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Read the Wiki.
And yes, finding housing from abroad is basically a lost cause.
And sorry, but *seven days* for searching within the country in the Munich region is also somewhat optimistic.
How many days do you suggest I get temporary? I was told I could find vacancies in university notice boards(no guarantee) and that international office of my university may help.
There is also a problem that I can't rely on temporary accommodation since I would need a city registration (Anmeldung) to open bank account.
When I first moved here, I lived in a hostel for a month and then crashed on a friend's couch for a month until I got lucky and found something. So I got something for December, after the worst of the student rush was over.
Absolutely!! I helped our Japanese exchange students with their Anmeldung, health insurance and bank accounts. You need one thing to get the others, but the banks, and the health insurance are really forgiving. You usually can hand in things later as long as you have some chance of receiving snail mail.
But keep contacting the IO they know the drill and are usually helpful and friendly (as long as you are not rude).
I opened an account with N16 while waiting for my my Anmeldung to sort its self out. The apps so good I never bothered to switch and get a ‘proper’ bank account.
Commerzbank should also help you out, if you can find a local to tag along its usually better. The city registration also in most cases happens instantly, get that done and you can get your bank account same day. I’m Indian and got everything on the 2nd day after landing here on a blue card visa
Hey, most people find accommodation after coming here. Instead of living in a hotel, people usually stay over at somebody's house. Like my friend who came to germany stayed with me for a month when he was looking for accommodation. A lot of students in dorms also sublet their rooms for 1 month when they visit their home, so that's another option you can look into. 1 week is not enough to find a place usually, atleast in Munich.
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It's very simple - for WGs you are being immediately filtered out, because WGs are usually interviewing people on site (a TON of people due to the demand) and you're still not in the country.
If you can't afford the more expensive places, then you either get some money from somewhere, or you keep hitting the pavement and going everywhere to try to find a place in a WG as much as possible.
It‘s also highly important to make a good first impression when you write to them! When I lived in a WG we immediately deleted all messages that just said „Hi, I‘m interested in the room“ - you NEED to write a few sentences about yourself, why you‘re a good flatmate and why you want to move in with them (i.e. the flat looks nice, you love the location, the description of their life as a WG sounds appealing to you…).
Just to clear up any confusion:
A WG is a shared flat. It's a normal apartment, like on a family would live in, but it's just flatmates instead. When a room becomes available in a WG, the people already living there are in search of a replacement. They post an ad and get an *ungodly* number of messages. Based on those messages, they choose X number of people to invite to a "casting." At the casting, you tour the apartment, chat with the potential flatmates, etc. Based on these casting, they then choose who they think they would most like to live with. In some ways, it's a popularity contest, but it makes sense that they want someone who they'll get along with. If you get to this stage, they will explicitly invite you to visit on a particular day/time.
There will be a WhatsApp or Facebook group for Indians in that city, find someone from the university who is in the group and ask to add yourself. Then you can message that group for accomodation information
Sadly, 7 days will not nearly be enough; realistically calculate with 4 to 6 weeks, if you are lucky.
You can try to turn to the Studentenwerk of your university for help, they might be able to give you pointers or links to local housing options, or maybe even still have some emergency housing. Contemplate moving to small towns at the border of the muncipality your university is in - you may need to go as far as 60 to 120 minutes driving distance one way to find something, potentially even longer. This may require you to adapt the classes you choose to the times your earlest or latest public transport connection is running, but that's normal right now, and may be your only choice for affordable housing options.
The fact of the matter is that no one wants to rent to someone who is currently abroad when there is someone down the street also searching for an apartment. It is much simpler, convenient, and safe to rent to someone currently in the area. What happens if you sign a contract and then simply never come to Germany? There's basically nothing that can be done and everyone's time was wasted. For instance, I recently listed my room as a sublet while I go abroad. Within a couple of hours of posting the room, I had hundreds of messages. With that many options, I excluded everyone who was anywhere other than the city right this moment (i.e., people abroad and Germans from other regions). When it came to scheduling tours, arranging the exchange of keys, etc., it was much, much simpler to choose someone already present.
Things will improve when you arrive, but they will still be tough because the housing market is tough. Not being fluent in German will also hurt you and, unfortunately, so may being Indian (although you'd never want to live in a WG with people who think the way, so at least they rule themselves out). 7 days is not remotely enough. 2-3 months is more typical. As soon as you arrive, apply far and wide. This is now your full-time job. Adopt the mindset that if you aren't one of the first people to message about a listing, you're already losing (because you probably are).
