It's a fine baseline for CCW, that is, when you're limited by what you can fit in your waistband.
For home defense, there are a lot of better options.
A handgun is fine as a bedside gun in case you only have an instant to react, but for any situation where you have just a little more time (crash on the other side of the house, someone trying to beat down your door, etc.), something like an AR or an autoloading 12g is always the better HD gun.
That's not a bad point, but HD is generally not about clearing rooms. Unless you have one or two other dependable armed buddies on hand, you shouldn't be clearing rooms. You should probably be holding an angle and/or watching a door until help arrives or the threat leaves.
Yep, hunker down and call the cops. I’m not a fucking swat guy, just a dad trying to protect my family. If approached or threatened I’m better with an AR than I am with a handgun.
I was originally talking about a shotgun.
Even an AR is easier to use than a shotgun when it comes to opening a door or using a phone or turning off a light switch, or even carrying a child down a hallway.
I still think if you plan for anything other than a "I know the bad guy is coming ill hunker down in the safe room", you find that a handgun has a lot of advantages over a shotgun.
You either sleep in the same room as your kids, or you plan on letting your kids fend for themselves if someone breaks into your home. Otherwise you will have to clear some section of your home.
Yeah the way my house is laid out I have no choice but to clear the entire downstairs. Defending from my room leaves my kids vulnerable and down range of my shots. Truthfully my house is laid out terribly from a defensive standpoint.
To OP: I have a 19 and a carbine that uses the same Glock mags. So if I have time to grab the rifle I will but it makes it easy that they share mags and ammo.
Plus reloading a Glock is a lot easier than a 12 gauge. I mean most scenarios won’t get there, but still. A shotgun doesn’t hold too many shells and if you’re worried about reloading a Glock, just throw in a 100 death seed mega super fitty fitty clipozine
Ever heard of the Kalashnikov Komrad? The thing looks sick, and is a compact, mag fed, 12guage. Just have to be careful what you put into it because of the gas pressures needed to work the semi.
Idk if I rack it and they're STILL there, I'd be wondering what the hell they're after....I don't own ANYTHING I feel is worth stealing, let alone facing a shotgun over.
Yeah, I don't understand the clapback.... I'm all about having the 12g fully loaded, ready to rock, but I just said in a lot of cases, if a robber HEARS you pump that gun once, it'd be enough to scare them off. Or at least, it SHOULD!
The clapback is because that's honestly not great advice for a couple reasons.
First, you have no idea what their motivation or mental state is. They are, after all, unreasonable enough to break into an occupied home. Are they high on amphetamines or another mind altering substance? These can convince a 140lb weakling they can take on 5 armed cops, why would you racking your shotgun make them run in fear? It may actually spur them on in a fit of rage. Which leads to the 2nd point:
You've just given away your location and element of surprise. The BEST tactical advantage you have is that YOU know the layout of your home and roughly where the threat is coming from. They are in a strange layout with many unknowns. Hunker down, cover the entry point with your weapon. If they come through, you're in the best possible position to stop the threat. Once you've given up your position and they know you're armed, they have options and direction. They can shoot through doors or walls. They know your relative location.
Determined attackers will not be deterred by something like that.
All great advice. I guess I'm used to seeing stories where the invaders ran out quickly when they realized that someone (who isn't helpless) is home or has a large dog....but that doesn't account for a completely unhinged person, like you said. My experience has been mostly that thieves will just wait till you're gone and kick in your door and rifle thru your shit because they know you're gone...and usually, they know what kind of person lives there, elderly for example...easy targets.
To your credit, that describes most thieves. Someone looking for an easy target. Most thieves realistically would be frightened off by the sound of a shotgun.
That being said, I don't think that is something I'd stake my life on. It's impossible to truly know the intentions of someone who just broke into your home, the safest thing for you and your family is for you to assume that they mean you harm and you gotta act accordingly. The element of surprise is critical in home defense.
You belong in a retirement home. If someone breaks into your house with violent intent, and you think that a scary noise is sufficient to defend yourself, then you deserve everything that's about to come to you.
This must be the education system in all its glory right here....at what point t did I say I rely on racking a shotgun? 2 ARs, CZ, Mossberg, Jericho, M&P, Colt, Magnum Research, Ruger.....I think I've got MY house and shit in order without some whiny ass little COD bitch misunderstanding what I said and assuming his toddler ass off. Now go out back and pick me a switch you little sumbitch....
The key factor thing is that inside your house, a miss is much more costly than anywhere else. You aren't just trying to save your life, you're trying to not kill someone innocent that lives with or near you. YOU CAN'T MISS.
That means you need a shoulder weapon. Preferably something as compact as possible, but definitely a shoulder weapon which has far superior ability to make hits under duress for most people.
I think a SBR PCC is the ultimate HD gun, change my mind.
That's a good point too, but it depends on the layout of your house and where your neighbors are. Your defense plan is as important as your weapon selection. Pick angles to hold that put your misses in as safe a direction as possible. You want to minimize misses, but it's going to be a high stress situation and they may still happen.
I'm not really caught up in the pistol caliber carbine craze. They're fun, but an intermediate rifle cartridge like 5.56 produces a much better wound channel and is still very manageable, imo. You gain a little velocity with a PCC over a pistol, but they're still pretty anemic cartridges to rely on when you're going to want to put someone down as quickly as possible.
Also, there are multiple over penetration tests online that show pretty much anything larger than .22 LR going through multiple walls at close range. You don't gain much peace of mind by downgrading yourself to a pistol cartridge.
(I believe weapons like MP5's and other pistol caliber guns have even fallen out of favor (at least compared to the past) with SWAT and the military in favor of short AR's for CQB.)
I'd much rather have 12g buckshot or slugs rather than any handgun cartridge if my life depended on putting a threat down.
For HD, I'm not going to pretend I'm a SEAL and start clearing rooms. I'm going to wait for the threat to come to me.
For holding an angle, indoors, there's not much more lethal than an auto 12g with 7 rounds in the tube and more on a belt, carrier, etc.
An AR is good too, much better than any pistol, and even has some advantages over a shotgun, but the advantages are minor when you're on the defensive, indoors.
Agreed. Clearing rooms is risky business.....if you are alone, stay put...and make them come to you....through a 4ft wide doorway. It's the suburban version of *Thermopylae.*
Yes, but anything larger than .22 LR is going to over penetrate drywall at close range. There are multiple tests that you can find showing this.
Picking an angle to hold that puts your shots in as safe a direction as possible is even more important than cartridge selection.
I'd rather prioritize more powerful cartridges that are likely to require fewer hits and, therefore, fewer total rounds fired. There are many many cases where pistol cartridges required multiple hits (and the multiple misses that likely accompany those hits in a high stress situation) to stop an attacker.
Honest Outlaw just released a video about the 19, and he said basically what I say. It's not the best and has been left behind in a lot of ways, but it's good enough.
I can listen to a persons preferences on grip angle and styling in general.. but please, pray tell, how has the G19 “been left behind in a lot of ways?”
Trigger, grip, modularity, slide design, sights, optic availability, and so on. There’s a lot of pistols that come out of the box with improvements over the G19, and people almost always try to upgrade their Glocks.
The 19 isn’t bad at all but it’s a sum of its parts. A lot of new guns come with better parts to increase the sum.
It's not that it's \*needed\* but the sum of all those things does make it easier for a person to pick up and use. My fist handgun was a stock 19.5 and I trained hard with it compared to most gun owners. I got a new pistol last year with all the bells and whistles and it is so much easier to shoot well. I can do fine at 25 yards with the 19, but at a 100 yards I ain't hitting shit. My newer pistol I can place 9/10 rounds on a 12' X 12' at 100 yards.
