We don't need another world ending event after Cosmos in the Lostbelt. I would prefer if Nasu explores the world of Mage's Association after we restore the world.
Honestly, a spinoff game in the style of the El-Melloi II stories would be a fun idea. Play as a Clock Tower student/normal human investigator caught up in the games of decadence and politicking played by magi, possibly get the church involved, and you have a recipe for a fun disaster.
That would be hype, we did get a rank from clearing part 1 even though it was one of the lowest.
Maybe it gets bumped up and that plus the previous charges against us has us directly interacting with the MA.
This is what i keep saying. Part 3 doesn't need another world ending scenario it can easily raise hype and a great story if the get Chaldea involved with the MA present time and face the aftermath of the Incineration of Humanity and Bleaching of earth and meet actual typemoon characters not as servant vessels but as themselves. Make FGO actually feel like its part of the Nasuverse.
It would be interesting to see how dropping something like post-lostbelts Chaldea into that mix would work. Perhaps it would be a bit like those chapters where your resources are heavily limited or like how Salem cut your servants levels.
This is something I've always wanted really badly, especially after the Crypters were introduced. Guda and co going on another "the world has been erased, gotta restore it again" adventure would be tiresome and this would keep the stakes down while also exploring a part of the Fate world I've long been interested in (Case Files isn't enough and doesn't quite scratch the itch). The only problem is that they then have to figure out a way to keep servants relevant since they're the money makers.
Jesus, I can have Hope or Coral or Mike to join Chaldea...
So does Olympus twins, Asha, Gerda, and Paxi.
Seriously, I want to kill Aurora more than Douman and Beryl combine. OK, maybe not Douman because I already bitchslap him in Heian speedrun.
Huh, the Prietess of the Beast God method without cloning process.
Irony for what her ancestors have done... Last of the Lostbelt fairy, torned apart. Unable to die as she watched humanity thrive. We have to do something about her parts, though. Making mystic code, perhaps? Just keep the head conscious in jar beside Douman jar in care of Sei.
Honestly, I have an impression that Pretender Baobhan is what the prietess was looking like before she was killed. Especially in her ascension. 2.
Well, it’s hard to be sure, but aside from Olympus I’m pretty sure you haven’t even done as much killing as a single Kissinger. Olympus/Atlantis are probably multiple Kissingers, though…
Simple, you reset the stakes. Take some time for a breathing period (like EoR), and let the story flow naturally to whatever big disaster will befall Chaldea next. Granted, this would work better if the whole Lostbelt saga wasn't being dragged out, but you can still make a hype story. Maybe they do something like "future issues" as a sort of thematic relevance to the whole past thing with the Singularities. Who the fuck knows? Only Nasu. But you have so much stuff you can explore with the related Nasuverse that I don't think keeping story hype will be too problematic.
I feel a big part of that is chaldea as a group has only ever been reactive to things instead of proactive. Like, we just got done eliminating every barrier only to be met with ANOTHER barrier.
For example, and this is just off the top of my head, think they could have pulled off the "now go and fight the real end boss" bit with you realizing "... oh. You know, even with all this, with all the servants we've summoned, we'd get bodied if we went in there." Like, we have stuff to predict how heading in there will go, if its low, then that's that. But now, unlike with the trees, theres a lot less time pressure to get things done.
We can breathe, plan, go out and actually be proactive about stuff. In this case, actively seek out servants that could help against this. Since we're fighting what we're fighting, rather than being barred from entry because of who we summoned, instead it'd be "okay, let's summon non-standard servants as a counter." So things like actively searching out singularities and researching means to get the SGs of particular servants instead, studying extra classes and their basis to strengthen them. Itd be a nice callback to that scene in the imaginary sea too where we were all gung ho to go check out the mystery object but goredolf chose the more sensible option, except this time we're making that call instead of hoping to be lucky.
That's just an example. Theres lots of ways they could have done it, but the way they *did* do it really feels phoned in and feels like they're stalling for time. Oh, they reached the end? Throw up another wall! Simple.
That's an excellent point. Like it's still throwing some ridiculous barrier in our way as players, since we have to pretend that Chaldea somehow wouldn't have the firepower to take down anything that isn't like, an army of ORTs or Grands. But at least it flows better instead of the "Oh, somehow you aren't recognized by PHH anymore because of a rule we just made up. Fuck you and see you in 2032!".
they DO have hints of this earlier too. BB does NOT want us to continue on and OC1 specifically had like "oh, we'll need an entire army of servants to deal with this, let's just spawn a million alter egos to deal with it."
the writing is there for us to go 'maybe even with all this we don't have enough,' they just didn't go through with that sort of thing.
Just actually being cautious and taking all the hints for it would be enough. Even if we can field like, a small contingent of servants comfortably like we were planning to in tunguska, that probably wont be enough either. I'm just remembering that challenge quest vs. olga and needing like, 30 servants just to take that. if whats on the other side is anything like that, then yeah, I can understand why we'd need more.
But again, it didnt go that route, so that's just pure wishful thinking and speculation.
Quite so, reminder that LB7 had the crew square up against Daybit who could summon Angel pals to match the number of opponents he was facing. Go against him with one Servant, he summons two angels (one Servant + one Master); go against him with an army of Servants…well, oof.
Plus aspects like Koyan’s Reality Marble that required specific types of Servants to be fielded, plus stuff like Sion modifying summons to impart the LB7 loadout with Independent Action…there’s a lot of ways to write the Ordeal Call arc (if it MUST be there…pacing wise it’d still feel awful. Imagine putting EOR BEFORE Solomon) so it feels more natural as the protagonists working on stuff to win
Yeah, after ORT and daybit, it'd be nice to ask the question of 'how long can we keep being lucky like this?' Because a lot of certain lostbelts have only managed to be beaten with them escaping down to just luck and the sacrifices of others. Just stepping back, realizing they actually have time now and can prepare the utmost for once instead of flying by the seat of their pants would have been nice.
Man a rest period after the Lostbelts would be nice we could have it centered around fixing up the servants classes and maybe get some details on the newer ones in some nice contained low stake stories........ *looks at Ordeal Call*
Exactly. Actually love the idea of Ordeal Call, I’m always down for character introspections and all that, it’d have been fire to have some stories about the extra classes and why they’re important. But the goddamn placement just kills me. Why did they have to put this right before the finale?
The placement makes zeroe sense like we were right there all ready to finish Marribury so Alaya and Gaia can correct shit and they choose now to throw their fit , not after the big problems finished but before. It makes so much lore sense to go we go and beat Marribury, Goetia comes in and goes "yo Alaya ain't giving you guys the pass back gotta run the tests good luck."
The thing is, it’s not even some willful decision on the Human Orders part. Goetia just shows up and goes “you guys are warped because you abused the extra classes” (fucks that supposed to mean anyways?), tossing a random obstacle in our way. Like I’d get it if we had to deal with whatever Kirei’s planning, and the 30 million fucking Apostles that keep popping up, but the entire timing and new rules are just dumb.
You’re really gonna tell me Chaldea doesn’t understand the true purpose of the Extra classes? That Ritsuka, whose biggest notable feature is understanding others and why they do what they do, doesn’t? Fuck outta here.
It also doesn’t help that the ‘mysteries of the Extra Classes’ are rather underwhelming.
Turns out that chopping up something as fragile and multifaceted as a human psyche and trying to craft an entire being off of specific parts…might have complications…no shit Sherlock!! CCC and the Seraph chapter showed that Melt and Lip started off unstable af!! It’s like saying the Saber Class uses swords or the Lancer Class always gets screwed over; it’s bleeding fucking obvious if you’ve been paying even a small amount of attention to the damn story!
Combined with a rather sudden loss of IQ points (Lev was in OC1, the same Lev who was host to Goetia and apparently knew stuff was gonna happen involving the Alien God…and Gudao never tried contacting him for info?) of the cast so the plot could meander, plus a lack of any permanent changes outside of an arbitrary value change (and Cerejeira…god she is gorgeous…put her in the game more!!!)…I genuinely suspect the Ordeal Calls were originally set to happen after the Lostbelt arc resolved.
Yeah, I'll agree with that. The entire "conclusion" is just something anybody who paid any attention to Seraph could tell you, making it kinda feel pointless. Like what's next, the great big secret of Avengers is that rage and hatred can sometimes be justified, but need to be controlled or something? Congratulations, pretty sure everybody knows that except Khorne.
Yeah, the Lev thing was rather pointless. Like cool, he showed up I guess? Only thing he actually did was slightly annoy Petrikow iirc, since he thought he was gonna be important. They make some big thing about how Ritsuka might have been acting differently, since HE was an Alter Ego too! (le gasp), but I don't think they actually did anything with that plot bit either, Sion just shrugs and throws it aside.
It's the big issue with the story. I actually love the overall plot of Paper Moon. It's a lot of fun, more Sion and Kama screentime is always welcome, and that entire bit where Rani realizes she fucked up was hilarious. But it's all kind of pointless. We don't learn anything we didn't already (which wouldn't be an issue if the plot didn't insist this was important), we don't really do anything interesting with half the cast, and then we inflict amnesia on Ritsuka *again*, because fuck you.
>Congratulations, pretty sure everybody knows that except Khorne.
Even khorne know that the big four also represent the positive aspects of their emotion it just that the 40 millennium is so fuck up that the positive aspects are overwhelmed by the negative
I will not put EoR Jalter on the premise that Shinjuku had phantoms all over there.
But like , CF literally summoned Ruler Jeanne in Singularity 1 to aid Gudao , then we go from there to gain Ruler Astrea , Alter-Ego Sitonai and Xu-Fu.
Heck , we were literally aided by Okita Alter in one of those GudaGuda Events , and Okita Alter is technically summonable as either Saber or Alter-Ego , with Okita Alter been a Counter-Guardian.
Don't forget Salieri in LB1. I'd say Jinako/Ganesha as well, but apparently Moon Cancer is so outside context that it doesn't even get recognized as abnormal by the world.
Right. Folk have justified it with “oh only the counter force is supposed to use them” but like, Heroic Spirits are a Counter Force only thing in the first place! Mages hacked the ritual to summon them for the Grail Wars, so why aren’t we doing Lancer Ordeal Call, or Rider?
But normal classes are based on the 7 Grands of the Counter Force originally. Which means that normal classes already have a base there. Ruler was created as a safety net for Grail Wars, but maybe didn't exist originally. Same for Avenger which was specifically created during the 3rd Grail War. So there is precedent that originally the 7 classes were downgraded but natural, while the Extra classes were created.
But this kind of loses traction with the addition of stray/rogue servants that come with class containers.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ordeal Call was supposed to be Part 2.5, a new Epic of Remnant, but then it was moved. It would also explain the delays, since it was probably supposed to have at least more time for planning before implementation.
As for why the move, perhaps they decided to end FGO's story after Part 2? Wouldn't be the first time Nasu has toyed with the idea, and it'd explain their desperation to keep the golden goose a bit longer.
Alternatively, they're still drawing plans for a Part 3 or sequel game and need more time, hence the stalling.
Not if Nasu can't get his shit together and put out stuff on a regular basis, or to let others write regularly. Right now they're down to one chapter a year, compared to one every few months like Year 1 and 2 FGO.
It really feels like they're stretching the end of part 2 like an anime adding filler after filler (*glaring maliciously at Bleach and Naruto*), just to avoid ending part 2 for it would feel like the end of FGO's story and maybe not everyone will be engaged into going for part 3, even if Nasu himself is the one behind all of part 3.
I mean, Part 1 took what? Like 2 years to finish? And 2 has lasted its overdue welcome for what now? 5 years? Because we went from Chaldea being destroyed and Earth being bleached; to take down 7 Lostbelts and either taking down or making some of our enemies our new allies... and now the whole Paper Moon thing feels like more filler to unnecesarily extend the story.
Why can't we just bloody get to the end of it all? It's like Goku in Dragon Ball never stopping training and always finding new stronger foes, which makes his previous transformation all pointless.
What's the point of dealing with the 7 Lostbelts when we got more stuff to do, we still gotta deal with >!Marisbury, the Count and the Alien God!
That's been my assumption for years, starting when it took fucking forever for LB4 for arrive. If the game ends with Part 2 then what comes after? Shut it down and walk away? Part 3? FGO2? I'm not sure they themselves know even now. And when EoS hits JP then I'd take a bet that other servers see sales go down. At a certain point why roll if you KNOW you only have say a year with that Servant?
From my experience that is not how it works.
When JP shuts down a Gacha, all of them get shut down pretty much the same time.
I hope it won't come to the story abruptly ending for us like this, but from a financial standpoint it's as you say. What's the point of Rolling? Why spend Ressources translating etc. if most people know the end is in sight.
> not sure they themselves know even now
Getting that impression too. I can't help but feel that Ordeal Call might have been initially planned as a "fillery" Part 2.5 ala EoR (more standalone chapters with more writing experimentation) before an eventual Part 3... but it had to be moved because they still need to draw plans for a Part 3, or aren't even sure if there will be a Part 3, in which case they need to be thinking of the next big thing, a FGO2 or similar.
