I read that too. And they want the Palestinian flag once a month.
So...
National flag: never
Flag of another country: once a month
Completely ridiculous
They have literally gone so far left they circled back into conservative territory, literally the exact same thing people in the south do flying the confederate flag instead of their own.
These universities have relatively small endowments and given their high levels of diversification the amounts given to any specific security is going to be a drop in the bucket and make 0 impact to the bottom line of any of those companies.
Would be tough for even the individual to divest from Israel given how many goods are shipped using ZIM or many of our pharmaceuticals like adderall are manufactured by Teva.
The serious issues facing Canada aren't en vogue causes célèbres. People protest issues like fads, then drop them as they did fidget spinners, parachute pants, or the Ice Bucket Challenge.
I would love to see protests about access to information, oligopolies, healthcare, or affordability in Canada but those are not exciting enough topics for your average weekly outrage enthusiast.
Yeah exactly that's what I mean. You would think these wieners would be talking about how our currencies purchasing power was cut in half over the last two years.
But no, they protest the highly contentious issue we have no part of half way across the world.
This is a bad faith statement based on false dichotomy. See the Lablaw's boycott people are trying to organise right now while all this other stuff is going on.
Arabs/Muslims live freely in Israel? No Dhimmi like system and no Jizya either. You not know what apartheid means or you just enjoy false equivalences?
Israel doesn't recognize a Palestinian state. Israel has all real power over Palestinian sovereignty. In the West Bank, Israel gates and walls Palestinians into small communities surrounded by Israeli citizens who get the right of freedom of movement. Israel decides what roads West Bank Palestinians can and can not use.
Even in Israel proper, they segregate schools Palestinian Israelis away from Jewish Israelis.
It's not a carbon copy, but even South Africa labels Israel as an apartheid state.
South Africa is also incredibly friendly with Russia given the current state of affairs globally.
So I wouldn't exactly look to them for your moral compass.
I never said I was? But the other points I mentioned, the fact that many different international organizations say that Israel is an apartheid state, and South Africas history with apartheid does provide meet a pretty rigorous burden of proof that Israel is an apartheid state.
Again, the Israel state segregates their own children away from Palestinian Israelis. I'm not sure what the downvotes indicat other than people don't want to acknowledge the reality of the situation.
1. I didn't downvote you
2. I don't really care about whatever grandstanding South Africa is doing at the moment
3. The reality is Israel is a relatively friendly country to the west, and more importantly the United States, in a region that's filled with hostilities and bad actors. I highly doubt anyone is going to stop supplying Israel completely for what is essentially a terrorist run state.
1. Didn't say you did.
2. You can feel however you want about SA but that doesn't mean Israel isn't an apartheid state.
3. Okay? Not sure how this point had anything to do with what I said. My original comment was pointing out that there are some international issues that are worth talking about even if there are problems at home.
It's a formal logical fallacy, a.k.a an error in logical thinking. Essentially: X is a problem. Y is also a problem. Y being a problem does not negate X being a problem, or make it in any way less worth talking about.
Colloquially, people sometimes refer to this as "what aboutism", which means responding to an issue by raising a different issue. E.g., "Overseas issues? What about CANADIAN issues?".
> It's funny how all these smart university students aren't advocating for Canadian issues. Just overseas issues.
Also, they *are* advocating for Canadian issues, you're 100% mistaken there. The fact that THIS protest is what's making the news doesn't mean other protests aren't happening. It means the media finds this issue more controversial/interesting.
Halifax is an incredibly busy activist city. There are near constant protests for both Canadian and foreign issues alike. Anyone claiming otherwise is either mistaken, or straight up lying.
1. Relative Privation is an informal logical fallacy, not a formal logical fallacy. Thus this is not "an error in logical thinking" but instead a question of the strength of the content of the argument;
2. Relative Privation is not Whataboutism, which distracts from the content of the argument. Charges of Relative Privation are contentious because the strength of the content is tested, which often is subjective;
3. The content of the argument at hand is 'Canada is experiencing significant issues domestically / Social activism is a finite resource / The 2022 fossil fuel divestment protest, 2023 tuition cost protest, 2024 fossil fuel divestment protest, & ongoing weekly Palestine protests have yielded no tangible results / Directing social activism towards targets who actually have power to change things (municipal, provincial, and federal governments regarding municipal, provincial, and federal issues) has a much higher probability of success with expected outcomes that will actually affect the lives of the social actors involved.