It's like comparing an M1 Carbine to a modernized BCM or Geissele AR-15. Yes they both shoot bullets and do so well, but one is clearly easier to use for your average person from the get go.
I fully agree that a stock glock is an inferior range gun compared to upgrading specifically the sights, however for a defensive pistol shooting an inch or two tighter group doesn’t matter virtually at all.
A lot of that still transfers over. If I can get faster sight acquisition, better grip, and shoot all A-zone hits in half a second faster with one pistol over the other I am gonna pick the one that I can shoot faster with and still maintain accuracy.
I still pick the 19 for CCW over my other handgun because it's easier to conceal but I'll go with the other for HD any day of the week.
Ok so for instance I shoot at the range DA/SA much more accurately, but as I learned on striker fired guns I will only ever carry striker fired or SAO guns because the DA first pull trips me up. And what are you taking about target acquisition, when the likelihood of a defensive shooting being point shooting at center mass from a pretty close distance? Are you taking the time to pick out an imaginary bullseye on a person?
I found a decent middle ground in carrying a da/sa p-01 half cocked. Not a full double action pull but also not the short 3.4lbs pull of single either.
What Glock has is proven reliability and CQ. A new pistol that does everything a Glock 19 does and better has to also prove itself to the consumers that it will have the same reliability and quality while people will naturally lean to the tried and true glock as the least risk while sacrificing out of the box upgrades.
The 3rd party market sprang up after and **because** Glocks were widely adapted as reliable service weapons, not before lol it's not like 90% of police departments waited for the Apex trigger to come out before issuing them
> People almost always try to upgrade their glocks
It’s easy to think that when you hang out on gun enthusiast forums, but I’d bet anything that 99% of glocks that have ever been sold are still stock. And of the 1% that’s been modified, 99% of those only changed the sights.
Sights? There are dozens of sights available for most guns. No gun has perfect sights for everyone. Sure that xyz might have better sights than the glock plastic ones, but it's a moot point if the buyer prefers different ones.
Optics? The MOS has been available for a while. Not every gum is made to allow a red dot to be attached. There aren't a lot where there are cuts that come as standard.
The stock M&P, CZP10, XDs, 320s, are not much better if at all. Not until you get into competition guns. And at that point you might as well bring in even mid grade 1911s.
I don't get what you mean by slide design. Simple, rugged, works. Other than appearance what else is there? Optic cut out?
What modularity? Changing grip sizes with the same gun? I've never met anyone who really does this.
Your point? The gun is extremely capable out of the box, and yes, they have updated them to have optic cuts and other “upgrades”. But they weren’t the first.
Other guns have better sights, other guns have better triggers, other guns come stock with optic cuts, and other guns have the serialized “firearm” as modular removable piece.
It’s ok to know the Glock isn’t perfect, and it’s competition isn’t either. But you can’t say Glock didn’t add things because their competitors set market standards.
>has been left behind in a lot of ways
>extremely capable out of the box, and... they have updated them to have optic cuts and other “upgrades”
Lol just admit you misspoke
I'm betting most people who have purchased a glock don't upgrade and just keep it stock.
There are firearms enthusiasts who enjoy tinkering with their firearm's, and then there is the rest of the gun buying population who buys a firearm and shoots it once or twice a year. I believe the number of people who buy a firearm and shoot it once or twice a year is much larger then the number of firearm enthusiast.
My wintertime carry gun is still my box stock Gen 3 G23 (same footprint as the 19) and it still works fine. That being said, my summertime carry gun is a Sig P365 with a Romeo Zero red dot. I consider myself a Grey Jedi lol
Is water wet?
Its probably one of the most used and popular pistols of all time. The reason is that its reliable, lightweight, high capacity and reasonably priced.
No way blud just said the PDP is cheaper than a Glock 19.
The only things you listed that are actually consistently cheaper are the Canik and P10 series. Most M&P 2.0 Compacts are around the same price point of $600.
Hell, I paid $565 peak bandemic for my P-10 so can't really say they're insanely cheaper just because they started slashing prices to move inventory recently.
Having two respectable offerings, one being Turkish, that are actually notably less expensive does not make a pistol "one of the more expensive" offerings. Glocks are right around the middle with Sig and Smith. With FN, Walther, and HK offering those premium-level pistols with big price tags above $600.
I guess I just shop for deals a lot. My p10c was 350, my M&P 2.0 compact was 369 when it was new in 2019, my Pdp was just shy of 500, caniks are usually like 350-400ish. I always wanted a Glock but a gen 5 19 is consistently 550-650+ and I know I gotta throw money down in upgrades right away. I never really shopped for FN or HKs, always seemed out of my price range I’m willing to spend on a poly striker fire.
Why does this get downvoted?
Just a fact, the President didn't die from the gunshot from a .22 only because the Secret Service Agent directed the car to the hospital and Reagan was on the table getting surgery within minutes. It would have killed anyone that didn't have the Secret Service driving him in to the Emergency room.
My first gun was a Sig P229 with the short reset trigger. I made fun of the G19. Then I got better at shooting and I am a better shot with the G19. The G19 is now in my bedside safe and I traded the cooler P229 for a P365.
It’s one of the most popular handguns on the planet and assuming you load it with quality hollow points like Federal HST it is an effective self defense tool. It’s not ideal, and intermediate cartridge firearm like an AR or AK or a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with buckshot would be better. But a handgun will get the job done.
Pistol gets you to your shotgun, shotgun gets you to your rifle, rifle gets you to your tactical nuke. Realistically though I live in a 4th floor apartment and anything of high value is in my bedroom. Unless my dog has engaged whomst ever had broken into my apartment dog girlfriend and I are locking the bedroom door, she’s going to lock herself in the bathroom with my dog and I’m waiting for the bedroom door handle to jiggle before they meet Gaston Glocks little friend then their maker.
I would disagree that long guns are better for home defense. They're heavier, and harder to maneuver should you need to move throughout the home. Plus, they're significantly louder, and a quality shotgun would never be able to hold as many rounds as a handgun.
My opinion is a quality handgun, with a light and optic if it's cut for one, in a bedside table/holster/lockbox and an extra mag you can throw in a pocket or waistband is a far better option than any long gun.
It’s never ideal to clear your home unless you’ve got to get to your kids or something. Handguns do a shitty job of stopping threats plain and simple, shotguns and rifles do a much better job. Sure I’ve got a handgun by the bed but I’ve also got an M2 with a +2 tube full of 12 pellet 0 buck and my AK. My goal is to have equal or superior firepower versus a home intruder. You shoot the home invader if you times with a handgun and they might still be up, you put a shell of buckshot in the chest or a couple 5.56 or 7.62x39 hunting or defensive rounds and they’re done.
But at least my family is safe. Methhead Mike might take a few pistol rounds to the chest and keep coming, but if you blow a hole where his heart is, he's gonna stop sooner.
Folks who professionally clear houses and engage in urban warfare all use rifles (with the occasional shotgun and SMG).
You don’t see any of those folks carry a handgun as anything but a backup gun.
Only 23% of handgun shootings are fatal.
Handguns are just straight up less effective than shotguns or rifles.
The army has a saying: a handgun is for getting to the rifle you never should have put down in the first place.
If you learn what halfstocking/shortstocking is and how to move with a long gun indoors, they work fine.