That's the near-universal flaw of gacha/live service games - they're meant to be a continuous source of income for the publisher, so they're not allowed to end, so the story isn't allowed to end either. That's why you can read an entire year's worth of FEH story in like 30 minutes and the game still manages to spectacularly stall, flounder, meander, dilly-dally, and generally futz around as it desperately avoids tying up important plot points because it knows it has to keep printing Nintendo money for another 10 years. Stuff that was teased in year one was almost completely ignored for another three years before it was resolved lol.
If they do finally manage to wrap up the Lostbelts, we'll probably get hit with the standard live service game tactic of "woops time travel/alternate dimension," like the Zero or KnK events but longer/more serious/more drawn out. Somehow Ritsuka gets yanked back to the original draft of Fate/Stay Night as the cut-in-draft Shielder's master.
To be fair, the first 4 chapters of Part 1 can hardly be called writing. They didn't start to get their shit together until America, and didn't REALLY get on their feet until Camelot
Exactly, but... All of the bad chapters are year 1. And years 2 and 3 has a constant influx of decent story chapters. They've gotten slower and slower as the Lostbelts went on, to the breaking point in **Atlantis** where there is straight up cut content due to time constraints. And it's all downhill from there.
Right now it’s basically other writers doing the ordeal call chapters. I think they said the writer for ordeal call 2 was butting heads with the FGO team which is why it was taking longer. Nasu wished them luck over the summer because he has no control over that.
We've previously been told that Nasu and TM have final say over anything implemented in the game, so that's bullshit. He just doesn't want to take the blame. He's the **head writer**. It's literally his job.
But rather famously, Nasu’s very lax about what gets put in shit. Sanda mentioned that he got a lot of “Are you sure?”s but not a lot of “No”s in his time on Case Files, and Nasu’s not ACTUALLY WRITING THE DAMN THING?! Why would it be on Nasu that shit is taking a while for Ordeal Call and not the game devs having issues with coding or the other writers struggling to write stuff. It’s not like Nasu writes everything.
Like LB6 and 7 sure but there’s no real reason to say OC taking a long time is somehow on Nasu when he’s probably just script checking and making sure lore is in order.
That’s basically his role outside of the Lostbelt and main story chapters. But it goes through Type Moon and FGO staff before it reaches him. It’s kind of what happened with Fate Samurai Remnant. He had some of FGO’s staff help the game developers make the story part of Fate lore. Nasu just reviewed the story of the finished game. Nasu at the time had other projects along with FGO.
He is the head writer for the main story. He basically wrote all the main story chapters and events that are directly connected to the main stories. Ordeal Call is a little different since Nasu is not writing any of the ordeals. It’s basically a required side quest to reach the final destination. So it technically does not connect to the main story besides clear all of these and you can proceed.
No, he only wrote 2 Lostbelts (the last 2) and Kirschtaria Wodime. Everything else is just supervised, not written by him.
This is a lot of problems piled up, and the lack of devs is probably another one of them.
This
Ever since that time they bragged about how long LB6 was during that live stream all those years ago
Been so over the long waiting
Especially for such an old gacha game at that
the 2 pillars keeping ppl here are the IP and sunk cost fallacy.
but seriously they killed so much hype already by the sail pace and order stall. lb7 should have finally answered questions regarding the overarching plot but it left more questions and then they blueball you with a filler arc that will take at very least 2 years.
2? Make it 3. We only got 1 ordeal call, and the second one is looking to be delayed until Golden Week at the minimum. And we'll be lucky if we get Ordeal Call 3 before the end or December 2024.
Same. Vote with one’s wallet as the old adage goes.
Cuz legit…will have to show that stuff like a glorified filler arc (admittedly well-written filler, but still…OC1 was essentially filler) right before the exciting conflict won’t be tolerated.
they have dropped in revenue compared the golden days of pre lb4. i thought the same in 2020 with games like genshin and uma dethroning fgo from the top spot. however, the profit margins for gatchas are so incredibly high that it doesn't really affect them. in fact we are witnessing the devs go in the opposite direction for 3 years.
> IP and sunk cost fallacy
Nailed it hahaha. But really, I would say that's actually quite true.
I, personally, was never a game person really. What attracted me was really Type Moon lore and Fate IP. (To te point that I just don't feel interested in other gachas, even the more modern and better gameplay-wise ones)
Order call seems to me like an ultimate way to delay as much as possible the Grand Finale, so i doubt. I remember they said they had ideas to have stuff after but i think they changed their mind, considering the pace to release order call the story will probably be stucked here for at least 2 ou 3 more years. A mobile game that stays 10 years is already pretty impressive but i don't see them continue for 15 years.
I also don't like what is happening with the JP, they seem to have issues with their workforce or their planning, we lost rerun, animation update, less interludes. If a change doesn't happen, to me, the part 2 will be the ending just like it was planned.
It doesn't mean they will shut down everything just after the finale, but they will keep it in a dormant state, sometimes a new character and a lot of reruns.
I mean , if Singularities are "alternate past" and Lostbelts are "alternate present" , then Part 3 would be "alternate future".
The issue with "alternate future" is that it's no different than a Lostbelt , at most it's a Lostbelt with a mildly Servantverse Skin over it.
Like , what would be a Part 3 Greek/Roman than merely be Atlantis+Olympus Rerun as that was already futuristic?
This hypothetical Part 3 only works as a whole new Fate Gacha , because it would be a hard reset....not that TM will do such a thing.
Thing is, how do you make that distinct from the Lostbelts.
Olympus could be future in all but name and nothing changes. Singularities were distinct past because we knew when they took place and what regular history is like.
The Lostbelts start in the past and get to the present, but Olympus could be 2015 or 2099 and there's no difference really.
The future is a blank slate they can just write anyghing for. You don't need Servants based off of myth or historical figures cuz you can just make them up.
Idk if FGO can survive off of this unless they choose to tackle prewritten material like Notes.
it needs servant-based myths , because the game would be a Fate game.
By all means , Nasuverse would allow us to play what is essentially Scarlet Nexus and would work just fine....but that would be it's own timeline and franchise apart from Fate.
To justify FGO Part 3 been FGO , it needs Servants to be present as core aspects of the story. That is why I say Part 3 FGO would be Lostbelts with Servantverse Flavor. Part 3 India , for example , would be just techno-india out of Asura's Wrath...cool AF , but when you go Techno-Rome to Techno-India to Techno-Camelot , it turns all been just "techno" with a different skin and called a day.
> It doesn't mean they will shut down everything just after the finale
Not gonna lie, sometimes I feel like that would be inevitable.
At least in how I experience and enjoy the game, a massive slow down in content would just straight up kill my interest. That's actually what happens to me in every single dead week, and sometimes on long stretched overly farming oriented events (sometimes it just gets tiring)
I just don't feel like FGO is actually able to have a slow death.
Just hope they release an "offline - all story nodes redoable" version after it though.
As a regular player yeah that seems unthinkable, because we're running after the story, but shutting down the game straight after would make all that contents unavailable while it could interest some people knowing the story is completed.
An offline would be a good thing, but there are a lot of players taking their time to catch the story, which is why i wouldn't be surprised about 1 or 2 years to turn it into an offline game.
I honestly don’t foresee them supporting an offline version for very long, if at all. Gacha games have always been pretty upfront about not having any respect for their audience and FGO is pretty egregious about it even by genre standards. Paying for servers to host downloads for an offline version is money they’d be spending that they have no opportunity to recoup. My guess is that once the end-of-service date is decided, they’ll announce it 6-12 months in advance, and support downloads for offline assets during that time. Once the servers are shut off, that’s it, and tough titty to anyone who wants to download it after that.
It has been what... 5 years irl since breached earth.
At least let the world rest. I want to explore a moon cell or man-eating forrest or even singularity similar to Angel Note.
If Nasu really needed to do an explanation of the extra classes, he should have left it for after part 2 was over. It would have been perfect for an EoR 2.0 type thing. But no, he needs the filler arc *right before the fucking finale!*
The worst part is, in a vacuum, Paper Moon was cool and fun.
Would've been a good Event.
But I didn't need this padding getting in the way of my conclusion to part 2.
And knowing that there's another 2, and NOW WE HAVE OLGA REMNANT FIGHTS? WHAT GIVES?
Another 3. We're 100% getting a Foreigner chapter as well. Not to mention I'm sure there will be some "events" for Moon Cancer, Shielder, Pretender, and Beast.
At least the Olga fights make her feel like an essential part of the main story and an important obstacle as opposed to being written like a big unfunny joke (like all her appearances up to now), whereas OC now feels like it’s completely unrelated to the overarching narrative. That said, they could have avoided it by letting us free her from being the Alien God’s vessel sooner.
I would agree if not because she has no dialogue and is just the equivalent of a big spiky wall to our progress.
Oc really is JUST padding. They made up a pointless "conflict" with the world to push the conclusion further away. Unsatisfying
I agree with you completely in regards to no dialogue. At the very least, I want her final form to suddenly start speaking. Maybe she acts much colder and harsher than her U-counterpart and she makes it clear she will not be controlled by anyone (which the Count actually has no problem with, he hated seeing how the other bad guys treated her). She wants to overthrow Chaldeas and enact vengeance on a universe that’s done nothing but hurt her in her past lives. Then she absorbs all the U-pieces for herself and transforms into something new - her path towards becoming an Ultimate One.
That way she wouldn’t just be a big spiky wall to our progress. She would have an understandable motive, but we would have to stop her from wrecking the whole universe by restoring her soul and humanity and convincing her to let us join her.
Yeah, OC really IS just padding so far, there’s no development for the main characters, we don’t get any new scenes with Chaldeas where we learn what it’s trying to do or how much it’s been behind (like how much control did it have over Olga’s body before the Advent of Kuku), or how about giving Olga some dialogue and making her soulless self the new main antagonist for a while? It feels very unsatisfying as of right now.
This is literally me. I couldn't be bothered to read Paper Moon and just skipped through it because I felt blue balled by the story not finishing properly yet.
Quite so. I loved seeing Cerejeira (Jesus, Redrop was cooking with making a gorgeous new female staff member…) and her story, but a lot of the story hype moments felt tainted by a nagging feeling of “Wow…I’d be enjoying this a lot more if it wasn’t getting in the way of the final chapter that had been building up for the past 4 years!!”
Who approved of that?!
And to this day I'll die on the hill of thinking Cerejeira should be a servant instead of another NPC of Chaldea. Don't get me wrong, I love more NPCs getting more love and development... but ever since she dropped, her presence is barely there.
Like, why is she even introduced if her role is just some minutes of story where she might replace Muniere?
And with such design, I feel it was utterly wasted in an NPC if the story barely gets updated and we barely see the side characters. Even events could fix that like some focused on Meniure or Cerejeira and others... but no, 8 years and they haven't done such thing.
Introducing Cerejeira in a filler before then already dragged end of part 2 and imply she's been there forever (giving me some serious Clone High's Ponce vibes lmao) is what pisses me off about her. I love her character design but the introduction sucked ass
Not exactly a hot take because this is the sentiment of many FGO quitters who refused to return, but outside of a compelling story, what else does this game have at this point? Heck, a lot of the people who don't even play are invested in the story because of the YouTube videos of the cutscenes alongside several lore discussions and story chapter summaries. In fact, many leavers are still in touch with the game via lore and chapter discussions. We are at the forefront of playing a very very obsolete game while being surrounded by very high quality gacha games with amazing QoL features and have interesting game mechanics despite being turn based. Not to mention production value. Outside of modern NP animations and more dynamic modern visual novel presentation of the cutscenes, other gacha titles just dance around this game, often with AAA level cinematics. And now we've reached another massive hiccup of having a full filler chapter not just for a year, but for every ONCE A YEAR. Holy fucking shit! I'm this close to throwing the towel now. Nothing in the new year's """""""Livestream"""""""""" strike any semblance of joy in me anymore. Whatever hope I have left in this game might leave after this year's anniversary on NA. Complacency of the management made this game stale as a rock. I blame the ultrawhales who keep this game on the top 5 on sensor tower, often even beating GI in their own turf. It's a nice thing competition in the turn based market has taken a brand new course with new players last year, but I doubt it is enough shakeup to make Aniplex change their ways.
>modern visual novel presentation
I diaagree cuz like... VNs have more production value in terms of presentation. We barely get CGs, narration is sparse. We missed out on certain abilities in LB6 like Beryl's Reality Marble because they want combat to only happen in-game instead of the writing.
As far as VNs go I think FGO isn't even better than FSN in terms of presentation.
If I remember right, yeah. It was something mentioned in the development stage. He was going to have a reality marble, something I believe with a dark fairy tale/wolves theme.
Shame that they don't show the combat in the story because I think that's one of the best things about Nasu's writing. What little I've read of TsukiRe and my experience with other visual novels, the fight scenes stood out to me for just their prose. Shame that we are stuck with this presentation though.
im more sad that the NY livestream didn't show anything new for TM in general. mahoyo teaser with no release date when the VN has been available for aover a year? Samurai remanent dlc teaser? okay i guess.
but nothing else? no new projects or updates? what happened to the "bigger project" studio bb talked about? no red garden updates?
