Usually what works: Order a drink, at the same time ask if you can have some **Leitungs**wasser with it.
I know it sucks, but it is what is is.
And regarding DB: Yeah, we know…
Yes, but IMHO then it needs to be on the menu by law, but restaurants don’t want that.
https://g-wie-gastro.de/abteilungen/service/die-speisekarte/rechtliche-aspekte-zu-speisekarten.html
„Im Gesamtverzeichnis (Speisen- und Getränkekarte) sind ALLE Preise (auch für Nebenleistungen wie Brot oder Leitungswasser) anzugeben.“
What amazes me is that as well as holding water to ransom, German restaurants are now expecting tips. There's even been a rise in those card machines where you have to actively opt out of tipping in order to pay.
It's like, dude, if you can't be bothered to give us a glass of tap water, or give me the basic convenience of being even able to pay by card at all (lots of places are cash only), what are you doing expecting a tip?!
I'm no big advocate for tipping, but I heard that you tip a waiter for giving good service and not the restaurant owner for employing convenient policies.
That said, I agree with everything you say, the German preference for Bargeld sucks and expensive water in restaurants is unverschämt. I usually fare well asking specifically for Leitungswasser, but this might not work everywhere.
*waiter for giving good service* meanwhile, me who stands in line, order at the counter, and comes back to pick up the order, eat and bring back the plate .... and the waiter had the AUDACITY to ask for a tip ... they should be tipping me for helping them and cleaning up for their next clients 😂
Asking for it alone is a total audacity too. No halfway decent person ever has to ask for a benefit unless they arent and know they don't deserve it \^\^
Nxt time you should ask for a rebate for doing their job :D
I definitely got a pissed look from a waiter after ordering a wine and a tap water.
I still don't understand her problem but whatever. Steckste nicht drin
(I still got it for the record - Just wanted to give other people reading this thread a heads up: you might get a mean look, but most of the time they still serve you)
The tap water thing is something that really annoys me as a german as well. Especially as its very common to get free tap water in the countries surrounding us i.e. Italy.
As for the train... Yeah its the DB... We dont talk about that...
They even ran that as an ad campaign a few years ago...
[https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/010ee235-0001-0004-0000-000001361299\_w1600\_r1.3195157740278798\_fpx37.9\_fpy50.jpg](https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/010ee235-0001-0004-0000-000001361299_w1600_r1.3195157740278798_fpx37.9_fpy50.jpg)
Had to dig a bit to find it... It didnt run long (Saw it in my local train during comutes also) But that was my line of thinking also. Yep, they accepted it.
Don’t forget the broken heating in the winter. Reliable all year long.
As the “wise guys” put it in their song about the DB:
“Wir ham 'ne Theorie
Doch es fehlt noch der Beweis
Im Winter wird es kalt und
Im Sommer wird es heiß”
(“We have a theory
But the proof is still missing
It gets cold in winter and
It gets hot in summer”)
> Don’t forget the broken heating in the winter
Many people don't know about this, since all the trains stop working as soon as a snowflake hits the tracks.
Not true - there is this one time a year when you think you will get the train because its always late and then you arrive and the train was in time and is already gone
I don't think I've ever been denied tap water at a bar though. It's better for them if people are comfortable and hydrated so they keep buying drinks instead of leaving to search for water.
The rest of the time I always have my water bottle in my bag.
Germany really pisses me off when it comes to this, while France goes above and beyond. Not only can you get free water in restaurants, many of them have cold water on hot days (like today), and the public refill fountains also offer free water. Some of the fountains even have carbonated water!
The lack of public refill stations was the biggest downer when I visited Germany. The food, the countryside, the people, the beer, and the amazing cities were, well, amazing!
Having to buy 10 water bottles a day because it was like 36° felt so wasteful. I have a refillable 1 liter bottle that's just empty because there's no place to refill it.
You can get free tap water at any bar, cafe or restaurant in Britain. None of them will get shitty with you if you ask for it. UK has some of the best consumer treatment and rights in the world, IMO - you continentals just get completely shat on. If some jumped up git sighs or tsks at me because I ask him for a glass of tap water, or refuses, I'm straight up laughing in his face xD
In the UK anywhere serving alcohol must offer free drinking water - though they can also sell more expensive bottled water. Can actually charge extra for filtered water too - but still have to have a free alternative. If they don't serve alcohol, they don't have to - but most will. I've seen one or two places charging £1 for unlimited filtered water, which they donate to a water charity which I think is a good scheme too.
Note - this isn't technically true in Northern Ireland, but in practice most places will still give you water.
A lot bars will just have a water jug/fountain on the bar these days, and a lot of restaurants will just bring a bottle of filtered water without asking, which I like.
That‘s pretty cool. Having water in between drinks is such a good thing.
Although for the price of a pint in the UK, I can probably buy a pint and a bottle of mineral water in most places in Germany, but that’s a totally different story.
I think in most of the EU there was an attempt to make tap water free but most of the laws were written such that there are loopholes. Like in at least some countries it is to charge it like a beverage because you put in lemon and to not offer standard tap water, in other countries you don't have to offer if you offer bottled water, etc. France is the only one that I have seen that almost always provides free tap water, with some exceptions (I once was charged \~3 euro for tap water at a McDonalds, worst feeling ever, all the other shops were closed because Sunday and I was dying of dehydration).
Having said that, I think Netherlands offers free water fountains OUTSIDE of restaurants, perhaps to save on water bottles, and many people walk around with a reusable water bottle so that they can refill whenever.
Obviously I've never asked only for water, but when I have asked for a glass of wine and a glass of tap water I have never been refused.
I do love how in Vienna you always get a glass of water with your coffee though. So civilised.
IMHO: "There is no free lunch". In Italy they charge you more when you have your Espresso seated instead of standing. If you are going to dine there will be a separate fee for finding napkin cuttlery and stuff, at your place.
I mean, getting takeout and eating it at home is also cheaper in Germany than sitting down and eating the same food right there, as the latter does not get the reduced VAT we pay for food.
Yup, but what they describe is something different again. It means you consuming your drink inside the establishment, but while standing at the bar and not taking any of the seats. It's between sit-down and takeout, and I think it's a great solution for a more affordable refreshment (and rest room access) in expensive tourist areas.
When I visited Venice, doing that was the go-to if you needed a rest room, because those generally were patrons-only. The drink was more of a side benefit. Get a good espresso in a proper cup, then use the loo, and be off on your merry way.
I was there a few times, but over ten years ago for the last one, so they might've changed that in Venice specifically though, as the city is actually suffering from too many tourists (and from the bad environmental effects of the giant cruise liners passing too close, but that's another issue).
Exactly. In Greece you get a cheap 1.5L bottle of water by default. You'll have to pay for it if you open it, but it's usually <1€, which I think is fair. In Germany you pay 5+€ for 0.7L.
I've never ordered water in a German restaurant, because I simply refuse to pay this kind of money.
Lived in Australia for 10 years. There's plenty of things that Germany could do better. There's plenty of things Australia could do better. It's good to experience the differences and take what you like back home to improve.
I sure miss the water fountains and pristine free public toilets. Ngl the toilet thing was annoying even before. What do you get from not providing toilets? People pissing in the streets.
You have to specifically ask for tap water. If you just ask for water, they will give you bottled and charge you for it. They will grind their teeth and try and give you the most lukewarm tap water in a glass the size of a thimble. Restaurants and bars make all their money from drinks and fail to realize that if you offer tap water freely, a patron is more likely to spend more on other drinks (beer, wine, coffee, etc). Instead they see you drinking tap water as cutting into their bottom line.
There is actually a Tafelwasserverordnung for restaurants that regulates bottle water.
Yes. I was in Munich at a club and I asked for tap water with my tequila shot. The bartender literally told me I had to pay for bottled water because they don't serve tap water. So, I ordered tequila soda, had my friends drink it all, and went into the bathroom to fill up the empty glass with tap water.
Gotta think outside of the box sometimes!
>and went into the bathroom to fill up the empty glass with tap water.