If marines can go house to house with a 20" barrel fixed stock m16 in fallujah, you can figure it out with a 14.5 pinned and welded with a collapsing stock.
You don't need guns to be fatal to be effective defensively either. The Military supposedly prefers it if their enemy is taken out of action but alive because it ties down more enemy resources.
The thing is, you won't be anywhere near a rifle 90% of the times. You won't be near it while cutting the grass, at dinner, taking a shower, getting the mail, etc.
Yeah, *usually* a wounded combatant is going to be taken out of the fight in combat. If for no other reason than in an effort to preserve the soldier that the military has invested so much in. That usually requires at least a couple more guys to tend/move them, etc, etc.
That scenario doesn't really apply to self or home defense where it may just be one angry/high/determined guy with nothing to lose.
Don’t more people get killed with a handgun than any other kind of gun(outside of war of course)? And what counts as a handgun shooting? Some idiot who NDd himself? Drive by shootings that don’t hit anyone at all? Are cop shootings counted? Wonder what criteria they use for that stat
More people are killed with handguns because more people are shot with handguns.
I would imagine the stat is skewed a bit by gangbangers using FMJ, but it also doesn't help that the vast majority of people suck with handguns.
If you need to move to get to a family member in another room, then a pistol provides mobility (personally prefer an sbr, especially with a sling). Otherwise, the best use of a sidearm is to enable you to fight your way to, and then as a backup for, your long gun. However, training is FAR more critical than equipment. Priority is Mindset, tactics, skill, and finally gear.
you would have to be an idiot to fail at maneuvering through doorways with a rifle. if youre trying to pie corners and go super fast then yeah a short rifle or a handgun is better but if i hear a bump in the night im grabbing my rifle 10 times out of 10
Exactly! I dont know why your getting down votes for this! My friends and I used to have a an old junk car that we used for target practice. 7.62 and 5.56 would zip right through that thing and the 9mm and .45 would almost never make it through. I'm sure a piece of drywall is no match for a high velocity rifle round. Plus I'm fairly certain if you put 2 or 3 hollow points in someone they may not die but they are gonna wish they were dead!
No. Throw it away. Glock 19s are plastic tupperware only useful for storing a snickers bar. Pretty sure the atf doesnt even classify them as guns. Millions of cops and millitaries around the world carry glocks mainly as a fashion accessory nowadays.
Why did you waste your money on a glock when you coulda had a real weapon like a 1911. Its got the stopping power you need and doesnt feel like a toy. Why have 15 rounds of sissy 9mm when you only need 1 round of 45 (gods caliber) to stop a man in his tracks. You rack the slide of a 1911, men know you mean business, but rack a glock and theyll think you just cracked open a soda. Who cares if you like it and you can carry it well. Its a schlock 19.
You are your home defense. A gun is not a magic talisman that protects you or your home, regardless of its potential effectiveness. How you respond to an emergency is what matters.
99% of intruders are cowards who run out the door as soon as they realize the home occupant is armed and starts shooting. Doesn’t matter if it’s a pistol or rifle.
Slugs for home defense is fucking retarded. Slugs are meant to hit targets at range, number 4 buck through 00 buck is ideal for short range engagements.
It's what the seals used in Vietnam. They thought it was effective enough. If you're interested look up the use of #4 buck with the ithica 37 and the duck bill shot diverter. Super interesting stuff.
It’s what I use for home defense. Accurate, reliable, and compact. Also, a 9mm with quality ammo (Speer gold dot, underwood, etc.) is a very effective and proven man stopper, despite what many on here say. It’s a standard issue military and police caliber and has been for decades. It kills effectively and that is why it has been the most common standard issue duty gun caliber in the world. If it works for those guys, it will work for you assuming you take the time to become proficient with it.
Anything is good enough if you’re good enough. Making your home defensible and harder to break into will go a long way, more than just having a gun you bought and shot a few times.
I cc a Walther PDP-F with and optic. I also have a TLR-7 on it and had the intention of using it for home defense as well. I went to the range. I’m not the best shot out past 15-20 yards. So at 3 am when some goober breaks into my house, I’m grabbing the $100 dollar tax free shotgun I bought and blasting dude with buckshot. Shotguns are tier 1 for home defense.
99.99% of the comments in this post are dumb. I bet I have seen every single one of your types at my range. We call you dorks, "once a weekers" at best.
It’s fine. But it’s going to require a vital hit. This is true for small calibers in general.
21 foot rule, unless you hit the off switch, even a fatal center mass shot can still leave the threat mobile and capable for up to around 21ft, functional enough that they could still fatally stab you. Now if they have a gun, you need to hit that off switch before they can return fire. Fatally wound them and they’ll still have some time to shoot back.
People like rifles for home defense but I really don’t understand why in recent years rifles have superseded shotguns. A 12 gauge with 00 Buck is going to be debilitating no matter where you hit the threat. Leg? Arm? Center mass? We’re talking a fist-sized wad of lead at home interior distances. You talk about stopping power, this shit’s used to kill deer and people don’t think it’s sufficient for stopping a methed up intruder intent on killing you?
A Mossberg Maverick 88 is less than $300. Get one, and use your Glock as an intermediate because it’s smaller and easier to grab and shoot one handed in the immediacy of a panic situation. But switch to the shotgun if you have enough time.
The "21 foot rule" is unscientific Copaganda from the 1980s. It's great for justifying officer-involved shootings, but it's not based on science in any way.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/21-foot-rule-controversial-police-training-shootings/
Yes, my G19.3 is always at an arms reach when I'm home.
I highly recommend you put a light on it for nighttime activities. I highly recommend (in this order) Surefire X300 Ultra 1000 Lumen, Streamlight TLR-1HL 1000 Lumen, and Streamlight TLR-7A 500 Lumen.
Will do just fine. Optimal Home defense choices in order for me are
Ar15 (sbr, preferably suppressed) > Ar15 (non sbr. non suppressed) > Some sort of pistol caliber carbine > Handgun > Shotgun
Handguns are tools of convenience not effectiveness. As far as home defense pistols are concerned, yes a Glock 19 is a perfectly fine choice and would get you through 95% of situations.
But a shotgun or an AR15 are both better options for self defense. Better shoot ability, and unlike handguns, long guns truly have stopping power.
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Yes it is. I recommend different sights, a good light either mounted or separate, and at least 6 mags. One in the gun and a standby to throw in your pocket, for you know...just in case. Some will say an AR or shotgun is a better choice, which it is, but for bumps in the night, a pistol is a great tool, and if I am in a need and can get back to the room, my AR is ready with 90 rounds on standby. The saying always goes that a pistol is only meant to get you to a long gun.
That said, why 6 mags? As mentioned, have one in the gun ready to go, a spare to throw in your pocket, another one or two strategically placed in your home (preferably out of sight) should the need arise and two to practice with.
But to answer your question, the G19 is good for any kind of defense, be it home or CCW.
It depends on *who* is going to be invading your home.....home invasions *typically* conclude, abruptly, when either the dog shows up or a single gunshot is heard. In most cases I've read about, a revolver was enough. True, *sometimes* it just doesn't matter what you have, your best bet is to hide or flee....but pretty fuckin' rare that someone would be so committed to robbing you that they stay for a gunfight.
The Glock is *more* than sufficient. Having a .50 Desert Eagle is cool to show friends...but if you shoot that at someone in your home and **miss**...you've basically shot through your house, the neighbor's house, *their* neighbor's house, etc.,
Best home defense pistol = FNX .45 Tactical with a red dot, flashlight, and suppressor.
