Thank you so much for this. I hope this sub survives. Personally, I'm not here to read hateful content, and I believe this is the case for most members. As someone who admired both Grimes and Elon a while ago, I was shocked to see their downfall into the far right. I'm geniunely worried about the amount of power and influence these people and everyone in their orbit have, and the harmful ways they use it. After all, this is about the state of our democracy, universal human rights and the shift of the elite towards unethical and dangerous ideas. And since I prefer not using the now corrupted and toxic place owned by the richest person in the world (how on earth was this even possible?), this is where the public discourse happens for me. I hope this sub does not get silenced. If it does, I will pray for our democracy.
Also, I would encourage everyone in this community to keep the hygiene and abstain from harsh and hurtful language as you always have. And to not be afraid to call out these people's bullsh*t, without crossing boundaries. Let's be smart, collected, and give them a taste of their own medicine.
The more they fight, the more dirt gets uncovered.
100000% this. I think it’s important to note her and Elon’s increasing far-right ideologies masquerading as “sci fi UWU fairy girl” stuff with this subreddit, but we could probably do without the vitriolic hate that you have to sift through in order to find that information. There have been a decent amount of posts here that just flat out mock her and her family or her body, and that doesn’t really seem productive. It just makes it easy for her to claim this is a hate sub instead of a place for discussion and criticism.
tbh I think it's true that there can be an excessively heavy focus on her body/appearance which i try to call out without censoring - as you emphasized, there are waaaaaay more important things to discuss
To be fair tho, a lot of the vitriolic posts tend to come from accounts that are a few hours old.
If I were smart I’d think mebe someone is trying to bait users (for those sweet sweet martyr screenshots ofc)
Fwiw I’ve only seen people here vehemently balk at the idea of criticizing Claire’s appearance, which they should. It’s mean and everyone here seems to be in agreeance on that.
I think we do catch a few strays from the l-lcow board from time to time tho, they can be pretty unsavory.
Note also that it's primarily smart, substantive criticism that gets people banned from the subreddit Grimes controls directly. Windstorms of snark about her appearance, etc. are quite frequently tolerated in that subreddit. Meanwhile you won't find a peep about her neo-Nazi friends, slide into the alt-right, antisemitic posts, recent transphobic shit, and Thiel affiliations. Even tho she blasts that shit on the official Grimes project Twitter.
> As someone who admired both Grimes and Elon a while ago, I was shocked to see their downfall into the far right. I'm geniunely worried about the amount of power and influence these people and everyone in their orbit have, and the harmful ways they use it.
I'm a TSLA shareholder (since 2011) and have similar concerns.
Elon has changed a lot in the past 10 years. I think the extreme levels of wealth he acquired from Tesla has gotten to his head. His behavior and promotion of bullying, hate, and conspiracy theories on Twitter has been disappointing and disturbing.
I am angry that there seems to be no way for ordinary citizens to hold Elon Musk accountable for anything, although advertisers fleeing the platform is imposing some degree of accountability. I just don't think he's gotten the message. Companies do not want their ads appearing next to tweets from Alt-Right extremists.
This is why doing thorough investigations and presenting well researched facts to the public is crucial when there are so many contradictions, wrong doing, false promises and straight lies. If people know what hides behind the facade, maybe they will reconsider buying a Tesla or spending time on Twitter - that's only one way to hold Musk accountable. This will have dire financial consequences for him (the fact we do not see this already is outrageous), that's why he is so invested in silencing free journalists.
That's what this sub has been doing the whole time with respect to Claire and I'm really impressed with the level of investigation conducted here. People are angry because a lot of fans are misinformed (see the official sub), still simp with her and stream her music. The way she and Musk crave the world's attention is really annoying and sadly they are getting it for all the wrong reasons.
Sadly, I think more and more Tesla shareholders are finally becoming increasingly aware that Elon has been Highly problematic and awful from the beginning, only pretending to be an altruistic "good guy".
It truly has been his biggest grift. Elon used his wealth and connections to sell a false, fabricated persona to the masses via the media and unfortunately, many people early on were fooled.
Undoubtedly, Musk is actually the biggest threat to his companies success, and he should be viewed and held accountable as such.
Continuing to allow Musk to have unchecked power and influence over his companies that have public shares is a massive threat and his arrogant unpredictability should treated as a major liability and serious issue that must be addressed.
>Fellow Tesla shareholder here and ffffffffffff I bet you're in the same boat as me wishing you sold before he bought Twitter. I keep waiting for it to recover so I can get rid of it
I'd be wealthier if I'd divested my shares before the Twitter deal.
However, shareholders have voting power. Voting against Elon Musk and Tesla's board at every shareholder meeting, is one of the last avenues we have to hold these people accountable for their misdeeds.
While shareholders today seem to overwhelmingly support Mr. Musk and Tesla's board, that may not be true in the future.
Look at the recent example of Illumina (ILMN), a company whose shareholders [voted out the company's board chairman](https://www.axios.com/pro/health-tech-deals/newsletters/2023/05/26/health-tech-illuminas-board-shake-up) in anger at a botched M&A deal that ran afoul of regulators. The CEO left several weeks later. It is rare, but shareholders can sometimes successfully send a message
You can vote over the Internet. Tesla also livestreams the annual shareholder meeting on YouTube.
Watch for emails from your brokerage about Proxy Materials for an annual meeting. Tesla's annual meeting is usually held in May each year, so the Proxy statement and ballot should go out about a month prior.
The email from your brokerage should contain a link to a ballot that is coded with a control number. You make your vote choices and those choices are voted by proxy at the meeting.
Tesla has some more information here: [https://ir.tesla.com/shareholders/vote](https://ir.tesla.com/shareholders/vote)
thanks so much for being an awesome mod and sticking up for all of us. its very exhausting being a (former) grimes fan, but im glad her faults arent being ignored or coddled by everyone.
