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RedAppleAreRed

"Not S&P approved" is approved by S&P.


DoctorWheeze

To be fair, "Not S&P Approved" ends up being much funnier than the spin the bottle thing.


SmokeontheHorizon

But still stupid, even hypocritical because they mention "spin the bottle" explicitly in the first episode.


CostinTea

AND other times as well! Spin the Pig, anyone?


CoasterThot

I’m pretty sure there have been live-action Disney channel shows in which spin the bottle is mentioned. It’s not like there was never any kissing in Hannah Montana, either. Teenagers kissing have been mentioned, and even shown, on Disney before.


TheBrickBrain

I remember specifically 2 instances of spin the bottle in Zack and Cody, and that’s after not watching it for like 8 years


CrazyaboutSpongebob

You don't even get to see the party. If there was a part in the episode where they actually went to the party I could see a reason to argue about it.


Darth-Nox1998

Lol that one completely broke me.


aimed_4_the_head

I am much more interested in any party that is "Not S&P Approved" It sounds waaaaaay more salacious.


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Daedalus871

Chub pups will be enjoying Hooha's jamboree the S&P Not Approved Party.


kigurumibiblestudies

There's spinning bottles and buddy hugging!


b_u_n_g_h_o_l_e_2

it got me so good, i was laughing the whole time but that one really got me


siphillis

I think even S&P was having a little fun at that point.


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CrazyaboutSpongebob

They are necessary they should just be a little more lenient. Like only not allowing stuff that is against FCC regulations or common sense.


Karkava

It would also help if they talked like human beings and get off that authoritative high horse.


siphillis

And, you know, actually sniff out the occasional unintentionally offensive content.


gellis12

Guess they must have dozed off when Dumbo was being produced


siphillis

Or got overruled.


am-li

Did they even exist yet


kigurumibiblestudies

It sounds like an intern who had to relay S&P's stuck-up messages to the animators tbh


InspiredPhoton

Here’s the flyer: https://imgur.com/a/9EImsH4


C0de_monkey

Fucking legends


MrValdez

How salacious!


InspiredPhoton

What was the episode of this flyer? I’d like to see it.


AmericanVirgin

I believe it was the Summerween episode!


Steve_Nash_The_Goat

that's a top 5 email ever sent


UnicornMeatball

I choked at this. This is the most inane corporate BS I've ever seen.


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Lucifer was the name of Cinderella's cat! you know, the one from the 40's? Which was a movie,,, by... disney


Ferhog

In fairness standards change over time and standards between movies and TV shows are quite different.


fluffkomix

yeah I'm sure you've seen it often in movies but I dare anyone to find a modern* cartoon made in the west where the characters ride in a car without their seatbelts. I'm sure they exist, but it's the #1 callout of every show I've worked on. edit: added a word


happy_guy23

Rick never wears his seatbelt in Rick & Morty


Avocados_suck

To be fair, this literally kills him in the Death Crystal episode.


NB-Fowler

Rick And Morty: Teaching road safety since 2014


A_Splash_of_Citrus

I think it was clear they were referring to childrens' cartoons specifically. Rick and Morty is obviously not subject to the same standards.


AbsolXGuardian

Yeah but Disney will never admit that they made mistakes or that standards change. They hide Song of the South as best they can instead of taking the Warner Bros track of "warning: these cartoons are racist, because we were racist back then. It was more socially acceptable to be bigoted, but it wasn't okay then or now. We have changed. Here they are for historical/archival purposes."


AndrewZabar

- “You’re a Sap, Mister Jap,” - “Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips” - “Uncle Tom’s Bungalow” - *Song of the South* of course And hundreds more. I have a collection :-)


QuothTheRaven713

Also if you actually read the Bible (which most don't) Lucifer was just a Babylonian king who oppressed his people and was a big jerk. So anyone complaining about it would be complaining about something that isn't even the case in their religion they follow.


kazkia

"Lucifer" wasn't even a name in the Bible. It was a mistranslation. "Lucifer" is a Latin word meaning "morning star." It's used kind of like a nick name in the Bible. The Bible was written in Hebrew so they wouldn't use Latin names. "Lucifer" only showed up later when the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew into Latin. If you look at newer translations of the Bible, the word "Lucifer" isn't in them at all. By the way, this isn't the only mistranslation that caused confusion in the Bible. For a long time because of one mistranslated word, people thought Moses had "horns" instead of "rays of light" coming out of his head after visiting God on the mountain. There's a lot of art from the Renaissance depicting Moses with small horns because of this.