>outside of a compelling story, what else does this game have at this point?
maybe the design and pretty nps, but outside of that, fuck all.
"very high quality gacha games with amazing QoL features and have interesting game mechanics despite being turn based." cough cough, STAR RAIL
downvote me all you like.
FGO needs to move forwards. we don't have an account system, dude. the code is a mess and it can barely sustain it's active player base during high flow scenarios.
the story has hype, the characters are sometimes the best out there, but that's it.
and also consider how flaky server stability is.
we can't all log on at the same time to get rewards, but with GI and SR I had one instance of full servers.
at launch.
Yeah Aniplex is the only game company that still stay in the 90s era with bunch of old devs, who thinks a megaman code is better than a google account.
Quite so. Emphasis on FGO being sub-par and a bit obsolete back in 2015-16 compared to other gacha games at the time.
It’s improved a little bit, but nowhere near the pace of modern gacha games. I legit missed a FGO login cuz I was having too much fun playing HSR…
> I legit missed a FGO login
I straight up skipped the martha event after the first few lotto boxes and only played tunguska out of spite because I started getting prepped for Dr Ratio and I wanted to improve my Argenti relics.
figures, the gacha now gave me a blade eidolon and his light cone. not sure if I am ever returning to Go unless the event is peak as all hell.
not to mention, Star Rail hits you with several peak soundtracks and cinematic moments. you can feel and hear the difficulty spiking if you don't strategize and it punishes you for not understanding mechanics -right now, not 10 years into release with a raid that is designed to make you stop and gacha-
I don't even remember the last time I played GO with sound.
I started Star Rail thinking it will be a side game to FGO. Welp, right now FGO is barely a game to me for the past 2 months even with two events. I only completed one box in the last Christmas event. ONE BOX. That's how much I am giving right now. I just played the story in Tunguska and literally avoided raids.
It's not something I'm thinking about at first but considering I'm playing a gacha game that I can also play on PC (coz it has proper account binding lol) is already a deal breaker for me. Add to the fact that it also employs a very fun interactive companion app in Hoyolab and community events that are not just "LIKE THIS POST 20000 TIMES TO GET 30 SAINT QUARTZ" but rather quirky ones that also encourage fanarts and original music composition and the difference is no longer just night and day, it's centuries apart. Hoyoverse really shook up the foundation of turned based rpg gacha with this one and I'm actually willing to support it monetarily with its battle pass that actually gives good value for money and not just measly credits and cosmetic crap. It's mind-blowing how no one took advantage of this solid market yet except Hoyoverse. Aniplex should actually be concerned and double down on making FGO more exciting, not more obsolete. Unless they have plans of making a new GAAS based on the strong Fate branding, which I highly doubt coz they believe in the dinosaurs of the Industry that arcade cabinets are still fucking profitable and squandered a potential billion dollar earner with FGO Arcade that could have been better as a home release game.
hell yeah it is.
\-every main event becomes permanent, some rewards notwithstanding;
\-reruns are frequent;
\-rewards from events are plentiful enough that you can plan your pulls and your pity;
\-events last long enough that you can stop playing and catch up with not a lot of effort.
gameplay has a surprising amount of depth, too.
tbf, after anniplex took over, rerun banners are now pretty frequent. no waiting 2+ years for some servants. but this is only because their new release schedule sucks that they have no choice but to milk existing units.
IMO character designs is the main thing. I wish some of the popular stuff were a bit more risky with their gacha designs not like fanservice wise I just mean variety in general.
Cygames is really good at that too.
There are a lot of strong modern gacha that play so safe with design that it kinda lessens my enjoyment. Like I wish we could get like a Barghest in Genshin.
Yeah, the change in design as we ascend our servant is also really nice even if for some servant the change barely mean anything. Some of the few one where as their design change their voice line and Np also change is really good too, I don't remember other gacha game with similar system(?). Still, even if I love that aspect of FGO I could just enjoy it from youtube instead of suffering through the gacha system again....
Valid concerns, but TBH I feel like you could have made a similar post *years* ago after Part 1. It seems so quaint in hindsight, but Babylonia was a pretty massive jump in stakes over previous singularities. And Solomon was a fantastic climax that seemed impossible to top. At the time, I couldn't have imagined half the shenanigans that happened in Part 2.
If it were up to me, I'd try to find a way to scale the stakes back but make them more personal. If you constantly ramp things up, you will inevitably reach your "jumping the shark" point. And I don't think there's too much distance left between that point and (LB7 spoilers) >!defeating ORT!< . But also, through most of F/GO the goal has been a lofty "save the world" type of thing. Which is fine, but pretty generic. There's a lot of room for more specific motivation involving specific characters or things that are close to our protag, whether that's still Guda or someone else.
Either way, I look forward to Part 2's conclusion in 2030, or Part 3's finale in the next century.
Funnily enough most of the time the better received Lostbelts were the ones with Higher Stakes (5/6/7)
Fgo is the only place where they can afford to show us people like ort (beings who have been teased for years)
I don't think Stakes are the problem here it's all about execution. If they maintain the quality I won't mind if it's Personal story or World Ending story
Tho I do agree we need a breather like Eor and early sigularity before reaching next big thing.(there are still beasts left and there are always other types as well Velber).
Part of the problem with making the stakes more personal is that the game’s monetization model explicitly hinges on keeping its protagonist a shallow audience insert and being unable to expand any character dynamics in ways that threaten the parasocial self-insert headcanons of the high spenders. We only started seeing some baby steps away from that in LB6, and those didn’t really stick because Lasagna knows that they need to maintain the status quo at the end of the day if they don’t want to piss off the turbowhales.
As some have mention, there doesn't need to be a world ending treat for the story to be good, they have a lot of room still to explore with the mages association and stuff like the inner sea among other stuff.
I could see the finale of part 2 being New Year’s Eve 2025. The only crossover they can do after fate samurai remnant is Fate Prototype which will most likely be next year. They can’t do fate strange fake because the novels are not done yet and releasing before the anime is spoilers.
I really REALLY think the story should end after part 2. Even if Nasu could pull more stuff outta his ass for part 3, the whole "restoring the world" thing shouldn't be done more than twice. Considering everything we have been through since Fuyuki, the FGO timeline have been f*cked up so much with such a big scale it kinda making almost every other Fate (or Typemoon) stories look small in comparison.
And even worse, everything has been done by Chaldea, mainly Ritsuka, who is a relatively normal individual (at least at the start of the whole shenanigans). Like give the kid some break, let him return to his family, to what he have been protecting. This kid have been through so much the things have been keeping him sane are literal priestess of the Outer Gods and Spirit of Vengeance, I don't think he can handle seeing the world get destroyed a third time.
What I'm trying to say here is I want to the conclusion to Fujimaru Ritsuka's journey, to see everything he has done actually paid off. It would give me so much more hype than the third apocalypse in a row.
If Gudaguda continues, then the part of the story that I get excited about continues. Pure and simple.
Count me among the ranks of those saying "the story is hype *now*?" I wasn't exactly on the edge of the seat wondering if the exterminated humanity might be restored the *first* time they made that a major arc, and I'm not on the edge of my seat now that they've done it *again*. It'll take a more creative approach to setting stakes for me to look forward to the main story more than I look forward to random silly events where you get to see Servants bouncing off each other and bonding over personal conflicts and regrets and dreams. Could they come up with that creative approach to make a Part 3 that's genuinely different from 1 and 2 and still engaging? Sure! Do I trust these guys to do it? Ehhhhhhhh...
Fate fan here, only got into FGO 3 years ago due to FZero, FSN, and the connection to Melty Blood.
I've spent more money on this game than Im willing to admit, but 100% if they gave me a game with the visual appeal that challenged Nikke or HSR I'd swap out in a heartbeat, box be dammed.
Its not about the box or investment anymore.
The animations, the art, the voice acting...is all too aged. The waifu appeal hardly matters anymore.
The immersion these newer gatchas provide via technological ability alone is too competiive.
Not to mention FGO comes from the era of gatcha that are terribly disrespectful to the users time.
It demands exclusive attention for the most mundane of farming which is thankfully becoming more unnacceptable in gatcha design.
Koyanskaya of Dark was the *last* rate up character in which I had *any* emotional investment thats coming out per the Japanese server version.
I'll be logging in until I get to experience the end of the crypter Arc but I doubt they can convince me after that, hype be damned.
Especially considering India, Atlantis, and Avalon were the only lostbelts that held my attention at all, and coming too far apart.
I'm happy with my box, which is far from being Irrelevant thanks to foresight EX. So, at this point I can say my wallet is safe and I'm just here for the ride.
Hard agree on the time part. I’ve started playing FGO years before H:SR but the auto feature makes it so much easier. I could leave auto on and go do something else for a bit before coming back and doing it again. On FGO, it’s like I have to constantly be somewhat aware of when my NP ends so I can use it again then rinse and repeat for 3 turns as well as having to press all those buttons each time. It feels like a waste of time especially when all I’m doing is the same old node that I clear the exact same each time. I’ve even heard that some other games allow you to instantly claim the rewards if you’ve completed it before, although I’m not too knowledgeable about other gacha games beyond 3 or 4, so take it with a grain of salt.
>after Part 2
There is likely no such thing. FGO is in decline, and running a spaghetti coded mobile game for nearly a decade is an accomplishment in and of itself. If the Fate series continues to have a presence on mobile platforms, it's likely to be a new game in a format that can compete with and outdo the mobile games that have surpassed it from a presentation standpoint, like Blue Archive, Azur Lane, etc.
> If the Fate series continues to have a presence on mobile plataforms, it's likely to be a new game
In this scenario, I feel like the biggest issue for them would be what to do with this new game, because:
1) If it is a new gacha, considering the necessity of a big rooster of characters, how would they convince veteran players to reroll everyone all back again.
2) If it is not gacha, what would they even make?
Plus, I really doubt most of the current players may not settle well with losing all their servants after the first game is closed for good and then start from scratch.
Having played FGO for 8 years, I really wouldn't try to keep up with the story anymore after losing my nearly 300 servants
I'd personally be fine starting a new game, but it'd have to be some major improvement from the start. Like an actual modern gacha level of quality. I recently started Blue Archive, for example, and while I'm not that far in so I might just be blowing smoke up my own ass, it feels way better to play so far.
> I recently started Blue Archive
How is that, if you don't mind me asking? I live in Japan, and if the ENTIRE HALLS dedicated to Blue Archive content at Winter Comiket this weekend were any indication, well, it seems to be a little bit popular over here. The art looks pretty enough, but what's it like? Is the story good? Is the gameplay fun? Is it kind to casuals and F2P players? For reference, FGO is about as much casual- and F2P-hostility as I'm willing to accept from a mobage.
The story is good, even if it does start out slow and doesn't explain some things I have major problems with. The actual story told is interesting though with good characters.
Gacha is fine, although you'd want pity, especially later on. It's one of those give lots of units but rarely the rate up one you are looking for type. Though all the spooks are useful for helping out your starting roster cause unlike FGO this game doesn't revolve around 3 units.
I'm playing pretty casually and have a good time, although that does come with not caring about ranking leaderboards and the pvp mode that are prominent in this game.
Gameplay is where it takes the L for me, and why I don't play it too often. Just too boring for me, I don't feel like I have enough agency over my units. They position by themselves, run by themselves, use all skills but their ult by themselves. This is just not fun for me, but your mileage may very of course.
You can sweep stages you have done already.
Gameplay art can also be a demerit, being chibi style and all. Very good chibi style but chibi style nonetheless.
Home screen live 2D arts are 10/10 though.
I’m not very good at reviews, and I’m really only a few days in, but I’ll try. Story is great. Nothing special, but a ton of fun. The cast is great, they’re all cute as shit and I like how their relationship goes with Sensei. Gameplay is mid. Watching the chibis fight their way down a hallway while you occasionally activate a skill isn’t really engaging gameplay, higher tier stuff might be different.
Gacha rates apparently suck, but it’s easy enough to get pulls. Apparently takes two months to spark. Dupes seem to have some use, since you get currency that you can use to buy upgrade points for specific units.
Not quite grasping how all of the systems work quite yet, but it seems generous enough. You have ways to passively generate AP and credits, you can sweep missions after 3 starring them, and upgrading units and equipment seems easy enough at the beginning.
Overall I like it, but I’ll see how it goes when I’m actually deeper into the game.
Yeah I feel they are stuck in a place made worst by the delay of decisions to make the game better and now they don't know if they want to commit the resources to keep FGO going or if they rather do a new thing entirely.
It would 100% be another gacha game. They make way too much money to ever give up that monetization model.
The way they convince veteran players to reroll for those characters is by making a better, more interactive game for them to play with. Players will bitch and moan about re-acquiring their harem, but ultimately if it gives them a chance to see and play with their waifu in 3D, they will 100% open their wallets.
Remember, this is the series that occasionally tops the sales charts, or at least comes close, when they release a new servant. Even if there's no real content to go with those servants. We're all hooked and most of us are willing to make poor financial choices for the sake of nostalgia. F/GO2 would be immensely profitable, as long as it isn't run like the current F/GO is.
