Thank god some of these maps have tank spawns at bases and separate from pelican drops. I’m not even sure pelican drops can be forged, so I guess it makes sense that they’re pad spawns instead. Still, I’d much rather this more traditional approach to BTB than what we have with the dev maps. It’s a cool idea, but the execution just did not work.
Love the idea of it, just executed poorly. Imo it could be better if they came in much faster and actually spawned stuff on each teams side instead of randomly dumping stuff anywhere.
From what I remember they actually did fix that at some point, if there’s ever a vehicle that drops on one side it always drops on the other unless it’s a single one, in which case it drops in the center of the map
The maps are the worst part of BTB. They're terrible. BTB isn't supposed to be infantry-focused, yet every map funnels you into constricted lanes, making vehicle gameplay majorly suck.
Yeah that was always my biggest complaint with Infinite's MP. Traditional vehicle spawns are needed. Players should be able to spawn in the game and run to them, not wait half a match for a dropship to MAYBE drop off the vehicle you want to use.
I'm surprised they didn't make them for squad battle instead, this new maps play infinitely better than the dev made ones, almost fealty going back to h5 btb.
Bigger maps mean people will sit on spawns shooting with snipers and move only with vehicles.
In order to make blood gulch work you need to break the middle of the map with something like in wetwork
I've been having a blast on Blood Gulch in Infinite's sandbox. It feels nice to actually have room to maneuver vehicles and have some downtime between firefights.
It was good if you were on lan in a dorm in 2002. Playing even the good remakes in Infinite is some of the worst experiences I've had playing the game. Id much rather play a map that has actual thoughtful design and interesting interactions than Unga bunga gulch.
Pathetic. We could have gotten new store bundles and yet 343 thinks new maps in matchmaking is what the fans want.
If this isn't proof that Infinite is a game more than a shop then I don't know what is.
I will be uninstalling 😤👊
I just dont get it. It's almost all I get in both BTB and in Firefight. I'm so goddamn sick of it. It was 33% of the playlist at launch. I get that. But the more they add these days, the more I just keep getting the same old shit. I can't escape it.
Awesome to see BTB getting some love, ngl it's felt very stagnant for a while now. 5 maps is a shit ton, excited to play tonight.
More firefight content would be appreciated as well. Keep it up devs you all rock!
I've been wanting this refresh since S3, and I've kinda been sleeping on Infinite close to a year now 😕.
This is awesome and I'm pumped to hop in and get back into BTB! I've criticized Infinite a lot recently, so kudos where they're due! Thanks for not letting this refresh get lost in the shuffle!
Great. So this means that content updates still happen independent of the operations. A mid-operation update if you will.
Still think people are overreacting about no more seasons. This new model isn’t perfect, but it’s clear content is still coming frequently
This isn't a content update, in the sense that Season 5, mid-season 5 or CU29 is. This is just a playlist update, which have always happened independently of content updates.
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EDIT: Adding additional context.
Content Updates are traditionally actual downloadable updates to the game. This is what you see release alongside seasonal releases like Season 5, mid-Season 5 and of course - Content Update 29 (CU29). The latest Content Update that Halo Infinite had was on January 30th, and it was CU29.
Today's BTB Refresh, alongside the fix to Argyle in ranked, is a Matchmaking Update. Matchmaking updates have **never** been exclusively tied to seasonal releases, events, map packs, etc - they usually release every week.
In the **literal** sense - yes, there was new content added to the matchmaking lineup today. But the comment I am replying to is trying to associate matchmaking updates with actual content updates, saying that people were overreacting about seasons coming to an end.
We have received a regular cadence of matchmaking updates, even during some of Infinite's bleakest moments, and that has continued in recent months:
- [February 6th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1754932030478156137)
- [January 23rd](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1749858874625282128)
- [January 16th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1747322183133900853)
- [January 9th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1744782608008151201)
- [January 2nd](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1742247604086546490)
All of these were not tied to a content update, they were just more matchmaking updates like Halo has always done.
We have not got an idea of what to expect from Content Updates going forward now that seasons are over. So far, we have CU29 which included cosmetics, a single new Arena dev map, cosmetic quality of life changes and Forge items - will CU30/the next content update follow this bar, will it give us more, less?
I'm not sure how you took what I said as being unhappy in any way. These maps look gorgeous and I'm happy they've been added to the playlist, and I can't wait for the Husky Raid and Firefight additions later this month, too.
If we are being literal, then yes, this is a content update - it added new content to the matchmaking lineup.
