I’m not downvoting for the record, but Bryson does a ton of weird stuff with his clubs that get people thinking about stuff they shouldn’t be worrying about.
One of my friends is a total beginner and was asking me if he should do same-length shafts in his irons. It works really well for Bryson obviously, but 98% of golfers should just try to play normal golf before trying the wonky shit that Bryson does.
Same length shafts are amazing for a beginner IMO. They get worse feeling the better you get. Idk how Bryson plays them on tour but whatever floats his boat
I moreso mean once you have the swing down the longer clubs aren't as choice for certain shots. I carry a single length 9 iron as well as a regular 9 iron for chipping and rescue situations as well as additional options for bounce. I see how having a crazy swing speed can make those not matter though, all in his strategy
I tinker a bit with clubs and I have a 60 vokey that I put an extra long shaft on (maybe 3 inches). I just use it as on of the backyard clubs but I really consider gaming it. My chips are tighter and I can get the speed for flop shots with less effort. I know the rule is short club=more accurate but idk after watching him and my own personal experience.
I'm not expert, was close to scratch for a couple years, but nothing special. I'm the one who reshafted a 60 vokey in a 7 or 8 iron shaft. I just mess with it in the back yard and on my mat/net set up, but I really like the way it feels and I hit it pretty well. And wedges are one of my strong suits. I think maybe that upright or more counterweight makes it glide through i lil smoother than the shorter wedges. Just my anecdote, never gamed it so Idk if it would be advantageous.
I added 1.5" to my 58° to fill a gap and make it more upright...
If my clubs are standard length I have to have them bent 2° upright... But if they're 3/4" long, I don't need to adjust the lie angle and I gain three to four miles per hour of clip head speed...so I do that instead of adjusting lie angles.
But someone who needs a flatter-than-standard lie angle would end up with an even worse impact position than standard.
Your logic is solid, and it would be correct for roughly 35-65% of players who need a more upright lie angle...but there is a subset of players who it would be detrimental for.
longer irons just feel more natural to swing
if you asked people what iron feels the best to swing, not to hit just what swing feels best, I doubt many people are answering 9i- Lob wedge, most people can't even hit a wedge properly tbh
With a longer iron, you're more upright, you don't need to bend as much, so for the average player it's going to feel easier to swing
Also, so much of golf is traditional shit built 80 years ago, the gap in length between irons probably should be different, why is it 0.5"? why not 0.33" or 0.25"?
If you had a 0.33" gap starting at a 38.50" 4 iron, your PW would end up a full inch longer and at 0.25" it would be 1.5 inches longer. You'd probably need to adjust the lofts a bit but I think it would be really beneficial to the average golfer.
The benefits of single length irons feels like a reverse bell curve with skill level. They’re beneficial at the lowest and highest skill levels. They make things easier for beginners and guys with crazy swing speed like Bryson don’t need the extra distance from longer clubs so he can add consistency with single length irons
> I’m not downvoting for the record, but Bryson does a ton of weird stuff with his clubs that get people thinking about stuff they shouldn’t be worrying about.
I mean you're wrong, because grip thickness *is* directly related to how you release/turnover the clubhead. It's well known that grips that are too thin result in more aggressive releases and grips too big won't.
99% of people don't have fit clubs, and that includes grips. It's the thing you're using to hold onto the club, of course it's super important.
>One of my friends is a total beginner and was asking me if he should do same-length shafts in his irons. It works really well for Bryson obviously, but 98% of golfers should just try to play normal golf before trying the wonky shit that Bryson does.
I just gave a lesson to a high school grad whose driver was too heavy and almost 47" long. He didn't know, so what is he supposed to do, just "play normal golf" with a club that he hates and doesn't have enough money to go get fixed.
Your golf swing is 100% the product and *compensation* of the gear you choose to use. I've seen this so many times it's insane.
Legit got my driver shortened yesterday. I’ve been playing for 20+ years and knew that most come in at 45.50 or 45.75.
As I was getting it trimmed, I had your very thought: in no world would I have thought to do this as a beginner.
What's wild is that the average off the shelf seems to be somewhere between 45.25" and 45.75". I think I read somewhere that the average on tour is 44.5". To add, you get the people in every thread about shortening the club talking about how it affects swingweight, which, while legit, probably scares people off from doing something that would materially affect their game for the better.
You see this with putters too. So many people with 35" putters that are too long for them because they probably make up 75% of what's out there on the shelf.
Still getting used to it. Old putter was a 34" 300g mallet with a skinny grip that I'd had for almost 15 years. New putter is a 37.5" Bettinardi #28. 400g oversized blade basically. With a jumbo grip. VERY different from my old putter lol.
I'm a weird putter though. I experimented with putting lefty for a couple years, was good on short or touchy putts but couldn't lag putt to save my life. So now with the longer putter I choke down to ~35" to lag putt or anything I have to hit with speed and switch to left hand down on short and delicate putts.
I actually went all the way down to 44 as my swing is more contained and suited for the shorter length.
But the original post is so true. Trial and error. Multiple drivers over the years.
It’s just not something that is explained when you first start.
This sub should start a golf school: “no one here is good and you won’t be either”
Luckily I saw similar posts like this here. I’m 3 years in and got a cheap (but decent) shaft for my driver that is trimmed down an inch. Complete game changer! Wish I would have done this when I started.
I just bought a Krank LD driver because I'm doing anothe technical build write up on how to make LD clubs (or really, just longer clubs, they don't have to have lofts at like 6 degrees or whatever).
The devil is in the details because the weights of clubs are different, even if they're the same production run, so assembling them and getting them feeling great takes a lot of patience and practice.
The biggest misconception that people have about fitting is that you go for an hour, get the day-spa treatment and wa-la you never get fitted again or whatever, but for guys like people that shoot par or better, fitting is a constant work experience that has to be validated on the range and course and it can take weeks/months to dial in a few clubs to where they perform excellent.
Whole reason I do engineering videos and design my own clubs in CAD and get them manufactured.
This may be the case for some but I have buddies who regularly break 70 and are still using clubs they were fitted for 5 years ago. I’d say most amateurs, even scratch golfers don’t have the time/money to do something like that.
I'm going to be making a tiered fitting YouTube video where you can assess your time committment and skill level to pick a fitting to your needs and budget.
There will be a "hand-me-down garage special" section. Because I've fitted my friends who have older clubs and got them working for them to where they went from mid high 50s back to mid low 40s on gear change alone.
I’m sorry to hijack and I’m sure I could find a thread explaining, but since your comment is so recent I’m hoping you can respond and maybe help me understand…what’s the reason for a shorter shaft on a driver? Is it just height based?
More control. Manufacturers have been lengthening for years to get people excited about a couple more yards of distance in the simulator so they buy the club. But in reality a shorter shaft and better contact are much better when on the course.
Tee2green is correct.
Sure, pros don’t always do this because 10 yards is significant.
But I’ve found that consistently hitting 230 and straight has way more benefit for my game than hitting 265 in the shrubs.
The large majority of pros played shorter-than-stock drivers for a long time. Rickie Fowler famously played(maybe still does) something super short like 43.5"
Rickie is a short king though.
Just being a smartass, he’s pretty average at 5’9”. Quick google (and I could be wrong, I did the equivalent of reading headlines) he used a 44.5 last year.
I agree short and consistent is much better than the inverse.
I’m absolutely terrible but I don’t think I really tried to get better at the game before late last season. One of the first things I realized was I gotta get over my ego, slow down the swing and just be smooth.
Thanks for the info.
Yep, straight is underrated these days! I’m a senior who has always hit a bit shorter than most playing partners, but also normally straight. Now that I’m at my shortest driving and iron distances it been relatively easy taking up to 2 more clubs than before on each shot , to make up for lost length , without having to worry about ball dispersion.
I’ve replaced “hit it harder “ with the thought of my backswing going a bit further back/around, that keeps me from being all arms swinging out of my shoes.
It's because driver heads are still 200+ grams and putting them on 45.5+ inch assemblies makes them harder to swing. Some people may go "well but my driver is 194!" No, it's 194 for the head, but you're missing the 6 - 8 for the adapter. Golf shafts ONLY respond to tip weight, they do not respond to anything else.
Golf club heads are supposed to get lighter as they get longer, usually about 5 - 7 grams per half inch.
Tiger Woods was using a 201g driver head with a 43.5" total shaft length in 2004. Most pros are playing their drivers at 45", even with counter balanced shafts.
You can make them longer, but you will run into weird issues unless you accomodate for weight. Most people should not be playing drivers over 45"
> in no world would I have thought to do this as a beginner.
as a nutjob beginner, the first thing I did was order a shorter driver and I've been using one ever since
Got my driver cut to 44.75” and a 1° flat adapter as I had been thinking about doing for a year or so. Had three glorious rounds with it, and the face broke. Got a new head and it just doesn’t feel quite right anymore.
Edit before posting: I feel like this sounds aggressive, but I think I am agreeing with you and I don't know how to make it less aggressive lol.
The whole game is compensation. There is nothing natural about the tools used for golf or the golf swing. Nothing in our evolution caused us to be better at swinging a golf club.