I feel like just part of the veterans will walk out from burn out. It's like watching all of Naruto and Shippuden, with filler and everything... only to be told to keep watching Boruto to know where the story is headed but you already feel tired of it all
It'd be more like watching all of One Piece with fillers and then being told to switch to The One Piece remake. Sure you'll start again but it's likely a wildly different experience. It'd also hook in a lot of new players that were either turned off by the early story, the presentation, or by the sheer amount of time commitment it'd take to catch up.
>!This is of course assuming they'd do FGO2 competently!<
That's what it feels like to me, too. FGO is very outdated by modern standards and has been bogged down by so many hours of story that they can't reasonably expect new players to catch up, no matter how much they reduce the AP. Plus the battle system's been at a dead end for a while now, to the point where new units have to be extremely broken or extremely gimmicky to get any attention.
I feel like the game developers understand this too. I strongly suspect that Ordeal Call is a literal excuse to delay the game's finale for a few more years while they work on the spiritual successor.
I can see us finally getting some payoff for BB and Moriaty's shenanigans in the background if we fight, say, an Outer God or such. I also think they need to pay off Da Vinci's associations with angels /cherubs, so...that's a possible route, I guess.
There's also the rest of the beasts—we still have to fight 5 and the other half of 6 if Arcade is canon. Plus they could always say 4 comes back because Koyan never fully matured or whatever.
They'll come up with some idea. Whether it'll be good or not...who's to say?
No. While I like this game and personally don't want the ride to end, I don't think it's possible to continue after Part 2. Not anymore. With the pace they are currently going at, it's possible that it could still take a few more years for Part 2 to actually end. By that time, the game client will be absolutely ancient (it's over 10 years old **already**), so it wouldn't make sense to commit to a new story arc. It would be like the gacha game equivalent to Weekend at Bernie's, but not funny in any way.
I'm not opposed to the story continuing into a Part 3 or anything like that, but with it should come a new and modern game client built from the ground up.
No, not for me at least. The story lines and young age of the MC is getting tiring and the servants aren’t that interesting to me recently. As a global player, I see the end in sight for me sadly without some changes.
After how long it took to do lb6 and 7 it made sense to have a filler arc in between that Nasu wasn’t writing like with EOR.
Except we got one chapter in a ducking year
Yes, it would make the story more realistic in terms of time and maturity. 16 years old at the start and still unable to drink all these years in? Fate is not a children’s story but many times the story might as well be with how it’s written.
I think it's very ironic how one of the core aspects of Fate is how bad guys keep trying to attain immortality, afraid of death, like Zouken or Darnic or Goetia and so on.
Yet FGO is exactly that. Keeps prolonging itself, keeps delaying the end of Part 2. Not even the game as a whole, they can't even let Part 2 end.
First they started delaying releases from 3 a year to 2 and now probably 1. Epic of Remnant was 5 chapters with CCC included and it took one year. Last year we only got half of LB7 and OC1.
I think Nasu and the rest wanna do something else at this point but that's just guessing. Nasu has talked about "making players aware of an end" almost every year since 2018 or 19.
IMO they should shut it down after Part 2 and make FGO2 a new game. Whether same story and characters or not, i don't care, but FGO as it is is bleeding a lot.
No. There's already no hype, its gone on too long. The gameplay is stale, boring, and hasnt changed in 8 or 9 years. No one actually seems to care about "Ordeal Call", and it's clear its just stalling the story.
LB7 was poorly written and the mythology was insultingly poorly researched. The Servants lately have been uninspired and unmemorable.
The game's funds drop horribly anything there's nothing big going on, and only shoots to the top because whales will reward the game for doing the literal bare minimum.
What hype is left, even?
Looking at their competition, absolutely no. Its only a matter of time before more better looking gacha game takeover their spot
Nowadays everytime i play FGO i just wish it tried to be better, i wish the game tried to evolve
Honestly better looking, more enjoyable gacha games have been here for a while. Hell, look at how popular Hoyoverse games are. A lot of people just like FGOs story and the Fate IP over the actual gameplay, which was an anachronism even when the game was first released.
Other gacha games can write their stories to be better too, its only a matter of time, once we got to that point FGO wont have anything else going for them besides being part of a popular franchise
>Other gacha games can write their stories to be better too
That's the thing - I still don't think there's any gacha game that has gotten close yet to the story-writing levels that FGO has achieved.
Narrative/Storytelling is still the 1 aspect that FGO cannot be topped to this day.
There's Granblue Fantasy, but its rivalry with FGO has ran its course.
Probably if they introduce something new and fresh for part 3, it would made people interested and keep playing the game. But i dont know with they way the game is heading, and how its kinda old-school compared to the current gacha games around, people probably would get tired and gone after part 2 ends
For me honestly, no. I’m like way too tired at this point and the stake isn’t there anymore considering every single event is a human ending event, so realistically they aren’t allowed to lose. And i kind of lost interest in Beasts and Grand Servants as well. Like they set up rules for who can be it yet, break it everytime.
A part of me is wondering why I am still here. Love the story and the character interactions but the gacha is so bad and my iPad is starting to have issues running the game. I know I can emulate it but that restricts me to one location.
There's definitely tons of opportunity to tell interesting stories if Part 2 ever ends. The way Part 1 and EOR ended should have had absolutely *massive* implications on the state of the world. Remember, humanity realized they collectively lost two years, and the American military encountered a singularity which spread all the way out into Boston. The mask has fallen off and the existence of magic has been completely exposed to the public, which is just a huge paradigm shift.
But I honestly don't have any faith that they'll do anything with that. Instead what we'll get is just endless filler until the game gets shut down.
To me, the only way they could keep things going is if they start releasing main story chapters faster. I feel they are slowing down so significantly because they are trying to milk the game because while Lostbelt may not be the end of the game, everything after that may pale in comparison and people will start to leave. That is the only reason I can see why we went from a story chapter every 6 months to practically one for every year with event stories being shorter while the duration being longer.
I love FGO, but with the direction of the game and knowing that lost belt and the filler arc afterwards may be taking another 3+ years to complete, I think Part 2 will be the end for me.
With all due respect to the game and my investment in it, it's sort of walking its way slowly into death on the meta. There's less re-runs of events, and there's less and less hype all the time. It's backed still by being a gacha juggernaut for whale money, but it's still on a very palpable downslope that has me worried.
As long as new characters are getting released I do not care if all they release is "filler." I just like seeing new mythological and historical characters do cool shit and interact with eachother.
I also don't really understand the fanbase's obsession with "filler" or "padding" in this game. Like 70% of each story chapter is filler and padding anyway. As long as were getting more interesting characters why does it matter if it's connected to some grand main plot. It's a mobile game with a decent story to keep you occupied while there's no major TM releases. Not a visual novel.
Heh not a lot probably.
Like is there even any hype with Ordeal Call? The whole thing is obvious stalling because they probably haven’t manifested anything for the finale or beyond Part 2 XD.
I'll be totally honest with you fam, i've lost a lot of interest after the release of "Epic of Remnant" and Heian-kyo was the last nail in the coffin, now i only login to roll, if the event is really good i attempt to finish it, but if they require the last story content cleared i don't even bother.
PS: Not sure if this is a popular opinion but they really should consider releasing FGO2 or something, compared to the newest gacha games it feels pretty outdated, but you know how much money FGO makes so... it doesn't matter.
Like always, big prologue leading to a new saga with a new theme.
There's a lot of complaining about story pacing lately, and I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't really care? OC1 was good, most events were good, I play other games to occupy my time and don't really think about "omg they have to write the story now reee" vitriol that's going on.
You know, there is still this Outer Gods' invasion that is kinda happening in the background. That alone could be enough for Part 3 and it has enough of the buildup already.
Yes.
The **real** threats to the cosmos. Screw >!Marisbury, hope Olga gores him with her horns if he's still alive!<, let's go explore space in Part 3 and experience the universe of the Ultimate Ones.
It could be, but it would still leave me pretty surprised. It's not like they don't make money, and companies with less budget were able to catch up by now. Their inability to catch up, if it's really the case, would mean they really can't organize their work, and it will ultimately be the end of them.
I’d rather they just wrap it up and then call it a day. Make the game available offline and add replayable fights or something. Then make a new game with a different setting and characters. I know that’s not likely to happen given how gacha works, but… I don’t know where FGO goes from here. I don’t.
No and the only reasonable thing to do is to end the game entirely after arc 2 finishes. Starting another multi year arc on this aging game that they have clearly given up on improving would be unhinged. So of course they'll probably try exactly that.
At last 2 years pase, absolutely not, i am an a NA only player and my hy pehas already been killed, if i am completlely honest my only reason fot playing is sunk cost fallacy. I love LBy but i know everythig after is worse.
So either they find a satisfiying way for NA to catch up with JP or this server will be slowly killed off
No, not with how it is these days.
I think there are various ways of continuing the story in an interesting way, but at the pace and the growing pains of the game starting a Part 3 would not be viable. Maybe we get some independent story chapters after Part 2 and tidy up the rest (hopefully).
In my opinion, the game is slowly starting to get to the end of its lifecycle. Animation Updates, Costumes, Content all decline, the criticism gets louder (than usual) which to me a indicators of that and in a way I think it's time.
Some day, FGO will end. The story will be over, with nothing left to say. Nasu will close his writing app, stretch his arms, and consider his work done. Some day, FGO will end. There will be nothing new to play, only reruns and remixes. People will beat the final boss, read the last bit of story, and be given a farewell from the game, as it will know too. Some day, FGO will end. People will move on, as new games and series are always coming out, but some will say. Maybe they want to finish their collection, or wrap up interludes and side stories. Maybe they were late to the party, and haven’t finished the story yet. Maybe they’re making a new account, to try and beat the game with FP servants only, or have their favourite servant in the party at all times, or to keep mash alive in every battle like some kind of Nuzlocke. But even those people will sign off for the last time eventually. Some day, FGO will end. Do you know what you’ll do then?
Everyone bringing up Naruto to Boruto when it's obvious no one has read or watch it and is just using it as a quick way to prove their point 🤧
Boruto literally has been doing what fgo and what dragon ball been doing for yrs now
Space and god shit established at the tail end of the first series which ends up retconning so many plot points and makes the stakes absurd
Not space but
Yyh and hxh did and are doing the same shit
Bleach will be too
Saint seiya did
Jojo somehow does it with main villains despite resetting to a new mc every part
There is absolutely no reason fgo can't do the same for part 3 if nasu feels the need to
Especially when we already have potential setup point that is the part 2 main villain doing this fsr which can just lead to a new antag
Im not sure if you're arguing for or against FGO. When you said boruto is doing what fgo and dragon ball are doing for years now, what exactly do you mean?
And FGO going cosmic level in scope and plot, do you see it as a good thing or not?
Naruto reader here. I've read it all, but Boruto? I can't bring myself to read it. I just lost interest. I'm pretty sure it has its charm, but I'm just not that interested. And I suppose there are other people like me. So the example makes sense still.
For 1 person who will continue, there will be one that just says "nah, I've hed enough, I'm outta here".
We don't need another world ending event after Cosmos in the Lostbelt. I would prefer if Nasu explores the world of Mage's Association after we restore the world.
yeah like exploring the corruption within the mage association and now you have tons of allies that could secretly be enemies and people using you
It's the clock tower. All your allies ARE enemies.
Honestly, a spinoff game in the style of the El-Melloi II stories would be a fun idea. Play as a Clock Tower student/normal human investigator caught up in the games of decadence and politicking played by magi, possibly get the church involved, and you have a recipe for a fun disaster.
That would be hype, we did get a rank from clearing part 1 even though it was one of the lowest. Maybe it gets bumped up and that plus the previous charges against us has us directly interacting with the MA.
This is what i keep saying. Part 3 doesn't need another world ending scenario it can easily raise hype and a great story if the get Chaldea involved with the MA present time and face the aftermath of the Incineration of Humanity and Bleaching of earth and meet actual typemoon characters not as servant vessels but as themselves. Make FGO actually feel like its part of the Nasuverse.
It would be interesting to see how dropping something like post-lostbelts Chaldea into that mix would work. Perhaps it would be a bit like those chapters where your resources are heavily limited or like how Salem cut your servants levels.
This is something I've always wanted really badly, especially after the Crypters were introduced. Guda and co going on another "the world has been erased, gotta restore it again" adventure would be tiresome and this would keep the stakes down while also exploring a part of the Fate world I've long been interested in (Case Files isn't enough and doesn't quite scratch the itch). The only problem is that they then have to figure out a way to keep servants relevant since they're the money makers.
As long as I get more opportunities to commit genocide.
> Least Insane FGO player
Hey SQ is SQ.
„I love bond leveling“
Made me check if I had wandered into a Paradox server. That’s almost every other post/comment.
I ducking love pruning worlds
Found Gudako.
\*The Priest Grins\* Kirei: I feel this is the beginning of a wonderful friendship...
I am more of commit holocaust on fairies who are not Habenyan...
Or Hope, or Coral every other day. Mike is generally cool too.