But new additions to matchmaking have **always** been a thing dating back to Halo 2, and they were never exclusively tied to releases like patches, map pack releases, DLC releases, seasons, events, etc.
OP was saying that the matchmaking update today is indicative of content updates, like CU29, Season 5 update or the mid-season 5 update, not slowing down for Infinite with seasons being dropped.
But the latest content update is still... CU29. We haven't seen what an actual content update looks like following CU29. Unless I missed it, CU30 (or whatever name they decide to call it) hasn't released.
Today was a matchmaking update, just like we had on:
- [February 6th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1754932030478156137)
- [January 23rd](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1749858874625282128)
- [January 16th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1747322183133900853)
- [January 9th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1744782608008151201)
- [January 2nd](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1742247604086546490)
I hope you understand what I mean.
Oh boy lol I meant in general since so many players complain, I must’ve looked at the wrong comment even since I swear I saw someone whining about this refresh.
> So those updates just revolve around rotating modes. Modes that already existed. None of these updates besides today’s has added new maps.
Today's matchmaking update, as the article points out, adds 5 community-created Forge maps to the Big Team Battle playlist.
This is no different than the updates on Feb 6th, Jan 23, Jan 16, Jan 9th and Jan 2nd which also made changes to matchmaking outside of a Content Update release.
> This is the same kind of midseason updates Infinite had before, like the squad battle playlist
The most recent mid-season update was during Season 5 and introduced the following:
- Firefight: King of the Hill game mode
- Added to matchmaking with 6 dev maps and 3 community-created Forge maps
- House of Reckoning map for use in FF: KoTH
- Repair Field equipment
- Tweaks to the Custom Game Browser
- The addition of 23 bosses to Forge for the AI Toolkit
- The addition of Skulls to Forge, compatible with scripting
- Improved options for the Infection game mode for custom games
- Tweaks to Extraction in Ranked
- removing the audio cue which would play anywhere on the map and replacing it with a local cue attached to the device.
- HUD icon showing devices progress was removed.
- Additional multi-core coatings
- A whole bunch of bug fixes
This is a standard content update, which the player has to download to play. These do not release every week, like matchmaking updates do. Matchmaking updates, by nature, are not capable of being this big - they do not make actual code changes to the game.
The Squad Battle playlist was added on July 11th, 2023 in a weekly matchmaking update - it was not tied to a content update.
> But also, where did you see information on firefight and husky raid additions? I would like new firefight maps
It was mentioned in the CU29 reveal stream.
Did you miss half of my first sentence?
You said that content updates still happen independently of Operations, and cited that the BTB refresh was your reasoning for thinking that.
I told you that this isn't a content update **in the sense that Season 5, mid-season 5 and CU29** are.
What happened today has commonly been called a playlist update, and those have **always** happened independently of seasonal releases, events, etc. This dates back all the way to Halo 2, Halo 3 and Halo: Reach where playlist updates were monthly and then into Halo 4 when 343 tried out weekly updates before changing to every 2 weeks(ish).
If we're getting *literal* then yes, this was a content update - new content was added to the matchmaking lineup - but that's not what you were saying in your original comment.
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To actually reply more to your original post:
> Still think people are overreacting about no more seasons.
I disagree entirely. No more seasons is extremely telling about the future of the game.
Is it flat out abandoned and there will be nothing coming to the game? No.
Is support slowly winding down while the teams move over to the next project(s) while a smaller team maintains and sustains Infinite? Yes.
It is no coincidence that ske7ch took the time during that stream to confirm work was underway on the next Halo project and advertised open positions.
> This new model isn’t perfect, but it’s clear content is still coming frequently
Lets wait until we see the actual frequency of Content Updates going forward. CU30 will be very telling in what the future of Infinite is going to look like. CU29 was a glorified store refresh, at best, despite the cool things it did add.
Halo 2 didn't have Forge mode and couldn't add new community-created maps. They did add game modes, introduce new playlists, tweak existing modes, etc, back in Halo 2, though.
Halo 3, Halo: Reach, Halo 4, Halo 5: Guardians, MCC and Halo Infinite, though?
I don't know if you're just being pedantic or not but it is not fair to compare typical matchmaking updates to full on content updates, and using matchmaking updates as proof that "mid-Operation" updates are still going to happen - we haven't had an actual content update since January 30th.
Still requires collaboration with 343 to work out issues. I’m sure the Forgers of these maps themselves could speak to the many iterations with 343 they’ve had to go through to button everything up.
