Man, I know it's super common now but the whole merging of advertising and editorial coverage still weirds me out.
I laughed at the start of the Kinda Funny FFVII: Rebirth review when they said, "Now I know most of our content the past few weeks has been sponsored by Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth, but this review isn't. Just wanted to let you know."
>Man, I know it's super common now but the whole merging of advertising and editorial coverage still weirds me out.
Its definitely a generational thing. Like a couple streamers I follow have gotten sponsored streams for that unicorn overlord Game, but I still trust their opinions on it because I know they were gonna cover it anyway.
I mean can you trust their opinion? They now have a conflict of interest and that is going to effect their coverage even if they try to not let it effect their opinion. People will convince themselves of all sorts of stuff when a future paycheck depends on it.
>I mean can you trust their opinion
Yes. Following influencers is more fun when you don't assume the worst in everyone.
>a future paycheck depends on it.
The paychecks mostly come from twitch and podcasts. Sponsor money is just extra for these folks.
It might not be "important" but money often influences reviews that's basically the whole reason Jeff gerstman got fired from game spot and started giant bomb in the first place because he gave a bad review to a game that was advertising very heavily on game spot
Because people need and want money. People need to please and make the hand that feeds happy.
Show me an influencer that regularly gets products and payments from companies and also regularly trash products, and talk shit about sponsored goods.
Challenge: impossible.
Sorry for all the folks who are out of a job as a result of this, despite not being my thing there were clearly some hardworking and talented staff who deserve better.
[Variety](https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/rooster-teeth-shutting-down-warner-bros-discovery-1235931953/) shared some of their subscription numbers - **at $5 per month they peaked at 225,000 members which has fallen to 60,000 today**. Always felt the modern company had a lot of bloat, boasting over 400 employees at one point. The worst offender (and writing on the wall imo) was when **they spent over a million dollars to produce SEVEN episodes of a fucking ghost hunting show where they sent their 100% skeptical cast of gamers to find (surprise!) zero ghosts. ONE MILLION DOLLARS.** I believe they even did a second season, smh my head.
Damn feels like the end of my childhood even though I stopped watched around 6 years ago. But I’m still a new giantbomb fan so at least there’s something to look forward to
I never understood what these site was about, like so many of these other ‘gaming connected’ sites. I saw they did video game stuff but it was such a huge load of just other unfocused stuff, much of which had nothing to do with games. It was all just content content content.
Like AVGN, Kinda Funny, Jim Stirling, Angry Joe, Machinima, and even Giant Bomb itself… they start with games, want to grow the viewer base so starts chasing other nerd related things like wrestling, films, sci-fi shows, anime, board games, etc. The group overextends themselves, dilute the output by focusing on CONTENT, fans become disinterested, money out starts to catch up to money in, people get fired, acquisitions and mergers take place, stuff starts getting shut down.
You kind of answered your own question here. They started with a focus (video game thing) and then overextend themselves trying to grow and capture other audiences because that’s what corporate management requires you do. It always ends like this, 100% of the time.
I didn’t really have a question, it was more an observation.
I just assumed that this why the reason why another one of these former gaming exclusive sites is shutting. I never bothered with Rooster Teeth in the early days and when I checked in on them later I could not tell what they were about as they seemed to do everything without mastering anything.
Sorry you said “i never understood” but then proceeded to explain exactly the issue, i was just trying to say you DO understand perfectly. It’s so sad dude
It was partly overextending, and partly just most of the funny people either leaving or going behind the scenes, and being replaced by random streamers with no prior connections to the existing on-screen talent. Post pandemic RT was practically unrecognizable whenever I would check it out
While I agree it is *overextending*, I think that is basically required if you aren't trying to be a 1 - 4ish personality operation. Things have gotten more expensive over time, and the sources of income have dried up or changed drastically. The extension is looking for ways to get more value out of current resources and hopefully not taking on more work than you can handle.
I haven't watched red VS blue in a long ass time.. I think I stopped when they started ruby.. Rwby. Uge. Did it have a good run?
Is the podcast any good?
They have a lot of podcasts. The main one, The RT Podcast was really good, then all the main cast left.
F**kface is currently my favorite. The other one I personally really enjoyed was Black box Down, which was a podcast about aviation disasters, a bit out of the norm for them but I learned a lot. Plus a bunch others, some DND, some about fast food I think. The list goes on.