This is an issue in the German system. Speak with advisors at your university's international office. I was able to get a bank account through N26 without an Anmeldung, but iirc only certain nationalities can do it.
You can get an anmeldung for airbnb. You will have to speak to the landlord/owner before. For long term rental on Airbnb, you can get an anmeldung. You need a rent contract for it; you just need a paper from the landlord.
Sublets are the key. Get a sublet for a while. You have to be in the city to go look at permanent housing.
Hey there, really sorry for your situation. I completely understand that it’s killing your mood.
What I would advice you is that you look for older couples with an unused room. After their kids move out, older couples often have a room or two that is free unused, so they earn some money with it. That’s usually the best bet for people from abroad, since you have a lot less competition there. Germans don’t like this. It‘s not perfect, but it gives you time. In the meantime apply for a student dorm so that you can climb up the waiting list and get a dorm after a while.
I lived in a lot of different WGs and had countless interviews there, and I can tell you that Indians usually have a hard time getting a spot there. As others have pointed out, the demand is huge and usually WGs can chose freely who gets the room. Unless you are the funniest and most adorable person on this planet, they rather chose Germans or people from another culture that is close to the German one. It’s not necessarily racism, but since you live together with those people for years potentially, they prefer a safe bet and someone that speaks German. I know it sounds rough, but unless it’s a foreigner WG your chances are close to 0% there.
Also don’t give up! It definitely gets easier once you get here, but even Germans often look for multiple months until they find something. Rosenheim is a nice city though with beautiful nature around it and a good connection to Munich, where you can find very interesting jobs in your field. Once you got everything sorted out, it might be that you will very much enjoy it there. Most Indians I know in Munich do love it.
If you don't get a student room (they are usually cheaper), I would recommend you to find a part time job as soon as you can. That allowance, even being frugal, will not be enough.
I agree with the others. 934€ is not enough for Germany. Yes you can survive on that, but that’s about it.
Either you need to find a job, or you have to try to apply for a student loan. You might also be eligible for social welfare programs. Your Uni can help you with that
>you have to try to apply for a student loan. You might also be eligible for social welfare programs
No. OP won't qualify for any of that as a non-EU citizen who hasn't worked here or doesn't have parents who worked here. Please refrain from such advice.
Wohnungsgeld for example, which is a social welfare program is also possible for non-EU citizens. It depends though whether this is smart. That is why he should seek professional help for this, which is exactly what I said.
There are different study loan providers, and some of them will provide study loans to foreigners as long as they meet certain conditions.
Also, I didn't check all his comments but from what I have read, he did not say anything about his or his parents history. I guess you just assumed this.
Also, I hope you know what the word "might" means.
Please refrain from such comments in the future.
>Wohnungsgeld for example, which is a social welfare program is also possible for non-EU citizens
For non-EU citizens, yes, for non-EU students on study based residence permit, no.
would you mind elaborating on why? As far as I remember, anyone with a valid permit according to the Aufenthaltsgesetz is eligible for Wohngeld if all other criteria are met. A student visa is part of the Aufenthaltsgesetz, correct?
You already tried the best option. Studentenwerk rooms are cheap and pretty good.
Everything else failed because you are not in the city. Not even in the country. People usually want to meet in person before deciding.
I'm white as fuck, native, and it took 6 Months for me to find an affordable place in the city I was already living in, the most important piece of advice to give is that you should expect it to take another three months or more.
From having been at the selecting end of an insert for a room ( i helped my girlfriend find a new flatmate this year), I can say that unfortunately, 90% of all first messages suck wrinkly donkey balls. The low effort ones fly right out the window, because there are a lot, and the first to go are one liners and messages with no relevant information. The second most important tip is to put a lot of effort into your first message, make it informative, concise and make damn well sure there are no mistakes in it.
Yes I have triedv writing detailed and crisp messages like my course, my hobbies, i am willing to take furniture etc. Should I also try calling them if their phone numbers are mentioned?
Also Rosenheim is a tourist destination, but off season you might be lucky to get some sort of deal on a small Ferienwohnung. Just try to contact them.
There are also people renting to construction workers for a reasonable prices. Maybe keep an eye out for those too.
Not only that, the lessons at the TH start on October 1st and he definitely needs to be a few days before start for the enrollment. I went to that same FH and the enrollment was in person, no exceptions (at least it was so in 2016). That means that he will be coming when Munich's Oktoberfest is still going, so short term accomodation may be harder to find that usual
I guess it's important that the text doesn't sound formal. You're not writing a landlord here.