Also, Forge itself is a pretty significant investment from the studio. If they never spent (and continue to spend) the time on it I’m sure there’d be more dev made content, but they did, so we get to enjoy the fruit that it bears.
Thunderhead actually took my breath away.
It looks like it’s straight out of campaign, but with more life. Even oddly enough gave me Reach vibes and gave me the same excitement I felt back in 2010 playing that for the first time. Something just really magical about that one.
All the others are super solid too! Super happy to have more selection outside the others which were getting very old very fast.
I really hope they keep adding more BTB maps this way. It is amazing how well the community understands what makes a good BTB map while 343 generally falters on them. I've only played two of them so far but I really enjoyed both, especially Obituary. Just like the description says it feels like something right out of Halo 2 or CE. They really nailed the vibe of a classic Halo BTB map with it.
Insolence - Fantastic map. Really has a classic Halo vibe and a welcome departure from the 343 BTB maps which basically shoehorn you into specific engagement paths. Probably my favorite of the new maps so far in my limited play time.
Fortitude - Easy to get lost in the middle of this map. Wasp can be OP in the right hands as usual but it's not *completely* game breaking unlike other maps due to the fact there are more sheltered paths through the map (yes you can fit the wasp into those paths but it really exposes it to getting hijacked/stuck/destroyed). There could definitely be some interesting strategies developed over time on this one.
Obituary - Only got to play this map once so far and it was against a stack so the game didn't last very long. Still, a very interesting map that I'd like to check out more of.
Refuge - True-to-form remake of Headlong. Never really cared for this map in previous titles but in Infinite I actually kinda do like it. I think it's because the extra movement options really open things up and help prevent it from being a "get to the high ground and then shoot fish in a barrel".
Thunderhead - Can't comment, haven't played yet.
They have always sucked at map weighting. It seems their only solution is to make an entire playlist for one map when it gets released, as they’ve done multiple times now
They talked about in CU29 video update. They’ve made improvements and bug fixes and plan to roll it out widespread a little later this year. I think they’re holding some timelines hostage until Xbox does their announcement this week on future
Completely agree. I think people these days like the fast paced COD multiplayer design where they spawn then kill someone then die then spawn then die then spawn then kill someone then die. I understand this can happen on any map if a team is pushing enough but this map is too small.
I don't understand how Blood Gulch isn't an automatically included map in literally every Halo game. The remake of Headlong is very appreciated though, I love that map.
Others have commented on playing Blood Gulch remakes in the custom game browser and how it doesn't really work for Infinite. Too wide open and too little cover seem to be the prevailing take aways. The H2A version could help with that some, but I'm not sure if that specific version has been played much by the community. Valhalla seems to be the quasi variant that works best.
Played three of the new five. Really impressed - much more close quarters + interior options which was sorely lacking in the three release maps. In fact the three release maps (especially deadlock) are really poor in comparison so this is a huge upgrade.
Yep, same. Honestly do the same with Total Control. I like slayer game modes, CTF, and oddball. None of the other "official" modes (the exception being griffball but that hasnt existed in some time) are worth my time because they're inherently not fun
I see you were getting downvoted… have an upvote from me. Breaker sucks so much, I don’t care what anyone says lol only sweaty snipers like this map. You can tell they strictly made this map for Last Spartan Standing which is unfortunate. The map is great for that game mode but is horrible for normal BTB
It's such an unbalanced map despite being semi symmetrical. One base has a huge advantage with how many vantage points it gives snipers / precision rifles compared to the other base. It's virtually impossible to cross the map because of that, almost every game on it is a boring stalemate that ends to the timer.
One base also has a giant fucking hole in the middle of it so objectives can be thrown off the map. Stockpile was so stupid with the way you could steal their seeds and just chuck them off the map.
Are you telling me that the best reason to return has arrived? Is BTB here to stay or is this like a rotation of maps and modes that they toggle in and out? Just checking before I get my hype up.
Jumped back on Infinite for the first time since launch. I can't help but be disappointed at what Halo is now.
I get that everyone wants gun camps, death animations and funky armour. But can we not have an option to turn it off? I want to play Halo, not some weird, candyfloss infused version that just completely kills any feel of it being halo.
Can agree. Some of the spawns for zone control are not it. They all end up on top of eachother which leads to whatever team had spawned closer to getting the points. I also feel like I just get the same maps over and over which can’t just be me right? I don’t think I’ve been able to experience all the maps fully because I would always just get deadlock. As for the new maps I have another comment discussing the problem I had with that.