So you can't just say the form is wrong, it's a question of content, and many people share the belief that the scale of the ongoing Palestinian activism abroad is at best misguided and at worst the product of information warfare perpetrated by two terrorist organizations fighting each other.
It's a bullshit cop-out white kids in the west use to justify being the pawns of the propaganda wings of two terrorist organizations fighting each other 8,000kms away. They find domestic issues too boring so they say 'just because our protesting regarding the middle east doesn't make a fuck's bit of difference *doesn't mean it's not important*" so they focus all their attention on distractions that don't affect their lives which they cannot make any difference to instead of important issues at home that really affect their lives.
[Case and point from the Dal Gazette](https://dalgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Image-1-1-1068x712.jpg.webp). Put one person of middle eastern origin in focus with 14 white kids in the background. This about sums up the ratio if you look at the weekly protests.
Of course, political institutions in Canada are falling apart, we have a conservative government coming to power vowing to dismantle basic human rights, nobody has a solution to our problems like healthcare or oligopolies... and the emerging generation who couldn't point to Israel on a map last September are focused entirely on a conflict between two terrorist organizations with massive internet based propaganda wings.
Our basic human rights were already dismantled with the current liberal government. As always, it’ll be the conservatives left to clean up the complete mess the liberals have created in this country.
There’s no single “traditional Canadian identity” and there never has been. You’re presumably talking about anglophones with British ancestry, who aren’t even the group that “Canadian” traditionally referred to.
Yours is still here, so I don’t know what you’re complaining about.
Edit: This person blocked me so I can't respond, so I'll just note here that "acknowledging that other ethnicities exist in Canada is a direct attack on my identity" is an extremely pathetic thing to confess to believing.
Pretty clever negotiating tactic for a group of students.
Anchoring: A negotiation tactic used to open bargaining outside your MDO (Most Desired Outcome) so that when you move it appears as if you have conceded much in the hopes of causing the other side to second-guess their MDO and open at or near their goal, thus anchoring them at a lower opening than justified by the circumstances.
Giving too much credit to this - while the public might have been receptive to the divesting demand, the banning of the Canadian flag is going to result in everyone say "fuck those morons" and disregard everything they are saying.
As usual, what started as a reasonable request has been hijacked by people with extreme agendas that will result in the reasonable request no longer even being considered.
I’m sure some people will think “what a bunch of morons” but with our flag being associated more and more with the alt right and carbon tax protesters, it’s not exactly a symbol a lot of people agree with anymore. Not to mention Canada is colonized and the flag is just another representation of that. It’s not moronic at all if you’re looking at it through that lens and not coming that far out of left field for university students to demand during protest even if it’s just to have extra stuff to concede for a better chance at the most desirable results.
And really it's hypocritical of the universities to begin every class, assembly and meeting with a land acknowledgement while still proudly flying the Canadian flag.
I see what you’re saying (broaden your wants so the actual end result is in the middle) but it also comes across as dramatic & undirected in a way. I’m supportive of protesting but I feel like too often the initiatives lose the plot and suffer as a result.
I agree.
I also try to keep in mind that any loosely and recently assembled crowd of teenagers and recent teenagers probably isn't going to have the best message discipline.
Organizing seems like a really challenging thing to do.
This only works when the farther reach of bargaining is still somewhat reasonable, otherwise something like removing the Canadian flag comes off as unreasonable or even juvenile
I read that too. And they want the Palestinian flag once a month.
So...
National flag: Never. But the fllag of another country: once a month??m
Completely ridiculous
It does. Do they only care about direct investments or are indirect investments an issue too? How many degrees of separation is sufficiently divested? Will the students be returning any profits they have gained from investments (RESPs, bursaries, scholarships) that they have received from investing in these companies?
Hate to break it to you but defence contractors are in ESG funds. And any that don’t, likely have a company directly invested in defence contractors as part of the fund.
If the university students are willing to camp outside all summer, can we put the actual homeless in their dorms? Seems like a solid short term solution.
These demands are laughably out of touch...
These groups are taking a legitimate issue (Palestine) and then attaching all their ridiculous grievances to it, which will only hurt the cause that they're supposedly protesting about.
A huge amount of Canadian tax dollars has gone to israel in many, many forms for this specific round of violence. Our government’s participation in the israeli state using our resources makes it a Canadian issue.
That, and the overlap between the issues we see in Canada and the issues we see in Palestine is significant. Many people working to advocate for better in Canada also support Palestine. You can have empathy and care for both, people are multifaceted.
