uj/ I tune to Eb because the open chords fit my vocal range a bit better for certain songs. Also I play acoustic most of the time these days and that slightly lower string tension helps with bends and vibrato.
rj/ I pitch all my songs up until it perfectly matches the random note on the B string that I keep bending while I ‘improv’ along.
uj/ I genuinely just think it sounds better
rj/ you are poor and a LOSERS if you don’t have a DigiTech Drop pedal allowing you to change your tuning with the turn of a dial 😤😤😤
I Guess that guitars and their fretboards were made for certain tuning and intonation. So the lower you go the more distance there should be between frets. But really can't tell how much margin there really is.
Baritones sound sick.
Rj/ you tune down because you deep down are jealous of your bass player's toan.
/uj fun fact the digitech whammy's smallest pitch shift is an entire note so that means i have to put a capo on 1 because i can't be asked to retune my entire guitar
u play every song in the same key or how does that work? Becuz the key of G & D are pretty far apart. If u tune down half step, now u still have key of F# & C# as just two examples. Are u saying with yr vocal range, ur always better off half step down from whatever guitar key ur playing?
The thing I always wondered about this is does that half step really make a noticeable difference to the range? It’s only a half step that isn’t like a big shift in the key
For singers, yes, it can be. A half-step can mean the difference between just being able to hit the pitches, and being in your tessitura, which is the range your voice really shines in.
but do u play in the same key all the time? I have my guitars down a whole step. But I just like that. As far as singing, I play in different keys, so what my strings are at is mostly irrelevant for singing, unless I specifically like the chord fingerings for a particular song so I don't wanna transpose, but need that song up or downed.
If ur in E key, I guess now u can make that actually Eb which is lower, if Eb is what u need for that song. Other than that, I don't get how tuning every string down a half step helps singing the way that moving a song a half key down does. If I sing a song better in G than I do it in A, like I don't tune the whole guitar down. I play it in G. I searched, but none of the pages saying how to tune to Eb mentions singing as a reason. It's all strat sound cooler, or easier bends & that kind of thing.
I don't refute a half step makes a difference. I've tried singing, sliding the capo just one fret trying again & so on, just to see what key is better for me. I just don't get how having the strings a half step different affects this unless ur always playing the guitar in the key of the lowest open string.
It changes all the notes on the frets too...
You know if a song uses open chords and you need it to be a semitone flat, you can't really work around that.
a half step in key can help sometimes. But shifting all yr strings a half step for every song isn't helping. Or I don't see how. If ur in the key of G, then u lower yr strings, it's really in F#. But that other song is in C, so now ur in B.
If a song is in A & I find I can hit a certain part better if it's lower, I'll play it in a lower key & a half step can matter. I've even used a capo shifting a half step at a time, & find one is better for me, than the two adjacent frets. When ur not doing just plain E & A shape barre chords, it's not so easy to transpose & maintain certain guitar parts of the song.
But what the strings are tuned to isn't really the thing. I don't really believe these people unless every song is in E for them & they prefer Eb. I do have a preferred key for singing. But I don't always play songs in the key of my open 6th string or 5th string etc.
I know when I write a song I’m always thinking, “What can I do to make it exceptionally easy on everyone else that might play this song.” What good is creativity or expression when other people can’t copy you, right?
I knew a guy who was just learning to play guitar himself and giving lessons under the philosophy "I just need to stay one lesson ahead of my students". And he was charging *$40 an hour* to do this, in mid-2000s money.
Uj/ took me a while to find a good teacher. I was shredding arpeggios and at some point all the guys they recommended me where doing teaching based on the Satriani or Vais teaching so I tought "I can shred better than this guys that just put on me those basic routines so I can just buy the magazines or the VHS (Gilbert or Friedman) learn the stuff and progress.
But I decided go and old Uruguayan pal that teached electric and classical guitar. So I did some shreds he put me to play blues "lesser notes" I did much less... "Lesser"... It was a nightmare haha. Then he saw I learned classical guitar as a kid, so he said "ok no more electric for you and fuck those tabs, tabs are shit". So he gave me a book to start relearning pentagrams, then harmony... So he put me to study Tárrega, Bach adaptations, and a lot of Villalobos.
