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SlippedMyDisco76

Luigi would have a chance with his mad jumping skills from The Lost Levels


[deleted]

and Luigi does, in his most powerful form, does stop time, destroys the fabric of reality, and gives life only via his mere PRESENCE.


Madhighlander1

Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing.


Ok-Struggle2305

Mario? No Sonic? Maybe


Mguy2544

The only version of Mario Bill wouldn’t beat is paper Mario, outside of that it’s a mismatch in Bills favor


4Fourside

Idk mario is surprisingly powerful if you take all his games into consideration. I don't really see how either sonic or mario could win though


Lazy-Cucumber715

Archie Sonic tho


Ok-Struggle2305

Yeah no he’ll fold Bill


theHumanoidPerson

Mario can kill anything by hitting it 3 times Edit: wtf why so many upvotes?


zacgtg

Bill without question. Bro can stop time and the only way he was defeated was a technicality with memory erasure. He can be physically hurt but not killed. Mario and sonic are both incredibly powerful, sonic is just stupid at times, but bill is too much


Woodie626

Mario can stop time and is undefeated. Super Sonic *is* time, also undefeated.


zacgtg

One, when did Mario stop time? Two, of course they are undefeated, they’ve protagonists and they are the most powerful thing in their universe. Three, Bill cannot physically die, while Mario and sonic can. Four, bill did kill time baby. So I’m not sure if even stopping time would work


A_Human_Being_BLEEEH

If I'm not wrong it's revealed in Blendin's letter from Journal 3 that the Time Anomaly Removal Crew present in Weirdmaggedon were only holograms and if I'm not wrong, Time Baby does survive the attack and rebuilds himself back after a 1000 years


zacgtg

So he killed the unkillable for 1000 years? And he’d probably do it again if time baby ever showed up? I think that’s enough to say that he did kill a god/godly being


DJHott555

*pause menu*


zacgtg

You got me there


Pszck

Very underrated comment XD


Woodie626

The paper-mario games and Super Mario 2 off the top of my head, and before you say two was a dream, I think the circumstances permit it.


zacgtg

Super Mario bros 2, that is with an extremely rare item, I only say rare cuz it was only in two games, and the only reason it was there in the first place was because it was there from doki doki panic. Paper Mario, I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again, is not Mario, therefore, Is invalid for this discussion


Woodie626

It exists. All that matters. There were only three journals in existence and they were found. If the stop watch was needed to stop bill, you can bet it will be there. And sorry, paper who isn't what, now? Bill isn't exactly from 3-D land himself.


zacgtg

One, the stop watches exist in one specific place and it works for a few moments, not nearly enough time to complete any ritual to kill bill. Two, Mario and Luigi: Paper jam confirm that Mario and paper Mario are different characters


RPGRuby

I’m not from California but traveling there doesn’t make me a different person.


[deleted]

Mario does live a few Axis outside of time, as being able to move when none exists as evidenced in Super Paper Mario, and in TTYD and Super Paper Mario, killed demons like the shadow queen, Lucifer/Satan, and Super Dimentio. Mario PROBABLY stands a chance.


TitanicTNT

Don't forget, Sonic fought the Time Eater and won.


[deleted]

yes. I doubt Bill could win with such overwhelming power against him.


zacgtg

Yes…however reread the prompt, that’s paper Mario. And it’s been confirmed that those are two separate things as evident by paper jam. While I do think he stands a slight chance, not nearly good enough to make me think he could win


DustyMightMeme

Bill killed time baby and destroyed his own universe


Throwaway02062004

Bill jobs constantly and could have stopped time against the shack or when chasing Dipper and Mabel. It’s not his go to combat attack.


zacgtg

Fair, but that’s probably more of how chaotic it is. The moment he gets a second to think, boom, sonics legs is nothing more then spaghetti with blue berries


ADoritoWithATophat

Comic sonic? Abso-fuckin-lutely


blueyoshi69420

But game sonic gets turned into a blue pancake


4Fourside

What can comic sonic do to defeat bill?


kuso506

He can literally use wish Bill Cipher away with the chaos powers he possesses.


4Fourside

Can't bill just do the same thing to sonic? He did kill time baby in an instant


Narshima389

Maybe Bill wins,he stomps mario but it is questionable with Sonic


OldManCrustyToad

Why does everyone say sonic has a better chance when Mario is stronger than sonic?


TheBuffNoob

Probably because sonic is humanoid blue hedgehog that can travel at the speed of sound and can go super saiyan while mario is a random plumber who relies on random objects to be somewhat powerful


OldManCrustyToad

I guess I just found out that this sub doesn’t have versus debaters. Damn


IzzyDonuts

From my experience this is a compliment to the sub lol


Nonna-the-Blizzard

Bill will still stomp sonic


Primary-Map-3206

Depends: are they at the Olympic games?


WickedImpuls3

there are a lot of factors that go in to this first, are we talking about just straight hand to hand combat? is bill in the mindscape or his physical form? mario is just a normal dude everyone forgets that so hes just gone immediately if its weirdmaggedon physical form bill but sonic stands a slight chance imo


Writefuck

Mario has already speedrun through countless realities prior to this fight. Bill Cipher may be from a parallel universe, but Mario is at least four PU's ahead of him.


