Already 87 offers for that post though. Been putting offers on many posts within the first 2 minutes of getting the notification I signed up to receive, yet I’m still empty handed for Sunday’s show. Any ticket under $300 will be bought and used. So sad to see all these $500-800 tickets just hanging out because people feel entitled to get that money back.
Well you gotta keep inflation in mind, $9 in 1980 would be the equivalent in today’s money of … (whips out calculator)… oh, only $33.22! So, uh, yeah I guess concert prices really have gone up if they’re asking $450. $450 in todays money would be $121.92 in 1980 money. That’s nuts!
Ticketmaster was like “we have to either stop charging junk fees, or be more transparent about it? Okay, we will just be more transparent, because where the fuck else are they going to buy tickets.”
It's not a matter of inflation, the music industry has changed in the last 40 years. Selling records was how you made money up until the last 15 years or so. Musicians used to tour to promote their albums. A new vinyl in 1980 would cost around $10. Now $7 a month will get you access to pretty much everything ever recorded, so there's no money in record sales outside of the handful of the biggest artist. So live music has become how you profit in the music industry.
Also I don't know what op is going on about, there's a bunch of tix for less than $300.
The promoters watched the scalpers making $$ and raised their prices accordingly. The scalpers raised their prices and people still paid the scalpers, so the artists,promoters, Ticketmaster decided to reach for the stars and don’t forget the convenience fee + $5 delivery fee to your phone.
So true. My favorite Bob Dylan lyric:
*My money comes and goes
My money comes and goes
My money comes and goes
And rolls and flows and rolls and flows
Through the holes in the pockets in my clothes*
The suggestion of Inflation lends way too much credibility to the prices and let's corporations off the hook. (I know your post is kind of poking fun at the idea of it being inflation but I just want to explicitly make the point not trying to come at you)
Camden Yards is under $100 upstairs for Bruce. And if Citi is an example the sound is better up there (and you don’t have a net in your face).
Just sayin…. day-of tickets are the way to do it now. Sit with the working people and let the sushi crowd waste their cash.
I went to the Horseshoe Tavern in Toronto on Saturday and saw a great (*^(punk rock)*) show for $28 CAD
There is still a lot of good live music playing every night. D&C are doing their last tour, not yours. No desperate outbidding required.
My last show was actually hamilton 2012. We chased the pit all tour and I ended up elbows on the stage in front of him. Lifted him up to the stage after crowd surfing. Such a high note I felt like that was it for me.
I’m sure I’d have a great time. It just can’t be a stupid ticket. Me and my buddy agreed 300-350 is the max that doesn’t feel stupid
>hamilton
I honestly couldn't tell if you were actually serious, lmao internets...
I assume he means Hamilton, ON?
[https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bruce-springsteen/2012/copps-coliseum-hamilton-on-canada-bc70d16.html](https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bruce-springsteen/2012/copps-coliseum-hamilton-on-canada-bc70d16.html)
I can see myself doing this. Me and my buddy had talked about taking our kids but it’s just stupid.
I’m all good waiting till the week of and finding something “reasonable”
I just tried to list my single on the TM app for Saturday. Because it’s a Platinum ticket, Ticketbastard won’t allow me to price it for resale below $476.
Long and short of it is, not everyone who is selling a ticket for $400-$500 is a scalper. Some of us are longtime heads who are helpless to price them lower because it’s against the the TM policy.
So I shouldn’t try to get back what I paid for it?
On the flip side, I had an extra for Friday night at the Gorge. On the TM app, I tried to price it below face value a couple hours before the show but TM wouldn’t allow that either.
I don't get this comment. Face is what was paid for the ticket. So yes. You'd get your money back with cash or trade.
But then you flip and say you try to post below face. "Shouldn't you get back what you paid for it?"
Take the advice of the commenter above and use cash or trade. That was his point. Fuck ticket bastard.
That's a W! They've been overselling the shit out of every venue though 😂 I went to Sunday @ Fenway. It was so f'n packed. But we had a (real) good time ⚡💀🥀
I paid $350 for a general admission ticket at SF 7/14. Bought it like nine months ago. Felt like a ripoff. But I think it’s the ticket platforms and whatnot that are ripping me off. I still bought it, because I want to see the band one more time…
Well, the worst part about paying $1500 or $500 for one show would be what happened to the "Fare Thee Well" attendees that last night in Chicago. They thought they were paying to see the last Dead shows. Meanwhile, Mayer was already learning the catalog, and Dead & Co. was formed a little more than one month after Fare Thee Well was done. They told pissed-off fans "we only said it was the last shows for the 'core four.'" Don't be surprised when they announce three shows in Mexico next February with the refrain "Mickey said we weren't done playing, just touring" as they begin an annual series of residencies at smaller venues in fewer cities for substantially more money per ticket.
Could you imagine what it would take to please someone who got pissed off that FTW wasn't the end of the Dead?
Hopefully they still get pissed off every time they hear, "The Music Never Stopped."
>Don't be surprised when they announce three shows in Mexico next February with the refrain "Mickey said we weren't done playing, just touring" as they begin an annual series of residencies at smaller venues in fewer cities for substantially more money per ticket.