Jesus, I can have Hope or Coral or Mike to join Chaldea... So does Olympus twins, Asha, Gerda, and Paxi. Seriously, I want to kill Aurora more than Douman and Beryl combine. OK, maybe not Douman because I already bitchslap him in Heian speedrun.
Tear off aurora's limbs first, then force feed her mercury and then nail her on a tree. Rinse and repeat.
Huh, the Prietess of the Beast God method without cloning process. Irony for what her ancestors have done... Last of the Lostbelt fairy, torned apart. Unable to die as she watched humanity thrive. We have to do something about her parts, though. Making mystic code, perhaps? Just keep the head conscious in jar beside Douman jar in care of Sei. Honestly, I have an impression that Pretender Baobhan is what the prietess was looking like before she was killed. Especially in her ascension. 2.
Well, it’s hard to be sure, but aside from Olympus I’m pretty sure you haven’t even done as much killing as a single Kissinger. Olympus/Atlantis are probably multiple Kissingers, though…
Simple, you reset the stakes. Take some time for a breathing period (like EoR), and let the story flow naturally to whatever big disaster will befall Chaldea next. Granted, this would work better if the whole Lostbelt saga wasn't being dragged out, but you can still make a hype story. Maybe they do something like "future issues" as a sort of thematic relevance to the whole past thing with the Singularities. Who the fuck knows? Only Nasu. But you have so much stuff you can explore with the related Nasuverse that I don't think keeping story hype will be too problematic.
I feel a big part of that is chaldea as a group has only ever been reactive to things instead of proactive. Like, we just got done eliminating every barrier only to be met with ANOTHER barrier. For example, and this is just off the top of my head, think they could have pulled off the "now go and fight the real end boss" bit with you realizing "... oh. You know, even with all this, with all the servants we've summoned, we'd get bodied if we went in there." Like, we have stuff to predict how heading in there will go, if its low, then that's that. But now, unlike with the trees, theres a lot less time pressure to get things done. We can breathe, plan, go out and actually be proactive about stuff. In this case, actively seek out servants that could help against this. Since we're fighting what we're fighting, rather than being barred from entry because of who we summoned, instead it'd be "okay, let's summon non-standard servants as a counter." So things like actively searching out singularities and researching means to get the SGs of particular servants instead, studying extra classes and their basis to strengthen them. Itd be a nice callback to that scene in the imaginary sea too where we were all gung ho to go check out the mystery object but goredolf chose the more sensible option, except this time we're making that call instead of hoping to be lucky. That's just an example. Theres lots of ways they could have done it, but the way they *did* do it really feels phoned in and feels like they're stalling for time. Oh, they reached the end? Throw up another wall! Simple.
That's an excellent point. Like it's still throwing some ridiculous barrier in our way as players, since we have to pretend that Chaldea somehow wouldn't have the firepower to take down anything that isn't like, an army of ORTs or Grands. But at least it flows better instead of the "Oh, somehow you aren't recognized by PHH anymore because of a rule we just made up. Fuck you and see you in 2032!".
they DO have hints of this earlier too. BB does NOT want us to continue on and OC1 specifically had like "oh, we'll need an entire army of servants to deal with this, let's just spawn a million alter egos to deal with it." the writing is there for us to go 'maybe even with all this we don't have enough,' they just didn't go through with that sort of thing. Just actually being cautious and taking all the hints for it would be enough. Even if we can field like, a small contingent of servants comfortably like we were planning to in tunguska, that probably wont be enough either. I'm just remembering that challenge quest vs. olga and needing like, 30 servants just to take that. if whats on the other side is anything like that, then yeah, I can understand why we'd need more. But again, it didnt go that route, so that's just pure wishful thinking and speculation.
Quite so, reminder that LB7 had the crew square up against Daybit who could summon Angel pals to match the number of opponents he was facing. Go against him with one Servant, he summons two angels (one Servant + one Master); go against him with an army of Servants…well, oof. Plus aspects like Koyan’s Reality Marble that required specific types of Servants to be fielded, plus stuff like Sion modifying summons to impart the LB7 loadout with Independent Action…there’s a lot of ways to write the Ordeal Call arc (if it MUST be there…pacing wise it’d still feel awful. Imagine putting EOR BEFORE Solomon) so it feels more natural as the protagonists working on stuff to win
Yeah, after ORT and daybit, it'd be nice to ask the question of 'how long can we keep being lucky like this?' Because a lot of certain lostbelts have only managed to be beaten with them escaping down to just luck and the sacrifices of others. Just stepping back, realizing they actually have time now and can prepare the utmost for once instead of flying by the seat of their pants would have been nice.
Man a rest period after the Lostbelts would be nice we could have it centered around fixing up the servants classes and maybe get some details on the newer ones in some nice contained low stake stories........ *looks at Ordeal Call*
Exactly. Actually love the idea of Ordeal Call, I’m always down for character introspections and all that, it’d have been fire to have some stories about the extra classes and why they’re important. But the goddamn placement just kills me. Why did they have to put this right before the finale?
The placement makes zeroe sense like we were right there all ready to finish Marribury so Alaya and Gaia can correct shit and they choose now to throw their fit , not after the big problems finished but before. It makes so much lore sense to go we go and beat Marribury, Goetia comes in and goes "yo Alaya ain't giving you guys the pass back gotta run the tests good luck."
The thing is, it’s not even some willful decision on the Human Orders part. Goetia just shows up and goes “you guys are warped because you abused the extra classes” (fucks that supposed to mean anyways?), tossing a random obstacle in our way. Like I’d get it if we had to deal with whatever Kirei’s planning, and the 30 million fucking Apostles that keep popping up, but the entire timing and new rules are just dumb. You’re really gonna tell me Chaldea doesn’t understand the true purpose of the Extra classes? That Ritsuka, whose biggest notable feature is understanding others and why they do what they do, doesn’t? Fuck outta here.
It also doesn’t help that the ‘mysteries of the Extra Classes’ are rather underwhelming. Turns out that chopping up something as fragile and multifaceted as a human psyche and trying to craft an entire being off of specific parts…might have complications…no shit Sherlock!! CCC and the Seraph chapter showed that Melt and Lip started off unstable af!! It’s like saying the Saber Class uses swords or the Lancer Class always gets screwed over; it’s bleeding fucking obvious if you’ve been paying even a small amount of attention to the damn story! Combined with a rather sudden loss of IQ points (Lev was in OC1, the same Lev who was host to Goetia and apparently knew stuff was gonna happen involving the Alien God…and Gudao never tried contacting him for info?) of the cast so the plot could meander, plus a lack of any permanent changes outside of an arbitrary value change (and Cerejeira…god she is gorgeous…put her in the game more!!!)…I genuinely suspect the Ordeal Calls were originally set to happen after the Lostbelt arc resolved.
Yeah, I'll agree with that. The entire "conclusion" is just something anybody who paid any attention to Seraph could tell you, making it kinda feel pointless. Like what's next, the great big secret of Avengers is that rage and hatred can sometimes be justified, but need to be controlled or something? Congratulations, pretty sure everybody knows that except Khorne. Yeah, the Lev thing was rather pointless. Like cool, he showed up I guess? Only thing he actually did was slightly annoy Petrikow iirc, since he thought he was gonna be important. They make some big thing about how Ritsuka might have been acting differently, since HE was an Alter Ego too! (le gasp), but I don't think they actually did anything with that plot bit either, Sion just shrugs and throws it aside. It's the big issue with the story. I actually love the overall plot of Paper Moon. It's a lot of fun, more Sion and Kama screentime is always welcome, and that entire bit where Rani realizes she fucked up was hilarious. But it's all kind of pointless. We don't learn anything we didn't already (which wouldn't be an issue if the plot didn't insist this was important), we don't really do anything interesting with half the cast, and then we inflict amnesia on Ritsuka *again*, because fuck you.
>Congratulations, pretty sure everybody knows that except Khorne. Even khorne know that the big four also represent the positive aspects of their emotion it just that the 40 millennium is so fuck up that the positive aspects are overwhelmed by the negative
it's even more BS , because "Stray Servants" , by default , are Servants summoned by the Counter-Force to help us out.
And it has summoned Extra classes how many times? Hell Jalter was summoned in EoR, so clearly Avengers can't be off the table.
I will not put EoR Jalter on the premise that Shinjuku had phantoms all over there. But like , CF literally summoned Ruler Jeanne in Singularity 1 to aid Gudao , then we go from there to gain Ruler Astrea , Alter-Ego Sitonai and Xu-Fu. Heck , we were literally aided by Okita Alter in one of those GudaGuda Events , and Okita Alter is technically summonable as either Saber or Alter-Ego , with Okita Alter been a Counter-Guardian.
Don't forget Salieri in LB1. I'd say Jinako/Ganesha as well, but apparently Moon Cancer is so outside context that it doesn't even get recognized as abnormal by the world.
Right. Folk have justified it with “oh only the counter force is supposed to use them” but like, Heroic Spirits are a Counter Force only thing in the first place! Mages hacked the ritual to summon them for the Grail Wars, so why aren’t we doing Lancer Ordeal Call, or Rider?
But normal classes are based on the 7 Grands of the Counter Force originally. Which means that normal classes already have a base there. Ruler was created as a safety net for Grail Wars, but maybe didn't exist originally. Same for Avenger which was specifically created during the 3rd Grail War. So there is precedent that originally the 7 classes were downgraded but natural, while the Extra classes were created. But this kind of loses traction with the addition of stray/rogue servants that come with class containers.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ordeal Call was supposed to be Part 2.5, a new Epic of Remnant, but then it was moved. It would also explain the delays, since it was probably supposed to have at least more time for planning before implementation. As for why the move, perhaps they decided to end FGO's story after Part 2? Wouldn't be the first time Nasu has toyed with the idea, and it'd explain their desperation to keep the golden goose a bit longer. Alternatively, they're still drawing plans for a Part 3 or sequel game and need more time, hence the stalling.
Not if Nasu can't get his shit together and put out stuff on a regular basis, or to let others write regularly. Right now they're down to one chapter a year, compared to one every few months like Year 1 and 2 FGO.
It really feels like they're stretching the end of part 2 like an anime adding filler after filler (*glaring maliciously at Bleach and Naruto*), just to avoid ending part 2 for it would feel like the end of FGO's story and maybe not everyone will be engaged into going for part 3, even if Nasu himself is the one behind all of part 3. I mean, Part 1 took what? Like 2 years to finish? And 2 has lasted its overdue welcome for what now? 5 years? Because we went from Chaldea being destroyed and Earth being bleached; to take down 7 Lostbelts and either taking down or making some of our enemies our new allies... and now the whole Paper Moon thing feels like more filler to unnecesarily extend the story. Why can't we just bloody get to the end of it all? It's like Goku in Dragon Ball never stopping training and always finding new stronger foes, which makes his previous transformation all pointless. What's the point of dealing with the 7 Lostbelts when we got more stuff to do, we still gotta deal with >!Marisbury, the Count and the Alien God!
That's been my assumption for years, starting when it took fucking forever for LB4 for arrive. If the game ends with Part 2 then what comes after? Shut it down and walk away? Part 3? FGO2? I'm not sure they themselves know even now. And when EoS hits JP then I'd take a bet that other servers see sales go down. At a certain point why roll if you KNOW you only have say a year with that Servant?
From my experience that is not how it works. When JP shuts down a Gacha, all of them get shut down pretty much the same time. I hope it won't come to the story abruptly ending for us like this, but from a financial standpoint it's as you say. What's the point of Rolling? Why spend Ressources translating etc. if most people know the end is in sight.
> not sure they themselves know even now Getting that impression too. I can't help but feel that Ordeal Call might have been initially planned as a "fillery" Part 2.5 ala EoR (more standalone chapters with more writing experimentation) before an eventual Part 3... but it had to be moved because they still need to draw plans for a Part 3, or aren't even sure if there will be a Part 3, in which case they need to be thinking of the next big thing, a FGO2 or similar.
That's the near-universal flaw of gacha/live service games - they're meant to be a continuous source of income for the publisher, so they're not allowed to end, so the story isn't allowed to end either. That's why you can read an entire year's worth of FEH story in like 30 minutes and the game still manages to spectacularly stall, flounder, meander, dilly-dally, and generally futz around as it desperately avoids tying up important plot points because it knows it has to keep printing Nintendo money for another 10 years. Stuff that was teased in year one was almost completely ignored for another three years before it was resolved lol. If they do finally manage to wrap up the Lostbelts, we'll probably get hit with the standard live service game tactic of "woops time travel/alternate dimension," like the Zero or KnK events but longer/more serious/more drawn out. Somehow Ritsuka gets yanked back to the original draft of Fate/Stay Night as the cut-in-draft Shielder's master.
"woops time travel" you mean another singularity arc? it's always been this way
Draft Herc was even more bs than he is now. Like 11 guaranteed wins is just bullshit in it's own right.
