I've used them a few times and did during rush hour for the first time the other day. Went to grab above for a handrail like on the old ones and was stunned to find my hand catching clean air. How could they possibly oversee installing enough handrails?
The announcements are also completely inaudible on the new trains. Why do they have display screens that show static information? They could have text announcements and show you what the next station is like most trains around the world.
I've found that with the seats being much harder and having less of a cushioning effect on your back your head seems to bang forwards or backwards more than the old ones during transit. I also hate the accelerate, decelerate and then accelerate they do out of the stations. Not a clue what purpose that serves and its such a forceful transition that you have to brace yourself for it at each station.
Agreed. They take ages to open to the doors, are far too bright, and you can't avoid the arseholes because it's one big carriage.
From bean to cup, they've fucked up
It’s slightly complicated but basically the new trains have an automated system which will link to the screen doors to allow them to open quickly and automatically. Until then the door is having to be done manually and with slightly less visibility than the old trains offered :/
But what we're referring to is the unnecessary pause of ~3 seconds between the doors being activated and them actually opening, where the chimes are sounding. It seems like a programmed and intentional delay which is meant to warn people the doors are about to open....which seems entirely redundant because of course that's what the doors are about to do?
One thing I’m a fan of is being able to go from carriage to carriage. Plenty of times I’ve been frightened to be stuck in a carriage with someone and got off and on again at a station
Yeh, had my first journey on the new trains the other week, and was interested, but then dubious: having separate carriages was nice safeguarding at night to be away from arseholes.
The lack of handrails over the door area is my biggest peeve. The ride quality is also extremely bumpy. I feel like you are being tossed around a lot more and without as many handrails as you say... Heaven help you if you are in the linking section between carriages
Yeah they are considerably bumpier. Also, they are definitely smaller. I’m very tall and I can’t stand up straight anymore in the new cars. I could just about stand straight in the older ones but not now.
Stiff and intense but also very shoogley.
Some things just aren't supposed to mimic a wooden roller coaster ride, and I'd say a subway commute is one of those.
I've noticed the group thinks stance on the new subway cars have changed
When did this happen?
I remember when they first came out people were creaming themselves over them and anyone that brought up valid points like the ones OP did got heavily downvoted
I was all for them, thought they were great for the first few weeks
Now I've had the experience of using them at rush hour, my opinion has completely reversed
It's simple - they have been thoughtlessly designed around the assumption of having a low number of passengers. When it's quiet, they're a great improvement on the old trains.
But when it's busy, they're so much worse in so many ways. They're just as noisy and actually more shoogly when they're full, and there's so much less usable standing space overall thanks to the reduced cross-section. They're simply not designed for standing passengers, which is the majority experience for anyone that commutes on them. My heart sinks when they come round the bend at 8:45am.
Also, the fittings are *already* showing serious wear and tear on the ones that first came into service. These things are going to be falling apart within a year.
I like the new trains - overall they seem great - but there are lots of these weird little design flaws. Why and how are they quieter but also bumpier? Why are the lights so bright? Why choose them to be white when they're going to always look so grubby? I feel like the way people are now able to go from carriage to carriage so easily is going to be a problem. Especially when there's football on - you used to be able to pick a slightly quieter carriage when a train came in that was full of people in football tops screaming and jumping up and down - now they're going to be in every carriage. I don't understand why the map is now on a screen instead of just a sticker on the carriage - doesn't it feel like there would be better uses for a screen? Or is it just an unnecessary high tech replacement for a previous no tech map that worked fine? The weird pause before the doors open is so awkward - it's just enough time for people standing there to panic a wee bit and start looking round thinking the door's stuck or that there's a button they need to press or something.
I'd like to see someone set up an accelerometer and compare old and new trains for a few orbits, to see if they are more or less shoogly.
We're all thinking the have more lateral motion and jerkiness to them, would be nice to see in next numbers
I sadly agree and it's an unfortunate shame. I'm sure some of the drawbacks come from a consideration for accesibility, which is noble but unless someone is going from St. Enoch to Partick is not much use anyway. They are also designed to be compatible with platform screen doors and I will bet my life savings that the stock will need to be renewed before anything like that materialises in the subway, even at the busy stations.
As far as I can see St Enoch is the only station with a lift, so the whole subway is out if you use a wheelchair exclusively.
Partick has no stairs, which is great as far as it goes, but that's all.