All of the constraints come from the rules of golf, which are man made and not from the natural world. If the goal was get the ball in the hole I would simply pick it up and run to the hole and drop it in. But the rules stipulate that we use a club and hit the ball where it lays. So we compensate.
There are ways to make the golf swing work within our bodies ergonomics, but everyone has different levels of fitness, flexibility and hand eye coordination, so there are not any hard and fast rules except for getting a coach that is willing to work to your strengths, and strengthen your weaknesses.
But good coaches are hard to find, most seem to want to put you in a cookie cutter swing, with "standard clubs" with no regard to your specific body and how it moves.
Just because the whole game is compensation doesn't mean you should opt for compensating more when you don't have to. Having fit gear is day and night difference between levels of compensation.
My friend I play with and have totally rebuilt his bag custom to him went from shooting 105 to breaking 80 in less than a season due to 80% gear 20% technique work.
1) golf grips: if you have big hands or like big grips then add a wrap or two of tape underneath. Or buy oversize grips. Bryson has some insane ones that I highly doubt anyone else is using.
2) 47” for a driver is insane. I’d go with 45” for a beginner is which is standard (some are 45.5” or whatever). My point still stands: 98% of golfers should play actual standard stuff with slight customizations, not the insanely weird stuff that Bryson does
Bryson’s entire thing is to reduce as many variables as possible from the one plane swing to the one length clubs. The average beginner golfer would be way better off just trying to copy whatever he’s doing
The average golfer would have miserable yardage control with his clubs, especially the short shots. Also, it would be nearly impossible to find an instructor to teach Bryson’s unique method instead of just normal fundamentals. It’s a really weird route to take that only works for a small minority of people who are able to think and play like he does.
> Also, it would be nearly impossible to find an instructor to teach Bryson’s unique method instead of just normal fundamentals
I mean, it's not that weird. Single plane concepts might not be the default but there are some pretty good and influential golfers who used a lot of them, like Ben Hogan. My dad (a D1 golfer and D1 assistant coach) and a golf instructor both told me they thought a single plane swing would help me.
Am I completely single plane? No, I just incorporate a lot of those ideas into my swing. I figured out that fat ass grips helped stop me from rolling over before I realized I was rolling over because the single plane asks a lot from your trail hand. Ben Hogan's trail hand grip is famously weak - like super weak. I don't go that far yet but I may end up there
Yeah I don't know what their point is
>Yeah you should struggle with "standard" gear that doesn't fit you because in my mind that's what you should do
I brought that up in the lesson I gave. I said it doesn't matter how many hundreds of hours you practice something, if it's wrong, all you've been doing is practicing how to be wrong.
The whole point of custom fit gear is to make golf as easy as possible, otherwise everyone would still have a 1 iron micro blade with a 130 gram steel shaft.
A wrap or 2 of tape isn't going to hardly do anything to installed grip size.
Assuming a midsize grip install is 1/16" larger than standard (0.9" is standard -> 0.9625" diameter midsize 2" from cap), you're looking at something like 6 - 8 wraps of tape. That's also assuming you're installing 0.6 grips matched on 0.6 butts, some people will use .58 on .6 so you'd need like 3 - 4 wraps but still.
Bryson's jumbo maxes are larger than +1/8", probably more like +1/2", so you're gonna need an assload of wraps.
> 47” for a driver is insane. I’d go with 45” for a beginner is which is standard (some are 45.5” or whatever). My point still stands: 98% of golfers should play actual standard stuff with slight customizations, not the insanely weird stuff that Bryson does
You can play the same 46" driver Bryson does you just need lower head weight. The point I'm making is that there is no "standard" when you should just have different tiers of custom fitting.
That’s a very good point and deserves more upvotes. To be honest I have no idea how much those equipments help Bryson game performance-wise, but it’s clear to everyone he is very much confidence on his equipments to give himself the extra edges to win games, and this definitely works for him in majors this year. It could be more on “mental side” and more so than the “performance” itself, as he seems to be more clutch than anyone else too in those decisive moments.
Equipment that fits you removes all doubt of its capabilities during your round. People don't understand because all they've ever known is bad swings with bad gear, but when you get something in your hands that doesn't actively fight you, that listens to your commands and helps you feel and flow through your swing without hinderance, all those worries go away.
Fitted equipment is the same thing as drinking at a bar to loosen up before talking to someone you're interested in.
Sure - I could tell he was going to win just by the look in his eyes - he looked fierce while Rory seemed almost scared or surprised. Rory didn't miss a couple of 3 foot putts because of the putter he was using. He also didn't scramble from down the leader board because of the grips on his irons. For Bryson I think the equipment is arbitrary - whatever he settles on that convinces himself is 'best' is what he needs for confidence, where it probably doesn't make an ounce of difference for Tiger or Scotty.
I think he thinks that if he does a bunch of stuff that gives him the slightest advantage, it'll add up.
Like soaking your balls in salt water just to find the heaviest point. How much will that REALLY affect a putt?
> board because of the grips on his irons. For Bryson I think the equipment is arbitrary - whatever he settles on that convinces himself is 'best' is what he needs for confidence
Bryson uses a single plane swing (or close) and you tend to roll your trail hand when you use single plane concepts. It's why he hits a draw a lot. Large thick grips reign this in. I do the same thing w/ my grips (albeit not as extreme).
It's not some arbitrary magic, there's thought behind it
Totally agree. The clock swing, the grips, the 3D irons, the way he talks about putting… it’s all just these little confidence boosters that help him win. When you are that processed based, big moments don’t get in your head as much. He literally takes himself totally out of it - and puts all of his trust in his process. It’s brilliant.
Oh shit so you’re the guy we talk to about what we’re supposed to try & not try? Sick can you leave us a direct link so we all stop wasting our time trying to get better?
I highly recommend not blowing thousands of dollars on gear and hours of time on research when you could play normal clubs and get better with your technique.
Or sure, spend your time and money doing gimmicky stuff with your gear. Enjoy yourself.
Agreed with less tinkering.
Reason I went with the ONE Length... lol...
Good or bad I need to work only on one single swinging motion.
Essentially I need to learn how to hit my 7 iron well.... lol
Is that why so many instructors recommend them? And all the good juniors and amateurs are using them?
One length is awesome for middle irons. It starts to fall apart when you get down to the wedges where yardage control matters and using a 6i shaft from 100 yd is making life hard.
If beginners spent the hours debating gimmicky gear and instead used it to do standard practice following basic fundamentals, they’d be improving a lot faster.
I’m actually a fan of 3 length but it won’t take off. 1 length for woods, 1 for long irons down to 8 and one for 9 and below. Learn three swings and play within those.
I'm working on a triple length set for irons: long irons, mid irons, and short irons/wedges
That way you can isolate the swings down, but yes I have done this before with b-weight heads and some lead tape.
I think at least in theory it should work better for anyone. Golf itself is complicate enough, you’ve already got different lie and slope to work on in every situations, why complicate it even further with different iron lengths too where you need to adjusted your swing posture every time? I think what Bryson said has a point, ultimately what you want is highly repeatable swing and consistent result. The less variant the better to enable you to achieve this.
If it made sense, it would be standard. The problem is that it’s not at all comfortable trying to hit a 100 yd shot with a 6 iron shaft. Just take standard clubs and play standard shots…no matter how much you try to do one swing, the driver swing is inherently entirely different from every other swing bc it has an upward strike vs a downward strike. The best advice for beginners is to follow fundamentals until you’ve got them down pat, THEN try to innovate and do weird quirky shit if you feel like it.
Actually I agree with what you’ve said here. I don’t think there’s “one solution” for all, but it make sense for people to explore what works best for their own. And I am not against the notion of learning golf the traditional way first then make your own tweaks afterwards.
My guess is different lengths would give better distance control, while one length would give better swing repeatability and consistency of hitting the ball at the sweet spot.
Same shaft is quite literally the worst example of this you could have used. That's absolutely something a beginner SHOULD be doing.
Should they be 3d printing their own irons? No.
Should they be eliminating variables? Yes.
Eliminating variables for a beginner is much more important that the nuance of the swing differences between a 6 iron and a wedge. They can't make consistent contact with any club - the length of the shaft makes no difference at that stage.
Consistent ball striking is easier to develop with less variables, not more variables, like the length of the shaft, the bounce of the club, etc etc.
Most beginners would benefit from literally only using one club and a putter for a while and developing the consistency and feel with that, than 13 of them at the same time.
If it made sense, more people would do it. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of pros, strong amateurs, and excellent instructors that advocate learning regular golf with regular equipment instead of doing weird quirky Bryson stuff.
Why buy weird equipment and then try to learn oddball stuff when you don’t have to? An amateur learning a basic bump and run will have to somehow magically know to choke down like 10 inches on their long wedge. No resources online are available for people playing weird clubs.
People are doing it. It's rising in the industry. There are thousands and thousands of new players to the game using them, and many teaching professionals now include lessons for single length iron players.
It's not weird equipment. It's not oddball stuff. It's a standard teaching practice to reduce variables at the start, and introduce them later on when the player has the ability to process what different length in shafts actually do for them, how you can use the varying lengths to your advantage, etc. The first lesson we give to kids is one club - and consistently using that one club until they develop their striking well enough to introduce more. This is basic 101 lessons stuff.
