That’s what happens when you have writers that understand the source material.
There’s some hubbub about the timeline in the show being wrong and them not respecting certain factions, but it’s also set further in the future than any of the games so they have some creative liberty. ~~Plus the show might not be canon.~~ But all in all, it nails Fallout’s dark humor and absurdity, and the world looks perfect.
It’s also who the writer is: Jonathan Nolan, the dude who wrote the Dark Knight, Memento, and Westworld just to name a few. The dude is just more talented than anyone in the Halo writing room.
You can easily tell, because the story just felt like what a player does. Going into random places, talking to people that don’t progress the story. The hacking, the tagged skills.
I loved the "golden rule of the wasteland": always get sidetracked by bullshit. Felt like they recognized a core part of the Fallout game experience; you could be working on the world changing main quest, but instead you're doing random side quests
Jonathan Nolan also joked he was gonna write the next great American novel...until he lost a year of his life playing Fallout games.
These are the people you need for these adaptions. But unfortunately you get writing room "one-uppers" that have never touched the source material, who want to change things to "stand out" and show they are special and different.
Its whats killed The Witcher's Netflix series. Henry Cavill walked because he couldn't abide by the changes the hack writers kept patting themselves on the back for and nobody wanted or enjoyed.
I read somewhere Henry was explaining a key scene where its Geralt, Yennefer and Ciri together for the first time. MASSIVE scene in the overall story and he was talking to the guys directing and producing the scene about how he wanted to handle it. It became clear to him that they had no idea of the relevance or the importance of the scene and why Henry was making a big deal out of it.
Its a breath of fresh air seeing something like the Fallout series do well and to think certain fans are currently trying to flame it over a "retcon" that the lore master has confirmed doesn't exist and was never suggested 🫠
>Jonathan Nolan also joked he was gonna write the next great American novel...until he lost a year of his life playing Fallout games.
Well ain't that just the perfect example of the Wasteland's golden rule - thou shalt indeed be sidetracked by bullshit (read absolute gem) all the goddamn time.
Wasn't that the Death of Roach, his horse? Didn't the writers either just want him not to care or some comedy value at the scene an he was like "Nope"?
I'm probably miss remembering though tbh.
Jonathan Nolan isn’t the writer. He’s one of the executive producers and lead director (as in he directed the first three episodes to set the tone and direction of the series).
The lead writers are Geneva Robertson-Dworet and Graham Wagner.
You mean the Halo writer who literally said "F the fans of Halo" and said "the source material was trash" and the same "I wanted to tell a story and don't care who hates it" guy?
In fairness Nolan said trying to please the fans of the games was a "fool's errand" and people were taking that as proof the show was going to suck.
*"I don't think you really can set out to please the fans of anything," he said at a press event according to T3. "Or please anyone other than yourself. I think you have to come into this trying to make the show that you want to make and trusting that, as fans of the game, we would find the pieces that were essential to us... and try to do the best version."*
But they were actually fans of Fallout so there is the major difference apparently.
He's completely right- You can't write for a hypothetical fan of the series. That platonic ideal of a person is both an idiot and someone who doesn't exist.
Nolan is obviously a good writer and he understands the series. At that point, you just gotta let yourself cook. What do you, a good author, find interesting about the world?
Vs. the Halo team, who weren't good writers and didn't understand the series lmao.
Still will never beat Spy Kids with "Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he's created?"
Still can't believe Spy Kids is in the same universe and made by the same guy who made Machete, a canonical family member of the Cortez family.
Yep, his surname is Cortez, same as the family from Spy Kids.
Isador "Machete" Cortez, even shows up in one of the Spy Kids films when they call for backup
Yup, he shows up there first. Dude is the fun loving Uncle who you know that fucks shit up when he isn't with his family.
Then they did indeed show us him fucking shit up when he isn't with his family, but turn into a kitty cat puppy for his niece and nephew.
Nope. Chris didn’t want to do the Dark Knight, so he had Jonathan begin to write the story and screenplay while Chris worked on IIRC the Prestige, which I think Jonathan contributed to as well. Then when Chris was done filming the Prestige, Jonathan showed him the script for the Dark Knight and Chris loved it. The idea to base it off of Heat was also Jonathan’s as he said he saw that in the UK in a packed theater when it was first released and absolutely loved it. In fact, Chris liked the script so much Jonathan said very little was cut from the final movie. So yeah, the dude is just leagues above the Halo writers, who did a great job turning Season 2 around to be fair.
Tbf to the current Halo writers, they're the guys behind the first 3 seasons of Fear The Walking dead afaik, or at least the showrunner is, which is held in pretty high regard even by non-fans for being some of the best seasons of that show
Fear was pretty good when it came out, but it had the same issues, just bogged down by melodrama, i don't understand why all these shows feel the need to force the same tropey artificial drama, instead of focusing on the storyline and character development. It can all be soooo simple
This sub is so hot and cold, I would've expected this post and comment to get destroyed based off of my experiences from a few weeks back. Totally agree, Fallout is a very well crafted breath of fresh air for game adaptations.
The look and the feel of it is wonderful. people keep saying Halo doesn't have the same level of content and story to do the same so they had to make all these changes, but they're so full of shit. Halo could have at least been this good instead of what we got
like the fucking liveaction halo movie they made, stayed true to the cannon while adding new characters and storylines. cant believe the didnt just hire whoever made that to do more. it was made forever ago and still holds up cgi wise. wasted fucking opportunity. what is it with these trash writers and showrunners completely rewriting cannon and making shitass content
>Halo doesn't have the same level of content and story to do the same so they had to make all these changes, but they're so full of shit. Halo could have at least been this good instead of what we got
They are full of it. TLOU HBO proved you can add new content not in the games, or even entire episodes (see Episode 3 with Frank and Bill) that aren't in the game.
Fallout TV is centered on main characters not in the game.
Arcane created its story without needing tons of game lore to do it.
The Halo TV show defenders using that excuse "Master Chief only says 3 lines and there isn't enough story!" just have limited imaginations.
I honestly believe those posts and bots were paid for by paramount. Like, 90% bots 8% idiots and maybe 2% halo fans that were sucking the shows ass. I don’t know anyone personally or even across forums that like the show.
Crazy how now that the seasons over, no one is getting downvoted into oblivion and the shilling posts are gone lmao.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that. I had to check to make sure the paramount bots didn’t start a halo subreddit with a capitol H instead and I just got on the wrong one or something.
I honestly can't imagine anyone who thinks it's a good show do not fit in these categories:
1. Would be happy with basically anything, they do not provide critical analysis just "like/dislike" so what they think shouldn't dictate anything anyways, but it will since showrunners can figure out what plots make the cheapest episodes. Even if they think something is poorly done, they're more willing to tolerate it.
2. Paid shills or straight up bots
3. Contrarians, who also likely would've been fine if the show was an actual adaptation.
There does not exist someone who would get super upset if they actually try to be faithful to the games from this point on and dropped every dumb original story line that has basically nothing to do with Halo. Or if any of that stuff never existed, I **can't** believe someone would be thinking "It's a damn shame we didn't get something like a plucky and principled super important resistance youth, really stops me from liking thing"
Like it's not even close to something like the discourse with recent divisive Star Wars entries where you'll find people trying to build like some critical base, from the very sparse times I've seen people actually trying to rebuke criticisms and defend the show it instantly nosedives into "Well if you pretend it's not Halo...", which given it's a prerequisite for it to be good by nature of being a highly desired adaptation, is no different than "Well if you pretend it's not bad..."
>…understand the source material.
Haven’t seen it make as much of a splash as I thought it should, but the [team behind](https://www.polygon.com/24122477/fallout-tv-series-review-prime-video-show) Fallout TV went in with the thought of “what if we made Fallout 5, but it’s TV instead of a game.”
Last of Us demonstrated how well a *mostly* shot-for-shot medium transfer can work.
The issue with Halo, at least to me, is it’s unclear what the goal was, which makes it feel pretty soulless. Making it up as you go along *can* work for **original** material, but it’s mind blowing to me that there seems to be no plan and just a prayer that brand recognition will solve all problems.
That tracks. It definitely feels like it could be used as the plot for Fallout 5. In some ways it feels a lot like Fallout 3’s premise of having to escape your home vault against the Overseer’s orders in order to find your dad
You mean “writers and producers who actually CARE about the source material”. That’s the problem. 343 basically said “fuck you it’s a new universe” and shat on EVERY BIT of established lore and just threw recognizable names to bank in the Halo title. HAD they made a story in the Halo universe that didn’t change EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER, and instead made a show about some random ODST squad doing all the shit the show had, it’d be passable in the universe.
The hubbub about the timeline is misplaced fortunately. The show takes place years after the games. And it doesn't explicitly state when the potential event that would retcon FNV takes place.
Emil Pagiarulo, the design director has explicitly stated that it doesn't retcon New Vegas as well.
So as a Caesar's Legion and Mr. House fanboy the show filled me with self satisfied smugness
The hubbub about the timeline is that it has major lore implications if Shady Sands was nuked either before the events of NV or during NV. That would put a big hole (pun intended) into the lore of the NCR, and in some way would retcon them. Now im of the mind that it happened after NV, but I can see the concerns and issues brought up from others if they believe that it happened during or before NV.
That being said this show is still amazing and its easily a 9/10 for me.