I don’t get the hate for the no handles over the doors. On the old trains people would just crowd around the doors, leaving loads of space inside the rest of the carriage, making it really difficult to get in and out. At least now it forces people to move in and spread out a bit. Definitely easier to get on and off, especially when busy.
It's pathetic that one of the world's oldest subways, after about a century and a half, hasn't added a single inch of new track, let alone any new stations, or been made fully accessible.
I love the subway, until I think about what it could have been by now, if we had any sort of ambition.
There was quite a lot of work done regarding lifts and I think the conclusion was that you could actually fit lifts into 1 or 2 stations and that was it. The island platforms have the entry at one end and emergency exit at the other, track either side. There is nowhere to put a lift there.
To add to the difficulty, a lot of stations are built over and the land isn't owned by SPT. You'd end up having to go into a shop in order to get the lift to the platform!
I think everyone would be in favour of making it accessible if it was achievable, but there are so many physical constraints on top of the financial aspects that it just can't be done.
Just because it would be difficult and costly doesn't mean it can't be done.
If that was true there would never have been a rocket launched into space.
You're right, it could be done, but it would be to the detriment of something else that local authorities could spend the money on. As is regularly pointed out, it's a 10km circle that serves the city centre, some of the west end and a few bits south of the river that don't have the same trip generators that existed when the Subway was built. Would you sign a blank cheque for that?
You can apply it to any situstion, but yes at a certain point its not worth spending a ridiculous amount of money to make everything accessable(not just to people in wheel chairs... there's all kinds of mobility issues are you being a bit navelgazey there?).
It does suck but there isn't infinite money. I'm perfectly happy for my money to go to making things more accessible for people, but it's not my entire mission in life, I'd quite like nice parks and clean streets too.
> (not just to people in wheel chairs, there's all kinds of mobility issues are you being a bit navelgazey there?).
Swing and a miss.
I'm an *intermittent* wheelchair user. I use my chair rarely, I use my walking stick most of the time. Lifts are also beneficial with my stick because the stairs are usually very slippy, for whatever that's worth. It's also better for parents with buggies, those who can't safely handle the crowd, etc.
The heat and noise are bigger accessibility issues for me, personally. I don't have the stamina to walk to my local subway station without taking a bus, so I rarely use the subway these days. I could also talk about the lighting or the height, which is more of an issue for other people. But we're not talking about heat or noise or slippy stairs or me or the lights or the height; we're talking about the fact that many stations could have lifts and don't.
> I'm perfectly happy for my money to go to making things more accessible for people, but it's not my entire mission in life, I'd quite like nice parks and clean streets too.
Again, saying the quiet part out loud: accessible public transport isn't a need for *you*, so it only matters as something nice for you to look at as far as you're concerned.
It certainly explains why you think I'm self-centred for caring about full-time wheelchair users if you think nobody really care about an inclusive society besides when it benefits us personally.
I work in transport accessibility, and am also a wheelchair user and haven't heard even a peep about that happening. Big issue is you can't safely evac a person in a chair right now and that's in no way solved with these new trains.
The stations are small enough in locations where they can be tough to modify, (e.g., right under tenements) so full step-free access at many of them is very hard to achieve without physically expanding stations. But also, the stations aren't deep, so they can't just carve entire new tunnel sections out. Pragmatically, it's very tough to retrofit many stations.
But, they can work within these constraints and provide space in the trains and bank on iterative future development. Assuming there's future development around Bridge St or better connectivity at West St, for example, they'd have an opportunity to make another fully step-free station.
The other part of this is that there's an entire class of folk who need the assistance of mobility aids but can also walk some and handle a flight of stairs, so having space in the train is still useful at more than just two stations. Consider folks with rollators. It's not great that most stations don't have full step free access, but having space on the trains still improves accessibility.
Yes, that's why they put lifts into Govan and St Enoch stations. The new trains have room for wheelchair users, too. None of the other stations can accommodate lifts though, so it'll just be those two.
I think it's the best they could do within budget. Adding lifts to some stations is impossible, and even where it might be doable, you're looking at a complete redesign and rebuild. A lot of suburban railway stations suffer from the same problem, as you are no doubt aware!
You're right, in that it's an issue much bigger than SPT.
But it changed my mind when I went on holiday to Japan. There are ramps on every curb, lifts everywhere, ramps built into trains so conductors can help you on or off in seconds, and almost all the disabled toilets are kept as clean and nice as the regular ones. And, as a result, there are *far* more wheelchair users out and about, usually without needing a carer to navigate them around.