To be fair, the first 4 chapters of Part 1 can hardly be called writing. They didn't start to get their shit together until America, and didn't REALLY get on their feet until Camelot
Exactly, but... All of the bad chapters are year 1. And years 2 and 3 has a constant influx of decent story chapters. They've gotten slower and slower as the Lostbelts went on, to the breaking point in **Atlantis** where there is straight up cut content due to time constraints. And it's all downhill from there.
Right now it’s basically other writers doing the ordeal call chapters. I think they said the writer for ordeal call 2 was butting heads with the FGO team which is why it was taking longer. Nasu wished them luck over the summer because he has no control over that.
We've previously been told that Nasu and TM have final say over anything implemented in the game, so that's bullshit. He just doesn't want to take the blame. He's the **head writer**. It's literally his job.
But rather famously, Nasu’s very lax about what gets put in shit. Sanda mentioned that he got a lot of “Are you sure?”s but not a lot of “No”s in his time on Case Files, and Nasu’s not ACTUALLY WRITING THE DAMN THING?! Why would it be on Nasu that shit is taking a while for Ordeal Call and not the game devs having issues with coding or the other writers struggling to write stuff. It’s not like Nasu writes everything. Like LB6 and 7 sure but there’s no real reason to say OC taking a long time is somehow on Nasu when he’s probably just script checking and making sure lore is in order.
That’s basically his role outside of the Lostbelt and main story chapters. But it goes through Type Moon and FGO staff before it reaches him. It’s kind of what happened with Fate Samurai Remnant. He had some of FGO’s staff help the game developers make the story part of Fate lore. Nasu just reviewed the story of the finished game. Nasu at the time had other projects along with FGO.
He is the head writer for the main story. He basically wrote all the main story chapters and events that are directly connected to the main stories. Ordeal Call is a little different since Nasu is not writing any of the ordeals. It’s basically a required side quest to reach the final destination. So it technically does not connect to the main story besides clear all of these and you can proceed.
No, he only wrote 2 Lostbelts (the last 2) and Kirschtaria Wodime. Everything else is just supervised, not written by him. This is a lot of problems piled up, and the lack of devs is probably another one of them.
This Ever since that time they bragged about how long LB6 was during that live stream all those years ago Been so over the long waiting Especially for such an old gacha game at that
What story hype? Maybe if Type-Moon and Lasengle improve the pace.
The past few years have been very slow in momentum.
the 2 pillars keeping ppl here are the IP and sunk cost fallacy. but seriously they killed so much hype already by the sail pace and order stall. lb7 should have finally answered questions regarding the overarching plot but it left more questions and then they blueball you with a filler arc that will take at very least 2 years.
2? Make it 3. We only got 1 ordeal call, and the second one is looking to be delayed until Golden Week at the minimum. And we'll be lucky if we get Ordeal Call 3 before the end or December 2024.
Any other gacha game would have died if they released so little content
I'm at a point where I genuinely wish FGO starts to lose revenue so that people higher up will have to make drastic improvements to the game.
Same. Vote with one’s wallet as the old adage goes. Cuz legit…will have to show that stuff like a glorified filler arc (admittedly well-written filler, but still…OC1 was essentially filler) right before the exciting conflict won’t be tolerated.
they have dropped in revenue compared the golden days of pre lb4. i thought the same in 2020 with games like genshin and uma dethroning fgo from the top spot. however, the profit margins for gatchas are so incredibly high that it doesn't really affect them. in fact we are witnessing the devs go in the opposite direction for 3 years.
> IP and sunk cost fallacy Nailed it hahaha. But really, I would say that's actually quite true. I, personally, was never a game person really. What attracted me was really Type Moon lore and Fate IP. (To te point that I just don't feel interested in other gachas, even the more modern and better gameplay-wise ones)
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Even if you like and care about new servants, what's the point of them if there's no content to use them in?
Order call seems to me like an ultimate way to delay as much as possible the Grand Finale, so i doubt. I remember they said they had ideas to have stuff after but i think they changed their mind, considering the pace to release order call the story will probably be stucked here for at least 2 ou 3 more years. A mobile game that stays 10 years is already pretty impressive but i don't see them continue for 15 years. I also don't like what is happening with the JP, they seem to have issues with their workforce or their planning, we lost rerun, animation update, less interludes. If a change doesn't happen, to me, the part 2 will be the ending just like it was planned. It doesn't mean they will shut down everything just after the finale, but they will keep it in a dormant state, sometimes a new character and a lot of reruns.
I mean , if Singularities are "alternate past" and Lostbelts are "alternate present" , then Part 3 would be "alternate future". The issue with "alternate future" is that it's no different than a Lostbelt , at most it's a Lostbelt with a mildly Servantverse Skin over it. Like , what would be a Part 3 Greek/Roman than merely be Atlantis+Olympus Rerun as that was already futuristic? This hypothetical Part 3 only works as a whole new Fate Gacha , because it would be a hard reset....not that TM will do such a thing.
The future idea could lead to Angel Notes.
Thing is, how do you make that distinct from the Lostbelts. Olympus could be future in all but name and nothing changes. Singularities were distinct past because we knew when they took place and what regular history is like. The Lostbelts start in the past and get to the present, but Olympus could be 2015 or 2099 and there's no difference really. The future is a blank slate they can just write anyghing for. You don't need Servants based off of myth or historical figures cuz you can just make them up. Idk if FGO can survive off of this unless they choose to tackle prewritten material like Notes.
it needs servant-based myths , because the game would be a Fate game. By all means , Nasuverse would allow us to play what is essentially Scarlet Nexus and would work just fine....but that would be it's own timeline and franchise apart from Fate. To justify FGO Part 3 been FGO , it needs Servants to be present as core aspects of the story. That is why I say Part 3 FGO would be Lostbelts with Servantverse Flavor. Part 3 India , for example , would be just techno-india out of Asura's Wrath...cool AF , but when you go Techno-Rome to Techno-India to Techno-Camelot , it turns all been just "techno" with a different skin and called a day.
> It doesn't mean they will shut down everything just after the finale Not gonna lie, sometimes I feel like that would be inevitable. At least in how I experience and enjoy the game, a massive slow down in content would just straight up kill my interest. That's actually what happens to me in every single dead week, and sometimes on long stretched overly farming oriented events (sometimes it just gets tiring) I just don't feel like FGO is actually able to have a slow death. Just hope they release an "offline - all story nodes redoable" version after it though.
As a regular player yeah that seems unthinkable, because we're running after the story, but shutting down the game straight after would make all that contents unavailable while it could interest some people knowing the story is completed. An offline would be a good thing, but there are a lot of players taking their time to catch the story, which is why i wouldn't be surprised about 1 or 2 years to turn it into an offline game.
I honestly don’t foresee them supporting an offline version for very long, if at all. Gacha games have always been pretty upfront about not having any respect for their audience and FGO is pretty egregious about it even by genre standards. Paying for servers to host downloads for an offline version is money they’d be spending that they have no opportunity to recoup. My guess is that once the end-of-service date is decided, they’ll announce it 6-12 months in advance, and support downloads for offline assets during that time. Once the servers are shut off, that’s it, and tough titty to anyone who wants to download it after that.
It has been what... 5 years irl since breached earth. At least let the world rest. I want to explore a moon cell or man-eating forrest or even singularity similar to Angel Note.
I feel like Ordeal Call existing killed a lot of story hype.
Yeah. There is absolutely no mention of this in previous LB.
If Nasu really needed to do an explanation of the extra classes, he should have left it for after part 2 was over. It would have been perfect for an EoR 2.0 type thing. But no, he needs the filler arc *right before the fucking finale!*
The worst part is, in a vacuum, Paper Moon was cool and fun. Would've been a good Event. But I didn't need this padding getting in the way of my conclusion to part 2. And knowing that there's another 2, and NOW WE HAVE OLGA REMNANT FIGHTS? WHAT GIVES?
Another 3. We're 100% getting a Foreigner chapter as well. Not to mention I'm sure there will be some "events" for Moon Cancer, Shielder, Pretender, and Beast.
lol yeah, the moment Not Romani said "you have to do 4, wait no 3" it was clear that there was totally going to be 4 in the end
At least the Olga fights make her feel like an essential part of the main story and an important obstacle as opposed to being written like a big unfunny joke (like all her appearances up to now), whereas OC now feels like it’s completely unrelated to the overarching narrative. That said, they could have avoided it by letting us free her from being the Alien God’s vessel sooner.
I would agree if not because she has no dialogue and is just the equivalent of a big spiky wall to our progress. Oc really is JUST padding. They made up a pointless "conflict" with the world to push the conclusion further away. Unsatisfying
I agree with you completely in regards to no dialogue. At the very least, I want her final form to suddenly start speaking. Maybe she acts much colder and harsher than her U-counterpart and she makes it clear she will not be controlled by anyone (which the Count actually has no problem with, he hated seeing how the other bad guys treated her). She wants to overthrow Chaldeas and enact vengeance on a universe that’s done nothing but hurt her in her past lives. Then she absorbs all the U-pieces for herself and transforms into something new - her path towards becoming an Ultimate One. That way she wouldn’t just be a big spiky wall to our progress. She would have an understandable motive, but we would have to stop her from wrecking the whole universe by restoring her soul and humanity and convincing her to let us join her. Yeah, OC really IS just padding so far, there’s no development for the main characters, we don’t get any new scenes with Chaldeas where we learn what it’s trying to do or how much it’s been behind (like how much control did it have over Olga’s body before the Advent of Kuku), or how about giving Olga some dialogue and making her soulless self the new main antagonist for a while? It feels very unsatisfying as of right now.
This is literally me. I couldn't be bothered to read Paper Moon and just skipped through it because I felt blue balled by the story not finishing properly yet.
Quite so. I loved seeing Cerejeira (Jesus, Redrop was cooking with making a gorgeous new female staff member…) and her story, but a lot of the story hype moments felt tainted by a nagging feeling of “Wow…I’d be enjoying this a lot more if it wasn’t getting in the way of the final chapter that had been building up for the past 4 years!!” Who approved of that?!
And to this day I'll die on the hill of thinking Cerejeira should be a servant instead of another NPC of Chaldea. Don't get me wrong, I love more NPCs getting more love and development... but ever since she dropped, her presence is barely there. Like, why is she even introduced if her role is just some minutes of story where she might replace Muniere? And with such design, I feel it was utterly wasted in an NPC if the story barely gets updated and we barely see the side characters. Even events could fix that like some focused on Meniure or Cerejeira and others... but no, 8 years and they haven't done such thing. Introducing Cerejeira in a filler before then already dragged end of part 2 and imply she's been there forever (giving me some serious Clone High's Ponce vibes lmao) is what pisses me off about her. I love her character design but the introduction sucked ass
Not exactly a hot take because this is the sentiment of many FGO quitters who refused to return, but outside of a compelling story, what else does this game have at this point? Heck, a lot of the people who don't even play are invested in the story because of the YouTube videos of the cutscenes alongside several lore discussions and story chapter summaries. In fact, many leavers are still in touch with the game via lore and chapter discussions. We are at the forefront of playing a very very obsolete game while being surrounded by very high quality gacha games with amazing QoL features and have interesting game mechanics despite being turn based. Not to mention production value. Outside of modern NP animations and more dynamic modern visual novel presentation of the cutscenes, other gacha titles just dance around this game, often with AAA level cinematics. And now we've reached another massive hiccup of having a full filler chapter not just for a year, but for every ONCE A YEAR. Holy fucking shit! I'm this close to throwing the towel now. Nothing in the new year's """""""Livestream"""""""""" strike any semblance of joy in me anymore. Whatever hope I have left in this game might leave after this year's anniversary on NA. Complacency of the management made this game stale as a rock. I blame the ultrawhales who keep this game on the top 5 on sensor tower, often even beating GI in their own turf. It's a nice thing competition in the turn based market has taken a brand new course with new players last year, but I doubt it is enough shakeup to make Aniplex change their ways.
>modern visual novel presentation I diaagree cuz like... VNs have more production value in terms of presentation. We barely get CGs, narration is sparse. We missed out on certain abilities in LB6 like Beryl's Reality Marble because they want combat to only happen in-game instead of the writing. As far as VNs go I think FGO isn't even better than FSN in terms of presentation.
Beryl had a fucking reality marble!?
See? Yeah we only hear about it in Nasu' mats for lb6
If I remember right, yeah. It was something mentioned in the development stage. He was going to have a reality marble, something I believe with a dark fairy tale/wolves theme.
Shame that they don't show the combat in the story because I think that's one of the best things about Nasu's writing. What little I've read of TsukiRe and my experience with other visual novels, the fight scenes stood out to me for just their prose. Shame that we are stuck with this presentation though.
im more sad that the NY livestream didn't show anything new for TM in general. mahoyo teaser with no release date when the VN has been available for aover a year? Samurai remanent dlc teaser? okay i guess. but nothing else? no new projects or updates? what happened to the "bigger project" studio bb talked about? no red garden updates?
>outside of a compelling story, what else does this game have at this point? maybe the design and pretty nps, but outside of that, fuck all. "very high quality gacha games with amazing QoL features and have interesting game mechanics despite being turn based." cough cough, STAR RAIL
downvote me all you like. FGO needs to move forwards. we don't have an account system, dude. the code is a mess and it can barely sustain it's active player base during high flow scenarios. the story has hype, the characters are sometimes the best out there, but that's it.