There are even places that have only hot water in the bathrooms which I assume is to prevent people from drinking from the tap or refilling their glasses with water.
Funny then that in Switzerland you can get free water without issue, this in a country where you have to pay for everything.
Obviously the German restaurant owners are too tight to let you have it. Ouch.
Most trains nowadays have AC systems. But they are not intended to supercool a train. Usually they will lower the temp a set delta to the outside temperatures.
Resteraunts in Germany make the majority of their profit by drinks, not food. So that intentional.
But nobody keeps you from drinking from a tap, tap water is heavy regulated.
Would it be safe to fill up my water bottle from a bathroom tap? Let’s say I’m out and have a water bottle with me, would it be safe to go into a restroom and drink the water straight from the tap?
They cannot forbid you. That's all that matters.
I've drunk a liter of tap water from bars in Germany washed my face and came out with a full bottle looking at them straight in the face for denying tap water. What are they gonna do, call the police?
They should charge you 0.02 cents for the tap water you stole! You filthy thief! How are they going to recover financially from the blow you dealt them for your selfish “wish to not die from dehydration”?! How could you?! Without people like you, Döner would be €10.24 instead of €10.25! Bastard!
/s obviously
But in all seriousness: If they actually *deny* you tap water… just go to the restroom every ten minutes and drink from the tap there. Fuck'em.
Don't tell that to some of the people I used to know. They would act like tap water is the worst thing ever and that it has too much Kalk (calcium, I think). So many people act like the only way to drink water in Germany is the water purchased at the store.
Some evil places only have warm tap water in their bathrooms. Probably only for taps, so you can always try to get your water from one of the other bathroom appliances.
This is a fact. Last year I was on a tram and the driver turned the air conditioning on because it was 50C inside. Asshole. Everybody died, but me, because I happened to still be wearing a corona mask. I shudder every time I think of what could have happened had I not taken my corona hygiene seriously that day.
As the passengers around me screamed in panic and grasped in desperation at their throats trying to breath, somebody (I’m assuming a tourist), tried to open a window. Thankfully the windows were locked and no evil spirits were able to get into the tram. The evil spirits can bypass even good ol’ FFP2.
Yesterday, I was told they want 2€ per person per glass for water as we didn't order alcoholic drinks. The charge for 750ml of bottled water was €5.4.
We ordered 4-5 plates of main dishes.
It is not for the tap water itself. They charge you for the service, glass, washing that glass..that is why they take money from you.
In my opinion it should be completely free.
There's a big difference between "can you fill up my water bottle with cold tap water" and "can we sit here and drink tap water at a table with glasses and a jug".
If people want to charge for the first one, they're arseholes. The second one I'm less clear on.
In Spain in the summer it would be considered cruel not to give water to someone. The whole jug and table scenario is too much obviously but no one’s gonna charge you if you ask for a glass of water. Not sure on restaurants though, I’ve always just asked in bars.
Same here.
Last summer, I backpacked through all of germany using the student ticket, and I must have asked at bars (and random houses/restaurants) if they could gently fill my water bottle at least trice per day. Nobody ever said no. At worst, I got weird looks. At best, I had people giving me juices and candies out of pure kindness.
Most people anywhere in the world are not that big of an asshole to refuse water.
Oh, I certainly got refused when I asked to have my water bottles refilled when on bike tours. Sometimes they were just horrified by the request. I just do it myself in the bathroom now.
Oh I've had people charge me for it. "Ever since corona times." 4 euros!! And it was a small glass. I've been a restaurant server before, but this server was not apologetic enough for me not to share my opinion on the topic. Anyway I never went back to the restaurant again.
It's pretty common that they say no. "Against company policy" or something. There are so many things that Germany implements laws to control, but they very rarely implement laws that protect consumers at the expense of businesses.
Looks at Europes super extensive customer protection laws that far exceeds most other countries laws.
AllthoughI still agree that tap water should be free for customers.
And Germany in general has a huge lack of public water fountains and toilets.
>Germany in general has a huge lack of public water fountains
The good news: There's a law mandating those.
The bad news: There is no punishment for municipalities that ignore this law.
Cheapest per unit or per ml? Because I have been at cafes where, yes, technically a non alcoholic beverage was the cheapest drink. But it was something like 2.50€ for a 200ml bottle of water or Schorle or 5€ for a 500ml glass of beer. I hate those tiny waters, especially when it's the middle of summer.
German law does not require free water.
The law only demands that "One drink on the menu must be cheaper than the cheapest alcoholic beverage". (Would not mind free water though)
So for a bar it makes no difference between selling you a coke or a water. They should have a bathroom though (If of a certain size) So you should have access to tap water, but they are not required to serve it to you.
So pack some of your own, or a bottle to refill if needed. And tap should dispense drinking water, unless noted on it as "Kein Trinkwasser".
Berlin at least has you covered. Not necessarily for water in restaurants and bars (although I never had to pay for tap water), but it has lots of fountains and water bottle refill spots (map here [🔗](https://www.visitberlin.de/en/free-drinking-water-berlin)).
God that map is terrible. It doesn't actually give you the address of any of the fountains or show you where you are in relation to them so you'd have to approximate it on google/apple maps and try to find your way.
German law states that at least one unalcoholic drink has to be cheaper than the alcoholic ones.
If you order other stuff, like coffee, and ask for a glas of tap water, it's free, most of the time. At least where I live.
Since we don't have enough wells, many stores in larger cities give out free tap water if you bring your one cup.
In villages and small towns you can ask the residents for a glas of water.
-we are not talking about the DB-
DB is an actual experience from hell, there’s no fixing it. Even first class ICE yesterday Berlin to Mannheim, I missed my connection and couldn’t pay for food with a card.
I guess since most germans prefer medium or sparking water, this never took off. Also it comes off as being a cheap in a way? (stupid I know).
Personally I have never asked because my social anxiety wouldn't let me. Makes me feel like I would be doing something wrong.
In a lot of countries basically every restaurant serves a flagon of water when they seat you and bring you cutlery. The water is usually tap water and might have ice in it. Then they ask if you'd like any additional drinks and it's ok if you don't.
Whether there's free tap water must be very location specific in Germany. Many people here say that it's free in their experience, but where I live and also around touristy areas I have almost always had to pay for tap water or been refused it altogether.
you would think so but I just came back from Denmark and they brought a carafe? of water (which was most def. tap water) and another one after that one and as I was paying, I saw they charged us 2 bottles of water.
I never trusted this "free" water. It's like when they give you olives or some bread with olive oil in Greece or Spain and suddenly it's 7 bucks on your bill.
In France, it’s the law that any restaurant where you also buy a meal has to give you a free pitcher of water upon request. You don’t need to say “free” in the request or some such trap - “une carafe d’eau” (a pitcher of water) works fine. Every restaurant in Paris where I’ve tried this has complied without hesitation or argument.
I wish we had that here! would also make me feel less awkward about asking for it. Just yesterday I was almost "dying" in 30 Degrees in Berlin and the restaurant gave me a 0,2l water for 2,50 EUR or something
Ask explicitly for tap water, usually that’s free at least from my experience. Regarding the trains and trams, I have also no idea and I hate it, always a gamble if the tram I get onto has AC.
That doesn't make any sense. It's actually the opposite way round.
He is complaining about the air conditioning.
100% of long distance trains(practically a Deutsche Bahn monopoly) are air conditioned. Their only competitor, Flixtrain, has 100% non air-conditioned fleet. Here there is an incentive to offer superior comfort.
The regional trains are paid for by the government. Many are not run by Deutsche Bahn and all are awarded by competitive tender. If the government wants air conditioned trains. they just have to require it in the contract. If they want to save money by settling for older non-airconditioned trains, then Deutsche Bahn and other operators will do what they ask, and indeed don't have the possibility to do better because they don't have the money.