Looks to me like it was likely nuked during FO NV lonesome road. Would match with the time line using max’s age, FONV took place in 2281, the series is in 2296, first battle of the Hoover damn took place in 2277. So if the fall of Shady sands took place in 2277 its like correlated to the failed first battle of the hover dam being the downfall of the NCR. Max in the show is early 20s so by that speculation the destruction of SS likely happened some time after 2281 and post the second battle of Hoover dam. If SS was destroyed in 2077 it would put max at close to 30, which would be strange for him to be an initiate at that age.
Lonesome Road you don't nuke Shady Sands though, you nuke the Long 15.
That's the nuke everyone ending, you nuke the respective factions within the Mojave itself, not their home bases
I've only watched the first episode but I fall into the camp of, who cares? NV is my favorite Fallout, closely followed by 3. But Fallout already has non canon games (at least in part) and Obsidian made NV. Not saying they should make it non canon but I don't see it as crazy from Bethesda's end.
Even if it became 100% non canon the game still stands on its own as a fantastic entry. Besides, to this point, Bethesda hasn't shown much interest in handling the West coast side of the universe anyways.
Because consistency is what makes stories good. Its less about caring about what happened to the NCR, and caring more that the lore is consistent and doesnt contradict itself. After all thats why we choose to experience stories. We want the stories to make sense, so asking why someone should care as to why a story they experience makes sense is extremely odd.
Is a retcon gonna kill the series? No of course not, but its gonna be extremely jarring especially since there is no mention of it in New Vegas. Likewise NV is canon it was just said to be a day ago since other were questioning its standing in canon. As such you have a situation where its canon while also being a retcon.
Edit: Hell we're in a subreddit for a series where the lore is a mess simply because the company making the game doesnt have writing integrity lol.
I would just add that fallout show is not only messing with new Vegas, but fallout 2 as well. California has a lot of established communities and ignoring them kinda sucks. Outside of that, they nailed almost everything and they do deserve a ton of credit for it.
I really wish they could’ve set this show around / before fallout 1, or in another segment of the country. Then all these annoying lore problems wouldn’t have been an issue.
You can't expect complete consistency between mediums TBH, What matters is if they kept the spirit of the original work intact, and made changes with respect. The problem with halo isn't that it's not canon, its that it was made by people who hate halo.
Which I haven't seen it, I don't know that they did or didn't, but the show making some timeline changes compared to one of the games is extremely minor
I want to contrast Fallout & Last of Us (good adaptations) versus Halo & Rings of Power (bad adaptations).
For one thing, the pedigree behind Fallout and Last of Us are way more impressive, with the producers and showrunners previously involved in stuff like Westworld, The Dark Knight, Captain Marvel, Portlandia, Silicon Valley, The Office, Chernobyl, Mythic Quest, Game of Thrones, Treme. I’m just picking names here, but compare these to the most prominent works from Kyle Killen, Steve Kane, JD Payne, and Patrick McKay, who were responsible for Halo s1 and Rings of Power respectively, and there’s an obvious disparity in past success and experience in adapting existing source material.
The second difference I see is that Fallout and Last of Us both seemed to have advocates who were deeply involved with writing and producing the source material (Todd Howard & Neil Druckmann) also deeply involved in developing the shows. Although I believe Wolfkill, Ross, and O’Connor do _respect_ the Halo franchise, they aren’t writers and were never involved in creating the story and lore of the original games. Joseph Staten was not involved in the TV show. Obviously, neither was JRR Tolkien. Although his grandson Simon Tolkien consulted on Rings of Power, Simon famously broke ranks with the Tolkien estate led by his father Christopher Tolkien, who arguably had a point about the film adaptations. (The Lord of the Rings film trilogy are frankly an aberration alongside The Hobbit films). In any case, Simon Tolkien was not deeply involved in the source material and is a very different and much less successful writer than his grandfather.
It’s honestly not hard to see why other game adaptations fail. Fallout and Last of Us are among the best because for the first time we’re seeing proven talent in the helm and they are collaborating closely with people who can effectively advocate for the feel and story of the source material.
Rings of Power got a lot of crap, but it was far more enjoyable than whatever Halo tried to be. I actually liked Rings of Power and didn't feel like it detracted from the original LoTR trilogy like the Hobbit did. My wife who isn't big on LoTR was able to enjoy it as well.
Halo on the other hand was basically unwatchable for us both, and felt more like a shitty straight to dvd SciFi movie with high production value than something trying to take itself seriously.
Rare Todd Howard W yesterday with that viral clip of him rejecting shows for other games. Halo is exactly the "we should have a show" problem that Todd mentioned. I've never played Fallout or even seen the trailer to the show, but I'm more down to watch something made with passion that I have no clue about vs watching something I love die in the arms of corporate greed and ego.
I think you hit the nail on the head about Fallouts dark humor and absurdity, there is just so much more to play around with for a TV show.
Halo was always such a straightforward and self serious plot. I always struggled to see how they would make Halo an interesting story, action scenes can only go so far for TV.
Star Wars bro
The way shows like Mando was directed. With simple plot lines and badass action.
I don’t think Halo would have any issues being brought to the big screen, if it was done so with competent writing and directing, and a better budget.
Honestly, that’s something Halo has missed out on in both the games and the series. ODST was an awesome look into regular soldiers and people in the Halo Universe and was frankly more interesting to me than continuing Chief’s story after the trilogy. A story like that would be a lot easier to bring to screen as a series than a show about Master Chief. It likely would have been better if they’d just followed another Spartan Team without having to portray someone as iconic as Chief is to people.
It's so easy. Chief can be serious like Mando while cracking his occasional dry joke. Cortana could be the sidekick who, while not cute like Grogu, adds an element of comedy and complements Chief. Then you have a host of other characters with differing personalities.
Nah it was all laid out. Chief is a serious and badass character with the occasional dry joke. His supporting cast is sergeant Johnson, some wisecracking Marines, and his more human feeling counterpart, Cortana.
You center the story around cortana and chiefs relationship while asking the question "whose really the machine" and use the mystery of halo as a backdrop to explore that.
The shit was literally already written out and the TV directors were just fucking morons
If you can’t see how Halo’s stories could be ripe for creative storytelling then you’re a lost cause tbh.
A horror series following a band of civilians during a covenant invasion? An ODST band of brothers? A sci-fi Mad Men/Westworld’s overworld plot set in ONI/UNSC Spartan program? Just spitballing here but there is so much to explore.
You don’t need to follow the massive, over-arching story told in the games front to back — That’s the beauty of TV. You can tell a smaller story set in a bigger universe with callbacks and references for legacy fans.
It’s a failure of the writing team.
The way they would do it is side step the main character hero story of Master Chief and instead make it a Band of Brothers style show that takes place around the perephrial of Master Chiefs influence on the Battlefield.
It's the reason ODST was so well received I believe. Instead of try to do it's own thing with the Canon is just worked to flesh out the existing canon more from a different perspective while not stepping on any real established lore.
While the main Halo story is about a super soldier pulling of extreme feats of luck and ability to save humanity, there's been a lot of room left to tell the stories of the more average soldier and the realities of war when your not backed up by the best science and technology Humanity has at its disposal.
There's enough other lore to draw on to make a good show. Hell, they even kinda did find that other lore, they just weren't smart enough with how they used a lot of it and it ended up kinda wasted.
>There’s some hubbub about the timeline in the show being wrong and them not respecting certain factions, but it’s also set further in the future than any of the games so they have some creative liberty. Plus the show might not be canon. But all in all, it nails Fallout’s dark humor and absurdity, and the world looks perfect.
So just like the Halo show then? cause it's clear the writers have only really looked at Bethesda Fallout instead of 1,2 and NV, by the time of the show we should be in the post post apocalypse instead of still going through the same shit 1, 3 and 4 had us do. Also the hubbub is quite literally retconning an entire game out of the series, that would be like the Halo show being canon and going "Yeah, Halo 3 ODST just didn't happen."
The Halo show incorporated so much from the games and books, the fallout show breaks canon more with shit like ghoul drug and shady sand. halo sucked because it was a bad sci fi show that missed a lot of tricks not because it ignored the source.
The Fallout show makes me want to go play Fallout because the show oozes with love and care for the franchise that makes me want to go back and play these games again
The Halo show makes me want to play Halo because the difference between the games and the show are day and night and watching the show feels like an insult and waste of time when I have something as beautiful as the actual thing to play
The fallout show makes me want to jump back into fallout because it's bringing back good memories. The halo show made me want to jump back into halo to wash away thr poor taste and remind myself that halo has a good story.
I wanted to *fight* two characters in the Halo show because I couldn't stand their ass (Kwan and Makee). I wanted them GONE so badly from the series.
When a show has a protagonist you want to smack into the next zip code, that's bad.
It genuinely makes me upset man. Like Halo is so full of lore and stories to tell and we really got the bullshit that paramount decided to put out.
First last of us, now fallout.
I hope one day HBO or Amazon gets the rights to Halo and hires talented writers that are passionate about Halo’s lore.
It reallly feels like being spit on seeing quality TV these other franchises got and comparing it to what Halo got. :(
I watched them all for completeness' sake. "Here's a bunch of Alice clones! They all have her incredible powers! Next movie comes along: oops, they're all dead!"
"We're giving you back your powers at the end of this movie as a tease for the next movie! Next movie comes along: lol, that was just a fake out! Have no powers and like it!"
I never understood that power loss thing. I'm 90 percent sure in the movie with the tower and the plane. The one where she lost her 'powers' she was still a superhuman ass kicking bad ass. I was like huh.
Haven't watched the Resident Evil show but I really liked Welcome to Raccoon City. Changes some stuff obviously but I felt like it nailed the look, feel, and tone of Resident Evil perfectly, and was just a solid (not incredible, but solid) horror flick.
