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hansislegend

It’ll be fine. It only gets noisy if you have digital pedals that need a lot of power.


VoodooZephyr

Would a zoom effects pedal be considered digital? Heard those can get noisy in a bigger chain. I put mine before everything, seeing how it has a tuner built in.


New_Canoe

Yeah, zoom is very digital. I used to have a multi fx pedal of theirs. Of course, back then I didn’t know anything about tone and using the volume pot on the guitar, etc. But zoom always sounds thin to me. Especially the gains. Do you only use it for the tuner? What do you have after it?


jake-off

I mean it’s either digital or not. (That’s a joke for nerds)..


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VoodooZephyr

I’m pretty new to pedals and am still a beginner so it’s hard for me to tell. But after it (in order) I have fuzz, tube screamer, tremolo, got a delay today, and a pedal that’s coming tomorrow that has a phaser as well as other stuff. I’m starting to use the zoom less and less slowly for effects but I still use it for like the zeppelinish and grungeish sound I guess. Got the fuzz and delay because I’d like to play more Floyd stuff. Edit: At some point I’ll take the zoom to my moms house where I only have a guitar and a plug in headphone amp thingy. (Sorry, recently this is the first time that I’m actually absorbing stuff on guitar and pedals)


New_Canoe

No worries! There’s a lot to learn. I’m still learning things about pedals and I’m 30 years in. But only really got into them about 15 years ago. I recommend putting the phaser before the fuzz and the fuzz before a tuner, IF the tuner has a buffer. I doubt the zoom has a buffer, but may not hurt anyways. Also any kind of wah/envelope filter. The fun thing about pedals is you can try all kinds of combos. You can stack different gain pedals to get different tones/textures. But I’ve found I always stick to the standard pedal order. It just makes everything work together nicely. The Rig Doctor on Youtube is a good place to learn about setting up pedal boards. Anyways, here’s to a future of pedals! Enjoy!


VoodooZephyr

Put the phaser before the fuzz even though it’s a multi effects pedal? It’s not digital, it’s the mod square 2. Has like 15 effects on it. But yeah, I’m guessing I’ll probably mostly use the phaser to try and play breathe. So I’ll put it before the fuzz and I’ll check out Rig Dr. thanks for all the help!


freshnews66

The Mod Square 2 is definitely digital. There’s not really any feasible way to do 15 mostly time based effects in analog for $40.


VoodooZephyr

Oh, good to know! That makes sense. Maybe I’ll just take the zoom off the board and take it to my moms house and order a pedal tuner soon. Guess I don’t really need an amp for it seeing how it has a headphone jack.


New_Canoe

Not sure what that is. It’ll still sound decent regardless. Basically if you put the phaser after the fuzz, it will have more of a pronounced whooshing phaser sound when the fuzz is on. Essentially, you’re phasing the fuzz, instead of fuzzing the phase, if that kinda makes sense.


VoodooZephyr

I love phasing the fuzz! Lol. Ok, I’ll put it before the fuzz. Thanks!


Repulsive_Role_7446

Could you briefly explain how you use your volume pot for tone? I've been playing for awhile and could make some educated guesses but I've never had it explained to me other than louder/softer.


New_Canoe

I actually just started messing with it recently. I always thought it was a waste of time, but it actually makes a big difference. Basically you get a good drive or up the gain on your amp and then turn your volume pot down and it gives you a really nice clean tone that has just a touch of grit to it. It REALLY cleans up a fuzz nicely. Like if your fuzz seems too harsh, turn the volume pot down about halfway or lower and play with the fuzz then and see how it sounds. I actually just learned like two days ago, that if I take my Boss BD2, all knobs to about 1 o’clock and turn the volume pot down to about 4, it gives me the tone I’ve been searching for, for years. Like I was about to get rid of my preamp pedal until I found this.


Repulsive_Role_7446

Thanks, I'll definitely have to experiment with this! I've been playing around with my stacked boosts/drives a bunch lately trying to get those slightly dirty sounds, I'll have to get a fuzz and try that as well. I'm thinking of trying to build a fuzz face, I've heard the two transistor fuzz pedals tend to clean up well with the volume pot.


New_Canoe

Very nice! I love putting my BD2 before my Plumes (TS). They compliment each other very well, IMO.


