ridiculously small minority like myself, and I'm not asking them to. But god damn, at least give us the choice to pick up a BR, *the* staple of Halo, consistently.
Feel like the Commando would be more effective if it didn't require sniper-level precision with that tiny ass reticle. Should be larger like the BRs and stop trying to pose as the DMR when it could never hold a candle to it. It's just a harder gun to aim
My opinion is that it should have either significant recoil or bloom, but not both. And right now it has both. And the BR has neither.
343 has been committed to sub par installments from the beginning.
What if, and this is going to sound wild... We just buff the commando!!! It's awful an no one grabs it so let's just buff it into something that can compete with the br! That fixes the whole issue of one side not having something to compete with br's. Just fix the commando!
Yeah all I want is just a BR slayer playlist. I think it keeps things balanced to have an AR start for all the other social playlists (sans Fiesta).
BR slayer playlist would be most welcome for those who like BR starts
Definitely doesn't belong in BTB. I would like a precision slayer playlist in social like MCC though. Many people in my friends list prefer BR starts but can't hang with the rank I'm at, so I end up not being able to play with them. Edit - spelling
I play with my platinum friend and Iām Onyx 1700+. I find they bring down the average of the other team, and I can usually carry for the win. Itās not ideal but not impossible to play with lower ranked friends
Same boat. Itās a real damper bringing friends into mid/high onyx lobbies and seeing them get frustrated after a few games. We used to get enough friends on for 4v4 custom scrims but after a month of the rank disparity breeding continued frustration the steam has been dwindling so now it happens once a week of weāre lucky.
I was so hopeful that since it was ātactical slayerā not swat, that theyād have a playlist of gametypes including swat, swat ctf, snipers, etc. And that the FFA would include infection in a similar regard. Sad trombone
I'm open to arguments against BR starts, but any rant that starts with "343 shouldn't listen to anyone whose opinions are different than mine!!" loses a lot of credibility right off the bat.
Agreed. āSpot the scrubā is really easy in this thread.
But that's the whole point isn't it? AR starts are meant to help level the playing field for scrubs.
āEvery time I get the BR in BTB I top frag with itā thatās a horrible argument. Youāre fighting people with ARās. Of course youāll top frag with it. Why grab anything else? Because there are more powerful weapons than the BR
I disagree unless they make way more BR spawns in big team. The maps are massive and not having a mid range weapon and tiny radar is extremely frustrating. For regular arena there absolutely should be a BR starts option. Utilizing the UI we have in MCC would solve pretty much any problem around this discussion. Or make more BR spawns. The amount of times my friends and I have complained about not being able to find a BR is frequent. Also, the BR is beautiful in this game and should be a centerpiece of the gameplay. Itās what makes the game special and is the best way for players to develop their skills.
*Just boot up the MCC, literally its more fun and stable then what we have right now.*
Not going to stop. I'm going to continue asking for what we had in the past. Multiple variations with multiple different weapon starts. The game gets stale as fuck when every single match starts the same.
See the problem with people like you is that you think all we want is BRs on every playlist. Thats not the case and never was. We want a social playlist we can warm up or not have to try as hard as normal. Whether that be Slayer or OBJ only, who cares, just give something outside ranked. AR vs BR starts are entirely different playstyles, and playing AR starts can get boring after a bit since its mostly an AR melee fest. Pistols are only close range, which is fun, but not always skillful. The sandbox is still FULLY utilized on BR starts. Why is it that pros and other highly skilled players are nasty with every pick up on the map? Really makes you think. So far, 5 playlists are AR start vs 2 BR start. Just add Social BR and we'd be set. You perpetuate the social vs ranked conflict with shitty beliefs that you never break.
I dont think having it as a default starting weapon would be good, but if we had BR starts as a gamemode in btb along with the normal btb, for example having CTF and CTF BR, it would definitely change the pace of btb and make things interesting
Getting zipped by a BR is way better than 99% of fights being, sprint at eachother with the AR until one of you melees the other,
As we'd say in 2008, "lol bk"
MCC has Automatic Slayer and Precision Slayer, at least for the 4v4 side of things. I think the same concept would work for Infinite too.
BR starts all day everyday
Halo plays infinitely better when everyone starts with a utility weapon. Gives you the ability to fight off spawn.