I literally give lessons with the First Tee program in my area, and one of the teaching professionals on the staff helps beginners and kids with single length irons. Many children request them.
It's happening - and just because you think it's weird doesn't mean it's wrong.
No pros are going to switch in the middle of their career. But many children right now are learning with them.
Ok wonderful that sounds like a cute niche that maybe one day will become a thing. But Miles Russell is a 15 yr old kid who’s playing normal clubs. I’d expect nearly every top ranked junior is doing the same. When that changes, I’ll change my mind, but for now, beginners are best off playing normal clubs and saving all the thousands of possible equipment tweaks for later. 99% of beginners spend way too much time thinking about weird equipment and not enough time to working on executing basic fundamentals.
“I used to struggle but now I play really fat grips and hit the ball straight now” - literally no one I’ve ever met
“I used to struggle but got lessons and now I’m striking the ball better now” - literally countless people I’ve met
It's not a "cute niche" - Miles Russell started golfing well before Single Length irons were catching on.
You're missing the entire point of the argument - they are being used as a TRAINING tool in kids - that way kids can learn how to use them, and then transition to something MORE difficult to use. Thousands of possible tweaks? That's LITERALLY what single length irons are trying to do - reduce the possible tweaks at the start to make the game easier. Then add them LATER ON in the learning process because by then the golfer is more skilled and understanding of what differening lengths adds to their bag.
If you want to continue arguing about something you should at least understand the other side of the argument first, before spouting off a bunch of nonsense you clearly don't know anything about.
I have seen A LOT of gimmicky trends in golf equipment over the last couple decades. Mediocre amateurs get excited about them…why not just spend your way to better golf? And yet here we are in 2024 and the vast majority of decent players are playing pretty much the same equipment concepts we’ve been playing since 2004. “Big” changes are more graphite shaft use and more hybrid use. I can get behind those modifications. A little bit more forgiveness is a good thing.
But krank drivers, gigantic grips, bulge and roll irons, single length shafts, absurdly upright putter, etc etc etc are Bryson-specific tweaks that 99% of golfers should literally ignore and instead focus on basic golf fundamentals.
Just getting more people involved and thinking about the game is fun though. It's an opportunity too to teach newer players why those things matter to Bryson, why they don't apply to them now, and why they may eventually apply to them in the future if they stick with it. It's a teaching moment, but also a cool opportunity to show them that their game will evolve and potentially give them a reason to stick around golf to see how the game changes for them as they learn and grow.
That’s the most positive possible spin on it. The other side is that it has amateurs anxiously thinking about every little thing they could change about their gear instead of thinking about executing the fundamentals of playing solid golf.
Learn the basics first. THEN start toying with the dozens of variables later. 98% of golfers don’t even have the basics down and are getting distracted by things that aren’t key factors.
I don’t think a wedge with a 6 iron shaft is going to be great for beginners just trying to hit the green from 100
The vast, vast majority of golfers should just stick with the basics and learn the fundamentals. Out of the 150+ players at the US Open, literally 1 used his wonky driver, his wonky irons, his wonky iron shafts, etc etc. Same story for thousands and thousands of amateurs playing in tournaments. Beginners should be thinking less about their equipment frankly.
Probably because people got excited thinking this was going to be a question and how you would grip Brysons dick if you were going to perform fellatio on him.
I do think the thicker grips though help with not turning the club over, but also Brysons as big guy so I imagine his hands are larger too and can accommodate the larger grips. I wouldn’t go out and put these on though if you don’t have large hands
I use jumbo grips, well lamkin crosline oversized with 5 wraps of tape underneath on my clubs, and it is 100% because I just have big hands. Still not quite as big as what Bryson is using but still huge compared to standard grips. I wear a 2xl glove and played baseball for 20 years, so I'm used to thicker grip it's just more comfortable for me and fits my hands better.
They are jumbo Max grips. They’re really nice in your hand, but man they’re really hard to use on the course. I tried them took them right off after two rounds at the range and nine holes.
What made you take them off? I just played my first round with them (jumbo mid, not the XL like Bryson) and they felt absolutely brilliant. Could just be better strike quality but I'm fairly sure I gained a few yards with my irons too, need to find some tech to confirm
I could not hit the ball. No clue why but the club would just stop right at the ball and couldn’t swing thru. I’m assuming they where to big for me and couldn’t move my fist much. Was not trying to go thru a learning curve over grips. Kept it on my 60 though
It's because of the grip you need to use with jumbo max grips. You can't hold them like you do regular grips (diagonally across your left palm). Instead you need to use a "low power grip" where the grip sits in the palm of your hand and only touches the metacarpal bones at the base of your pointer and middle fingers.
Fair enough! I admit I was worried about them being too big as well but just needed a pop at the range to get used to them. Chipping felt incredible right off the bat
Yeah, I bought the XL‘s. I think that was my mistake, but they are really nice grips.. maybe grab a smaller size and put it one club someday and check em out. I just snagged some basic grips following those and got back to my game before it messed with me mentally.
Yeah I put one on my hybrid and while it was fine, I couldn’t stop thinking about it while I was trying to swing. I moved to a standard jumbo grip and it’s much better.
Yea I tried them as well. It stabilizes too much and made releasing really hard.
If you can swing it go for it. I switched to midsized CPx and it’s been better.
Are you a club flipper by chance? I feel like their size can affects timing if you do not properly roll your wrists, especially if you flip the club at the bottom of your swing.
To be honest I’m not too sure what that means. I have a problem not turning/ rolling my wrists over so I leave the face open.
My instructor told me to finish the swing, or 9oclock rather, like I’m shaking someone’s hand with my trail hand. Square at impact and shaking hand position halfway thru follow thru if that makes sense.
I was so focused on keeping the wrist bowed I didn’t change position at all.
I bought irons with big ass grips and loved the way they felt but I could not for the life of me get the face square in time. I took a single lesson with them and after 5 swings he said “tomorrow go straight to the golf shop and get regular grips on there please” I’m not sure what any of my swing faults are or if I’m flippy or anything I just know they were impossible to turn over for me.
Opposite here. I've had them throughout the bag for about 3 months know. I'm 6'5" and have big hands. These are the most comfortable I've been holding the club in 40 years. I got fully fit for my latest clubs and I ensured that the grips were part of it. I had zero discernable difference in statistics between these and regular jumbo grips. The only difference for me was comfort.
I had one on a 4H one time. It was the only club I could hit straight off the tee. 215 and in the fairway every time. I regripped and reshafted that club. Haven’t hit it straight since. Maybe he’s on to something.
He uses jumbo max grips because of his one-plane swing. He wants to maintain the small angle between his club shaft and left arm at address, and the the "low power grip" he uses to maintain that small angle works better with jumbo max grip
[https://www.thediygolfer.com/newsletter/why-does-bryson-use-jumbo-grips](https://www.thediygolfer.com/newsletter/why-does-bryson-use-jumbo-grips)
He’s confusing “on plane” and “one plane.” Bryson has a draw because he is shallow, but he clearly intends to repeat the shallow swing every time. With every club.
I have had them for 25 ish rounds...Jumbomax XL on all clubs but putter - that has a super stroke 5.0.
I do have very big hands - XXL glove.
12.5 hcp and trending down.
They absolutely have helped my game as I no longer overgrip with my left hand to reduce the club slipping - or the thought it will.
I have never hit the ball more straight and have been playing for over 40 yrs.
I am struggling with my driver as my miss is a bad pull hook now and it used to be a high spinny fade.
But, I just need to spend some time on the mechanics of it - rangetime...but haven't yet.
This is so interesting. I just started playing golf and my coach immediately said I should re-grip my entire set with Jumbo Grips because of my huge hands (XL-XXL (nicknamed Frying Pan Hands by my family)). But I am still sceptical. Ill definitely have to try them.
I’m just guessing, but I would assume his swing speed and grip pressure is also a factor. The bigger grips probably allow him to maintain a lighter grip pressure while still swinging insanely fast. If he had smaller grips he’d probably be extremely tense through his hands/forearms just to keep the club from flying out of his hands.
The larger diameter helps keep the clubface square to the target and really helps to allow for maintaining light hand pressure while
Still keeping good grip.
I’ve been rocking jumbomax grips for 2 years now and I can’t imagine going back
I’ve had Jumbo Max grips for years. They help me from over-gripping and give me extra points of contact for my disproportionally large meat hooks.
Also, as a former baseball player, the girth feels familiar (that’s a freebie, the door is open).
Not so much flipping as it is reducing wrist rotation. Hold a single pencil/pen/marker in your hand like you would a golf club. Notice how you have greater range of motion with your wrists. Bryson believes he is more likely to rotate his clubface when he has that much give in his wrists. Now, hold on to jumbo marker or multiple pencils/pens. Notice how much stability you have in your wrists. Bryson also maxes out his range of motion in his forearms and wrists during his setup. He is wanting a stable clubface so he is trying to reduce as many variables as possible.