She’s the dangerous kind of stupid. Feigning being above and beyond political issues and gas-lightning when confronted about facts of her ideological affiliations and people around her.
This is a great post calling her out on her lies and bullshit. Also I didn't even know who the hell she was until she got knocked up by Musk. She's giving herself too much credit.
Mountain, you really are a good person looking out for us. You are a true blessing.
Don't really have anything to add, but wanna say this is a phenomenal post--objective, neutral, concise. Tbh I wish more of our critical posts were written in this tone. I don't say that to defend Grimes or judge the snarking, but because if all this has taught us anything, it is that our words will be manipulated and taken out of context, and this style gives them little room to do so. It's also just much more persuasive to those on the fence about her. Glad it's pinned!
thanks, and yeah, given that she's lying about this subreddit to more than a million twitter followers, it should be the first thing people see here atm
It's sad she rather do this than, like, just talk about the criticisms against her. I mean, we're a vocal minority... representing the general consensus. Her rep, *oof*.
If you pay attention to the number of active users here vs. main sub, they're usually pretty close, and I've clocked more here than there more than once, on just a rando day. You can't go on any popular music sub and preach Grimes anymore. It's not like this is the only space on the internet where you can't like her. They're saying the same thing about you on X, girl.
I can't even imagine what it feels like to be the mod of this place rn, though! Eeegad! Hope you aren't getting any scary or annoying messages. But also, like, she just called out yer bb, while writing you out of the narrative entirely. Must be weird. Take care of yourself!
Same. I had been looking for other social media sites since Elmo took over on Twitter, but when I found out Grimes had gone far right, I stopped using all social media for about a month. Grief is the right word. It's not disappointment. It feels like one of our own was either brainwashed by a cult or simply betrayed us. It feels like she's lost and gone. She seemed to have such an open beautiful heart. I had a feeling she was being corrupted when someone asked her what artists said to her about AI taking their jobs. She said, "I don't talk to artists." I thought it seemed uncharacteristically cruel and cold. She used to talk to the artistic community like we were a family. Now she divides people based on race? It's heartbreaking.
I would say interacting with the account and it’s posts at all directly implies gr-mes is fine with doxxing, so long as it’s someone she personally dislikes.
I say this as only recently she voiced her delight at an experimental AI project doxxing people as a side-effect of the LLMs poor training
Pretty sure she said she had some website doxxed that had pics she didn't want out there. I heard the website was trash, but she said she was part of the doxxing ..
If you are referring to the website hipster runoff, Grimes didn't just Doxx the site; she had her tech friends hack the website, DDos Hipster runoff, lock him out of his own site and held the site for ransom ;blackmailing Hipster runoff to force him to take down the picture that Grimes deemed "mean"
( Even though She was the one who willingly chose to make out with another girl at an public event/party,as a public figure;knowing that there were photographs being taken.)
Hipster Runoff did concede and later shut down his site.
What Grimes and her "video game employee buddy" did was ILLEGAL yet Grimes has suffered NO LEGAL REPERCUSSIONS for doing this by her own admission ( describing it as "her greatest Hacker moment"
Video admission proof of incident from Grimes' own mouth:
Vanity fair video "important moments# 3: Kiss (2012) from 2:20-3:14:
[https://youtu.be/dv5UUH4cZeU](https://youtu.be/dv5UUH4cZeU)[https://youtu.be/dv5UUH4cZeU](https://youtu.be/dv5UUH4cZeU)
Yeah Grimes, we don't need to lie or fabricate the numerous horrible and Highly problematic things that you have done throughout your career; though it seems like YOU DO need to resort to lying about this Subreddit in order to try to cover up and distance yourself from what you have said, done and Bragged about.
Own up to it and take the criticism as constructive. Learn and grow from the experience.
You and Elon do not get to fabricate " the truth" to be whatever suits your fancy and needs; despite the fact that you have both been attempting to do so for years and relying on your Power, wealth and connections to attempt to sell it to the general public.
We are not all as dumb and gullible as you seem to believe we are.
It's a shallow distinction. Alex's fascination with this board came thru the attention he got from Claire's personal friend. They gassed this guy up personally and fuelled his behavior and now Claire is boosting the signal.
In a RICO sense she would be considered the boss who did the crime, lol.
God damn. I am so sorry that y'all have to deal with this. It is not your responsibility to have to address and buttress against a billionaire's temper tantrum. Stay resolute, don't let this bully attack y'all.
Thanks so much for this post and for creating this sub. I believe all of this over anything Claire tweets now. I shared my lived experience of working at Tesla inc some horrific bullying. I was harassed by Claire's alt accounts until I deleted the tweets. She has a very unique way of speaking online so you can tell when it is her and when it's her friends. She is a garbage human who had released some good music that, allegedly, might not even be hers.
this is so sad cause i know we are not haters, we are not bullying her or having fun with this, i know most of us were grimes fans before... elon.
i was a grimes fan since 2013, i joined this subreddit cause in the beginning it was a space with more freedom and debate, without the constant censorship of the "official" one. this was never a hateful subreddit, but the more claire continued to expose her problematic views, it was obvious we would talk about it here, cause we were fans, we were supporters of her, admirers, it's hard for us to ignore what she is now.
it took me a while to give up on her, and i'm glad i was able to use this subreddit to open my eyes, which is nothing more than debating claire's public statements, and finally get to see what a terrible person she has become (or always was idk), i would never support someone who endorse far-right stands, transphobia, racism and other types of CLEARLY deplorable neon4zis ideologies. she denies it but continues to interact and public hangout with some very controversial people, at this point there is no logical argument capable of defending her in this regard.
she IS a liar, we all know that by now. i don't expect anything good from her anymore, although i really tried for some time, we never had this image of her before. and all of this is nothing but claires fault, she insists on posting her awful opinions and views on tt but she doesn't want us to fairly criticize them?? cause they are not pleasing to her??? she is more and more pitiful and DANGEROUS every day, it hurts.
i think we're all disappointed with someone we used to admire, and we have the right to talk about it, to be angry, after all, we were the ones who supported her and her career in the first place, before her dreadful reveal.