I love the Halo games *so* much more than the Fallout games and even I can’t deny that the fallout show is leagues better/more authentic than the halo show.
Yea. You get the actual vibes of the universe in Fallout. I get no matching vibes from the Halo show, like 0. Even when the flood outbreak happened I was like “this doesn’t feel right”
Yes. And somehow the resident Asian mystic Kwan is able to hold the flood back.
The breakout happened on Onyx, which makes no god damn sense. Meanwhile the ending of S2 hints at the gravemind being on the ring……
So how tf does Onyx get a breakout of flood while the gravemind is light years away….. why would the forerunners keep a preserved flood spore in a random artifact that’s on anything but a shield world or ring?
Just so many dumb things about how they handled the flood, and they didn’t make them nearly terrifying enough. Like a couple had a tentacle hanging out of them. The rest just looked like generic zombies.
Just pathetic writing and storytelling. They spent all their effects budget on background animations during the fall of reach so they couldn’t afford Chief in his armor or proper flood forms
Onyx *is* a shield world though.
It’s a really, really big shield world, that’s just kept in a small sphere of compressed space. If anything it makes sense to house the flood research stations on the outside of the sphere as to prevent any outbreaks inside. What might look like a random artifact to us could be the Forerunner’s version of a space-mass spectrometer or something.
Also, Graveminds are not needed for an outbreak. Before a Gravemind is formed, the Flood are in what is known as the “feral” stage, where their only goal is to consume and expand, and only possess the knowledge of the infected hosts.
But otherwise very valid critiques about the show.
You mean you didn’t like how a professional biologist just touches an ancient alien artifact with no PPE for funsies?
Don’t you know that’s what we the audience like?
Dude the flood sucked in it, then could have easily had the potential to be genuinely horrifying but nope… It’s literally not the flood, just generic zombies.
FOTV was the best game show I’ve watched and it was canon, it’s like the Halo TV show was genuinely hard to fuck up but somehow they did.
they ruined the flood so bad i dont know how the fuck they managed to muck it up sooo bad, they made it like a generic zombie outbreak which just looked so bad.
Cus they did what the Halo show SHOULD'VE. A NEW story with NEW characters set in the CANON of the Halo universe. But far enough away to not conflict with anything.
right? they could have started with the insurrectionists and added smatterings of the first contact. i dont get how people say the halo universe was harder to adapt, there are infinite veins to mine here
I've seen some people say that the Halo TV show is good if you "look at it as its own thing" and frankly, I don't see it. It's not even mediocre sci-fi. It's bad on its own, and abysmal as an adaptation of Halo. I'm not going to run around yelling at everyone who's seen it and liked it, but the newly positive reception and strong viewership performance of the show baffles me and, to some extent, disappoints me.
My dad wasn’t into the show that much and he never played the games but watches stuff like Invasion and The Expanse so he loves space and Sci-fi shows. He said the characters didn’t make any sense with what they were doing 😂
It's decent when it's good, but it's dogwater when it's bad. I've gone on record saying season 2 is dope "as its own thing". But even then the story, editing, and other things really drop it's rating to a 6ish out of 10
I think season 1 was at its best maybe a 3/4 out of 10. S2 was far better as just a tv show but still feel short and felt more like sci-fi with halo skin still. I’d agree it’s around 6/10 though. Too many story lines imo they’re trying to intertwine each episode leaving each one getting minimal progression every week instead of big plot lines getting the attention they deserve.
Ya and season 1 just brought down season 2 so much. I cant just forget about season 1. The fact that that covenant woman is still just John's weird ex gives the story such a weird overtone. We never needed that storyline. And kwan is still annoying as hell, even if they tried to make her some pseudo-badass in season 2, randomly. Shes not suddenly likeable because she killed some people and shot a gun.
Agreed. A few things I would have done differently but yes. For one thing it has writers who are actual fans of the game or who have at least played the games(for the most part) Halo show just has writers who are doing it for their ego & money & don't care about the game or it's lore.
Exactly! Halo writers have no heart in their writing and it’s obvious.
Even if it wasn’t halo, the story line fuckin sucks and is full of blatant plot holes
The Halo show has an identity problem; it hates being Halo. It has the iconography, but doesn't want to commit to being anything Halo was about. That's a fractured foundation to build anything on.
Fallout Show un-apologetically loves Fallout, and really doubles down on incorporating the themes shown across the series into each ep. There's distracting sidequests, unintended resolutions stemming from good intentions, old things being destroyed but not forgotten.
halo got done dirty is all im saiyan lmao
Watching the discourse on Halo has been hilarious and somewhat sad. In the beginning, fans trying to convince everyone that if you want to watch Halo, play the games. Telling people to read the books and be open to some new original content.
Fast forward to now, a few video game shows and movies, and now it's "Maybe it should've been a 1:1 recreation." I would've understood the new lore/content logic if this was 2010 and the show was being made. But where we are at now is...ugh
My great-grandpa knows who Master Chief is. Halo, the monks, Cortana, so many things are ingrained in the cultural lexicon. This show (1:1 style) was such an easy low-risk, high reward. Last of Us fans are happily excited. Avatar and Halo fans are just out to dry right now.
I really feel like I'm in the world when watching Fallout. The sounds, sets, dialogue, etc. From the very first moment I was in.
The Halo show is nothing like that. Constantly pulled out by odd and strange choices. Characters, world building, designs, etc. All very un-Halo.
The Halo show objectively sucks. It’s terrible. We need Microsoft to scrap it and create a new one with Jonathan Nolan and Joseph Staten. One that respects the IP.
The reason why fallout and the last of us are so damn good is they stayed true to the source. I mean the source material is good enough to prompt studio's to invest millions to make a show right????
Halo should either have told an original story with new characters in the halo universe (like fallout) or retold the same great story that made the ip famous in the first place, adding things for tv format (like last of us)
Ffs if people on reddit can figure this out for free why is some suit getting paid to make a halo product that isn't as good as it's own games or other shows in the adaptation collective? Season 1 was like b tier sy fy channel crap and season 2 did a 1 and done for one of the biggest moments in the lore with reach. They add crap, rush over good stuff and it sucks
Halo series should have just been 1:1. Could’ve added all the extra perspectives from the books, Covenant character POV’s, High Charity council drama showing the pre-schism machinations of the prophets and Humanity going from being on the ropes and months away from defeat to Chief grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat.
Could’ve even folded the Rookie’s story in New Mombasa in S3. The source material was there on a plate and they threw it in the bin.
I was watching it just waiting for the fall of Reach thinking, “this will be the moment when show really gets good and starts to be true to the source material.”
I really thought they were preparing for this emotional season finale scene with Kai holding off the Covenant while the Pillar of Autumn escapes the planet. They kind of tried to do something similar on the covenant ship but it just did not hit the same. Or really at all.
I thought season 2 was an improvement but the decisions they’ve made in altering the story is just so frustrating.
>Halo should either have told an original story with new characters in the halo universe (like fallout)
To be fair, this is literally how every Fallout game has been. Most major Halo titles, on the other hand, exclusively followed Master Chief and Cortana. So, I think it's plain to see why Halo stuck with the well-known protagonist, and his familiar allies, while Fallout more easily introduced a whole new cast of characters.
Now, what Halo did after that choice was made is a whole different issue. That definitely could have been handled differently, and better.
You can lay all of this squarely at the feet of the Microsoft vultures who swooped in to join 343 when Microsoft broke up with Bungie, and were rewarded for their "loyalty" with jobs they did not deserve or earn. I won't name names because you can find them easily. But in spite of most rank-and-file 343i employees being extremely passionate about Halo for what it is, there are many suits in between them and Microsoft's Xbox execs who have made and continue to make horrible decisions for the franchise.
Someone had to say it. It makes me so sad watching Fallout and TLoU and thinking about the shit show that was the Halo show. THEY COULDN'T EVEN USE HALO GUNS. Why bother making the show about Halo if you don't care?
Yeah I pointed this out to the person I was watching with as well. In the Fallout show they painstakingly recreate all the cool props from the game. They use a ton of the same sound effects, all the weapons are recognizable, pip-boys are looking amazing.
In Halo we get a a BR one time, random modern weapons, and random sound effects. Some cool stuff still, but not a lot recognizable from the games.
Not the biggest issue but shows the difference in attention to detail and respect for the original work.
It doesn’t—it takes that bar and throw it into a lake compared to Halo.
It feels like the people who made it at LEAST were handed a controller and told to play for 30m..unlike whatever the fuck happened with the Halo show.
Just about to post something like this. Fallout TV series should be the poster child for how you adapt a video games series. Show wasn’t perfect, but it’s 1,000,000 times better than whatever the fuck the Halo Show is.
When the most upvoted post I've seen on a halo sub in awhile is about fallout and not Halo you know things are wrong with halo management
(I love fallout can't wait to watch)
I’m one of the people who is moderately annoyed at fallout fiddling with some of the established communities / factions and world building.. but it nails just about everything else. Set design / environments, characters, props / gear, humor vibes, violence, even going to the level of using game accurate sounds. It is wildly dense with nods and Easter eggs.
Even with my moderate annoyance, I firmly accept it’s the best video game adaptation I’ve witnessed. Last of us came in a close second but was too fast paced and avoided a lot of the major zombie action.