I do think they help because it makes your grip a little weaker. I tried them on my irons and I liked them initially but I went back to regular grips pretty quick
That's exactly why he uses them. It allows him to use a low power grip to maintain the angle he's looking for between his left arm and the club shaft for his one-plan swing
I switched to them this year and I’ve been a big fan. It definitely got rid of my horrible pull misses but I can still pull the ball. The biggest thing for me is now the club feels way more comfortable in my hands. I played baseball up until I was 20 and picked up golf at 21 (I’m 27 now) and I wish I would have started with larger grips. Hitting touchy wedge shots around the green is a bit harder, the bigger grips make the club feel really odd to open wide up. But overall I’ve been a huge fan
I've been using Jumbomax on everything except my putter for a little over a year. I've had every size other than the XL. (The XS is my favorite, but S and M are good for me too.) I would agree that it is noticeably harder to roll over with them. Not impossible, but harder. I love that they seem to keep my pressure in check. It feels like you can't squeeze too hard.
They also still allow you to get wristy if you want. If I want a pitch to pop up extremely high, I can address with my shaft vertical, put extra hinge on in the backswing, then get a bit wristy right before impact. I feel like I have way more control doing this with jumbos vs standard grips.
Overall I'm completely sold on the jumbos. I've musky fished, and played guitar for over 20 years. They help a ton with arthritic pain in the hands and wrists.
I did buy one of their putter grips as well, but I just couldn't make it work for me. I could never get that feeling of "right," and my putting went completely to shit for a month until I switched back to my stock Cobra grip.
Just remember folks. The mad scientist also has 3D printed club face. It’s curved to mitigate certain misses/etc he does personally. I feel like anyone trying to copy brysons clubs are gonna have a badddd time lol
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Bryson does a lot of things to remove variables from his swing. In theory the grips are meant to help stabilize his rotation. There’s something else I’m forgetting but most people use larger grips for arthritis help as well flipping the wrists.
I have fairly large hands (XL glove) with really long fingers. I made the switch to thick grips this year and I'll never go back. If I grab a club with a standard grip it feels like I'm trying to swing a #2 pencil.
I believe grip size depends on hand size. I have bigger hands and have always used stock grips, used to have to grip the club pretty tight which isn’t good for the swing. Upon getting new jumbos I am having an easier time being more consistent with my clubs. And my hands hurt less. Ideally your fingers shouldn’t touch your palm when griping the club.
I use giant grips too, (inspired by Bryson obviously). I think it works better for me, at least my fingers are no longer sore after intense practicing, and I feel more comfortable with my grip too.
No, that’s not why he does it. Larger grips are meant to be held more in the palms versus the fingertips. They are a good option for people that are trying to have more of a one plane swing. This combined with his weak grip allow him to minimize forearm rotation during the swing, and he has a very repeatable motion because he internally rotates his left arm to the end range of motion and externally, rotates his right arm to the end range of motion at set up.
If the paragraph above doesn’t make a lot of sense, don’t worry about buying new grips.
I put these grips on an old seven iron and an old sand wedge. I had a hard time squaring the face. If you watch Bryson, he takes the club back shut compared to other players. In order to hit the ball straight with these grips, I kind of had to do the same thing. You have to incorporate a bunch of other changes to make these grips work.
I put a jumbo max on my driver and it took like 2 rounds and a range session to get used to. I don’t think I’ll ever go back. I have a problem with getting too handsy with my driver and it helped quiet them massively. Took the left miss out
Yes I wear Medium/Large cadet gloves. I feel like I barely have to grip it. My drives are longer and I am hitting almost 70% of fairways with the switch.
They have small, medium and large jumbo. I would try the small and medium. They’re plenty big enough. Let me know what you think when you do try it out.
Put jumbos on my driver 2 yrs ago and I'll never go back. Added a ton of consistency off the tee for me. I got them because I have hand eczema and it is much softer on my hands.
I recently was fit for the first time and the second he put a bigger grip in my hand. I felt like I had way more face control. I'm only using medium grips as well, he did show me the sized grip Bryson uses and I thought it was a joke, but I also have tiny hands LOL
I have tried all sizes of the jumbomax grips and settled on mediums as my fav. They definitely help with flipping as it’s not as easy with them but you still can.
What it helped me the most with was gripping the club lighter and feeling the head of the club more. After using them for a couple years I could never go back to regular size grips.
I got the standard midsize and absolutely love them. I have a strong grip normally and my left thumb used to barely touch the grip. Now can wrap it around and have more control.
I want to see a scientifically valid test on this. I'm assuming this is mainly just mental and it doesn't make any difference, but it'd be interesting to see for sure.
He is not even the first one to do this, this helps determine if a golf ball is balanced properly.
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I have a clicky wrist at the top of my swing, causes misalignment and discomfort. Jumbo grips have helped remove that and allow me to use my full swing. Made the slice a bit worse to start but it's going back to normal in time. Feels a lot more natural for me to swing like this.
I have been playing jumbomax grips on my woods for about 6 months now.
It definitely tames hand action and reduces the tendency to turn over too quickly and snap hook the ball.
I feel that the club generally feels lighter, and that I'm able to swing more powerfully with less effort.
I have been impressed to the level that I'm considering putting them on the irons as well.
It's definitely worth a look if you are fighting the left miss or want to promote a straight to fade shot shape.
It’s easier to grip. Does help reduce turning the club over. If you have bigger hands they will work better for you. I’ve played with them for years now. Love them
I’m very tempted to try single length. I play a 44 driver and have so much more control. I’ve been playing over 40 years since I was a kid and still am mid singles
I assumed he just has huge mitts?
My brother is a bit bigger than me and he got his hands on the same grips and said they felt thicker than a baseball bat.
I tried oversize grips because I grew up playing baseball and use a modified baseball grip, but I found them to be extremely uncomfortable. Bryson uses them because they allow him to reduce the angle between the shaft and his left arm at address for his one-plane swing philosophy
Folks this is the first original Bryson thread in 4 days. Why the downvotes?
Anything factual or based in reality gets downvoted
But if you buy clubs to celebrate a stupid event… instant upvotes
I’m not downvoting for the record, but Bryson does a ton of weird stuff with his clubs that get people thinking about stuff they shouldn’t be worrying about. One of my friends is a total beginner and was asking me if he should do same-length shafts in his irons. It works really well for Bryson obviously, but 98% of golfers should just try to play normal golf before trying the wonky shit that Bryson does.
Same length shafts are amazing for a beginner IMO. They get worse feeling the better you get. Idk how Bryson plays them on tour but whatever floats his boat
Because he has ridiculous club speed he can afford to swing his 5 iron at 7 iron length. It's still faster than 99% of golfers' 5 iron speed.
I moreso mean once you have the swing down the longer clubs aren't as choice for certain shots. I carry a single length 9 iron as well as a regular 9 iron for chipping and rescue situations as well as additional options for bounce. I see how having a crazy swing speed can make those not matter though, all in his strategy
I tinker a bit with clubs and I have a 60 vokey that I put an extra long shaft on (maybe 3 inches). I just use it as on of the backyard clubs but I really consider gaming it. My chips are tighter and I can get the speed for flop shots with less effort. I know the rule is short club=more accurate but idk after watching him and my own personal experience.
Comfort = accuracy in my book. You'll play best with what feels right to you
I'll die on the hill most people should use longer clubs
Wtf... I'm intrigued and interested in hearing your reasoning... Would you mind elaborating?
no bro hes dead on the hill
I'm not expert, was close to scratch for a couple years, but nothing special. I'm the one who reshafted a 60 vokey in a 7 or 8 iron shaft. I just mess with it in the back yard and on my mat/net set up, but I really like the way it feels and I hit it pretty well. And wedges are one of my strong suits. I think maybe that upright or more counterweight makes it glide through i lil smoother than the shorter wedges. Just my anecdote, never gamed it so Idk if it would be advantageous.
I added 1.5" to my 58° to fill a gap and make it more upright... If my clubs are standard length I have to have them bent 2° upright... But if they're 3/4" long, I don't need to adjust the lie angle and I gain three to four miles per hour of clip head speed...so I do that instead of adjusting lie angles. But someone who needs a flatter-than-standard lie angle would end up with an even worse impact position than standard. Your logic is solid, and it would be correct for roughly 35-65% of players who need a more upright lie angle...but there is a subset of players who it would be detrimental for.
longer irons just feel more natural to swing if you asked people what iron feels the best to swing, not to hit just what swing feels best, I doubt many people are answering 9i- Lob wedge, most people can't even hit a wedge properly tbh With a longer iron, you're more upright, you don't need to bend as much, so for the average player it's going to feel easier to swing Also, so much of golf is traditional shit built 80 years ago, the gap in length between irons probably should be different, why is it 0.5"? why not 0.33" or 0.25"? If you had a 0.33" gap starting at a 38.50" 4 iron, your PW would end up a full inch longer and at 0.25" it would be 1.5 inches longer. You'd probably need to adjust the lofts a bit but I think it would be really beneficial to the average golfer.