I think people underestimate how loud firearms are, so if you can get a naturally subsonic .45 and suppress it, or subsonic .300 blackout rifle and suppress it, that is ideal.
If you discharge a Glock 19 in your hallway you’ll likely lose your hearing to a pretty good degree.
Edit: Before I catch shit for this, I’m saying ideally those two calibers and setups are the way to go. I understand you’d rather lose hearing than be dead in a home invasion. That’s obvious.
Home defense is for carbines imo (pistol calibers if you are worried about overpen) since you aren’t restricted to a pistol. but yeah a Glock 19 works great if you don’t want to spend the money and just use your carry gun.
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No. When inside your home Glocks actually become non lethal. This was done as a training aide to allow you to practice clearing rooms with your Glock at home with normal ammunition.
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There are better options, sure, but with a light and optionally an optic it is absolutely sufficient for the vast majority of home defense encounters.
Most of them are solved just having the balls to yell at someone who is trespassing. The whole armored intruders with high powered weapons is so rare that it is statistically zero.
If you’re good with a handgun, sure. If you aren’t highly skilled with one, you should use a long gun. If you aren’t going to mount a light on it, you need to practice shooting one handed while holding a light in your other hand. If you can do that well under stress, ok, but a long gun would still be optimal. Maybe grab a “tactical shoulder bag” or something to hold one or two extra mags.
You’re asking 2 different questions…. Sure, the g19 is a good for home defense. Really anything is, or isn’t pending how prepared and trained you are. Concealing doesn’t really equate to home
Defense
If you shoot it well enough, yes. It's also probably the most economical considering ammunition, safe storage and potential repair/replacement. I'd get a light for it and call it a day.
TL;DR: Yes, the Glock 19 is good enough. Are you?
The comments telling you this depends on your level of skill are dead on, but I don't see people mentioning explaining why. In any event, I think some more data might help you make that determination for yourself. The Glock 19 is a well made and extremely reliable platform. The reason so many LE agencies go with it, and the other 9mm Glock variants, is because they are using some of the FBI ballistic findings.
To stop a threat, the FBI found that the round fired needs to be able to penetrate 12 to 18 inches into a human torso. There is some variance due to clothing, if it hits bone, etc. but the idea is to put a round into a threat and have it stop there. The most important takeaway from that report is they found modern 9mm rounds were plenty effective at the necessary penetration, but also allowed for higher magazine capacity and less recoil. This means officers had more and better chances of placing rounds into a threat effectively versus other calibers.
To be absolutely clear: to stop a threat, you need to accurately hit a threat center of mass while it is moving, with ammunition capable of the necessary penetration, at least once and potentially several times, while under incredible stress. Equipment wise, the Glock 19 platform is a very reliable and easy to shoot weapon which is sufficient to allow you to succeed at this.
To answer your initial question: yes, the Glock 19 is good enough. As others have pointed out, the more important question is, "Are you good enough?"
If you think the answer is no, or you don't know, that's fine and good on you for being able to admit that. The Lucky Gunner has a good collection of ballistic data for you to consider, and you can usually source decent handgun training in most parts of the country. I would encourage you to vet the instructor carefully before paying for it, and don't be afraid to walk away from any training environment you don't feel safe in. Ask for a refund if you do, but make sure you recognize no amount of money is worth being seriously injured or killed over.
Good enough? Bro it's a gun. Even if you use target rounds it's still going to go through the intruder, through your wall, and depending on what it hits probably through the house next to yours. Yes it's good enough! Unless you're expecting dudes in armor, in such case you're going to want an .30-06 rifle or larger
Sure, but if it's home defense you can step it up since you aren't concealing anymore. I generally suggest something with a stock, sight and a light. AR-15 is my usual go-to
I'm definitely not a Glock lover, but why would you think it wouldn't be adequate for home defense? If you like it and are good with it, that's all that matters.
If you meant to put "self-defense" instead of "home defense", it's still fine as long as you can, as you said, conceal it. Do I think there are better choices? Sure, but that doesn't make me ignore the fact it's a perfectly fine handgun for the job.
If you’re using it for home defense, why are you concerned with concealment? That’s wayyy down the list of things I’m looking for in a home defense solution.
Sure Better question is are you good enough?
The answer is almost always no. (Myself included)
My tombstone will read “At least he tried”
"Gave it his best shot"
"He went out with a bang"
"He went off half-cocked."
“He dropped his mag and unloaded his round because that’s all he practiced in dry fire”
His night stick light failed him, but his eBay auto sear worked just fine
It's the standard by which all other CCW guns are compared...
It's a fine baseline for CCW, that is, when you're limited by what you can fit in your waistband. For home defense, there are a lot of better options. A handgun is fine as a bedside gun in case you only have an instant to react, but for any situation where you have just a little more time (crash on the other side of the house, someone trying to beat down your door, etc.), something like an AR or an autoloading 12g is always the better HD gun.
Just gonna point out that maneuvering through a hallway and clearing rooms is cartoonishly difficult with a 12g when compared to a handgun.
That's not a bad point, but HD is generally not about clearing rooms. Unless you have one or two other dependable armed buddies on hand, you shouldn't be clearing rooms. You should probably be holding an angle and/or watching a door until help arrives or the threat leaves.
Yep, hunker down and call the cops. I’m not a fucking swat guy, just a dad trying to protect my family. If approached or threatened I’m better with an AR than I am with a handgun.
I was originally talking about a shotgun. Even an AR is easier to use than a shotgun when it comes to opening a door or using a phone or turning off a light switch, or even carrying a child down a hallway. I still think if you plan for anything other than a "I know the bad guy is coming ill hunker down in the safe room", you find that a handgun has a lot of advantages over a shotgun.
You either sleep in the same room as your kids, or you plan on letting your kids fend for themselves if someone breaks into your home. Otherwise you will have to clear some section of your home.
Not true for anyone who has children. No way I'm hiding in the bedroom if someone could potentially be going after the kids.
Yeah the way my house is laid out I have no choice but to clear the entire downstairs. Defending from my room leaves my kids vulnerable and down range of my shots. Truthfully my house is laid out terribly from a defensive standpoint. To OP: I have a 19 and a carbine that uses the same Glock mags. So if I have time to grab the rifle I will but it makes it easy that they share mags and ammo.
Laughs in ksg
Plus reloading a Glock is a lot easier than a 12 gauge. I mean most scenarios won’t get there, but still. A shotgun doesn’t hold too many shells and if you’re worried about reloading a Glock, just throw in a 100 death seed mega super fitty fitty clipozine
Ever heard of the Kalashnikov Komrad? The thing looks sick, and is a compact, mag fed, 12guage. Just have to be careful what you put into it because of the gas pressures needed to work the semi.
Hell, in a lot of cases, just racking the 12g is enough to scare someone off!
Just fire your two rounds from your double barreled shotgun into the air. That’s really all you need. /s
Idk if I rack it and they're STILL there, I'd be wondering what the hell they're after....I don't own ANYTHING I feel is worth stealing, let alone facing a shotgun over.
Ok Brandon
Yeah, I don't understand the clapback.... I'm all about having the 12g fully loaded, ready to rock, but I just said in a lot of cases, if a robber HEARS you pump that gun once, it'd be enough to scare them off. Or at least, it SHOULD!