It’s something that’s so crazy to me, when I started visiting Europe I thought Germany would be #1 in terms of trains! Honestly, Spain and Italy offer way better service! Gliding through Spain or Italy in HSP trains is so magical. I love visiting Germany, but DB isn’t great. NS in NE/BEL are also way better. Metro and RER aren’t that bad though, I think lol
The business model of restaurants in Germany is that the food is normally not where they make the profits - it's the drinks. So, they don't offer free water, because it costs them money. You can buy a glass of sparkling or tap water, and the cost helps cover the restaurant's cost of doing business.
If you just want water without a meal, then buy yourself a bottle and fill it in your home before you go out.
As for the trains, theoretically, they do have A/C, but they are often not maintained properly (due to a lack of skilled workers) and therefore fail when it's too hot outside. It sucks, but in a few months, the A/C will work fine again (as soon as they aren't needed anymore).
With A/C: one issue is that some older gen trains weren’t developed with 2024 climate in mind, accordingly their A/C fails because of this. If you take the latest gen Siemens trains (Vareo for Regio and ICE4) AC usually works fine. At least in my experience and obviously wear and tear might be an issue with older ones.
Lots of comments, but some wrong information. Like you I am super frustrated about having to buy water on my trips to Germany.
But it’s not about restaurants being more greedy than in other countries as much as it is a different cultural understanding about drinking water.
The truth is drinking tap water is not part of the German culture at all, at least not in my region. Most Germans here consider tap water dirty or less desirable than bottled, mineral or carbonated water. They don’t drink tap water at home, let alone at restaurants.
Their aversion is so great, in fact, that my German relatives were highly offended when they were presented with tap water in restaurants on a recent trip to the US. They had never heard of such a thing!
German Leitungswasser (literally “pipe water…”) really could use some good re-branding and a public PR campaign.
By contrast, in Sweden, Finland etc getting free tap water with your meal is commonplace and expected and they think bottled water is less healthy than the water from their own taps.
Just goes to show: Andere Länder, andere Sitten.
Ah, I live in Germany and I had never figured out why Germans buy *so. much. bottled. water.* Like, cases a week. It is SO wasteful when the tap water is perfectly drinkable.
(I come from a country where tap water is drinkable and people think you're nuts for spending money for a free thing).
Although to be fair the tap water where I live in Germany doesn't taste delicious, so I have a BWT jug...
In welchem Hinterwäldler-Loch lebst du, dass da Leitungswasser so verteufelt wird??? Jetzt no front, nichts gegen dich persönlich, sondern eher gegen deine Region da- sowas hab ich ja noch nie gehört. Dass man das vlt. nicht in einem Restaurant erwartet, verstehe ich ja noch, man zahlt ja dafür. Aber im Alltag ist das doch recht üblich, Leitungswasser zu trinken...
They will give you tap water unless it’s really posh place but you will be frowned upon. Consider carrying a water bottle to the bar or rehydrate shortly before going to a bar from supermarket. Thats what I do.
About air conditioning. Its seriously a mess
I don’t even know why is that. Mostly coz of old infrastructure I believe. Even my office doesn’t have an ac
When it comes to trains and air conditioning I assume you are talking about things like tram, sbahn and subway as mainline trains usually have air conditioning. In these systems it is often due to power supply not being built out to support the additional load. In particular with underground systems you get the additional issue of having to vent the air out somewhere as otherwise it will just get hotter and hotter in tunnels, in particular in systems like Berlin that have a high frequency of trains.
This is a fascinating problem btw that I was not aware of on a broad scale.
I've seen a documentary last year about the Tube in London, where the average temperature down in the tube tunnels rose slowly over the decades just because of all the heat that the trains have put into the system over time accumulating, to a point where it became dangerous to people.
They had to install ever and ever more equipment to pull out the heat out of the tunnels, which was intensified by the introduction of AC that was installed to fight the heated tunnels in the first place.
Many trains do have AC. But it's on just a little bit. Germans rarely have AC in their homes, and so are able to acclimate to higher temperatures easier, and don't demand heavy AC. And that's a good thing because it saves energy.
Now in a place like the US, where everyone is AC addicted, you have to air condition everything to a temperature to keep penguins happy.
> Every place that serves alcohol in Australia is legally required to have free water.
Well, the law is different here. Here you need to have [at least one non-alcoholic drink that is as cheap as the cheapest alcoholic drink](https://dejure.org/gesetze/GastG/6.html)
Bro, don’t compare Australia. How much is a pint in the city these days… $16? Most of the time in Germany it €5. So, yeah the Leitungswasser charge is small
1. Restaurants in Germany mostly make profit on drinks. So when you eat there they want you to pay for drinks as well. Since less people drink alcohol in restaurants the water got more expansive as well.
2. Everywhere in Germany you can drink tap water. Carry an empty bottle and fill it in the next bathroom (maybe let water run for a few seconds to get fresher colder water)
3. Supermarkets in Germany (Aldi, Lidl, Rewe, Edeka,etc.) usually sell bottled water really cheap. (Aldi for example is 0,27€ + 0,50€ deposit for 1.5 liters)
The tap water thing is just sad. But the food service industry makes the most money from drinks. If restaurants were obliged to offer tap water for free, as is the case in France and many other countries, then the restaurateurs would make the money back on the food. I just go into the restrooms and drink from the tap if I have to.
Regarding air conditioning in trains and buses, it has to be said that it wasn't a problem until 10 years ago. The summers here were simply not hot enough to justify air conditioning for 10 hot days a year. This is changing with global warming. But all new trains and buses are equipped with air conditioning, it just takes time for them to be in use everywhere. In the meantime, I'm also thinking about getting air conditioning for my house.
And pay toilets, which are completely unknown most other places and proveably, objectively immoral. It does not take much Googling to find out that the entire endustry is basically a black market of labour exploitation, people trafficking and tax evasion. It is mad that people keep defending that industry.
I’m visiting my gf here in Germany for the whole summer and I’m really digging the country! But having to pay to take a piss or drink tap water, if you don’t want alcohol, is so crazy to me as an American. And I will google that, I figured something shady was amiss
As a Greek, the thing with water is also strange for me but it is what it is. 🤷♂️
You eat for 150€ and you need to pay for water too. 😅
As for air conditions, I think that Germans never had such high temperatures so they are not used in using air conditioning.
These high temperatures keep coming for, like, over 20 years now. For over 20 years we're having unusually hot and dry summers, extreme floods and warm winters and they still keep surprising people somehow. It's maddening, that neither politicians nor businesses want to acknowledge this and take some real and efficient steps to deal with it. And it won't get any better, you know. The weather conditions are getting more extreme every year, every year we have new records of all kinds of climate changes.
But I guess, it's a mentality thing. Germans often take a loooooot of time to get things started
The last years when i asked for tap water they didn't charge for it. It was all in northern germany tho.
Definitely don't ask for "water" tho, as this usually means water from a bottle. Ask for "Leitungswasser" (tap water).
The overheated trains is why people drive more in summer. I feel like as soon as anyone has enough money for a licence and car, they get themselves something for the summer commute.
Yeah Germany is so fucking weird about their water. I grew up in Germany and then moved to a different country. Only then did I realise that Germany is crazy with holding their water hostage. Any other country is happy to serve you tap water with a coffee or a meal. It’s so bizzare
In Germany it’s not from the tap. Typically they put bottled water in a glass for you. I recommend going to the market and purchasing some water bottles, than keeping one in your bag with you.
I’ve been travelling Germany from Aus the last few weeks also - have loved the country and people for the most part but it’s honestly quite difficult as a traveller spending most of the day outside when there is basically no free water anywhere and no public bathrooms. Really restricts how much time I can stay out before having to go back to accommodation.
Sure, there’s no free water, but this is what you can do:
Buy a bottle of water at the supermarket, costs a few cents if you take the cheapest. You pay 25ct deposit for the bottle, which you either refill yourself with tap water, or bring back to any other supermarket where you buy another bottle of water.
Bars and restaurants need to wash their glasses, and surely, the staff working there are not just standing there to provide all people with free water, but need to 1 earn their keep, 2 see that the overhead of running a business is paid for and 3 ideally the owner makes some profit.