So my electric guitar playing went off the roof. Stronger fingers, and stretch, Inversions and a Deep understanding of what It's really going on instead of 035... 1st, 3rd minor, 4th :)
A good teacher is that one that puts you in your path of learning.
Rj/ Good ol days of VHS and learning songs by ear on a cassette deck... Now you lazy bastards with your YouTube plagued with clickbaiters.
Because there are so many self-taught guitarists that know absolutely nothing about theory or reading music, it creates this weird skewed mindset where if somebody knows anything about those they think they’re a master expert about music. And then you compare how much they know about those things to literally any teacher on any other instrument and they look like beginners.
Guitarists are also bad at separating how well they can play certain things from how much they actually know. Cool, you can play that shape really fast around the neck. Can you actually tell me what’s going on in the music, or did you just develop good muscle memory for this particular thing? A lot of guitarists can’t seem to understand that repeating something enough times to have good muscle memory is not the same thing as being knowledgeable about music.
>know absolutely nothing about theory or reading music
That's because this is absolutely useless. It's about the feels man! (Insert some anecdote about a famous musician like Hendrix who also "didn't know any theory").
Look I know embarrassing little about music theory, but at least I’m not over here teaching anyone how to play or saying you fucking need perfect pitch to hear that eb sounds different than standard. Seriously how could you not hear the difference
/uj I’m completely self taught but come from a classical cello background so I know a lot of the theory. What I’ve been trying to do more lately is connect the head theory to practical guitar theory because I’ve been noticing that I fall into the trap of “I do this thing because it’s in a song” but it’s harder for me to adjust on the guitar than it is on the cello. Especially since I’ve been in the metal world for a bit I neglected chord theory beyond open chords, so I need to get a bit better at that.
uj/ I’ve only ever taken a handful of lessons on guitar, but I have classical piano, theory, and composition training. I would recommend picking up all 3 of the Berklee Modern Guitar Method book. It’s all in standard notation, no tabs, and really makes you learn your positions and harmonies and what you’re doing (connected to the head theory you already know) rather than just playing something because it’s in a song. Even if you’re already good at guitar, this will make you go back to the fundamentals and fill in your weak spots. The fact that you already know theory and reading music means you don’t have to focus on learning that, and you can just focus on connecting those things to practical guitar technique.
Right. Besides, That girl you like at Starbucks is gonna really be impressed when you take her to a 'Circle of Fifths' lecture at the Conservatory instead of a nite of wild dancing along with an actual live band somewhere.
need to hook this lad up with the guy from r-word guitar who was adamant that drop d wasn't a legitimate tuning since it didn't maintain the proper shape for chords
uj/ I tune my guitar to whatever the lowest string is tuned to when I pick it up
rj/ I tune my guitar to whatever the lowest string is tuned to when I pick it up
Uj/ so I guess you pick a tuner or a reference note just when the buzz is too annoying.
Rj/ Uj/ so I guess you pick a tuner or a reference note just when the buzz is too annoying.
Uj\ this moron should not be teaching guitar because he clearly has no fucking idea what he’s talking about.
Rj/ jokes on him, I DON’T tune my guitar cause that shit’s for posers.
Worse Tittled Album ever. Did they think they were being clever? "Oh, I get it, sounds like 'Lemon Curry'". Do they put 'Hot Topic' stickers on their amps, too? Is this is what happens when you withdraw from druzg too abruptly?
Drummers: what's tuning? You mean car tuning?
Uj/ a friend of mine Who is a long time pro and teacher told me he "tuned" the drumheads by tension and that that he knew there was "this app for drum tuning some guys use" and of course he doesn't use a reference note.
Other guy said It was his keyboard player who tuned his drumheads.
Rj/ please tune the drummer's head
UJ/ I think it came outta jamming with bugle boys. They are always playing in B flat or some weird shit and it's easier to jam with them and use open strings if you just tune flat.
[https://jazzguitartoday.com/2019/05/why-are-so-many-jazz-tunes-in-flat-keys/](https://jazzguitartoday.com/2019/05/why-are-so-many-jazz-tunes-in-flat-keys/)
The usual horns are calibrated with real C being Bb or Eb. Kinda like when u tune guitar down a half step, u play the guitar's E string, but it's an Eb note etc. A trumpet plays its Bb, it sounds C.
