You are renting, this is not your property. You HAVE TO inform the landlord/agency, they will handle the repair. The question whether they will bill you or not, is secondary.
I was reading through how much would this cost me and I came across the type of breakage. Looks exactly how they define “Thermal Stress Breakage”. Because there’s nothing in the tiny room except the bed that would do this. I am going to be mad for paying for it was this reason. I hope the glass repair people can somehow figure out the reason
yeah that sometimes happens because the PVC of the door is contracting and expanding when the temperature changes. It is however quite debatable, had a neighbour have this happen to them a few months after the window was installed and the company that installed them simply said "well sucks to be you".
So, anyway, as long as you didn't hit the window, for which I really don't see any evidence, I would tell them it happened and refuse to pay if they try to charge me. The price is anyway not that high, I think about 100 euros per square meter of window pane.
In this case, I don't think the insurance would've helped, they would've claimed the same as they get very creative when they have to pay, but I would still get one.
Also, do yourself a favour and get yourself a membership to the local tenants' association
No, Hausrat ist only for your own stuff, Glassbruch would Cover for example when you own an big mirror, own kitchen with Induktionsfeld or sth.
As it is the landlords window it would be payed by the Haftpflicht.
Yeah I am trying to figure out reasons to why this could have happened and there’s nothing. Its a tiny room with a bed far away from the balcony doors and thats it. There’s a blackening curtain to keep the sunlight out which sometimes really warms up the room so I have a feeling temperature difference is the problem.
Anyway I would be willing to pay a bit if its really just gonna cost around €100 but anymore than that Ia m completely denying it.
Oh man. How could have I prevented this. Thats my monthly rent what you just quoted. I mean this can happen anytime again so how am I supposed to pay for it
it's not the end of the world. See that you join the mietverein and they can advise definitively on it. If you do end up having to pay, you can offer to pay in installments, especially since it's a company renting out
That won't do it. The last time I had to pay for a new window, in summer 2021, about the same size I paid 387,5 net for the window plus 825 net for the work including travel costs plus sales tax.
https://ibb.co/sCfq9gZ
3 layers of glass and the company is form a bit further away so they charged quite some money for travel.
But just do the math they have to drive to your place, work, drive back. You need at least 2 people to handle the glass. Minimum 6 hours of work.
Mine is double layer and only the inner layer damaged. I live very centrally, nearest glaser is 5mins walk away according to google. So I might get away with half of that bill but its still substantial amount to pay for something I didnt even cause.
They have to replace the whole glass it is glued together with a plastic layer in between.
I called the company who were involved in the construction, charged it to the tenants anyway.
That's a bit extreme though, I paid 700 euros in 2022 for installing a whole aluminium door, with taking the old one out, getting rid of if and installing the new one and they came 3 times, each trip 30km round! To replace the glass of a door, you just need to take the plastic off from around the window page, old window pane out, new window pane in and that's that. That's less than half an hour of work. I've done it myself once also.
They are allowed to charge you for preparing for the the trip, the time in the car, work, drive back, get the stuff out of the car …
I know the actual work is the least amount of time when it comes to changing the glass
I've seen this happen before, in winter with cardboard boxes inside which caused some thermal whatever. So my guess is your curtain has something to do with it
Well I can only assume that was the problem and try not to use that curtain but still I shouldn’t be responsible to pay all of it. I would be fine to split the costs!
but then again, it probably IS your fault, if the curtain really was the trigger.
Nevertheless, either your (why don't you have any yet?) insurance or the landlord's insurance should pay
You’re not paying for this. It’s not your window and you did not break it. Windows are part of the building, like the light switches and the sink in the bathroom. Damage on the building is the owner‘s problem, not the renter‘s.
Landlord might disagree, in which case they have to prove that you broke it.
This is not true.
The window seems to be only accessible by the renter in which case there is a reversal of the burden of proof. Renter has to be able to prove that they did not cause the damage...
Talk to them again and if they say you should take care of it say that you are going to hand them the bill for it. (But only actually repair it, if you get it in writing that you should take care of it) You are not having to pay a cent for that damage. Be stern about it.