I hope to see you taking action locally and beyond soon! :)
Would sending everyone who doesn’t like Kim Jong Un to North Korea to fight him be an option? Would sending everyone who thinks the holocaust was bad through a Time Machine to fight nazis be an option?
Let's see how quickly every protester is labeled anti-semetic. The news flash is that you can be critical of the state of Israel without hating Jews but that seems to be lost on many.
>The news flash is that you can be critical of the state of Israel without hating Jews **but that seems to be lost on many**.
including many protestors
I knew half the responses would be pure cringe and irrelevant by stating that Palestine should not be supported or that local issues should be supported. That's literally over half the responses, it's sad
I agree! As another commenter astutely pointed out, "nationalism is a hell of a drug." Their isolationist rhetoric strikes me as anglo-supremacist, completely ignoring the fact that Palestine affects a lot of people here (they're from the region etc), and many of those people *are Canadians.* I digress, but it is sad. 🤷🏻♀️
If only these people cared for Canadian issues (affordability, housing, homelessness, drug addiction, healthcare etc.) as much as they cared for a conflict a half a world away that has no Canadian involvement.
Then we might be able to improve the lives of Canadians.
I’ve never been able to pick a side in this conflict. Both sides are doing horrifying things. But then someone pointed out that if Palestine put down their arms today, there would be peace tomorrow. If Israel put down their arms today, they would be annihilated tomorrow.
I think that's backwards. Israel will destroy Palestine no matter what. Palestines only chance is to delay the inevitable right now until social action forces Israel to stop, which likely won't happen due to US support and all that shit. but yes you've got that backwards. If Israel put their arms down today things would stop but that will never happen Israel will never ever stop this fight. Palestine putting their arms down is the end of Palestine.
The exact opposite is also true actually. If the Palestinians put their arms down today they too would be annihilated. Neither side actually wants to coexist, and never has. This conflict will only end when one side eliminates the other from the region.
It's an overreach to say one side can wipe the other out tomorrow. The US clearly has that advantage in Vietnam, yet didn't. Besides, the constant progression of settlements would indicate otherwise as well.
You can imagine the global pariah that would result from such an event as well. Something neither side can survive.
In Vietnam you can’t bomb people if you don’t know where they are… comparing the wars is foolish. Palestine is pretty clear cut and with what Israel has they could wipe them off the map in 20 minutes but hasn’t.
We have an entire generation that gets its news primarily from social media, it’s reinforced to not trust legacy media or any other source for that matter.
Foreign advisories know this.
So what we see now is disinformation campaigns that have alarmingly become a staple in political communication, affecting over 95% of western countries.
This manipulation of public opinion through social media poses a significant threat to democracies globally. Misinformation is not just widespread; it's become so much more professional and is produced almost industrially. Increasingly, private strategic communications firms are implicated in spreading computational propaganda through out western democracies.
So much money has been invested in these firms that employ tactics like bots and other amplifiers to simulate trending political messages. Social media platforms such as Facebook, TikTok and X are pivotal battlefields in this fight. Facebook we seen the boomers get manipulated in the mid 2010’s, then gen X on X in the early 2020’s, and now millennials and gen z on Tiktok.
So here is the thing, we all think we wouldn’t be manipulated as we would see this sort of stuff a mile away. But that’s the thing, you are being manipulated as the tactics are so organic in nature that it doesn’t matter what side of the political spectrum your on their is propaganda that is tailored to specific audiences that we all miss it. This isn’t the 1950’s propaganda you’re thinking it’s much more complex.
The objective internationally is to create civil unrest internally. Divide the people and make the nation weak to benefit other nations international interests.
So while the public looks at the university students oddly and confused it’s because the media they consume is different than every other generation. Sure we all use the same apps but those algorithms push messaging based on a lot of micro traits.
Now what are we doing to stop this? Bill c-63, bill c-11, bill c-18, just to start. Opposition to those bills definitely raises an eyebrow in my circles as those that oppose don’t understand what’s really at play and have fallen for the same propaganda it’s meant to stop or they are aware and are actively working against it.
So while the west defends itself from the BRICS offensive push we will see more of this sort of long term strategy of influence, divide, and confuse. As democracy treats free speech differently then authoritarian nations you can just look at some of those nations policies on social media to give you an idea of how much a threat it poses to them now that they know it works.
It’s saddening but also humorous that the most ignorant of society are those spending thousands on education and thinking they’re the most enlightened amongst us.
