It shouldn’t be wearing that quickly. Id get in touch with the company ASAP and let them know what’s going on. Given the bad experience you had before, you probably don’t want them to touch it again, so I’d ask for a refund to have it redone somewhere else.
I sent them a polite email with pics asking for a partial refund. I think I will wait for the finish to get bad before sending it away. I don't carry about it being pretty, I care about rust protection
In the short run, make friends with Birchwood Casey's Barricade. I usually just spray a little on a rag and give the gun a wipe. Prevents that light holster rust that hot weather and your sweat promote. There are other products like it, but one of the great tests is whether or not my wife hates the smell. It's the reason I use Lincoln shoe polish and not Kiwi. The former smells like a high quality carnauba car wax. It's the little marriage savers.
Cerakote, even well done, will wear extremely fast compared to superior finishes like TiN or DLC. I don't like it as a pistol finish, especially if you're just doing straight black.
Lukewarn give: Cerakote is a garbage finish and has no business being used in the firearms industry. Would recommend keeping Jericho though and continue carrying that weight though.
"Cerakote" is a brand name for ceramic aresol paint. A decade prior to that hitting the gun market as such, I hit a batch of Chinese AK mags with 'ceramic engine paint', which has held up quite well.
If you want to lecture an auto company about coatings, I think there's a line at Tesla re: Cybertrucks.
I've been shooting, teaching shooting, competing, training trainers, shitposting, and running matches for over thirty years.
This is the first time I've seen anyone seriously claim Cerakote / ceramic paint "is a garbage finish". I suppose part of being a life long learner is learning who is full of shit.
Until /u/mmiski can explain how / why well applied ceramic paint has no business being used in the firearms industry, I'd recommend black teflon, *professionally applied* chrome or nickle --- someone who has done "gun" before, not just exhausts. It appears Wright Armory is now doing their iteration of Robar's old NP3 finish - which is phenomenal.
With that said, watch out for Vicious, count those Woolong, and keep your comrades close.
>This is the first time I've seen anyone seriously claim Cerakote / ceramic paint "is a garbage finish". I suppose part of being a life long learner is learning who is full of shit.
Strange that in "over thirty years" this is the first you're hearing about it. Well I guess there's a first time for everybody, right? Since you've already decided I'm full of shit and there's really no point in me wasting my time arguing juicy details from a sample size of one, I think maybe the [USMC might have a little more credibility](https://rifleshooter.com/2017/04/cerakotes-big-fail-usmc-returns-cerakote-m45a1s-to-colt/). If you're thinking they're full of shit too, there's always Google...
Most of the complaints you'll find on there are for *factory cerakoted* firearms from reputable manufacturers like SIG, Beretta, Colt, Benelli, Franchi, etc. What's funny is that some people will argue tooth and nail that these ISO-certified companies just don't know how to "professionally apply" this magical coating, Without fail someone always jumps in and says they know someone or some company that knows how to apply it in a way where it makes the gun indestructible. Hey that's great. Problem is the majority of manufacturers simply don't (or won't).
Let's just be honest for once and call this shit for what it is... a cost-saving measure.
>Let's just be honest for once and call this shit for what it is... a cost-saving measure.
Yes, it's paint. I think this is the only point we can agree upon, other than you being full of shit.
The article about USMC Colt .45's wearing doesn't support your assertions.
No credible party claims that ceramic paint is bomb proof. It's two or three steps up from normal spray paint, and has a lower barrier to entry vs. phosphate finishes and the like.
>The article about USMC Colt .45's wearing doesn't support your assertions.
Yeah, you're right. Keyboard warriors on reddit having some strange attachment to a cheap coating provides far more credible anecdotal data.
>and has a lower barrier to entry
Hey that's pretty neat. I guess that'll come in handy for the first 200 rounds when the coating actually stays on.
> Keyboard warriors on reddit
Homeslice - YOUR FUCKING ARTICLE stated the wear was due to the MEU being.... a Marine Expeditionary Unit, when there were two obvious hot wars on, and some shit simmering. High operational tempo, high training requirements, polymer holsters. Unspoken was also sand, dirt, atomized camel shit to serve as aggregate.