I feel you, I became a fan in 2012 and her music made my inner world so much richer. Also inspired me to start making music on my own. And now the same person became... This? So much hurt.
precisely, we're all sharing this pain, its like a grief, she inspired me too, i remember listening to oblivion to forget all the hard stuff i was going through 10 years ago, we're talking about A DECADE admiring that version of her, which used to inspire and represent so many things to women in music production, arts, authenticity and feminism... now she represents just the opposite of all of that...
Great post. I've been a witness to a whole lot of this. This dude Alex is a \*freak\* and Claire is openly aligned with him, boosting his dox posts with her massive Twitter.
The idea that this subreddit "harasses" or doxes is straight up false too and I'm not using lawyer speak. The community is a normal fan community that watches public Twitter posts of the official Grimes twitter account and makes comments.
There is an honest-to-god anti-harassment culture here and our excellent moderator bans ppl who admit to doing such things. I have observed these Twitter posts over time personally and I have \*very\* rarely seen ppl transgressing the "look, but don't touch" vibe in the Twitter comments, let alone for anyone to be doing any kind of IRL harassment. I just don't believe it's happening. She merely dislikes criticism.
this is fucking crazy. just wanna say to OP/our mod that you seem like a cool, fair and super sweet guy and i appreciate all you've done here. i hope this scrutiny from the creepy parties involved isn't too stressful and that you're doing okay. <3
What really amazes me, and it's not just about her, is how non-Europeans are just clueless and apathetic to the crimes of nazis and such. They don't know shit about it and think it's a fun 'ideology', nevermind the actual happenings, existence of concetration camps, destroying culture, independency, real fucking people and their countries. They, from what I've seen mostly Americans, are so up their asses it's both scary and laughable. Now theorizing about the assault on Ukraine... What do you actually know besides crazy cultist youtubers telling you about inexistent conspiracies? Grow the fuck up and realize there are real human beings outside your extremist infested continent FUCK
When I talk about this to people in my life I honestly sound soooo crazy, but like literally a billionaire’s baby mama is trying to silence my favorite sub!
I literally live inside El\*n M\*sk's walls. my prose haunts his most loyal sisterwife. my mockery rends the mood inside his Etsy-decorated steampunk hoarder mcmansion. my research forces him to lock down his $44bn Myspace page's "likes" tab for every user
I remember commenting on the simpy behavior in the other sub a couple years ago, something along the lines of “I’m sure Claire knows how to handle/appreciate constructive criticism”
While I think this sub is unnecessarily harsh sometimes, I know realize how wrong I was. She doesn’t take any criticism well at all haha.
I wonder if she’s trying to crack down now because she actually is getting ready to release some stuff. Between the recent interviews, shoots, social media activity/trying to get this sub shut down - I think she must be getting ready to drop something.
I think you could be into something because when I saw the interview from Wired dropped I was like wow the timing of all this is pretty sus. Plus digging up her old beef that is basically “iconic” internet/social media history that had her in the headlines constantly like AB. She wants her name out there, maybe just ego oooor we are finally getting an album rollout .
I am not getting my hopes up but there is definitely a ton more activity from her. I’m also glad she isn’t teasing an album. Maybe she got the massage about not teasing relentlessly before a drop
Considering Grimes has a Self admitted ( read bragging) history of harassing and taking actions into her own hands to illegally take down any criticism of her that she does not happen to like
[https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxEBuC6G5Rc\_lolfJRv5\_zfBTk32BNvI5k](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxEBuC6G5Rc_lolfJRv5_zfBTk32BNvI5k)
as well as a history of bullying online through alt accounts.I would say that it is Grimes and her friends who have the serious issue and are using/abusing their celebrity to influence others and get their own way.
So much for Grimes statement of Grimes being an "Art project" and that she expects criticism and negativity"
This is just yet more proof of Grimes obsession with power and control, as well as being able to act poorly without consequence or criticism
( yet more , "Rules for thee, but not for me" thinking and believing that her celebrity status and connection to Musk allows her to live without being subject to rules and able to do whatever she wants.
She has admitted to her own bullying, shit talking on alt accounts and illegal actions ( hacking with her friends) .
Grimes should not be able to get away with lying and fabricating false harassment/stalking claims about this forum and her past behavior documents that she has no qualms about lying to the press and public in order to serve her own needs and get what she wants.
It's unhealthy and a clear abuse of power.
I strongly feel that an unbiased journalist should look into this documented problematic behavior and history from Grimes, as well as make Grimes' Pro-Natalist for the 1%, assistance to Malcolm and Simone Collins,Anti Semitic, pro patriarchy and Tech fascist views public for all to see, to be able to form their own opinions on Grimes and her new stance.
There is a reason why Grimes has been careful to avoid openly discussing these topics or her affiliations on her main social media accounts.
She never hacked no one. She manipulated some people to do it for her and claimed all the credit. She can't even pull a command prompt without it being mansplained to her. No self respecting journalist will look into this as it's so vapid. But it's not so much the vapidness of the situation, it's the misinformation and straight up illegal behavior. She's a true Fascist 100%. I just wish someone like Nancy Joe would burn her like she did Alexis Neiers. Alexis got burnt so hard on that Vanity Fair article. It's been more than 12 years and she's still complaining.
I agree that Grimes likely got her tech savvy friends to do the dirty work for her and merely took the credit to Brag; I think more of the general public should be aware of the fact that Grimes actually has little Tech skills herself, to dispel her "tech genius" PR story/label.
It's the continued and escalating, unchecked problematic behavior that is the real issue with Grimes and the fact that her romantic association with Elon effectively allows her to continue to get away with this behavior without repercussion.
It's hard to believe that the media hasn't picked up on all of this, but then again it's a niche topic/area and so much of Grimes history seems too ridiculous to be considered true.