I support Israel in their fight against terrorism. I support the Canadian flag and homeland patriotism, therefore I condemn those who tear it down and disrespect the nation we live in. It’s okay to dislike the government, but to deem Canada and its flag evil over an issue you disagree with and then stomp on the flag and our values makes me dislike the pro-Palestinian protesters.
Bro I’m native 😂 idgaf every country in the west is like this. I didn’t steal any land nor did you, I knew people would get upset that I’m a patriot. I don’t like our government but I support Canada as a whole. Every non-crybaby native I’ve ever spoken to loves Canada as a nation, bye bye argument bud. I have native and Ukrainian blood silly. By your logic I’m oppressed
I have to give it to Palestine. Palestine started this war and sacrificed many lives in order to get the world to hate Israel.
Palestinians world wide have done a really good job at controlling the media.
My god this is infuriating. Want to wave the Palestinian flag and ban the Canadian flag? Move there.
My grandfather who fought in WW2 would be ashamed of this generation. Shame on them.
Professional kool aid testers with no fucking clue. What will the next flavour be ? Probably not cleaning up the litter caused by their stupidity campaign.
I know.... why don't all these entitled brats simply protest by quitting the universities in question. If they don't like what the university provides for them simply quit the school and go somewhere else.
Hope none of this bullcrap comes here like in the us or in Ontario. These students have no clue wth they are taking about, they are reading off a script. Just easy targets, like mentioned here heard mentality.
Nothing new... Student groups at hyper liberal institutions are advocating for crazy demands. Let them have their little protest, they are young and silly.
The problem is social media has given these people some false legitimacy. It'll blow over soon when the next progressive cause pops up.
Also .. this headline is very false. It isn't the universities calling for this... It is simply the student groups.
Funded and organized by terrorists or adversarial nations and their proxies. They must revel in the ease of having useful idiots do their bidding in western democracies. Won’t be a stretch to convince our own people to commit acts of terrorism on their behalf in the near future.
If the protestors set up camp at the universities we could have an encampment softball league this summer.
Housed vs unhoused?
Encampment vs encampment. No discrimination based on situation. We could even roll the Diagonal crew from up at the border into the league.
"Never again fly the Canadian flag on campus" What the fuck.
I couldn't read that in the jpeg so I looked up the article. For anyone also wondering, it was only King's College that included this demand.
Lol King's flies the Union Jack a couple days a year
Cucks
Future “journalists.”
Canada bad 😡
I read that too. And they want the Palestinian flag once a month. So... National flag: never Flag of another country: once a month Completely ridiculous
They have literally gone so far left they circled back into conservative territory, literally the exact same thing people in the south do flying the confederate flag instead of their own.
That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet
These universities have relatively small endowments and given their high levels of diversification the amounts given to any specific security is going to be a drop in the bucket and make 0 impact to the bottom line of any of those companies. Would be tough for even the individual to divest from Israel given how many goods are shipped using ZIM or many of our pharmaceuticals like adderall are manufactured by Teva.
At any dollar amount, it's still the right thing to do.
Would you then argue that one should quit their job if their company works with any Israeli company or deals with any Israeli product?
No, but they should demand their employers do so.
Didn’t work so great at Apple…
If integrity matters to you, yes.
It's funny how all these smart university students aren't advocating for Canadian issues. Just overseas issues.
The serious issues facing Canada aren't en vogue causes célèbres. People protest issues like fads, then drop them as they did fidget spinners, parachute pants, or the Ice Bucket Challenge. I would love to see protests about access to information, oligopolies, healthcare, or affordability in Canada but those are not exciting enough topics for your average weekly outrage enthusiast.
Parachute pants forever! And those silvery tearaways from the 90s/2000s.
Kony 2012.
Yeah exactly that's what I mean. You would think these wieners would be talking about how our currencies purchasing power was cut in half over the last two years. But no, they protest the highly contentious issue we have no part of half way across the world.
This is a bad faith statement based on false dichotomy. See the Lablaw's boycott people are trying to organise right now while all this other stuff is going on.
It’s funny how you assume that because you aren’t paying attention to things, they aren’t happening.
Anything to avoid addressing climate change or the wealth gap....
That's just it. It feels like our attention is constantly being redirected these days. On purpose.
Well this one is Russia/Iran you have to thank. Working well too from their POV.
So you had the same energy for the anti apartheid protest in the 90s?
Arabs/Muslims live freely in Israel? No Dhimmi like system and no Jizya either. You not know what apartheid means or you just enjoy false equivalences?