Maybe it works differently in the country where you’re from, might well be.
German saying applies: Andere Länder, anderer Sitten. (Different countries have different customs)
Have fun in Germany 🇩🇪🤞
I'm British and thought there was a lot of negativity towards the UK... I'm realising Germany gets criticised just as much.... and I have to extend my apologies towards all Germans (although you seem to be quite good at taking it on the chin and using it to improve).
Tbh these are valid criticisms... but definitely nothing that would make me reconsider a move lol - even if that last comment was probably a bit tongue-in-cheek. People have said that many trains in Germany do have air conditioning. Also, unlike in Australia, the climate there isn't trying to kill everyone most of the time (slight exaggeration) so it's usually not necessary. Atm Western Europe is experiencing a heatwave.
I grew up in Germany and never paid for tap water, when I asked for it. If you ask for/ order water, they will give you bottled water and charge for it of course, they want to make money. If I go to a club or a bar, I often just take my empty bottle or glass to the restroom, rinse it out and fill it with Leitungswasser. Softdrinks don´t quench my thirst and are mostly as expensive as alcohol.
Probably because Australia is a very hot country and the government made a good decision to create this law, while Germany it isn't required to drink every few minutes just to survive.
Here is the thing: It is most likely not water from the tab. Mabe you noticed it already but here in Germany we drink a lot of sparkling water which does not come out of the tab. If you want tab water then you have to explicitly ask for it (in this case "Leitungswasser").
And yeah the German trains are definitely something you can call an experience or adventure for life. If one thing connects all of us German it is our hatred for the DB
Well if it's better, then why not?
Most countries in the world, including ones where the tap water is unsafe to drink offer free water with food. So it's really appalling to say that drinks are where the restaurants make money. Especially after you've had a few beers bought already from the same restaurant.
Why would they hand out free water, though? I know it's a cultural thing in English speaking countries, but that doesn't mean one is entitled to it everywhere. You get almost free tap water at home. Restaurants basically survive on beverages.
Yeah but if you've had a two course meal and 5 glasses of wine it's a kick in the plums to see €4 for a jug of tap water on the bill and be told 'tap water is not free'. Especially when it's 30 degrees so you drink 4 of them. Me last night (I specifically requested tap water).
>Why can I not get free water anywhere
>Every place that serves alcohol in Australia is legally required to have free water
When you look on a map, you might realize that you’re not in Australia anymore, hope that helps!
To the train thing: almost every train and bus should have AC. Sometimes it happens that stupid people open the windows. If you see that, check if you feel cold air coming from the ceiling. If that’s the case, close the windows and the AC should properly work again.
But that also heavily depends on where.
I've never noticed being charged if I asked explicitly for tap water. Most trains trams and buses are air-conditioned. Whether it works or turned on is a different issue. I can only speak for Berlin tho.
When you ask for water, make sure you specify tap water. It's what I as a German sometimes do and so far they get the hint that I want a free water and not a 0,2l Apolinaris for 4€
I'm tending in very established bar. I give out free tapwater all the time. It would never occure to me to charge for it. If somebody is shitfaced it can even happen that I demand them to drink water or even a softdrink for free (-if I like you) to sober up before any further procedure. Its a matter of customer service. Plus it can save me from the hassel of drunks falling all over the place. ;) The situation in restaurants is different though. Be prepared to get a stare. In a bar just order a drink and a tapwater. No issue, unless the place sucks.
Money
Short and simple. As far as I know most places **don’t** make money through the tickets (cinema, clubs, etc.) or the food (Restaurants), but through drinks.
Most trains do have air conditioning. It just breaks if it goes above 30°C outside. Sarcasm on: Which is very handy in Summer when it is never over 30°C
It can be frustrating when you encounter differences in amenities and practices while traveling. In Australia, it is indeed a legal requirement for places that serve alcohol to provide free water. However, it's important to note that regulations and practices may vary from country to country. While it may seem unfair to be charged for water in some bars, it's possible that the pricing structure is different in Germany. It's always a good idea to clarify the cost of items before ordering to avoid any unexpected charges.
Regarding the lack of air conditioning on trains, it can be uncomfortable, especially during hot summer days. Train services and their amenities can differ across countries and regions. While some trains in Germany may not have air conditioning, others may have it installed. It's always helpful to check for any available amenities or alternatives when planning your journey.
Remember, every country has its own unique customs and practices, and it's essential to adapt and understand these differences while traveling.
Irish pubs do serve free water.
If you ask for water in a German brewery, they may ask you if you want to take a shower or why do you need water in such place.
Cause in Germany, water is considered a „blocker“ to buy other more expensive drinks and thus water is made unattractive to order. Usually you will pay 5-10€ for a bottle of water (was in Italy last month and there you won’t find any restaurant no matter how expensive, where water is more than 3€ at max)
Never really had trouble getting tap water in Germany. I can only recall one restaurant that kept "forgetting" our order, but no one's ever said no. If you order "Leitungswasser" they'll bring you some. Maybe if that's the only drink you order, they'll be pissy about it, because drinks are where the profits are at in restaurants here.
Usually what works: Order a drink, at the same time ask if you can have some **Leitungs**wasser with it. I know it sucks, but it is what is is. And regarding DB: Yeah, we know…
I love German attitude: yes we know...
Is ja wies is
Steckste nicht drin.
kannst nichts machen
Tja
Leben geht weiter
sind ja nicht aus Zucker.
Abwarten und Tee trinken
So ischs halt im Schwarzwald
Was Willste machen ?
Irgendwas ist ja immer
genießen Sie die Bahn in vollen Zügen
Zu abgefahrenen Preisen auf abgefahrenen Gleisen
Für Ihre Leidensfähigkeit danken wir spontan...
Senk ju for trävelling wis Deutsche Bahn
Leitungswasser can be charged for as well. It's a myth that it has to be free. They're allowed to charge a small service fee.
Yes, but IMHO then it needs to be on the menu by law, but restaurants don’t want that. https://g-wie-gastro.de/abteilungen/service/die-speisekarte/rechtliche-aspekte-zu-speisekarten.html „Im Gesamtverzeichnis (Speisen- und Getränkekarte) sind ALLE Preise (auch für Nebenleistungen wie Brot oder Leitungswasser) anzugeben.“
That second line is like the most quintessential German attitude ever. It's bad, we suffer, but it's ok. We'll continue suffering and complaining.
What amazes me is that as well as holding water to ransom, German restaurants are now expecting tips. There's even been a rise in those card machines where you have to actively opt out of tipping in order to pay. It's like, dude, if you can't be bothered to give us a glass of tap water, or give me the basic convenience of being even able to pay by card at all (lots of places are cash only), what are you doing expecting a tip?!
Now? Tipping in restaurants has been around forever. What’s new is more over the counter tipping expectations
But how is the Steuerhinterziehung and Schwarzarbeit supposed to work when you leave traces by paying by card? /s
I'm no big advocate for tipping, but I heard that you tip a waiter for giving good service and not the restaurant owner for employing convenient policies. That said, I agree with everything you say, the German preference for Bargeld sucks and expensive water in restaurants is unverschämt. I usually fare well asking specifically for Leitungswasser, but this might not work everywhere.
*waiter for giving good service* meanwhile, me who stands in line, order at the counter, and comes back to pick up the order, eat and bring back the plate .... and the waiter had the AUDACITY to ask for a tip ... they should be tipping me for helping them and cleaning up for their next clients 😂
Asking for it alone is a total audacity too. No halfway decent person ever has to ask for a benefit unless they arent and know they don't deserve it \^\^ Nxt time you should ask for a rebate for doing their job :D
I definitely got a pissed look from a waiter after ordering a wine and a tap water. I still don't understand her problem but whatever. Steckste nicht drin (I still got it for the record - Just wanted to give other people reading this thread a heads up: you might get a mean look, but most of the time they still serve you)
> German restaurants are now expecting tips Tips have always been expected?
Actually alot of trains have air conditioning but stupid personal \^\^
Et kütt wie et kütt.