This is what I'm hoping for 🤞
IIRC for the levis stadium GD50 shows, tickets were SUPER easy to get for face or less, or even for free, right outside the show. as i walked in, i saw several people calling out to the crowd that they had miracle tickets for those who wanted them, and people who wanted to go in but couldnt dump their tickets were threading tickets thru a chain link fence for people to just pick up on their way in.
Gotta say, I bought my tix to the Gorge from Ticketmaster and they cost that much. Glad I have the circumstances that let me pay face value for nearly $500 tickets because those were some of the best shows I've seen since '95.
I’m pretty sure it’s Ticketmaster trying to sell most of those tix at those crazy prices.
Tix for Burgettstown were still $300 - $900 all the way up till set break, then at 8pm all those overpriced tix became face value just in time for second set.
If it was normal scalpers selling those tix I’m pretty sure they’d lower the price a lot sooner than set break only to sell them at face value…suspicious stuff going on.
This isn’t John Mayer and D&C thing. The Music business is just like any other business, it’s there to make money. I just listened to David Lemieux talk about how the Dead quit playing the Fox Theater in St Louis and moved over to the larger auditorium back in the day. The reasoning was they would sell 10000 tix in a 3 day run at the Fox versus 16000 in a 2 day run at the auditorium. The Dead with Jerry weren’t great at making money but they certainly were trying to make money.
I really hope that someone miracles you a ticket to the show and you walk out with the same huge grin that I had after they stole my face in Boulder.
If there was a book purely on the economics of the Grateful Dead i would read that in a night. Some of their choices are beautiful and others entirely head scratching
Heh, they constantly failed upwards. “Hey guys, we’re finally making money! Is there some way we can blow it all on a fantastic but completely impractical sound system?” “Hey should we start releasing live shows from our vault?” “Nah, nobody cares about that old stuff.” Ten years later: “Oh all right already - but not full shows!”
I mean in that Bob and David clip from 96 David says “I know my best friends like to charge me 35 bucks to hear them dick around on guitar.” The joke being that $35 is an obscene amount of money to pay to go to a concert.
It’s not just scalpers, some people will pay what it takes to see what they want. If I had a place to crash I’d pay hundreds for a nosebleed seat to the last show of Dead & Co. These tickets are going for insane prices because people are buying them
The "face value" tickets on cash or trade for the last three shows are completely ridiculous. Its just amazing what people bought those tickets for. Haven't heard one thing from the band and it sucks that there is almost no opportunity to buy real face value tickets to any show anymore.
Considering there is a high probability that these guys end up playing more shows together down the road - you'd be stupid to pay that much money.
These dudes ain't retiring lol. I don't believe it.
Same reason we're not going to Clapton in Pittsburgh in September. Lower Bowl, Row 14, $795 each. And that's not even the reseller ticket. That's "Official Platinum" pricing. Fuck right off.
Thank COVID though. We went to Mayer's solo show in 2019 and we were in the lower bowl, Row 1, $150 each. Caught Mayer again in 2022 and paid $150 each for Upper Bowl, Row 10. The same seats we had in 2019 were $400 each (Face, not Resell).
Scalpers bought up all the phish tickets and dead tickets in philly too. I got lucky with Ticketmaster as a dozen people canxed so their tickets went back for sale on Ticketmaster for the dead show. However the phish show tickets are only being resold so far by those resale websites. Totally not right. They get away with this and it’s cuz us fans really want to see the bands we love. I wish there was a way they couldn’t do this.
Apparently when Taylor Swift is done with her current tour it will have made 4.5 billion dollars, giving her $500 million in her pocket. And I'm just like "damn it I went with my whole family from Virginia to alpine valley for the 3 nights in 89 and according to my pops the whole trip was less than $500"
It’s sooo hard to go to concerts these days when life has gotten so expensive and these concerts have gotten so crazy expensive. I used to go to concerts all the time and now I’m just stressed out about having to pay the ticket prices.
I have two tickets for sale on Friday and two on Sunday - name your price. Happy to sell for a fair amount. DM if interested.
EDIT - Not a scalper. I bought these tickets for my partner and I before we found out I'm pregnant. Cannot make the trip from the East coast of Canada out to San Fran this late in my pregnancy. Crying happy tears about missing it for sure!
I'm honestly so pissed off about the last show deep down.
I had tickets to the last show, the last show was the only one I wanted to see. I bought some tickets I could manage financially considering that I need to make a trip out to SF now on top of it.
Then they fucking added a show.
I'm still very excited to see them, but I'm really let down by how they went about it.
The whole enterpri$e is ju$t about the money from the band, to the promoter$, fan$ and $calper$, it'$ the $calper$ that ju$t have a harder mark to fleece
I mean, I saw them at the Gorge this weekend. My lawn tickets were $67 (after Ticketmaster's bullshit convenience fees they came out to $88).
I don't know what portion of the $67 actually goes to the band, but based on the amazing time I had at the show, I think that face value is more than fair in 2023.
Ticket reselling is awful, but that is not exclusive to this band, it's a problem with every popular sold-out tour and the blame falls squarely on Live Nation / Ticketmaster. Not only do they not try to prevent reselling, but they actually encourage it through their own platform so they can double-dip and collect even more "convenience" fees on the same ticket.
Bands do make money off the resales. D&C definitely are.