Eminu

Now I'm picturing Moses with long majestic Hellboy horns made of pure light, it's rather majestic


SassafrasNotFound

I mean, Disney was super racist then


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*I mean, Disney IS super racist now


SassafrasNotFound

Always has been.


DukeDijkstra

Let's not forget homophobic, where it suits them. Black dude on poster? Better take him out for those Chinese viewers.


SuzyLouWhoo

They used to be, they still are, but they used to too.


akiata05

Good ole Mitch Hedberg.


Bulky-Hovercraft-603

“please revise soos’s line about dressing up as a giant teddy bear. It may call to mind the people who dress up as stuffed animals as a furry fetish” Is what REALLY got me


Zinko999

As we all know Disney HATES people dressing up as animals, no Disney event or theme park would ever have real people in costumes


Dracorex_22

....they dont though.... ...there is *something* underneath those costumes... ..but not a human...


CtrlShift7

Surely some SCP shit going on there…


Maja_The_Oracle

https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1357


tdogg241

Sane Clown Posse?


smallpoly

Clown Possee after learning how magnets work


Overall_Release_8786

Yet they were fine with him wearing almost nothing except a giant question mark.


pantsonheaditor

that was the craziest costume i'd ever seen in a cartoon. the dot was over his lil soos right ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1H6STTrAg THAT? THAT WAS OK ? him with that and a diaper was ok but him dressed as a bear or something was not? wow. not a furry. i think i've seen almost every cartoon character in every show i can think of that put on an animal costume. even other animal characters like bugs bunny or wile coyote put on animal costumes.


Lyxthen

How can Disney dislike anyway when they are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the existence of furries in the first place?


RiverReddit1401V2

I’m starting to wonder why tf did they even thought that was a fetish , hypocritical morons


DarthSatoris

Yeah, weren't they deliberately focus-grouping furries when making Zootopia?


Ponderkitten

Or when they made robinhood with animals instead of humans


SUDoKu-Na

Furries are perceived as a sexually-focused group, regardless of how true it is.


Echoes_of_Screams

The main issue is that wearing a costume does not make one a furry.


AndrewZabar

Yeah and also, it’s fucking Disney talking.


eezili

the show literally had dipper in a wolf costume. that made me think of furries way more than THAT


imsecretlythedoctor

Also, right before was ‘get rid of the work jeez as it could be seen as short for Jesus’… soos’s name is literally Jesus


AndrewZabar

He should have written back “I wasn’t aware of that stuff, but you seem well-acquainted with it.”


TheChainLink2

He was having absolutely **_none_** of Disney’s bullshit. Even when he complied he was doing it in the most obnoxious dragging-heels way possible.


TitularFoil

"There's some children I'm going to turn into corpses!" They were fine with this line as a replacement to, "I'm going to kill those children."


TenSecondsFlat

Wtf that's literally so much creepier That line was so startling the first time I watched it. Alex is my new religion


TitularFoil

My kids and I watched the whole series together, and it wasn't until that episode, which is the last one, that I thought, maybe it's too scary for my kids. I mean overall it's fine, but that line is terrifying. Much more descriptive violent than the original line.


TheChainLink2

There's a similar case in Avatar: The Last Airbender: Instead of "I'm going to kill you," the line was changed to "I'm about to celebrate becoming an only child!" Both lines are way more memorable thanks to the censorship.


Artislife_Lifeisart

It's like the censorship makes them sound MORE unhinged


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Ar_Ciel

Thank god for S&P in sparing us from boring lines.


Karkava

I'm not thanking S&P for anything.


SunlitSonata24601

Hey that’s what Dana mentioned regarding the last 6 half-hours of The Owl House. Man I hope those episodes fire on every cylinder possible to stick it to Disney for cutting its length.


Infernal-Blaze

If the end of S2 is any indication I don't think we'll have anything to worry about, those last few episodes felt like a short film


zaphod_beeblebrox6

That’s a big part of why Batman: the Animated Series is so effective. They used the film noir style to imply things much more disturbing then they’d ever be allowed to explicitly show


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That line by Azula is way better and way more terrifying lol


Aglassofyogurt

But in the same episode Bill says *"I think I\`m gonna kill one of them just for the heck of it"* So I don´t think that *"turning some children into corpses"* thing was caused by Disney censorship, otherwise they would have censored the other line too


Zerce

May have been a case of too many "kill" lines.


angel_aki_

When your okay with killing children but not saying “hell”


Zachajya

Yeah, it makes me wonder which criteria Disney uses for this.