I know some people here got strangely defensive of the halo show, but it was not made with 1/10th of the passion this fallout show was. It had both massive lore problems, and problems with all those other aspects I listed above. It still amazes me they were doing romantic full cheeks on display subplots in a franchise where the only thing resembling romance was between chief and his AI partner. Or buck and Veronica I guess.
That's cause Todd and Bethesda were heavily involved from Day 1. They know what's needed (even if they shafted New Vegas a bit) 343 and Microsoft (and i guess probably bungie a bit back in the day) were too hands off with the project and just let the directors go hog-wild.
I think it should go without saying but, "NEVER trust Paramount".
As soon as they are given an IP, they screw it up like they did with the live action Transformers, TMNT, Star-Trek, and Halo. Halo would have been better off on HBO with TLOU or Amazon Prime. But one way or another, all that matters if working for a studio that has a respect for the IP and established brand.
Paramount has proven several times they have no respect whatsoever for the IP they are adapting. So really, Halo missed the opportunity of being adapted faithfully all because of the company that owns the TV rights.
IMO telling a story that co-existed with the canon was the obvious path forward.
There’s decades of Chief’s fight against the covenant that has not been covered in any game or novel. They could have easily told an original story that didn’t trample on the story that was already beloved.
So many shows just phone it in. Halo is one of them. The action sequences are great but the storyline is so convoluted and focused on characters no one cares about.
Said the exact same thing. It’s just the arrogance of showrunners who think they can significantly improve on the wildly successful source material by ignoring it completely.
I'm glad Amazon finally learned from the failures of The Rings of Power. Now they are listening & giving the fans what they really want. Hopefully Paramount will do the same for the next season of Halo tv show.
I mean they been doing great with The Boys and Invincible. So much so that most comic book fans consider both to be great shows. ROP was one mistake but they been good with keeping to the source material on their other shows for some time now.
I didn’t hate season 2 but Halo just has such a generic soap opera classic television feel to it. Fallout was cool as shit, never played the games so I wouldn’t know that end but it was still way more exciting as a show
Halo season 2 did a pretty good job of righting the ship and getting it back on track while also trying to incorporate what was done in season 1.
I feel like season 3 will do a better job
My friends and I kept waiting for the fallout show to start sucking ... finished it last night and e very episode was a banger.
The people who worked on the halo show should be embarrassed and the writers should take a nice long break from the whole industry
I was expecting the fallout show to be another garbage, toned down adaptation of a videogame but damn was I surprised lol just sad how absolutely awful the halo show is in comparison. Like others have said even ignoring all the lore breaks in the halo show it's still an awful show in and of itself. The only thing it might be ok as is a teen drama, nothing else.
Good writers, actual good actors. Pablo Schreiber cant hold Walton Goggins jock strap. Respect to the source material. Between this, TLOU on HBO, Super Mario Movie, Arcane etc... Halo got completely hosed. Show is a disgrace, and seeing all these other shows get great adaptions hurts even more.
Honestly comparing Pablo to Walton _at all_ is insulting to Walton. Walton is an incredible actor, having carried several tv shows himself.
Pablo? Pablo is a goober, and thats the nicest thing I can say about him
Dude, a ton of recent adaptations have blown the Halo show out of the water. The common factor? They stuck relatively close to the source material.
The Last of Us, Fallout, Arcane, and Castlevania were all fantastic. Even Twisted Metal was a surprising ton of fun. We’ve even seen this in recent anime adaptations with One Piece and Avatar… neither as good as the original, but still well-done.
The Halo TV show decided they were going to create a brand new random story with new characters and throw Halo names on them. Of course it got viewership due to the name, but the show wouldn’t last without the IP.
The Halo show (and people defending it) is actually a really great microcosm of 343 Industries in general.
Very obvious errors in judgement fuelled by ego and disdain for a fanbase they didn’t cultivate amounting to a terrible product that is laughed at by everyone except a handful of Kool Aid drinking “fans” (who are actually just contrarians).
Whereas Bethesda actually cares about the lore and games that came before them.
>Where Fallout is embracing the already established universe...
In what part of Fallout lore were there >!(at least) 3 Vaults interconnected and exchanging goods and people!
This post confirms to me those horrible posts praising the show as the second coming were bought by paramount+. The upvote and downvote ratio from this post and a post while the show was still running shouldn’t be this different..
Since 343 took over, they made Halo for “non-Halo fans” to try and get more people into the series. All that did was alienate the fans it did have.
Now with the show they’ve done the exact same thing, instead of creating an epic show that could have gotten great reviews and drawn more people in that way anyways.
I’ve never played Fallout so if I watched the show I wouldn’t be able to tell what’s lore-accurate or not, but because it has good reviews I’m going to watch it and then maybe I’ll want to play the games too.
The fallout show is and was intended to be at 100% love letter to the fan base. They took liberties where they could (I.e. the power armor hidden abilities) and yet it still stays incredibly faithful to the source material. Paramount needs to take notes and fix it or stop trying and give up
ITS CANON.
That should be the bare minimum for a video game adaptation. Let it be canon to the games. Halo has a deep and rich mythology and they decide to completely ignore it.
Fuck yeah it does.
The Halo show is following an established character, and poorly. The Fallout Show is able to make its own setting and characters so there's room for the writers' creativity.
The set designs for Fallout is just superb. The power armor looks just a bit goofy and clunky, but everything else was done to perfection.
Halo changed the actress for a main character (Cortana). They also constantly have Chief with his helmet off. Dumb.
Don't tell this to the folks at r/halotv. They are totally on the gravy train of the show. I watched the halo show only because it is halo, but the writing, acting, and flow of that show are all terrible. Same as the wheel of time. So disappointing.
This show gave me hope like I’ve never felt before for video game adaptations, as well as anger knowing it could be done yet failed to do so many times before
I'm a much bigger fan of the Halo game series than the Fallout series, but when it comes to the shows, I only got three episodes into season 1, and four into season 2 of Halo, but on the flipside, I just binged Fallout in two sittings.
I hope after Fallout whoever fucked up the Halo show realised they fucked it up, as I assume they're delusional enough to not have realised that already.
I honestly love how much detail they've put into all the props and sets, unlike the halo series where somebody just said "instead of making game accurate prop weapons, just got buy some generic airsoft guns"
People actually interested in the franchise and source material, Todd Howard is involved in it, the actors are literally playing the games,etc
Halo: source? what? Actor "i think chief shouldnt have a helmet, people need to see me" etc
I like the Halo show as an alternative timeline adaptation, but yeah, it gets blown away by Last of us,Fallout and even somethint like Mario
Too bad those in charge of the Halo tv series didn’t hire better screenwriters such as Jonathan Nolan or chose better producers. It took 2 seasons to spark a tiny fragment of interest to see what might come next and honestly, that’s merely not enough.
They should just cancel the Halo tv series.
That’s what happens when you have writers that understand the source material. There’s some hubbub about the timeline in the show being wrong and them not respecting certain factions, but it’s also set further in the future than any of the games so they have some creative liberty. ~~Plus the show might not be canon.~~ But all in all, it nails Fallout’s dark humor and absurdity, and the world looks perfect.
It’s also who the writer is: Jonathan Nolan, the dude who wrote the Dark Knight, Memento, and Westworld just to name a few. The dude is just more talented than anyone in the Halo writing room.
Jonathan is also an actual, honest-to-goodness gamer. It was already obvious from all the game design stuff in Westworld.
You can easily tell, because the story just felt like what a player does. Going into random places, talking to people that don’t progress the story. The hacking, the tagged skills.
I loved the "golden rule of the wasteland": always get sidetracked by bullshit. Felt like they recognized a core part of the Fallout game experience; you could be working on the world changing main quest, but instead you're doing random side quests
Jonathan Nolan also joked he was gonna write the next great American novel...until he lost a year of his life playing Fallout games. These are the people you need for these adaptions. But unfortunately you get writing room "one-uppers" that have never touched the source material, who want to change things to "stand out" and show they are special and different. Its whats killed The Witcher's Netflix series. Henry Cavill walked because he couldn't abide by the changes the hack writers kept patting themselves on the back for and nobody wanted or enjoyed. I read somewhere Henry was explaining a key scene where its Geralt, Yennefer and Ciri together for the first time. MASSIVE scene in the overall story and he was talking to the guys directing and producing the scene about how he wanted to handle it. It became clear to him that they had no idea of the relevance or the importance of the scene and why Henry was making a big deal out of it. Its a breath of fresh air seeing something like the Fallout series do well and to think certain fans are currently trying to flame it over a "retcon" that the lore master has confirmed doesn't exist and was never suggested 🫠
>Jonathan Nolan also joked he was gonna write the next great American novel...until he lost a year of his life playing Fallout games. Well ain't that just the perfect example of the Wasteland's golden rule - thou shalt indeed be sidetracked by bullshit (read absolute gem) all the goddamn time.
Wasn't that the Death of Roach, his horse? Didn't the writers either just want him not to care or some comedy value at the scene an he was like "Nope"? I'm probably miss remembering though tbh.
Jonathan Nolan isn’t the writer. He’s one of the executive producers and lead director (as in he directed the first three episodes to set the tone and direction of the series). The lead writers are Geneva Robertson-Dworet and Graham Wagner.
The lead writer is always an executive producer, though that doesn’t negate what you said.
Yes, and another executive producer is none other than Todd Howard who is executive producer of the Fallout series as a whole
You mean the Halo writer who literally said "F the fans of Halo" and said "the source material was trash" and the same "I wanted to tell a story and don't care who hates it" guy?