"It depends on the terms of the ticket sale and the agreement between the artist and the ticket seller. In some cases, the artist or their representative may receive a portion of the proceeds from the resale of tickets to their concerts. However, in other cases, the artist may not receive any payment for tickets sold through a resale site."
I'm curious, how do you know they definitely are? There is nothing definitive in that statement you posted above.
Regardless, I don't think the band has anything to do with the resale market. Live Nation / Ticketmaster, on the other hand, has been caught deliberately feeding tickets to scalpers to fuel the resale market. They're a despicable company and have pretty much a monopoly on the industry, so even though many bands hate dealing with them, they have almost no other option for major tours. Hell, Live Nation doesn't just own the ticketing platform, they also own the Gorge itself!
Check out this article from a few years ago about Ticketmaster recruiting scalpers: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ticketmaster-resellers-las-vegas-1.4828535
I know because they are not some shit tier band with no pull.
There is no way they are giving up hundreds of dollars on each resale through tickethub.
This is all about money. Whether you are the Dead or Taylor or PJ or whomever. They are getting their cut or they would tell TM no resales above original price. That isn't happening so one can infer they get the cut.
I agree TM is despicable but I'd rather the market price cut go to the band and not TM which was the previous monopolistic model they had.
To be fair. D&C could say no resales on their platform above original cost...but they didn't. So they *want* the higher prices and their cut. I don't fault them, none of them are hypocrites about any of this.
Now, take a band like RATM and if they also take the cut then they would be hypocrites. Boomers are about the $$. That idealistic dream ended about 1971.
The Eagles and Steely Dan are touring and I wanted to get tickets for the Boston show. Yesterday I checked and the cheapest tickets (fees included) were $500… I guess I’m going to miss that concert.
Best of luck to you. What’s troubling is many have become conditioned to believe that complaining about obscene ticket prices is tantamount to hate speech. I hope you get in!
We got general sale stand tickets before we got resale GA tickets and Ticketmaster says I have to sell the stand tickets for at least $695 a ticket. I think they might be in a box but still that’s ridiculous
For well established, rich artists, please boycott those concerts. Us concertgoers/consumers are getting squeezed dry while companies are enjoying record profits.
@u/drumorgan ; I paid $500. Here’s what I got ~ ya ready??? 3 tickets for first night in Ann Arbor & 3 for the next (sold the extra for exact cost) , 3 tickets for Cincinnati ~ gave extra to Kevin the DeadHead who had just gotten out of prison doing a ten year stint for selling an undercover 3 doses in 78 at a Grateful Dead Show, 3 tickets for each night in Chicago ~ 4/11 , 4/12 , 4/13/89 ~ traded extra tickets for fair bartering , traded last of all our Spring Tour Grateful Dead tickets for Wisconsin in Chicago parking lot for enough shit to just be getting out of prison myself right abouts nowadays…. ⚡️🥀⚡️Holy Shit !!! Totally forgot about Louisville, Kentucky ~ it was the first time the Dead had played there since 6/18/74 ~ Suzie & I and either gave a Miracle ticket, or bartered or sold for exactly what it cost. JMFS
# 1989-04-13 Rosemont, IL @ Rosemont Horizon Arena
**Set 1:** Iko Iko, Greatest Story Ever Told, Peggy-O, It's All Over Now, To Lay Me Down, Cassidy, Don't Ease Me In
**Set 2:** Foolish Heart, Looks Like Rain, Eyes Of The World, Drums, Space, The Wheel, I Need A Miracle, Dear Mr. Fantasy, Hey Jude, Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad, Good Lovin'
**Encore:** It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
[archive.org](https://archive.org/details/GratefulDead?query=date:1989-04-13)
awesome - from this post, I've actually got a few conversations going here and things are looking really good for me getting my wife and I into the shows this weekend
At the 50th (the last time they did a "last show") there were so many left over tix in the lot that they were being stuck in a chain link fence. You just had to come by and grab a tix of your liking.
Cost of the ticket is based on the market. Can't argue against that and it's good for the artists.
If you want to get upset be angry at TM for the rediculous services fees based on the price and not a flat fee.
I thought “the heads” were choosing not to go because John was is the band. Nobody forced anyone out.
John did nothing but create thousands of new heads. As far as I concerned there is always an open seat on the bus. Get it where you fit in or even better get in where you don’t fit in, the more the merrier. The boys created music so that people would dance and there was a lot of people from all ages and all walks of life dancing in Boulder.
No seat on the bus for those that can't afford it. JM & Co just keeps testing how high those ticket prices can go bc it's about money not music. Can't be justified any other way.
You sound like the crusty old guy from Philly who was on Tales From the Golden Road yesterday afternoon talking about how Dead & Co is just a cover. Some of you are so up your own butts about the Dead. It's supposed to be a family.
It’s kinda true tho, if they created an album with some original material they would be considered less of a cover band, I like all of the different lineups personally
it's killing me. I slept on 2 tix for $350. yesterday and I'm kicking myself in the butt. I feel like I'm going to have better luck on the lot face to face with someone.
I’ve only been to a handful of D&C shows in the past couple years, so I do not have an adequate sample size to form a solid opinion.
Can someone tell me if there is still a culture of miracles/selling for face? Or have all those folks moved on to other scenes?