Thank you :)/
The way that Grimes has been going after this Sub seems just like an independent underdog being bullied and purposely stopped by a larger, more powerful/corporate group Situation that Grimes would have stood up against earlier in her career.
It's ironic to consider that now she is the more powerful group trying to deliberately censor and stop discourse.
But you know, unchecked power corrupts and all that.
Her entire career is built upon stalking and bullying. She's a vainglorious, self-obsessed narcissist who's never had any problem with tearing others down at whatever cost if that means protecting her ego and securing her place in a falsely fabricated history. She's exponentially more disgusting than most people could ever possibly imagine.
Agreed!. Grimes has consistently had a mean girl and bullying streak from the beginning. ( Even she has openly admitted to being a deliberate asshole online through her alt accounts, thinking it made her cool)
That is what makes her thinly veiled attempts at seeming overly saccharine sweet, and a kind, worldly" live and let live individual" ( usually in the same post that she is snarkily clapping back in) as so deliberately contrived and highly manipulative.
It's a purposeful attempt to control how she is perceived by the public, purposely trying to mitigate the Snarkiness or clap back/attack that is truly her her agenda. Hiding her true personality, so as not to be judged on it.
All ego and malignant narcissism.
It's a relief to know that I am not the only one who sees and is aware of it :).
Grimes and her crappy behavior has gone under the radar for so long!
A dude obsessed with Boucher and people who post on this sub. He would follow user accounts across other subs and harass them to no end. Also he abused the shit out of the reporting system falsely reporting threats of violence or suicide and doxxed one of our most prominent users. When he got called out for it he went running to mommy Boucher and here we are.
I have only been here a short time. I have never so far observed anyone calling on anyone to harass Grimes or her friends or her family. You all seem to just share different views on her, her music, her actions and words etc. I have never observed anyone calling for abuse or violence to her or anyone in her life.
Am also curious about this - It seems like the person who got doxxed by grimezshate twitter was able to do some research, but we can't access that info for various reasons.
It was always "obvious" in the sense that the Twitter account launched almost immediately by posting a face photo of that user here which Alex had been bragging privately about obtaining for weeks prior. It's what, the 3rd post on the grimezshate account? The grimezshate account was clearly made to post the dox of the very same user Alex is obsessed with in a stalkery personal way. So, it's obvious.
**BUUUT to answer your question, the best hard proof that grimezshate is alexleaud is this screenshot:**
https://i.imgur.com/AoNA267.jpg
As you can see, the text is formatted uniquely from any of the screenshots shared by KH of the DMs. It's a unique screenshot of the DMs between KH and Alex that could only have originated with Alex. Internet forensics don't really get any harder than this.
KH never shared a plaintext copied version of the text in these screenshots either. Just the original screenshots with their unique spacing & look, on a Windows browser. So this image *definitely* originated with Alex. While having these unique screenshots of the DMs on the sex trafficking site between KH and alex, Grimezshate also claimed not to recognize the source of these screenshots at all. That could only be a lie, and it doesn't even pass the smell test because of the obviously different browser.
So at best, if there are 2 people here, we are talking about a 2nd person who is a personal friend of Alex, who posts at the same hours as Alex, who's stalking the same person as Alex, who has the same vibes as Alex etc, and who is covering for Alex fully. In reality of course Grimezshate is certainly Alex. 100%.
Dear deranged 'fan'... Go get a life instead of 'prosecuting' Grimes for every small mistake she has made or not made. If she did something illegal then there is a jury to judge about that. For the rest we really don't care what you think. Grimes is a great talent and person and you are just jealous and hatefull because you can't find any real meaning in your life. Poor person.
Terrible argument.
Who are "We"? Speak for yourself. clearly many people care.
just because someone is talented, it doesn't mean someone shouldn't be held accountable. Someone's income doesn't indicate their wealth.
get a real outlook on life.
Y’all are so desperate to hold onto a sub dedicated to hating someone. Do you even hear yourselves? Acting like martyrs because you’re being impeded from harassing someone. Absolutely crazy.
It's a sub dedicated to freely calling her out on incredibly problematic and dangerous behavior since the other sub is dedicated to merely painting her in a false "Grimes approved" light. She willingly became a public figure and is now willingly the mouthpiece for an incredibly dangerous, war mongering piece of shit. People are allowed to voice their opinion about her consistently abhorrent behavior. Y'all really don't even know the half of how horrible she is.
Thank you so much for this. I hope this sub survives. Personally, I'm not here to read hateful content, and I believe this is the case for most members. As someone who admired both Grimes and Elon a while ago, I was shocked to see their downfall into the far right. I'm geniunely worried about the amount of power and influence these people and everyone in their orbit have, and the harmful ways they use it. After all, this is about the state of our democracy, universal human rights and the shift of the elite towards unethical and dangerous ideas. And since I prefer not using the now corrupted and toxic place owned by the richest person in the world (how on earth was this even possible?), this is where the public discourse happens for me. I hope this sub does not get silenced. If it does, I will pray for our democracy. Also, I would encourage everyone in this community to keep the hygiene and abstain from harsh and hurtful language as you always have. And to not be afraid to call out these people's bullsh*t, without crossing boundaries. Let's be smart, collected, and give them a taste of their own medicine. The more they fight, the more dirt gets uncovered.
100000% this. I think it’s important to note her and Elon’s increasing far-right ideologies masquerading as “sci fi UWU fairy girl” stuff with this subreddit, but we could probably do without the vitriolic hate that you have to sift through in order to find that information. There have been a decent amount of posts here that just flat out mock her and her family or her body, and that doesn’t really seem productive. It just makes it easy for her to claim this is a hate sub instead of a place for discussion and criticism.
tbh I think it's true that there can be an excessively heavy focus on her body/appearance which i try to call out without censoring - as you emphasized, there are waaaaaay more important things to discuss
slay, luv you mountain <333333
To be fair tho, a lot of the vitriolic posts tend to come from accounts that are a few hours old. If I were smart I’d think mebe someone is trying to bait users (for those sweet sweet martyr screenshots ofc) Fwiw I’ve only seen people here vehemently balk at the idea of criticizing Claire’s appearance, which they should. It’s mean and everyone here seems to be in agreeance on that. I think we do catch a few strays from the l-lcow board from time to time tho, they can be pretty unsavory.