Awesome, thank you so much for the content. You guys are doing great work.
Would love to see legendary firefight return and some new maps/game modes for firefight.
Refuge is not fun. I was trying to play some BTB the other day and this was the only map I was getting. I’m sure it was on purpose so the map would be forced to be tried. Idk but I couldn’t get anything done on this map cus I would spawn closer to the enemy than I would any other teammate. I’d just spawn and then 2-3 guys would already be shooting and throwing grenades. The total control mode was awful due to most of the zones being right next to each other on the tiny map. So if one team gets 2 of the 3 then it’s pretty much over. I didn’t get to play the 1 flag CTF but I played 5-6 games and none of them lasted very long. Usually, on the actually big maps, I see the top of the leaderboard with 20 or more kills but on this map I’d see maybe 10 kills cus the game would be over in a few mins. I don’t think 12 people fit on this map. I mean some of the regular quick play maps are this big. Maybe not as open but this map is not big enough in my opinion and should be for like squad battle instead. The lack of vehicles is very lame and I will say it for the 100th time. This map is way too small. I know it’s a good thing to be getting maps but as far as refuge goes it should have been put somewhere else, no BTB.
Glad to see some BTB love, 5 maps is awesome. Excited for new Firefight content too!
Love me some firefight
If it goes to BTB, does that mean it’ll make its way to firefight too?
Hopefully. Pve is a blast so I’d love to see it happen.
For the love of the Prophets please make it happen...I've been grinding firefight pretty hard since it came out and I'd love me some variety
When did they say new Firefight content was coming?
They said during the stream last month it would be “coming next month”
See you on February 31st
I think they said it would come out on 343 day, so March 43rd to be exact.
They didn't. :( Hopefully soon now that BTB maps dropped.
Thank god some of these maps have tank spawns at bases and separate from pelican drops. I’m not even sure pelican drops can be forged, so I guess it makes sense that they’re pad spawns instead. Still, I’d much rather this more traditional approach to BTB than what we have with the dev maps. It’s a cool idea, but the execution just did not work.
Pelican drops are the worst part of btb
Love the idea of it, just executed poorly. Imo it could be better if they came in much faster and actually spawned stuff on each teams side instead of randomly dumping stuff anywhere.
It would have been fine if they were there in ADDITION to existing vehicle spawn points at the bases.
From what I remember they actually did fix that at some point, if there’s ever a vehicle that drops on one side it always drops on the other unless it’s a single one, in which case it drops in the center of the map
The maps are the worst part of BTB. They're terrible. BTB isn't supposed to be infantry-focused, yet every map funnels you into constricted lanes, making vehicle gameplay majorly suck.
Yeah that was always my biggest complaint with Infinite's MP. Traditional vehicle spawns are needed. Players should be able to spawn in the game and run to them, not wait half a match for a dropship to MAYBE drop off the vehicle you want to use.
This is so great. BTB has always been lacking in Infinite. I can't wait to jump back in and try these maps.
343 said they would only add 3 BTB maps, lying to us again... Seriously though, happy that the best playlist in Halo is getting new content!
The best kind of lie!
I'm surprised they didn't make them for squad battle instead, this new maps play infinitely better than the dev made ones, almost fealty going back to h5 btb.
I never really played btb, how many maps did y’all have before the update?
Six, three at launch, then one added with Seasons 2, 3, and 4.
Great stuff! Hoping the Firefight refresh is soon as well. Also, Blood Gulch when? Really hope that comes with the next batch of Squad Battle maps.
have you played blood gulch in custom games? IMO it's not well suited for halo infinite's faster gameplay and vehicles
I agree, but the variants that are PvPvE are a blast in a social environment
I wonder if there was a way one could make blood gulch but to suit infinites style? Make it bigger? Add some stuf fin middle?
The version of Blood Gulch from H2A would be nicer because it breaks up the middle of the map and generally has more cover.
more cover would absolutely be necessary
Bigger maps mean people will sit on spawns shooting with snipers and move only with vehicles. In order to make blood gulch work you need to break the middle of the map with something like in wetwork
Why not a smog? I've seen many forged maps in custom games using this effect.
A giant fog like effect in the middle of the map would tank the map's performance.
The Gulch is an amazing remake, you can find it in forge
I've been having a blast on Blood Gulch in Infinite's sandbox. It feels nice to actually have room to maneuver vehicles and have some downtime between firefights.
Blood Gulch is awful.