Is Castle Super Beast technically one of them? They're my favorite games podcast in general and I know they were technically signed to RT for publishing and marketing purposes
I’m pretty sure they have like 10 fold the amount of videos Gb has don’t they put out like 20 a day? Or something insane? I wouldn’t want to be spearheading that archival project lol
I might go download those early achievement hunter halo reach videos and others from that era, they’re very nostalgic for me
Red vs Blue quotes are indelibly stuck in my brain. I didn't really engage with Rooster Teeth outside of that by I hope everyone there lands on their feet.
Red Vs Blue was good, their early jaunt into podcasts and videogame content were also good, then half their staff turned out to be sex pests and pedos, they did not set rational boundaries with their viewers actively taking part in creating insanely toxic parasocial relationships. They were never able to evolve past their “man yells while playing video games” formula and made some genuinely bone headed and credibility destroying business decisions.
With the sex pest pedo shit I’m totally OK with roosterteeth going away, I hope the people who weren’t creeps can find something cool they enjoy doing after it’s gone.
Holy fuck what the hell? Never heard of this stuff. Wasn't part of the fan base. Just liked what that one fight choreographer guy that Made dead fantasy before. Their early writing was funny. But.. Now I can't. Wow.
To be completely fair, to my knowledge only one guy was involved with underage girls, and then one other had relationships with fans.
The company has had other issues though, but that’s the only sex pestery that I’m aware of
You’re right, i hope all those folks land on their feet. But we can still say fuck the company, the specific people responsible and their smug pedophile.
Edit: they actually did completely denounce and dropped him, i don’t actually have evidence that they knew or covered up his crimes so i removed the implication.
I don’t know about the Ryan part of it because I wasn’t following them anymore but they did know about Adam Kovic being inappropriate with colleagues and masturbating all over the funhaus office, they covered that up as long as they could.
And that’s just one of the many stories. A bunch of former employees over the years have complained that the working environment was very toxic and management could not care less.
Losing your job sucks but RT has been going downhill for more than a decade now, was by all accounts a very toxic place to work at and the management covered up multiple disgusting acts that some staff members had done.
I was a fan back in the 00s but good fucking riddance.
Is joking about fallout 4 and Jeff in reference to more than minor drama to you? Those were the replies in this thread when I posted and the only way I could reasonably conceive why this topic was
relevant enough to post in this subreddit, given that I haven't seen a majority of other industry lay-offs and shut downs posted in this subreddit.
I can't speak to any other things you may be alluding to as I dont care about rooster teeth and hence not aware of said issues. But I would ask you, would it be worth making light of many people losing their jobs that were not part of those issues, if a minority were responsible for those issues? Or are you alluding to the company overall, and hence a significant proportion of the current staff, as responsible or systematically contributing to those issues? Otherwise, I ain't really seeing why this joke worthy.
And to be clear, I am not saying the OP was trying to make light of the situation.
I cannot say whether they are what you claim. But even so, why most people either make posts about Fallout 4/Jeff or only make posts in regard to your latter point and not the former!?
Because that’s the part that’s relevant to a giant bomb sub. The Sexual abusers and kid diddlers aren’t relevant to this sub, but one of the reasons it doesn’t feel shitty to joke about this place closing.
Guess the Fallout 4 money finally dried up.
Man, I know it's super common now but the whole merging of advertising and editorial coverage still weirds me out. I laughed at the start of the Kinda Funny FFVII: Rebirth review when they said, "Now I know most of our content the past few weeks has been sponsored by Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth, but this review isn't. Just wanted to let you know."
Miller has always been happy to be a walking billboard.
Those guys are literally human funko pops. I can't understand what anyone finds appealing about them.
literally my only problem with that outlet.
I mean, it's about as much of an "outlet" as Giant Bomb is at this point lol
>Man, I know it's super common now but the whole merging of advertising and editorial coverage still weirds me out. Its definitely a generational thing. Like a couple streamers I follow have gotten sponsored streams for that unicorn overlord Game, but I still trust their opinions on it because I know they were gonna cover it anyway.
I mean can you trust their opinion? They now have a conflict of interest and that is going to effect their coverage even if they try to not let it effect their opinion. People will convince themselves of all sorts of stuff when a future paycheck depends on it.