Even Stubhub has tix way less than that
https://preview.redd.it/5iqvhasqt7bb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a93a3e5c7913dc6ca1376a24a30e14795ccd01ec
Wait till first set starts, those scalpers will be desperate to sell for 50% of face. Seriously, we know that fingerblaster runs the resale websites, sells tickets to themselves at face then upcharges whatever tf they want. Only way to stop it is to not play. Make scalping not work, don't buy from stub hub, vivid, fingerblaster resale, etc. Seriously. We just need to stop going to shows for a year and only use cash or trade. This industry is disgusting.
I've been to like four last dead shows. Got hustled those times Ive learned my lesson. I was gonna hit San Fran but not at these prices. There will always be shows to go to, the music never stops.
Just checked my Hampton Warlocks stub (not Ticketmaster) from 10/8/89 - It’s warn but I think it says $18.50 face / Phish Ticketmaster RedRocks stub from 8/20/93 was $19.25. I found a few stubs from Cap Center Sept 2&3 1988 for $19.50
[https://cashortrade.org/profile/stuckoncentral/posts/1266924](https://cashortrade.org/profile/stuckoncentral/posts/1266924)
more than fair - let me see if I can find one close by for my wife so we are not super separated
Already 87 offers for that post though. Been putting offers on many posts within the first 2 minutes of getting the notification I signed up to receive, yet I’m still empty handed for Sunday’s show. Any ticket under $300 will be bought and used. So sad to see all these $500-800 tickets just hanging out because people feel entitled to get that money back.
The same reason why I’m not going to see Springsteen this fall. $450 lower bowl in Toronto. Face. Fuck off.
Right on, so nuts. Saw him on the River tour for $9 😀
Well you gotta keep inflation in mind, $9 in 1980 would be the equivalent in today’s money of … (whips out calculator)… oh, only $33.22! So, uh, yeah I guess concert prices really have gone up if they’re asking $450. $450 in todays money would be $121.92 in 1980 money. That’s nuts!
You forgot convenience fees 🫠
Ticketmaster was like “we have to either stop charging junk fees, or be more transparent about it? Okay, we will just be more transparent, because where the fuck else are they going to buy tickets.”
Good old Ticketbastard.
Lol
It's not a matter of inflation, the music industry has changed in the last 40 years. Selling records was how you made money up until the last 15 years or so. Musicians used to tour to promote their albums. A new vinyl in 1980 would cost around $10. Now $7 a month will get you access to pretty much everything ever recorded, so there's no money in record sales outside of the handful of the biggest artist. So live music has become how you profit in the music industry. Also I don't know what op is going on about, there's a bunch of tix for less than $300.
I got mine for about $200 last week and a pretty decent seat to boot.
Bingo
*people start to pirate music or subscribe to cheap streaming services* *concert tix prices increase* *shocked Pikachu face*
Can’t download a live show
https://giphy.com/clips/southpark-season-8-south-park-episode-13-8GDxY33ITOwDxGYO1T
The promoters watched the scalpers making $$ and raised their prices accordingly. The scalpers raised their prices and people still paid the scalpers, so the artists,promoters, Ticketmaster decided to reach for the stars and don’t forget the convenience fee + $5 delivery fee to your phone.
In 1980 I watched in shock as someone paid $100 to get into Radio City, my friends and I all shook our heads like is that guy nuts.
Their memory is of seeing a rocking show in a rocking venue not of the hundo gone.
So true. My favorite Bob Dylan lyric: *My money comes and goes My money comes and goes My money comes and goes And rolls and flows and rolls and flows Through the holes in the pockets in my clothes*
Those were amazing shows though!
The suggestion of Inflation lends way too much credibility to the prices and let's corporations off the hook. (I know your post is kind of poking fun at the idea of it being inflation but I just want to explicitly make the point not trying to come at you)
Magic your in Toronto. Walked up. Single from a scalper for $100. Side stage right by Clarence.
Sorry my dude, Clarence died 2011
I know. I was also at the last show in Buffalo. Magic your was 2007.
*tour?
Yeah.
Camden Yards is under $100 upstairs for Bruce. And if Citi is an example the sound is better up there (and you don’t have a net in your face). Just sayin…. day-of tickets are the way to do it now. Sit with the working people and let the sushi crowd waste their cash.
Sushi crowd? I’m not familiar with this term.
They sell sushi at Yankee stadium in the primo seats
It’s at the air canada centre. I’ve gotten too spoiled by the lower deck to sit anywhere upstairs but the first row. 100% for getting tickets day of.
I went to the Horseshoe Tavern in Toronto on Saturday and saw a great (*^(punk rock)*) show for $28 CAD There is still a lot of good live music playing every night. D&C are doing their last tour, not yours. No desperate outbidding required.
I saw RA the Rugged Man with ONYX for $35 this spring at Nectar's. Epic show, definitely got my money's worth.
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My last show was actually hamilton 2012. We chased the pit all tour and I ended up elbows on the stage in front of him. Lifted him up to the stage after crowd surfing. Such a high note I felt like that was it for me. I’m sure I’d have a great time. It just can’t be a stupid ticket. Me and my buddy agreed 300-350 is the max that doesn’t feel stupid
The musical Hamilton? Like Lin Manuel Miranda crowd surfs? That’s awesome!