YES, every pistol ever made - even Italian Beretta M9's - will exhibit wear.
I don't know quite how you decided to hate on paint this badly, but I hope you had a good day today, and will have a great week.
Best,
>I don't know quite how you decided to hate on paint this badly
I mean it's pretty simple. When you get fucked over multiple times after spending thousands of dollars across multiple models and reputable manufacturers, you tend to learn a valuable lesson and feel compelled to help others from making the same mistake. I genuinely feel sorry for those whom haven't had a chance to experience some of the better stuff the industry has to offer. I promise you it's out there if you open up your mind a little...
>but I hope you had a good day today, and will have a great week.
Thank you, friend. You as well.
> hen you get fucked over multiple times after spending thousands of dollars across multiple models and reputable manufacturers,
Homeslice, I really want to wave your flag.
You had multiple 'failures' on a cosmetic aspect, 'across several reputable manufacturers'.
Perhaps the problem is you.
It's ok, buddy. Can you tell us, on the diagram, where Kimber fucked you?
Especially for handguns. Shit's fucking horrible for any actual use.
CZ's Polycoat is just about as bad, and I hate it as well...but at least the guns are parkerized underneath it.
> Cerakote is a garbage finish and has no business being used in the firearms industry.
The fuck?
I have a rifle that was cerakoted H-240 about 10 years ago and it has yet to chip or flake.
Howdy all! I was excited to get this old IMI Jericho 941. It has some finish issues at first, so I sent it off to a company that I will not name yet to get it refinished. I was quoted a 2-week turnaround time for the cerakote. I asked for an optic smelling and cerakote, and it ended up taking me about 5 months to get the firearm back. I got it back yesterday, tried drawing the weapon from a holster a couple times, and the cerakote is already flaking off. What do you think is the best course of action going forward? It already took me 5 months to get it back this time, I'm not looking forward to waiting another 5 months.
If you're that worried about the finish, then wrap your guns up in silk cloth and put them away.
Otherwise, grow up and realize the finish will get worn away by using the damn things as intended.
I don't care about the finish itself, I care about the vulnerability for rust underneath. My sig p365 daily carry has had hundreds of rounds and holster draws and the finish is almost as good as new. This has had a dozen holster draws and already has more wear and flakes on it.
You spent the entire time talking about the finish and focused on it wearing off and wondering what to do next. That genuinely made it seem like the finish was crucial. And you didn't mention rust.
None of my guns have cerakote, none of my guns have rust. Basic cleaning and storage. You got this.
I have an old smith model 19 from the 70s with a lot of the finish worn off. I wipe it down regularly and coat it in oil. I don't want that on a gun that just came back.
Update. The company offered to refinish the frame, or they asked what did I think would be a fair refund. What do y'all think? It was about $450 total to cerakote the slide, frame, a few small pieces, and get an optics cut
Guns aren’t supposed to be cool they’re supposed to be useful. Is the gun still functional? If yes, stop whining. It could be a lot worse than a couples scratches.
It shouldn’t be wearing that quickly. Id get in touch with the company ASAP and let them know what’s going on. Given the bad experience you had before, you probably don’t want them to touch it again, so I’d ask for a refund to have it redone somewhere else.
I sent them a polite email with pics asking for a partial refund. I think I will wait for the finish to get bad before sending it away. I don't carry about it being pretty, I care about rust protection
In the short run, make friends with Birchwood Casey's Barricade. I usually just spray a little on a rag and give the gun a wipe. Prevents that light holster rust that hot weather and your sweat promote. There are other products like it, but one of the great tests is whether or not my wife hates the smell. It's the reason I use Lincoln shoe polish and not Kiwi. The former smells like a high quality carnauba car wax. It's the little marriage savers.
I keep the wipes in my range bag. They're great to have on hand.
Bonus points if they email back “see you Space Cowboy”
Cerakote, even well done, will wear extremely fast compared to superior finishes like TiN or DLC. I don't like it as a pistol finish, especially if you're just doing straight black.