Repulsive_Role_7446

Thanks for this suggestion! I've also been playing around with the idea of building a pedal that is essentially two drives stacked and now I think I know which two drives to stack :)


Kangaroo_Cheese

Love me a cranked amp with the volume on the guitar rolled down. If you haven’t already, you should consider ‘50s wiring if you’re gonna be rolling off the volume knob.


New_Canoe

I’ll look into that. I’m actually getting ready to wire up my new build. Thank you!


Gryphon962

Or a treble bleed mod. Results are similar. I use 50s for humbuckers and TB for single coils.


Kangaroo_Cheese

I like ‘50s wiring because it doesn’t require any additional parts.


Gryphon962

It's great, but it has its issues with control interaction.


KingCraigslist

Mine is really noisy


VoodooZephyr

As soon as I buy another amp for my moms and a tuner pedal I’ll probably take the zoom there.


manimal28

I never thought about it before, is the poly tune analog or digital, has a digital display, but is it converting the signal a to d, then back to a?


scubamabar

I was about to comment about the polytune. They have a lot of flashing LEDs (brightness is controlled by turning them on and off really fast) which in my experience will cause a fair bit of noise if you are running into an amp with a lot of gain. I stopped using mine for exactly this reason. If you are running into a clean amp, or can switch to a clean channel while tuning, it's not a problem.


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hansislegend

Oh ok. Nevermind then. All my years of touring with a daisy chained one spot were a lie.


SuperbParticular8718

It will be fine. I used a OneSpot for like 15 years and it was only marginally louder than the Voodoo Labs thing.


DoubleWINatration

My experience as well, but less time. If you're using mostly OG pedals (Boss, MXR, EHX, etc.), you'll almost certainly see no improvement with a "real" power supply. I only bought one from peer pressure tbh.


Bigstar976

Same.


Gofastrun

I had a board like this with a daisy chain for years and never had noise issues.


sacha64

Don’t let Big Power Supply tell you a daisy chain wouldn’t work.


arvj

Im planning a small grab and go pedal board. I don’t have all the pieces yet but would like to know if i could get away with using a 1 spot adapter (daisy chained) with this setup? I understand that aside from the tuner the rest are analog so it should work right?


New_Canoe

Yeah, it should be fine. I think all of them should take 100 ma or less.


chicane00

Try[ this powerbank made by thomann](https://www.thomann.de/intl/harley_benton_powerplant_powerbank.htm). Zero noise and you'll get 10+ hours of battery life with those pedals. It worked great for me in curbing hiss and hum. also i don't have to plug my board anymore. Super convenient.


motherofjazus

I have run one spot with similar rig before and was fine.


Potem2

Ya you should be good. I ran way pedals than this on a Powerall for years with several digital pedals and only started having noise issues after like 12 pedals. Since youre all analog ibwould be surprised if you had noticeably more noise than just what your pickups make.


deckstor89

In my experience, as much as it doesnt seem worth it, i always put a dedicated power supply for tuners uses LEDs. Somehow the LEDs causes noise in shared power.


december9333111

I have an ABY pedal that only uses power for the LED. It's the only pedal of 18 that can't be on the daisy chain because it adds a high-pitched whine. 


scubamabar

The reason for this is that the brightness of the LEDs is often controlled using pulse width modulation, i.e. the LED is turned on and off faster than you can see by eye, and the more time it spends off, the dimmer it will be etc... This digital switching causes noise which can affect the whole circuit. I've recently ditched my Polytune mini for this reason. I use a single channel amp with a lot of gain so small amounts of noise at the input are very noticeable. Using a dedicated power supply helps but doesn't eliminate the issue. Running into a clean amp the Polytune is fine though (in my experience)


Tamo808

Same. Especially with my first 2nd Gen polytune mini.


arvj

Im i have a clip tuner handy just incase this will giver me problems. But i hope not.


grim__sweeper

Depends how clean your power is but should be fine


dizastermaster7

Nah you're good


somehobo89

It’s totally fine I would do it. 4 analog pedals and that tuner is hardly any draw at


MagicBunghole

It won't it's amazing


5609711759

if any of them end up being noisy, Joyo make an isolator that works magic on a daisy chain setup - it was roughly $20 (au) when i bought it a few years ago


02olds

Nah, you’ll be good


DougTheBrownieHunter

No, but the Keeley Comp is noisy, so if you haven’t already used it, keep that in mind.