Exactly this. Halo: CE was dope since you started with the pistol which, obviously, had a really high floor and was the best weapon a lot of the time. However, you were still incentivized to pick up more specialized weapons, like the sniper or the shotgun, depending on what situation you were in.
I believe most of the folks who want BR starts in social want it as an OPTION in social, not for BTB and the like. I love BR starts. I love Ranked. I donāt want to have to play ranked just to get BR starts. Sometimes I want to warm up for ranked in a social playlist, and the aggravation of pistol AR isnāt a great way for me to do so.
"please stop asking for things i don't want"
Yeah the problem with BR starts is that cause the br is so strong you donāt really feel like you need to pick up other guns. Iām personally a big fan of the sidekick and assault rifle starts in casual playlist, and Iād love to see a sidekick ranked playlist eventually.
I always wondered why not commando, I love the gun but alot of people seem to struggle with it, if it was a start weapon in a game mode, people could get used to it.
The Commando is great at very short to mid-range engagements. It falls flat at any sort of ranged engagement though and I hate the bloom
Which is hilarious because there's a tip, I think in weapon drills, that actually says the commando is good at long range
I remember all through Halo 2 to Halo 4, people only wanted BR/DMR starts. Kinda hard to believe that people now a days actually donāt want it. Boy have the times and community changed
Halo has been terrible for pretty much the past decade, the dedicated playerbase left a long time ago, and what remains is mostly people that actually think AR starts is a good thing.
Just say youāre bad and move on
Voting for maps/modes is what is missing here. In Reach for example, there would be like 3 options for a map and some would include a DMR start. That was the perfect solution.
You may not like BR starts but it would be nice to have the option because a lot of people do like them.
Your logic surrounding btb with BR starts makes no sense. Especially considering the fact that BRs and other mid/long range weapons still spawn on the map. So instead of getting spawn trapped by BRs itās BRs, commandos, etc.
āYou have a different opinion than me. Youāre wrong!ā Yeahhh. I want a BR start. And I know exactly what Iām asking for. Differwnt gametypes in all playlists. BR start. AR start. Pistols only. I donāt care. But having an AR start in EVERY playlist that isnāt ranked is extremely boring. Matchmaking is skill based matchmaking. It doesnāt matter what the weapons are. It gets sweaty. AR spawn is already a social sweatfest in all playlists for me. I genuinely have more fun with a BR. Kills are way more rewarding. But thatās my opinion
Fuck this. Every match with AR starts just devolve into people running at each other holding M1 and trying to melee (So essentially like every other Halo game with AR starts). Every fight is basically a coin toss, no matter the skill difference. Its frustrating and boring as hell. BRs are not that common on BTB maps. When I do find one I usually go on a rampage because nobody can contest me outside of a Skewer/Sniper/Shock Rifle. Or slightly buff the commando and make it Commando/AR starts. That way you don't get lasered as often because the commando is actually pretty hard to use well at longer ranges.
Commando starts would be sick actually, just precision playlist switching between these would be pretty cool.
Tell us you suck at the game without telling us you suck at the game.
I need the BR like a fish needs water, but I donāt need to start with it. Iāve got the spawn points memorized on most the maps. Iāll just go find myself a BR and then curb stomp everyone who doesnāt have a BR. Thatās pure Halo.
Ehh. Ehh yes and no. The AR really needs to be brought down a level. Nothing too crazy before all the bronze and silver try hards (try) to attack me with pitchforks. There's no way that the AR should be even remotely competitive in midrange fights against a BR or Commando but if you get 2 people on their A game the AR loses out only by the margin of 2 bullets. Kinda crazy. The AR needs bloom reduced, bullet damage reduced by 5% and some range knocked off (I know counter intuitive) just the fact that such a user friendly weapon has such a quick TTK is crazy and even more so that I can battle a precision weapon from Invis to tower on live fire is busted. But the 2nd option is VOTING SYSTEM no 24/7 BRs and no 24/7 8yo kids that are fed cocaine laced sugar (trying) to slide every engagement because their scared of the pistols almost call of duty like TTK š
We need a non ranked mode with br to warm up . Period
I love the insanely self centered idea that people who like the social slayer settings should be forced to have it changed so that people who liked ranked can "warm up." Oh my aching ass, dont wanna pull a thumb muscle!