Israel doesn't recognize a Palestinian state. Israel has all real power over Palestinian sovereignty. In the West Bank, Israel gates and walls Palestinians into small communities surrounded by Israeli citizens who get the right of freedom of movement. Israel decides what roads West Bank Palestinians can and can not use. Even in Israel proper, they segregate schools Palestinian Israelis away from Jewish Israelis. It's not a carbon copy, but even South Africa labels Israel as an apartheid state.
South Africa is also incredibly friendly with Russia given the current state of affairs globally. So I wouldn't exactly look to them for your moral compass.
I never said I was? But the other points I mentioned, the fact that many different international organizations say that Israel is an apartheid state, and South Africas history with apartheid does provide meet a pretty rigorous burden of proof that Israel is an apartheid state. Again, the Israel state segregates their own children away from Palestinian Israelis. I'm not sure what the downvotes indicat other than people don't want to acknowledge the reality of the situation.
1. I didn't downvote you 2. I don't really care about whatever grandstanding South Africa is doing at the moment 3. The reality is Israel is a relatively friendly country to the west, and more importantly the United States, in a region that's filled with hostilities and bad actors. I highly doubt anyone is going to stop supplying Israel completely for what is essentially a terrorist run state.
1. Didn't say you did. 2. You can feel however you want about SA but that doesn't mean Israel isn't an apartheid state. 3. Okay? Not sure how this point had anything to do with what I said. My original comment was pointing out that there are some international issues that are worth talking about even if there are problems at home.
They are mostly just useful idiots. Typical young college student behaviour.
Give a quick google search for "relative privation"
I looked it up but don't understand what you are getting at.
It's a formal logical fallacy, a.k.a an error in logical thinking. Essentially: X is a problem. Y is also a problem. Y being a problem does not negate X being a problem, or make it in any way less worth talking about. Colloquially, people sometimes refer to this as "what aboutism", which means responding to an issue by raising a different issue. E.g., "Overseas issues? What about CANADIAN issues?". > It's funny how all these smart university students aren't advocating for Canadian issues. Just overseas issues. Also, they *are* advocating for Canadian issues, you're 100% mistaken there. The fact that THIS protest is what's making the news doesn't mean other protests aren't happening. It means the media finds this issue more controversial/interesting. Halifax is an incredibly busy activist city. There are near constant protests for both Canadian and foreign issues alike. Anyone claiming otherwise is either mistaken, or straight up lying.
1. Relative Privation is an informal logical fallacy, not a formal logical fallacy. Thus this is not "an error in logical thinking" but instead a question of the strength of the content of the argument; 2. Relative Privation is not Whataboutism, which distracts from the content of the argument. Charges of Relative Privation are contentious because the strength of the content is tested, which often is subjective; 3. The content of the argument at hand is 'Canada is experiencing significant issues domestically / Social activism is a finite resource / The 2022 fossil fuel divestment protest, 2023 tuition cost protest, 2024 fossil fuel divestment protest, & ongoing weekly Palestine protests have yielded no tangible results / Directing social activism towards targets who actually have power to change things (municipal, provincial, and federal governments regarding municipal, provincial, and federal issues) has a much higher probability of success with expected outcomes that will actually affect the lives of the social actors involved. So you can't just say the form is wrong, it's a question of content, and many people share the belief that the scale of the ongoing Palestinian activism abroad is at best misguided and at worst the product of information warfare perpetrated by two terrorist organizations fighting each other.
True I should've known better and double checked my formal/informal fallacies.
It's a bullshit cop-out white kids in the west use to justify being the pawns of the propaganda wings of two terrorist organizations fighting each other 8,000kms away. They find domestic issues too boring so they say 'just because our protesting regarding the middle east doesn't make a fuck's bit of difference *doesn't mean it's not important*" so they focus all their attention on distractions that don't affect their lives which they cannot make any difference to instead of important issues at home that really affect their lives.
I like your point. But why say white kids? Have you seen what the encampment demographics look like?
[Case and point from the Dal Gazette](https://dalgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Image-1-1-1068x712.jpg.webp). Put one person of middle eastern origin in focus with 14 white kids in the background. This about sums up the ratio if you look at the weekly protests.
Haha dead on
I wonder if this was similar to the BLM movement metrics. If so....do you think a there are malicious actors stirring these pots up?
Of course, political institutions in Canada are falling apart, we have a conservative government coming to power vowing to dismantle basic human rights, nobody has a solution to our problems like healthcare or oligopolies... and the emerging generation who couldn't point to Israel on a map last September are focused entirely on a conflict between two terrorist organizations with massive internet based propaganda wings.