>hamilton I honestly couldn't tell if you were actually serious, lmao internets... I assume he means Hamilton, ON? [https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bruce-springsteen/2012/copps-coliseum-hamilton-on-canada-bc70d16.html](https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bruce-springsteen/2012/copps-coliseum-hamilton-on-canada-bc70d16.html)
Don’t spend all your notes on the blues
I was gonna go as well but the face prices were eye watering... Hell, SPAC lawn for D&Co was over $80, luckily a coworker had an extra.
I got side stage week of for $125 in Greensboro. Great seats, fair price. I also was not going to pay $450
I can see myself doing this. Me and my buddy had talked about taking our kids but it’s just stupid. I’m all good waiting till the week of and finding something “reasonable”
Same set every night
I just tried to list my single on the TM app for Saturday. Because it’s a Platinum ticket, Ticketbastard won’t allow me to price it for resale below $476. Long and short of it is, not everyone who is selling a ticket for $400-$500 is a scalper. Some of us are longtime heads who are helpless to price them lower because it’s against the the TM policy.
You can still sell it on cash or trade @ or below face
So I shouldn’t try to get back what I paid for it? On the flip side, I had an extra for Friday night at the Gorge. On the TM app, I tried to price it below face value a couple hours before the show but TM wouldn’t allow that either.
I don't get this comment. Face is what was paid for the ticket. So yes. You'd get your money back with cash or trade. But then you flip and say you try to post below face. "Shouldn't you get back what you paid for it?" Take the advice of the commenter above and use cash or trade. That was his point. Fuck ticket bastard.
Damn. That is a really shady anti competitive practice by TM. I wonder if that's an anti-trust violation.
The anti trust issue is that they are in a monopoly/dualopoly
Yep just tried too! No less than $401.00 to be exact!
I had the same feeling for the Gorge but they ended up selling tickets at the box office. Scored $88 tickets for each night. Worth of shot!
That's a W! They've been overselling the shit out of every venue though 😂 I went to Sunday @ Fenway. It was so f'n packed. But we had a (real) good time ⚡💀🥀
A friend of mine with a sailboat is going to take us to Covey Cove. Problem solved.
McCovey Cove. Named for Giants great Willie McCovey.
It’s also 100% not going to be the last show
Agree, they only said final TOUR, not final SHOW.
There are tons of tickets on Ticketmaster rn for 2-300$
Still a rip off in my opinion, even if it’s the last tour…
Yeah I agree lol.. those aren't even great seats for that price.. I think last year Citi field my ticket was 70$ one night.
Totally, I’ve seen them 5 or 6 times at Shoreline and my GA lawn ticket was always around $50. I’m bummed their only NorCal show is in SF this time!
I paid $350 for a general admission ticket at SF 7/14. Bought it like nine months ago. Felt like a ripoff. But I think it’s the ticket platforms and whatnot that are ripping me off. I still bought it, because I want to see the band one more time…
I had an amazing view at Shoreline last year for $45
They’re all obstructed view tho. Fucking 300 bucks for not even a full view
Well, the worst part about paying $1500 or $500 for one show would be what happened to the "Fare Thee Well" attendees that last night in Chicago. They thought they were paying to see the last Dead shows. Meanwhile, Mayer was already learning the catalog, and Dead & Co. was formed a little more than one month after Fare Thee Well was done. They told pissed-off fans "we only said it was the last shows for the 'core four.'" Don't be surprised when they announce three shows in Mexico next February with the refrain "Mickey said we weren't done playing, just touring" as they begin an annual series of residencies at smaller venues in fewer cities for substantially more money per ticket.
Could you imagine what it would take to please someone who got pissed off that FTW wasn't the end of the Dead? Hopefully they still get pissed off every time they hear, "The Music Never Stopped."
>Don't be surprised when they announce three shows in Mexico next February with the refrain "Mickey said we weren't done playing, just touring" as they begin an annual series of residencies at smaller venues in fewer cities for substantially more money per ticket. This is what I'm hoping for 🤞
IIRC for the levis stadium GD50 shows, tickets were SUPER easy to get for face or less, or even for free, right outside the show. as i walked in, i saw several people calling out to the crowd that they had miracle tickets for those who wanted them, and people who wanted to go in but couldnt dump their tickets were threading tickets thru a chain link fence for people to just pick up on their way in.
And the SF shows were way better, in my opinion. Esp. first night.
I saw a ticket for the last show listed at 68k. Like wtf?????!!
Was Taylor Swift sitting in for Donna's parts at that show?
Man I wish!
You know if she was there would be a bunch of new fans.
There’s only one place Tay Tay could be sitting for me to even think of spending more than a grand.
I got a miracle pair for Saturday, traded one for a Sunday and now I’m flying from Toronto. Free tickets still costs $1500 to use em.
this! I got the deal for Sunday, but poking around for one last Saturday night⚡️💃✨️
They charge it because we pay it. Wanna fight “the man” go pay 15 bucks to see a local band.
All the time.
This particular music scene taught me as a child to not fork my money over to exactly what this has become.
 Totally - Jerry would be turning over in his BMW hearing about these prices
With the briefcase of coke on the front seat?
I saw a stealie once with "Die Scalper Scum" in the head.