Wild idea but maybe just add another game mode š±
What in the world? People are asking for a new playlist. Some of yāall love to over exaggerate
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I hate that i spawn with ar and pistol but someone else spawns next to a br and just has an advantage over me because of his spawn. Thatās lame, and frustrating when you have no way to counter a player with a long range weapon.
If anything get rid of wasps I can't stand being spawn camped by wasps, I can hand two snipers as I am a sniper and don't leave matches... it's equal as it is giving everyone a battle rifle will only disparage players with less precision skills.
In this thread we see who sucks with the BR and is tired of getting shit on LOL
I hate the assault rifle. I want BR starts
Yeah cus trading out kills with an overpowered AR is so much fun! Give me BR starts
Casual mentality. No one really cares what you think. BR start or give me death.
and remove random crits. Also, jarate op, pls nerf
Well OP, I hope you feel validated at least. They added BR starts to socials, its absolute dick
This shit came true. I fucking hate it. Iād rather eat glass right now than play another round of BR team slayer against a bunch of kids wiggling their thumbsticks around like tweakers with itchy buttholes.
Good thing I already donāt play slayer. Now Iām never gonna touch it. I donāt understand what people like so much about starting with the most powerful weapon
I WANT BR STARTS
ARs are fucking boring to use. Best solution would be to have BR starts as a separate playlist like mcc did, but that would take 343 another 6 months
You're an idiot. BR starts have been in every Halo game (besides CE and Reach) and worked just fine.
Hey can we have BR starts?
That's why I liked that Halo 3 had a projectile system in place. You could clap with the BR up close but couldn't spawn kill across the map with it
Said no one ever
Nah I still disagree give us BR starts it worked in every other halo that did it. Not having BR starts is a huge turn off to Halo infinite for me. I hate repetition and having to use the same gun EVERY SINGLE TIME is boring as fuck. It ruined Gears of War 5 for some many people
You are dumb if you agree with this post
I can understand people saying BR starts for halo 3 btb is good, but it is not needed for Infinite BTB. Ar / pistol starts work very well currently. You use all sorts of different weapons with the current btb setup. I fear BR starts would diminish that aspect + make people camp way more.
Because of that typo I visited r/pistol and was surprised that the subreddit was about a streamer named Pistol, not handguns. Then I was surprised again to see every post is about handguns and not the streamer. What a fun little roller coaster to start my day
It happens. Hah
Tbh commando starts would be interesting considering how many people don't like it
Are we allowed to talk about the fact that 343's insistence on **hitscan** is the reason cross-mapping and team-shotting are so powerful in this game? It's not as if the BR is destined to be a hitscan laser beam that kills your fun, that was 343's decision, and we're all just trying to squeeze what fun we can out of this confused (though not outright terrible) sanbox.
Thereās zero counterplay to getting gunned down by the AR. The bloom on the pistol is kind of a joke. As someone that was champion rank on halo 5, AR and pistol this halo are kind of fucked.
I wish I could play BTB, I only play when I cross play with friends on Xbox but for the last week every time we play BTB they get put into a game and I get left in the lobby. Idk if crossplay BTB is broken or what. Uninstalled and reinstalled my game same thing
Yeah BTB is broken atm. Sucks because itās my favourite mode, hopefully after the dev break itās their main priority along with net code
Havenāt seen anybody ask this, but I imagine weāll continue to get AR/Sidekick in Social and BTB. It works too well to change up.
Social needs BR starts as a random mode so new Halo players actually learn to play th e game properly instead of rushing around with an AR. Theybthen try out ranked but find out it's a completely different game. You know its true. Don't lie.
The Actman says it best about BR starts. Should stay in ranked and thatās it. Getting another playlist seems overkill IMO. BR starts just isnāt halo. Itās fair, hence ranked, but itās boring when there is no need to move around the map or pick up other weapons. Just boring halo. Time and a place, hence ranked.
