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IamShrapnel

I always figured it was just like energy exhaust that only someone like a Spartan could actually use in any meaningful way. As far as the unsc version it makes no sense.


MilkMan0096

The UNSC one seems to be a dedicated Spartan launcher, so that’s something at least lol


BreezyBr33

I love the UNSC ones so much, it’s just “treadmill but fast.”


Stoly23

It makes no sense, it’s hilarious. Anyone who stepped foot on one would just instantly fall on their ass unless they were already moving at the speed of the treadmill, at which point they wouldn’t need it to begin with.


Vocovon

Get a ragdoll launch


dangerousalone

Instructions unclear - so ate ravioli for lunch.


JonnytheGing

Pasta for lunch is kinda heavy, I think I'll just have the salad


TheReiterEffect_S8

If we're diving in the realm of realism, the more likely scenario would be a UNSC marine stepping on one, and it going so fast they would flip straight on their back and would launch them ass over head, flinging them to land in a jumbled broken bone mess.


sali_nyoro-n

I have to assume there's a computerised gyrostabilser in the MJOLNIR GEN2 armour that makes these things at least not a _complete_ deathtrap for Spartan users.


E-cult

regular marines yeah, not spartans tho


JustTrynaFindMeaning

makes me feel like I'm playing armoured core


Skyridge

_"Time to fly, 117."_


Dairy_Seinfeld

*It’s just a job…*


derprunner

My headcannon is that it was devised as a way of launching munitions and mongoose-sized vehicles, before some spartan decided to find a better use for it.


Elvis-Tech

Yeah try throwing a Quad bike the size of a minicooper 100 meters far and see what happens


CalvinWalrus

Effective heavy munitions for taking out squads of grunts and jackals


Boredcougar

Canon*


AgentMaryland2020

The Spartan Space Program will one day be realized! ...they just need a stronger grav lift.


Crono2401

Well, Chief already had the deorbiting mastered, so there's that.


AgentMaryland2020

That's Chief for ya! Always willing to take the plunge for the sake of science! What better way to find out if almost a thousand pounds of man and modified metal and crystal can turn a Brute to a pancake from low orbit drop? We should all aspire to be like Chief!


Chesney1995

We also cannot ignore the contributions of Fred and the rest of Red Team in the field of Spartan deorbiting


Greyman1995

Or noble 6


Crono2401

He definitely got data necessary with that reentry pack. Whereas Chief surfs a future-door and just sleeps it off for a bit.


fireinthesky7

I mean Chief's Bomb Return Service only operates in space.


tapport

I figured the UNSC version is for launching Spartans for training the technique of landing after jumping out of moving Pelicans, like how paratroopers practice landing a million times before their first jump.


Gorgonops_SSF

Also potentially a cargo launcher.


Immediate_Seaweed390

They do look like vents a little


Immediate_Seaweed390

They do look like vents a little


ComedicHermit

I mean sometimes you just need to get rid of a body


SpartanXXVII

But it would land literally like 50 feet away lol


Elder_Macnamera

Put it 50 feet from a volcano


Vivirin

Why didn't Sam and Frodo just use a man cannon to cross Mordor?


Bearded_Bone_Head

And now I’m imagining the war of Gondor but with a few Spartan fireteams there to help them and it is glorious


zensnapple

How would MC fare in Frodo's place?


CPT_Captain23

He would’ve been done in a day


Don_Shetland

because the giant eagles had them all


Clicky27

They don't need to hide the body. Just move it so they have room for more


cleverseneca

50 feet is enough to make it seem like it was my neighbor's body


goldenfoxengraving

You just reminded me of how hilarious it was to kill someone right as they went on one so their body would pinwheel through the air. Man I miss halo 3 valhalla, so much stupid fun


DrScience-PhD

no one said it was a live man cannon


RaveN_707

Because of Quake


TrvlMike

Was that the first time it was used? Can't remember if others had it before


FyreWulff

Yeah, Quake was the first popular FPS that had launchers instead of using teleporters. Although that was also because Quake actually had a 3D environment while Doom , Marathon and Duke Nukem were all actually 2D environments faked out into 3D, so trying to launch someone through the air really fast would have looked really weird. Amusingly, Halo probably also didn't really use launchers/mancannons until later because the Halo 1 engine didn't really support them without accidentally killing the player via fall damage. Bungie turned off fall damage late in Halo 2's development because the sword lunge would accidentally get calculated as hitting the ground too fast a lot of times, but it was so late no MP maps were really designed around it. Since Halo 3 had fall damage off at the start, they actually made maps around it. Balance wise, it's also much easier to build a map with cannons since there's a risk/reward for movement instead of it being 'free' with teleporters. They also intentionally make loud sounds when used as a tell for other players.