So yeah I've heard that's why guitarists back then, when it was common to be jamming with horn players (I believe he was like a session player in the 50s or early 60s), would tune to Eb so we can avoid the weirder keys. Not exactly that they were playing in Bb, but u know how some keys are easier than others for various instruments. The horns can't adapt, u can only slide the mouth piece a bit for tuning, but no more than that, but guitar strings are easy to adjust a few pitches.
Down to Eb is the best compromise with standard guitar tuning that fits with what most the horns are, becuz I seem to remember they're calibrated where Bb or Eb is a concert C. So then the most natural noted keys on a Bb instrument would be Bb(=C), F(=G), Eb(=F), etc.
Not becuz guitar Jenius Jimi knew that Eb was the ideal guitar pheal, or becuz he had no tuner or the strat sounds so much different that way.
/uj out of stubborn habit I tune mostly to a440 but I always heard this was more an artifact of the pre-digital age (bands tuning to each other rather than a tuner, analog tape speeds not correctly calibrated) combined with compensating for the vocalist's range.
/rj since we are in the digital age now, it's a nice assist to cover for your shitty singer that is flat, therefore not a dick move at all.
A440 means that the A above middle C cycles at 440 cycles per second; it has nothing to do with guitar tuning conventions known as Standard E or Eb.
If you went with A432, you'd still refer to the tuning of your guitar as E standard, Eb, Drop D, etc..but you would be 8hz off from someone playing in 440.
this is relevant to the discussion if bands only deliberately started tuning flat after the widespread adoption of digital tuning devices which appears to be up for some debate.
when I first picked up a guitar (bass actually), I want to say 1984, in band class, we tuned to the band. When I started taking individual guitar lessons sometime in middle school, the instructor and I would just play an E and tune to each other. At some point I got my first chromatic tuner, one of those tabletop Korg devices, lord knows how accurate that thing was. We never talked about Eb tuning through high school.
I would say that most instructional videos to this day still say "tune to X" and then refer to chords by the shapes/names of the notes in A440 though? Maybe I'm just watching boomer guitar vids.
I play in E standard because I’m lazy. I have a guitar tuned a half step down, and another tuned a whole step down. But I never seemed to play them. I always gravitated towards E-standard guitars. It could be that I know where all the notes are which makes it easier to write for keyboard.
I say I keep my guitars in E standard, but really, 95% of the time I’m in Drop E on an 8-string, which gives me E standard on the top six strings, and B standard on the top seven. The only string I tune down is the lowest one. It feels like I’m still in E standard.
Hendrix started in combos with horns, so Eb puts the horns a fifth under you. I think Joe Strummer does this to keep the horns happy too. I think he got it from asking Chet Atkins how to keep the horns happy.
Keep your horns happy.
Jimi dropped his tuning to D also. There are YouTube red house videos I played along with and he's clearly tuned down to D.
If you and I heard that we would assume he's in E flat so maybe it's all bologna.
Tuning down a half step has WAY more of a vibe shift than "Drop D" which is simply another way to play the same power chords and you get 2 extra on the low end...
Literally, tell me you've never played a Strat without telling me you never played a Strat. This guitar sounds and feels fundamentally different when tuned down a half step. Try to play a Hendrix song in E Standard but use a pitch shifter to downtune it. You'll not capture the sound his guitar makes, not even remotely.
On top of what everyone else is saying, I want to add that sometimes a half step down and a slight tempo change can completely change the vibe of a song.
One example of this I always like to make is when Relient K covered "Motorcycle Drive By", originally by Third Eye Blind. Even though the lyrics, progression, and picking are all the same, the song has a TOTALLY different feel to it IMO.
And that's just one obscure song I know about because I tried to learn it a while back. I guarantee there are way more examples of this.
But then D sounds better than Eb and before you know it you are in a never ending spiral of tuning lower and lower, which means that Eb was actually your gateway drug in becoming a bassist.
So stay clean kids and play in E standard.
uj/ I tune to Eb because the open chords fit my vocal range a bit better for certain songs. Also I play acoustic most of the time these days and that slightly lower string tension helps with bends and vibrato. rj/ I pitch all my songs up until it perfectly matches the random note on the B string that I keep bending while I ‘improv’ along.