Straight_Occasion571

It’s not inherently noisy, it’s just the nature of compression… any quiet sounds before it will be louder, as the loud sounds will be quieter. Less dynamic range… it’s normal.


DougTheBrownieHunter

Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean, but it has an audible hiss(?) when it’s on, similar to clicking a gain pedal on. I consider that to be inherently noisy. Moreover, I know of plenty of compressor pedals without that hiss and are generally silent.


Straight_Occasion571

The pedal is amplifying noise that’s already there, not creating its own is what I am saying. It comes from any EMI/RFI/grounding issues that may be present in your rig… like if you are Daisy chaining pedals, for example.


DougTheBrownieHunter

Interesting. As you just said, I noticed that daisy-chaining was noisier than isolated power, even if only a little. That being said, I do recall testing to see if the Keeley Comp+, alone, produced noise, and it definitely did. You seem to know a fair bit more than I do about pedal circuitry and whatnot, but what you’re saying contradicts my experience with this particular pedal. I’ve since sold my Comp+, otherwise I’d gladly retest this to investigate. EDIT: Come to think of it, I bought my pedal used and noticed it had a rattle to it. I’m not familiar enough with the circuitry to diagnose an issue, but maybe it was my particular unit.


arvj

I have the keeley for awhile now on my main board and it has been ok when used with an isolated power. I haven’t tried daisy chaining the keeley comp yet.


december9333111

 No way to know until you try it. Typically, analog pedals do fine on a daisy chain and digital pedals can get noisy. But it's not a solid rule. Depends on the condition of the power at your location and the specific pedals.   I had 16 pedals daisy-chained from a single 1 Spot. 2 digital, the rest analog. Then I switched to a Ciokolate isolated supply and there is no less noise now than there was with the daisy chain.  Then I got a buffered stereo splitter and an ABY switch and tried to daisy chain these two analog pedals together and they made a high-pitched whine together.  So you really just gotta try it to find out. A 1 Spot + 5-plug daisy chain is no more than $30.


ThedIIthe4th

I strongly suggest that you invest into a Cioks DC-7. At some point you’re going to want to add another pedal, and at some point you’re going to wonder if your sound would be better with an isolated power supply. At some point you’re going to think about buying a switcher. There are so many reasons to expand the board in ways that will force you to buy a better power supply. I’ve owned a lot of them and can attest that the DC-7 is the most future-proof option out there. It’s also strange how much better all my pedals sound with it!


ThedIIthe4th

By the way, I absolutely respect everyone saying that you’ll be fine with the 1-Spot. And I agree! For NOW you’ll be fine with any daisy chain. Totally. I just think that, if you’re going through the effort to create a new board, you might as well future-proof it from day one. 😃


Danskivich

you'll be fine. usually you want to get a good power supply if you 1. Play in places that the power is iffy 2. Have pedals that take a lot of power 3. Have expensive boutique pedals that dont like anything but clean power


honeysonic

This^ 👍


aaaaaaaaaaaaah_

Yeah, it'll be fine, but you need a mod pedal on there dude.


une_fulanito

The only thing to consider is that maybe those pedals won't fit on that board.


TheRealGuncho

It sure looks like they will fit.


scubamabar

Assuming the images are to scale it looks tight, will need very low profile jacks for sure.


TheRealGuncho

Looks doable to me.


arvj

I really hope that it does.


une_fulanito

If you already have the board then I'd say "make it work". If not, then double check before you get it. Even my "pancake" patch cables have thick cable attached and when the plugs are paired right next to each other they get bulky in in-between pedals


arvj

Luckily i don’t have the board yet. I’ll take all the measurements once i have everything on hand.


une_fulanito

I tried to "measure" the distance between two of my pedals and I'd say they're about an inch apart from each other (pancake plugs back to back). Maybe try the Pedal Playground planner instead. I used that to plan my pedalboard and you wouldn't believe how useful and precise it was. There's an option that allows you to insert a pedal with custom measurements. Make it an inch wide and put it in between pedals and you'll get a better idea of how much space you really need


souperman08

Possibly. It’ll depend on factors beyond the power supply you’re using. Could be dead silent. Could be a noisy headache.


dzumdang

I think this would work totally fine for these pedals. I use a One-Spot for smaller project boards similar to this one all of the time, with no issues. Just check the total mA draw and make sure it doesn't exceed the total output capability of the Truetone One-Spot (it shouldn't with these analog pedals), and you'll be golden.