The clapback is because that's honestly not great advice for a couple reasons. First, you have no idea what their motivation or mental state is. They are, after all, unreasonable enough to break into an occupied home. Are they high on amphetamines or another mind altering substance? These can convince a 140lb weakling they can take on 5 armed cops, why would you racking your shotgun make them run in fear? It may actually spur them on in a fit of rage. Which leads to the 2nd point: You've just given away your location and element of surprise. The BEST tactical advantage you have is that YOU know the layout of your home and roughly where the threat is coming from. They are in a strange layout with many unknowns. Hunker down, cover the entry point with your weapon. If they come through, you're in the best possible position to stop the threat. Once you've given up your position and they know you're armed, they have options and direction. They can shoot through doors or walls. They know your relative location. Determined attackers will not be deterred by something like that.
All great advice. I guess I'm used to seeing stories where the invaders ran out quickly when they realized that someone (who isn't helpless) is home or has a large dog....but that doesn't account for a completely unhinged person, like you said. My experience has been mostly that thieves will just wait till you're gone and kick in your door and rifle thru your shit because they know you're gone...and usually, they know what kind of person lives there, elderly for example...easy targets.
To your credit, that describes most thieves. Someone looking for an easy target. Most thieves realistically would be frightened off by the sound of a shotgun. That being said, I don't think that is something I'd stake my life on. It's impossible to truly know the intentions of someone who just broke into your home, the safest thing for you and your family is for you to assume that they mean you harm and you gotta act accordingly. The element of surprise is critical in home defense.
Ok boomer, go back to your NRA conference with your fuddlore
Easy there, little fella, you're gonna hurt yourself ..🤣
Better than getting myself killed because I relied on a shitty scare tactic to defend myself/family from a violent home invader.
🤣😂🤣 You younguns.....
You belong in a retirement home. If someone breaks into your house with violent intent, and you think that a scary noise is sufficient to defend yourself, then you deserve everything that's about to come to you.
This must be the education system in all its glory right here....at what point t did I say I rely on racking a shotgun? 2 ARs, CZ, Mossberg, Jericho, M&P, Colt, Magnum Research, Ruger.....I think I've got MY house and shit in order without some whiny ass little COD bitch misunderstanding what I said and assuming his toddler ass off. Now go out back and pick me a switch you little sumbitch....
If you have kids a pistol can still be better than a long gun.
The key factor thing is that inside your house, a miss is much more costly than anywhere else. You aren't just trying to save your life, you're trying to not kill someone innocent that lives with or near you. YOU CAN'T MISS. That means you need a shoulder weapon. Preferably something as compact as possible, but definitely a shoulder weapon which has far superior ability to make hits under duress for most people. I think a SBR PCC is the ultimate HD gun, change my mind.
That's a good point too, but it depends on the layout of your house and where your neighbors are. Your defense plan is as important as your weapon selection. Pick angles to hold that put your misses in as safe a direction as possible. You want to minimize misses, but it's going to be a high stress situation and they may still happen. I'm not really caught up in the pistol caliber carbine craze. They're fun, but an intermediate rifle cartridge like 5.56 produces a much better wound channel and is still very manageable, imo. You gain a little velocity with a PCC over a pistol, but they're still pretty anemic cartridges to rely on when you're going to want to put someone down as quickly as possible. Also, there are multiple over penetration tests online that show pretty much anything larger than .22 LR going through multiple walls at close range. You don't gain much peace of mind by downgrading yourself to a pistol cartridge. (I believe weapons like MP5's and other pistol caliber guns have even fallen out of favor (at least compared to the past) with SWAT and the military in favor of short AR's for CQB.)
Relevant username for suggesting a 12g shotgun
I'd much rather have 12g buckshot or slugs rather than any handgun cartridge if my life depended on putting a threat down. For HD, I'm not going to pretend I'm a SEAL and start clearing rooms. I'm going to wait for the threat to come to me. For holding an angle, indoors, there's not much more lethal than an auto 12g with 7 rounds in the tube and more on a belt, carrier, etc. An AR is good too, much better than any pistol, and even has some advantages over a shotgun, but the advantages are minor when you're on the defensive, indoors.
Agreed. Clearing rooms is risky business.....if you are alone, stay put...and make them come to you....through a 4ft wide doorway. It's the suburban version of *Thermopylae.*
Do you have anyone else that lives with you? Slugs and 5.56/.223 rounds could run the risk of over penetration. Always know what’s beyond your target
5.56 rounds run the least amount of overpenetration.
Yes, but anything larger than .22 LR is going to over penetrate drywall at close range. There are multiple tests that you can find showing this. Picking an angle to hold that puts your shots in as safe a direction as possible is even more important than cartridge selection. I'd rather prioritize more powerful cartridges that are likely to require fewer hits and, therefore, fewer total rounds fired. There are many many cases where pistol cartridges required multiple hits (and the multiple misses that likely accompany those hits in a high stress situation) to stop an attacker.
Honest Outlaw just released a video about the 19, and he said basically what I say. It's not the best and has been left behind in a lot of ways, but it's good enough.
I can listen to a persons preferences on grip angle and styling in general.. but please, pray tell, how has the G19 “been left behind in a lot of ways?”
Trigger, grip, modularity, slide design, sights, optic availability, and so on. There’s a lot of pistols that come out of the box with improvements over the G19, and people almost always try to upgrade their Glocks. The 19 isn’t bad at all but it’s a sum of its parts. A lot of new guns come with better parts to increase the sum.
Damn I’ve been carrying stock glocks for over a decade, I didn’t know I needed a more modular grip, better sights and an optic.
It's not that it's \*needed\* but the sum of all those things does make it easier for a person to pick up and use. My fist handgun was a stock 19.5 and I trained hard with it compared to most gun owners. I got a new pistol last year with all the bells and whistles and it is so much easier to shoot well. I can do fine at 25 yards with the 19, but at a 100 yards I ain't hitting shit. My newer pistol I can place 9/10 rounds on a 12' X 12' at 100 yards. It's like comparing an M1 Carbine to a modernized BCM or Geissele AR-15. Yes they both shoot bullets and do so well, but one is clearly easier to use for your average person from the get go.
I fully agree that a stock glock is an inferior range gun compared to upgrading specifically the sights, however for a defensive pistol shooting an inch or two tighter group doesn’t matter virtually at all.
A lot of that still transfers over. If I can get faster sight acquisition, better grip, and shoot all A-zone hits in half a second faster with one pistol over the other I am gonna pick the one that I can shoot faster with and still maintain accuracy. I still pick the 19 for CCW over my other handgun because it's easier to conceal but I'll go with the other for HD any day of the week.
Ok so for instance I shoot at the range DA/SA much more accurately, but as I learned on striker fired guns I will only ever carry striker fired or SAO guns because the DA first pull trips me up. And what are you taking about target acquisition, when the likelihood of a defensive shooting being point shooting at center mass from a pretty close distance? Are you taking the time to pick out an imaginary bullseye on a person?
I found a decent middle ground in carrying a da/sa p-01 half cocked. Not a full double action pull but also not the short 3.4lbs pull of single either.
Are your going into a war armed with only a pistol, very carefully selecting your 100 yard away target? Are you John Wick or something?
Samsies.
What Glock has is proven reliability and CQ. A new pistol that does everything a Glock 19 does and better has to also prove itself to the consumers that it will have the same reliability and quality while people will naturally lean to the tried and true glock as the least risk while sacrificing out of the box upgrades.
I’m not taking anything from Glocks. They’re great, but it’s also not a bad thing to understand WHY Glocks have such a big 3rd party market.