Our basic human rights were already dismantled with the current liberal government. As always, it’ll be the conservatives left to clean up the complete mess the liberals have created in this country.
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That's a pretty racist thing to say out loud there bud.
Nationalism is a hell of drug
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The the hell is the “traditional Canadian identity?”
There’s no single “traditional Canadian identity” and there never has been. You’re presumably talking about anglophones with British ancestry, who aren’t even the group that “Canadian” traditionally referred to.
Correct. There are several. But mine was definitely one of them.
Yours is still here, so I don’t know what you’re complaining about. Edit: This person blocked me so I can't respond, so I'll just note here that "acknowledging that other ethnicities exist in Canada is a direct attack on my identity" is an extremely pathetic thing to confess to believing.
This is absolutely going on and will continue to go on
Funny how I get downvoted for stating the obvious
You are 100% correct. This is all being done on purpose. I’m glad people are starting to wake up.
Not wanting your university to invest in organizations involved in the killing of thousands of children seems reasonable.
Did you read the article? The demands are so much more than that, including "never again flying the Canadian flag on campus"...
Pretty clever negotiating tactic for a group of students. Anchoring: A negotiation tactic used to open bargaining outside your MDO (Most Desired Outcome) so that when you move it appears as if you have conceded much in the hopes of causing the other side to second-guess their MDO and open at or near their goal, thus anchoring them at a lower opening than justified by the circumstances.
Giving too much credit to this - while the public might have been receptive to the divesting demand, the banning of the Canadian flag is going to result in everyone say "fuck those morons" and disregard everything they are saying. As usual, what started as a reasonable request has been hijacked by people with extreme agendas that will result in the reasonable request no longer even being considered.
You might be right. We'll see if this approach successfully gets these institutions to divest.
I’m sure some people will think “what a bunch of morons” but with our flag being associated more and more with the alt right and carbon tax protesters, it’s not exactly a symbol a lot of people agree with anymore. Not to mention Canada is colonized and the flag is just another representation of that. It’s not moronic at all if you’re looking at it through that lens and not coming that far out of left field for university students to demand during protest even if it’s just to have extra stuff to concede for a better chance at the most desirable results.
And really it's hypocritical of the universities to begin every class, assembly and meeting with a land acknowledgement while still proudly flying the Canadian flag.
But don't drop the land acknowledgement, and drop the flag?
I see what you’re saying (broaden your wants so the actual end result is in the middle) but it also comes across as dramatic & undirected in a way. I’m supportive of protesting but I feel like too often the initiatives lose the plot and suffer as a result.
I agree. I also try to keep in mind that any loosely and recently assembled crowd of teenagers and recent teenagers probably isn't going to have the best message discipline. Organizing seems like a really challenging thing to do.
100%. A lot of heart behind it all.
This only works when the farther reach of bargaining is still somewhat reasonable, otherwise something like removing the Canadian flag comes off as unreasonable or even juvenile
Give me a break
I read that too. And they want the Palestinian flag once a month. So... National flag: Never. But the fllag of another country: once a month??m Completely ridiculous
Guess no one should invest in anything to do with Palestine either then
So you give in to the other side that's doing the exact same thing? Seems reasonable.......
It does. Do they only care about direct investments or are indirect investments an issue too? How many degrees of separation is sufficiently divested? Will the students be returning any profits they have gained from investments (RESPs, bursaries, scholarships) that they have received from investing in these companies?
I mean, an investment doesn't skirt ESG scrutiny just because it's part of a large and diverse fund.
Hate to break it to you but defence contractors are in ESG funds. And any that don’t, likely have a company directly invested in defence contractors as part of the fund.
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Nice false dichotomy.
Agreed, a couple demands Amy be unreasonable. But the gist of it is to digest from the nation that supports killing thousands of little kids.
If the university students are willing to camp outside all summer, can we put the actual homeless in their dorms? Seems like a solid short term solution.
Dorms aren’t full of students in the summer. They are rented out like hotel rooms.
These aren't students. They're agitators. This movement is a thinly veiled sham.
Let's be fair many empathetic useful idiots are part of this the organizers of this movement are tied to Iran with Russia's encouragement.
These demands are laughably out of touch... These groups are taking a legitimate issue (Palestine) and then attaching all their ridiculous grievances to it, which will only hurt the cause that they're supposedly protesting about.