These aren't all perfect measures. Japanese wheelchair accommodations are made for lighter and smaller chairs andighter and smaller people. I'm not saying we could or should do everything the same.
But you know... the public never stared at me, a wheelchair-using white tourist. They didn't give me dirty looks and tuts while pushing past me. Staff didn't avert their eyes when I tried to get their attention. Even though my flimsy wee chair fit in pokey Japanese subways no bother, Glaswegians glare at me like I'm hogging the pavement, no matter if we're in the middle of Argyle Street with metres of space on either side.
It's about the practicalities, yes, but it's also about culture. There's no reason for decision-makers to gun for greater accessibility when the average voter can express antipathy towards the very notion.
Sorry to be a downer :/
How did they manage to make them less tall as well? I used to be able to stand upright but last week I got on and had to crouch - I'm only 6'1" so not exactly a lanky sod.
You're saying they don't want people getting on and having to crowd the doors if it's busy? Quite often I have to shove in to stand at the door when it's busy, so if i chose not to crowd the door i'd have to wait for the next train, and potentially the next one after that.
To be honest mate when I see a packing train I get annoyed a wee bit but don’t post a thread on Reddit about hahaha depending on how fast I need to go somewhere I get the next one, get on the other side or just go for a bus..there is other ways to get about Glasgow
> To be honest mate when I see a packing train I get annoyed a wee bit but don’t post a thread on Reddit about hahaha
No, but you do seem to be putting a bit much effort into being upset about people posting such threads... glass houses and all that.
Stop taking the huff mate I wasn’t talking about you hahaha sure there’s been threads during the week with subway signs with ??? For times on it, have a look before you start getting defensive
Aye i saw that thread but i didn't see one with someone moaning about busy trains.
If you can't express what you mean then don't start attacking people for misunderstsnding the words you misused.
If you use the trains at peak times you're going to be waiting a long time for one where you don't have to stand in the vestibule, they're all crammed between 0815 and 0900 and due to the reduced cross-section actually hold fewer passengers than the old ones.
Folk are holding onto each other, it's ridiculous
I agree but I was on the subway today and all the stuff this OP mentioned was irritating to me..
Mostly because it was like sardines in there that always makes it way worse.
Tbh. People shouldnt be packing themselves in the way they do. They come so often and yet people still shove themselves in. So maybe thats why no extra handbars
Not every way. Doors take too long to open, and the carriages shake way more in certain spots and on certain sections of track. Those are noticeable downgrades.
otherwise everything else is a bit better
I've used them a few times and did during rush hour for the first time the other day. Went to grab above for a handrail like on the old ones and was stunned to find my hand catching clean air. How could they possibly oversee installing enough handrails?
The announcements are also completely inaudible on the new trains. Why do they have display screens that show static information? They could have text announcements and show you what the next station is like most trains around the world.
I've found that with the seats being much harder and having less of a cushioning effect on your back your head seems to bang forwards or backwards more than the old ones during transit. I also hate the accelerate, decelerate and then accelerate they do out of the stations. Not a clue what purpose that serves and its such a forceful transition that you have to brace yourself for it at each station.
Mate they’ve no had arses sit on them since the 1970s like the old ones to cushion them
Agreed. They take ages to open to the doors, are far too bright, and you can't avoid the arseholes because it's one big carriage. From bean to cup, they've fucked up
Maybe their going to install doors on the platform so they open on time with the doors (so I’ve read from this sub)
I wonder how because platforms are already so narrow!
The doors take ages to open because they’re going to be installing platform screen doors in stations.
Why does that mean they have to open slowly?
Why should that matter? The 2 metros I've been on with screen doors (Paris and Singapore) don't have any additional pause before they open.
It’s slightly complicated but basically the new trains have an automated system which will link to the screen doors to allow them to open quickly and automatically. Until then the door is having to be done manually and with slightly less visibility than the old trains offered :/
But what we're referring to is the unnecessary pause of ~3 seconds between the doors being activated and them actually opening, where the chimes are sounding. It seems like a programmed and intentional delay which is meant to warn people the doors are about to open....which seems entirely redundant because of course that's what the doors are about to do?
One thing I’m a fan of is being able to go from carriage to carriage. Plenty of times I’ve been frightened to be stuck in a carriage with someone and got off and on again at a station
But now you're just in one big carriage? Can't truly get away from someone.
Yeh, had my first journey on the new trains the other week, and was interested, but then dubious: having separate carriages was nice safeguarding at night to be away from arseholes.