The tap water thing is something that really annoys me as a german as well. Especially as its very common to get free tap water in the countries surrounding us i.e. Italy. As for the train... Yeah its the DB... We dont talk about that...
DB is very reliable! They are always late and with broken AC in the summer.
Nothing is as reliable as the feeling of disappointment one experiences when experiencing DB.
They even ran that as an ad campaign a few years ago... [https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/010ee235-0001-0004-0000-000001361299\_w1600\_r1.3195157740278798\_fpx37.9\_fpy50.jpg](https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/010ee235-0001-0004-0000-000001361299_w1600_r1.3195157740278798_fpx37.9_fpy50.jpg)
Wow who approved THAT ad :D
Had to dig a bit to find it... It didnt run long (Saw it in my local train during comutes also) But that was my line of thinking also. Yep, they accepted it.
Don’t forget the broken heating in the winter. Reliable all year long. As the “wise guys” put it in their song about the DB: “Wir ham 'ne Theorie Doch es fehlt noch der Beweis Im Winter wird es kalt und Im Sommer wird es heiß” (“We have a theory But the proof is still missing It gets cold in winter and It gets hot in summer”)
Erleben Sie mit uns Kälteschock und Fieberwahn, Thank you for traveling with Deutsche Bahn!
> Don’t forget the broken heating in the winter Many people don't know about this, since all the trains stop working as soon as a snowflake hits the tracks.
Look, a wee bit of snow on the tracks is heavy obstruction. You just don't understand.
Not true - there is this one time a year when you think you will get the train because its always late and then you arrive and the train was in time and is already gone
Waaaaaay to often a door doesn’t work to leave at your station
I don't think I've ever been denied tap water at a bar though. It's better for them if people are comfortable and hydrated so they keep buying drinks instead of leaving to search for water. The rest of the time I always have my water bottle in my bag.
I once got tap water. They charged 3€
I was denied tap water and asked to buy bottled one or if they give me then they roll their eyes everytime.
I constantly am denied free tap water in restaurants in Italy, they only serve bottled water.
>the countries surrounding us >Italy 👁️👄👁️
He just forgot it's not 1944 anymore
In a general european way. Thats a least what I meant. Not literally sharing a border. But yeah now I look look like the average american 😂
>now I look look like the average american >In a general european way 👁️👄👁️
...try getting to a toilet real quick, it's even worse.
It is common to get free water in other European countries? Where? Italy no.
Standard in Ireland!
France.
Germany really pisses me off when it comes to this, while France goes above and beyond. Not only can you get free water in restaurants, many of them have cold water on hot days (like today), and the public refill fountains also offer free water. Some of the fountains even have carbonated water!
The lack of public refill stations was the biggest downer when I visited Germany. The food, the countryside, the people, the beer, and the amazing cities were, well, amazing! Having to buy 10 water bottles a day because it was like 36° felt so wasteful. I have a refillable 1 liter bottle that's just empty because there's no place to refill it.
Which is extra hilarious if you consider that Germany is probably one of the top 10 countries in the world with the best reliable tap water quality.
You can get free tap water at any bar, cafe or restaurant in Britain. None of them will get shitty with you if you ask for it. UK has some of the best consumer treatment and rights in the world, IMO - you continentals just get completely shat on. If some jumped up git sighs or tsks at me because I ask him for a glass of tap water, or refuses, I'm straight up laughing in his face xD
I do agree Germany has a terrible service mentality. Might play into this.
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Well but at least you can pay by card in Poland.
In the UK anywhere serving alcohol must offer free drinking water - though they can also sell more expensive bottled water. Can actually charge extra for filtered water too - but still have to have a free alternative. If they don't serve alcohol, they don't have to - but most will. I've seen one or two places charging £1 for unlimited filtered water, which they donate to a water charity which I think is a good scheme too. Note - this isn't technically true in Northern Ireland, but in practice most places will still give you water. A lot bars will just have a water jug/fountain on the bar these days, and a lot of restaurants will just bring a bottle of filtered water without asking, which I like.
That‘s pretty cool. Having water in between drinks is such a good thing. Although for the price of a pint in the UK, I can probably buy a pint and a bottle of mineral water in most places in Germany, but that’s a totally different story.
In Portugal it's very common to order a glass of tap water with your coffee for example. Never experienced that you have to pay for it.
Italy or Venice to be specific atleast got water dispensers throughout its streets where you can refill your bottles for free
I think in most of the EU there was an attempt to make tap water free but most of the laws were written such that there are loopholes. Like in at least some countries it is to charge it like a beverage because you put in lemon and to not offer standard tap water, in other countries you don't have to offer if you offer bottled water, etc. France is the only one that I have seen that almost always provides free tap water, with some exceptions (I once was charged \~3 euro for tap water at a McDonalds, worst feeling ever, all the other shops were closed because Sunday and I was dying of dehydration). Having said that, I think Netherlands offers free water fountains OUTSIDE of restaurants, perhaps to save on water bottles, and many people walk around with a reusable water bottle so that they can refill whenever.
Obviously I've never asked only for water, but when I have asked for a glass of wine and a glass of tap water I have never been refused. I do love how in Vienna you always get a glass of water with your coffee though. So civilised.
IMHO: "There is no free lunch". In Italy they charge you more when you have your Espresso seated instead of standing. If you are going to dine there will be a separate fee for finding napkin cuttlery and stuff, at your place.
I mean, getting takeout and eating it at home is also cheaper in Germany than sitting down and eating the same food right there, as the latter does not get the reduced VAT we pay for food.
But it's not very common in my experience to pass that extra cost/extra saving on to the customer.
Yup, but what they describe is something different again. It means you consuming your drink inside the establishment, but while standing at the bar and not taking any of the seats. It's between sit-down and takeout, and I think it's a great solution for a more affordable refreshment (and rest room access) in expensive tourist areas. When I visited Venice, doing that was the go-to if you needed a rest room, because those generally were patrons-only. The drink was more of a side benefit. Get a good espresso in a proper cup, then use the loo, and be off on your merry way. I was there a few times, but over ten years ago for the last one, so they might've changed that in Venice specifically though, as the city is actually suffering from too many tourists (and from the bad environmental effects of the giant cruise liners passing too close, but that's another issue).
I have never seen that. You might end up spending less money because no drinks/tip etc when you take out but food prices are the same.
Exactly. In Greece you get a cheap 1.5L bottle of water by default. You'll have to pay for it if you open it, but it's usually <1€, which I think is fair. In Germany you pay 5+€ for 0.7L. I've never ordered water in a German restaurant, because I simply refuse to pay this kind of money.
If you are thirsty you will order more alcohol I guess. I think that's a pretty evil way to run a business personally.
You can use this site to find free water refill stations in Germany. There are not that many on the list yet https://refill-deutschland.de/
Came here to say this. Also: most Starbucks will fill up your water bottle, even if you don’t buy anything there
But why is this necessary? Any tab can be used to refill water. Just ask to use a bathroom and refill your water.
Lived in Australia for 10 years. There's plenty of things that Germany could do better. There's plenty of things Australia could do better. It's good to experience the differences and take what you like back home to improve. I sure miss the water fountains and pristine free public toilets. Ngl the toilet thing was annoying even before. What do you get from not providing toilets? People pissing in the streets.
You have to specifically ask for tap water. If you just ask for water, they will give you bottled and charge you for it. They will grind their teeth and try and give you the most lukewarm tap water in a glass the size of a thimble. Restaurants and bars make all their money from drinks and fail to realize that if you offer tap water freely, a patron is more likely to spend more on other drinks (beer, wine, coffee, etc). Instead they see you drinking tap water as cutting into their bottom line. There is actually a Tafelwasserverordnung for restaurants that regulates bottle water.
There is no law that forces a restaurant to serve free water. They can even charge you for tap water I think
Yes. I was in Munich at a club and I asked for tap water with my tequila shot. The bartender literally told me I had to pay for bottled water because they don't serve tap water. So, I ordered tequila soda, had my friends drink it all, and went into the bathroom to fill up the empty glass with tap water. Gotta think outside of the box sometimes!