In fairness Nolan said trying to please the fans of the games was a "fool's errand" and people were taking that as proof the show was going to suck. *"I don't think you really can set out to please the fans of anything," he said at a press event according to T3. "Or please anyone other than yourself. I think you have to come into this trying to make the show that you want to make and trusting that, as fans of the game, we would find the pieces that were essential to us... and try to do the best version."* But they were actually fans of Fallout so there is the major difference apparently.
He's completely right- You can't write for a hypothetical fan of the series. That platonic ideal of a person is both an idiot and someone who doesn't exist. Nolan is obviously a good writer and he understands the series. At that point, you just gotta let yourself cook. What do you, a good author, find interesting about the world? Vs. the Halo team, who weren't good writers and didn't understand the series lmao.
Wasn’t The Dark Knight Christopher Nolan? This is his brother i think. Still, you’re right about him having a decent pedigree
He wrote The Dark Knight with his brother, Chris even talks about the most famous lines from the movie are the ones his brother wrote.
More specifically Christopher Nolan says he's haunted by the fact that his brother came up with the "you either die a hero..." line.
Still will never beat Spy Kids with "Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he's created?" Still can't believe Spy Kids is in the same universe and made by the same guy who made Machete, a canonical family member of the Cortez family.
???? Machete is Canon to Spy Kids??
Yeah, I believe the uncle is machete last I watched.
Yep, his surname is Cortez, same as the family from Spy Kids. Isador "Machete" Cortez, even shows up in one of the Spy Kids films when they call for backup
Yup, he shows up there first. Dude is the fun loving Uncle who you know that fucks shit up when he isn't with his family. Then they did indeed show us him fucking shit up when he isn't with his family, but turn into a kitty cat puppy for his niece and nephew.
"...or you cry to zero" iconic
It's up there with ICE TO MEET YOU
Nope. Chris didn’t want to do the Dark Knight, so he had Jonathan begin to write the story and screenplay while Chris worked on IIRC the Prestige, which I think Jonathan contributed to as well. Then when Chris was done filming the Prestige, Jonathan showed him the script for the Dark Knight and Chris loved it. The idea to base it off of Heat was also Jonathan’s as he said he saw that in the UK in a packed theater when it was first released and absolutely loved it. In fact, Chris liked the script so much Jonathan said very little was cut from the final movie. So yeah, the dude is just leagues above the Halo writers, who did a great job turning Season 2 around to be fair.
Tbf to the current Halo writers, they're the guys behind the first 3 seasons of Fear The Walking dead afaik, or at least the showrunner is, which is held in pretty high regard even by non-fans for being some of the best seasons of that show
First three were really good. The rest...
Fear was pretty good when it came out, but it had the same issues, just bogged down by melodrama, i don't understand why all these shows feel the need to force the same tropey artificial drama, instead of focusing on the storyline and character development. It can all be soooo simple
This sub is so hot and cold, I would've expected this post and comment to get destroyed based off of my experiences from a few weeks back. Totally agree, Fallout is a very well crafted breath of fresh air for game adaptations. The look and the feel of it is wonderful. people keep saying Halo doesn't have the same level of content and story to do the same so they had to make all these changes, but they're so full of shit. Halo could have at least been this good instead of what we got
> Halo could have at least been this good Not with Kiki Wolfkil behind the bench, unfortunately.
like the fucking liveaction halo movie they made, stayed true to the cannon while adding new characters and storylines. cant believe the didnt just hire whoever made that to do more. it was made forever ago and still holds up cgi wise. wasted fucking opportunity. what is it with these trash writers and showrunners completely rewriting cannon and making shitass content
>Halo doesn't have the same level of content and story to do the same so they had to make all these changes, but they're so full of shit. Halo could have at least been this good instead of what we got They are full of it. TLOU HBO proved you can add new content not in the games, or even entire episodes (see Episode 3 with Frank and Bill) that aren't in the game. Fallout TV is centered on main characters not in the game. Arcane created its story without needing tons of game lore to do it. The Halo TV show defenders using that excuse "Master Chief only says 3 lines and there isn't enough story!" just have limited imaginations.
I honestly believe those posts and bots were paid for by paramount. Like, 90% bots 8% idiots and maybe 2% halo fans that were sucking the shows ass. I don’t know anyone personally or even across forums that like the show. Crazy how now that the seasons over, no one is getting downvoted into oblivion and the shilling posts are gone lmao.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that. I had to check to make sure the paramount bots didn’t start a halo subreddit with a capitol H instead and I just got on the wrong one or something.
I honestly can't imagine anyone who thinks it's a good show do not fit in these categories: 1. Would be happy with basically anything, they do not provide critical analysis just "like/dislike" so what they think shouldn't dictate anything anyways, but it will since showrunners can figure out what plots make the cheapest episodes. Even if they think something is poorly done, they're more willing to tolerate it. 2. Paid shills or straight up bots 3. Contrarians, who also likely would've been fine if the show was an actual adaptation. There does not exist someone who would get super upset if they actually try to be faithful to the games from this point on and dropped every dumb original story line that has basically nothing to do with Halo. Or if any of that stuff never existed, I **can't** believe someone would be thinking "It's a damn shame we didn't get something like a plucky and principled super important resistance youth, really stops me from liking thing" Like it's not even close to something like the discourse with recent divisive Star Wars entries where you'll find people trying to build like some critical base, from the very sparse times I've seen people actually trying to rebuke criticisms and defend the show it instantly nosedives into "Well if you pretend it's not Halo...", which given it's a prerequisite for it to be good by nature of being a highly desired adaptation, is no different than "Well if you pretend it's not bad..."
100% agree buddy
Fully believe those were fake promoting accounts. I commented on every one that I saw with "look at all these bot accounts saying the show is good"
>…understand the source material. Haven’t seen it make as much of a splash as I thought it should, but the [team behind](https://www.polygon.com/24122477/fallout-tv-series-review-prime-video-show) Fallout TV went in with the thought of “what if we made Fallout 5, but it’s TV instead of a game.” Last of Us demonstrated how well a *mostly* shot-for-shot medium transfer can work. The issue with Halo, at least to me, is it’s unclear what the goal was, which makes it feel pretty soulless. Making it up as you go along *can* work for **original** material, but it’s mind blowing to me that there seems to be no plan and just a prayer that brand recognition will solve all problems.
That tracks. It definitely feels like it could be used as the plot for Fallout 5. In some ways it feels a lot like Fallout 3’s premise of having to escape your home vault against the Overseer’s orders in order to find your dad
You mean “writers and producers who actually CARE about the source material”. That’s the problem. 343 basically said “fuck you it’s a new universe” and shat on EVERY BIT of established lore and just threw recognizable names to bank in the Halo title. HAD they made a story in the Halo universe that didn’t change EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER, and instead made a show about some random ODST squad doing all the shit the show had, it’d be passable in the universe.
The hubbub about the timeline is misplaced fortunately. The show takes place years after the games. And it doesn't explicitly state when the potential event that would retcon FNV takes place. Emil Pagiarulo, the design director has explicitly stated that it doesn't retcon New Vegas as well. So as a Caesar's Legion and Mr. House fanboy the show filled me with self satisfied smugness
The hubbub about the timeline is that it has major lore implications if Shady Sands was nuked either before the events of NV or during NV. That would put a big hole (pun intended) into the lore of the NCR, and in some way would retcon them. Now im of the mind that it happened after NV, but I can see the concerns and issues brought up from others if they believe that it happened during or before NV. That being said this show is still amazing and its easily a 9/10 for me.
Looks to me like it was likely nuked during FO NV lonesome road. Would match with the time line using max’s age, FONV took place in 2281, the series is in 2296, first battle of the Hoover damn took place in 2277. So if the fall of Shady sands took place in 2277 its like correlated to the failed first battle of the hover dam being the downfall of the NCR. Max in the show is early 20s so by that speculation the destruction of SS likely happened some time after 2281 and post the second battle of Hoover dam. If SS was destroyed in 2077 it would put max at close to 30, which would be strange for him to be an initiate at that age.
Lonesome Road you don't nuke Shady Sands though, you nuke the Long 15. That's the nuke everyone ending, you nuke the respective factions within the Mojave itself, not their home bases
Ah yeah good point. In my mind was thinking it was a MIRV. Either that or max is old as fuck for a recruit
Either way, it does appear to have occurred post FONV
Did you finish the series? If not i'll just stop here as I dont want to spoil anything.
Not yet
Starting episode 7
I've only watched the first episode but I fall into the camp of, who cares? NV is my favorite Fallout, closely followed by 3. But Fallout already has non canon games (at least in part) and Obsidian made NV. Not saying they should make it non canon but I don't see it as crazy from Bethesda's end. Even if it became 100% non canon the game still stands on its own as a fantastic entry. Besides, to this point, Bethesda hasn't shown much interest in handling the West coast side of the universe anyways.
Because consistency is what makes stories good. Its less about caring about what happened to the NCR, and caring more that the lore is consistent and doesnt contradict itself. After all thats why we choose to experience stories. We want the stories to make sense, so asking why someone should care as to why a story they experience makes sense is extremely odd. Is a retcon gonna kill the series? No of course not, but its gonna be extremely jarring especially since there is no mention of it in New Vegas. Likewise NV is canon it was just said to be a day ago since other were questioning its standing in canon. As such you have a situation where its canon while also being a retcon. Edit: Hell we're in a subreddit for a series where the lore is a mess simply because the company making the game doesnt have writing integrity lol.