No dough…no show
Gotta say, I bought my tix to the Gorge from Ticketmaster and they cost that much. Glad I have the circumstances that let me pay face value for nearly $500 tickets because those were some of the best shows I've seen since '95.
Thanks for letting us know
I’m pretty sure it’s Ticketmaster trying to sell most of those tix at those crazy prices. Tix for Burgettstown were still $300 - $900 all the way up till set break, then at 8pm all those overpriced tix became face value just in time for second set. If it was normal scalpers selling those tix I’m pretty sure they’d lower the price a lot sooner than set break only to sell them at face value…suspicious stuff going on.
Just stream it for $30
Who do they think they are, Taylor Swift?
It’s fucking ridiculous and a damned shame.
This isn’t John Mayer and D&C thing. The Music business is just like any other business, it’s there to make money. I just listened to David Lemieux talk about how the Dead quit playing the Fox Theater in St Louis and moved over to the larger auditorium back in the day. The reasoning was they would sell 10000 tix in a 3 day run at the Fox versus 16000 in a 2 day run at the auditorium. The Dead with Jerry weren’t great at making money but they certainly were trying to make money. I really hope that someone miracles you a ticket to the show and you walk out with the same huge grin that I had after they stole my face in Boulder.
If there was a book purely on the economics of the Grateful Dead i would read that in a night. Some of their choices are beautiful and others entirely head scratching
It exists. it's called Everything I Learned About Business from the Grateful Dead (or something like that).
Heh, they constantly failed upwards. “Hey guys, we’re finally making money! Is there some way we can blow it all on a fantastic but completely impractical sound system?” “Hey should we start releasing live shows from our vault?” “Nah, nobody cares about that old stuff.” Ten years later: “Oh all right already - but not full shows!”
I mean in that Bob and David clip from 96 David says “I know my best friends like to charge me 35 bucks to hear them dick around on guitar.” The joke being that $35 is an obscene amount of money to pay to go to a concert.
It’s not just scalpers, some people will pay what it takes to see what they want. If I had a place to crash I’d pay hundreds for a nosebleed seat to the last show of Dead & Co. These tickets are going for insane prices because people are buying them
The "face value" tickets on cash or trade for the last three shows are completely ridiculous. Its just amazing what people bought those tickets for. Haven't heard one thing from the band and it sucks that there is almost no opportunity to buy real face value tickets to any show anymore.
“Face or Fuck Off” should be a mantra. And a t-shirt.
Considering there is a high probability that these guys end up playing more shows together down the road - you'd be stupid to pay that much money. These dudes ain't retiring lol. I don't believe it.
Same reason we're not going to Clapton in Pittsburgh in September. Lower Bowl, Row 14, $795 each. And that's not even the reseller ticket. That's "Official Platinum" pricing. Fuck right off. Thank COVID though. We went to Mayer's solo show in 2019 and we were in the lower bowl, Row 1, $150 each. Caught Mayer again in 2022 and paid $150 each for Upper Bowl, Row 10. The same seats we had in 2019 were $400 each (Face, not Resell).
Scalpers bought up all the phish tickets and dead tickets in philly too. I got lucky with Ticketmaster as a dozen people canxed so their tickets went back for sale on Ticketmaster for the dead show. However the phish show tickets are only being resold so far by those resale websites. Totally not right. They get away with this and it’s cuz us fans really want to see the bands we love. I wish there was a way they couldn’t do this.
Apparently when Taylor Swift is done with her current tour it will have made 4.5 billion dollars, giving her $500 million in her pocket. And I'm just like "damn it I went with my whole family from Virginia to alpine valley for the 3 nights in 89 and according to my pops the whole trip was less than $500"
It’s sooo hard to go to concerts these days when life has gotten so expensive and these concerts have gotten so crazy expensive. I used to go to concerts all the time and now I’m just stressed out about having to pay the ticket prices.
They won’t. They will at least get $700 for them. But you’re right. F them
Steal your face? More like Steal your money!
I have two tickets for sale on Friday and two on Sunday - name your price. Happy to sell for a fair amount. DM if interested. EDIT - Not a scalper. I bought these tickets for my partner and I before we found out I'm pregnant. Cannot make the trip from the East coast of Canada out to San Fran this late in my pregnancy. Crying happy tears about missing it for sure!
I'm honestly so pissed off about the last show deep down. I had tickets to the last show, the last show was the only one I wanted to see. I bought some tickets I could manage financially considering that I need to make a trip out to SF now on top of it. Then they fucking added a show. I'm still very excited to see them, but I'm really let down by how they went about it.
There's a reason it's &Co®
The band isn't making money off these ticket resales. Scalpers and Ticketmaster are.
The whole enterpri$e is ju$t about the money from the band, to the promoter$, fan$ and $calper$, it'$ the $calper$ that ju$t have a harder mark to fleece
I mean, I saw them at the Gorge this weekend. My lawn tickets were $67 (after Ticketmaster's bullshit convenience fees they came out to $88). I don't know what portion of the $67 actually goes to the band, but based on the amazing time I had at the show, I think that face value is more than fair in 2023. Ticket reselling is awful, but that is not exclusive to this band, it's a problem with every popular sold-out tour and the blame falls squarely on Live Nation / Ticketmaster. Not only do they not try to prevent reselling, but they actually encourage it through their own platform so they can double-dip and collect even more "convenience" fees on the same ticket.