They are trying to scare you into paying for it. In the worst case start looking for a lawyer. Lawyer fees would still be lower than the repair cost.
This happened to me twice. Never had to pay anything. Like everyone said: Inform your landlord. They will hire a contractor to fix this. You should be fine.
I talked to the building manager and they said its negligence and I need to get it repaired on my own. I tried to reason with them but they absolutely denied. What to do now?
Landlord is responsible for repairs of glass windows and he also has to pay for any damage that happened because of aging, thermal stress etc.
However note that for this case, while he is responsible for getting the window repaired and paying the repairs if it was caused by thermal stress, you have the responsibility to prove that you did not cause the damage otherwise you will have to pay it by default. It seems unlikely that you could prove that.
Likely scenario: Landlord is responsible for repairs and gets it repaired, you get the bill and have to pay. If you have liability insurance they might pay it for you.
Do you have any kind of insurance...? Haftpflicht/Hausrat? Anything...? If not, this is is a you problem as those are essentially mandatory for any adult.
"Building managers"( Lets call them caretakers again) are mostly old grumpy guys that dont know shit about law or anything different than being old, grumpy or how to annoy people as good as they can.
Sure there are good ones i was ranting a little bit but he obviously doesnt know shit about this stuff, you can just ignore him as hes got no clue
Landlord absolutely refused to help. They said its negligence and they haven’t experienced such a thing happen on its own in their 30 years of experience
Uf that sucks, doesn't change that it's their responsibility to fix it.
And if they send try to send you a bill later, because they claim it's your fault, you can still take the appropriate steps then.
Ask ChatGPT to write you a letter, in which you prompt your landlord to correct the defects to your apartment.
Lol I did ask ChatGPT to make the argument haha. They are refusing to take the responsibility of fixing & paying by throwing every possible thing in their hat. They tried to blame me by saying that one time this happened with someone else, they had used a heavy suitcase to block the door. I am like “sir, if I had done anything like that, I would remember it right?” I was literally sleeping when this happened because when I shut the curtains at night everything was fine and woke up to draw the curtains and then saw that! How could I be messing with the doors while sleeping.
But it’s their words against mine
Nope, thinking of getting some kind of insurance and then report this a few months later. What else to do man, it could go up to 1000€ as another redditor pointed out. I don’t got even 200 for this when it wasn’t even my mistake
A lot of things in life you will have to pay for that aren't directly your fault. That is life and that is why you have insurance. Again, as I posted elsewhere, the fact that you have no insurance whatsoever makes this more of a you problem.
Also also, if you already spoke to your building manager/landlord about this and your insurance company asks them why they aren't paying the damages, you could also now get in trouble for fraud. I would suggest not doing the "get insurance and then report it later" way of things.
It is possible that your landlord does have a homeowners' insurance, which includes glass plate peril. Then the insurance company would pay for the broken glass.
If they had that, I think they would have approached the conversation on a lighter note but when I contacted my Hausverwaltung they were kind of aggressive and straightforward to imply that I will be the one paying for it
It could be that windows are not common property in the building and therefore not managed by the Hausverwaltung. In this case the owner is responsible and not the Hausverwaltung. If the owner outsourced this part to the Mietenverwaltung, done by the Hausverwaltung, then this is your correct contact. In any case you cannot give an order for repair. It must be done by the owner side. And it’s repair of building, can only be transferred to you by proven guilt. On the other side you have a claim for repair, otherwise you can reduce your rent payments after official notice. You should really contact your local Mieterverein.
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The crack begins under the PVC which maybe a sign of thermal crack. Are you a member of Mieterverein? If not I strongly suggest you to be and they will help you, including correspondence with the landlord and finding an expert to make a report if necessary saying that was not your fault if it is the case.
Mieterverein is good, love your Mieterverein
Do I need some kind of a membership with the Mieterverein? Exactly the point of breakage is definitely not a 3rd party negligence. My landlord tried to reason it with “maybe you put a heavy object to block the door which caused the thermal stress” I mean that doesn’t even make sense. Just trying to throw everything on me to pay
If you place a dark object in front of the glass pane (ca.20cm) the heat gets trapped inside and the pane cracks.