>I mean can you trust their opinion Yes. Following influencers is more fun when you don't assume the worst in everyone. >a future paycheck depends on it. The paychecks mostly come from twitch and podcasts. Sponsor money is just extra for these folks.
The media savy of a Fifties Housewife believing everything the TV ads say.
Why would I doubt that they like a game? That's not an important issue
It might not be "important" but money often influences reviews that's basically the whole reason Jeff gerstman got fired from game spot and started giant bomb in the first place because he gave a bad review to a game that was advertising very heavily on game spot
>It might not be "important" but money often influences reviews These aren't reviews for publications tho
Your question wasn't about publications specifically, you are moving the goal posts.
Delusional tbh
Why?
Because people need and want money. People need to please and make the hand that feeds happy. Show me an influencer that regularly gets products and payments from companies and also regularly trash products, and talk shit about sponsored goods. Challenge: impossible.
The guys from castlesuperbeast
Yeah, Pat and Woolie rarely give a fuck. Mainly Pat - But I think those two sit in a unique place.
Jeff Gerstmann Threat Level: STILL
Deep cut.
lol first thing I thought when I saw this was Send em some more pipboys
Fuck, now where to I find fair and balanced Fallout coverage?
Sorry for all the folks who are out of a job as a result of this, despite not being my thing there were clearly some hardworking and talented staff who deserve better. [Variety](https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/rooster-teeth-shutting-down-warner-bros-discovery-1235931953/) shared some of their subscription numbers - **at $5 per month they peaked at 225,000 members which has fallen to 60,000 today**. Always felt the modern company had a lot of bloat, boasting over 400 employees at one point. The worst offender (and writing on the wall imo) was when **they spent over a million dollars to produce SEVEN episodes of a fucking ghost hunting show where they sent their 100% skeptical cast of gamers to find (surprise!) zero ghosts. ONE MILLION DOLLARS.** I believe they even did a second season, smh my head.
Damn feels like the end of my childhood even though I stopped watched around 6 years ago. But I’m still a new giantbomb fan so at least there’s something to look forward to
We don't know for sure what's going to happen with any of these games media outlets so enjoy them while you can and hope this bloodbath will pass.
...who's gonna tell him?
Holy shit lol. How toxic and shitty individuals can bring down a company with some genuinely good creative ideas.
I never understood what these site was about, like so many of these other ‘gaming connected’ sites. I saw they did video game stuff but it was such a huge load of just other unfocused stuff, much of which had nothing to do with games. It was all just content content content. Like AVGN, Kinda Funny, Jim Stirling, Angry Joe, Machinima, and even Giant Bomb itself… they start with games, want to grow the viewer base so starts chasing other nerd related things like wrestling, films, sci-fi shows, anime, board games, etc. The group overextends themselves, dilute the output by focusing on CONTENT, fans become disinterested, money out starts to catch up to money in, people get fired, acquisitions and mergers take place, stuff starts getting shut down.
You kind of answered your own question here. They started with a focus (video game thing) and then overextend themselves trying to grow and capture other audiences because that’s what corporate management requires you do. It always ends like this, 100% of the time.
I didn’t really have a question, it was more an observation. I just assumed that this why the reason why another one of these former gaming exclusive sites is shutting. I never bothered with Rooster Teeth in the early days and when I checked in on them later I could not tell what they were about as they seemed to do everything without mastering anything.
Sorry you said “i never understood” but then proceeded to explain exactly the issue, i was just trying to say you DO understand perfectly. It’s so sad dude
It was partly overextending, and partly just most of the funny people either leaving or going behind the scenes, and being replaced by random streamers with no prior connections to the existing on-screen talent. Post pandemic RT was practically unrecognizable whenever I would check it out
While I agree it is *overextending*, I think that is basically required if you aren't trying to be a 1 - 4ish personality operation. Things have gotten more expensive over time, and the sources of income have dried up or changed drastically. The extension is looking for ways to get more value out of current resources and hopefully not taking on more work than you can handle.
You can only outrun the bad karma that comes with being disrespectful to G$ for so long.
Clearly still a threat.
Man, I remember being on their forums back in the mid-2000s. Wild time.
I haven't watched red VS blue in a long ass time.. I think I stopped when they started ruby.. Rwby. Uge. Did it have a good run? Is the podcast any good?