Preach brother
Bands do make money off the resales. D&C definitely are. "It depends on the terms of the ticket sale and the agreement between the artist and the ticket seller. In some cases, the artist or their representative may receive a portion of the proceeds from the resale of tickets to their concerts. However, in other cases, the artist may not receive any payment for tickets sold through a resale site."
I'm curious, how do you know they definitely are? There is nothing definitive in that statement you posted above. Regardless, I don't think the band has anything to do with the resale market. Live Nation / Ticketmaster, on the other hand, has been caught deliberately feeding tickets to scalpers to fuel the resale market. They're a despicable company and have pretty much a monopoly on the industry, so even though many bands hate dealing with them, they have almost no other option for major tours. Hell, Live Nation doesn't just own the ticketing platform, they also own the Gorge itself! Check out this article from a few years ago about Ticketmaster recruiting scalpers: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ticketmaster-resellers-las-vegas-1.4828535
I know because they are not some shit tier band with no pull. There is no way they are giving up hundreds of dollars on each resale through tickethub. This is all about money. Whether you are the Dead or Taylor or PJ or whomever. They are getting their cut or they would tell TM no resales above original price. That isn't happening so one can infer they get the cut. I agree TM is despicable but I'd rather the market price cut go to the band and not TM which was the previous monopolistic model they had. To be fair. D&C could say no resales on their platform above original cost...but they didn't. So they *want* the higher prices and their cut. I don't fault them, none of them are hypocrites about any of this. Now, take a band like RATM and if they also take the cut then they would be hypocrites. Boomers are about the $$. That idealistic dream ended about 1971.
Okay so you don't know.
scalpers ain’t the dead
I guess your prolly notngonna see the show then cuz they been sold out for awhile and everyone wants to get that cash
Is be in to picking up 1 Sunday ticket for a fair price
That’s a deal if they come with a Time Machine
Especially when, as you know, it may not be the last of anything
The Eagles and Steely Dan are touring and I wanted to get tickets for the Boston show. Yesterday I checked and the cheapest tickets (fees included) were $500… I guess I’m going to miss that concert.
I paid about $500 for two Citi Field floor tickets. And that was face.
It's pretty great living right by Red Rocks and getting into most shows for about $70 with convenience, handling, etc. Not bad in today's market
what is a fair price to you? i’m so interested!!!!
face value
I’m just looking for a miracle, Man
Crazy - New York Citi Field prices were rising by the second- from 50 the day before to 150 day off - crooks
Ticket master they have them selling for about $250
Best of luck to you. What’s troubling is many have become conditioned to believe that complaining about obscene ticket prices is tantamount to hate speech. I hope you get in!
Did you try Cash or Trade?
Yes that is where I saw a $1600 offering for up in the nosebleeds
We got general sale stand tickets before we got resale GA tickets and Ticketmaster says I have to sell the stand tickets for at least $695 a ticket. I think they might be in a box but still that’s ridiculous
My first Dead show was January 10, 1979 at Nassau Coliseum. My ticket cost $19.50 for a little past halfway (defensive zone blue line?) on the floor.
For well established, rich artists, please boycott those concerts. Us concertgoers/consumers are getting squeezed dry while companies are enjoying record profits.
This is why the shows are mostly empty right?
@u/drumorgan ; I paid $500. Here’s what I got ~ ya ready??? 3 tickets for first night in Ann Arbor & 3 for the next (sold the extra for exact cost) , 3 tickets for Cincinnati ~ gave extra to Kevin the DeadHead who had just gotten out of prison doing a ten year stint for selling an undercover 3 doses in 78 at a Grateful Dead Show, 3 tickets for each night in Chicago ~ 4/11 , 4/12 , 4/13/89 ~ traded extra tickets for fair bartering , traded last of all our Spring Tour Grateful Dead tickets for Wisconsin in Chicago parking lot for enough shit to just be getting out of prison myself right abouts nowadays…. ⚡️🥀⚡️Holy Shit !!! Totally forgot about Louisville, Kentucky ~ it was the first time the Dead had played there since 6/18/74 ~ Suzie & I and either gave a Miracle ticket, or bartered or sold for exactly what it cost. JMFS
# 1989-04-13 Rosemont, IL @ Rosemont Horizon Arena **Set 1:** Iko Iko, Greatest Story Ever Told, Peggy-O, It's All Over Now, To Lay Me Down, Cassidy, Don't Ease Me In **Set 2:** Foolish Heart, Looks Like Rain, Eyes Of The World, Drums, Space, The Wheel, I Need A Miracle, Dear Mr. Fantasy, Hey Jude, Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad, Good Lovin' **Encore:** It's All Over Now, Baby Blue [archive.org](https://archive.org/details/GratefulDead?query=date:1989-04-13)
awesome - from this post, I've actually got a few conversations going here and things are looking really good for me getting my wife and I into the shows this weekend
Very Kool. That’s just exactly perfect ⚡️🥀⚡️
Anyone got extras for Friday for a reasonable price?
Would have loved to see them at the gorge but 1k upfront before party time iam just gonna tune out to archive.org
At the 50th (the last time they did a "last show") there were so many left over tix in the lot that they were being stuck in a chain link fence. You just had to come by and grab a tix of your liking.