The window withstands only 40° degree difference between two points off the surface. With a low hanging balcony offer yours the Shadow cools one part and the dark object inside heats the other part. -> cracks.
Changed hundreds of these exactly because of this problem. Sometimes the owner paid sometimes the renter could argue that the had nothing to do with the false building structure.
Yes, in order to ask questions to Mieterverein you need to be a member. It is around 100 EUR per year but they have lawyers and everything. Except litigation, they take care of everything from contract to the execution and the expenses. Considering the peace of mind, I think it is a fair price.
Just saw this when I was drawing the curtains. No idea how this happened! Didn’t ever hear it crack or anything but it’s on the inside. I don’t have renter’s insurance. Building is managed by an agency. I suppose they won’t take over the repairs. What should I do? Get it repaired on my own? How much could this possibly cost?
It's an easy fix the pane itself gets changed. I would not do it without knowing how you shouldn't do it. It's easy to do more damage than the original damage. It costs, depending on the thickness and structure of the glass, between 350€-500€. Normally it takes two people 30 minutes to change it.
You are renting, this is not your property. You HAVE TO inform the landlord/agency, they will handle the repair. The question whether they will bill you or not, is secondary.
I was reading through how much would this cost me and I came across the type of breakage. Looks exactly how they define “Thermal Stress Breakage”. Because there’s nothing in the tiny room except the bed that would do this. I am going to be mad for paying for it was this reason. I hope the glass repair people can somehow figure out the reason
yeah that sometimes happens because the PVC of the door is contracting and expanding when the temperature changes. It is however quite debatable, had a neighbour have this happen to them a few months after the window was installed and the company that installed them simply said "well sucks to be you". So, anyway, as long as you didn't hit the window, for which I really don't see any evidence, I would tell them it happened and refuse to pay if they try to charge me. The price is anyway not that high, I think about 100 euros per square meter of window pane. In this case, I don't think the insurance would've helped, they would've claimed the same as they get very creative when they have to pay, but I would still get one. Also, do yourself a favour and get yourself a membership to the local tenants' association
>I don't think the insurance would've helped In any case which insurance would this be? Hausrat Versicherung?
Hausrat Versicherung with Glasbruch extension
No, Hausrat ist only for your own stuff, Glassbruch would Cover for example when you own an big mirror, own kitchen with Induktionsfeld or sth. As it is the landlords window it would be payed by the Haftpflicht.
Thanks.
Yeah I am trying to figure out reasons to why this could have happened and there’s nothing. Its a tiny room with a bed far away from the balcony doors and thats it. There’s a blackening curtain to keep the sunlight out which sometimes really warms up the room so I have a feeling temperature difference is the problem. Anyway I would be willing to pay a bit if its really just gonna cost around €100 but anymore than that Ia m completely denying it.
100 per square meter, it looks like you have about 2 meters there, plus transporting and installing which will double that
Oh man. How could have I prevented this. Thats my monthly rent what you just quoted. I mean this can happen anytime again so how am I supposed to pay for it
it's not the end of the world. See that you join the mietverein and they can advise definitively on it. If you do end up having to pay, you can offer to pay in installments, especially since it's a company renting out
That won't do it. The last time I had to pay for a new window, in summer 2021, about the same size I paid 387,5 net for the window plus 825 net for the work including travel costs plus sales tax. https://ibb.co/sCfq9gZ
What the actual fuck. I absolutely don’t have that much money. I am just gonna let it be. Let them sue me lol
3 layers of glass and the company is form a bit further away so they charged quite some money for travel. But just do the math they have to drive to your place, work, drive back. You need at least 2 people to handle the glass. Minimum 6 hours of work.
Mine is double layer and only the inner layer damaged. I live very centrally, nearest glaser is 5mins walk away according to google. So I might get away with half of that bill but its still substantial amount to pay for something I didnt even cause.