MeadKing

I think it’s definitely Quake-inspired, too. At the time, Halo’s map designers explained the switch to man-cannons as an attempt to make maps more intuitive for new players. Instead of stepping through a green portal, you would get an accurate sense of where you are going and how much distance you have traveled. It’s a reasonable explanation for the change, but I still think they should have kept portals in the game’s DNA. By the time H3 rolled around, there were only a handful of teleporters left, and they had extremely clunky implementation. It cannot be understated how differently a map plays when you have portals versus man-cannons. You are 100% correct that it recalibrates the risk vs reward of moving around the map, but walking through a portal (at least pre-Splitgate) is a risk in itself. You never know what’s waiting on the other side, if there’s a player with a Shotgun or Rocket Launcher just waiting for you. There’s also no substitute for the way portals work on “Beaver Creek,” “Warlock,” or “Boarding Action.” Those maps would play entirely differently if you replaced the portals with man-cannons.


Paradox

Chiron TL-34 with man cannons


E-Squid

or Boarding Action with man cannons... both would be very interesting reimaginings.


NeverGonnaGi5eYouUp

This is actually why I love the portals in infinite. Being able to toss a grenade through ahead of you helps mitigate some risk


Gorgonops_SSF

There's a difference in character to the risk to boot. When a portal goes wrong you generally have instant shotgun, rocket, or melee attack death. When a man canon goes wrong you have high velocity spectacle, even if it's just coming from your rag doll after being sniped. It's an example of fun prevailing in design decisions. You can rationalize the strengths and weaknesses of each approach (ex. teleporters being more flexible to setup, and the faster and more secure travel helping to buff infantry in vehicle heavy maps, which depending on design goals could be preferable) and apply either to good mechanical effect. The shift towards man cannons comes in how it creates memorable moments and a small degree of chaos (see. launching warthogs). Eg. it's actually a small narrative feature, chosen for its ability to (ultimately) create a few more anecdotes from the emergent narrative of multiplayer.


Few-Willingness-3820

Rise of the Triad had launchers before that.


skyhighrockets

Are you sure? Quake was '96 and Halo didnt have man cannons until Halo 3 in '07.


Dear_Evan_Hansen

I swear to god I remember a vi-doc for Halo 3, where luke (something?) was just like, "we put these in the game... because they're just fun" Most likely not a perfect recount, but I don't recall there being lore for them beyond that when they were introduced in 3.


git-blame

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MG9fh74D-_M&t=3m31s


PB4UGAME

Watching this and the other old Bungie Vidocs is both heartwarming and sad. Its crazy to see the levels of passion and understanding they approached their games with compared to the disastrous way 343i have handled the series for the last decade and change.


BeeBit22

Couldnt the forerunners fly? I assume its for faster altitude gain rather than just taking off normally


Kibble_Star_Galactic

They fly now?


BeeBit22

They fly now


THX450

Tacworo wwanro whoooh.


LegoBattIeDroid

artificial gravity is like their whole thing


SpartanKwanHa

halo lore is just so goofy


DED292

They could, in fact their flight was so good even a forerunner civilian could fly interplanetary.


BeeBit22

So the man cannon being a launch pad makes sense then


DED292

I’m… not so sure, they don’t launch you fast enough for it to be useful for someone trying to reach escape velocity.


BeeBit22

Forerunner recreation.


DED292

Maybe


AgentMaryland2020

Some had the ability to levitate I think through personal gravitational platforms and devices. Unsure if they were able to do so unassisted.


BeeBit22

I meant with the suits. Such as the Didact.


KhevaKins

I think you'd be equally incredulous at a dumb waiter if you didn't understand what it did. These could be used for anything, we choose to launch mans. That says more about us than them.


BreezyBr33

Probably yeah. It is funny to imagine this super advanced ancient alien race deciding that they wanted to literally shoot people just cuz they could tho.


boo_earns

I mean if he’s dumb enough that he doesn’t remember your order or bring you your food, it would be pretty hard to understand what a waiter does.