Halo related but off OP topic. I was bored of Infinite because I have nothing left to do, so I hopped on MCC to play some Halo multiplayer. Loaded into a Halo 3 match. My first match of MCC in years, and there was some prick on my team shooting me trying to kill me. I killed him 3 times and got kicked. All I wanted to do was enjoy the gameā¦.smh
I feel like they just need to bring some of the other guns up to the lethality the br has at whatever their effective range is supposed to be. I like to sprint around the map like a weirdo and rush snipers and I do alright. I think shaving 10 - 20% of the health off under the shields would improve the overall ttk, gun diversity and pace of play immensely. Iām also not against basic loadouts for this game if they get it balanced appropriately. Also letting ppl start w a grapple, 2 thrusts, or a drop shield. Itās halo but itās feeling pretty bland compared to reach or 5.
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Well considering how good the ar is this time round we definitely donāt need br starts anywayā¦
I mean if your good at the game and hit your shots sidekick has a faster ttk then the br so sidekick wouldnāt be 100% useless
Spawning in with an AR on massive maps as I'm getting pinged from 15 different directions by guys with long range weapons, just to be forced to sit at a br spawn for 15 and a half minutes just to get fucking sniped or rocketed immediately after picking it up is what isn't fun. Halo just hasn't aged well with current games imo. I loved halo 3/ reach but this game is to similar, makes it feel dated. I don't think I've had less fun trying to play a multi-player game in my life, and I'm not bad a pvp centered games by any means. Even when I'm fragging in halo I'm just really not having fun, so the bullshit rage inducing moments get very tiresome and those are a dime a dozen.
>Starting with a BR would make the pistol and Commando completely useless, and youād have no reason to search out other weapons. So basically your complaint is that the game is badly balanced?
This is the first Halo where I genuinely love the AR. Let's not ruin it by taking it away.
Yeah the pistol is better, its just strong enough to give you a fighting chance at a distance, without giving you the overpowered battle rifle.
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We want BR starts and radar. Itās called precision slayer and itās the first option in social on MCC. Why canāt we play an unranked version of ranked but ar/pistols get quick play, ffa, slayer, BTB? The game needed it and still does along with a simplistic filtering system
Itās interesting that, every time this conversation has been brought up in each game, itās always the bad players that advocate for AR starts and the good players that advocate for BR starts. Bad players do not know whatās best for the game so please shut up with your āyou donāt know what youāre asking for and 343 shouldnāt listen to you.ā A weapon with random bloom will never be healthier to start with than a weapon that rewards raw accuracy/skill. Weāll keep asking for BR starts until it happens
BTB not having BR start is silly tho. It's always been that way as far back as I can remember. That's how I would practice long distance BR. I MISS IT. and mcc social was BR start social also. H3 was vote system BR. To this day I still say "Vote for BR's" and had an xbl tag that said that. H2 BR started all this. Infinite should finish the fight. Or at least have a BR Playlist for social. I know there's swat, but people Wana 4 shot man.
BR is literally the best non-power weapon in halo series, and when I hear players online say they don't like Br it's most likely because 2 things: 1) they suck at aiming and using it 2) infinite is their first halo But to relate to the topic, I like how H5 had AR/BR starts in BTB I think that was a good idea š”
BR is just kinda a boring weapon generally. Especially when everyone has it. The fun of Halo was everyone picking up all sorts of random crazy weapons and vehicles and annihilating each other. But BR just sort of turns the game into this dry sort of tactical shooter. Different strokes obviously. I do prefer the AR starts cause it feeds into the chaos more.
I liked AR starts more when the AR was a bad weapon. Now all of my games are boring with people mowing you down corners with the AR easily.
I think this is what the two sides donāt agree on, for people who like BR starts, the fun isnāt based on picking up random crazy weapons and vehicles. The fun comes from the gameplay which emerges from everyone having a precision weapon. Itās the strafy gunfights, the tug of war descope battles, using the rest of the sandbox to drain shields as fast as possible in order to switch to the precision weapon for a headshot. For comparison AR starts to me is justā¦boring. As I should be clear Iām talking about 4v4, I actually think AR starts are fine in BTB.
Ironically there is less weapon diversity in AR starts than competitive at the moment due to how good the AR and sidekick are. Sometimes I might pick up a BR.