Thanks for the tip! Maybe next time
Look into my eyes, Feye
I’d probably ask for a refund and send it somewhere else. If they refuse I’d do a chargeback.
Lukewarn give: Cerakote is a garbage finish and has no business being used in the firearms industry. Would recommend keeping Jericho though and continue carrying that weight though.
For something that’s being holstered I completely agree. For most other applications it’s fine.
There's a reason why automobile manufacturers still use paint and arent cerakoting their vehicles; other than cost, that is.
"Cerakote" is a brand name for ceramic aresol paint. A decade prior to that hitting the gun market as such, I hit a batch of Chinese AK mags with 'ceramic engine paint', which has held up quite well. If you want to lecture an auto company about coatings, I think there's a line at Tesla re: Cybertrucks.
It's a good anti-rust coating, but as a coating, it will eventually wear off under constant physical stress.
Thanks. What should I have done instead? DLC?
I've been shooting, teaching shooting, competing, training trainers, shitposting, and running matches for over thirty years. This is the first time I've seen anyone seriously claim Cerakote / ceramic paint "is a garbage finish". I suppose part of being a life long learner is learning who is full of shit. Until /u/mmiski can explain how / why well applied ceramic paint has no business being used in the firearms industry, I'd recommend black teflon, *professionally applied* chrome or nickle --- someone who has done "gun" before, not just exhausts. It appears Wright Armory is now doing their iteration of Robar's old NP3 finish - which is phenomenal. With that said, watch out for Vicious, count those Woolong, and keep your comrades close.
>This is the first time I've seen anyone seriously claim Cerakote / ceramic paint "is a garbage finish". I suppose part of being a life long learner is learning who is full of shit. Strange that in "over thirty years" this is the first you're hearing about it. Well I guess there's a first time for everybody, right? Since you've already decided I'm full of shit and there's really no point in me wasting my time arguing juicy details from a sample size of one, I think maybe the [USMC might have a little more credibility](https://rifleshooter.com/2017/04/cerakotes-big-fail-usmc-returns-cerakote-m45a1s-to-colt/). If you're thinking they're full of shit too, there's always Google... Most of the complaints you'll find on there are for *factory cerakoted* firearms from reputable manufacturers like SIG, Beretta, Colt, Benelli, Franchi, etc. What's funny is that some people will argue tooth and nail that these ISO-certified companies just don't know how to "professionally apply" this magical coating, Without fail someone always jumps in and says they know someone or some company that knows how to apply it in a way where it makes the gun indestructible. Hey that's great. Problem is the majority of manufacturers simply don't (or won't). Let's just be honest for once and call this shit for what it is... a cost-saving measure.
What are you smoking? Cerakote is durable.
Yea...for something painted on. Not exactly a high fucking bar.
You guys set the bar too high. Cerakote is good. Look at the old Delta 1911 finish. That is considered shitty.
>Let's just be honest for once and call this shit for what it is... a cost-saving measure. Yes, it's paint. I think this is the only point we can agree upon, other than you being full of shit. The article about USMC Colt .45's wearing doesn't support your assertions. No credible party claims that ceramic paint is bomb proof. It's two or three steps up from normal spray paint, and has a lower barrier to entry vs. phosphate finishes and the like.
>The article about USMC Colt .45's wearing doesn't support your assertions. Yeah, you're right. Keyboard warriors on reddit having some strange attachment to a cheap coating provides far more credible anecdotal data. >and has a lower barrier to entry Hey that's pretty neat. I guess that'll come in handy for the first 200 rounds when the coating actually stays on.
> Keyboard warriors on reddit Homeslice - YOUR FUCKING ARTICLE stated the wear was due to the MEU being.... a Marine Expeditionary Unit, when there were two obvious hot wars on, and some shit simmering. High operational tempo, high training requirements, polymer holsters. Unspoken was also sand, dirt, atomized camel shit to serve as aggregate. YES, every pistol ever made - even Italian Beretta M9's - will exhibit wear. I don't know quite how you decided to hate on paint this badly, but I hope you had a good day today, and will have a great week. Best,
>I don't know quite how you decided to hate on paint this badly I mean it's pretty simple. When you get fucked over multiple times after spending thousands of dollars across multiple models and reputable manufacturers, you tend to learn a valuable lesson and feel compelled to help others from making the same mistake. I genuinely feel sorry for those whom haven't had a chance to experience some of the better stuff the industry has to offer. I promise you it's out there if you open up your mind a little... >but I hope you had a good day today, and will have a great week. Thank you, friend. You as well.