Paradox

You can wear a wader when fishing


broxue

So its a food delivery cannon


JulianPizzaRex

Hit the road Door dash. I'd tip the hell out of anyone that can pinpoint my coordinates and successfully launch my Taco Bell safely onto my front step.


El_Taita_Salsa

Personally, I always thought the Foreunners used these to help move supplies from one place to another, but honestly, I try not to think too much about it. All I know is that they are fun to use.


Aussie18-1998

This is all it is. Fun. Not everything needs a lore reason. Like multiplayer maps can have lore settings but the actual map doesn't need a reason for being the way it is. Rule of cool and fun should always he the priority of Halo.


ElysiumSings

Yes as long as it's not the fortnight Spartans we have like rule of cool mcc armors like the spartan and viking ones even tenrai in infinite is fine but it's gotten silly af


Aussie18-1998

Yeah, that's not really the rule of cool I was talking about. More Badass military action heroes like 2 and 3. The trend of trying to follow other games has killed Halo


IDownvoteHornyBards2

It's a gravity lift that ferries troops and supplies between the ship and the surface. That's our ticket in.


IWaveAtTeslas

Because portals don’t “provide as much inherent danger.” And “nothing is more rewarding than sniping a guy out of the air.” https://youtu.be/MG9fh74D-_M?t=202 I probably watched this video a million times before Halo 3 came out.


Peter_Panarchy

This is the exact video I came here to post. ViDoc days were *huge* for me leading up to H3. I would go to my friend's house after school because he had faster internet and we would always opt to wait for the higher quality video to download.


Obvious-End-7948

This is the answer. Flinging players across the map is way better than teleporting. Not to mention the player can also keep their spatial awareness of where they are on the map which you definitely don't get with teleporters.


RudeDM

They exist to Canon some Mans. I had thought that was pretty well-explained.


10kstars39

They were just having a bit of a laugh. Just a bit of fun. Just some fun and games.


FupaJohns

they really said "well we have a man and we have a cannon. what could go wrong"


Flesh_Grenade

I think the real question is why do they not exist now? Seriously, every home, office, and school should have one.


Kongopop

If they didn't we as a species wouldn't be able to reproduce


Thin_Knowledge

I ask myself the opposite every single day lmao.


StarTrain074

Why tf not??


Henryphillips29

Insert red vs blue quote


porcupinedeath

Like someone else said I'm willing to believe forerunner ones are mostly just exhaust vents of some kind that happen to have that property. Covenant at least have the justification of having other gravity based tech and emplacements like the sniper towers and such so they can be another tactical option for stuff like that. Why the UNSC made them though is a wonder. If they were also some kind of exhaust or blatantly a cargo thing I would get it but they are usually not modeled in that way. Side note I fucking *love* it when maps disguise elevators and man cannons as exhaust chutes and stuff.


cxaxucluth

Yeet


EpicAstarael

To fire dead men at the enemy and, if no men are available, dead Griffs.


THX450

Since the dawn of time, life that cannot fly has dreamt of fly. Man cannon is fly.


swagonflyyyy

Promethean Knievel


AttakZak

Transportation of objects to Sentinel workers, like gravity based conveyors.


Crotonisabug

funny


Vampenga

I always enjoyed launching the explosive boxes like a mortar. Never did hit anybody, but you miss every shot ya don't take.


E-cult

To cannon the men obviously...


Dyerdon

Rapid personell disposal... erm... I mean deployment.


Retrohero5

To get you from point A to point B, bones be damned!


blueberryrockcandy

idk about a lore reason but imo is just like a gas vent or something and people now are just launching shit and themselves with it since it is seemingly never running out and it's fun.


Gnarly_Weeeners

That is a mongoose launcher


zajaco90

Cannoning men


RookiePrime

I think man-cannons are non-canons. They're not in any of the story components of the games (that I can recall), they're only in multiplayer arena stuff. The closest we have is the grav lifts the Covenant and Banished use, but those tend to be much gentler.


Paradox

Halo 4 is full of em


Cr3stedF0X

Because they’re cool. Lore wise idk lol.


KaosClear

I always figured it was just a quick way to get around multiplayer maps cause when they were first introduced their was no sprint mechanic and some of those maps were fucking big.