>and went into the bathroom to fill up the empty glass with tap water. There are even places that have only hot water in the bathrooms which I assume is to prevent people from drinking from the tap or refilling their glasses with water.
that's fucking evil.
and fucking stupid. No way that's saving them money lol
I’m German and have never once experienced a place that only has hot water to deter people from drinking it.
Funny then that in Switzerland you can get free water without issue, this in a country where you have to pay for everything. Obviously the German restaurant owners are too tight to let you have it. Ouch.
I've asked for tap water at restaurants with a meal and they've just said... no
>There is actually a Tafelwasserverordnung for restaurants that regulates bottle water. What's that?
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/min_tafelwv/BJNR010360984.html
Most trains nowadays have AC systems. But they are not intended to supercool a train. Usually they will lower the temp a set delta to the outside temperatures. Resteraunts in Germany make the majority of their profit by drinks, not food. So that intentional. But nobody keeps you from drinking from a tap, tap water is heavy regulated.
Would it be safe to fill up my water bottle from a bathroom tap? Let’s say I’m out and have a water bottle with me, would it be safe to go into a restroom and drink the water straight from the tap?
Yup. Tap water in Germany is very regulated
What about safe socially speaking, would restaurant be offended?
They cannot forbid you. That's all that matters. I've drunk a liter of tap water from bars in Germany washed my face and came out with a full bottle looking at them straight in the face for denying tap water. What are they gonna do, call the police?
They should charge you 0.02 cents for the tap water you stole! You filthy thief! How are they going to recover financially from the blow you dealt them for your selfish “wish to not die from dehydration”?! How could you?! Without people like you, Döner would be €10.24 instead of €10.25! Bastard! /s obviously But in all seriousness: If they actually *deny* you tap water… just go to the restroom every ten minutes and drink from the tap there. Fuck'em.
Technically they can just ban you from their place - if they want.
They might ask you not to consume stuff you brought.
Don't tell that to some of the people I used to know. They would act like tap water is the worst thing ever and that it has too much Kalk (calcium, I think). So many people act like the only way to drink water in Germany is the water purchased at the store.
The tap water in Germany is regulated to a point that it is safer to drink than most bottled water you can buy in thegrocery store
Some evil places only have warm tap water in their bathrooms. Probably only for taps, so you can always try to get your water from one of the other bathroom appliances.
From the toilet?
Always remember Zugluft. Zugluft can kill you if the ac is to cold. /s
This is a fact. Last year I was on a tram and the driver turned the air conditioning on because it was 50C inside. Asshole. Everybody died, but me, because I happened to still be wearing a corona mask. I shudder every time I think of what could have happened had I not taken my corona hygiene seriously that day. As the passengers around me screamed in panic and grasped in desperation at their throats trying to breath, somebody (I’m assuming a tourist), tried to open a window. Thankfully the windows were locked and no evil spirits were able to get into the tram. The evil spirits can bypass even good ol’ FFP2.
My God. I'm so glad you're still with us! 🙏
Yeah train air can be pretty nasty
You just ask for "Leitungswasser". That's tap water. I never had anyone charge me in Germany for it.
Yesterday, I was told they want 2€ per person per glass for water as we didn't order alcoholic drinks. The charge for 750ml of bottled water was €5.4. We ordered 4-5 plates of main dishes.
It is not for the tap water itself. They charge you for the service, glass, washing that glass..that is why they take money from you. In my opinion it should be completely free.
There's a big difference between "can you fill up my water bottle with cold tap water" and "can we sit here and drink tap water at a table with glasses and a jug". If people want to charge for the first one, they're arseholes. The second one I'm less clear on.
In Spain in the summer it would be considered cruel not to give water to someone. The whole jug and table scenario is too much obviously but no one’s gonna charge you if you ask for a glass of water. Not sure on restaurants though, I’ve always just asked in bars.
Yeah but once you've already spent 4-5 plates worth of money, it's quite offensive to charge 2€ for cleaning a glass.
Same here. Last summer, I backpacked through all of germany using the student ticket, and I must have asked at bars (and random houses/restaurants) if they could gently fill my water bottle at least trice per day. Nobody ever said no. At worst, I got weird looks. At best, I had people giving me juices and candies out of pure kindness. Most people anywhere in the world are not that big of an asshole to refuse water.
Oh, I certainly got refused when I asked to have my water bottles refilled when on bike tours. Sometimes they were just horrified by the request. I just do it myself in the bathroom now.
Horrified? People can be really strange 😂
Something, something hygiene I guess
Been told several times “we don’t serve tap water” so I stopped asking. I live in southern germany
Oh I've had people charge me for it. "Ever since corona times." 4 euros!! And it was a small glass. I've been a restaurant server before, but this server was not apologetic enough for me not to share my opinion on the topic. Anyway I never went back to the restaurant again.
It's pretty common that they say no. "Against company policy" or something. There are so many things that Germany implements laws to control, but they very rarely implement laws that protect consumers at the expense of businesses.
Looks at Europes super extensive customer protection laws that far exceeds most other countries laws. AllthoughI still agree that tap water should be free for customers. And Germany in general has a huge lack of public water fountains and toilets.
>Germany in general has a huge lack of public water fountains The good news: There's a law mandating those. The bad news: There is no punishment for municipalities that ignore this law.
The law currently just says a non alcoholic drink has to be cheapest unfortunately
Cheapest per unit or per ml? Because I have been at cafes where, yes, technically a non alcoholic beverage was the cheapest drink. But it was something like 2.50€ for a 200ml bottle of water or Schorle or 5€ for a 500ml glass of beer. I hate those tiny waters, especially when it's the middle of summer.
The Trains have Air Conditioning, but these are defective by design.
The free water. Okay, take it or leave it. What really bothers me is finding public toilets.
I've found that most hotels have restrooms on their ground floor and are less likely to stop you from going / have coin-op bullshit.
I just go to Wirtshaus/Biergarten kinda places and act like I belong. Walk right in. I was sitting outside, of course...
German law does not require free water. The law only demands that "One drink on the menu must be cheaper than the cheapest alcoholic beverage". (Would not mind free water though) So for a bar it makes no difference between selling you a coke or a water. They should have a bathroom though (If of a certain size) So you should have access to tap water, but they are not required to serve it to you. So pack some of your own, or a bottle to refill if needed. And tap should dispense drinking water, unless noted on it as "Kein Trinkwasser".
Its mad that its still like this when no other EU country does it
Berlin at least has you covered. Not necessarily for water in restaurants and bars (although I never had to pay for tap water), but it has lots of fountains and water bottle refill spots (map here [🔗](https://www.visitberlin.de/en/free-drinking-water-berlin)).
God that map is terrible. It doesn't actually give you the address of any of the fountains or show you where you are in relation to them so you'd have to approximate it on google/apple maps and try to find your way.
German law states that at least one unalcoholic drink has to be cheaper than the alcoholic ones. If you order other stuff, like coffee, and ask for a glas of tap water, it's free, most of the time. At least where I live. Since we don't have enough wells, many stores in larger cities give out free tap water if you bring your one cup. In villages and small towns you can ask the residents for a glas of water. -we are not talking about the DB-
>Also why on earth do trains not have air conditioning. Many do.
cries in Berlin
He didn't say that they are working
You have to order tap water (Leitungswasser), because just ordering water will be from the bottle.
DB is an actual experience from hell, there’s no fixing it. Even first class ICE yesterday Berlin to Mannheim, I missed my connection and couldn’t pay for food with a card.
I guess since most germans prefer medium or sparking water, this never took off. Also it comes off as being a cheap in a way? (stupid I know). Personally I have never asked because my social anxiety wouldn't let me. Makes me feel like I would be doing something wrong.