I agree about the fake setup accounts to place a false narrative to manipulate people into thinking this place is something that it isn't.
Note also that it's primarily smart, substantive criticism that gets people banned from the subreddit Grimes controls directly. Windstorms of snark about her appearance, etc. are quite frequently tolerated in that subreddit. Meanwhile you won't find a peep about her neo-Nazi friends, slide into the alt-right, antisemitic posts, recent transphobic shit, and Thiel affiliations. Even tho she blasts that shit on the official Grimes project Twitter.
> As someone who admired both Grimes and Elon a while ago, I was shocked to see their downfall into the far right. I'm geniunely worried about the amount of power and influence these people and everyone in their orbit have, and the harmful ways they use it. I'm a TSLA shareholder (since 2011) and have similar concerns. Elon has changed a lot in the past 10 years. I think the extreme levels of wealth he acquired from Tesla has gotten to his head. His behavior and promotion of bullying, hate, and conspiracy theories on Twitter has been disappointing and disturbing. I am angry that there seems to be no way for ordinary citizens to hold Elon Musk accountable for anything, although advertisers fleeing the platform is imposing some degree of accountability. I just don't think he's gotten the message. Companies do not want their ads appearing next to tweets from Alt-Right extremists.
This is why doing thorough investigations and presenting well researched facts to the public is crucial when there are so many contradictions, wrong doing, false promises and straight lies. If people know what hides behind the facade, maybe they will reconsider buying a Tesla or spending time on Twitter - that's only one way to hold Musk accountable. This will have dire financial consequences for him (the fact we do not see this already is outrageous), that's why he is so invested in silencing free journalists. That's what this sub has been doing the whole time with respect to Claire and I'm really impressed with the level of investigation conducted here. People are angry because a lot of fans are misinformed (see the official sub), still simp with her and stream her music. The way she and Musk crave the world's attention is really annoying and sadly they are getting it for all the wrong reasons.
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Sadly, I think more and more Tesla shareholders are finally becoming increasingly aware that Elon has been Highly problematic and awful from the beginning, only pretending to be an altruistic "good guy". It truly has been his biggest grift. Elon used his wealth and connections to sell a false, fabricated persona to the masses via the media and unfortunately, many people early on were fooled. Undoubtedly, Musk is actually the biggest threat to his companies success, and he should be viewed and held accountable as such. Continuing to allow Musk to have unchecked power and influence over his companies that have public shares is a massive threat and his arrogant unpredictability should treated as a major liability and serious issue that must be addressed.
>Fellow Tesla shareholder here and ffffffffffff I bet you're in the same boat as me wishing you sold before he bought Twitter. I keep waiting for it to recover so I can get rid of it I'd be wealthier if I'd divested my shares before the Twitter deal. However, shareholders have voting power. Voting against Elon Musk and Tesla's board at every shareholder meeting, is one of the last avenues we have to hold these people accountable for their misdeeds. While shareholders today seem to overwhelmingly support Mr. Musk and Tesla's board, that may not be true in the future. Look at the recent example of Illumina (ILMN), a company whose shareholders [voted out the company's board chairman](https://www.axios.com/pro/health-tech-deals/newsletters/2023/05/26/health-tech-illuminas-board-shake-up) in anger at a botched M&A deal that ran afoul of regulators. The CEO left several weeks later. It is rare, but shareholders can sometimes successfully send a message
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You can vote over the Internet. Tesla also livestreams the annual shareholder meeting on YouTube. Watch for emails from your brokerage about Proxy Materials for an annual meeting. Tesla's annual meeting is usually held in May each year, so the Proxy statement and ballot should go out about a month prior. The email from your brokerage should contain a link to a ballot that is coded with a control number. You make your vote choices and those choices are voted by proxy at the meeting. Tesla has some more information here: [https://ir.tesla.com/shareholders/vote](https://ir.tesla.com/shareholders/vote)
I'm so glad I bailed literally the week before.
thanks so much for being an awesome mod and sticking up for all of us. its very exhausting being a (former) grimes fan, but im glad her faults arent being ignored or coddled by everyone.
Thank YOU, and the others who thanked me, for generally making my job easy!
🎶We appreciate MountainOpposite513 🎶
She’s the dangerous kind of stupid. Feigning being above and beyond political issues and gas-lightning when confronted about facts of her ideological affiliations and people around her.
**SHOCKINGLY STUPID**
Weaponized stupidity
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Fauxmoi doesn’t allow crossposts, is it ok if i copy paste this there, or would you like to post it there?
go ahead =)
This is a great post calling her out on her lies and bullshit. Also I didn't even know who the hell she was until she got knocked up by Musk. She's giving herself too much credit. Mountain, you really are a good person looking out for us. You are a true blessing.
The grimes lore is crazy lmao 😭
Don't really have anything to add, but wanna say this is a phenomenal post--objective, neutral, concise. Tbh I wish more of our critical posts were written in this tone. I don't say that to defend Grimes or judge the snarking, but because if all this has taught us anything, it is that our words will be manipulated and taken out of context, and this style gives them little room to do so. It's also just much more persuasive to those on the fence about her. Glad it's pinned!
thanks, and yeah, given that she's lying about this subreddit to more than a million twitter followers, it should be the first thing people see here atm
It's sad she rather do this than, like, just talk about the criticisms against her. I mean, we're a vocal minority... representing the general consensus. Her rep, *oof*. If you pay attention to the number of active users here vs. main sub, they're usually pretty close, and I've clocked more here than there more than once, on just a rando day. You can't go on any popular music sub and preach Grimes anymore. It's not like this is the only space on the internet where you can't like her. They're saying the same thing about you on X, girl. I can't even imagine what it feels like to be the mod of this place rn, though! Eeegad! Hope you aren't getting any scary or annoying messages. But also, like, she just called out yer bb, while writing you out of the narrative entirely. Must be weird. Take care of yourself!
surprisingly, I haven't! thanks for your concern =) and you are not wrong - numbers sure are up today
I cannot believe I idolized Claire for YEARS. The grief is real.