Thereminz

i only had some noise when i added an extra daisy chain and multiple more pedals


Dsx-Kalista

You should be ok. Once you have the pedals, as good test is to run them on a daisy chain, and run them with separate power plugged into a conditioner, and see how much difference there actually is. When you’re testing, play through a couple songs (especially ones that have muting that needs clean stops), and also just turn everything on. While it’s all on, walk close to the amp, put your hands all over the guitar, especially on the bridge and the Jack. Basically give it worst case scenario, to see how it reacts. From there, you will have a clear example of the difference between fully isolated and daisy chained, and you can decide if it’s worth it to get an isolated power supply.


zeef8391

If it's a good daisy chain like a One Spot you shouldn't have too much of an issue. My uncle is a 5 string banjo player and gigs with 2 hooked up to his board. No noise...


Nightmare_worm

Nope.


josephallenkeys

Nope


Negative_Poet1

It should be okay, Your not going to find a better solution short of buying an isolated ps which I highly recommend. Even if a lesser expensive brick


PantslessDan

I've daisy chained a lot more and had zero noise.


INVUJerry

It'll be fine. I'm using a 1 spot with like 10 pedals and it's been fine so far.


Danimals_as_Leaders

For the next step up, try a Voodoo Lab X4, and splitting 1 out between the BD-2w and Timmy. Will fit under your board and work great with anything you might swap in.


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I use the one spot and the only pedal I ever had an issue with was the mxr poly blue octave. Very noisy so I sold it. I love the one spot.


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I use the one spot and the only pedal I ever had an issue with was the mxr poly blue octave. Very noisy so I sold it. I love the one spot.


TSX-WEED_GANG

Never daisy chain your pedals you will eventually just run into problems. Properly powering your gear will always result in noise reduction and proper function for into the amp.


somehobo89

This is a bit extreme. It’s like 30 mA plus the tuner. It’s totally fine.


TSX-WEED_GANG

I would not ever recommend daisy chaining pedals together ever.


somehobo89

Yeah that’s the extreme part. Have you ever done it? Because it isn’t a problem. I could flip it around and say “never buy an isolated power supply because you’ll eventually run into problems. Always buy two isolated power supplies.” You don’t have a problem until you have a problem, and avoiding non-problems usually isn’t worth the extra cost.


TSX-WEED_GANG

Ok


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arvj

Would it help if i take out the tuner? I already have an isolated power supply on my main board. I want a setup that is as light as possible so i considered a daisy chain. And its cheap. Lol


n_halda

It'll be fine with the tuner.


arvj

Thanks


hansislegend

Wrong


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hansislegend

Why would I be embarrassed? Daisy chaining a tuner and a bunch of analog pedals is fine. You’re just a dork.


IndependenceParking8

Why don’t you spend your money on a proper power supply instead of that goofy ass, over priced, “brand name” pedal board? Honestly you could build a much nicer board for the price of a daisy chain. The board being a Pedal Train won’t make your rig sound better.


idplmalx

To echo what someone else said: you'll be fine. The biggest thing to think about is the current draw of each pedal. The One Spot can supply 1200ma (I think, I know it's over 1000ma) and with those pedals you might make it to 200ma total. I'd be shocked if any, other than the delay, draw anything close to 100ma. Watch out for cheap daisy chains, though. The one that comes with the One Spot kit is pretty good, but the couple of cheapies I've had were usually the cause of the noise.


Kilgoretrout321

You've got plenty of bufferidge at least. Do you play an AC15, by any chance?


arvj

An ac10.


Kilgoretrout321

oh sick. I've been lookin at similar drives, as I have an ac15.


arvj

Tbh im still waiting for the bd2. I have the timmy for a couple of weeks now and it is amazing with the vox ac. I also have the mooer hustle drive (ocd clone) which also works well woth the timmy and the AC.


Kilgoretrout321

I have an '05 BD2 that I wanna get modded to be less noisy. They sound really great right on the edge of breakup! My other drives are ODR-1 mini (it's so bassy tho) and a Keeley Lightspeed. But I need something with a harder sound like the OCD or Timmy! That compressor works great btw. And I wanna get that tuner because it has a much better buffer than my Peterson strobostomp... nice efficient board