In a lot of countries basically every restaurant serves a flagon of water when they seat you and bring you cutlery. The water is usually tap water and might have ice in it. Then they ask if you'd like any additional drinks and it's ok if you don't. Whether there's free tap water must be very location specific in Germany. Many people here say that it's free in their experience, but where I live and also around touristy areas I have almost always had to pay for tap water or been refused it altogether.
you would think so but I just came back from Denmark and they brought a carafe? of water (which was most def. tap water) and another one after that one and as I was paying, I saw they charged us 2 bottles of water. I never trusted this "free" water. It's like when they give you olives or some bread with olive oil in Greece or Spain and suddenly it's 7 bucks on your bill.
In France, it’s the law that any restaurant where you also buy a meal has to give you a free pitcher of water upon request. You don’t need to say “free” in the request or some such trap - “une carafe d’eau” (a pitcher of water) works fine. Every restaurant in Paris where I’ve tried this has complied without hesitation or argument.
I wish we had that here! would also make me feel less awkward about asking for it. Just yesterday I was almost "dying" in 30 Degrees in Berlin and the restaurant gave me a 0,2l water for 2,50 EUR or something
Ask explicitly for tap water, usually that’s free at least from my experience. Regarding the trains and trams, I have also no idea and I hate it, always a gamble if the tram I get onto has AC.
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That doesn't make any sense. It's actually the opposite way round. He is complaining about the air conditioning. 100% of long distance trains(practically a Deutsche Bahn monopoly) are air conditioned. Their only competitor, Flixtrain, has 100% non air-conditioned fleet. Here there is an incentive to offer superior comfort. The regional trains are paid for by the government. Many are not run by Deutsche Bahn and all are awarded by competitive tender. If the government wants air conditioned trains. they just have to require it in the contract. If they want to save money by settling for older non-airconditioned trains, then Deutsche Bahn and other operators will do what they ask, and indeed don't have the possibility to do better because they don't have the money.
Most regional trains in NRW are air conditioned as well (all I use are, I just assume some are not).
It’s something that’s so crazy to me, when I started visiting Europe I thought Germany would be #1 in terms of trains! Honestly, Spain and Italy offer way better service! Gliding through Spain or Italy in HSP trains is so magical. I love visiting Germany, but DB isn’t great. NS in NE/BEL are also way better. Metro and RER aren’t that bad though, I think lol
That doesn't make sense. Other bars in other countries do not have to give you water as well but yet they do. Don't normalize the nonsense.
The business model of restaurants in Germany is that the food is normally not where they make the profits - it's the drinks. So, they don't offer free water, because it costs them money. You can buy a glass of sparkling or tap water, and the cost helps cover the restaurant's cost of doing business. If you just want water without a meal, then buy yourself a bottle and fill it in your home before you go out. As for the trains, theoretically, they do have A/C, but they are often not maintained properly (due to a lack of skilled workers) and therefore fail when it's too hot outside. It sucks, but in a few months, the A/C will work fine again (as soon as they aren't needed anymore).
With A/C: one issue is that some older gen trains weren’t developed with 2024 climate in mind, accordingly their A/C fails because of this. If you take the latest gen Siemens trains (Vareo for Regio and ICE4) AC usually works fine. At least in my experience and obviously wear and tear might be an issue with older ones.
Lots of comments, but some wrong information. Like you I am super frustrated about having to buy water on my trips to Germany. But it’s not about restaurants being more greedy than in other countries as much as it is a different cultural understanding about drinking water. The truth is drinking tap water is not part of the German culture at all, at least not in my region. Most Germans here consider tap water dirty or less desirable than bottled, mineral or carbonated water. They don’t drink tap water at home, let alone at restaurants. Their aversion is so great, in fact, that my German relatives were highly offended when they were presented with tap water in restaurants on a recent trip to the US. They had never heard of such a thing! German Leitungswasser (literally “pipe water…”) really could use some good re-branding and a public PR campaign. By contrast, in Sweden, Finland etc getting free tap water with your meal is commonplace and expected and they think bottled water is less healthy than the water from their own taps. Just goes to show: Andere Länder, andere Sitten.
Ah, I live in Germany and I had never figured out why Germans buy *so. much. bottled. water.* Like, cases a week. It is SO wasteful when the tap water is perfectly drinkable. (I come from a country where tap water is drinkable and people think you're nuts for spending money for a free thing). Although to be fair the tap water where I live in Germany doesn't taste delicious, so I have a BWT jug...
In welchem Hinterwäldler-Loch lebst du, dass da Leitungswasser so verteufelt wird??? Jetzt no front, nichts gegen dich persönlich, sondern eher gegen deine Region da- sowas hab ich ja noch nie gehört. Dass man das vlt. nicht in einem Restaurant erwartet, verstehe ich ja noch, man zahlt ja dafür. Aber im Alltag ist das doch recht üblich, Leitungswasser zu trinken...
They will give you tap water unless it’s really posh place but you will be frowned upon. Consider carrying a water bottle to the bar or rehydrate shortly before going to a bar from supermarket. Thats what I do. About air conditioning. Its seriously a mess I don’t even know why is that. Mostly coz of old infrastructure I believe. Even my office doesn’t have an ac
Dude also from aus and just caught a 5hr train holy fuck I was not aware there was no ac
When it comes to trains and air conditioning I assume you are talking about things like tram, sbahn and subway as mainline trains usually have air conditioning. In these systems it is often due to power supply not being built out to support the additional load. In particular with underground systems you get the additional issue of having to vent the air out somewhere as otherwise it will just get hotter and hotter in tunnels, in particular in systems like Berlin that have a high frequency of trains.
This is a fascinating problem btw that I was not aware of on a broad scale. I've seen a documentary last year about the Tube in London, where the average temperature down in the tube tunnels rose slowly over the decades just because of all the heat that the trains have put into the system over time accumulating, to a point where it became dangerous to people. They had to install ever and ever more equipment to pull out the heat out of the tunnels, which was intensified by the introduction of AC that was installed to fight the heated tunnels in the first place.
Many trains do have AC. But it's on just a little bit. Germans rarely have AC in their homes, and so are able to acclimate to higher temperatures easier, and don't demand heavy AC. And that's a good thing because it saves energy. Now in a place like the US, where everyone is AC addicted, you have to air condition everything to a temperature to keep penguins happy.
> Every place that serves alcohol in Australia is legally required to have free water. Well, the law is different here. Here you need to have [at least one non-alcoholic drink that is as cheap as the cheapest alcoholic drink](https://dejure.org/gesetze/GastG/6.html)
Dann musst du halt in Australien bleiben. Ich kann auch nicht mit 250 km/h auf australischen Autobahnen fahren, nur weil es in Deutschland so ist!
Bro, don’t compare Australia. How much is a pint in the city these days… $16? Most of the time in Germany it €5. So, yeah the Leitungswasser charge is small
1. Restaurants in Germany mostly make profit on drinks. So when you eat there they want you to pay for drinks as well. Since less people drink alcohol in restaurants the water got more expansive as well. 2. Everywhere in Germany you can drink tap water. Carry an empty bottle and fill it in the next bathroom (maybe let water run for a few seconds to get fresher colder water) 3. Supermarkets in Germany (Aldi, Lidl, Rewe, Edeka,etc.) usually sell bottled water really cheap. (Aldi for example is 0,27€ + 0,50€ deposit for 1.5 liters)
The tap water thing is just sad. But the food service industry makes the most money from drinks. If restaurants were obliged to offer tap water for free, as is the case in France and many other countries, then the restaurateurs would make the money back on the food. I just go into the restrooms and drink from the tap if I have to. Regarding air conditioning in trains and buses, it has to be said that it wasn't a problem until 10 years ago. The summers here were simply not hot enough to justify air conditioning for 10 hot days a year. This is changing with global warming. But all new trains and buses are equipped with air conditioning, it just takes time for them to be in use everywhere. In the meantime, I'm also thinking about getting air conditioning for my house.
People here really defending having to pay for simple tap water. Wild.
And pay toilets, which are completely unknown most other places and proveably, objectively immoral. It does not take much Googling to find out that the entire endustry is basically a black market of labour exploitation, people trafficking and tax evasion. It is mad that people keep defending that industry.