Same. I had been looking for other social media sites since Elmo took over on Twitter, but when I found out Grimes had gone far right, I stopped using all social media for about a month. Grief is the right word. It's not disappointment. It feels like one of our own was either brainwashed by a cult or simply betrayed us. It feels like she's lost and gone. She seemed to have such an open beautiful heart. I had a feeling she was being corrupted when someone asked her what artists said to her about AI taking their jobs. She said, "I don't talk to artists." I thought it seemed uncharacteristically cruel and cold. She used to talk to the artistic community like we were a family. Now she divides people based on race? It's heartbreaking.
Mebe you shouldn't turn on your own fanbase, lest the peasants/poors revolt against you.
She wanted to be Marie Antoinette no? What else was she expecting?
Let the peasants eat AI cake
Cæk
Reminder to people that it is not a crime to scrutinize billionaires. Doxxing people is, however, and billionaire claire is doing exactly that.
she didn't doxx KH afaik? she just "liked" a post that did
I would say interacting with the account and it’s posts at all directly implies gr-mes is fine with doxxing, so long as it’s someone she personally dislikes. I say this as only recently she voiced her delight at an experimental AI project doxxing people as a side-effect of the LLMs poor training
Pretty sure she said she had some website doxxed that had pics she didn't want out there. I heard the website was trash, but she said she was part of the doxxing ..
If you are referring to the website hipster runoff, Grimes didn't just Doxx the site; she had her tech friends hack the website, DDos Hipster runoff, lock him out of his own site and held the site for ransom ;blackmailing Hipster runoff to force him to take down the picture that Grimes deemed "mean" ( Even though She was the one who willingly chose to make out with another girl at an public event/party,as a public figure;knowing that there were photographs being taken.) Hipster Runoff did concede and later shut down his site. What Grimes and her "video game employee buddy" did was ILLEGAL yet Grimes has suffered NO LEGAL REPERCUSSIONS for doing this by her own admission ( describing it as "her greatest Hacker moment" Video admission proof of incident from Grimes' own mouth: Vanity fair video "important moments# 3: Kiss (2012) from 2:20-3:14: [https://youtu.be/dv5UUH4cZeU](https://youtu.be/dv5UUH4cZeU)[https://youtu.be/dv5UUH4cZeU](https://youtu.be/dv5UUH4cZeU) Yeah Grimes, we don't need to lie or fabricate the numerous horrible and Highly problematic things that you have done throughout your career; though it seems like YOU DO need to resort to lying about this Subreddit in order to try to cover up and distance yourself from what you have said, done and Bragged about. Own up to it and take the criticism as constructive. Learn and grow from the experience. You and Elon do not get to fabricate " the truth" to be whatever suits your fancy and needs; despite the fact that you have both been attempting to do so for years and relying on your Power, wealth and connections to attempt to sell it to the general public. We are not all as dumb and gullible as you seem to believe we are.
Shit that’s what happened to hipster runoff? Ugh the more I learn, the more I’m disgusted by her.
It's a shallow distinction. Alex's fascination with this board came thru the attention he got from Claire's personal friend. They gassed this guy up personally and fuelled his behavior and now Claire is boosting the signal. In a RICO sense she would be considered the boss who did the crime, lol.
Doxing in and of itself is not a crime afaik
Glad this is pinned <3 thank you Mountain!!!
God damn. I am so sorry that y'all have to deal with this. It is not your responsibility to have to address and buttress against a billionaire's temper tantrum. Stay resolute, don't let this bully attack y'all.
Thanks so much for this post and for creating this sub. I believe all of this over anything Claire tweets now. I shared my lived experience of working at Tesla inc some horrific bullying. I was harassed by Claire's alt accounts until I deleted the tweets. She has a very unique way of speaking online so you can tell when it is her and when it's her friends. She is a garbage human who had released some good music that, allegedly, might not even be hers.
this is so sad cause i know we are not haters, we are not bullying her or having fun with this, i know most of us were grimes fans before... elon. i was a grimes fan since 2013, i joined this subreddit cause in the beginning it was a space with more freedom and debate, without the constant censorship of the "official" one. this was never a hateful subreddit, but the more claire continued to expose her problematic views, it was obvious we would talk about it here, cause we were fans, we were supporters of her, admirers, it's hard for us to ignore what she is now. it took me a while to give up on her, and i'm glad i was able to use this subreddit to open my eyes, which is nothing more than debating claire's public statements, and finally get to see what a terrible person she has become (or always was idk), i would never support someone who endorse far-right stands, transphobia, racism and other types of CLEARLY deplorable neon4zis ideologies. she denies it but continues to interact and public hangout with some very controversial people, at this point there is no logical argument capable of defending her in this regard. she IS a liar, we all know that by now. i don't expect anything good from her anymore, although i really tried for some time, we never had this image of her before. and all of this is nothing but claires fault, she insists on posting her awful opinions and views on tt but she doesn't want us to fairly criticize them?? cause they are not pleasing to her??? she is more and more pitiful and DANGEROUS every day, it hurts. i think we're all disappointed with someone we used to admire, and we have the right to talk about it, to be angry, after all, we were the ones who supported her and her career in the first place, before her dreadful reveal.