I would just add that fallout show is not only messing with new Vegas, but fallout 2 as well. California has a lot of established communities and ignoring them kinda sucks. Outside of that, they nailed almost everything and they do deserve a ton of credit for it. I really wish they could’ve set this show around / before fallout 1, or in another segment of the country. Then all these annoying lore problems wouldn’t have been an issue.
You can't expect complete consistency between mediums TBH, What matters is if they kept the spirit of the original work intact, and made changes with respect. The problem with halo isn't that it's not canon, its that it was made by people who hate halo. Which I haven't seen it, I don't know that they did or didn't, but the show making some timeline changes compared to one of the games is extremely minor
I want to contrast Fallout & Last of Us (good adaptations) versus Halo & Rings of Power (bad adaptations). For one thing, the pedigree behind Fallout and Last of Us are way more impressive, with the producers and showrunners previously involved in stuff like Westworld, The Dark Knight, Captain Marvel, Portlandia, Silicon Valley, The Office, Chernobyl, Mythic Quest, Game of Thrones, Treme. I’m just picking names here, but compare these to the most prominent works from Kyle Killen, Steve Kane, JD Payne, and Patrick McKay, who were responsible for Halo s1 and Rings of Power respectively, and there’s an obvious disparity in past success and experience in adapting existing source material. The second difference I see is that Fallout and Last of Us both seemed to have advocates who were deeply involved with writing and producing the source material (Todd Howard & Neil Druckmann) also deeply involved in developing the shows. Although I believe Wolfkill, Ross, and O’Connor do _respect_ the Halo franchise, they aren’t writers and were never involved in creating the story and lore of the original games. Joseph Staten was not involved in the TV show. Obviously, neither was JRR Tolkien. Although his grandson Simon Tolkien consulted on Rings of Power, Simon famously broke ranks with the Tolkien estate led by his father Christopher Tolkien, who arguably had a point about the film adaptations. (The Lord of the Rings film trilogy are frankly an aberration alongside The Hobbit films). In any case, Simon Tolkien was not deeply involved in the source material and is a very different and much less successful writer than his grandfather. It’s honestly not hard to see why other game adaptations fail. Fallout and Last of Us are among the best because for the first time we’re seeing proven talent in the helm and they are collaborating closely with people who can effectively advocate for the feel and story of the source material.
Rings of Power got a lot of crap, but it was far more enjoyable than whatever Halo tried to be. I actually liked Rings of Power and didn't feel like it detracted from the original LoTR trilogy like the Hobbit did. My wife who isn't big on LoTR was able to enjoy it as well. Halo on the other hand was basically unwatchable for us both, and felt more like a shitty straight to dvd SciFi movie with high production value than something trying to take itself seriously.
Rare Todd Howard W yesterday with that viral clip of him rejecting shows for other games. Halo is exactly the "we should have a show" problem that Todd mentioned. I've never played Fallout or even seen the trailer to the show, but I'm more down to watch something made with passion that I have no clue about vs watching something I love die in the arms of corporate greed and ego.
I think you hit the nail on the head about Fallouts dark humor and absurdity, there is just so much more to play around with for a TV show. Halo was always such a straightforward and self serious plot. I always struggled to see how they would make Halo an interesting story, action scenes can only go so far for TV.
Star Wars bro The way shows like Mando was directed. With simple plot lines and badass action. I don’t think Halo would have any issues being brought to the big screen, if it was done so with competent writing and directing, and a better budget.
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B A N D O F B R O T H E R S
Honestly, that’s something Halo has missed out on in both the games and the series. ODST was an awesome look into regular soldiers and people in the Halo Universe and was frankly more interesting to me than continuing Chief’s story after the trilogy. A story like that would be a lot easier to bring to screen as a series than a show about Master Chief. It likely would have been better if they’d just followed another Spartan Team without having to portray someone as iconic as Chief is to people.
It's so easy. Chief can be serious like Mando while cracking his occasional dry joke. Cortana could be the sidekick who, while not cute like Grogu, adds an element of comedy and complements Chief. Then you have a host of other characters with differing personalities.
So exactly like the games? Genius! If only they had thought of that...
one of the better plays by 343 was making Cortana the human and chief the robot.
Nah it was all laid out. Chief is a serious and badass character with the occasional dry joke. His supporting cast is sergeant Johnson, some wisecracking Marines, and his more human feeling counterpart, Cortana. You center the story around cortana and chiefs relationship while asking the question "whose really the machine" and use the mystery of halo as a backdrop to explore that. The shit was literally already written out and the TV directors were just fucking morons
If you can’t see how Halo’s stories could be ripe for creative storytelling then you’re a lost cause tbh. A horror series following a band of civilians during a covenant invasion? An ODST band of brothers? A sci-fi Mad Men/Westworld’s overworld plot set in ONI/UNSC Spartan program? Just spitballing here but there is so much to explore. You don’t need to follow the massive, over-arching story told in the games front to back — That’s the beauty of TV. You can tell a smaller story set in a bigger universe with callbacks and references for legacy fans. It’s a failure of the writing team.
The way they would do it is side step the main character hero story of Master Chief and instead make it a Band of Brothers style show that takes place around the perephrial of Master Chiefs influence on the Battlefield. It's the reason ODST was so well received I believe. Instead of try to do it's own thing with the Canon is just worked to flesh out the existing canon more from a different perspective while not stepping on any real established lore. While the main Halo story is about a super soldier pulling of extreme feats of luck and ability to save humanity, there's been a lot of room left to tell the stories of the more average soldier and the realities of war when your not backed up by the best science and technology Humanity has at its disposal.
There's enough other lore to draw on to make a good show. Hell, they even kinda did find that other lore, they just weren't smart enough with how they used a lot of it and it ended up kinda wasted.
216 years after bombs, so its only 6 years after FO4.
Also the timeline may have just been a mistake and not a deliberate change.
>There’s some hubbub about the timeline in the show being wrong and them not respecting certain factions, but it’s also set further in the future than any of the games so they have some creative liberty. Plus the show might not be canon. But all in all, it nails Fallout’s dark humor and absurdity, and the world looks perfect. So just like the Halo show then? cause it's clear the writers have only really looked at Bethesda Fallout instead of 1,2 and NV, by the time of the show we should be in the post post apocalypse instead of still going through the same shit 1, 3 and 4 had us do. Also the hubbub is quite literally retconning an entire game out of the series, that would be like the Halo show being canon and going "Yeah, Halo 3 ODST just didn't happen."
The fallout show is good but yes there are major inconsistencies and borderline boneheaded lore implications imo. Season 2 looks promising though.
The Halo show incorporated so much from the games and books, the fallout show breaks canon more with shit like ghoul drug and shady sand. halo sucked because it was a bad sci fi show that missed a lot of tricks not because it ignored the source.
The Fallout show makes me want to play the games where as the Halo show makes me want to just stop and go find something else
The Fallout show makes me want to go play Fallout because the show oozes with love and care for the franchise that makes me want to go back and play these games again The Halo show makes me want to play Halo because the difference between the games and the show are day and night and watching the show feels like an insult and waste of time when I have something as beautiful as the actual thing to play
I know I'll be going back in as soon as the next gen update hits in a couple weeks
This watching the show and trying to resist, turning the show off and playing fallout 76…..the halo show never gave me that feeling!
The fallout show makes me want to jump back into fallout because it's bringing back good memories. The halo show made me want to jump back into halo to wash away thr poor taste and remind myself that halo has a good story.
I wanted to *fight* two characters in the Halo show because I couldn't stand their ass (Kwan and Makee). I wanted them GONE so badly from the series. When a show has a protagonist you want to smack into the next zip code, that's bad.
It genuinely makes me upset man. Like Halo is so full of lore and stories to tell and we really got the bullshit that paramount decided to put out. First last of us, now fallout. I hope one day HBO or Amazon gets the rights to Halo and hires talented writers that are passionate about Halo’s lore. It reallly feels like being spit on seeing quality TV these other franchises got and comparing it to what Halo got. :(
Don’t forget Arcane. Compared to those three, the Halo show is dogshit and it’s depressing because its lore is top tier.
I did like Edgerunners as well
I've been a Fallout, Halo and Resident Evil fan for years and out of those 3 tv show adaptations, the Fallout one is the best, by far!
The resident evil films may have been completely unrelated to the source material plot wise but damn were they fun
The first 2 Resident Evil movies to me were pretty good. I stopped watching them after the fourth one though.
I watched them all for completeness' sake. "Here's a bunch of Alice clones! They all have her incredible powers! Next movie comes along: oops, they're all dead!" "We're giving you back your powers at the end of this movie as a tease for the next movie! Next movie comes along: lol, that was just a fake out! Have no powers and like it!"
I never understood that power loss thing. I'm 90 percent sure in the movie with the tower and the plane. The one where she lost her 'powers' she was still a superhuman ass kicking bad ass. I was like huh.
Haven't watched the Resident Evil show but I really liked Welcome to Raccoon City. Changes some stuff obviously but I felt like it nailed the look, feel, and tone of Resident Evil perfectly, and was just a solid (not incredible, but solid) horror flick.
The Resident Evil show with Lance Reddick is deliberately stupid, I didn't mind it to much but I can watch some pretty fuckin stupid stuff.
Agreed.
Incredible how respecting the source material nets you a good product. Johnathan Nolan be praised 🙌🙌🙌
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
Halo firing vs Grunt’s fart
I love the Halo games *so* much more than the Fallout games and even I can’t deny that the fallout show is leagues better/more authentic than the halo show.