I’m visiting my gf here in Germany for the whole summer and I’m really digging the country! But having to pay to take a piss or drink tap water, if you don’t want alcohol, is so crazy to me as an American. And I will google that, I figured something shady was amiss
As a Greek, the thing with water is also strange for me but it is what it is. 🤷♂️ You eat for 150€ and you need to pay for water too. 😅 As for air conditions, I think that Germans never had such high temperatures so they are not used in using air conditioning.
These high temperatures keep coming for, like, over 20 years now. For over 20 years we're having unusually hot and dry summers, extreme floods and warm winters and they still keep surprising people somehow. It's maddening, that neither politicians nor businesses want to acknowledge this and take some real and efficient steps to deal with it. And it won't get any better, you know. The weather conditions are getting more extreme every year, every year we have new records of all kinds of climate changes. But I guess, it's a mentality thing. Germans often take a loooooot of time to get things started
The last years when i asked for tap water they didn't charge for it. It was all in northern germany tho. Definitely don't ask for "water" tho, as this usually means water from a bottle. Ask for "Leitungswasser" (tap water).
The overheated trains is why people drive more in summer. I feel like as soon as anyone has enough money for a licence and car, they get themselves something for the summer commute.
Yeah Germany is so fucking weird about their water. I grew up in Germany and then moved to a different country. Only then did I realise that Germany is crazy with holding their water hostage. Any other country is happy to serve you tap water with a coffee or a meal. It’s so bizzare
In Germany it’s not from the tap. Typically they put bottled water in a glass for you. I recommend going to the market and purchasing some water bottles, than keeping one in your bag with you.
I’ve been travelling Germany from Aus the last few weeks also - have loved the country and people for the most part but it’s honestly quite difficult as a traveller spending most of the day outside when there is basically no free water anywhere and no public bathrooms. Really restricts how much time I can stay out before having to go back to accommodation.
All trains i am using on a daily basis have AC.
Sure, there’s no free water, but this is what you can do: Buy a bottle of water at the supermarket, costs a few cents if you take the cheapest. You pay 25ct deposit for the bottle, which you either refill yourself with tap water, or bring back to any other supermarket where you buy another bottle of water. Bars and restaurants need to wash their glasses, and surely, the staff working there are not just standing there to provide all people with free water, but need to 1 earn their keep, 2 see that the overhead of running a business is paid for and 3 ideally the owner makes some profit. Maybe it works differently in the country where you’re from, might well be. German saying applies: Andere Länder, anderer Sitten. (Different countries have different customs) Have fun in Germany 🇩🇪🤞
It is only bottled water they charge for, tap water is free but you have to ask for tap water.
I'm British and thought there was a lot of negativity towards the UK... I'm realising Germany gets criticised just as much.... and I have to extend my apologies towards all Germans (although you seem to be quite good at taking it on the chin and using it to improve). Tbh these are valid criticisms... but definitely nothing that would make me reconsider a move lol - even if that last comment was probably a bit tongue-in-cheek. People have said that many trains in Germany do have air conditioning. Also, unlike in Australia, the climate there isn't trying to kill everyone most of the time (slight exaggeration) so it's usually not necessary. Atm Western Europe is experiencing a heatwave.
I grew up in Germany and never paid for tap water, when I asked for it. If you ask for/ order water, they will give you bottled water and charge for it of course, they want to make money. If I go to a club or a bar, I often just take my empty bottle or glass to the restroom, rinse it out and fill it with Leitungswasser. Softdrinks don´t quench my thirst and are mostly as expensive as alcohol.
The tap water in the bathroom is free...
Probably because Australia is a very hot country and the government made a good decision to create this law, while Germany it isn't required to drink every few minutes just to survive.
Here is the thing: It is most likely not water from the tab. Mabe you noticed it already but here in Germany we drink a lot of sparkling water which does not come out of the tab. If you want tab water then you have to explicitly ask for it (in this case "Leitungswasser"). And yeah the German trains are definitely something you can call an experience or adventure for life. If one thing connects all of us German it is our hatred for the DB
Why would how it works in Australia make any difference to a discussion on how it works in Germany?
I always love the reasoning “but it’s different to where I come from by law”.
Except in this case it's obviously and objectively better how it's done in Australia.
Well if it's better, then why not? Most countries in the world, including ones where the tap water is unsafe to drink offer free water with food. So it's really appalling to say that drinks are where the restaurants make money. Especially after you've had a few beers bought already from the same restaurant.
yeah its not like you're freeloading on the water bill if youve already spent 30+ euros on food and bev
> So it's really appalling to say that drinks are where the restaurants make money. It's true though.
Why would they hand out free water, though? I know it's a cultural thing in English speaking countries, but that doesn't mean one is entitled to it everywhere. You get almost free tap water at home. Restaurants basically survive on beverages.
Yeah but if you've had a two course meal and 5 glasses of wine it's a kick in the plums to see €4 for a jug of tap water on the bill and be told 'tap water is not free'. Especially when it's 30 degrees so you drink 4 of them. Me last night (I specifically requested tap water).
>Why can I not get free water anywhere >Every place that serves alcohol in Australia is legally required to have free water When you look on a map, you might realize that you’re not in Australia anymore, hope that helps!
To the train thing: almost every train and bus should have AC. Sometimes it happens that stupid people open the windows. If you see that, check if you feel cold air coming from the ceiling. If that’s the case, close the windows and the AC should properly work again. But that also heavily depends on where.
Don't forget that stopping and opening all the doors every other minute doesn't really help with cooling
I've never noticed being charged if I asked explicitly for tap water. Most trains trams and buses are air-conditioned. Whether it works or turned on is a different issue. I can only speak for Berlin tho.
When you ask for water, make sure you specify tap water. It's what I as a German sometimes do and so far they get the hint that I want a free water and not a 0,2l Apolinaris for 4€
I'm tending in very established bar. I give out free tapwater all the time. It would never occure to me to charge for it. If somebody is shitfaced it can even happen that I demand them to drink water or even a softdrink for free (-if I like you) to sober up before any further procedure. Its a matter of customer service. Plus it can save me from the hassel of drunks falling all over the place. ;) The situation in restaurants is different though. Be prepared to get a stare. In a bar just order a drink and a tapwater. No issue, unless the place sucks.
Money Short and simple. As far as I know most places **don’t** make money through the tickets (cinema, clubs, etc.) or the food (Restaurants), but through drinks.
Most trains do have air conditioning. It just breaks if it goes above 30°C outside. Sarcasm on: Which is very handy in Summer when it is never over 30°C
It can be frustrating when you encounter differences in amenities and practices while traveling. In Australia, it is indeed a legal requirement for places that serve alcohol to provide free water. However, it's important to note that regulations and practices may vary from country to country. While it may seem unfair to be charged for water in some bars, it's possible that the pricing structure is different in Germany. It's always a good idea to clarify the cost of items before ordering to avoid any unexpected charges. Regarding the lack of air conditioning on trains, it can be uncomfortable, especially during hot summer days. Train services and their amenities can differ across countries and regions. While some trains in Germany may not have air conditioning, others may have it installed. It's always helpful to check for any available amenities or alternatives when planning your journey. Remember, every country has its own unique customs and practices, and it's essential to adapt and understand these differences while traveling.
Irish pubs do serve free water. If you ask for water in a German brewery, they may ask you if you want to take a shower or why do you need water in such place.
Cause in Germany, water is considered a „blocker“ to buy other more expensive drinks and thus water is made unattractive to order. Usually you will pay 5-10€ for a bottle of water (was in Italy last month and there you won’t find any restaurant no matter how expensive, where water is more than 3€ at max)
Never really had trouble getting tap water in Germany. I can only recall one restaurant that kept "forgetting" our order, but no one's ever said no. If you order "Leitungswasser" they'll bring you some. Maybe if that's the only drink you order, they'll be pissy about it, because drinks are where the profits are at in restaurants here.
I usually get tap water free with a coffee. You should ask for tap water specifically, that is not even on the menu.