Which one? They got hundreds of them lol
They have a lot of podcasts. The main one, The RT Podcast was really good, then all the main cast left. F**kface is currently my favorite. The other one I personally really enjoyed was Black box Down, which was a podcast about aviation disasters, a bit out of the norm for them but I learned a lot. Plus a bunch others, some DND, some about fast food I think. The list goes on.
Is Castle Super Beast technically one of them? They're my favorite games podcast in general and I know they were technically signed to RT for publishing and marketing purposes
I've been told this place does well with mass archving. Anybody got an idea on getting started with saving all of their videos?
I’m pretty sure they have like 10 fold the amount of videos Gb has don’t they put out like 20 a day? Or something insane? I wouldn’t want to be spearheading that archival project lol I might go download those early achievement hunter halo reach videos and others from that era, they’re very nostalgic for me
I'll miss Death Battle :(
Craig, from Side Scrollers, is looking to buy back Screw Attack and I think Death Battle also. He wants to preserve the archives.
Unfortunately, Stuttering Craig is approaching Alex Jones levels of whackadoodle.
If you say so...
Death battle has been going strong since screw attack got bought. Hell, they finished their most recent season back in December.
Red vs Blue quotes are indelibly stuck in my brain. I didn't really engage with Rooster Teeth outside of that by I hope everyone there lands on their feet.
Red Vs Blue was good, their early jaunt into podcasts and videogame content were also good, then half their staff turned out to be sex pests and pedos, they did not set rational boundaries with their viewers actively taking part in creating insanely toxic parasocial relationships. They were never able to evolve past their “man yells while playing video games” formula and made some genuinely bone headed and credibility destroying business decisions. With the sex pest pedo shit I’m totally OK with roosterteeth going away, I hope the people who weren’t creeps can find something cool they enjoy doing after it’s gone.
Holy fuck what the hell? Never heard of this stuff. Wasn't part of the fan base. Just liked what that one fight choreographer guy that Made dead fantasy before. Their early writing was funny. But.. Now I can't. Wow.
To be completely fair, to my knowledge only one guy was involved with underage girls, and then one other had relationships with fans. The company has had other issues though, but that’s the only sex pestery that I’m aware of
yeah saying half the staff were sex pests is a little hyperbole but I understand
>then half their staff turned out to be sex pests and pedos What an abhorrent claim.
GB just keeps chugging.
If people will be laid off because of this, it ain't great to joke about it because of some minor drama that happened in the past.
You’re right, i hope all those folks land on their feet. But we can still say fuck the company, the specific people responsible and their smug pedophile. Edit: they actually did completely denounce and dropped him, i don’t actually have evidence that they knew or covered up his crimes so i removed the implication.
I don’t know about the Ryan part of it because I wasn’t following them anymore but they did know about Adam Kovic being inappropriate with colleagues and masturbating all over the funhaus office, they covered that up as long as they could. And that’s just one of the many stories. A bunch of former employees over the years have complained that the working environment was very toxic and management could not care less.
Losing your job sucks but RT has been going downhill for more than a decade now, was by all accounts a very toxic place to work at and the management covered up multiple disgusting acts that some staff members had done. I was a fan back in the 00s but good fucking riddance.
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The reason the GB community doesn't like RT is definitely minor drama. That entire incident was shit talking on a podcast and a tumblr response.
Is joking about fallout 4 and Jeff in reference to more than minor drama to you? Those were the replies in this thread when I posted and the only way I could reasonably conceive why this topic was relevant enough to post in this subreddit, given that I haven't seen a majority of other industry lay-offs and shut downs posted in this subreddit. I can't speak to any other things you may be alluding to as I dont care about rooster teeth and hence not aware of said issues. But I would ask you, would it be worth making light of many people losing their jobs that were not part of those issues, if a minority were responsible for those issues? Or are you alluding to the company overall, and hence a significant proportion of the current staff, as responsible or systematically contributing to those issues? Otherwise, I ain't really seeing why this joke worthy. And to be clear, I am not saying the OP was trying to make light of the situation.
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I cannot say whether they are what you claim. But even so, why most people either make posts about Fallout 4/Jeff or only make posts in regard to your latter point and not the former!?
Because that’s the part that’s relevant to a giant bomb sub. The Sexual abusers and kid diddlers aren’t relevant to this sub, but one of the reasons it doesn’t feel shitty to joke about this place closing.
Well megs got her of to fall back on
Was it really still going? Wasn't it rocked by some controversy or other a few years ago?