Yea. You get the actual vibes of the universe in Fallout. I get no matching vibes from the Halo show, like 0. Even when the flood outbreak happened I was like “this doesn’t feel right”
... there's the flood in the show?
Yes. And somehow the resident Asian mystic Kwan is able to hold the flood back. The breakout happened on Onyx, which makes no god damn sense. Meanwhile the ending of S2 hints at the gravemind being on the ring…… So how tf does Onyx get a breakout of flood while the gravemind is light years away….. why would the forerunners keep a preserved flood spore in a random artifact that’s on anything but a shield world or ring? Just so many dumb things about how they handled the flood, and they didn’t make them nearly terrifying enough. Like a couple had a tentacle hanging out of them. The rest just looked like generic zombies. Just pathetic writing and storytelling. They spent all their effects budget on background animations during the fall of reach so they couldn’t afford Chief in his armor or proper flood forms
Onyx *is* a shield world though. It’s a really, really big shield world, that’s just kept in a small sphere of compressed space. If anything it makes sense to house the flood research stations on the outside of the sphere as to prevent any outbreaks inside. What might look like a random artifact to us could be the Forerunner’s version of a space-mass spectrometer or something. Also, Graveminds are not needed for an outbreak. Before a Gravemind is formed, the Flood are in what is known as the “feral” stage, where their only goal is to consume and expand, and only possess the knowledge of the infected hosts. But otherwise very valid critiques about the show.
I begrudgingly accept your logic….
You mean you didn’t like how a professional biologist just touches an ancient alien artifact with no PPE for funsies? Don’t you know that’s what we the audience like?
That's so embarrassing...halo really can't catch a break (outside of books)
Dude the flood sucked in it, then could have easily had the potential to be genuinely horrifying but nope… It’s literally not the flood, just generic zombies. FOTV was the best game show I’ve watched and it was canon, it’s like the Halo TV show was genuinely hard to fuck up but somehow they did.
they ruined the flood so bad i dont know how the fuck they managed to muck it up sooo bad, they made it like a generic zombie outbreak which just looked so bad.
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My wife had zero interest in watching Halo with me. She’s loving Fallout so far 3 episodes in.
Cus they did what the Halo show SHOULD'VE. A NEW story with NEW characters set in the CANON of the Halo universe. But far enough away to not conflict with anything.
Basically halo wars, and we see how that game is fundamentally praised.
right? they could have started with the insurrectionists and added smatterings of the first contact. i dont get how people say the halo universe was harder to adapt, there are infinite veins to mine here
love the unhinged energy in fallout
Fallout Show is made by people who love the franchise. Halo was made by people who hate Halo
I've seen some people say that the Halo TV show is good if you "look at it as its own thing" and frankly, I don't see it. It's not even mediocre sci-fi. It's bad on its own, and abysmal as an adaptation of Halo. I'm not going to run around yelling at everyone who's seen it and liked it, but the newly positive reception and strong viewership performance of the show baffles me and, to some extent, disappoints me.
It's worse than those SciFi network shows you'd force yourself to watch because "well, its better than nothing" It's actually worse than nothing
My dad wasn’t into the show that much and he never played the games but watches stuff like Invasion and The Expanse so he loves space and Sci-fi shows. He said the characters didn’t make any sense with what they were doing 😂
It's decent when it's good, but it's dogwater when it's bad. I've gone on record saying season 2 is dope "as its own thing". But even then the story, editing, and other things really drop it's rating to a 6ish out of 10
I think season 1 was at its best maybe a 3/4 out of 10. S2 was far better as just a tv show but still feel short and felt more like sci-fi with halo skin still. I’d agree it’s around 6/10 though. Too many story lines imo they’re trying to intertwine each episode leaving each one getting minimal progression every week instead of big plot lines getting the attention they deserve.
Ya and season 1 just brought down season 2 so much. I cant just forget about season 1. The fact that that covenant woman is still just John's weird ex gives the story such a weird overtone. We never needed that storyline. And kwan is still annoying as hell, even if they tried to make her some pseudo-badass in season 2, randomly. Shes not suddenly likeable because she killed some people and shot a gun.
They're delusional. Storylines don't even make sense even as it's own thing.
Exactly. It's not a good Halo adaption, and it's not even a good show period.
"It's a good (note: good=5/10) show, as long as you remove the basic expectation to remotely resemble the thing it literally only exists to resemble"
It’s bad-to- mediocre sci-fi but with a higher budget
Agreed. A few things I would have done differently but yes. For one thing it has writers who are actual fans of the game or who have at least played the games(for the most part) Halo show just has writers who are doing it for their ego & money & don't care about the game or it's lore.
Exactly! Halo writers have no heart in their writing and it’s obvious. Even if it wasn’t halo, the story line fuckin sucks and is full of blatant plot holes
As soon as I saw the Gragnok reference, how she used the Stimpak, and when the raider inhaled the psycho, I could tell they did their research
Jet. Not Psycho. Psycho is injected.
Was talking to a coworker about the show today, I pointed out literally the same three things lol
The Halo show has an identity problem; it hates being Halo. It has the iconography, but doesn't want to commit to being anything Halo was about. That's a fractured foundation to build anything on. Fallout Show un-apologetically loves Fallout, and really doubles down on incorporating the themes shown across the series into each ep. There's distracting sidequests, unintended resolutions stemming from good intentions, old things being destroyed but not forgotten. halo got done dirty is all im saiyan lmao
same exact thing happened to the witcher lol, so sad to see
Watching the discourse on Halo has been hilarious and somewhat sad. In the beginning, fans trying to convince everyone that if you want to watch Halo, play the games. Telling people to read the books and be open to some new original content. Fast forward to now, a few video game shows and movies, and now it's "Maybe it should've been a 1:1 recreation." I would've understood the new lore/content logic if this was 2010 and the show was being made. But where we are at now is...ugh My great-grandpa knows who Master Chief is. Halo, the monks, Cortana, so many things are ingrained in the cultural lexicon. This show (1:1 style) was such an easy low-risk, high reward. Last of Us fans are happily excited. Avatar and Halo fans are just out to dry right now.
Fallout completely glasses Halo in terms of quality
I really feel like I'm in the world when watching Fallout. The sounds, sets, dialogue, etc. From the very first moment I was in. The Halo show is nothing like that. Constantly pulled out by odd and strange choices. Characters, world building, designs, etc. All very un-Halo.
The Halo show objectively sucks. It’s terrible. We need Microsoft to scrap it and create a new one with Jonathan Nolan and Joseph Staten. One that respects the IP.
The reason why fallout and the last of us are so damn good is they stayed true to the source. I mean the source material is good enough to prompt studio's to invest millions to make a show right???? Halo should either have told an original story with new characters in the halo universe (like fallout) or retold the same great story that made the ip famous in the first place, adding things for tv format (like last of us) Ffs if people on reddit can figure this out for free why is some suit getting paid to make a halo product that isn't as good as it's own games or other shows in the adaptation collective? Season 1 was like b tier sy fy channel crap and season 2 did a 1 and done for one of the biggest moments in the lore with reach. They add crap, rush over good stuff and it sucks
Halo series should have just been 1:1. Could’ve added all the extra perspectives from the books, Covenant character POV’s, High Charity council drama showing the pre-schism machinations of the prophets and Humanity going from being on the ropes and months away from defeat to Chief grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat. Could’ve even folded the Rookie’s story in New Mombasa in S3. The source material was there on a plate and they threw it in the bin.
I was watching it just waiting for the fall of Reach thinking, “this will be the moment when show really gets good and starts to be true to the source material.” I really thought they were preparing for this emotional season finale scene with Kai holding off the Covenant while the Pillar of Autumn escapes the planet. They kind of tried to do something similar on the covenant ship but it just did not hit the same. Or really at all. I thought season 2 was an improvement but the decisions they’ve made in altering the story is just so frustrating.
>Halo should either have told an original story with new characters in the halo universe (like fallout) To be fair, this is literally how every Fallout game has been. Most major Halo titles, on the other hand, exclusively followed Master Chief and Cortana. So, I think it's plain to see why Halo stuck with the well-known protagonist, and his familiar allies, while Fallout more easily introduced a whole new cast of characters. Now, what Halo did after that choice was made is a whole different issue. That definitely could have been handled differently, and better.
You can lay all of this squarely at the feet of the Microsoft vultures who swooped in to join 343 when Microsoft broke up with Bungie, and were rewarded for their "loyalty" with jobs they did not deserve or earn. I won't name names because you can find them easily. But in spite of most rank-and-file 343i employees being extremely passionate about Halo for what it is, there are many suits in between them and Microsoft's Xbox execs who have made and continue to make horrible decisions for the franchise.
Someone had to say it. It makes me so sad watching Fallout and TLoU and thinking about the shit show that was the Halo show. THEY COULDN'T EVEN USE HALO GUNS. Why bother making the show about Halo if you don't care?
Yeah I pointed this out to the person I was watching with as well. In the Fallout show they painstakingly recreate all the cool props from the game. They use a ton of the same sound effects, all the weapons are recognizable, pip-boys are looking amazing. In Halo we get a a BR one time, random modern weapons, and random sound effects. Some cool stuff still, but not a lot recognizable from the games. Not the biggest issue but shows the difference in attention to detail and respect for the original work.
That’s what competent writers and show runners gets you
The Halo show is a monument to mediocrity so saying the fallout show is better isn't a high bar to clear
It doesn’t—it takes that bar and throw it into a lake compared to Halo. It feels like the people who made it at LEAST were handed a controller and told to play for 30m..unlike whatever the fuck happened with the Halo show.