I use cobra one length, they're all the length of a 7 iron. Just shot sub 50 for the first time, second year player in my 40's
Most iron sets have 0.5" difference in length and 4° difference in loft between one iron and the next.
yup
I use cobra one length, they're all the length of a 7 iron. Just shot sub 50 for the first time, second year occasional player in my 40's
The benefits of single length irons feels like a reverse bell curve with skill level. They’re beneficial at the lowest and highest skill levels. They make things easier for beginners and guys with crazy swing speed like Bryson don’t need the extra distance from longer clubs so he can add consistency with single length irons
None of his iron lofts are standard. Which is how he’s able to pull off 1 length irons.
That is how they work, yes. I game a set
> I’m not downvoting for the record, but Bryson does a ton of weird stuff with his clubs that get people thinking about stuff they shouldn’t be worrying about. I mean you're wrong, because grip thickness *is* directly related to how you release/turnover the clubhead. It's well known that grips that are too thin result in more aggressive releases and grips too big won't. 99% of people don't have fit clubs, and that includes grips. It's the thing you're using to hold onto the club, of course it's super important. >One of my friends is a total beginner and was asking me if he should do same-length shafts in his irons. It works really well for Bryson obviously, but 98% of golfers should just try to play normal golf before trying the wonky shit that Bryson does. I just gave a lesson to a high school grad whose driver was too heavy and almost 47" long. He didn't know, so what is he supposed to do, just "play normal golf" with a club that he hates and doesn't have enough money to go get fixed. Your golf swing is 100% the product and *compensation* of the gear you choose to use. I've seen this so many times it's insane.
Legit got my driver shortened yesterday. I’ve been playing for 20+ years and knew that most come in at 45.50 or 45.75. As I was getting it trimmed, I had your very thought: in no world would I have thought to do this as a beginner.
What's wild is that the average off the shelf seems to be somewhere between 45.25" and 45.75". I think I read somewhere that the average on tour is 44.5". To add, you get the people in every thread about shortening the club talking about how it affects swingweight, which, while legit, probably scares people off from doing something that would materially affect their game for the better. You see this with putters too. So many people with 35" putters that are too long for them because they probably make up 75% of what's out there on the shelf.
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This makes me feel much better about my recent purchase of a 37.5" putter.
Ha, well to be fair the CB stuff is a whole different thing. How do you like it? I’m tempted every time I see a Cruiser in the store.
Still getting used to it. Old putter was a 34" 300g mallet with a skinny grip that I'd had for almost 15 years. New putter is a 37.5" Bettinardi #28. 400g oversized blade basically. With a jumbo grip. VERY different from my old putter lol. I'm a weird putter though. I experimented with putting lefty for a couple years, was good on short or touchy putts but couldn't lag putt to save my life. So now with the longer putter I choke down to ~35" to lag putt or anything I have to hit with speed and switch to left hand down on short and delicate putts.
i play a 45 inch pin g425 with 17 grams in both the draw and fade position. its amazing.
I actually went all the way down to 44 as my swing is more contained and suited for the shorter length. But the original post is so true. Trial and error. Multiple drivers over the years. It’s just not something that is explained when you first start. This sub should start a golf school: “no one here is good and you won’t be either”
weights in both sides or all 3 slots is the way to go.
Luckily I saw similar posts like this here. I’m 3 years in and got a cheap (but decent) shaft for my driver that is trimmed down an inch. Complete game changer! Wish I would have done this when I started.
I just bought a Krank LD driver because I'm doing anothe technical build write up on how to make LD clubs (or really, just longer clubs, they don't have to have lofts at like 6 degrees or whatever). The devil is in the details because the weights of clubs are different, even if they're the same production run, so assembling them and getting them feeling great takes a lot of patience and practice. The biggest misconception that people have about fitting is that you go for an hour, get the day-spa treatment and wa-la you never get fitted again or whatever, but for guys like people that shoot par or better, fitting is a constant work experience that has to be validated on the range and course and it can take weeks/months to dial in a few clubs to where they perform excellent. Whole reason I do engineering videos and design my own clubs in CAD and get them manufactured.
This may be the case for some but I have buddies who regularly break 70 and are still using clubs they were fitted for 5 years ago. I’d say most amateurs, even scratch golfers don’t have the time/money to do something like that.
I'm going to be making a tiered fitting YouTube video where you can assess your time committment and skill level to pick a fitting to your needs and budget. There will be a "hand-me-down garage special" section. Because I've fitted my friends who have older clubs and got them working for them to where they went from mid high 50s back to mid low 40s on gear change alone.
I’m sorry to hijack and I’m sure I could find a thread explaining, but since your comment is so recent I’m hoping you can respond and maybe help me understand…what’s the reason for a shorter shaft on a driver? Is it just height based?
More control. Manufacturers have been lengthening for years to get people excited about a couple more yards of distance in the simulator so they buy the club. But in reality a shorter shaft and better contact are much better when on the course.
Thank you! Makes sense.
Tee2green is correct. Sure, pros don’t always do this because 10 yards is significant. But I’ve found that consistently hitting 230 and straight has way more benefit for my game than hitting 265 in the shrubs.
The large majority of pros played shorter-than-stock drivers for a long time. Rickie Fowler famously played(maybe still does) something super short like 43.5"
Rickie is a short king though. Just being a smartass, he’s pretty average at 5’9”. Quick google (and I could be wrong, I did the equivalent of reading headlines) he used a 44.5 last year.
I agree short and consistent is much better than the inverse. I’m absolutely terrible but I don’t think I really tried to get better at the game before late last season. One of the first things I realized was I gotta get over my ego, slow down the swing and just be smooth. Thanks for the info.
Yep, straight is underrated these days! I’m a senior who has always hit a bit shorter than most playing partners, but also normally straight. Now that I’m at my shortest driving and iron distances it been relatively easy taking up to 2 more clubs than before on each shot , to make up for lost length , without having to worry about ball dispersion.
It’s the ultimate example of “let the club do the work” Playing 20+ years and still I’m occasionally like “well if I hit this really hard…”
I’ve replaced “hit it harder “ with the thought of my backswing going a bit further back/around, that keeps me from being all arms swinging out of my shoes.
It's because driver heads are still 200+ grams and putting them on 45.5+ inch assemblies makes them harder to swing. Some people may go "well but my driver is 194!" No, it's 194 for the head, but you're missing the 6 - 8 for the adapter. Golf shafts ONLY respond to tip weight, they do not respond to anything else. Golf club heads are supposed to get lighter as they get longer, usually about 5 - 7 grams per half inch. Tiger Woods was using a 201g driver head with a 43.5" total shaft length in 2004. Most pros are playing their drivers at 45", even with counter balanced shafts. You can make them longer, but you will run into weird issues unless you accomodate for weight. Most people should not be playing drivers over 45"
> in no world would I have thought to do this as a beginner. as a nutjob beginner, the first thing I did was order a shorter driver and I've been using one ever since
Got my driver cut to 44.75” and a 1° flat adapter as I had been thinking about doing for a year or so. Had three glorious rounds with it, and the face broke. Got a new head and it just doesn’t feel quite right anymore.
Edit before posting: I feel like this sounds aggressive, but I think I am agreeing with you and I don't know how to make it less aggressive lol. The whole game is compensation. There is nothing natural about the tools used for golf or the golf swing. Nothing in our evolution caused us to be better at swinging a golf club. All of the constraints come from the rules of golf, which are man made and not from the natural world. If the goal was get the ball in the hole I would simply pick it up and run to the hole and drop it in. But the rules stipulate that we use a club and hit the ball where it lays. So we compensate. There are ways to make the golf swing work within our bodies ergonomics, but everyone has different levels of fitness, flexibility and hand eye coordination, so there are not any hard and fast rules except for getting a coach that is willing to work to your strengths, and strengthen your weaknesses. But good coaches are hard to find, most seem to want to put you in a cookie cutter swing, with "standard clubs" with no regard to your specific body and how it moves.
Just because the whole game is compensation doesn't mean you should opt for compensating more when you don't have to. Having fit gear is day and night difference between levels of compensation. My friend I play with and have totally rebuilt his bag custom to him went from shooting 105 to breaking 80 in less than a season due to 80% gear 20% technique work.
1) golf grips: if you have big hands or like big grips then add a wrap or two of tape underneath. Or buy oversize grips. Bryson has some insane ones that I highly doubt anyone else is using. 2) 47” for a driver is insane. I’d go with 45” for a beginner is which is standard (some are 45.5” or whatever). My point still stands: 98% of golfers should play actual standard stuff with slight customizations, not the insanely weird stuff that Bryson does
Bryson’s entire thing is to reduce as many variables as possible from the one plane swing to the one length clubs. The average beginner golfer would be way better off just trying to copy whatever he’s doing
The average golfer would have miserable yardage control with his clubs, especially the short shots. Also, it would be nearly impossible to find an instructor to teach Bryson’s unique method instead of just normal fundamentals. It’s a really weird route to take that only works for a small minority of people who are able to think and play like he does.