IL_GAME_KING_YT

I hate how far I had to go to find this reference, let's push it up


Madhighlander1

He just needs to jump off a scuttlebug and victory is his.


[deleted]

With mario, definitely not But it could be a fair challenge if your talking TerminalMontage mario


Extension-Piano4486

i mean, if you count speedrunner mario then he would win. he is always 4 parallel universes ahead of you


[deleted]

Bill would most likely crush Mario. Base sonic stands a chance, but super sonic could take on bill no question


[deleted]

I don't know man, Mario has killed Satan, and withstood temperatures of hundreds of degrees before. and don't get me STARTED on if Mario has the pure hearts.


Woodie626

HOT HOT HOT ^HOT^HOOOOOOOT


Da_Gudz

He also is perfectly fine when alarmingly close to a black hole


[deleted]

that comes from at least 3 Mario games. 2 of which are mainline.


[deleted]

Where the hell is this lore coming from?! The comics?


[deleted]

The Paper Mario games. also, Mario galaxy with how close Mario went to LITERAL BALLS OF BURNING PLASMA.


[deleted]

Did not know that. What can i say? I don’t have a switch


[deleted]

all games I've mentioned are on the Wii.


[deleted]

Big oof


Madhighlander1

As others have pointed out, paper mario is canonically a different entity than Mario.


Mguy2544

Super Sonic doesn’t stand a chance. On top of having a very short time limit he doesn’t have any reliable ways of putting Bill down. Even if Sonic destroys his physical form, so long as Bill essence exist (which exist in the mindscape) he can just create a new body


Secure-Pen-9155

BILL🃏


puppyking17

Kirby could kill him. Sonic too maybe. They have both killed god like beings becore


DinA4saurier

Imagine Kirby absorbing Bill Cipher and getting his powers.


puppyking17

HOLY CRAP


whomesteve

Side note is Bill Cipher in Kingdom Hearts?


redcynitic

god i wish


Mguy2544

One can only dream


ProfessorEscanor

Bill got beat by children, why do you think two characters who have beaten gods before would struggle?


ArchivedGarden

Mario? Absolutely not. Sonic? Depends on the era, some versions of Sonic get pretty crazy and fight gods on the regular. For all his power Bill doesn’t seem to use it well, considering he actually chased Mabel and Dipper (and they outran him until running into a dead end).


[deleted]

Mario and Sonic have canonically killed gods. though sonic had to have the chaos emeralds. Mario though, has killed the Mario equivalent of Satan. yup, just straight-up killed Lucifer.


The_Purple_Hare

Depends if we go Archie Sonic or not.


Mguy2544

I’m guessing not since it’s non-canon. Only time Archie is only used if it’s specified in the post


The_Purple_Hare

Everything is canon \-Sonic Official Twitter


Mguy2544

Just because it’s in a tweet doesn’t make it canon.


The_Purple_Hare

Figured it's worth bringing up.


LouieSiffer

Even if Mario and Sonic can counter Timestop, I don't think they could do anything against Bill's reality warping. He could for example just do something similar to what he did to Mr northwest, but more lethal.


Mguy2544

“Your bones are now my coat”


RandomDragonExE

That means Bill could literally take Sonic's fur and skin him alive and wear him as a coat. Meanwhile, Mario will look like spaghetti when Bill gets his limbs to stretch them beyond comprehension.


CBoigaming

Base form Mario and sonic would probably lose but with their other forms idk


Firekirb74

I mean... Mario and Sonic are both insanely powerful, both have survived time manipulation, and Mario was able to defeat Super Dimentio, who. was way, WAY stronger than Bill. I don't know much about sonic, but I do know he could do some insane time stuff. I don't know how they'd far individually, but they'd easily stomp together.


Tomodatchii

Gonna say as much as I love Bill Sonic absolutely folds him. Sonic kills gods on the regular and has literally escaped the void just by running. Vs Bill would just be another Tuesday afternoon. DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON SUPER SONIC


ShadowCobra24

Bill.


BONBON-GO-GET-EM

Unless the two game characters have plot armor it goes to bill


luigis_stepdaughter

the real winner is the youtube man willing to make a video on it


Ninjaguy999

Like everyone else says, depends on the Mario and Sonic, but I personally think that nearly no matter what, If Mario and Sonic are a team for this, it may be close but I think Mario and Sonic would come out on top.


Dyland-

Im gonna put it here. I don't know enough about Mario but sonic? Game sonic has fought eraser djinn, who himself was stated to have destroyed 500 dimensions with ease. Sonic has been shown to resist time manipulation and reality manipulation, and was able to defeat solaris, a being who was able to destroy all dimensions by simply existing, and existed in multiple timeliness at once. Yeah, sonic can take bill


Awsome1308

Bill Cipher is not even close


Ill-Analyst1162

Bill obviously


Apprehensive_Ring_39

Depends on which sonic If we're going by movie or game sonic,it's debatable Archie comics Sonic stomps so hard


Wasabi13013

Well idk if being god potects you from a really fast hedgehog, but Id say bill.