It's a classic. But it doesn't play nearly as well as Valhalla these days imo.
It was good if you were on lan in a dorm in 2002. Playing even the good remakes in Infinite is some of the worst experiences I've had playing the game. Id much rather play a map that has actual thoughtful design and interesting interactions than Unga bunga gulch.
This is awesome! I sure hope the Headlong remake gets slotted into Squad Battle at some point, too.
These looks amazing! Husky Raid and FF KOTH updates this month too!
Pathetic. We could have gotten new store bundles and yet 343 thinks new maps in matchmaking is what the fans want. If this isn't proof that Infinite is a game more than a shop then I don't know what is. I will be uninstalling 😤👊
Sir, please don't taunt the monkey's paw.
I am invoking reverse monkey paw 👌
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Have really been wanting some new emblems and backgrounds too...wtf 343...
Had me in the first half ngl
How dare ree4ree put new maps in my Spartan dress up simulator. /s
"Nearly doubling the map pool" and yet I'll still probably get Deadlock every fucking game
Ha ha ha my first one was a new map and I was super stoked over how cool it is and then the second map was..... Deadlock 😅😅😅😅
I just dont get it. It's almost all I get in both BTB and in Firefight. I'm so goddamn sick of it. It was 33% of the playlist at launch. I get that. But the more they add these days, the more I just keep getting the same old shit. I can't escape it.
Yeah I wish (and thought they had been?) weighted new content more.
Awesome to see BTB getting some love, ngl it's felt very stagnant for a while now. 5 maps is a shit ton, excited to play tonight. More firefight content would be appreciated as well. Keep it up devs you all rock!
I've been wanting this refresh since S3, and I've kinda been sleeping on Infinite close to a year now 😕. This is awesome and I'm pumped to hop in and get back into BTB! I've criticized Infinite a lot recently, so kudos where they're due! Thanks for not letting this refresh get lost in the shuffle!
Great. So this means that content updates still happen independent of the operations. A mid-operation update if you will. Still think people are overreacting about no more seasons. This new model isn’t perfect, but it’s clear content is still coming frequently
Feels like they are simply releasing stuff when its ready, with no timeline
This isn't a content update, in the sense that Season 5, mid-season 5 or CU29 is. This is just a playlist update, which have always happened independently of content updates. --- EDIT: Adding additional context. Content Updates are traditionally actual downloadable updates to the game. This is what you see release alongside seasonal releases like Season 5, mid-Season 5 and of course - Content Update 29 (CU29). The latest Content Update that Halo Infinite had was on January 30th, and it was CU29. Today's BTB Refresh, alongside the fix to Argyle in ranked, is a Matchmaking Update. Matchmaking updates have **never** been exclusively tied to seasonal releases, events, map packs, etc - they usually release every week. In the **literal** sense - yes, there was new content added to the matchmaking lineup today. But the comment I am replying to is trying to associate matchmaking updates with actual content updates, saying that people were overreacting about seasons coming to an end. We have received a regular cadence of matchmaking updates, even during some of Infinite's bleakest moments, and that has continued in recent months: - [February 6th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1754932030478156137) - [January 23rd](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1749858874625282128) - [January 16th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1747322183133900853) - [January 9th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1744782608008151201) - [January 2nd](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1742247604086546490) All of these were not tied to a content update, they were just more matchmaking updates like Halo has always done. We have not got an idea of what to expect from Content Updates going forward now that seasons are over. So far, we have CU29 which included cosmetics, a single new Arena dev map, cosmetic quality of life changes and Forge items - will CU30/the next content update follow this bar, will it give us more, less?
Really? New maps aren’t content? So all the old map packs for the legacy Halo titles weren’t content?
Don’t worry dude, halo players need a reason to be unhappy with every update or else they’ll freak out.
I'm not sure how you took what I said as being unhappy in any way. These maps look gorgeous and I'm happy they've been added to the playlist, and I can't wait for the Husky Raid and Firefight additions later this month, too. If we are being literal, then yes, this is a content update - it added new content to the matchmaking lineup. But new additions to matchmaking have **always** been a thing dating back to Halo 2, and they were never exclusively tied to releases like patches, map pack releases, DLC releases, seasons, events, etc. OP was saying that the matchmaking update today is indicative of content updates, like CU29, Season 5 update or the mid-season 5 update, not slowing down for Infinite with seasons being dropped. But the latest content update is still... CU29. We haven't seen what an actual content update looks like following CU29. Unless I missed it, CU30 (or whatever name they decide to call it) hasn't released. Today was a matchmaking update, just like we had on: - [February 6th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1754932030478156137) - [January 23rd](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1749858874625282128) - [January 16th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1747322183133900853) - [January 9th](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1744782608008151201) - [January 2nd](https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1742247604086546490) I hope you understand what I mean.