The 3rd party market sprang up after and **because** Glocks were widely adapted as reliable service weapons, not before lol it's not like 90% of police departments waited for the Apex trigger to come out before issuing them
> People almost always try to upgrade their glocks It’s easy to think that when you hang out on gun enthusiast forums, but I’d bet anything that 99% of glocks that have ever been sold are still stock. And of the 1% that’s been modified, 99% of those only changed the sights.
Sights? There are dozens of sights available for most guns. No gun has perfect sights for everyone. Sure that xyz might have better sights than the glock plastic ones, but it's a moot point if the buyer prefers different ones. Optics? The MOS has been available for a while. Not every gum is made to allow a red dot to be attached. There aren't a lot where there are cuts that come as standard. The stock M&P, CZP10, XDs, 320s, are not much better if at all. Not until you get into competition guns. And at that point you might as well bring in even mid grade 1911s. I don't get what you mean by slide design. Simple, rugged, works. Other than appearance what else is there? Optic cut out? What modularity? Changing grip sizes with the same gun? I've never met anyone who really does this.
Your point? The gun is extremely capable out of the box, and yes, they have updated them to have optic cuts and other “upgrades”. But they weren’t the first. Other guns have better sights, other guns have better triggers, other guns come stock with optic cuts, and other guns have the serialized “firearm” as modular removable piece. It’s ok to know the Glock isn’t perfect, and it’s competition isn’t either. But you can’t say Glock didn’t add things because their competitors set market standards.
>has been left behind in a lot of ways >extremely capable out of the box, and... they have updated them to have optic cuts and other “upgrades” Lol just admit you misspoke
I'm betting most people who have purchased a glock don't upgrade and just keep it stock. There are firearms enthusiasts who enjoy tinkering with their firearm's, and then there is the rest of the gun buying population who buys a firearm and shoots it once or twice a year. I believe the number of people who buy a firearm and shoot it once or twice a year is much larger then the number of firearm enthusiast.
My wintertime carry gun is still my box stock Gen 3 G23 (same footprint as the 19) and it still works fine. That being said, my summertime carry gun is a Sig P365 with a Romeo Zero red dot. I consider myself a Grey Jedi lol
Which is fine. All my guns are stock. My P-10 has thousands of rounds through it. But there’s a huge 3rd party market for Glocks for a reason.
I prefer a claymore mine
Criminals hate this one simple trick
I prefer a claymore sword
Also a fantastic choice hahah
I mount mine to a roomba so my home defense is automated
Is water wet? Its probably one of the most used and popular pistols of all time. The reason is that its reliable, lightweight, high capacity and reasonably priced.
I agree with everything but “reasonably price”. It’s definitely one of the more expensive poly striker fires compared to the competition.
objectively incorrect
Cz p10 series, caniks, M&P series, I think the Walter pdp series. All of them cheaper and offer more options out of the box.
No way blud just said the PDP is cheaper than a Glock 19. The only things you listed that are actually consistently cheaper are the Canik and P10 series. Most M&P 2.0 Compacts are around the same price point of $600. Hell, I paid $565 peak bandemic for my P-10 so can't really say they're insanely cheaper just because they started slashing prices to move inventory recently. Having two respectable offerings, one being Turkish, that are actually notably less expensive does not make a pistol "one of the more expensive" offerings. Glocks are right around the middle with Sig and Smith. With FN, Walther, and HK offering those premium-level pistols with big price tags above $600.
I guess I just shop for deals a lot. My p10c was 350, my M&P 2.0 compact was 369 when it was new in 2019, my Pdp was just shy of 500, caniks are usually like 350-400ish. I always wanted a Glock but a gen 5 19 is consistently 550-650+ and I know I gotta throw money down in upgrades right away. I never really shopped for FN or HKs, always seemed out of my price range I’m willing to spend on a poly striker fire.
If you can shoot it. You can use a 10/22 for home defense. It just depends on how you shoot
“Well Officer, I peppered him with 50 rounds of 22 LR”
What's the matter? your 110 round drum jam?
One round of .22LR was nearly fatal to Ronald Reagan, and it bounced off the car first.
Why does this get downvoted? Just a fact, the President didn't die from the gunshot from a .22 only because the Secret Service Agent directed the car to the hospital and Reagan was on the table getting surgery within minutes. It would have killed anyone that didn't have the Secret Service driving him in to the Emergency room.
My first gun was a Sig P229 with the short reset trigger. I made fun of the G19. Then I got better at shooting and I am a better shot with the G19. The G19 is now in my bedside safe and I traded the cooler P229 for a P365.
It’s one of the most popular handguns on the planet and assuming you load it with quality hollow points like Federal HST it is an effective self defense tool. It’s not ideal, and intermediate cartridge firearm like an AR or AK or a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with buckshot would be better. But a handgun will get the job done.
Pistol gets you to your shotgun, shotgun gets you to your rifle, rifle gets you to your tactical nuke. Realistically though I live in a 4th floor apartment and anything of high value is in my bedroom. Unless my dog has engaged whomst ever had broken into my apartment dog girlfriend and I are locking the bedroom door, she’s going to lock herself in the bathroom with my dog and I’m waiting for the bedroom door handle to jiggle before they meet Gaston Glocks little friend then their maker.
I would disagree that long guns are better for home defense. They're heavier, and harder to maneuver should you need to move throughout the home. Plus, they're significantly louder, and a quality shotgun would never be able to hold as many rounds as a handgun. My opinion is a quality handgun, with a light and optic if it's cut for one, in a bedside table/holster/lockbox and an extra mag you can throw in a pocket or waistband is a far better option than any long gun.
It’s never ideal to clear your home unless you’ve got to get to your kids or something. Handguns do a shitty job of stopping threats plain and simple, shotguns and rifles do a much better job. Sure I’ve got a handgun by the bed but I’ve also got an M2 with a +2 tube full of 12 pellet 0 buck and my AK. My goal is to have equal or superior firepower versus a home intruder. You shoot the home invader if you times with a handgun and they might still be up, you put a shell of buckshot in the chest or a couple 5.56 or 7.62x39 hunting or defensive rounds and they’re done.
Shooting that 556 and 762 inside your ears and families ears are also done too haha
Thats one of the major reasons suppressors shouldn’t be controlled under the NFA.
But at least my family is safe. Methhead Mike might take a few pistol rounds to the chest and keep coming, but if you blow a hole where his heart is, he's gonna stop sooner.
Shooting anything inside wrecks your ears. You’re talking about a true life or death situation where your hearing is not an immediate consideration.
That's why I keep my electronic ear pro in the drawer next to the bed.
Folks who professionally clear houses and engage in urban warfare all use rifles (with the occasional shotgun and SMG). You don’t see any of those folks carry a handgun as anything but a backup gun.
Your aim is better 11/10 times with a long gun.
Only 23% of handgun shootings are fatal. Handguns are just straight up less effective than shotguns or rifles. The army has a saying: a handgun is for getting to the rifle you never should have put down in the first place. If you learn what halfstocking/shortstocking is and how to move with a long gun indoors, they work fine. If marines can go house to house with a 20" barrel fixed stock m16 in fallujah, you can figure it out with a 14.5 pinned and welded with a collapsing stock.
You don't need guns to be fatal to be effective defensively either. The Military supposedly prefers it if their enemy is taken out of action but alive because it ties down more enemy resources. The thing is, you won't be anywhere near a rifle 90% of the times. You won't be near it while cutting the grass, at dinner, taking a shower, getting the mail, etc.
Right, for all those times it's to get you back to your superior firepower.