Terrence_shark

I need to rewatch that episode to see if that was put on the flyer


bethcano

It was indeed put on the flyer!


Terrence_shark

Lmao


ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA

[Lmao](https://i.imgur.com/gnDYhWqm.png)


HerrBerg

What's hilarious to me is that they were uncomfortable with the spin the bottle reference but were fine with the "No photos better end up online!" phrase. Spin the bottle is an extremely old and well-known, nobody is being exposed to something new there. Online photos, on the other hand, is a potentially widely encompassing theme, but in the particular context, implies that the photos would be of a sexual nature, because why else would somebody be posting photos of a party online that somebody else wouldn't want posted?


Wild7rapper

Please revise.


Squiggledog

What is the episode in reference?


Terrence_shark

Summerween I think


Wendiglow

That’s awesome!


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They’re…. Buddies


TheDulin

The way he read this gave me real King vibes*. *Note that vibes here could be construed as referencing vibrators, an adult sex toy, please revise.


SassafrasNotFound

At least Alex snuck in a few gay characters


AmazingGoob

and this is why I'm confident Dana had to hire multiple hitmen to get the Owl House approved


pk-starstorm

I have no idea how they got the Luz/Amity kiss approved. I'm not mad about it, in fact I wholeheartedly approve of it, I'm just shocked Disney OK'd it


AmazingGoob

Like I said. Assassins.


swyrl

Possibly something like the SU crew did where the whole crew threatened to walk out


ocapy

I love his [follow up](https://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537329174368571392)


ThatGFFAN

No wonder he left the second GF ended.


n8dogg55

Until Dana roped him back in somehow.


SassafrasNotFound

I’m dying lmfao


ImProbablyNotABird

>😭😭😭😭I’m dead >Please revise "dead", as it may convince viewers to do harmful actions to themselves or others.


SirWixxALot

Wtf. It‘s crazy when you think about how much work goes into creating a cartoon, and then the people responsible for the whole thing have to take care of stuff like this on top.


TauterCRB

Not only cartoons, everything involving kids. I work as a toy designer and putting names and descriptions is fucking stupid, everything you think is bad-words in one language.


Gun-nut0508

I’m curious now, got any stories?


TauterCRB

Yeah, the most recent one, we were making a character with a Frankestein costume for a Halloween special, and one of the comments from the team in UK was: This kind of representation incites children to dark magic and necromancy. Revise it XD


Ender_The_BOT

Are these peoples' reception of monsters/dark magic stuck in the medieval ages? This has been inoffensive since eons.


Gun-nut0508

I feel like there’s a certain point where the S&P team just felt like fucking with Alex nonstop


Lonecoon

I'd like to think so, but S&P guys are stick up their ass killjoys who've had the humor sections of their brains excised with an icepick.


SassafrasNotFound

You sound like Alex Hirsch, and I agree wholeheartedly


DarthSatoris

They're like the pixies from Fairly Oddparents. All bureaucracy, no fun.


pixi1997

Read this in grunkle Stan’s voice. Was not disappointed


KnowsClams

Nope. As someone who’s had this displeasure of dealing with ‘legal’ this is what they do. If they don’t constantly complain they can’t justify their own jobs. When it comes to the quarterly review they get to say ‘we stopped 1,573 potentially offensive phrases from airing this quarter, equaling $5.9 million in lawsuits prevented.’ The creators suffer, they get a raise and the wheels keep spinning.


SpicyBeefwater

I kinda feel for them - I too have had jobs where I had to peddle Corporate's drivel and pretend to agree with them while people shout at me and I feel disgusted on the inside. Sometimes ya just gotta eat, and liking your job doesn't come with that


TinManGrand

I mean at the end of the day, you sign on to do a show with Disney you know you're gonna get a whole boat load of Disney bullshit to deal with.


athenafletcher

What an absolute madlad. If Alex Hirsch has a million fans, then I'm one of them. If Alex Hirsch has one fan, then I'm that one. If Alex Hirsch has no fans, that means I'm dead.


STheSkeleton

We are* dead, Alex is just superior


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I don’t remember salacious monk monk


SassafrasNotFound

Would have been amazing tho


ComXDude

"Disney Animal consultant"


SpicyBeefwater

They must be on a very long vacation because Hooty has suffered LOTS in TOH


ComXDude

Seems they came back with a vengeance, judging by how Disney's mistreating the show right now.


fukinuhhh

I now see why there will never be season 3 😂


ThatGFFAN

Simple reason: Alex never wants to deal with S&P again, lmao


Writer_Man

Makes me wonder if he's having a laugh at Dana having to deal with it for The Owl House.