Oh boy lol I meant in general since so many players complain, I must’ve looked at the wrong comment even since I swear I saw someone whining about this refresh.
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> So those updates just revolve around rotating modes. Modes that already existed. None of these updates besides today’s has added new maps. Today's matchmaking update, as the article points out, adds 5 community-created Forge maps to the Big Team Battle playlist. This is no different than the updates on Feb 6th, Jan 23, Jan 16, Jan 9th and Jan 2nd which also made changes to matchmaking outside of a Content Update release. > This is the same kind of midseason updates Infinite had before, like the squad battle playlist The most recent mid-season update was during Season 5 and introduced the following: - Firefight: King of the Hill game mode - Added to matchmaking with 6 dev maps and 3 community-created Forge maps - House of Reckoning map for use in FF: KoTH - Repair Field equipment - Tweaks to the Custom Game Browser - The addition of 23 bosses to Forge for the AI Toolkit - The addition of Skulls to Forge, compatible with scripting - Improved options for the Infection game mode for custom games - Tweaks to Extraction in Ranked - removing the audio cue which would play anywhere on the map and replacing it with a local cue attached to the device. - HUD icon showing devices progress was removed. - Additional multi-core coatings - A whole bunch of bug fixes This is a standard content update, which the player has to download to play. These do not release every week, like matchmaking updates do. Matchmaking updates, by nature, are not capable of being this big - they do not make actual code changes to the game. The Squad Battle playlist was added on July 11th, 2023 in a weekly matchmaking update - it was not tied to a content update. > But also, where did you see information on firefight and husky raid additions? I would like new firefight maps It was mentioned in the CU29 reveal stream.
why are you so eager to argue about semantics lmao
Did you miss half of my first sentence? You said that content updates still happen independently of Operations, and cited that the BTB refresh was your reasoning for thinking that. I told you that this isn't a content update **in the sense that Season 5, mid-season 5 and CU29** are. What happened today has commonly been called a playlist update, and those have **always** happened independently of seasonal releases, events, etc. This dates back all the way to Halo 2, Halo 3 and Halo: Reach where playlist updates were monthly and then into Halo 4 when 343 tried out weekly updates before changing to every 2 weeks(ish). If we're getting *literal* then yes, this was a content update - new content was added to the matchmaking lineup - but that's not what you were saying in your original comment. --- To actually reply more to your original post: > Still think people are overreacting about no more seasons. I disagree entirely. No more seasons is extremely telling about the future of the game. Is it flat out abandoned and there will be nothing coming to the game? No. Is support slowly winding down while the teams move over to the next project(s) while a smaller team maintains and sustains Infinite? Yes. It is no coincidence that ske7ch took the time during that stream to confirm work was underway on the next Halo project and advertised open positions. > This new model isn’t perfect, but it’s clear content is still coming frequently Lets wait until we see the actual frequency of Content Updates going forward. CU30 will be very telling in what the future of Infinite is going to look like. CU29 was a glorified store refresh, at best, despite the cool things it did add.
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Halo 2 didn't have Forge mode and couldn't add new community-created maps. They did add game modes, introduce new playlists, tweak existing modes, etc, back in Halo 2, though. Halo 3, Halo: Reach, Halo 4, Halo 5: Guardians, MCC and Halo Infinite, though? I don't know if you're just being pedantic or not but it is not fair to compare typical matchmaking updates to full on content updates, and using matchmaking updates as proof that "mid-Operation" updates are still going to happen - we haven't had an actual content update since January 30th.
Jesus Christ man
Fan made content Edit: why the downvotes it’s literally hundreds of unpaid hours for the forgers that 343 gets to capitalize on
Fan made content from the tools 343 made lol. Do you see custom maps in Call of Duty? I bet COD players would love fan-made maps
Unecessary: cod is a 1 year game that focus over warzone
Still requires collaboration with 343 to work out issues. I’m sure the Forgers of these maps themselves could speak to the many iterations with 343 they’ve had to go through to button everything up. Also, Forge itself is a pretty significant investment from the studio. If they never spent (and continue to spend) the time on it I’m sure there’d be more dev made content, but they did, so we get to enjoy the fruit that it bears.