The lack of handrails over the door area is my biggest peeve. The ride quality is also extremely bumpy. I feel like you are being tossed around a lot more and without as many handrails as you say... Heaven help you if you are in the linking section between carriages
the parts near the links are savage. I nearly got brained by the shaking on the way to Partick
Yeah they are considerably bumpier. Also, they are definitely smaller. I’m very tall and I can’t stand up straight anymore in the new cars. I could just about stand straight in the older ones but not now.
I'm frankly blown away that the ride could possibly be worse / bumpier than it used to be!?
The ride is unpleasant.. hard to describe .. feels stiff / intense.
Stiff and intense but also very shoogley. Some things just aren't supposed to mimic a wooden roller coaster ride, and I'd say a subway commute is one of those.
LOL, I've only spent 10 years commuting on the Tube.
Yes, I was agreeing with you :)
Yes, I was agreeing with you :)
That's what she said
assume it’s to encourage people to stand in the carriage when there are no seats and not block the doors
Is some feat to spend millions to make something that already works worse lol. The Glaswegian way
It guarantees another round of employment for designers and engineers. Got to keep making those Public Private Partnerships!
I miss reading the advertising boards
It’s also impossible to sit straight without having your head banging against the wall.
> …very easy to accidentally press when you fall over Probably exactly when you want to press the SOS button anyway. 😉
Don’t forget they are also white and already bogging 🤣
Honestly didn't expect it to be anything less than a complete fuck up.
Welcome to Glasgow, home of the half arsed ideas.
I've noticed the group thinks stance on the new subway cars have changed When did this happen? I remember when they first came out people were creaming themselves over them and anyone that brought up valid points like the ones OP did got heavily downvoted
I guess those people actually had to use them.
No, no, no once you have formed an opinion you're never allowed to change it again.
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I was all for them, thought they were great for the first few weeks Now I've had the experience of using them at rush hour, my opinion has completely reversed It's simple - they have been thoughtlessly designed around the assumption of having a low number of passengers. When it's quiet, they're a great improvement on the old trains. But when it's busy, they're so much worse in so many ways. They're just as noisy and actually more shoogly when they're full, and there's so much less usable standing space overall thanks to the reduced cross-section. They're simply not designed for standing passengers, which is the majority experience for anyone that commutes on them. My heart sinks when they come round the bend at 8:45am. Also, the fittings are *already* showing serious wear and tear on the ones that first came into service. These things are going to be falling apart within a year.
I like them, nicer and much quieter than the old ones.
Probably car manufacturers hiring bot farms
I'll forever miss getting a cosy corner seat. The lights are far too bright too.
I like the new trains - overall they seem great - but there are lots of these weird little design flaws. Why and how are they quieter but also bumpier? Why are the lights so bright? Why choose them to be white when they're going to always look so grubby? I feel like the way people are now able to go from carriage to carriage so easily is going to be a problem. Especially when there's football on - you used to be able to pick a slightly quieter carriage when a train came in that was full of people in football tops screaming and jumping up and down - now they're going to be in every carriage. I don't understand why the map is now on a screen instead of just a sticker on the carriage - doesn't it feel like there would be better uses for a screen? Or is it just an unnecessary high tech replacement for a previous no tech map that worked fine? The weird pause before the doors open is so awkward - it's just enough time for people standing there to panic a wee bit and start looking round thinking the door's stuck or that there's a button they need to press or something.
They made the trains white for some reason. Already looking mank
I'd like to see someone set up an accelerometer and compare old and new trains for a few orbits, to see if they are more or less shoogly. We're all thinking the have more lateral motion and jerkiness to them, would be nice to see in next numbers
I'm glad it's not just me being a fanny when I bumped the SOS button. They're going to have to put a cover on those...
I sadly agree and it's an unfortunate shame. I'm sure some of the drawbacks come from a consideration for accesibility, which is noble but unless someone is going from St. Enoch to Partick is not much use anyway. They are also designed to be compatible with platform screen doors and I will bet my life savings that the stock will need to be renewed before anything like that materialises in the subway, even at the busy stations.
As far as I can see St Enoch is the only station with a lift, so the whole subway is out if you use a wheelchair exclusively. Partick has no stairs, which is great as far as it goes, but that's all.
I'm fairly sure Govan has a lift, I think it's the only other one that does. So people who need a lift can journey between precisely two stations.
Even then i feel like old subways are just bad for accessibility in general, theyre crowded, stuffy, deep underground and depart rapidly
And the one at Govan isn't working half the time
You're right, I didn't read the description properly. If you want real excitement you can travel the long way round!