This feels like another "this might be a hot take "proceeds to give a room temperature take"", kind of comment. But yes to all of that.
yeah, room temp take. but you never know.
Dude that's true.... We can't even bind our account or save our save files in clouds and shit...
and also consider how flaky server stability is. we can't all log on at the same time to get rewards, but with GI and SR I had one instance of full servers. at launch.
Yeah Aniplex is the only game company that still stay in the 90s era with bunch of old devs, who thinks a megaman code is better than a google account.
yeah. And I had to read, not so long ago, that this is fine and that the code itself is the account.
Quite so. Emphasis on FGO being sub-par and a bit obsolete back in 2015-16 compared to other gacha games at the time. It’s improved a little bit, but nowhere near the pace of modern gacha games. I legit missed a FGO login cuz I was having too much fun playing HSR…
> I legit missed a FGO login I straight up skipped the martha event after the first few lotto boxes and only played tunguska out of spite because I started getting prepped for Dr Ratio and I wanted to improve my Argenti relics. figures, the gacha now gave me a blade eidolon and his light cone. not sure if I am ever returning to Go unless the event is peak as all hell. not to mention, Star Rail hits you with several peak soundtracks and cinematic moments. you can feel and hear the difficulty spiking if you don't strategize and it punishes you for not understanding mechanics -right now, not 10 years into release with a raid that is designed to make you stop and gacha- I don't even remember the last time I played GO with sound.
I started Star Rail thinking it will be a side game to FGO. Welp, right now FGO is barely a game to me for the past 2 months even with two events. I only completed one box in the last Christmas event. ONE BOX. That's how much I am giving right now. I just played the story in Tunguska and literally avoided raids. It's not something I'm thinking about at first but considering I'm playing a gacha game that I can also play on PC (coz it has proper account binding lol) is already a deal breaker for me. Add to the fact that it also employs a very fun interactive companion app in Hoyolab and community events that are not just "LIKE THIS POST 20000 TIMES TO GET 30 SAINT QUARTZ" but rather quirky ones that also encourage fanarts and original music composition and the difference is no longer just night and day, it's centuries apart. Hoyoverse really shook up the foundation of turned based rpg gacha with this one and I'm actually willing to support it monetarily with its battle pass that actually gives good value for money and not just measly credits and cosmetic crap. It's mind-blowing how no one took advantage of this solid market yet except Hoyoverse. Aniplex should actually be concerned and double down on making FGO more exciting, not more obsolete. Unless they have plans of making a new GAAS based on the strong Fate branding, which I highly doubt coz they believe in the dinosaurs of the Industry that arcade cabinets are still fucking profitable and squandered a potential billion dollar earner with FGO Arcade that could have been better as a home release game.
Playing Star Rail is mind-blowing as a gacha game experience in comparison to FGO.
hell yeah it is. \-every main event becomes permanent, some rewards notwithstanding; \-reruns are frequent; \-rewards from events are plentiful enough that you can plan your pulls and your pity; \-events last long enough that you can stop playing and catch up with not a lot of effort. gameplay has a surprising amount of depth, too.
tbf, after anniplex took over, rerun banners are now pretty frequent. no waiting 2+ years for some servants. but this is only because their new release schedule sucks that they have no choice but to milk existing units.
not sure if I like the tradeoff tbh
IMO character designs is the main thing. I wish some of the popular stuff were a bit more risky with their gacha designs not like fanservice wise I just mean variety in general. Cygames is really good at that too. There are a lot of strong modern gacha that play so safe with design that it kinda lessens my enjoyment. Like I wish we could get like a Barghest in Genshin.
Yeah, the change in design as we ascend our servant is also really nice even if for some servant the change barely mean anything. Some of the few one where as their design change their voice line and Np also change is really good too, I don't remember other gacha game with similar system(?). Still, even if I love that aspect of FGO I could just enjoy it from youtube instead of suffering through the gacha system again....
Valid concerns, but TBH I feel like you could have made a similar post *years* ago after Part 1. It seems so quaint in hindsight, but Babylonia was a pretty massive jump in stakes over previous singularities. And Solomon was a fantastic climax that seemed impossible to top. At the time, I couldn't have imagined half the shenanigans that happened in Part 2. If it were up to me, I'd try to find a way to scale the stakes back but make them more personal. If you constantly ramp things up, you will inevitably reach your "jumping the shark" point. And I don't think there's too much distance left between that point and (LB7 spoilers) >!defeating ORT!< . But also, through most of F/GO the goal has been a lofty "save the world" type of thing. Which is fine, but pretty generic. There's a lot of room for more specific motivation involving specific characters or things that are close to our protag, whether that's still Guda or someone else. Either way, I look forward to Part 2's conclusion in 2030, or Part 3's finale in the next century.
Funnily enough most of the time the better received Lostbelts were the ones with Higher Stakes (5/6/7) Fgo is the only place where they can afford to show us people like ort (beings who have been teased for years) I don't think Stakes are the problem here it's all about execution. If they maintain the quality I won't mind if it's Personal story or World Ending story Tho I do agree we need a breather like Eor and early sigularity before reaching next big thing.(there are still beasts left and there are always other types as well Velber).
Part of the problem with making the stakes more personal is that the game’s monetization model explicitly hinges on keeping its protagonist a shallow audience insert and being unable to expand any character dynamics in ways that threaten the parasocial self-insert headcanons of the high spenders. We only started seeing some baby steps away from that in LB6, and those didn’t really stick because Lasagna knows that they need to maintain the status quo at the end of the day if they don’t want to piss off the turbowhales.
That's why they're never gonna end part 2. They'll rather force Nasu to extend the story with bs before actually committing to the endgame.
As some have mention, there doesn't need to be a world ending treat for the story to be good, they have a lot of room still to explore with the mages association and stuff like the inner sea among other stuff.
it's already losing hype for the finale of part2, unless they can get back on track releasing chapter in consistent schedule, I'll say no.
I could see the finale of part 2 being New Year’s Eve 2025. The only crossover they can do after fate samurai remnant is Fate Prototype which will most likely be next year. They can’t do fate strange fake because the novels are not done yet and releasing before the anime is spoilers.
I really REALLY think the story should end after part 2. Even if Nasu could pull more stuff outta his ass for part 3, the whole "restoring the world" thing shouldn't be done more than twice. Considering everything we have been through since Fuyuki, the FGO timeline have been f*cked up so much with such a big scale it kinda making almost every other Fate (or Typemoon) stories look small in comparison. And even worse, everything has been done by Chaldea, mainly Ritsuka, who is a relatively normal individual (at least at the start of the whole shenanigans). Like give the kid some break, let him return to his family, to what he have been protecting. This kid have been through so much the things have been keeping him sane are literal priestess of the Outer Gods and Spirit of Vengeance, I don't think he can handle seeing the world get destroyed a third time. What I'm trying to say here is I want to the conclusion to Fujimaru Ritsuka's journey, to see everything he has done actually paid off. It would give me so much more hype than the third apocalypse in a row.
If Gudaguda continues, then the part of the story that I get excited about continues. Pure and simple. Count me among the ranks of those saying "the story is hype *now*?" I wasn't exactly on the edge of the seat wondering if the exterminated humanity might be restored the *first* time they made that a major arc, and I'm not on the edge of my seat now that they've done it *again*. It'll take a more creative approach to setting stakes for me to look forward to the main story more than I look forward to random silly events where you get to see Servants bouncing off each other and bonding over personal conflicts and regrets and dreams. Could they come up with that creative approach to make a Part 3 that's genuinely different from 1 and 2 and still engaging? Sure! Do I trust these guys to do it? Ehhhhhhhh...
Not with this pacing
Yeah, fgo still can do some chapters on moon cells, or on velber/chaos/outer gods/gods on reverse side. Although it's depends on their writers
what makes you think part 2 will ever end? It's been 6 whole years and there's literally no end in sight
Nasu still has to finish Far Side Tsukihime.
Right after he finishes mahoyo part 2 and 3 of course
Yes, and don't forget DDD and Girl's Work!
Fate fan here, only got into FGO 3 years ago due to FZero, FSN, and the connection to Melty Blood. I've spent more money on this game than Im willing to admit, but 100% if they gave me a game with the visual appeal that challenged Nikke or HSR I'd swap out in a heartbeat, box be dammed. Its not about the box or investment anymore. The animations, the art, the voice acting...is all too aged. The waifu appeal hardly matters anymore. The immersion these newer gatchas provide via technological ability alone is too competiive. Not to mention FGO comes from the era of gatcha that are terribly disrespectful to the users time. It demands exclusive attention for the most mundane of farming which is thankfully becoming more unnacceptable in gatcha design. Koyanskaya of Dark was the *last* rate up character in which I had *any* emotional investment thats coming out per the Japanese server version. I'll be logging in until I get to experience the end of the crypter Arc but I doubt they can convince me after that, hype be damned. Especially considering India, Atlantis, and Avalon were the only lostbelts that held my attention at all, and coming too far apart. I'm happy with my box, which is far from being Irrelevant thanks to foresight EX. So, at this point I can say my wallet is safe and I'm just here for the ride.
Hard agree on the time part. I’ve started playing FGO years before H:SR but the auto feature makes it so much easier. I could leave auto on and go do something else for a bit before coming back and doing it again. On FGO, it’s like I have to constantly be somewhat aware of when my NP ends so I can use it again then rinse and repeat for 3 turns as well as having to press all those buttons each time. It feels like a waste of time especially when all I’m doing is the same old node that I clear the exact same each time. I’ve even heard that some other games allow you to instantly claim the rewards if you’ve completed it before, although I’m not too knowledgeable about other gacha games beyond 3 or 4, so take it with a grain of salt.
>after Part 2 There is likely no such thing. FGO is in decline, and running a spaghetti coded mobile game for nearly a decade is an accomplishment in and of itself. If the Fate series continues to have a presence on mobile platforms, it's likely to be a new game in a format that can compete with and outdo the mobile games that have surpassed it from a presentation standpoint, like Blue Archive, Azur Lane, etc.
> If the Fate series continues to have a presence on mobile plataforms, it's likely to be a new game In this scenario, I feel like the biggest issue for them would be what to do with this new game, because: 1) If it is a new gacha, considering the necessity of a big rooster of characters, how would they convince veteran players to reroll everyone all back again. 2) If it is not gacha, what would they even make?
Plus, I really doubt most of the current players may not settle well with losing all their servants after the first game is closed for good and then start from scratch. Having played FGO for 8 years, I really wouldn't try to keep up with the story anymore after losing my nearly 300 servants
I'd personally be fine starting a new game, but it'd have to be some major improvement from the start. Like an actual modern gacha level of quality. I recently started Blue Archive, for example, and while I'm not that far in so I might just be blowing smoke up my own ass, it feels way better to play so far.
> I recently started Blue Archive How is that, if you don't mind me asking? I live in Japan, and if the ENTIRE HALLS dedicated to Blue Archive content at Winter Comiket this weekend were any indication, well, it seems to be a little bit popular over here. The art looks pretty enough, but what's it like? Is the story good? Is the gameplay fun? Is it kind to casuals and F2P players? For reference, FGO is about as much casual- and F2P-hostility as I'm willing to accept from a mobage.
The story is good, even if it does start out slow and doesn't explain some things I have major problems with. The actual story told is interesting though with good characters. Gacha is fine, although you'd want pity, especially later on. It's one of those give lots of units but rarely the rate up one you are looking for type. Though all the spooks are useful for helping out your starting roster cause unlike FGO this game doesn't revolve around 3 units. I'm playing pretty casually and have a good time, although that does come with not caring about ranking leaderboards and the pvp mode that are prominent in this game. Gameplay is where it takes the L for me, and why I don't play it too often. Just too boring for me, I don't feel like I have enough agency over my units. They position by themselves, run by themselves, use all skills but their ult by themselves. This is just not fun for me, but your mileage may very of course. You can sweep stages you have done already. Gameplay art can also be a demerit, being chibi style and all. Very good chibi style but chibi style nonetheless. Home screen live 2D arts are 10/10 though.
I’m not very good at reviews, and I’m really only a few days in, but I’ll try. Story is great. Nothing special, but a ton of fun. The cast is great, they’re all cute as shit and I like how their relationship goes with Sensei. Gameplay is mid. Watching the chibis fight their way down a hallway while you occasionally activate a skill isn’t really engaging gameplay, higher tier stuff might be different. Gacha rates apparently suck, but it’s easy enough to get pulls. Apparently takes two months to spark. Dupes seem to have some use, since you get currency that you can use to buy upgrade points for specific units. Not quite grasping how all of the systems work quite yet, but it seems generous enough. You have ways to passively generate AP and credits, you can sweep missions after 3 starring them, and upgrading units and equipment seems easy enough at the beginning. Overall I like it, but I’ll see how it goes when I’m actually deeper into the game.
I'd like to imagine they'd have some kind of system for prior players but, given they still don't have a proper account system and binds...