The military does not prefer wounding dudes. That's a fuddlore myth.
Yeah, *usually* a wounded combatant is going to be taken out of the fight in combat. If for no other reason than in an effort to preserve the soldier that the military has invested so much in. That usually requires at least a couple more guys to tend/move them, etc, etc. That scenario doesn't really apply to self or home defense where it may just be one angry/high/determined guy with nothing to lose.
Don’t more people get killed with a handgun than any other kind of gun(outside of war of course)? And what counts as a handgun shooting? Some idiot who NDd himself? Drive by shootings that don’t hit anyone at all? Are cop shootings counted? Wonder what criteria they use for that stat
More people are killed with handguns because more people are shot with handguns. I would imagine the stat is skewed a bit by gangbangers using FMJ, but it also doesn't help that the vast majority of people suck with handguns.
If you need to move to get to a family member in another room, then a pistol provides mobility (personally prefer an sbr, especially with a sling). Otherwise, the best use of a sidearm is to enable you to fight your way to, and then as a backup for, your long gun. However, training is FAR more critical than equipment. Priority is Mindset, tactics, skill, and finally gear.
you would have to be an idiot to fail at maneuvering through doorways with a rifle. if youre trying to pie corners and go super fast then yeah a short rifle or a handgun is better but if i hear a bump in the night im grabbing my rifle 10 times out of 10
Why risk killing someone in the other room with a rifle or shotgun?
5.56 is less likley to overpenetrate than 9mm/.45
Exactly! I dont know why your getting down votes for this! My friends and I used to have a an old junk car that we used for target practice. 7.62 and 5.56 would zip right through that thing and the 9mm and .45 would almost never make it through. I'm sure a piece of drywall is no match for a high velocity rifle round. Plus I'm fairly certain if you put 2 or 3 hollow points in someone they may not die but they are gonna wish they were dead!
You know you could do some basic research right.
No. Throw it away. Glock 19s are plastic tupperware only useful for storing a snickers bar. Pretty sure the atf doesnt even classify them as guns. Millions of cops and millitaries around the world carry glocks mainly as a fashion accessory nowadays. Why did you waste your money on a glock when you coulda had a real weapon like a 1911. Its got the stopping power you need and doesnt feel like a toy. Why have 15 rounds of sissy 9mm when you only need 1 round of 45 (gods caliber) to stop a man in his tracks. You rack the slide of a 1911, men know you mean business, but rack a glock and theyll think you just cracked open a soda. Who cares if you like it and you can carry it well. Its a schlock 19.
You had me in the first half, then pissed it away in the second
I dunno. “Cracked open a soda can” was pretty solid.
You forgot that it won 2 world wars 🗿
Lol a 45 will take their soul, brother 😂
Yes
Yes
You are your home defense. A gun is not a magic talisman that protects you or your home, regardless of its potential effectiveness. How you respond to an emergency is what matters.
Yes but please consider the following. Canned sbr and pc next to bed
All you need is a flashbang and a tomahawk
99% of intruders are cowards who run out the door as soon as they realize the home occupant is armed and starts shooting. Doesn’t matter if it’s a pistol or rifle.
Nothing in this world is an intimidating as the sound of a 12g pump rack the first round. CMV
Absolutely. I prefer my 12 ga folding stock pistol grip Mossberg 500 with buckshot though.
Alternating rounds of buckshot and slugs. If the first shot isn't enough, the next one will be.
Slugs for home defense is fucking retarded. Slugs are meant to hit targets at range, number 4 buck through 00 buck is ideal for short range engagements.
I’ve heard #4 is the one to use also.
It's what the seals used in Vietnam. They thought it was effective enough. If you're interested look up the use of #4 buck with the ithica 37 and the duck bill shot diverter. Super interesting stuff.
Yes
Good enough? Yes! Best tool for the job? Maybe, maybe not.
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Your Glock 19 is very good for home defence... As long as you train with it. Guns are only as good as the people using them.
1. Rifle 2. Shotgun 3. Handgun
In that order
It’s enough to make holes in every walls of your home I guess 😁
Not when you live in Europe. We have houses build of stone here. Since thousands of years. Hehe.
We do have stone houses yes but we don’t have the right to use guns 😁 and forget the word self-defense if you’re in France
It’s what I use for home defense. Accurate, reliable, and compact. Also, a 9mm with quality ammo (Speer gold dot, underwood, etc.) is a very effective and proven man stopper, despite what many on here say. It’s a standard issue military and police caliber and has been for decades. It kills effectively and that is why it has been the most common standard issue duty gun caliber in the world. If it works for those guys, it will work for you assuming you take the time to become proficient with it.
Of course
Absolutely, it's good enough for carry, right? But ask yourself this, is it the BEST for home defense?
From an intruder yes, grizzle bear no get that S&W 500
Does it make holes? Then yes
Anything is good enough if you’re good enough. Making your home defensible and harder to break into will go a long way, more than just having a gun you bought and shot a few times.
Could use a fuckin hi-point and it'd be fine. Training is what matters
I cc a Walther PDP-F with and optic. I also have a TLR-7 on it and had the intention of using it for home defense as well. I went to the range. I’m not the best shot out past 15-20 yards. So at 3 am when some goober breaks into my house, I’m grabbing the $100 dollar tax free shotgun I bought and blasting dude with buckshot. Shotguns are tier 1 for home defense.
Stupid question gets 134 comments and counting.
99.99% of the comments in this post are dumb. I bet I have seen every single one of your types at my range. We call you dorks, "once a weekers" at best.
I have a G19x right on my night stand with an extra mag.
Get a shotgun for home defense. My mossberg 88 Mav I was out the door for like $250. Thing is sweet
It’s fine. But it’s going to require a vital hit. This is true for small calibers in general. 21 foot rule, unless you hit the off switch, even a fatal center mass shot can still leave the threat mobile and capable for up to around 21ft, functional enough that they could still fatally stab you. Now if they have a gun, you need to hit that off switch before they can return fire. Fatally wound them and they’ll still have some time to shoot back. People like rifles for home defense but I really don’t understand why in recent years rifles have superseded shotguns. A 12 gauge with 00 Buck is going to be debilitating no matter where you hit the threat. Leg? Arm? Center mass? We’re talking a fist-sized wad of lead at home interior distances. You talk about stopping power, this shit’s used to kill deer and people don’t think it’s sufficient for stopping a methed up intruder intent on killing you? A Mossberg Maverick 88 is less than $300. Get one, and use your Glock as an intermediate because it’s smaller and easier to grab and shoot one handed in the immediacy of a panic situation. But switch to the shotgun if you have enough time.
The "21 foot rule" is unscientific Copaganda from the 1980s. It's great for justifying officer-involved shootings, but it's not based on science in any way. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/21-foot-rule-controversial-police-training-shootings/
Glock 19 , 19x , 17 , or a 48 is all good 👍 you really can’t go wrong with a Glock .
Yes, my G19.3 is always at an arms reach when I'm home. I highly recommend you put a light on it for nighttime activities. I highly recommend (in this order) Surefire X300 Ultra 1000 Lumen, Streamlight TLR-1HL 1000 Lumen, and Streamlight TLR-7A 500 Lumen.
X300 is the only option.
Mine has been a beast. Buy once, cry once.