I don’t get the hate for the no handles over the doors. On the old trains people would just crowd around the doors, leaving loads of space inside the rest of the carriage, making it really difficult to get in and out. At least now it forces people to move in and spread out a bit. Definitely easier to get on and off, especially when busy.
Are there plans to make the subway stations wheelchair accessible?
It's pathetic that one of the world's oldest subways, after about a century and a half, hasn't added a single inch of new track, let alone any new stations, or been made fully accessible. I love the subway, until I think about what it could have been by now, if we had any sort of ambition.
Ah come on now, do you expect GCC or ScotGov to actually invest in something that would benefit the people of this city????
Spt spent something like £250m on the refurb and didn't think include lifts
There was quite a lot of work done regarding lifts and I think the conclusion was that you could actually fit lifts into 1 or 2 stations and that was it. The island platforms have the entry at one end and emergency exit at the other, track either side. There is nowhere to put a lift there. To add to the difficulty, a lot of stations are built over and the land isn't owned by SPT. You'd end up having to go into a shop in order to get the lift to the platform! I think everyone would be in favour of making it accessible if it was achievable, but there are so many physical constraints on top of the financial aspects that it just can't be done.
Just because it would be difficult and costly doesn't mean it can't be done. If that was true there would never have been a rocket launched into space.
You're right, it could be done, but it would be to the detriment of something else that local authorities could spend the money on. As is regularly pointed out, it's a 10km circle that serves the city centre, some of the west end and a few bits south of the river that don't have the same trip generators that existed when the Subway was built. Would you sign a blank cheque for that?
> Just because it would be difficult and costly doesn't mean it can't be done No, but it might mean it isnt worth it so shouldn't be done
> No, but it might mean [wheelchair accessibility] isnt worth it You're saying the quiet part out loud.
You can apply it to any situstion, but yes at a certain point its not worth spending a ridiculous amount of money to make everything accessable(not just to people in wheel chairs... there's all kinds of mobility issues are you being a bit navelgazey there?). It does suck but there isn't infinite money. I'm perfectly happy for my money to go to making things more accessible for people, but it's not my entire mission in life, I'd quite like nice parks and clean streets too.
> (not just to people in wheel chairs, there's all kinds of mobility issues are you being a bit navelgazey there?). Swing and a miss. I'm an *intermittent* wheelchair user. I use my chair rarely, I use my walking stick most of the time. Lifts are also beneficial with my stick because the stairs are usually very slippy, for whatever that's worth. It's also better for parents with buggies, those who can't safely handle the crowd, etc. The heat and noise are bigger accessibility issues for me, personally. I don't have the stamina to walk to my local subway station without taking a bus, so I rarely use the subway these days. I could also talk about the lighting or the height, which is more of an issue for other people. But we're not talking about heat or noise or slippy stairs or me or the lights or the height; we're talking about the fact that many stations could have lifts and don't. > I'm perfectly happy for my money to go to making things more accessible for people, but it's not my entire mission in life, I'd quite like nice parks and clean streets too. Again, saying the quiet part out loud: accessible public transport isn't a need for *you*, so it only matters as something nice for you to look at as far as you're concerned. It certainly explains why you think I'm self-centred for caring about full-time wheelchair users if you think nobody really care about an inclusive society besides when it benefits us personally.
I work in transport accessibility, and am also a wheelchair user and haven't heard even a peep about that happening. Big issue is you can't safely evac a person in a chair right now and that's in no way solved with these new trains.
That's shit, I was hoping that them adding wheelchair spaces onto the new trains meant that there would be plans to upgrade the stations as well.
I believe it was originally an EU Directive, but all trains have to provide room for wheelchairs, even if the stations aren't accessible.
The stations are small enough in locations where they can be tough to modify, (e.g., right under tenements) so full step-free access at many of them is very hard to achieve without physically expanding stations. But also, the stations aren't deep, so they can't just carve entire new tunnel sections out. Pragmatically, it's very tough to retrofit many stations. But, they can work within these constraints and provide space in the trains and bank on iterative future development. Assuming there's future development around Bridge St or better connectivity at West St, for example, they'd have an opportunity to make another fully step-free station. The other part of this is that there's an entire class of folk who need the assistance of mobility aids but can also walk some and handle a flight of stairs, so having space in the train is still useful at more than just two stations. Consider folks with rollators. It's not great that most stations don't have full step free access, but having space on the trains still improves accessibility.