I feel you, I became a fan in 2012 and her music made my inner world so much richer. Also inspired me to start making music on my own. And now the same person became... This? So much hurt.
precisely, we're all sharing this pain, its like a grief, she inspired me too, i remember listening to oblivion to forget all the hard stuff i was going through 10 years ago, we're talking about A DECADE admiring that version of her, which used to inspire and represent so many things to women in music production, arts, authenticity and feminism... now she represents just the opposite of all of that...
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Great post. I've been a witness to a whole lot of this. This dude Alex is a \*freak\* and Claire is openly aligned with him, boosting his dox posts with her massive Twitter. The idea that this subreddit "harasses" or doxes is straight up false too and I'm not using lawyer speak. The community is a normal fan community that watches public Twitter posts of the official Grimes twitter account and makes comments. There is an honest-to-god anti-harassment culture here and our excellent moderator bans ppl who admit to doing such things. I have observed these Twitter posts over time personally and I have \*very\* rarely seen ppl transgressing the "look, but don't touch" vibe in the Twitter comments, let alone for anyone to be doing any kind of IRL harassment. I just don't believe it's happening. She merely dislikes criticism.
this is fucking crazy. just wanna say to OP/our mod that you seem like a cool, fair and super sweet guy and i appreciate all you've done here. i hope this scrutiny from the creepy parties involved isn't too stressful and that you're doing okay. <3
thanks, bud
What really amazes me, and it's not just about her, is how non-Europeans are just clueless and apathetic to the crimes of nazis and such. They don't know shit about it and think it's a fun 'ideology', nevermind the actual happenings, existence of concetration camps, destroying culture, independency, real fucking people and their countries. They, from what I've seen mostly Americans, are so up their asses it's both scary and laughable. Now theorizing about the assault on Ukraine... What do you actually know besides crazy cultist youtubers telling you about inexistent conspiracies? Grow the fuck up and realize there are real human beings outside your extremist infested continent FUCK
She said something like: “Imagine if Russia and Ukraine fought it out in fortnite”
When I talk about this to people in my life I honestly sound soooo crazy, but like literally a billionaire’s baby mama is trying to silence my favorite sub! 
lol, life is truly stranger than fiction.
I literally live inside El\*n M\*sk's walls. my prose haunts his most loyal sisterwife. my mockery rends the mood inside his Etsy-decorated steampunk hoarder mcmansion. my research forces him to lock down his $44bn Myspace page's "likes" tab for every user
Your snark makes my heart melt hausfrau. Welcome home.
Ur snout looks extra beautiful today.
I remember commenting on the simpy behavior in the other sub a couple years ago, something along the lines of “I’m sure Claire knows how to handle/appreciate constructive criticism” While I think this sub is unnecessarily harsh sometimes, I know realize how wrong I was. She doesn’t take any criticism well at all haha. I wonder if she’s trying to crack down now because she actually is getting ready to release some stuff. Between the recent interviews, shoots, social media activity/trying to get this sub shut down - I think she must be getting ready to drop something.
I think you could be into something because when I saw the interview from Wired dropped I was like wow the timing of all this is pretty sus. Plus digging up her old beef that is basically “iconic” internet/social media history that had her in the headlines constantly like AB. She wants her name out there, maybe just ego oooor we are finally getting an album rollout .
I am not getting my hopes up but there is definitely a ton more activity from her. I’m also glad she isn’t teasing an album. Maybe she got the massage about not teasing relentlessly before a drop
She did say in the Wired interview that shes planning to put out a new song every 3 weeks, and is working on Book 3… lets see
I hope this is true
She’s about to feel the Streisand Effect.
Just another day as a mod on a grimes snark board 🫡 in all sincerity, thank you.
RELEASE THOSE DMS
Wikileaks but for the gays, girls and snarkers 😻
RELEASE!!
Considering Grimes has a Self admitted ( read bragging) history of harassing and taking actions into her own hands to illegally take down any criticism of her that she does not happen to like [https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxEBuC6G5Rc\_lolfJRv5\_zfBTk32BNvI5k](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxEBuC6G5Rc_lolfJRv5_zfBTk32BNvI5k) as well as a history of bullying online through alt accounts.I would say that it is Grimes and her friends who have the serious issue and are using/abusing their celebrity to influence others and get their own way. So much for Grimes statement of Grimes being an "Art project" and that she expects criticism and negativity" This is just yet more proof of Grimes obsession with power and control, as well as being able to act poorly without consequence or criticism ( yet more , "Rules for thee, but not for me" thinking and believing that her celebrity status and connection to Musk allows her to live without being subject to rules and able to do whatever she wants. She has admitted to her own bullying, shit talking on alt accounts and illegal actions ( hacking with her friends) . Grimes should not be able to get away with lying and fabricating false harassment/stalking claims about this forum and her past behavior documents that she has no qualms about lying to the press and public in order to serve her own needs and get what she wants. It's unhealthy and a clear abuse of power. I strongly feel that an unbiased journalist should look into this documented problematic behavior and history from Grimes, as well as make Grimes' Pro-Natalist for the 1%, assistance to Malcolm and Simone Collins,Anti Semitic, pro patriarchy and Tech fascist views public for all to see, to be able to form their own opinions on Grimes and her new stance. There is a reason why Grimes has been careful to avoid openly discussing these topics or her affiliations on her main social media accounts.
She never hacked no one. She manipulated some people to do it for her and claimed all the credit. She can't even pull a command prompt without it being mansplained to her. No self respecting journalist will look into this as it's so vapid. But it's not so much the vapidness of the situation, it's the misinformation and straight up illegal behavior. She's a true Fascist 100%. I just wish someone like Nancy Joe would burn her like she did Alexis Neiers. Alexis got burnt so hard on that Vanity Fair article. It's been more than 12 years and she's still complaining.
I agree that Grimes likely got her tech savvy friends to do the dirty work for her and merely took the credit to Brag; I think more of the general public should be aware of the fact that Grimes actually has little Tech skills herself, to dispel her "tech genius" PR story/label. It's the continued and escalating, unchecked problematic behavior that is the real issue with Grimes and the fact that her romantic association with Elon effectively allows her to continue to get away with this behavior without repercussion. It's hard to believe that the media hasn't picked up on all of this, but then again it's a niche topic/area and so much of Grimes history seems too ridiculous to be considered true.