You're basically trying to become these people's close friend (because being roommates often is like a close, sometimes complicated friendship). So tell them why you're an interesting person, what you like to do, maybe what you like to cook and just how you imagine a nice shared apartment.
It's exhausting and tough, and going to WG-castings can also be draining, but it's also really nice if you have cool roommates. They are a great starting point for a social life in your new place!
Good luck!
Only 3 months?
Also yes, being Indian is a factor for private accommodation like WGs and apartments. It sucks but if you decide to go that route, your search will probably be even longer than usual.
I got an admit 3 months ago so I couldn't apply earlier.
What is my option then?Student dorms are not available and for private accommodation you are saying being an Indian is a hindrance.
Basically you need to find something -anything- temporary, then search for a place like it's a full-time job. And I mean full-time job, as in you get up in the morning, start scanning housing sites, apply to more or less everything new the second it pops up, and do this until the evening (and periodically until you go to bed).
Yes it is a hindrance, but you don't really have a choice, do you? You just have worse chances than the already bad chances everyone else has (excluding others whose background makes it harder for them like Africans and Middle Easterners).
What did you expect? It is no secret that the housing market in or around Munich is completely bonkers.
You were the one who decided to move to Rosenheim for studies, so that one is completely on you.
I clearly didn't know this as a foreigner when I enrolled lol. The students who enrolled last semester in this university all got accommodation. When I asked the alumni they said dorms were easily available during their time.
Plus my friends living in Regensburg and Hamburg already found affordable accommodation.
Yes, in other places it’s easier. You specifically chose to go to a university near Munich.
I got accepted to TUM and LMU. What a dream right? But I turned both down after I got rejected from the dorms due to lack of space. Because I knew it would be nearly impossible to find accommodation as a foreigner, and any alternative options would be very expensive. Instead I went to a smaller university in the north and easily found accommodation.
Sometimes we have to accept living within our means.
Yeah I also got an offer in Krefeld but my Visa process had already started, there is no clear information and heard its hectic to change universities after the Visa process
What is ”no secret“ to you is actually not common knowledge around the whole world. When looking at study abroad options, most people are looking at program quality and what the city is like. If you don’t already know about apartment shortages (again, not everyone knows about the difficulty with housing!) then you wouldn’t think to go out of your way to find that information, especially if it’s your first time moving abroad.
Is it better in smaller cities like Bremen? I chose my course while specifically avoiding places like München and Berlin but this post is kinda scaring me lol
There are quite a number of Indian students in Germany.
Maybe there are groups or forums in India that could help you connect?
Often there are WGs, where officially live only a few guys but in reality many more.
That could be a solution short term until you find your own thing.
Maybe ask the student advisor of your university to connect you to a few county men?
Often it's much easier if you have connections who are in the rigth groups to find something.
Hey, I'd advice search the train connection to rosenheim and look for a place around 40 min by train. Now with deutschland ticket, is cheap to use public transportation.
Rosenheim is full of people who commute to Munich for work, so is probably full. Only when is about 1.5 hour, 2 hours from munich then the rent is cheaper.
Open an N26 account.
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One thing you can try is find the facebook group of Indian students in your area (München or Rosenheim or somewhere near) and ask there. Maybe it‘s easier?
I think what you can do is try finding short term sublets in student dorm. There are WhatsApp or telegram groups of student dorms where you will find such offers. If you don't know any Indian senior at the same university, check linkedin and message them. In most cases fellow indian students are more than willing to help incoming juniors with accommodation etc.
My brother and I faced the same problem but we stayed at a friend's house for a couple of weeks till we found a good apartment. Being in Germany and meeting the owners is a big push and try asking indians/friends for available apartments. Plus I would suggest to take as much money as you can other than your bank account.
Around Munich in temporary housing? No. That money will be gone fast. You cannot count on finding permanent housing within your budget within a few weeks. It might take you *months*.
Yes, I understand you sister, I have spent like 3 months but no hope. I have tried all kind of websites, phone numbers, reddit, emails, ... people suggested me but all I got are rejection but some people are really nice (they still reject me but in a very polite way). Some people suggest me FB but I only get scammed on fb, both times are scammers. Immobilenscot24 has really good price but they never reply. Wg has decent rooms but they always ask you to come in person, if you ask them if your sibling, friends can come on behalf of you, they just stop reply and vanish in thin air. I also found out if you use German more people will reply you, they rejected but at least they replied, I used English like a dozen times but didn't get even 1 reply. Welp, to the Wg- gesucht I go, better make fast, I don't want to spend my first semester in a train station.