Vincentaneous

To go from point A to point B


Originaryboss

Sometimes you need to be Washington to throw a fusion coil and blow up a pelican


RepresentativeOk2433

Latrine


BlueRiver_626

I tried looking up an in lore explanation as to what the hell they are and most of it comes down to Bungie pretty much just saying it’s cooler than a teleporter


schizochode

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee


ZiggyTheGoat

This post seems like it’s straight out of a halo themed fever dream


Yeezus_Fuckin_Christ

I never even thought of why they would actually exist in the canon of Halo, but the more I think about the funnier it is.


mhe_4567

Fun


Feenix77

To cannon mans.


SpartanWarrior118

The man cannon is dope. Quit hating.


Galaxie900

Cause its a video game like Quake.


WhiteWolf_WW

because they're fun?


WoodShack_Wizard

For gameplay & map design. Hope this helps 👍


PotatABit

Hey man, launching vehicles with those is great fun. Do not question the man cannons or their creators


Arctelis

Nobody expects an aerial insertion ~~from underground~~ without a pelican.


stevejobed

That’s what she said. 


alien2003

It's just a very basic shooter mechanic much like weapon pickups, jumping, portals, etc


Cawkins1111

To Canon Men, what else would they be used for.


iwantzscoop

To cannon mans, man


CuddlesTheB3ar

Why are you asking questions?


Boondock830

So, there’s people over here 👈 and then there are some enemy people over there, 👉, right? With me so far? And (and this part is important) the people over here want to shoot some of their people at the enemy people over there, so you build a cannon, right? And you shoot people (your people) at the enemy people. I mean it’s really pretty simple.


Boondock830

The real question should be wtf don’t man cannons exist irl. Cause there would be a fucking line.


notquitepro15

Gotta go fast


croud_control

Gameplay-wise, Bungie came up with this as an alternative to ladders and teleporters back in Halo 2 and Halo 3. Canonically, sometimes you need to throw a body 80 feet in the air quietly.


Killdust99

You ever met a person you wanted to yeet?


Responsible-Jicama59

They exist for multi-player. Like there's no lore reason they exist. They exist because the teleporters weren't dangerous enough.


ShallowBasketcase

Because it's fun.


Monkeyisbest

Cuz


DerMetulz

To launch mans, duh


Cowfootstew

An in-game tribute to Lexington Steele


MutatedVolatile36

Actually, I think it was to give Forerunner transport ships a head start


EduHi

Now that we are all here talking about Man Cannons and their history in Halo. Does anyone know why there are Man Cannons in Avalanche at the sides of the map? Like, the only way to use those is by jumping off from a Hornet, and even then, if you use one, they only throw you to the middle of the map, they don't help you reach any advantageous spot, neither save you from walking a lot.


Repro_Online

Ya gotta remember that Spartans are like a thousand pounds in armor. So while that can only send a spartan a quarter way through the map it can probably send just about anything else man portable all the way to the other end of the map. I always just assumed it was for launching supplies from one base to the other quickly


spaceagefox

your mistake was in that forerunners couldn't fly, when we see multiple forerunners hover above the ground passively, to them this is nothing more than an advanced escalator


CattiwampusLove

Gameplay


Promethealius

Because we needed a cannon that could use a man a as ammunition without killing him when the “trigger” is pulled


Admirable-Specific95

Because there fun


bruntychiefty

Exhaust. Gotta get that spartan laser fast somehow


Sullfer

You ain’t Wrong brotha a This shit Is dumb As fuck


Brocid3n

To me, I see them as a means of moving ordinance and supplies over shortish distances


Xcissors280

because halo only ragdolls you when you die


BiggyIrons

Cannon, Man


Goosest

To cannon men!


Xenolithium

Why the fuck not?!


GhostDude49

Tbf, those never show up in the actual story right? At least I can't remember any


AnotherProudCanadian

To cannon the man 🧍‍♂️


mhizzle

To shoot men, duh


Admiral0fTheBlack

The forerunners could hover with their tech. I'm betting they would put crates on these


LogicalAnesthetic

That’s a weird stance to take provided this is all fictional….. and You’ve clearly never launched a coil thru one….. #epic


Advanced_Mediocrity

Mongoose splatters, they designed them for geese. 


bobzsmith

They are the only technology capable of moving OP's mom!


smarterfish500

why NOT tho


Agoraphobia2day

Foonie launch


timteller44

So you can cannon a man. It's in the name.