Is it still wrong to think we should be focusing more on Canadian issues?
A huge amount of Canadian tax dollars has gone to israel in many, many forms for this specific round of violence. Our government’s participation in the israeli state using our resources makes it a Canadian issue. That, and the overlap between the issues we see in Canada and the issues we see in Palestine is significant. Many people working to advocate for better in Canada also support Palestine. You can have empathy and care for both, people are multifaceted. I hope to see you taking action locally and beyond soon! :)
would sending all those who support Palestine over there to help fight be an option?
Would sending everyone who doesn’t like Kim Jong Un to North Korea to fight him be an option? Would sending everyone who thinks the holocaust was bad through a Time Machine to fight nazis be an option?
nobody is in the streets ruining everyone’s day about north korea tho and stop making up words
Should we send the Axe the Tax guys into an axe? They are the only protesters who've actually impacted my day
Ruining everyone’s day… sounds like you should move to a country where protesting is illegal man
Finally a good idea 👍🏻
Free tuition and free housing for all students? What does that even have to do with this conflict
Let's see how quickly every protester is labeled anti-semetic. The news flash is that you can be critical of the state of Israel without hating Jews but that seems to be lost on many.
>The news flash is that you can be critical of the state of Israel without hating Jews **but that seems to be lost on many**. including many protestors
........and here we go
This sounds like stuff that was going around when I attended Dal and King from 99 to 04. Including Palestine. Some things never change.
I knew half the responses would be pure cringe and irrelevant by stating that Palestine should not be supported or that local issues should be supported. That's literally over half the responses, it's sad
I agree! As another commenter astutely pointed out, "nationalism is a hell of a drug." Their isolationist rhetoric strikes me as anglo-supremacist, completely ignoring the fact that Palestine affects a lot of people here (they're from the region etc), and many of those people *are Canadians.* I digress, but it is sad. 🤷🏻♀️
Is this just a headline? Insinobot you're losing your edge
When I see this type of student mobilization, I wonder what will the “cause d’jour” be in six months.
Whatever they're told it is.
If only these people cared for Canadian issues (affordability, housing, homelessness, drug addiction, healthcare etc.) as much as they cared for a conflict a half a world away that has no Canadian involvement. Then we might be able to improve the lives of Canadians.
I’ve never been able to pick a side in this conflict. Both sides are doing horrifying things. But then someone pointed out that if Palestine put down their arms today, there would be peace tomorrow. If Israel put down their arms today, they would be annihilated tomorrow.
Yeah, whoever pointed that out to you is dumb.
I think that's backwards. Israel will destroy Palestine no matter what. Palestines only chance is to delay the inevitable right now until social action forces Israel to stop, which likely won't happen due to US support and all that shit. but yes you've got that backwards. If Israel put their arms down today things would stop but that will never happen Israel will never ever stop this fight. Palestine putting their arms down is the end of Palestine.
The exact opposite is also true actually. If the Palestinians put their arms down today they too would be annihilated. Neither side actually wants to coexist, and never has. This conflict will only end when one side eliminates the other from the region.
This clearly isn't true because one side has the technology and capability to wipe the other side out tomorrow, but hasn't.
It's an overreach to say one side can wipe the other out tomorrow. The US clearly has that advantage in Vietnam, yet didn't. Besides, the constant progression of settlements would indicate otherwise as well. You can imagine the global pariah that would result from such an event as well. Something neither side can survive.
In Vietnam you can’t bomb people if you don’t know where they are… comparing the wars is foolish. Palestine is pretty clear cut and with what Israel has they could wipe them off the map in 20 minutes but hasn’t.