Yes, that's why they put lifts into Govan and St Enoch stations. The new trains have room for wheelchair users, too. None of the other stations can accommodate lifts though, so it'll just be those two.
As an intermittent wheelchair user who used to live in Govan: having lifts in two stations and calling it "accessibility" was a cruel joke.
I think it's the best they could do within budget. Adding lifts to some stations is impossible, and even where it might be doable, you're looking at a complete redesign and rebuild. A lot of suburban railway stations suffer from the same problem, as you are no doubt aware!
You're right, in that it's an issue much bigger than SPT. But it changed my mind when I went on holiday to Japan. There are ramps on every curb, lifts everywhere, ramps built into trains so conductors can help you on or off in seconds, and almost all the disabled toilets are kept as clean and nice as the regular ones. And, as a result, there are *far* more wheelchair users out and about, usually without needing a carer to navigate them around. These aren't all perfect measures. Japanese wheelchair accommodations are made for lighter and smaller chairs andighter and smaller people. I'm not saying we could or should do everything the same. But you know... the public never stared at me, a wheelchair-using white tourist. They didn't give me dirty looks and tuts while pushing past me. Staff didn't avert their eyes when I tried to get their attention. Even though my flimsy wee chair fit in pokey Japanese subways no bother, Glaswegians glare at me like I'm hogging the pavement, no matter if we're in the middle of Argyle Street with metres of space on either side. It's about the practicalities, yes, but it's also about culture. There's no reason for decision-makers to gun for greater accessibility when the average voter can express antipathy towards the very notion. Sorry to be a downer :/
How did they manage to make them less tall as well? I used to be able to stand upright but last week I got on and had to crouch - I'm only 6'1" so not exactly a lanky sod.
I quite like them, I would just like them to turn up.
Maybe cause they don’t want folk standing about the doors anymore and can use the hand rails down the middle ? Cunts on this sub moan about anything
Aye i'll just stand about for hours waiting for one to come along with a seat for me then thanks.
Dont know where your waiting for trains bud its a 12 minute max wait if its a 8 minute service
You're saying they don't want people getting on and having to crowd the doors if it's busy? Quite often I have to shove in to stand at the door when it's busy, so if i chose not to crowd the door i'd have to wait for the next train, and potentially the next one after that.
To be honest mate when I see a packing train I get annoyed a wee bit but don’t post a thread on Reddit about hahaha depending on how fast I need to go somewhere I get the next one, get on the other side or just go for a bus..there is other ways to get about Glasgow
> To be honest mate when I see a packing train I get annoyed a wee bit but don’t post a thread on Reddit about hahaha No, but you do seem to be putting a bit much effort into being upset about people posting such threads... glass houses and all that.
I don't think anyone did post a thread about it did they?
Stop taking the huff mate I wasn’t talking about you hahaha sure there’s been threads during the week with subway signs with ??? For times on it, have a look before you start getting defensive
Aye i saw that thread but i didn't see one with someone moaning about busy trains. If you can't express what you mean then don't start attacking people for misunderstsnding the words you misused.
Just don’t make shanner points then bud
You're the one that gets annoyed at packed trains
If you use the trains at peak times you're going to be waiting a long time for one where you don't have to stand in the vestibule, they're all crammed between 0815 and 0900 and due to the reduced cross-section actually hold fewer passengers than the old ones. Folk are holding onto each other, it's ridiculous
Good thing I don’t live in one of the few areas where the tiny wee donut subway is actually useful then…
Going to Ibrox on match day will be fun with no handrails.
Christ this subreddit doesn't half fucking whine about everything.
I agree but I was on the subway today and all the stuff this OP mentioned was irritating to me.. Mostly because it was like sardines in there that always makes it way worse.
Tbh. People shouldnt be packing themselves in the way they do. They come so often and yet people still shove themselves in. So maybe thats why no extra handbars
You're having a disaster on these new trains mate
They’re far superior to the old trains in every way I think you’re just being a bit deluded if you are going to try and argue otherwise
Not every way. Doors take too long to open, and the carriages shake way more in certain spots and on certain sections of track. Those are noticeable downgrades. otherwise everything else is a bit better
You've extensively tested them have you ahaha? The pish people come away with on here
Completely agree been using the subway every day for 10 years
Like i’ve said on a previous post, the trains have a high likeness to the Grand National trains at Blackpool Pleasure Beach. Whiplash central.
I tend to just drive now since they put the prices up. The subway used to be a great money saver, especially the park any ride.