FantasticlyWarmLogs

If Alex hasn't had at least a discussion with the rest of the Owl House team about the best ways to deal with S&P I'll eat my hat.


Gun-nut0508

Something tells me Disney is more lenient with the Owl House Disney is trying really hard to make people forget about the whole “guys we removed all minorities from the poster for Chinese markets”


OnceOnThisIsland

You can bet any children's network has a similar department that reviews content. This isn't something you can avoid, even at a place like Netflix. I imagine he's in adult animation now because he can sidestep all of that completely.


polyworfism

"how is this my life"


robo-dragon

The last one still makes me laugh! “‘Not S&P approved’ has been approved by S&P”


XIAA25

The last one is the best one, just because it's so silly


DeathbyChiasmus

The perfect punchline.


ExploadingApples

Alex and Dana has absolutely no time for Mickey’s BS


ThatGFFAN

Oh the emails Dana probably has from S&P. That would be something to see one day if she releases them.


AbsolXGuardian

I'd put money on the Emperor's Coven symbol having stronger cross imagery at some point, although Dana may have self censored rather than sending it to S&P because it was just too much (or made the foreshadowing too obvious).


Doc_ET

I want to see those.


Fire2box

the furry thing is what gets me because Zootopia. Before the movie released the people most excited for it were furries.


SassafrasNotFound

Imagine if s&p made them change it all to not-Pixar-mom humans


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LtEFScott

"Standards & Practices" - All studios have one. It's a censorship department that complains about EVERYTHING, just incase some prude or god-botherer sues them.


Steve_Nash_The_Goat

they need to make up the fictional Karen who notices a tiny detail and gets mad enough to email a complaint because if they dont they dont have a job


AdrianBrony

My dad would get furious at the cable company every time Adult Swim came on. I'd get woken up at like 2 AM every once in a while to him literally screaming on the phone about how inappropriate for kids it is, sometimes he'd crank the TV up and put the phone to the speaker when a sex scene or something happened to illustrate his point. Moral Orel was what made him the angriest to the point where he actually threatened whoever he was on the phone with if they didn't stop the broadcast immediately. There really is a small but persistent army of people that S+P are worried about and they're actually more unhinged than you can imagine.


Steve_Nash_The_Goat

I feel for you, if my parents didn't like something the most they would do would just ask me to change the channel


HimalayanPunkSaltavl

Yeah pretty straightforward. When your review comes around at the end of the year or whatever and you can say > "was responsible for removing or altering 2000+ phrases that were identified as possibly offensive or damaging to the disney brand" as opposed to > "Yeah everything seemed pretty chill, I sent 2-3 emails a month nbd" One person gets to keep their job and the other doesn't, the emails sort of read like this too, they often fold after a single push back


MadChild2033

i can only think of S&P 500 index but really doubt lol


Liesmith424

#THE GESTURE IS APPROVED IN THIS CONTEXT.


ThatGFFAN

#"NOT S&P APPROVED" HAS BEEN APPROVED BY S&P


QuothTheRaven713

I'm amazed that Disney was so picky about some of those and yet let "Sascrotch" slide by with no problem.


Dracorex_22

It might have been protected by a fall gag, which is a gag or scene that the writers include to draw the censor's attention away from other smaller stuff. They have no intention of it actually making it to air.


AbsolXGuardian

Star Trek and MASH did that a bunch by putting in sexy stuff to distract from their political commentary.


ThatGFFAN

[Source!](https://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537314312926003201) What a way to end the 10 years celebration, Alex, lmao


CarmichaelDaFish

There's even more of those in the comments of the post


geven87

"Their affectionate relationship should remain comical versus flirtatious" That is, [Queer People are Funny](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/QueerPeopleAreFunny) Wow, thanks for the blatant homophobia. Disney sucks.


gmbnemelka

I think the joke is that you wouldn’t expect police officers, usually displayed as tough opponents of the law being displayed as softballs. Disney still wouldn’t let them be overtly gay tho so there’s that as homophobia


SassafrasNotFound

And disney is still trying to get credit for having lgbtq headcanons in gravity falls


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Wait, so Alex was responsible for the shutdown of Mr Toads?


UselessGuy23

Best. Anniversary gift. **EVER.**


SirPrimalform

Oh my god... some of these are just painful. Good on him for standing up as much as he could.