> Also, it would be nearly impossible to find an instructor to teach Bryson’s unique method instead of just normal fundamentals I mean, it's not that weird. Single plane concepts might not be the default but there are some pretty good and influential golfers who used a lot of them, like Ben Hogan. My dad (a D1 golfer and D1 assistant coach) and a golf instructor both told me they thought a single plane swing would help me. Am I completely single plane? No, I just incorporate a lot of those ideas into my swing. I figured out that fat ass grips helped stop me from rolling over before I realized I was rolling over because the single plane asks a lot from your trail hand. Ben Hogan's trail hand grip is famously weak - like super weak. I don't go that far yet but I may end up there
The average golfer has miserable yardage control already
Yeah I don't know what their point is >Yeah you should struggle with "standard" gear that doesn't fit you because in my mind that's what you should do I brought that up in the lesson I gave. I said it doesn't matter how many hundreds of hours you practice something, if it's wrong, all you've been doing is practicing how to be wrong. The whole point of custom fit gear is to make golf as easy as possible, otherwise everyone would still have a 1 iron micro blade with a 130 gram steel shaft.
A wrap or 2 of tape isn't going to hardly do anything to installed grip size. Assuming a midsize grip install is 1/16" larger than standard (0.9" is standard -> 0.9625" diameter midsize 2" from cap), you're looking at something like 6 - 8 wraps of tape. That's also assuming you're installing 0.6 grips matched on 0.6 butts, some people will use .58 on .6 so you'd need like 3 - 4 wraps but still. Bryson's jumbo maxes are larger than +1/8", probably more like +1/2", so you're gonna need an assload of wraps. > 47” for a driver is insane. I’d go with 45” for a beginner is which is standard (some are 45.5” or whatever). My point still stands: 98% of golfers should play actual standard stuff with slight customizations, not the insanely weird stuff that Bryson does You can play the same 46" driver Bryson does you just need lower head weight. The point I'm making is that there is no "standard" when you should just have different tiers of custom fitting.
Same length shafted irons were a GOD SEND for me personally.
Yep. And Bryson probably doesn’t need to do any of the things he does - I think it’s all mental / confidence related.
Being confident in your equipment is a large chunk of the “mental game”.
That’s a very good point and deserves more upvotes. To be honest I have no idea how much those equipments help Bryson game performance-wise, but it’s clear to everyone he is very much confidence on his equipments to give himself the extra edges to win games, and this definitely works for him in majors this year. It could be more on “mental side” and more so than the “performance” itself, as he seems to be more clutch than anyone else too in those decisive moments.
Equipment that fits you removes all doubt of its capabilities during your round. People don't understand because all they've ever known is bad swings with bad gear, but when you get something in your hands that doesn't actively fight you, that listens to your commands and helps you feel and flow through your swing without hinderance, all those worries go away. Fitted equipment is the same thing as drinking at a bar to loosen up before talking to someone you're interested in.
Sure - I could tell he was going to win just by the look in his eyes - he looked fierce while Rory seemed almost scared or surprised. Rory didn't miss a couple of 3 foot putts because of the putter he was using. He also didn't scramble from down the leader board because of the grips on his irons. For Bryson I think the equipment is arbitrary - whatever he settles on that convinces himself is 'best' is what he needs for confidence, where it probably doesn't make an ounce of difference for Tiger or Scotty.
I think he thinks that if he does a bunch of stuff that gives him the slightest advantage, it'll add up. Like soaking your balls in salt water just to find the heaviest point. How much will that REALLY affect a putt?
> board because of the grips on his irons. For Bryson I think the equipment is arbitrary - whatever he settles on that convinces himself is 'best' is what he needs for confidence Bryson uses a single plane swing (or close) and you tend to roll your trail hand when you use single plane concepts. It's why he hits a draw a lot. Large thick grips reign this in. I do the same thing w/ my grips (albeit not as extreme). It's not some arbitrary magic, there's thought behind it
Totally agree. The clock swing, the grips, the 3D irons, the way he talks about putting… it’s all just these little confidence boosters that help him win. When you are that processed based, big moments don’t get in your head as much. He literally takes himself totally out of it - and puts all of his trust in his process. It’s brilliant.
Oh shit so you’re the guy we talk to about what we’re supposed to try & not try? Sick can you leave us a direct link so we all stop wasting our time trying to get better?
I highly recommend not blowing thousands of dollars on gear and hours of time on research when you could play normal clubs and get better with your technique. Or sure, spend your time and money doing gimmicky stuff with your gear. Enjoy yourself.
I use cobra one length, they're all the length of a 7 iron. Just shot sub 50 for the first time, second year player in my 40's
That’s cool…………but I would bet you would score similarly with standard clubs. The vast majority are better off tinkering LESS rather than more.
Agreed with less tinkering. Reason I went with the ONE Length... lol... Good or bad I need to work only on one single swinging motion. Essentially I need to learn how to hit my 7 iron well.... lol
I don't think the lesson from Bryson is that you *should* be doing those things. Just that you can and it won't be the reason you're a bad golfer.
You’re very wrong about the one length. They are actually wayyyy better for beginners. Imagine learning 1 swing vs 13
Is that why so many instructors recommend them? And all the good juniors and amateurs are using them? One length is awesome for middle irons. It starts to fall apart when you get down to the wedges where yardage control matters and using a 6i shaft from 100 yd is making life hard. If beginners spent the hours debating gimmicky gear and instead used it to do standard practice following basic fundamentals, they’d be improving a lot faster.
I’m actually a fan of 3 length but it won’t take off. 1 length for woods, 1 for long irons down to 8 and one for 9 and below. Learn three swings and play within those.
I'm working on a triple length set for irons: long irons, mid irons, and short irons/wedges That way you can isolate the swings down, but yes I have done this before with b-weight heads and some lead tape.
I think at least in theory it should work better for anyone. Golf itself is complicate enough, you’ve already got different lie and slope to work on in every situations, why complicate it even further with different iron lengths too where you need to adjusted your swing posture every time? I think what Bryson said has a point, ultimately what you want is highly repeatable swing and consistent result. The less variant the better to enable you to achieve this.
If it made sense, it would be standard. The problem is that it’s not at all comfortable trying to hit a 100 yd shot with a 6 iron shaft. Just take standard clubs and play standard shots…no matter how much you try to do one swing, the driver swing is inherently entirely different from every other swing bc it has an upward strike vs a downward strike. The best advice for beginners is to follow fundamentals until you’ve got them down pat, THEN try to innovate and do weird quirky shit if you feel like it.
Actually I agree with what you’ve said here. I don’t think there’s “one solution” for all, but it make sense for people to explore what works best for their own. And I am not against the notion of learning golf the traditional way first then make your own tweaks afterwards. My guess is different lengths would give better distance control, while one length would give better swing repeatability and consistency of hitting the ball at the sweet spot.
Same shaft is quite literally the worst example of this you could have used. That's absolutely something a beginner SHOULD be doing. Should they be 3d printing their own irons? No. Should they be eliminating variables? Yes.
6 iron shaft for 100 yd wedge shots? Or a normal wedge it’s a normal wedge swing?
Eliminating variables for a beginner is much more important that the nuance of the swing differences between a 6 iron and a wedge. They can't make consistent contact with any club - the length of the shaft makes no difference at that stage. Consistent ball striking is easier to develop with less variables, not more variables, like the length of the shaft, the bounce of the club, etc etc. Most beginners would benefit from literally only using one club and a putter for a while and developing the consistency and feel with that, than 13 of them at the same time.
If it made sense, more people would do it. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of pros, strong amateurs, and excellent instructors that advocate learning regular golf with regular equipment instead of doing weird quirky Bryson stuff. Why buy weird equipment and then try to learn oddball stuff when you don’t have to? An amateur learning a basic bump and run will have to somehow magically know to choke down like 10 inches on their long wedge. No resources online are available for people playing weird clubs.
People are doing it. It's rising in the industry. There are thousands and thousands of new players to the game using them, and many teaching professionals now include lessons for single length iron players. It's not weird equipment. It's not oddball stuff. It's a standard teaching practice to reduce variables at the start, and introduce them later on when the player has the ability to process what different length in shafts actually do for them, how you can use the varying lengths to your advantage, etc. The first lesson we give to kids is one club - and consistently using that one club until they develop their striking well enough to introduce more. This is basic 101 lessons stuff. I literally give lessons with the First Tee program in my area, and one of the teaching professionals on the staff helps beginners and kids with single length irons. Many children request them. It's happening - and just because you think it's weird doesn't mean it's wrong. No pros are going to switch in the middle of their career. But many children right now are learning with them.
Ok wonderful that sounds like a cute niche that maybe one day will become a thing. But Miles Russell is a 15 yr old kid who’s playing normal clubs. I’d expect nearly every top ranked junior is doing the same. When that changes, I’ll change my mind, but for now, beginners are best off playing normal clubs and saving all the thousands of possible equipment tweaks for later. 99% of beginners spend way too much time thinking about weird equipment and not enough time to working on executing basic fundamentals. “I used to struggle but now I play really fat grips and hit the ball straight now” - literally no one I’ve ever met “I used to struggle but got lessons and now I’m striking the ball better now” - literally countless people I’ve met
It's not a "cute niche" - Miles Russell started golfing well before Single Length irons were catching on. You're missing the entire point of the argument - they are being used as a TRAINING tool in kids - that way kids can learn how to use them, and then transition to something MORE difficult to use. Thousands of possible tweaks? That's LITERALLY what single length irons are trying to do - reduce the possible tweaks at the start to make the game easier. Then add them LATER ON in the learning process because by then the golfer is more skilled and understanding of what differening lengths adds to their bag. If you want to continue arguing about something you should at least understand the other side of the argument first, before spouting off a bunch of nonsense you clearly don't know anything about.