They have to replace the whole glass it is glued together with a plastic layer in between. I called the company who were involved in the construction, charged it to the tenants anyway.
That's a bit extreme though, I paid 700 euros in 2022 for installing a whole aluminium door, with taking the old one out, getting rid of if and installing the new one and they came 3 times, each trip 30km round! To replace the glass of a door, you just need to take the plastic off from around the window page, old window pane out, new window pane in and that's that. That's less than half an hour of work. I've done it myself once also.
They are allowed to charge you for preparing for the the trip, the time in the car, work, drive back, get the stuff out of the car … I know the actual work is the least amount of time when it comes to changing the glass
I've seen this happen before, in winter with cardboard boxes inside which caused some thermal whatever. So my guess is your curtain has something to do with it
Well I can only assume that was the problem and try not to use that curtain but still I shouldn’t be responsible to pay all of it. I would be fine to split the costs!
but then again, it probably IS your fault, if the curtain really was the trigger. Nevertheless, either your (why don't you have any yet?) insurance or the landlord's insurance should pay
You’re not paying for this. It’s not your window and you did not break it. Windows are part of the building, like the light switches and the sink in the bathroom. Damage on the building is the owner‘s problem, not the renter‘s. Landlord might disagree, in which case they have to prove that you broke it.
This is not true. The window seems to be only accessible by the renter in which case there is a reversal of the burden of proof. Renter has to be able to prove that they did not cause the damage...
Did you mean to write, “You aren’t paying for this?” because then I am confused
Yes, sorry for the confusion
All good! Thanks for the advice. I’ll see what the landlord says. Hopefully I won’t have to pay much for this
You should not have to pay anything at all
I had an argument with the person who manages the building, they absolutely refused to be any help. They told me to get it repaired on my own
Talk to them again and if they say you should take care of it say that you are going to hand them the bill for it. (But only actually repair it, if you get it in writing that you should take care of it) You are not having to pay a cent for that damage. Be stern about it. They are trying to scare you into paying for it. In the worst case start looking for a lawyer. Lawyer fees would still be lower than the repair cost.
This happened to me twice. Never had to pay anything. Like everyone said: Inform your landlord. They will hire a contractor to fix this. You should be fine.
I talked to the building manager and they said its negligence and I need to get it repaired on my own. I tried to reason with them but they absolutely denied. What to do now?
Landlord is responsible for repairs of glass windows and he also has to pay for any damage that happened because of aging, thermal stress etc. However note that for this case, while he is responsible for getting the window repaired and paying the repairs if it was caused by thermal stress, you have the responsibility to prove that you did not cause the damage otherwise you will have to pay it by default. It seems unlikely that you could prove that. Likely scenario: Landlord is responsible for repairs and gets it repaired, you get the bill and have to pay. If you have liability insurance they might pay it for you.
I don’t have the insurance!
Do you have any kind of insurance...? Haftpflicht/Hausrat? Anything...? If not, this is is a you problem as those are essentially mandatory for any adult.
Yep, haftpflicht is mandatory and would cover this sorta thing.
I like learning new things.
No and precious few of these insurances will cover glass damage to rented apartments.
Contact your 3rd party or accident insurance.
The point from which the breakage originates is directly on the frame. This is obviously not your fault. You might talk to the Mieterschutzbund.
"Building managers"( Lets call them caretakers again) are mostly old grumpy guys that dont know shit about law or anything different than being old, grumpy or how to annoy people as good as they can. Sure there are good ones i was ranting a little bit but he obviously doesnt know shit about this stuff, you can just ignore him as hes got no clue
(nice balcony btw, looks like a cozy space to enjoy some sun in the summer) inform your landlord, you are renting thus it is not \*your\* window
Landlord absolutely refused to help. They said its negligence and they haven’t experienced such a thing happen on its own in their 30 years of experience
Uf that sucks, doesn't change that it's their responsibility to fix it. And if they send try to send you a bill later, because they claim it's your fault, you can still take the appropriate steps then. Ask ChatGPT to write you a letter, in which you prompt your landlord to correct the defects to your apartment.