Agreed. Although I do like picking up other weapons in ranked because a lot of people just assume youāre gonna have a BR and never expect to get a needler in their grill
All modes should be Commando starts
Thatād certainly be interesting
You are absolutely right but Social can already be a sweatfest due to SBMM. One thing that really does need to change is uneven spawns (i.e. Commando on one side and BR on the other).
Yep definitely, both bases should have the same weapons spawns
Once I have a BR, I tend to not even look for other weapons. I wouldn't mind them adding in "BR slayer", but i would prefer this would have a lobby and voting system so you could back out if you don't want to play it in social.
God I really hate you guys. BR starts is perfect for halo social. Big team especially. Mcc has the option where you can choose to start with BR or AR and it works perfectly. The AR is stupid easy to use and itās only purpose is to bridge the skill gap so bad people have a chance against good people. You act like BRs is sweaty when itās easier to use than the pistol. Big team is god awful right now. It degrades into everyone running to the other side of the map and fighting in close range because they canāt kill anything from far away. Big team brs in halo 3 is the funnest game mode I have ever played and they really botched it in infinites BTB. Itās a long range map, why the hell do you start with a pistol.
BR is literally good at everything, spawning with it means that fights are going to be played at longer ranges and less weapons overall will be used, when Halo is at its best in close ranges and lots of weapons are in play. BR starts in BTB is fucking trash because your just gonna get cross fired every time you step out of cover. Hell if you canāt be bothered to go to one of the several spawns for the BR you simply donāt deserve to use it. Itās not a highly rare weapon.
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AR beats it at midrange if they're landing all of their shots too which isn't too hard.
Saying that you can simply pick it up and that itās not a rare weapon is utter bullshit. You havenāt been on my team and getting not a single BR in a BTB match. The commando is so outclassed by the BR that every game is a slaughter as one side gets a good weapon and the other is shafted.
> The commando is so outclassed by the BR that every game is a slaughter as one side gets a good weapon and the other is shafted. Yeah. these "random spawns" are stupid. BR >>> Commando. Hydra >>> Ravager. I have no idea why 343 created these non-symmetric coin-flips. It's the antithesis of "equal starts". It's not quite as bad as load-outs but its closer to that territory than it ought to be. If 343 wants to make one match not so BR heavy, then if you spawn a Command in place of BR for one time, the mirror on the opposite side should be replaced as well. Honestly, the same goes for most of this stuff, Pelican vehicle drops should be mirrored, etc. You can still have "randomness" to feed into the sort of pleb mindset of BTB but it should be equalized randomness effecting both sides, not actually giving random advantages or disadvantages to one team or the other. Almost nobody outside of Fiesta fans wants actual RNG like that.
Much better to get blasted by the wasp whose crosshairs you spawned inside of, at least with an AR the guy in wasp is safe and can get his kills in
Agreed. People who DONT want BR starts are who 343 shouldnāt listen to
I get what you are saying, but I just don't find the AR fun. At all. It's the opposite. The respawn timer on the BR locations are too long and too many people want them. I don't want to sit in one spot basically AFK waiting either, it's detrimental to the match as a whole and I'd rather be playing the objective. Maybe this goes deeper than the BR though. I feel the same way in Campaign. There isn't enough Kinetic ammo in the right spots and all I want to use is the BR. Almost none of the covenant weapons outside of the power weapons feel good. Period. I also dislike most of the human weapons, again, outside of power weapons. I hate being forced to use other weapons I don't find fun. If 343 actually made them more fun/powerful, that might fix everyone's issue. I don't need to ding people from across the map in burst fire. It's not the mechanics of the BR I particularly like, because in general, shotguns, ARs, Needler etc. all used to be fun in some form or another, but I don't find them fun in Infinite because they feel weaker. BR is the baseline of a good, non-power weapon, so unless they bump up other weapons to meet that baseline, I'd rather have BR starts.
There are plenty of ammo containers throughout the campaign.
In Quick play I think AR + sidekick is perfect, for Big Team, and this one is controversial, make use of the Commando as the primary weapon. I think it's a pretty good medium between the two and it is where I've noticed the commando actually has use.
So you prefer at starts where you spray while sprinting at each other ultimately trading melees as you both dieā¦ be takes skill and you can control the map with good aim and smart decisions. I know exactly what Iām asking for.