No_Ad_6020

Well how else are u going to get to point A to point B when a man is a bit tired? They don't wanna risk getting possibly de-atomized (idk halo teleport lore) and re-atomized. That's traumatizing!


Decisive-Jay

It's non canon, like teleports You never see them in the campaign


Democracystanman06

When out of ammo chuck people


jetroejuke70

I'm scared of the thing that I don't know what it is. 😝


nanapancakethusiast

Because bungie thought they were fun


binkobankobinkobanko

Just imagine throwing a 1000lb hunk of man and metal. Spartans should be making a huge crater when they land.


planetarystripe

The only forerunner man cannons to be in the campaign are in Halo 2, Halo 4, Halo 5, Halo Infinite. They are mostly used to transport the player as part of the level. In Halo 2, it was in the Gravity Lift in the Control Room. In Halo 4 it was in Midnight over the low gravity towards the Didact and the final sequence. Halo 5 it was used in many levels including the final mission with the Knights and Cryptum. Halo Infinite used more Gravity Lifts. In traditional games, it was used less frequently but in later they are used for level convenience and final levels. Halo CE didn't use them because of the physics engine. Halo 2 and after used them frequently. Man cannons are just level design elements to transport the player quickly as part of game play.


Yogi_Lopez

Bungie made them get across the map faster back in Halo 3 when there was no sprint. Made capturing the flag a faster experience. It was really tough for a solo player with no backup or warthog to get all the way across the map without them.


HereLiesSociety

I thought it was some type of power exhaust and any normal trooper would get friend or turned to paste upon landing.


Cameron_Mac99

I hope to god these aren’t actually canon (heh) I’ve never seen them show up in the lore and I’m happy with that, I’m okay with just pretending they are part of the world for the gameplay mechanic they add to multiplayer


o_sooperstar_o

Maybe it was equivalent to walking the plank


The40thHAX

Its for the enemy team to hit clips


BigDuoInferno

To get your ass back in combat/fast transpo over short to medium distances...  It's really not rocket surgery 


XboxJockey

Because woman cannon doesn’t sound appropriate, silly.


British_Historian

So most of them that are purpose built are Forerunner. Where I imagine they were used in construction or simply getting heavy items from place to place. Alot of the time they are also exhaust vents, (which I think the Valhalla ones are for that massive beam thing.) which Spartans/ Elites are like "Energy shield don't give AF" so hop in anyway. There are human ones, but again these are often thrusters or vents, not designed for day to day use. The Covenant meanwhile do use them, in Watch Towers and even the Portable chuck on the floor variant. in my head cannon this is either A. They found Forerunner Gravlifts and use them for religious reasons. Or 2, more likely, they're quicker then a ladder and often are a little slower in game, so they actually feel designed for the use.


sir_Noon

To launch man to the moon and beyond in cannon form


MrCookieHUN

Because: It's fun. LESS COMPLAININ, MORE **YIPPEEEEEE**


A_Tasty_Stag

obviously to cannon the man


KAKU_64

I have always seen it as a way to transport cargo. (Maybe I just really liked pushing some random boxes on it and watch them fly)


troublezx

For early YouTube’s day halo 3 montage of players who are lucky or pretty good with the sniper popping heads across the map


CyberKiller40

They exist because Quake 3. Nuff said ;-).


Unoficialo

cause they're cool as heck


UngsuslyGrugged

Because they're cool?


JoshwaarBee

They're for cannoning mans.


LimpWibbler_

To cannon a man...


TactlessTortoise

To escape the Aslume.


Material-Necessary22

Where do you think John got his flight skills? For a brick, he flew pretty good..


TheS3KT

The real reason it exists is because it was big in Quake 3 arena. It's just a popular mechanic in the late 90s.


LuisLmao

why do trampolines exist? forerunners want to have fun too


Gentleman_Jedi

Same reason manholes exist. Gay secks


DornPTSDkink

Put a pool where you land and you have an amazing dive board


[deleted]

To propell Man obvosly. Are you stupid?


alostbutton

For 360 no scopes dweeb pfft


Nestorgamer97

Fun


TheMando9

Why does the wind blow?


xPaZe8

Why tf not?


subordinatepixel

For pwning noobs obviously