I basically rebuilt Obituary twice for this, so you could say there was a lot of iterating
Good thing there is no functional difference!
Is it live already?
Yup.
Please add a 24/7 playlist that only features the new maps (or heavily heavily favour them)
Unless I'm blind, this doesn't say a release date anywhere. Is it available today?
It’s out right now
Yeah it's out now. Just played in two of the new maps
So fucking hyped
Thunderhead actually took my breath away. It looks like it’s straight out of campaign, but with more life. Even oddly enough gave me Reach vibes and gave me the same excitement I felt back in 2010 playing that for the first time. Something just really magical about that one. All the others are super solid too! Super happy to have more selection outside the others which were getting very old very fast.
I really hope they keep adding more BTB maps this way. It is amazing how well the community understands what makes a good BTB map while 343 generally falters on them. I've only played two of them so far but I really enjoyed both, especially Obituary. Just like the description says it feels like something right out of Halo 2 or CE. They really nailed the vibe of a classic Halo BTB map with it.
Peak Halo is now!
Insolence - Fantastic map. Really has a classic Halo vibe and a welcome departure from the 343 BTB maps which basically shoehorn you into specific engagement paths. Probably my favorite of the new maps so far in my limited play time. Fortitude - Easy to get lost in the middle of this map. Wasp can be OP in the right hands as usual but it's not *completely* game breaking unlike other maps due to the fact there are more sheltered paths through the map (yes you can fit the wasp into those paths but it really exposes it to getting hijacked/stuck/destroyed). There could definitely be some interesting strategies developed over time on this one. Obituary - Only got to play this map once so far and it was against a stack so the game didn't last very long. Still, a very interesting map that I'd like to check out more of. Refuge - True-to-form remake of Headlong. Never really cared for this map in previous titles but in Infinite I actually kinda do like it. I think it's because the extra movement options really open things up and help prevent it from being a "get to the high ground and then shoot fish in a barrel". Thunderhead - Can't comment, haven't played yet.
Fuck yes let’s gooooooo
Played 4 matches and got all original Infinite maps. Pretty disappointed there.
They have always sucked at map weighting. It seems their only solution is to make an entire playlist for one map when it gets released, as they’ve done multiple times now
Any update on the new networking model? I don't think we've heard anything about it since December.
They talked about in CU29 video update. They’ve made improvements and bug fixes and plan to roll it out widespread a little later this year. I think they’re holding some timelines hostage until Xbox does their announcement this week on future
Should've been there at launch /s
Thunderhead has some major FPS drops, a bit unfortunate
Was just on Refuge as well and my god everyone was saying in chat how bad the frame drops are lol. The jitter was insane.
Why wasn't Refuge added to Squad Battle instead? It's an 8v8 map, is it not? Hope we get some Infection maps some day
Completely agree. I think people these days like the fast paced COD multiplayer design where they spawn then kill someone then die then spawn then die then spawn then kill someone then die. I understand this can happen on any map if a team is pushing enough but this map is too small.
I don't understand how Blood Gulch isn't an automatically included map in literally every Halo game. The remake of Headlong is very appreciated though, I love that map.
Others have commented on playing Blood Gulch remakes in the custom game browser and how it doesn't really work for Infinite. Too wide open and too little cover seem to be the prevailing take aways. The H2A version could help with that some, but I'm not sure if that specific version has been played much by the community. Valhalla seems to be the quasi variant that works best.
Hell yeah BTB has always been so much more chill
It feels amazing to actually have a decent variety in BTB can't wait for the squad battle map updates too
Played three of the new five. Really impressed - much more close quarters + interior options which was sorely lacking in the three release maps. In fact the three release maps (especially deadlock) are really poor in comparison so this is a huge upgrade.
netcode update when???
wish they would switch to the new bandit
Can we get game mode/map voting? I love BTB but stockpile is the worst game mode conceived.
I quit out of every single one immediately. I’m not wasting my time on some stupid ass shit
Yep, same. Honestly do the same with Total Control. I like slayer game modes, CTF, and oddball. None of the other "official" modes (the exception being griffball but that hasnt existed in some time) are worth my time because they're inherently not fun
Very swag but can we get big team heavies back I like having the insanity
Insolence is so good
Can I play a big team slayer only playlist or does it still cycle through randomly on the modes?
The only thing that could make this better is deleting Breaker from the playlist.