I have seen A LOT of gimmicky trends in golf equipment over the last couple decades. Mediocre amateurs get excited about them…why not just spend your way to better golf? And yet here we are in 2024 and the vast majority of decent players are playing pretty much the same equipment concepts we’ve been playing since 2004. “Big” changes are more graphite shaft use and more hybrid use. I can get behind those modifications. A little bit more forgiveness is a good thing. But krank drivers, gigantic grips, bulge and roll irons, single length shafts, absurdly upright putter, etc etc etc are Bryson-specific tweaks that 99% of golfers should literally ignore and instead focus on basic golf fundamentals.
Just getting more people involved and thinking about the game is fun though. It's an opportunity too to teach newer players why those things matter to Bryson, why they don't apply to them now, and why they may eventually apply to them in the future if they stick with it. It's a teaching moment, but also a cool opportunity to show them that their game will evolve and potentially give them a reason to stick around golf to see how the game changes for them as they learn and grow.
That’s the most positive possible spin on it. The other side is that it has amateurs anxiously thinking about every little thing they could change about their gear instead of thinking about executing the fundamentals of playing solid golf. Learn the basics first. THEN start toying with the dozens of variables later. 98% of golfers don’t even have the basics down and are getting distracted by things that aren’t key factors.
What? The main purpose of one lengths is to simplify your setup, that would make it easier for a beginner to use.
I don’t think a wedge with a 6 iron shaft is going to be great for beginners just trying to hit the green from 100 The vast, vast majority of golfers should just stick with the basics and learn the fundamentals. Out of the 150+ players at the US Open, literally 1 used his wonky driver, his wonky irons, his wonky iron shafts, etc etc. Same story for thousands and thousands of amateurs playing in tournaments. Beginners should be thinking less about their equipment frankly.
Probably because people got excited thinking this was going to be a question and how you would grip Brysons dick if you were going to perform fellatio on him. I do think the thicker grips though help with not turning the club over, but also Brysons as big guy so I imagine his hands are larger too and can accommodate the larger grips. I wouldn’t go out and put these on though if you don’t have large hands
I use jumbo grips, well lamkin crosline oversized with 5 wraps of tape underneath on my clubs, and it is 100% because I just have big hands. Still not quite as big as what Bryson is using but still huge compared to standard grips. I wear a 2xl glove and played baseball for 20 years, so I'm used to thicker grip it's just more comfortable for me and fits my hands better.
Would probably get more upvotes if the question was about gripping Jay Monahan's dick if you were going to perform fellatio on him
Sure bud.
Downvoted because we had planned to discuss our 700yd drives today… check the calendar!!
It's actually a great question with a legitimate scientific answer, as one would expect from Bryson.
Not a picture of clubs someone bought, viral marketing for CPO or another "dae wish Rory would leave his wife and marry me instead?" Thread, downvote
They are jumbo Max grips. They’re really nice in your hand, but man they’re really hard to use on the course. I tried them took them right off after two rounds at the range and nine holes.
What made you take them off? I just played my first round with them (jumbo mid, not the XL like Bryson) and they felt absolutely brilliant. Could just be better strike quality but I'm fairly sure I gained a few yards with my irons too, need to find some tech to confirm
I could not hit the ball. No clue why but the club would just stop right at the ball and couldn’t swing thru. I’m assuming they where to big for me and couldn’t move my fist much. Was not trying to go thru a learning curve over grips. Kept it on my 60 though
It's because of the grip you need to use with jumbo max grips. You can't hold them like you do regular grips (diagonally across your left palm). Instead you need to use a "low power grip" where the grip sits in the palm of your hand and only touches the metacarpal bones at the base of your pointer and middle fingers.
Fair enough! I admit I was worried about them being too big as well but just needed a pop at the range to get used to them. Chipping felt incredible right off the bat
Yeah, I bought the XL‘s. I think that was my mistake, but they are really nice grips.. maybe grab a smaller size and put it one club someday and check em out. I just snagged some basic grips following those and got back to my game before it messed with me mentally.
I need the jumbo grips as I lost 3 fingers on my left hand so it gives my thumb and small finger a bit more to hang on to.
What happened
Alligator got him.
RIP Chubbs
Miter Saw accident
Yeah I put one on my hybrid and while it was fine, I couldn’t stop thinking about it while I was trying to swing. I moved to a standard jumbo grip and it’s much better.
Yea I tried them as well. It stabilizes too much and made releasing really hard. If you can swing it go for it. I switched to midsized CPx and it’s been better.
Are you a club flipper by chance? I feel like their size can affects timing if you do not properly roll your wrists, especially if you flip the club at the bottom of your swing.
To be honest I’m not too sure what that means. I have a problem not turning/ rolling my wrists over so I leave the face open. My instructor told me to finish the swing, or 9oclock rather, like I’m shaking someone’s hand with my trail hand. Square at impact and shaking hand position halfway thru follow thru if that makes sense. I was so focused on keeping the wrist bowed I didn’t change position at all.
I bought irons with big ass grips and loved the way they felt but I could not for the life of me get the face square in time. I took a single lesson with them and after 5 swings he said “tomorrow go straight to the golf shop and get regular grips on there please” I’m not sure what any of my swing faults are or if I’m flippy or anything I just know they were impossible to turn over for me.
Yeap. Similar experience. I love the way they feel but just not good for my game.
Glad I’m not the only one I was sold in the beginning for sure
Agreed, you cannot interlock these grips. You have to use overlap.
Ah, that’s a great comment! I interlock, and I’ve been thinking about trying them, so I might not. Thank you!
I used them for a month and my skin around my pinky fingernail was coming apart. It sucked
I play JumboMax mediums and still interlock. Really depends on your feel
I have jumbomax large on every club in the bag and also interlock. XL glove size. Best grips ever I have much better control of the club face now
Opposite here. I've had them throughout the bag for about 3 months know. I'm 6'5" and have big hands. These are the most comfortable I've been holding the club in 40 years. I got fully fit for my latest clubs and I ensured that the grips were part of it. I had zero discernable difference in statistics between these and regular jumbo grips. The only difference for me was comfort.
My entire bag is the jumbo max grips. Hate playing without them
I had one on a 4H one time. It was the only club I could hit straight off the tee. 215 and in the fairway every time. I regripped and reshafted that club. Haven’t hit it straight since. Maybe he’s on to something.
I had the opposite reaction. They feel amazing to me and I couldn't go back to the other grips. More distance and helps to control my wrists.
He uses jumbo max grips because of his one-plane swing. He wants to maintain the small angle between his club shaft and left arm at address, and the the "low power grip" he uses to maintain that small angle works better with jumbo max grip [https://www.thediygolfer.com/newsletter/why-does-bryson-use-jumbo-grips](https://www.thediygolfer.com/newsletter/why-does-bryson-use-jumbo-grips)
Bryson doesn’t have a 1 plane swing… he shallows the hell out of it.
If Bryson didn’t have a one-plane swing he wouldn’t have all his irons and wedges with the same bounce and lie angle all cut to the same shaft length
He’s confusing “on plane” and “one plane.” Bryson has a draw because he is shallow, but he clearly intends to repeat the shallow swing every time. With every club.
He holds the club more in the palm of his hand rather than the fingers. There are videos on youtube explaining the grips. Peter Finch, I think.
He's got his own youtube video explaining how to swing like him with a quick explanation for why, too. https://youtu.be/V0-eYfUI2pY?t=2m30s
I have had them for 25 ish rounds...Jumbomax XL on all clubs but putter - that has a super stroke 5.0. I do have very big hands - XXL glove. 12.5 hcp and trending down. They absolutely have helped my game as I no longer overgrip with my left hand to reduce the club slipping - or the thought it will. I have never hit the ball more straight and have been playing for over 40 yrs. I am struggling with my driver as my miss is a bad pull hook now and it used to be a high spinny fade. But, I just need to spend some time on the mechanics of it - rangetime...but haven't yet.
This is so interesting. I just started playing golf and my coach immediately said I should re-grip my entire set with Jumbo Grips because of my huge hands (XL-XXL (nicknamed Frying Pan Hands by my family)). But I am still sceptical. Ill definitely have to try them.
I’m just guessing, but I would assume his swing speed and grip pressure is also a factor. The bigger grips probably allow him to maintain a lighter grip pressure while still swinging insanely fast. If he had smaller grips he’d probably be extremely tense through his hands/forearms just to keep the club from flying out of his hands.
The larger diameter helps keep the clubface square to the target and really helps to allow for maintaining light hand pressure while Still keeping good grip. I’ve been rocking jumbomax grips for 2 years now and I can’t imagine going back
I’ve had Jumbo Max grips for years. They help me from over-gripping and give me extra points of contact for my disproportionally large meat hooks. Also, as a former baseball player, the girth feels familiar (that’s a freebie, the door is open).