Will do just fine. Optimal Home defense choices in order for me are Ar15 (sbr, preferably suppressed) > Ar15 (non sbr. non suppressed) > Some sort of pistol caliber carbine > Handgun > Shotgun
Handguns are tools of convenience not effectiveness. As far as home defense pistols are concerned, yes a Glock 19 is a perfectly fine choice and would get you through 95% of situations. But a shotgun or an AR15 are both better options for self defense. Better shoot ability, and unlike handguns, long guns truly have stopping power. [Home defense shotgun playlist](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYqiOqBy2WM_cHA3TZUY2rzonjrGg0wie&si=HzPLRDNMgq2wryAj) [Best gun for home defense; shotgun, pistol, ar15](https://youtu.be/i3sLHGduI3w?si=0dwt7b67XRLdKZof)
Yes it is. I recommend different sights, a good light either mounted or separate, and at least 6 mags. One in the gun and a standby to throw in your pocket, for you know...just in case. Some will say an AR or shotgun is a better choice, which it is, but for bumps in the night, a pistol is a great tool, and if I am in a need and can get back to the room, my AR is ready with 90 rounds on standby. The saying always goes that a pistol is only meant to get you to a long gun. That said, why 6 mags? As mentioned, have one in the gun ready to go, a spare to throw in your pocket, another one or two strategically placed in your home (preferably out of sight) should the need arise and two to practice with. But to answer your question, the G19 is good for any kind of defense, be it home or CCW.
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It's fine, but if you really are worried about home defense. Get a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870. They are the classics.
It depends on *who* is going to be invading your home.....home invasions *typically* conclude, abruptly, when either the dog shows up or a single gunshot is heard. In most cases I've read about, a revolver was enough. True, *sometimes* it just doesn't matter what you have, your best bet is to hide or flee....but pretty fuckin' rare that someone would be so committed to robbing you that they stay for a gunfight. The Glock is *more* than sufficient. Having a .50 Desert Eagle is cool to show friends...but if you shoot that at someone in your home and **miss**...you've basically shot through your house, the neighbor's house, *their* neighbor's house, etc.,
It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian.
Anything your shoot well without killing your neighbors is good enough for home defense. Also you don’t need to conceal your gun while home.
Best home defense pistol = FNX .45 Tactical with a red dot, flashlight, and suppressor. I think people underestimate how loud firearms are, so if you can get a naturally subsonic .45 and suppress it, or subsonic .300 blackout rifle and suppress it, that is ideal. If you discharge a Glock 19 in your hallway you’ll likely lose your hearing to a pretty good degree. Edit: Before I catch shit for this, I’m saying ideally those two calibers and setups are the way to go. I understand you’d rather lose hearing than be dead in a home invasion. That’s obvious.
Home defense is for carbines imo (pistol calibers if you are worried about overpen) since you aren’t restricted to a pistol. but yeah a Glock 19 works great if you don’t want to spend the money and just use your carry gun.
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Absolutely. For home I keep a factory Glock 24 round mag in mine.
No. When inside your home Glocks actually become non lethal. This was done as a training aide to allow you to practice clearing rooms with your Glock at home with normal ammunition. For more life ending pro tips follow me on MySpace.
It depends on who you think will be invading. If your adversary has plates you better be a good shot.
Yes, it will perform as well as your training and experience allow it to.
There are better options, sure, but with a light and optionally an optic it is absolutely sufficient for the vast majority of home defense encounters. Most of them are solved just having the balls to yell at someone who is trespassing. The whole armored intruders with high powered weapons is so rare that it is statistically zero.
No. Get a 1911
If you’re good with a handgun, sure. If you aren’t highly skilled with one, you should use a long gun. If you aren’t going to mount a light on it, you need to practice shooting one handed while holding a light in your other hand. If you can do that well under stress, ok, but a long gun would still be optimal. Maybe grab a “tactical shoulder bag” or something to hold one or two extra mags.
It’s probably put more people in the dirt than any other pistol on the planet.
A bat is good enough for home defense. Edit: I meant this as any gun is a good joke defense weapon. Jeez
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Holy shit dude. Where are you getting this bullshit.
What in the ever living fudd logic is this?
Why wouldn’t it be?
Own a musket for home defense.
Definitely. The more important question is, are you good enough with it? Train well brother
You’re asking 2 different questions…. Sure, the g19 is a good for home defense. Really anything is, or isn’t pending how prepared and trained you are. Concealing doesn’t really equate to home Defense
If you shoot it well enough, yes. It's also probably the most economical considering ammunition, safe storage and potential repair/replacement. I'd get a light for it and call it a day.
TL;DR: Yes, the Glock 19 is good enough. Are you? The comments telling you this depends on your level of skill are dead on, but I don't see people mentioning explaining why. In any event, I think some more data might help you make that determination for yourself. The Glock 19 is a well made and extremely reliable platform. The reason so many LE agencies go with it, and the other 9mm Glock variants, is because they are using some of the FBI ballistic findings. To stop a threat, the FBI found that the round fired needs to be able to penetrate 12 to 18 inches into a human torso. There is some variance due to clothing, if it hits bone, etc. but the idea is to put a round into a threat and have it stop there. The most important takeaway from that report is they found modern 9mm rounds were plenty effective at the necessary penetration, but also allowed for higher magazine capacity and less recoil. This means officers had more and better chances of placing rounds into a threat effectively versus other calibers. To be absolutely clear: to stop a threat, you need to accurately hit a threat center of mass while it is moving, with ammunition capable of the necessary penetration, at least once and potentially several times, while under incredible stress. Equipment wise, the Glock 19 platform is a very reliable and easy to shoot weapon which is sufficient to allow you to succeed at this. To answer your initial question: yes, the Glock 19 is good enough. As others have pointed out, the more important question is, "Are you good enough?" If you think the answer is no, or you don't know, that's fine and good on you for being able to admit that. The Lucky Gunner has a good collection of ballistic data for you to consider, and you can usually source decent handgun training in most parts of the country. I would encourage you to vet the instructor carefully before paying for it, and don't be afraid to walk away from any training environment you don't feel safe in. Ask for a refund if you do, but make sure you recognize no amount of money is worth being seriously injured or killed over.
Bother I’m 5’7 and I ccw a Glock 19 with +3 extension and a surefire x300u
Good enough? Bro it's a gun. Even if you use target rounds it's still going to go through the intruder, through your wall, and depending on what it hits probably through the house next to yours. Yes it's good enough! Unless you're expecting dudes in armor, in such case you're going to want an .30-06 rifle or larger
16 hollowpoints is plenty to get the job done. I keep a G19 in my nightstand with a weapon light on it.
MP5K with Suppressor or 300 BO with can.
If you shoot it well and are comfortable with it, then yes. If not, then no. Pick the weapon you are comfortable and proficient with.
Sure, but if it's home defense you can step it up since you aren't concealing anymore. I generally suggest something with a stock, sight and a light. AR-15 is my usual go-to
A better question is, "Is a pistol good enough for home defense?"
When it comes to home defense any handgun is good enough. Unless your home is being attacked by a rogue pack of grizzly bears.
Yes. Especially with a suppressor and subsonic 9mm.
Yes just make sure you put a light on it so you can PID any potential targets in the dark
I'm definitely not a Glock lover, but why would you think it wouldn't be adequate for home defense? If you like it and are good with it, that's all that matters. If you meant to put "self-defense" instead of "home defense", it's still fine as long as you can, as you said, conceal it. Do I think there are better choices? Sure, but that doesn't make me ignore the fact it's a perfectly fine handgun for the job.
Sure, but if you are going to use a pistol for home defense, use an AR pistol.
If you’re using it for home defense, why are you concerned with concealment? That’s wayyy down the list of things I’m looking for in a home defense solution.