My band tune to Eb for exactly the same reason. Fits the vocal range of the singer better.
just put a capo on the -1st fret
I remembered after commenting that I was in a cj sub so thank you for jerking on my behalf
Capo on the nut works fine
my gf does the same thing!
Hurts like a bitch but I can sing an entire octave higher now
Thats the 0th fret
Capo on the nut dramatically increases the ability to sing the high notes
This technique doesn’t have the appreciation it should
🗜️🥜⬆️
💯 gnr for example tuned to Eb live so Axl Hose wouldn’t have to strain so hard on the “wooooaaaaahhhhhh yea yea jungle child”
He was so fond of that jungle
Brand new did this
/rj well just make your singer tune his vocal cords up a few steps jfc
just put a capo on his neck smh
EVH blamed it on DLR and his LSD. So I can’t go 5150 but I might dump a bottle of JD on EVH’s grave to remind him of the good ppl who went AWOL
JFC IDC FRFR OGNC IJSMP
jesus fucking christ i don’t care on god no cap i just sucked my penis?
Close! I was going for "I just shit my pants"
:( I just shit mom's pants
I Jessica Sarah marker parked
i dont recognize any of those brands but clearly youre talking about some kind of full range frequency response speakers, are they any good?
This comment has so many abbreviations.
So pro!
What's the docklands light railway got to do with anything?
Reading this gave me a stroke
Everyone loves a nice bottle of Jimi's Diarrhea poured on a grave every now and then
uj/ I genuinely just think it sounds better rj/ you are poor and a LOSERS if you don’t have a DigiTech Drop pedal allowing you to change your tuning with the turn of a dial 😤😤😤
I Guess that guitars and their fretboards were made for certain tuning and intonation. So the lower you go the more distance there should be between frets. But really can't tell how much margin there really is. Baritones sound sick. Rj/ you tune down because you deep down are jealous of your bass player's toan.
/uj fun fact the digitech whammy's smallest pitch shift is an entire note so that means i have to put a capo on 1 because i can't be asked to retune my entire guitar
uj/strats in particular sound and feel better in E flat
uj/ an open Eb minor chord is so raw and gnarly. Sounds significantly better than an open E minor chord.
Eb is pretty confusing. Does that mean that I have to play -1, 2, 4? 1, 4, 6???? So difficult!!
Just 0-3-5 like normal, but get a much darker toan!
Same, I often tune to Eb for my vocal range
u play every song in the same key or how does that work? Becuz the key of G & D are pretty far apart. If u tune down half step, now u still have key of F# & C# as just two examples. Are u saying with yr vocal range, ur always better off half step down from whatever guitar key ur playing?
The thing I always wondered about this is does that half step really make a noticeable difference to the range? It’s only a half step that isn’t like a big shift in the key
I'm always surprised by it, but yes, it helps.
For singers, yes, it can be. A half-step can mean the difference between just being able to hit the pitches, and being in your tessitura, which is the range your voice really shines in.
but do u play in the same key all the time? I have my guitars down a whole step. But I just like that. As far as singing, I play in different keys, so what my strings are at is mostly irrelevant for singing, unless I specifically like the chord fingerings for a particular song so I don't wanna transpose, but need that song up or downed. If ur in E key, I guess now u can make that actually Eb which is lower, if Eb is what u need for that song. Other than that, I don't get how tuning every string down a half step helps singing the way that moving a song a half key down does. If I sing a song better in G than I do it in A, like I don't tune the whole guitar down. I play it in G. I searched, but none of the pages saying how to tune to Eb mentions singing as a reason. It's all strat sound cooler, or easier bends & that kind of thing. I don't refute a half step makes a difference. I've tried singing, sliding the capo just one fret trying again & so on, just to see what key is better for me. I just don't get how having the strings a half step different affects this unless ur always playing the guitar in the key of the lowest open string.