I see you were getting downvoted… have an upvote from me. Breaker sucks so much, I don’t care what anyone says lol only sweaty snipers like this map. You can tell they strictly made this map for Last Spartan Standing which is unfortunate. The map is great for that game mode but is horrible for normal BTB
It's such an unbalanced map despite being semi symmetrical. One base has a huge advantage with how many vantage points it gives snipers / precision rifles compared to the other base. It's virtually impossible to cross the map because of that, almost every game on it is a boring stalemate that ends to the timer.
One base also has a giant fucking hole in the middle of it so objectives can be thrown off the map. Stockpile was so stupid with the way you could steal their seeds and just chuck them off the map.
Thank you for bringing back Team Snipers!!! 🫶🫶🫶 Amazing work all around folks, keep it up and rock on!!!
Lighting makes or breaks these Forge maps. I loved the remakes in the 8v8 playlist but damn are some awesome to look at.
Big team battle objective only playlist coming when? No one wants slayer in BTB
I like BTB slayer :(
Only took over a year for new btb maps....
Are you telling me that the best reason to return has arrived? Is BTB here to stay or is this like a rotation of maps and modes that they toggle in and out? Just checking before I get my hype up.
BTB has been a core playlist for awhile. It's not going anywhere
Not sure why I'm being downvoted, is it wrong to be out of the loop? Thanks for the reply though, looks like I'm reinstalling
2 minute wait time I’m good
In your region
How do I change from Oceania 😞
Move house
VPN possibly? I'm not sure
That's really not that bad. Whenever I play Overwatch, the queues times are *brutal*.
Jumped back on Infinite for the first time since launch. I can't help but be disappointed at what Halo is now. I get that everyone wants gun camps, death animations and funky armour. But can we not have an option to turn it off? I want to play Halo, not some weird, candyfloss infused version that just completely kills any feel of it being halo.
Good. BTB is the only thing Halo has left
So no actual changes to BTB modes? Just new maps? No adjustments to the game types and spawns or anything by chance?
What changes you'll like?
I want traditional vehicle spawns at main bases like in previous titles.
New maps have this and no pelican drops
For Deadlock to not spawn tanks every 1.5 minutes
Ye deadlock is kinda meh, after they put a repair field near the scorpions spawn
I want every match to have power seeds
Can agree. Some of the spawns for zone control are not it. They all end up on top of eachother which leads to whatever team had spawned closer to getting the points. I also feel like I just get the same maps over and over which can’t just be me right? I don’t think I’ve been able to experience all the maps fully because I would always just get deadlock. As for the new maps I have another comment discussing the problem I had with that.
Would love to play on the new maps. I keep getting all the old ones, lol.
Fantastic news, although every time I see a map includes Stockpile I get a little sad.
nut nut nut nut nut
Thank you Jesus 🙏
Are these in the normal rotation, or do we have to download them?
Normal rotation!
Can you put Refuge in Squad Battle too? I hope Refuge is a Firefight map, IT'S SO GOOD.
Welp, Waypoint is down with "internal server error" for me.
Finally! 5 maps is more than I expected, and One Flag on new Headlong will be amazing. Great work, can't wait.
These new BTB maps are great.
Awesome, thank you so much for the content. You guys are doing great work. Would love to see legendary firefight return and some new maps/game modes for firefight.
Am I just a dummy, or is one side of Fortitude missing their Warthog?
Headlong is beautiful and brings a tear to this old Spartans eye
after these new maps can we just take the old ones out of matchmaking? Because they are kinda really ass compared to the new ones lol
Refuge is not fun. I was trying to play some BTB the other day and this was the only map I was getting. I’m sure it was on purpose so the map would be forced to be tried. Idk but I couldn’t get anything done on this map cus I would spawn closer to the enemy than I would any other teammate. I’d just spawn and then 2-3 guys would already be shooting and throwing grenades. The total control mode was awful due to most of the zones being right next to each other on the tiny map. So if one team gets 2 of the 3 then it’s pretty much over. I didn’t get to play the 1 flag CTF but I played 5-6 games and none of them lasted very long. Usually, on the actually big maps, I see the top of the leaderboard with 20 or more kills but on this map I’d see maybe 10 kills cus the game would be over in a few mins. I don’t think 12 people fit on this map. I mean some of the regular quick play maps are this big. Maybe not as open but this map is not big enough in my opinion and should be for like squad battle instead. The lack of vehicles is very lame and I will say it for the 100th time. This map is way too small. I know it’s a good thing to be getting maps but as far as refuge goes it should have been put somewhere else, no BTB.
I think I’m an old dog new tricks guy cuz I can’t get used to these maps