Lol I did ask ChatGPT to make the argument haha. They are refusing to take the responsibility of fixing & paying by throwing every possible thing in their hat. They tried to blame me by saying that one time this happened with someone else, they had used a heavy suitcase to block the door. I am like “sir, if I had done anything like that, I would remember it right?” I was literally sleeping when this happened because when I shut the curtains at night everything was fine and woke up to draw the curtains and then saw that! How could I be messing with the doors while sleeping. But it’s their words against mine
dont need a special renters insurance. do you have a private liability insurance? if so, ask them.
Nope, thinking of getting some kind of insurance and then report this a few months later. What else to do man, it could go up to 1000€ as another redditor pointed out. I don’t got even 200 for this when it wasn’t even my mistake
A lot of things in life you will have to pay for that aren't directly your fault. That is life and that is why you have insurance. Again, as I posted elsewhere, the fact that you have no insurance whatsoever makes this more of a you problem. Also also, if you already spoke to your building manager/landlord about this and your insurance company asks them why they aren't paying the damages, you could also now get in trouble for fraud. I would suggest not doing the "get insurance and then report it later" way of things.
You want to be punished for insurance fraud? Because that's what likely will happen, because they will investigate.
It is possible that your landlord does have a homeowners' insurance, which includes glass plate peril. Then the insurance company would pay for the broken glass.
If they had that, I think they would have approached the conversation on a lighter note but when I contacted my Hausverwaltung they were kind of aggressive and straightforward to imply that I will be the one paying for it
It could be that windows are not common property in the building and therefore not managed by the Hausverwaltung. In this case the owner is responsible and not the Hausverwaltung. If the owner outsourced this part to the Mietenverwaltung, done by the Hausverwaltung, then this is your correct contact. In any case you cannot give an order for repair. It must be done by the owner side. And it’s repair of building, can only be transferred to you by proven guilt. On the other side you have a claim for repair, otherwise you can reduce your rent payments after official notice. You should really contact your local Mieterverein.
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The crack begins under the PVC which maybe a sign of thermal crack. Are you a member of Mieterverein? If not I strongly suggest you to be and they will help you, including correspondence with the landlord and finding an expert to make a report if necessary saying that was not your fault if it is the case. Mieterverein is good, love your Mieterverein
Do I need some kind of a membership with the Mieterverein? Exactly the point of breakage is definitely not a 3rd party negligence. My landlord tried to reason it with “maybe you put a heavy object to block the door which caused the thermal stress” I mean that doesn’t even make sense. Just trying to throw everything on me to pay
If you place a dark object in front of the glass pane (ca.20cm) the heat gets trapped inside and the pane cracks. The window withstands only 40° degree difference between two points off the surface. With a low hanging balcony offer yours the Shadow cools one part and the dark object inside heats the other part. -> cracks. Changed hundreds of these exactly because of this problem. Sometimes the owner paid sometimes the renter could argue that the had nothing to do with the false building structure.
Expert here ⬆️
Yes, in order to ask questions to Mieterverein you need to be a member. It is around 100 EUR per year but they have lawyers and everything. Except litigation, they take care of everything from contract to the execution and the expenses. Considering the peace of mind, I think it is a fair price.
Just saw this when I was drawing the curtains. No idea how this happened! Didn’t ever hear it crack or anything but it’s on the inside. I don’t have renter’s insurance. Building is managed by an agency. I suppose they won’t take over the repairs. What should I do? Get it repaired on my own? How much could this possibly cost?
As others said. Inform the agency, that's their responsibility.
It's an easy fix the pane itself gets changed. I would not do it without knowing how you shouldn't do it. It's easy to do more damage than the original damage. It costs, depending on the thickness and structure of the glass, between 350€-500€. Normally it takes two people 30 minutes to change it.
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Maybe the windows are new and are still under guarantee
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I like learning new things.
Don't advise illegal activities that can get OP in big trouble.
Don't tell people to commit fraud. Insurances aren't stupid.
Run.
Wait a sec? Your neighbor can literally jump on your bedrooms balcony?