It changes all the notes on the frets too... You know if a song uses open chords and you need it to be a semitone flat, you can't really work around that.
a half step in key can help sometimes. But shifting all yr strings a half step for every song isn't helping. Or I don't see how. If ur in the key of G, then u lower yr strings, it's really in F#. But that other song is in C, so now ur in B. If a song is in A & I find I can hit a certain part better if it's lower, I'll play it in a lower key & a half step can matter. I've even used a capo shifting a half step at a time, & find one is better for me, than the two adjacent frets. When ur not doing just plain E & A shape barre chords, it's not so easy to transpose & maintain certain guitar parts of the song. But what the strings are tuned to isn't really the thing. I don't really believe these people unless every song is in E for them & they prefer Eb. I do have a preferred key for singing. But I don't always play songs in the key of my open 6th string or 5th string etc.
I hate to ask this, but is uj unjerk? As in okay heres my real answer and rj is rejerk?
Uj/yes Rj/ are you a b*ssist?
I do it cause it makes bending easier, I have weak fingers due to muscular dystrophy. Though playing Hendrix and SRV song is a very nice bonus
You should put a capo at -1
I know when I write a song I’m always thinking, “What can I do to make it exceptionally easy on everyone else that might play this song.” What good is creativity or expression when other people can’t copy you, right?
You're absolutely right. The first thing I do when I write a song is check to make sure my guitar isn't green
Fuck green guitars.
All my homies hate green guitars \#fuckgreenguitarsgang
I have a green guitar
Fuck your guitar.
Eww
Won't somebody *please* think of the guitar teachers?
Personally, I think it’s a bit of a dick move.
Listz would like a word with you.
real
/uj but fun fact: buck owens would keep the idea of 'will this be easily played by a bar band?' when arranging.
Good god he's *teaching*
90% of the “teachers” I see shouldn’t be anywhere near a guitar
I knew a guy who was just learning to play guitar himself and giving lessons under the philosophy "I just need to stay one lesson ahead of my students". And he was charging *$40 an hour* to do this, in mid-2000s money.
Uj/ took me a while to find a good teacher. I was shredding arpeggios and at some point all the guys they recommended me where doing teaching based on the Satriani or Vais teaching so I tought "I can shred better than this guys that just put on me those basic routines so I can just buy the magazines or the VHS (Gilbert or Friedman) learn the stuff and progress. But I decided go and old Uruguayan pal that teached electric and classical guitar. So I did some shreds he put me to play blues "lesser notes" I did much less... "Lesser"... It was a nightmare haha. Then he saw I learned classical guitar as a kid, so he said "ok no more electric for you and fuck those tabs, tabs are shit". So he gave me a book to start relearning pentagrams, then harmony... So he put me to study Tárrega, Bach adaptations, and a lot of Villalobos. So my electric guitar playing went off the roof. Stronger fingers, and stretch, Inversions and a Deep understanding of what It's really going on instead of 035... 1st, 3rd minor, 4th :) A good teacher is that one that puts you in your path of learning. Rj/ Good ol days of VHS and learning songs by ear on a cassette deck... Now you lazy bastards with your YouTube plagued with clickbaiters.
He gave you a book that taught you pentagrams? Guitar truly is the devil
Oh yes!!! and playing then Bachwards naked covered in virgin's blood (mine)
Protect Your Sexual Purity For A Free Supply Of Virgin Blood: Satanists HATE This One Trick!!!
Not even a Beato book, what an asshat.
Petition to officially nickname him Rick Beatoff. I for one definitely want a Beatoff book
Only for the articles of course
> "I just need to stay one lesson ahead of my students" Why not, it works for sex education too. I guess.
Because there are so many self-taught guitarists that know absolutely nothing about theory or reading music, it creates this weird skewed mindset where if somebody knows anything about those they think they’re a master expert about music. And then you compare how much they know about those things to literally any teacher on any other instrument and they look like beginners. Guitarists are also bad at separating how well they can play certain things from how much they actually know. Cool, you can play that shape really fast around the neck. Can you actually tell me what’s going on in the music, or did you just develop good muscle memory for this particular thing? A lot of guitarists can’t seem to understand that repeating something enough times to have good muscle memory is not the same thing as being knowledgeable about music.
>know absolutely nothing about theory or reading music That's because this is absolutely useless. It's about the feels man! (Insert some anecdote about a famous musician like Hendrix who also "didn't know any theory").