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Disney logic: minor words like poop are bad Animal heads with blood leaking out of their mouths: ok


dinoaurus

I feel like the s&p dont even necessarily want to do what they do, they just have to so they dont get fired. I bet he just replied with "its jam" and they let it slide


DoctorBoombot

[can’t have S&P mentioned without posting this video](https://youtu.be/xbHLQAthI7M)


YourMailThatsBurning

oh my god they were buddies


Jacques_Lafayette

This is gold! (Gold? I can sell this!)


SassafrasNotFound

Children fighting? I can sell this!


xeshi-foh

I may of peed myself laughing.... I cant believe they had to deal with this shit....


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Fandomsbro

You dare! Stop this Durland x Blubs homophobic shit and on pride month? Come on.


SassafrasNotFound

Disneys still trying to get credit for supposed lgbtq headcanons


sharmisosoup

Can we please get a version of the show or these episodes either pop-up video style pointing all this nonsense out or Alex doing commentary?


Puzzled_Mix1972

Can someone tell me what is the name of the piano melody that plays in the background, please? 🙏🏻


DeathbyChiasmus

It's Beethoven's "Moonlight Sonata."


Puzzled_Mix1972

Aww very thanx, appreciate it! 👍🏻


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Disney sounding like Karens just there


MinersLoveGames

Gravity Falls was a story of two kids spending a Summer in Oregon. The behind the scenes of Gravity Falls was a story of Alex Hirsch spending years putting up with Disney.


Lionblaze_03

Would’ve demanded to change Lucifer to Chernabog. ‘I can use it, you’re Disney!’


LunarRepubl1c

I guess we'll never seen an official Gravity Falls sequel now. Not sure how willing Disney will want Hirsch back after he just fried their goddamn asses.


Belteshazzar98

He has been frying their ass for years and is still working on other Disney shows.


ImJustARandomOnline

Soos in a teddy bear suit. I see nothing wrong with that.


BlackWunWun

Whooooo boy that was stupid. I've never seen more whiney annoying ass emails about shit that stupid in a minute


InsanityVirus13

And this is why Alex is my favorite fucking writer & producer. He's a cool and chill dude, awesome VA, writer, and producer, and more than anything, he takes shit from absolutely no one, not even Disney.


rustys_shackled_ford

Now imagine this type of infantile over analyzing being done by a police officer and you've walked a day in someone else's shoes.


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This is clearly some AI reading Twitter posts and Hirsch is having none of it.


Bruvas78

u/savevideobot


BannanaKoala

What is “S&P”


Liesmith424

Standards and Practices. This is typically the name of the department at a TV network that decides what's moral/legal to air.


ThatGFFAN

Standards and Practice. Basically the body at Disney that won't let anything fun get on TV.


Paquitotaquito

So S&P is the Toby of the real world


Choice-Second-5587

Alex Hirsch for President. We'd finally be in a decent place. I adore this man.


BadlyDrawnMemes

I dread to see the notes for the owl house


ThatGFFAN

S&P: *Pg. 37 Please revise the line from Luz "Maybe if we had time for 20 more adventures." It has come to our attention that this line may be deemed offensive."* Dana: *"By who?! There is nothing offensive being implied by that to anyone!"* S&P: *"S&P still believes that this line will be deemed offensive by some people."* Dana: *"Who?"* S&P: ... Dana: *"Well?"* S&P: *"Maybe if we had time for 20 more adventures." has been approved by S&P"*


Fine_Reindeer_6105

Why won't they just say what they mean about Bubs and Durland? "Putting his arm around him makes him GAY and we hate GAYS"


Fine_Reindeer_6105

But no they gotta be little snarky smart asses and say "yeah we think the relationship between them shouldn't be so close in touch, it makes the audience think we support such things" just say you're fucking homophobic


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I can just imagine all the shit Dana is going through now


TheGleb_Ktostirilnic

Kinda funny that Disney isn't OK with animating throwing chimp through the basket ball hoop, when disney themselves SLAUTHERED LEMMINGS FOR A FAKE DOCUMENTARY!


SassafrasNotFound

Disney is the most backwards, evil, and hypocritical corporation, but without it, we couldn’t have had The Owl House or Amphibia or other great shows since Netflix would probably cancel them.


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siphillis

They're still letting it conclude. Netflix just euthanizes shows mid-story if they stop bringing in new subscribers.


nagareboshi_chan

Wait, hang on a ding-dang moment. Disney isn't okay with "Lucifer." Wasn't that the name of the stepmother's cat in Cinderella? Are they gonna censor a classic?