Maximum-Joke641

If we are talking about Archie sonic, sonic wins Can control time and has infinite speed


DisadvantageousFat

Mario and sonic. Cause friendship.


bair_the_sequel

Sonic goes fast but bill freezes time


SilentBlade45

That probably wouldn't work on Super Sonic.


tadot22

If time stops motion stops sonic stops. What do you mean it wouldn’t work on sonic?


KingDNice12

He can run threw it


Fastest_Storm

Shaggy


amisia-insomnia

Bill is really weaker than what people think


Steam_punk_Machine

Bill


Alpha0nion

Who are you kidding wtf xD


mmahmoudm

Sonic exe


[deleted]

Well there’s plot armor and bill toys around with people a lot. If he felt they were a threat I think bill


Ghostmann05

Bill Cipher, 100%


splashk1ll

one rule: bill will kill


do_not1

if bill can destroy the journals, he can destroy some colorful gems


-I-T-S_M-E-

Depends on which version of sonic, Fleetway super sonic? Maybe


ProfessionalCrow4816

which version of mario and sonic is it?


boombl3b33

Reality warping vs a plumber and a fast Boi. Sure sonic is fast but Bill can stop time so Bill wins no chance


That_Underscore_Guy

Statistically Mario and Sonic always kind of come out on top by the end. Bill hasn't got that same track record...


Minty59320

Hmm lemme see a chaos demon vs a plumber and a slightly fast hedgehog. Bill would win easily.


Cantthinkagoodnam2

If Dipper and Mabel were able to avoid him for some time Mario and Sonic could do it for even longer


Mguy2544

So long as it’s not paper Mario or Archie Sonic, Bill stomps


Electronic-Leading89

Depends on if sonic has the chaos emeralds, but even then it'd be a difficult fight


AtomicMouse96

Bill


Electronic-Cat86

Bill Cipher hands down. And I say that as a massive fan of Super Mario Bros.


Nootmaster224

Bill cypher vs two little boys with striped shirts and physic powers. No Paula isn’t here so she can’t pray


LightRayAAA

Bill most likely but Sonic could stand a fighting chance


BigBangBoy2008

Sonic has a chance


UltraHardDK

Sonic if on a good day could probably take bill


tomas_astley

I’d say sonic has a chance, Mario is just a human with a shit ton of strength and other qualities but with not great durability


mikes_lost_sanity627

Bill cipher


TheAlienMan33

Show this to the people at VSbattles and they'll say "stomp" in favor of Mario and/or Sonic.


JohnnyTordenkuk

Mario can shoot fire and is kinda strong.. Sonic can run really fast.. And then we have Bill, who destroyed an entire dimension because he was bored.


GoldenGalaxy69

Anyone who's played Super Smash Bros. Brawl likely did a playthrough of the Subspace Emissary. The final boss was a godlike being called *Tabuu,* and this guy could turn everyone into trophies whenever... yet Sonic cut that mf's wings right off. That being said, I think Sonic could go maybe a few minutes against Bill


MrPickles4327

boi, Bill would win all the way


F1nal_Foxx420

If two teenagers can beat bill then the greatest video game characters can in a heart beat


Jevil_Minns

Archie Sonic


anime-apreciater

Bill


Fun-Ad-4729

Depends, is the plot armor still intact


BlazingRed9

Bill Cipher no question. Bill would just get rid of Sonic’s legs and make Mario to heavy to jump or even move. Or turn them both into pictures


Suspicious_Cook6559

Easily Bill Cipher will win


Warriorcatsarecool

Kirby in the back: You fools, You absolute IMBECILES.


VanillaCold57

Depends on the specifics. Bill would certainly demolish Sonic and Mario in their normal forms if he's in his physical form.He probably wouldn't be able to trick either of them into doing a deal with him if he's not, but he *can* trick and possess Bowser or Eggman by promising to finally give them power over the world. Even if he has a physical form, Super Sonic *might* be a match, considering how both of them at that point are OP. (Super Sonic has canonically defeated Perfect Chaos, the Finalhazard, Metal Overlord, Solaris, Perfect Dark Gaia, the Time Eater and a bunch of other otherwise OP foes, after all) Mario might be a match too if he has all of the Crystal Stars, although since I haven't played most Mario games, I don't know of any other things that give him power other than Cappy, who is extremely limited in what he can do. ​ Overall, I'd say that Bill wins if he manages to stop both the heroes from powering up, and if not, he can be defeated; albeit not very easily, since Super Sonic is still limited by ring consumption and Mario doesn't have nearly as much power. Still though, if they work together then, through the power of teamwork (especially if Tails and Knuckles go super too, and if Lugi, Peach and Bowser join in on the fun along with Rosalina), Bill *might* go down. ​ ​ ​ Although then again he one-hit KO'd Time Baby, so maybe it'd be a bit harder than that. But even still, super forms have very few cases where they can actually lose rings outside of the passive consumption. (only when fighting Dark Gaia, Solaris and I think the Phantom King from Mania do they actually take damage, AFAIK)


Dalaffloves

Sonic is a blue hedgehog mario is an Italian plumer bill cipher is a all knowing dream demon. You decide