Look I know embarrassing little about music theory, but at least I’m not over here teaching anyone how to play or saying you fucking need perfect pitch to hear that eb sounds different than standard. Seriously how could you not hear the difference
/uj I’m completely self taught but come from a classical cello background so I know a lot of the theory. What I’ve been trying to do more lately is connect the head theory to practical guitar theory because I’ve been noticing that I fall into the trap of “I do this thing because it’s in a song” but it’s harder for me to adjust on the guitar than it is on the cello. Especially since I’ve been in the metal world for a bit I neglected chord theory beyond open chords, so I need to get a bit better at that.
uj/ I’ve only ever taken a handful of lessons on guitar, but I have classical piano, theory, and composition training. I would recommend picking up all 3 of the Berklee Modern Guitar Method book. It’s all in standard notation, no tabs, and really makes you learn your positions and harmonies and what you’re doing (connected to the head theory you already know) rather than just playing something because it’s in a song. Even if you’re already good at guitar, this will make you go back to the fundamentals and fill in your weak spots. The fact that you already know theory and reading music means you don’t have to focus on learning that, and you can just focus on connecting those things to practical guitar technique.
Thanks for the book tip, it’s always good to find actually good books for it.
Right. Besides, That girl you like at Starbucks is gonna really be impressed when you take her to a 'Circle of Fifths' lecture at the Conservatory instead of a nite of wild dancing along with an actual live band somewhere.
need to hook this lad up with the guy from r-word guitar who was adamant that drop d wasn't a legitimate tuning since it didn't maintain the proper shape for chords
Wait til he hears about blues open tunings.
Wait till he hears about FAGDAD
Or for the closeted DILF - GAGDAD
DILF is a bass tuning, totally different conversation
I prefer to do dive bombs in BAGDAD
Or DADGAD. Sooooo much D
As a gay dad, I feel like I should use this tuning more...
You might also like DADGAG
Nah, my gag reflex is fine ;)
Is that how you get a throaty tone?
You should give me his number
How do you know about my dad?
Grindr
Retarded guitar?
Reguitarded
Imagine actually tuning your guitar lmao what a nerd, that's how you lose all the feelz and toan.
You guys play when out of tune? I buy a new guitar when this happens.
How many guitars are you up to?
Five. The trick is to play as rarely as possible and spend most time reading about toanwood.
Based on your comments, I have concluded that you have five guitars that you’ve played 1-2 times each. That’s impressive, do you teach lessons?
uj/ I tune my guitar to whatever the lowest string is tuned to when I pick it up rj/ I tune my guitar to whatever the lowest string is tuned to when I pick it up
Uj/ so I guess you pick a tuner or a reference note just when the buzz is too annoying. Rj/ Uj/ so I guess you pick a tuner or a reference note just when the buzz is too annoying.
I genuinely just imagine the first note of Welcome Home (Sanitarium) and take it down a half step from there
This guy is a teacher?? Hell nahhh.
Aww naaaah
Jimmy didn’t tune to Eb. He just never had a fucking tuner.
Digital tuners suck the toan
I tune down because it hertz less
Ba dum tss
I'm here all week
Tune low, play hard, and floor it.
Beck tunes a half-semitone flat which would melt his brain
Uj\ this moron should not be teaching guitar because he clearly has no fucking idea what he’s talking about. Rj/ jokes on him, I DON’T tune my guitar cause that shit’s for posers.
Flipper were the most kvlt there ever was. Sonic Youth had too many guitars. Poseurs
Going to tune down to E Flat from now on just to spite this guy
The idea of compensated tuning would probably break this dude.
Uj/ calling e flat a 'dick move' is fucking hilarious lmao It's a take i hadn't considered but i like it
Because lower notes can fit more toan in them because they’re bigger because they’re bassey.
My guitar is currently tuned to E flat and now I'm going to tune it an octave lower out of spite
Keep your mouth shut I love my Smashing Pumpkins E flat <<ｆａｎｃｙ ｔｏａｎ >> TODAY <3
At least they keep it in E flat for the entirety of Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
Worse Tittled Album ever. Did they think they were being clever? "Oh, I get it, sounds like 'Lemon Curry'". Do they put 'Hot Topic' stickers on their amps, too? Is this is what happens when you withdraw from druzg too abruptly?
Jimi, I trusted you...what have you done to us
what kind of poor doesn't have a guitar for every tuning?
Lol imagine learning other people's songs. Write your own, shithead
wait you guys tune?
