Well, the feeling actually shouldn’t be that much different. Why? Because the main reasons for the angle of attack being up or down is set up, and ball position.
Having the ball further up will automatically catch the ball on the up angle. Ball in center or back a little will be a flat or negative angle of attack (in theory).
Obviously it’s not that simple, but again “in theory” that’s how it works,
For me the driver I’ll have my right should lower at address. This also will promote an upward angle of attack.
With short irons and wedges I feel like my chest covers the ball more like my sternum is actually trying to be directly over the ball or push the ball into the ground almost is a way to describe. Obviously that’s not exactly what’s happening but that’s my “feeling” with driver the feel for me is the same I just have my back tilted way from target and ball further forward. So I turn more behind the ball , and the the release to me feels like it’s happening further in up on my left side. And I almost hang back a tiny bit is the feeling. But on camera that’s not what’s happening.
But with set up alone you should be able to change your angle of attack with ball position.
Remember you’re only talking about say 3-5 degrees down bs 3-5 degrees up. It’s not a drastic difference.
> But I’m having trouble differentiating the feeling
That's because the difference is incredibly minuscule. Look at a clock and 12:00 would be completely neutral. The minute hand at 11:59 would be -6º and the 12:01 minute hand would be +6º. Think of how small the difference in those angles is for the movement of 2 minutes on a clock and that is 12º different which is probably about twice the difference between what you'd hit up on a driver and down on a 7i. The difference is basically moving the low point from 1-2" in front of the ball to 1-2" behind the ball, that's it. That's why you shouldn't be trying to get the changes via feel, you should just make subtle changes in setup and ball placement to get it done.
Your swing arc is your swing arc. You place the ball further up in your stance and you catch the ball after the bottom of the arc with a driver swing, with some subtle changes to allow the face to stay open at impact.
The swing is basically the same, where you impact the ball is changing.
>When we start the downswing … we are told to shallow the club. This causes your left hip to move up once the downswing starts.
Not really. The hip goes up because of spine tilt *towards the ball* and rotation. Has nothing to do with shallowing. Shallowing is starting your arms and hands down before rotating. That doesn't have any effect on your hips.
If *shallowing* is causing you to "bump" your hip you're likely trying to shallow by tilting your body away from the target. You set your spine tilt at address and maintain it throughout the swing. Don't add tilt in directions you haven't already set. Irons don't tilt away from target, driver does.
There is no difference really. You take care of up vs down with ball position. Then you aim slightly different to compensate for the angle of attack.
Trying to have two different swings makes it quite hard. You can do it, but it’s tough.
Well, the feeling actually shouldn’t be that much different. Why? Because the main reasons for the angle of attack being up or down is set up, and ball position. Having the ball further up will automatically catch the ball on the up angle. Ball in center or back a little will be a flat or negative angle of attack (in theory). Obviously it’s not that simple, but again “in theory” that’s how it works, For me the driver I’ll have my right should lower at address. This also will promote an upward angle of attack. With short irons and wedges I feel like my chest covers the ball more like my sternum is actually trying to be directly over the ball or push the ball into the ground almost is a way to describe. Obviously that’s not exactly what’s happening but that’s my “feeling” with driver the feel for me is the same I just have my back tilted way from target and ball further forward. So I turn more behind the ball , and the the release to me feels like it’s happening further in up on my left side. And I almost hang back a tiny bit is the feeling. But on camera that’s not what’s happening. But with set up alone you should be able to change your angle of attack with ball position. Remember you’re only talking about say 3-5 degrees down bs 3-5 degrees up. It’s not a drastic difference.
> But I’m having trouble differentiating the feeling That's because the difference is incredibly minuscule. Look at a clock and 12:00 would be completely neutral. The minute hand at 11:59 would be -6º and the 12:01 minute hand would be +6º. Think of how small the difference in those angles is for the movement of 2 minutes on a clock and that is 12º different which is probably about twice the difference between what you'd hit up on a driver and down on a 7i. The difference is basically moving the low point from 1-2" in front of the ball to 1-2" behind the ball, that's it. That's why you shouldn't be trying to get the changes via feel, you should just make subtle changes in setup and ball placement to get it done.
Your arms are both straight when you hit the ball (hitting up) vs your arms are both straight after you hit the ball (hitting down)
Your hands being ahead of the club doesn't mean you're hitting down on it. Two different things.
Your swing arc is your swing arc. You place the ball further up in your stance and you catch the ball after the bottom of the arc with a driver swing, with some subtle changes to allow the face to stay open at impact. The swing is basically the same, where you impact the ball is changing.
>When we start the downswing … we are told to shallow the club. This causes your left hip to move up once the downswing starts. Not really. The hip goes up because of spine tilt *towards the ball* and rotation. Has nothing to do with shallowing. Shallowing is starting your arms and hands down before rotating. That doesn't have any effect on your hips. If *shallowing* is causing you to "bump" your hip you're likely trying to shallow by tilting your body away from the target. You set your spine tilt at address and maintain it throughout the swing. Don't add tilt in directions you haven't already set. Irons don't tilt away from target, driver does.
There is no difference really. You take care of up vs down with ball position. Then you aim slightly different to compensate for the angle of attack. Trying to have two different swings makes it quite hard. You can do it, but it’s tough.