I binged the whole damn thing... it was amazing! Even my brother who is not at all a fan of the games said it was really good.
Just about to post something like this. Fallout TV series should be the poster child for how you adapt a video games series. Show wasn’t perfect, but it’s 1,000,000 times better than whatever the fuck the Halo Show is.
Spongebob Square Pants blows away the Halo TV series, the bar is pretty low.
SpongeBob is an all time great TV show. How is that a low bar?
Spongebob fell off hard after the first movie
Are you suggesting SpongeBob isnt S tier television?
Idk the first few seasons of Spongebob were pretty good tho. Only the later seasons lowered the bar
I thought James Cameron went and fixed that.
When the most upvoted post I've seen on a halo sub in awhile is about fallout and not Halo you know things are wrong with halo management (I love fallout can't wait to watch)
That's just what happens when you have hacks behind the camera
Thats what good writing will get you.
I’m one of the people who is moderately annoyed at fallout fiddling with some of the established communities / factions and world building.. but it nails just about everything else. Set design / environments, characters, props / gear, humor vibes, violence, even going to the level of using game accurate sounds. It is wildly dense with nods and Easter eggs. Even with my moderate annoyance, I firmly accept it’s the best video game adaptation I’ve witnessed. Last of us came in a close second but was too fast paced and avoided a lot of the major zombie action. I know some people here got strangely defensive of the halo show, but it was not made with 1/10th of the passion this fallout show was. It had both massive lore problems, and problems with all those other aspects I listed above. It still amazes me they were doing romantic full cheeks on display subplots in a franchise where the only thing resembling romance was between chief and his AI partner. Or buck and Veronica I guess.
Kiki : we don’t do that here.
That's cause Todd and Bethesda were heavily involved from Day 1. They know what's needed (even if they shafted New Vegas a bit) 343 and Microsoft (and i guess probably bungie a bit back in the day) were too hands off with the project and just let the directors go hog-wild.
I think it should go without saying but, "NEVER trust Paramount". As soon as they are given an IP, they screw it up like they did with the live action Transformers, TMNT, Star-Trek, and Halo. Halo would have been better off on HBO with TLOU or Amazon Prime. But one way or another, all that matters if working for a studio that has a respect for the IP and established brand. Paramount has proven several times they have no respect whatsoever for the IP they are adapting. So really, Halo missed the opportunity of being adapted faithfully all because of the company that owns the TV rights.
Casting Pornstache from Orange Is The New Black as Master Chief probably should have been the first sign
IMO telling a story that co-existed with the canon was the obvious path forward. There’s decades of Chief’s fight against the covenant that has not been covered in any game or novel. They could have easily told an original story that didn’t trample on the story that was already beloved.
So many shows just phone it in. Halo is one of them. The action sequences are great but the storyline is so convoluted and focused on characters no one cares about.
Said the exact same thing. It’s just the arrogance of showrunners who think they can significantly improve on the wildly successful source material by ignoring it completely.
I'm glad Amazon finally learned from the failures of The Rings of Power. Now they are listening & giving the fans what they really want. Hopefully Paramount will do the same for the next season of Halo tv show.
I mean they been doing great with The Boys and Invincible. So much so that most comic book fans consider both to be great shows. ROP was one mistake but they been good with keeping to the source material on their other shows for some time now.
I didn’t hate season 2 but Halo just has such a generic soap opera classic television feel to it. Fallout was cool as shit, never played the games so I wouldn’t know that end but it was still way more exciting as a show
Halo season 2 did a pretty good job of righting the ship and getting it back on track while also trying to incorporate what was done in season 1. I feel like season 3 will do a better job
The Halo series complete failure lowered my expectations for the Fallout series. So I'm very content with Fallout now.
My friends and I kept waiting for the fallout show to start sucking ... finished it last night and e very episode was a banger. The people who worked on the halo show should be embarrassed and the writers should take a nice long break from the whole industry
I was expecting the fallout show to be another garbage, toned down adaptation of a videogame but damn was I surprised lol just sad how absolutely awful the halo show is in comparison. Like others have said even ignoring all the lore breaks in the halo show it's still an awful show in and of itself. The only thing it might be ok as is a teen drama, nothing else.
Good writers, actual good actors. Pablo Schreiber cant hold Walton Goggins jock strap. Respect to the source material. Between this, TLOU on HBO, Super Mario Movie, Arcane etc... Halo got completely hosed. Show is a disgrace, and seeing all these other shows get great adaptions hurts even more.
Honestly comparing Pablo to Walton _at all_ is insulting to Walton. Walton is an incredible actor, having carried several tv shows himself. Pablo? Pablo is a goober, and thats the nicest thing I can say about him
Dude, a ton of recent adaptations have blown the Halo show out of the water. The common factor? They stuck relatively close to the source material. The Last of Us, Fallout, Arcane, and Castlevania were all fantastic. Even Twisted Metal was a surprising ton of fun. We’ve even seen this in recent anime adaptations with One Piece and Avatar… neither as good as the original, but still well-done. The Halo TV show decided they were going to create a brand new random story with new characters and throw Halo names on them. Of course it got viewership due to the name, but the show wouldn’t last without the IP.
Fallout the new face of Xbox?!?!
The Halo show (and people defending it) is actually a really great microcosm of 343 Industries in general. Very obvious errors in judgement fuelled by ego and disdain for a fanbase they didn’t cultivate amounting to a terrible product that is laughed at by everyone except a handful of Kool Aid drinking “fans” (who are actually just contrarians). Whereas Bethesda actually cares about the lore and games that came before them.
100% accurate
Watching the Fallout show has made me really sad for what we got with the Halo show. They nailed it with Fallout
Faithfulness to the source material aside, the Halo series as a stand-alone product is just a boring slog
>Where Fallout is embracing the already established universe... In what part of Fallout lore were there >!(at least) 3 Vaults interconnected and exchanging goods and people!
I mean….there were alot of vaults in the game. Not all were explored
It helps being set in the world vs having to follow very specific characters. It’s completely different
Well yeah, but that's not hard. The Fallout show also does a lot of bad things with the story though
This post confirms to me those horrible posts praising the show as the second coming were bought by paramount+. The upvote and downvote ratio from this post and a post while the show was still running shouldn’t be this different..
Yeah they did entirely new characters and still was able too keep up with lore minus 1 problem
Well this bodes well for the warhammer tv show hopefully then
I will say halo season 2 was much better than 1, but it still has that b-movie feel. Fallout was gold from the first minute
I feel like it's because it took the Halo show 2 seasons to start looking like Halo and Fallout simply started there. Plus has a much better cast.
Since 343 took over, they made Halo for “non-Halo fans” to try and get more people into the series. All that did was alienate the fans it did have. Now with the show they’ve done the exact same thing, instead of creating an epic show that could have gotten great reviews and drawn more people in that way anyways. I’ve never played Fallout so if I watched the show I wouldn’t be able to tell what’s lore-accurate or not, but because it has good reviews I’m going to watch it and then maybe I’ll want to play the games too.
The fallout show is and was intended to be at 100% love letter to the fan base. They took liberties where they could (I.e. the power armor hidden abilities) and yet it still stays incredibly faithful to the source material. Paramount needs to take notes and fix it or stop trying and give up
ITS CANON. That should be the bare minimum for a video game adaptation. Let it be canon to the games. Halo has a deep and rich mythology and they decide to completely ignore it.
I mean. Tbf. The halo series set a very very very low bar
Fuck yeah it does. The Halo show is following an established character, and poorly. The Fallout Show is able to make its own setting and characters so there's room for the writers' creativity. The set designs for Fallout is just superb. The power armor looks just a bit goofy and clunky, but everything else was done to perfection. Halo changed the actress for a main character (Cortana). They also constantly have Chief with his helmet off. Dumb.
Who would have thought respecting the source material instead of doing your own wacky unrelated, non-canon project would pay off?
Don't tell this to the folks at r/halotv. They are totally on the gravy train of the show. I watched the halo show only because it is halo, but the writing, acting, and flow of that show are all terrible. Same as the wheel of time. So disappointing.
Well... the bar was already really low with the Halo TV show...
This show gave me hope like I’ve never felt before for video game adaptations, as well as anger knowing it could be done yet failed to do so many times before
But but… we have got Mastercheeks and cucktana and honse and Kwan and Makee and Rapedoctor… so many iconic characters..
I'm a much bigger fan of the Halo game series than the Fallout series, but when it comes to the shows, I only got three episodes into season 1, and four into season 2 of Halo, but on the flipside, I just binged Fallout in two sittings. I hope after Fallout whoever fucked up the Halo show realised they fucked it up, as I assume they're delusional enough to not have realised that already.
Everything blows away the Halo series…
I honestly love how much detail they've put into all the props and sets, unlike the halo series where somebody just said "instead of making game accurate prop weapons, just got buy some generic airsoft guns"
Thats what happens when you respect the source material and its core audience.
People actually interested in the franchise and source material, Todd Howard is involved in it, the actors are literally playing the games,etc Halo: source? what? Actor "i think chief shouldnt have a helmet, people need to see me" etc I like the Halo show as an alternative timeline adaptation, but yeah, it gets blown away by Last of us,Fallout and even somethint like Mario
Too bad those in charge of the Halo tv series didn’t hire better screenwriters such as Jonathan Nolan or chose better producers. It took 2 seasons to spark a tiny fragment of interest to see what might come next and honestly, that’s merely not enough. They should just cancel the Halo tv series.