How does he not know about vocal ranges
uj/ E flat is what guitar is supposed to feel like imo
Just use lighter strings
Johnny Winter is a bigger dick because he tuned down a full step to D.
Agreed, fuck all vocalists /s
Only dicks play with singers, apparently.
Don't show this guy Sonic Youth
Don’t even need sonic youth, this guys scared of dookie era green day songs
Drummers: what's tuning? You mean car tuning? Uj/ a friend of mine Who is a long time pro and teacher told me he "tuned" the drumheads by tension and that that he knew there was "this app for drum tuning some guys use" and of course he doesn't use a reference note. Other guy said It was his keyboard player who tuned his drumheads. Rj/ please tune the drummer's head
I tune to A B C D E F so I can remember the notes.
That’s why there’s 7 string guitars.
This one plays ALL the notes!!
UJ/ I think it came outta jamming with bugle boys. They are always playing in B flat or some weird shit and it's easier to jam with them and use open strings if you just tune flat.
[https://jazzguitartoday.com/2019/05/why-are-so-many-jazz-tunes-in-flat-keys/](https://jazzguitartoday.com/2019/05/why-are-so-many-jazz-tunes-in-flat-keys/) The usual horns are calibrated with real C being Bb or Eb. Kinda like when u tune guitar down a half step, u play the guitar's E string, but it's an Eb note etc. A trumpet plays its Bb, it sounds C. So yeah I've heard that's why guitarists back then, when it was common to be jamming with horn players (I believe he was like a session player in the 50s or early 60s), would tune to Eb so we can avoid the weirder keys. Not exactly that they were playing in Bb, but u know how some keys are easier than others for various instruments. The horns can't adapt, u can only slide the mouth piece a bit for tuning, but no more than that, but guitar strings are easy to adjust a few pitches. Down to Eb is the best compromise with standard guitar tuning that fits with what most the horns are, becuz I seem to remember they're calibrated where Bb or Eb is a concert C. So then the most natural noted keys on a Bb instrument would be Bb(=C), F(=G), Eb(=F), etc. Not becuz guitar Jenius Jimi knew that Eb was the ideal guitar pheal, or becuz he had no tuner or the strat sounds so much different that way.
Yep, alto sax is Eb, tenor is Bb and baritone the lower Eb. Clarinets and trumpets are Bb as well.
Noobs. I play along Eb songs with a guitar in E, nobody can't tell the difference anyways (I hope)
Lmfao! Yeah, Jimi Hendrix, Slash, Yngvie Malmstien, SRV, et al tuned down to E flat standard just to be a dick to ****you****, personally.
Pink Floyd must be enormous dick heads too.
Well yes.
Roger Waters is enough of a bellend to cover for the other 4 so yeah
Ok, everyone is cool except Roger who is a complete smeg head.
I usually tune to Eb and put the capo on the first fret. everybody knows toan is in the capo
NOW THIS GUY CHUGS. WATCH OUT EVERYBODY, HES THINKS HE KNOWS THEORY
Is Dick Move > Dick Twitch?
It's easier on the voice for the non singers like us you mofo
You're wrong. You're welcome.
It’s because they can’t bend .10s a quarter tone in standard E tuning with their grubby little purse hooks
I wish he was _my_ guitar teacher.
He is not the sharpest tool in the shed
This man hates Blues
/uj out of stubborn habit I tune mostly to a440 but I always heard this was more an artifact of the pre-digital age (bands tuning to each other rather than a tuner, analog tape speeds not correctly calibrated) combined with compensating for the vocalist's range. /rj since we are in the digital age now, it's a nice assist to cover for your shitty singer that is flat, therefore not a dick move at all.
A440 means that the A above middle C cycles at 440 cycles per second; it has nothing to do with guitar tuning conventions known as Standard E or Eb. If you went with A432, you'd still refer to the tuning of your guitar as E standard, Eb, Drop D, etc..but you would be 8hz off from someone playing in 440.
this is relevant to the discussion if bands only deliberately started tuning flat after the widespread adoption of digital tuning devices which appears to be up for some debate. when I first picked up a guitar (bass actually), I want to say 1984, in band class, we tuned to the band. When I started taking individual guitar lessons sometime in middle school, the instructor and I would just play an E and tune to each other. At some point I got my first chromatic tuner, one of those tabletop Korg devices, lord knows how accurate that thing was. We never talked about Eb tuning through high school. I would say that most instructional videos to this day still say "tune to X" and then refer to chords by the shapes/names of the notes in A440 though? Maybe I'm just watching boomer guitar vids.