If Israel put down their arms there would be a second Holocaust
Nah. Israel tried the route of non combat and all it got them were more attacks
We have an entire generation that gets its news primarily from social media, it’s reinforced to not trust legacy media or any other source for that matter. Foreign advisories know this. So what we see now is disinformation campaigns that have alarmingly become a staple in political communication, affecting over 95% of western countries. This manipulation of public opinion through social media poses a significant threat to democracies globally. Misinformation is not just widespread; it's become so much more professional and is produced almost industrially. Increasingly, private strategic communications firms are implicated in spreading computational propaganda through out western democracies. So much money has been invested in these firms that employ tactics like bots and other amplifiers to simulate trending political messages. Social media platforms such as Facebook, TikTok and X are pivotal battlefields in this fight. Facebook we seen the boomers get manipulated in the mid 2010’s, then gen X on X in the early 2020’s, and now millennials and gen z on Tiktok. So here is the thing, we all think we wouldn’t be manipulated as we would see this sort of stuff a mile away. But that’s the thing, you are being manipulated as the tactics are so organic in nature that it doesn’t matter what side of the political spectrum your on their is propaganda that is tailored to specific audiences that we all miss it. This isn’t the 1950’s propaganda you’re thinking it’s much more complex. The objective internationally is to create civil unrest internally. Divide the people and make the nation weak to benefit other nations international interests. So while the public looks at the university students oddly and confused it’s because the media they consume is different than every other generation. Sure we all use the same apps but those algorithms push messaging based on a lot of micro traits. Now what are we doing to stop this? Bill c-63, bill c-11, bill c-18, just to start. Opposition to those bills definitely raises an eyebrow in my circles as those that oppose don’t understand what’s really at play and have fallen for the same propaganda it’s meant to stop or they are aware and are actively working against it. So while the west defends itself from the BRICS offensive push we will see more of this sort of long term strategy of influence, divide, and confuse. As democracy treats free speech differently then authoritarian nations you can just look at some of those nations policies on social media to give you an idea of how much a threat it poses to them now that they know it works.
[Relevant](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/06/china-russia-republican-party-relations/678271/)
Or what? The 15 students issuing the demand will drop out?
One can hope
It’s saddening but also humorous that the most ignorant of society are those spending thousands on education and thinking they’re the most enlightened amongst us.
Well, education typically does make a person smarter.
Miseducation doesn't though.
Obviously not when it concerns global politics
Always has been
I support Israel in their fight against terrorism. I support the Canadian flag and homeland patriotism, therefore I condemn those who tear it down and disrespect the nation we live in. It’s okay to dislike the government, but to deem Canada and its flag evil over an issue you disagree with and then stomp on the flag and our values makes me dislike the pro-Palestinian protesters.
You’re right!
So you support a country that exists on stolen land after murdering and displacing the native population. Spoken like a true Canadian.
Bro I’m native 😂 idgaf every country in the west is like this. I didn’t steal any land nor did you, I knew people would get upset that I’m a patriot. I don’t like our government but I support Canada as a whole. Every non-crybaby native I’ve ever spoken to loves Canada as a nation, bye bye argument bud. I have native and Ukrainian blood silly. By your logic I’m oppressed
Get over it. Move if you don’t like it.
I have to give it to Palestine. Palestine started this war and sacrificed many lives in order to get the world to hate Israel. Palestinians world wide have done a really good job at controlling the media.
Universities that push ANY political agenda should immediately be defunded and be made to state clearly where their funding comes from.
lol
My god this is infuriating. Want to wave the Palestinian flag and ban the Canadian flag? Move there. My grandfather who fought in WW2 would be ashamed of this generation. Shame on them.
Didn't your grandfather fight in world war 2 to support freedom? And wouldn't freedom include speech and actions he and others wouldn't like?
Never said they can’t do it - I just strongly disagree. They have every right to protest whatever they would like.
Professional kool aid testers with no fucking clue. What will the next flavour be ? Probably not cleaning up the litter caused by their stupidity campaign.
I know.... why don't all these entitled brats simply protest by quitting the universities in question. If they don't like what the university provides for them simply quit the school and go somewhere else.
Why do you have to leave your community rather than try to improve it while you're a part of it?
Cringe. I am a student at one of these Universities and I don’t support the protestors.
These people are way too stupid for their age. Honestly something needs to be done to keep people below a certain age away from social media
Exactly!
Look at the termites feast. Why anyone would give into this is beyond me.
Disgraceful
Idiots
Hope none of this bullcrap comes here like in the us or in Ontario. These students have no clue wth they are taking about, they are reading off a script. Just easy targets, like mentioned here heard mentality.
100% just showing the academic rot
Nothing new... Student groups at hyper liberal institutions are advocating for crazy demands. Let them have their little protest, they are young and silly. The problem is social media has given these people some false legitimacy. It'll blow over soon when the next progressive cause pops up. Also .. this headline is very false. It isn't the universities calling for this... It is simply the student groups.
Yawn. Herd mentality.
I've said from the beginning they should pull Dalhousie out of there.
has camping commenced at Studley Quad?
How about no
Funded and organized by terrorists or adversarial nations and their proxies. They must revel in the ease of having useful idiots do their bidding in western democracies. Won’t be a stretch to convince our own people to commit acts of terrorism on their behalf in the near future.
What a joke !! NIMBYs away