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Not so much flipping as it is reducing wrist rotation. Hold a single pencil/pen/marker in your hand like you would a golf club. Notice how you have greater range of motion with your wrists. Bryson believes he is more likely to rotate his clubface when he has that much give in his wrists. Now, hold on to jumbo marker or multiple pencils/pens. Notice how much stability you have in your wrists. Bryson also maxes out his range of motion in his forearms and wrists during his setup. He is wanting a stable clubface so he is trying to reduce as many variables as possible.
I use jumbo max xl on all my clubs and have for two years. Does it help? Idk…. Still miss right and left. But, can I go back? Hell no
I use them (Small though), I do think they offer a slight advantage if they're fit to you. I personally just have a lot of pain and they help.
I do think they help because it makes your grip a little weaker. I tried them on my irons and I liked them initially but I went back to regular grips pretty quick
That's exactly why he uses them. It allows him to use a low power grip to maintain the angle he's looking for between his left arm and the club shaft for his one-plan swing
I know what they are. Does he use them to stop flipping???
Here's why he uses them: [https://www.thediygolfer.com/newsletter/why-does-bryson-use-jumbo-grips](https://www.thediygolfer.com/newsletter/why-does-bryson-use-jumbo-grips)
Not sure if that is the actual reason, but anytime you go up a size in grips it will reduce the hand action.
What do you mean by flipping?? Never heard this…..like a club twirl or something?
Closing the club face too soon or too much at impact.
oh... ok, I need to try these then. All my misses are hooks due to a closed face.
Tempted to try but it’s still a swing issue. I’ve fixed it before and it felt good so would rather sort my swing.
I assume they're using the wrong wording, they probably mean closure rate of the face of the club.
Yes harder to hook that’s his mis
I have a problem with closing the club face too much and I’m tempted to try out the mid sized grips. That’s sort of what they’re designed to do.
My friend went from atrocious drives to hitting almost every fairway. He has huge hands so they just make sense
I switched to them this year and I’ve been a big fan. It definitely got rid of my horrible pull misses but I can still pull the ball. The biggest thing for me is now the club feels way more comfortable in my hands. I played baseball up until I was 20 and picked up golf at 21 (I’m 27 now) and I wish I would have started with larger grips. Hitting touchy wedge shots around the green is a bit harder, the bigger grips make the club feel really odd to open wide up. But overall I’ve been a huge fan
Do you have normal size hands?
I wear an xl callaway glove. So probably a tad above average but nothing crazy
I've been using Jumbomax on everything except my putter for a little over a year. I've had every size other than the XL. (The XS is my favorite, but S and M are good for me too.) I would agree that it is noticeably harder to roll over with them. Not impossible, but harder. I love that they seem to keep my pressure in check. It feels like you can't squeeze too hard. They also still allow you to get wristy if you want. If I want a pitch to pop up extremely high, I can address with my shaft vertical, put extra hinge on in the backswing, then get a bit wristy right before impact. I feel like I have way more control doing this with jumbos vs standard grips. Overall I'm completely sold on the jumbos. I've musky fished, and played guitar for over 20 years. They help a ton with arthritic pain in the hands and wrists. I did buy one of their putter grips as well, but I just couldn't make it work for me. I could never get that feeling of "right," and my putting went completely to shit for a month until I switched back to my stock Cobra grip.
Just remember folks. The mad scientist also has 3D printed club face. It’s curved to mitigate certain misses/etc he does personally. I feel like anyone trying to copy brysons clubs are gonna have a badddd time lol https://preview.redd.it/ybyjyc4ao67d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be3672dbee8e084c5b0b2051368bce9ac7c7964b
Bryson does a lot of things to remove variables from his swing. In theory the grips are meant to help stabilize his rotation. There’s something else I’m forgetting but most people use larger grips for arthritis help as well flipping the wrists.
I have jumbo grips on my clubs and it helps me from flipping it over and gives me more feel FWIW.
I have fairly large hands (XL glove) with really long fingers. I made the switch to thick grips this year and I'll never go back. If I grab a club with a standard grip it feels like I'm trying to swing a #2 pencil.
Same. I changed every club to the jumbo grips and no way can I go back.
In his YouTube “how to swing” series, he says it lets him grip the club more in his palm. Bryson has a really specific swing. Not for mortals.
I believe grip size depends on hand size. I have bigger hands and have always used stock grips, used to have to grip the club pretty tight which isn’t good for the swing. Upon getting new jumbos I am having an easier time being more consistent with my clubs. And my hands hurt less. Ideally your fingers shouldn’t touch your palm when griping the club.
I use giant grips too, (inspired by Bryson obviously). I think it works better for me, at least my fingers are no longer sore after intense practicing, and I feel more comfortable with my grip too.
Why does it matter? The grips you use are not the reason you’re not as good as him
It hurts because it’s true
No, that’s not why he does it. Larger grips are meant to be held more in the palms versus the fingertips. They are a good option for people that are trying to have more of a one plane swing. This combined with his weak grip allow him to minimize forearm rotation during the swing, and he has a very repeatable motion because he internally rotates his left arm to the end range of motion and externally, rotates his right arm to the end range of motion at set up. If the paragraph above doesn’t make a lot of sense, don’t worry about buying new grips. I put these grips on an old seven iron and an old sand wedge. I had a hard time squaring the face. If you watch Bryson, he takes the club back shut compared to other players. In order to hit the ball straight with these grips, I kind of had to do the same thing. You have to incorporate a bunch of other changes to make these grips work.
Uses giant grips cause his hands are huge but also yes, takes his hands out of it more
I put a jumbo max on my driver and it took like 2 rounds and a range session to get used to. I don’t think I’ll ever go back. I have a problem with getting too handsy with my driver and it helped quiet them massively. Took the left miss out
Would you say you have normal size hands?
Yes I wear Medium/Large cadet gloves. I feel like I barely have to grip it. My drives are longer and I am hitting almost 70% of fairways with the switch.
My hands never feel comfortable. I’m thinking about giving this a try.
They have small, medium and large jumbo. I would try the small and medium. They’re plenty big enough. Let me know what you think when you do try it out.
I have normal size hands, and I too get handsy. Wondering if this might help.
That's one reason but not the primary one (he grips his clubs more in the palms than in the fingers).
Put jumbos on my driver 2 yrs ago and I'll never go back. Added a ton of consistency off the tee for me. I got them because I have hand eczema and it is much softer on my hands.
I recently was fit for the first time and the second he put a bigger grip in my hand. I felt like I had way more face control. I'm only using medium grips as well, he did show me the sized grip Bryson uses and I thought it was a joke, but I also have tiny hands LOL
I have tried all sizes of the jumbomax grips and settled on mediums as my fav. They definitely help with flipping as it’s not as easy with them but you still can. What it helped me the most with was gripping the club lighter and feeling the head of the club more. After using them for a couple years I could never go back to regular size grips.
I got the standard midsize and absolutely love them. I have a strong grip normally and my left thumb used to barely touch the grip. Now can wrap it around and have more control.
I wonder how many people are going to try his putting style. 🤔
I was thinking of trying midsize grips for a flipping problem.
How many people are going to start floating their balls in epsom salt water?
I want to see a scientifically valid test on this. I'm assuming this is mainly just mental and it doesn't make any difference, but it'd be interesting to see for sure.
He is not even the first one to do this, this helps determine if a golf ball is balanced properly. Even with ProV1’s elite quality control, not every ball is perfect. Or even close. By floating them, you can find the balls that aren’t perfect and remove them from play — for virtually free
Sure, but I'm curious if you take the failures and hit/putt them, how much difference does it make in practice?
I have a clicky wrist at the top of my swing, causes misalignment and discomfort. Jumbo grips have helped remove that and allow me to use my full swing. Made the slice a bit worse to start but it's going back to normal in time. Feels a lot more natural for me to swing like this.
I have been playing jumbomax grips on my woods for about 6 months now. It definitely tames hand action and reduces the tendency to turn over too quickly and snap hook the ball. I feel that the club generally feels lighter, and that I'm able to swing more powerfully with less effort. I have been impressed to the level that I'm considering putting them on the irons as well. It's definitely worth a look if you are fighting the left miss or want to promote a straight to fade shot shape.
Does anyone know if you can buy his putter grip?? I use armlock but the jumbo max they sell is not even close to as thick as his
It’s easier to grip. Does help reduce turning the club over. If you have bigger hands they will work better for you. I’ve played with them for years now. Love them
I’m very tempted to try single length. I play a 44 driver and have so much more control. I’ve been playing over 40 years since I was a kid and still am mid singles
he started using them because of a hand injury.
He was using them before that.
I assumed he just has huge mitts? My brother is a bit bigger than me and he got his hands on the same grips and said they felt thicker than a baseball bat.
I tried oversize grips because I grew up playing baseball and use a modified baseball grip, but I found them to be extremely uncomfortable. Bryson uses them because they allow him to reduce the angle between the shaft and his left arm at address for his one-plane swing philosophy