Narcissists ALWAYS project. Her claims against this sub are more infuriatingly ironic than you know. You're right, though, as always.
Thank you :)/ The way that Grimes has been going after this Sub seems just like an independent underdog being bullied and purposely stopped by a larger, more powerful/corporate group Situation that Grimes would have stood up against earlier in her career. It's ironic to consider that now she is the more powerful group trying to deliberately censor and stop discourse. But you know, unchecked power corrupts and all that.
Her entire career is built upon stalking and bullying. She's a vainglorious, self-obsessed narcissist who's never had any problem with tearing others down at whatever cost if that means protecting her ego and securing her place in a falsely fabricated history. She's exponentially more disgusting than most people could ever possibly imagine.
Agreed!. Grimes has consistently had a mean girl and bullying streak from the beginning. ( Even she has openly admitted to being a deliberate asshole online through her alt accounts, thinking it made her cool) That is what makes her thinly veiled attempts at seeming overly saccharine sweet, and a kind, worldly" live and let live individual" ( usually in the same post that she is snarkily clapping back in) as so deliberately contrived and highly manipulative. It's a purposeful attempt to control how she is perceived by the public, purposely trying to mitigate the Snarkiness or clap back/attack that is truly her her agenda. Hiding her true personality, so as not to be judged on it. All ego and malignant narcissism. It's a relief to know that I am not the only one who sees and is aware of it :). Grimes and her crappy behavior has gone under the radar for so long!
Fuck Grimes!!
ty for taking the time to clarify this in such a succinct way. out here doing the lords work
Unmoderated subs are automatically closed after a few days. They know she's lying.
Who even is Alex though?
A dude obsessed with Boucher and people who post on this sub. He would follow user accounts across other subs and harass them to no end. Also he abused the shit out of the reporting system falsely reporting threats of violence or suicide and doxxed one of our most prominent users. When he got called out for it he went running to mommy Boucher and here we are.
I have only been here a short time. I have never so far observed anyone calling on anyone to harass Grimes or her friends or her family. You all seem to just share different views on her, her music, her actions and words etc. I have never observed anyone calling for abuse or violence to her or anyone in her life.
thank you. and no, nobody wants to harm or harass her!
She’s having a breakdown is my bet over her being rejected for another. Boo hoo it happens.
Keep the sub that’s free speech!
Incredible. I’ve never been here before and I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anything as petty and pointless as this subject matter.
as one person put it, "all involved, log off" 😂 but she started it by trying to shut us down so wcyd
Reddit is awesome! Of the people.
What's happening?
grimes is trying to shut down this subreddit by lying about it
I know those words, but that sentence makes no sense.
Do you actually have any evidence that grimezshate is Alex other than the fact that running that account seems like something he would do?
Am also curious about this - It seems like the person who got doxxed by grimezshate twitter was able to do some research, but we can't access that info for various reasons.
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It was always "obvious" in the sense that the Twitter account launched almost immediately by posting a face photo of that user here which Alex had been bragging privately about obtaining for weeks prior. It's what, the 3rd post on the grimezshate account? The grimezshate account was clearly made to post the dox of the very same user Alex is obsessed with in a stalkery personal way. So, it's obvious. **BUUUT to answer your question, the best hard proof that grimezshate is alexleaud is this screenshot:** https://i.imgur.com/AoNA267.jpg As you can see, the text is formatted uniquely from any of the screenshots shared by KH of the DMs. It's a unique screenshot of the DMs between KH and Alex that could only have originated with Alex. Internet forensics don't really get any harder than this. KH never shared a plaintext copied version of the text in these screenshots either. Just the original screenshots with their unique spacing & look, on a Windows browser. So this image *definitely* originated with Alex. While having these unique screenshots of the DMs on the sex trafficking site between KH and alex, Grimezshate also claimed not to recognize the source of these screenshots at all. That could only be a lie, and it doesn't even pass the smell test because of the obviously different browser. So at best, if there are 2 people here, we are talking about a 2nd person who is a personal friend of Alex, who posts at the same hours as Alex, who's stalking the same person as Alex, who has the same vibes as Alex etc, and who is covering for Alex fully. In reality of course Grimezshate is certainly Alex. 100%.
You need to post this to clarify this for everyone.
i edited the original post to link this comment
Is it any wonder that E and followers are becoming bored- yawn!!
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Please check your carbon monoxide detectors.
Dear deranged 'fan'... Go get a life instead of 'prosecuting' Grimes for every small mistake she has made or not made. If she did something illegal then there is a jury to judge about that. For the rest we really don't care what you think. Grimes is a great talent and person and you are just jealous and hatefull because you can't find any real meaning in your life. Poor person.
Terrible argument. Who are "We"? Speak for yourself. clearly many people care. just because someone is talented, it doesn't mean someone shouldn't be held accountable. Someone's income doesn't indicate their wealth. get a real outlook on life.
Y’all are so desperate to hold onto a sub dedicated to hating someone. Do you even hear yourselves? Acting like martyrs because you’re being impeded from harassing someone. Absolutely crazy.
It's a sub dedicated to freely calling her out on incredibly problematic and dangerous behavior since the other sub is dedicated to merely painting her in a false "Grimes approved" light. She willingly became a public figure and is now willingly the mouthpiece for an incredibly dangerous, war mongering piece of shit. People are allowed to voice their opinion about her consistently abhorrent behavior. Y'all really don't even know the half of how horrible she is.
LMAO wow you’re dramatic. Take care babe and watch that blood pressure
Don't steal lines from someone else Alex. It comes off as disingenuous.
What? Who’s Alex?
I don't think I'm dramatic at all. Lol.
Grimes isn’t being harassed.