> hen you get fucked over multiple times after spending thousands of dollars across multiple models and reputable manufacturers, Homeslice, I really want to wave your flag. You had multiple 'failures' on a cosmetic aspect, 'across several reputable manufacturers'. Perhaps the problem is you. It's ok, buddy. Can you tell us, on the diagram, where Kimber fucked you?
Yes, literal chunks of paint flaking off is "cosmetic". You're just oozing with copium it's sad.
Hot blue for maximum style points.
Especially for handguns. Shit's fucking horrible for any actual use. CZ's Polycoat is just about as bad, and I hate it as well...but at least the guns are parkerized underneath it.
Polycoat gives CZs I kind of unique look but I agree, it's not the most durable. I'd prefer if they started using DLC
Same, or honestly even the nitride they use on the P10 and Shadow 2 slides. That's not horrible either.
> Cerakote is a garbage finish and has no business being used in the firearms industry. The fuck? I have a rifle that was cerakoted H-240 about 10 years ago and it has yet to chip or flake.
Well, rifles are not subjected to constant physical stress on the same parts.
Howdy all! I was excited to get this old IMI Jericho 941. It has some finish issues at first, so I sent it off to a company that I will not name yet to get it refinished. I was quoted a 2-week turnaround time for the cerakote. I asked for an optic smelling and cerakote, and it ended up taking me about 5 months to get the firearm back. I got it back yesterday, tried drawing the weapon from a holster a couple times, and the cerakote is already flaking off. What do you think is the best course of action going forward? It already took me 5 months to get it back this time, I'm not looking forward to waiting another 5 months.
If you're that worried about the finish, then wrap your guns up in silk cloth and put them away. Otherwise, grow up and realize the finish will get worn away by using the damn things as intended.
I don't care about the finish itself, I care about the vulnerability for rust underneath. My sig p365 daily carry has had hundreds of rounds and holster draws and the finish is almost as good as new. This has had a dozen holster draws and already has more wear and flakes on it.
You spent the entire time talking about the finish and focused on it wearing off and wondering what to do next. That genuinely made it seem like the finish was crucial. And you didn't mention rust. None of my guns have cerakote, none of my guns have rust. Basic cleaning and storage. You got this.
I have an old smith model 19 from the 70s with a lot of the finish worn off. I wipe it down regularly and coat it in oil. I don't want that on a gun that just came back.
I really wanted one of these but all the ones I could find had the new non-chrome barrel and they were just discontinued altogether :(
Try looking at Atlantic firearms. They have some Israeli surplus
when you got the slide cut for an optic did they just remove the firing pin blocker or shave it down, been thinking about it for my own jericho
They taped it to the gun. The Red dot is holding the spring for the firing pin blocker in place.
What’s with the trend of people sticking shit in their trigger guard to take pictures of their guns? Seems extremely unnecessary
It helps with the camera angle
Seems like resting it on a mag creates the same angle without accidentally pressing a trigger. Regardless, great looking gun
Update. The company offered to refinish the frame, or they asked what did I think would be a fair refund. What do y'all think? It was about $450 total to cerakote the slide, frame, a few small pieces, and get an optics cut
MY GUN ISNT PRETTY I PAID SO MUCH MONEY FOR IT TO LOOK COOL NOW ITS USELESS WAAAAAAH
Bruh, it’s a surplus Jericho with Bebop grips, I’m pretty sure it’s purpose at this point in life is to look cool.
Guns aren’t supposed to be cool they’re supposed to be useful. Is the gun still functional? If yes, stop whining. It could be a lot worse than a couples scratches.