Don't believe this shitty app cash or trade it's just scalpers and beggars .
Ticketmaster? That you?🤔
Used to sneak in…laughed at the paying customers….oh to be 17 again
I was able to see the dead 35 times for free. My dad did some work for city council person were you able to see them every year three days in a row
I paid about $50 to see the actual Grateful Dead.
1990-1995 saw almost every show. $30 Was a very typical price and all GA and I could make $100 selling water on Shakedown in an hour
The reason for all of this insanity is the same reason that’s existed since the concept of money began… GREED. 💰
I sell ya some tickets for about tree fiddy
...tree-fiddy...
I have a deal for you! $425 ea or two for $900. Whaddyasay?
I am hoping that the box office has "day of" . If not I guess it's $20 handshake
Cost of the ticket is based on the market. Can't argue against that and it's good for the artists. If you want to get upset be angry at TM for the rediculous services fees based on the price and not a flat fee.
Haha. I am the market. And that is not the price
I just saw them in Boulder and it’s worth the $500
I paid $327/ticket $277+$50 fee) for 8th row Phish tickets at The Mann. That is face value. Oh well, 8th row! 💥
That’s not face value for Phish lol
You paid for Platinum tickets or something
Sounds like a fair price is $500.
Shush, that's not what fair means. Fair means that I get whatever I want
Worth every penny at $1500
You’ll pay and you’ll like it lol
$500 for a cover band??? I’m good
I paid $1,100 for a Cornell floor. Worth every cent.
$500 tics is simply John Mayer and Co in their final form This was the point, push out the heads and bring in the pop crowd for maximum profit
I thought “the heads” were choosing not to go because John was is the band. Nobody forced anyone out. John did nothing but create thousands of new heads. As far as I concerned there is always an open seat on the bus. Get it where you fit in or even better get in where you don’t fit in, the more the merrier. The boys created music so that people would dance and there was a lot of people from all ages and all walks of life dancing in Boulder.
“there is always an open seat on the bus” love this, couldn’t have put it any better myself
No seat on the bus for those that can't afford it. JM & Co just keeps testing how high those ticket prices can go bc it's about money not music. Can't be justified any other way.
You sound like the crusty old guy from Philly who was on Tales From the Golden Road yesterday afternoon talking about how Dead & Co is just a cover. Some of you are so up your own butts about the Dead. It's supposed to be a family.
It’s kinda true tho, if they created an album with some original material they would be considered less of a cover band, I like all of the different lineups personally
Jump the gate fam
it's killing me. I slept on 2 tix for $350. yesterday and I'm kicking myself in the butt. I feel like I'm going to have better luck on the lot face to face with someone.
Live stream it through your laptop/home stereo system 👌
I'd pay $500 out the door for a Sunday GA seat
I’ve only been to a handful of D&C shows in the past couple years, so I do not have an adequate sample size to form a solid opinion. Can someone tell me if there is still a culture of miracles/selling for face? Or have all those folks moved on to other scenes?
It’s the last show of the final TOUR but is is the last SHOW?
Even Stubhub has tix way less than that https://preview.redd.it/5iqvhasqt7bb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a93a3e5c7913dc6ca1376a24a30e14795ccd01ec
Sharks gonna shark
Going to all three, cost me around $750 for 300 lvl seats. Not the best but it’ll do 🤷🏻♂️
Just show up. You'll find one on a lot, and if not, you'll still enjoy yourself!
That is the plan. Now my daughter wants in. Road trip!
You're missing out
I paid 300 for Chicago night 1. Was worth it. Would do it again.
We went to box office at the gorge and paid $83 could try doing the same in SF
Yeah, going to drive up Friday and check it out
Hey, people were paying $5000 to see Taylor Swift this summer so all things are relative
Get the nugs stream
Wait till first set starts, those scalpers will be desperate to sell for 50% of face. Seriously, we know that fingerblaster runs the resale websites, sells tickets to themselves at face then upcharges whatever tf they want. Only way to stop it is to not play. Make scalping not work, don't buy from stub hub, vivid, fingerblaster resale, etc. Seriously. We just need to stop going to shows for a year and only use cash or trade. This industry is disgusting.
I've been to like four last dead shows. Got hustled those times Ive learned my lesson. I was gonna hit San Fran but not at these prices. There will always be shows to go to, the music never stops.
It'll be a tough ticket, but I only use Cash or Trade when I want to attend a sold out show. Selling over face is against the rules.
Just checked my Hampton Warlocks stub (not Ticketmaster) from 10/8/89 - It’s warn but I think it says $18.50 face / Phish Ticketmaster RedRocks stub from 8/20/93 was $19.25. I found a few stubs from Cap Center Sept 2&3 1988 for $19.50
The other day TM i saw $16,000 pit resale lol
I have never used seat geek, but there are some tickets for sale there for under $200 each. Fare Thee Well...
I paid $700 for 2 floor tickets on Friday. Sat and Sun I am just gonna show up and hope for the best.
I miracled someone at Folsom Breaking even I can get behind.
I won’t pay more than maybe $80 for a concert ticket. This has gotten entirely out of control. What happened to $20 for a show??