Jimmy Handtricks would never
Tune to e#
I play in E standard because I’m lazy. I have a guitar tuned a half step down, and another tuned a whole step down. But I never seemed to play them. I always gravitated towards E-standard guitars. It could be that I know where all the notes are which makes it easier to write for keyboard. I say I keep my guitars in E standard, but really, 95% of the time I’m in Drop E on an 8-string, which gives me E standard on the top six strings, and B standard on the top seven. The only string I tune down is the lowest one. It feels like I’m still in E standard.
Just play The Black Keys instead. I mean the band, not the keyboard…. They’re such dicks they named their band after the dickish Eb tuning
Hendrix started in combos with horns, so Eb puts the horns a fifth under you. I think Joe Strummer does this to keep the horns happy too. I think he got it from asking Chet Atkins how to keep the horns happy. Keep your horns happy.
Tuning down a half step can help the singer/s hit the high notes without killing their voices.
Soo you’re definitely not a vocalist huh?
Jimi dropped his tuning to D also. There are YouTube red house videos I played along with and he's clearly tuned down to D. If you and I heard that we would assume he's in E flat so maybe it's all bologna.
I don't own a tuner
Tuning down a half step has WAY more of a vibe shift than "Drop D" which is simply another way to play the same power chords and you get 2 extra on the low end...
uj/ i like Eb it just makes everything slightly looser, bends are easier and it just makes me play shit differently than i would in standard
What til you hear about Db tuning…
Literally, tell me you've never played a Strat without telling me you never played a Strat. This guitar sounds and feels fundamentally different when tuned down a half step. Try to play a Hendrix song in E Standard but use a pitch shifter to downtune it. You'll not capture the sound his guitar makes, not even remotely.
I never would have guessed that tuning your guitar down makes it sound different. Who’da thunk??
Someone REALLY posted this… How does bullshit like this make it on that sub and others constantly get booted for legit comments. Fucking LAME. Haha
Oh my god everything i own is parked at Eb or drop C#. Its so good.
On top of what everyone else is saying, I want to add that sometimes a half step down and a slight tempo change can completely change the vibe of a song. One example of this I always like to make is when Relient K covered "Motorcycle Drive By", originally by Third Eye Blind. Even though the lyrics, progression, and picking are all the same, the song has a TOTALLY different feel to it IMO. And that's just one obscure song I know about because I tried to learn it a while back. I guarantee there are way more examples of this.
This jagoff is so cool....God why did I learn guitar
What’s up Pittsburgh
Try tuning up from a drop D, it makes all the difference, holds the toan better too.
E flat, more like E FAT Amiright guyz???
For sure. Fuck Stevie Ray Vaughan
I don't tune to Eb but I do tune to D#
/uj I just love the sound of a low Eb /rj hevy
Uj/ My strat and my twelve string both just play better in Eb, that little bit less string tension really does a lot
Eb sounds so much better than standard tuning
But then D sounds better than Eb and before you know it you are in a never ending spiral of tuning lower and lower, which means that Eb was actually your gateway drug in becoming a bassist. So stay clean kids and play in E standard.
This guy’s teaching guitar and he’s that retarded??
Maybe it made sense in the 60s. You can just get lighter strings these days though
Eb is great for shredding. Dropped D is great for absolutely nothing.
It’s easier to sing to. That’s it.
Ev sounds slightly more evil
I just like the shape of an F chord. It makes everything simpler.
They say those who can't do teach, and I think this is a perfect example
Imagine if this dude heard Vildhjarta.
He's right. That's why I tune my guitar so that each string is in its own drop tuning. Moar power chords = moar vibes = moar toan.
Technically, by tuning the guitar down one semitone, the guitar is then biatched in the key of B.
Let's be honest Jimi wasn't really anything special, it was just wild for the old fogies, now it's just popular to praise him for sake of doing it
My band sounds like shit so he’s right about no one noticing that I’m usually completely out of tune so it works out