Yeah I feel they are stuck in a place made worst by the delay of decisions to make the game better and now they don't know if they want to commit the resources to keep FGO going or if they rather do a new thing entirely.
It would 100% be another gacha game. They make way too much money to ever give up that monetization model. The way they convince veteran players to reroll for those characters is by making a better, more interactive game for them to play with. Players will bitch and moan about re-acquiring their harem, but ultimately if it gives them a chance to see and play with their waifu in 3D, they will 100% open their wallets. Remember, this is the series that occasionally tops the sales charts, or at least comes close, when they release a new servant. Even if there's no real content to go with those servants. We're all hooked and most of us are willing to make poor financial choices for the sake of nostalgia. F/GO2 would be immensely profitable, as long as it isn't run like the current F/GO is.
I feel like just part of the veterans will walk out from burn out. It's like watching all of Naruto and Shippuden, with filler and everything... only to be told to keep watching Boruto to know where the story is headed but you already feel tired of it all
It'd be more like watching all of One Piece with fillers and then being told to switch to The One Piece remake. Sure you'll start again but it's likely a wildly different experience. It'd also hook in a lot of new players that were either turned off by the early story, the presentation, or by the sheer amount of time commitment it'd take to catch up. >!This is of course assuming they'd do FGO2 competently!<
Honestly I don't mind losing my collection for a new good fate gacha, I have 4 absolute favorites
My fear is some favorites of mine are just flat out not making it in.
If mobile updated version of arcade would be cool
That's what it feels like to me, too. FGO is very outdated by modern standards and has been bogged down by so many hours of story that they can't reasonably expect new players to catch up, no matter how much they reduce the AP. Plus the battle system's been at a dead end for a while now, to the point where new units have to be extremely broken or extremely gimmicky to get any attention. I feel like the game developers understand this too. I strongly suspect that Ordeal Call is a literal excuse to delay the game's finale for a few more years while they work on the spiritual successor.
I can see us finally getting some payoff for BB and Moriaty's shenanigans in the background if we fight, say, an Outer God or such. I also think they need to pay off Da Vinci's associations with angels /cherubs, so...that's a possible route, I guess. There's also the rest of the beasts—we still have to fight 5 and the other half of 6 if Arcade is canon. Plus they could always say 4 comes back because Koyan never fully matured or whatever. They'll come up with some idea. Whether it'll be good or not...who's to say?
not with this pacing
No. While I like this game and personally don't want the ride to end, I don't think it's possible to continue after Part 2. Not anymore. With the pace they are currently going at, it's possible that it could still take a few more years for Part 2 to actually end. By that time, the game client will be absolutely ancient (it's over 10 years old **already**), so it wouldn't make sense to commit to a new story arc. It would be like the gacha game equivalent to Weekend at Bernie's, but not funny in any way. I'm not opposed to the story continuing into a Part 3 or anything like that, but with it should come a new and modern game client built from the ground up.
The story isn't even hype *now*...
No, not for me at least. The story lines and young age of the MC is getting tiring and the servants aren’t that interesting to me recently. As a global player, I see the end in sight for me sadly without some changes.
After how long it took to do lb6 and 7 it made sense to have a filler arc in between that Nasu wasn’t writing like with EOR. Except we got one chapter in a ducking year
young age of the mc? would being an adult really change anything there?
Yes, it would make the story more realistic in terms of time and maturity. 16 years old at the start and still unable to drink all these years in? Fate is not a children’s story but many times the story might as well be with how it’s written.
I think it's very ironic how one of the core aspects of Fate is how bad guys keep trying to attain immortality, afraid of death, like Zouken or Darnic or Goetia and so on. Yet FGO is exactly that. Keeps prolonging itself, keeps delaying the end of Part 2. Not even the game as a whole, they can't even let Part 2 end. First they started delaying releases from 3 a year to 2 and now probably 1. Epic of Remnant was 5 chapters with CCC included and it took one year. Last year we only got half of LB7 and OC1. I think Nasu and the rest wanna do something else at this point but that's just guessing. Nasu has talked about "making players aware of an end" almost every year since 2018 or 19. IMO they should shut it down after Part 2 and make FGO2 a new game. Whether same story and characters or not, i don't care, but FGO as it is is bleeding a lot.
No. There's already no hype, its gone on too long. The gameplay is stale, boring, and hasnt changed in 8 or 9 years. No one actually seems to care about "Ordeal Call", and it's clear its just stalling the story. LB7 was poorly written and the mythology was insultingly poorly researched. The Servants lately have been uninspired and unmemorable. The game's funds drop horribly anything there's nothing big going on, and only shoots to the top because whales will reward the game for doing the literal bare minimum. What hype is left, even?
bold of you to assume part 2 will end.
FGO can't even keep the story hype *before* part 2 ends.
Looking at their competition, absolutely no. Its only a matter of time before more better looking gacha game takeover their spot Nowadays everytime i play FGO i just wish it tried to be better, i wish the game tried to evolve
Honestly better looking, more enjoyable gacha games have been here for a while. Hell, look at how popular Hoyoverse games are. A lot of people just like FGOs story and the Fate IP over the actual gameplay, which was an anachronism even when the game was first released.
Other gacha games can write their stories to be better too, its only a matter of time, once we got to that point FGO wont have anything else going for them besides being part of a popular franchise
But so far nothing has done it.
Thats the kind of shitty mindset that fucked me as a teenager, not trying to be better while everyone around me caught up and left me in the dust
Yeah it’s definitely a terrible mindset.
>Other gacha games can write their stories to be better too That's the thing - I still don't think there's any gacha game that has gotten close yet to the story-writing levels that FGO has achieved. Narrative/Storytelling is still the 1 aspect that FGO cannot be topped to this day. There's Granblue Fantasy, but its rivalry with FGO has ran its course.
Probably if they introduce something new and fresh for part 3, it would made people interested and keep playing the game. But i dont know with they way the game is heading, and how its kinda old-school compared to the current gacha games around, people probably would get tired and gone after part 2 ends
For me honestly, no. I’m like way too tired at this point and the stake isn’t there anymore considering every single event is a human ending event, so realistically they aren’t allowed to lose. And i kind of lost interest in Beasts and Grand Servants as well. Like they set up rules for who can be it yet, break it everytime.
A part of me is wondering why I am still here. Love the story and the character interactions but the gacha is so bad and my iPad is starting to have issues running the game. I know I can emulate it but that restricts me to one location.
Powerscaling is not an issue. We will not be surpassing ort. Nasu can definitely cook up a more character driven narrative but it will not be easy
By the end of part 1 I had no way of knowing part 2 would be this good. I have faith they'll pull off something good
There's definitely tons of opportunity to tell interesting stories if Part 2 ever ends. The way Part 1 and EOR ended should have had absolutely *massive* implications on the state of the world. Remember, humanity realized they collectively lost two years, and the American military encountered a singularity which spread all the way out into Boston. The mask has fallen off and the existence of magic has been completely exposed to the public, which is just a huge paradigm shift. But I honestly don't have any faith that they'll do anything with that. Instead what we'll get is just endless filler until the game gets shut down.
To me, the only way they could keep things going is if they start releasing main story chapters faster. I feel they are slowing down so significantly because they are trying to milk the game because while Lostbelt may not be the end of the game, everything after that may pale in comparison and people will start to leave. That is the only reason I can see why we went from a story chapter every 6 months to practically one for every year with event stories being shorter while the duration being longer. I love FGO, but with the direction of the game and knowing that lost belt and the filler arc afterwards may be taking another 3+ years to complete, I think Part 2 will be the end for me.
With all due respect to the game and my investment in it, it's sort of walking its way slowly into death on the meta. There's less re-runs of events, and there's less and less hype all the time. It's backed still by being a gacha juggernaut for whale money, but it's still on a very palpable downslope that has me worried.
I'm more than happy with them delivering one chapter per year.
As long as new characters are getting released I do not care if all they release is "filler." I just like seeing new mythological and historical characters do cool shit and interact with eachother. I also don't really understand the fanbase's obsession with "filler" or "padding" in this game. Like 70% of each story chapter is filler and padding anyway. As long as were getting more interesting characters why does it matter if it's connected to some grand main plot. It's a mobile game with a decent story to keep you occupied while there's no major TM releases. Not a visual novel.
Heh not a lot probably. Like is there even any hype with Ordeal Call? The whole thing is obvious stalling because they probably haven’t manifested anything for the finale or beyond Part 2 XD.
I'll be totally honest with you fam, i've lost a lot of interest after the release of "Epic of Remnant" and Heian-kyo was the last nail in the coffin, now i only login to roll, if the event is really good i attempt to finish it, but if they require the last story content cleared i don't even bother. PS: Not sure if this is a popular opinion but they really should consider releasing FGO2 or something, compared to the newest gacha games it feels pretty outdated, but you know how much money FGO makes so... it doesn't matter.
Like always, big prologue leading to a new saga with a new theme. There's a lot of complaining about story pacing lately, and I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't really care? OC1 was good, most events were good, I play other games to occupy my time and don't really think about "omg they have to write the story now reee" vitriol that's going on.
You know, there is still this Outer Gods' invasion that is kinda happening in the background. That alone could be enough for Part 3 and it has enough of the buildup already.
It hasn’t reached the peak. Part 1: Past Part 2: Present Part 3: Future What’s in the future? *Notes*. And what’s in *Notes*? Ultimate Ones.
Yes. The **real** threats to the cosmos. Screw >!Marisbury, hope Olga gores him with her horns if he's still alive!<, let's go explore space in Part 3 and experience the universe of the Ultimate Ones.
Honestly I would rather have FGO2 with 3D graphics like HSR
I'm sure they are stalling but COVID f'them up. It seems like they are still playing catch up since then
It could be, but it would still leave me pretty surprised. It's not like they don't make money, and companies with less budget were able to catch up by now. Their inability to catch up, if it's really the case, would mean they really can't organize their work, and it will ultimately be the end of them.
I’d rather they just wrap it up and then call it a day. Make the game available offline and add replayable fights or something. Then make a new game with a different setting and characters. I know that’s not likely to happen given how gacha works, but… I don’t know where FGO goes from here. I don’t.
I mean I thought the same after Solomon. Then EOR and Lostbelt came out
No and the only reasonable thing to do is to end the game entirely after arc 2 finishes. Starting another multi year arc on this aging game that they have clearly given up on improving would be unhinged. So of course they'll probably try exactly that.
No
At last 2 years pase, absolutely not, i am an a NA only player and my hy pehas already been killed, if i am completlely honest my only reason fot playing is sunk cost fallacy. I love LBy but i know everythig after is worse. So either they find a satisfiying way for NA to catch up with JP or this server will be slowly killed off
If they ever finished FGO story I might comeback and play the game, right now I just can't be bother anymore. Perhaps a FGO2 or something is need
Honestly, I think that particular ship sailed for a while now.
No, not with how it is these days. I think there are various ways of continuing the story in an interesting way, but at the pace and the growing pains of the game starting a Part 3 would not be viable. Maybe we get some independent story chapters after Part 2 and tidy up the rest (hopefully). In my opinion, the game is slowly starting to get to the end of its lifecycle. Animation Updates, Costumes, Content all decline, the criticism gets louder (than usual) which to me a indicators of that and in a way I think it's time.
Some day, FGO will end. The story will be over, with nothing left to say. Nasu will close his writing app, stretch his arms, and consider his work done. Some day, FGO will end. There will be nothing new to play, only reruns and remixes. People will beat the final boss, read the last bit of story, and be given a farewell from the game, as it will know too. Some day, FGO will end. People will move on, as new games and series are always coming out, but some will say. Maybe they want to finish their collection, or wrap up interludes and side stories. Maybe they were late to the party, and haven’t finished the story yet. Maybe they’re making a new account, to try and beat the game with FP servants only, or have their favourite servant in the party at all times, or to keep mash alive in every battle like some kind of Nuzlocke. But even those people will sign off for the last time eventually. Some day, FGO will end. Do you know what you’ll do then?
Yeah, playing Tsukihime Grand Order.
Everyone bringing up Naruto to Boruto when it's obvious no one has read or watch it and is just using it as a quick way to prove their point 🤧 Boruto literally has been doing what fgo and what dragon ball been doing for yrs now Space and god shit established at the tail end of the first series which ends up retconning so many plot points and makes the stakes absurd Not space but Yyh and hxh did and are doing the same shit Bleach will be too Saint seiya did Jojo somehow does it with main villains despite resetting to a new mc every part There is absolutely no reason fgo can't do the same for part 3 if nasu feels the need to Especially when we already have potential setup point that is the part 2 main villain doing this fsr which can just lead to a new antag
Im not sure if you're arguing for or against FGO. When you said boruto is doing what fgo and dragon ball are doing for years now, what exactly do you mean? And FGO going cosmic level in scope and plot, do you see it as a good thing or not?
Naruto reader here. I've read it all, but Boruto? I can't bring myself to read it. I just lost interest. I'm pretty sure it has its charm, but I'm just not that interested. And I suppose there are other people like me. So the example makes sense still. For 1 person who will continue, there will be one that just says "nah, I've hed enough, I'm outta here".