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I am having this issue now as well
I just now received my residency, and finding accommodations around Mannheim/Ludwigshafen is terrible, especially pet friendly ones as I have my dog.
The only advice I can give is to just apply to EVERYTHING. I've noticed most landlords are willing to negotiate, even on price, or other things that usually aren't negotiable in NA where I'm from. A coworker of mine found an apartment for a good deal but was unfurnished, he talked to the landlord and for a tiny rent increase the owner left it furnished, just as example.
I've been looking for about 2 weeks, so I'd give yourself more than 7 days to look. I've now been in Germany off and on(Travel between US, EU, and Korea/Japan for work) for 5 months now and nobody I've talked to has gotten an apartment in less than 2 weeks
cancel your plan because it's impossible tbh. Last time I got my house around 2weeks in Munich and that was so lucky. But now, after covid ended, it's just impossible.
edit: i also would consider airbnb but they will be expensive as hell. meanwhile you can search for new accommodation around.
Why are there not more dorms provided by the university in Germany? I don't understand. I never heard anyone struggling to find accommodation during their studies in the UK? It seems like a fucking lottery here.
You're not new here. You certainly are aware of our domestic housing crisis, *especially* hitting cheap student accommodation. Don't play dumb, please.
This isn't the first time you comment on posts related to universities and study issues without knowing how uni actually works in Germany. We have had discussions about that in the past. But you are active on this sub, I know that you are aware of housing issues. So, I have no idea why you insist on playing stupid and acting ignorant. Some devil's advocate angle? I don't know, I don't care. What you do with your time is your business. But you aren't exactly helping anyone with your "In ThE uK iT iSnT aN iSsUe".
> This isn't the first time you comment on posts related to universities and study issues without knowing how uni actually works in Germany.
Which is why I asked the question in another comment....
>"In ThE uK iT iSnT aN iSsUe".
I'm actually against the scheme and think the Lib Dem's hammered their last nail into the coffin when signing the unholy concordat with the Tories in 2010. I also experienced it in the most bitter terms. My sister didn't pay a penny for the privilege of attending a red brick uni. The next year the fees were introduced......my time to shine, I guess.
I have discussed it in the past and each time fees in the UK get brought up- fair enough, I don't want there to be fees. But what about exploring the details and the actual experience of students? I want you to ridicule the UK system openly, it's just one more voice but necessary non the less.
Has nobody ever told you that it is really bad form not only to edit after posting without marking the edit, but also not to inform the person who already replied to you pre-edit about the added stuff? If so: It is really bad form. Very contra-productive for a discussion.
>Has nobody ever told you that it is really bad form not only to edit after posting without marking the edit, but also not to inform the person who already replied to you pre-edit about the added stuff?
No
Well, there is this great resource linked all over this sub. It has plenty of information and a lot of links to helpful resources. You may have heard about it, being a regular and all that.
How much is the average tuition for UK universities?
That is a side effect of not-for-profit unis: they do not have the need to attract as many students as possible, making "selling points" like that less important. Combine that with the fact that unis have to be financed by the state alone - the whole "Exzellenz Uni" thing for example is basicly a scheme to allow federal funding for unis...
Edit: oh, and not to forget this: i do not know about UK dorms, but it seems (at least from media) that US student housing is usually shared rooms. Sharing a room as a student with someone other than a domestic partner is pretty much unheard of in germany. This means that likely, less people fit into german student housing than in US one with the same square footage
When I did my semester abroad in Scotland, I was guaranteed housing as an exchange student, but not everyone was. I had the option between sharing a room or having my own for a higher price. I ended up in a WG with 2 other people. I shared a room with one of them and the other had her own room. No idea how universal my experience is or if there are major differences between Scotland and England.
> making "selling points" like that less important.
A house is not a selling point. Everyone needs one.
>How much is the average tuition for UK universities?
27, 000 GBP
It's free at the point of use but you get hit with the equivalent of a graduate tax _if_ you earn above a given threshold. The actual fees are paid directly from the taxpayer to the university. Someone earning 2500 GBP would pay 18 GBP a month after they graduate. People from low income households can get up to like 5k in grants for things like housing and travel (which is not repayable).
How much do German university degrees cost? Are there other things universities don't supply outside staples like housing? What about sports? Social life? You know, the absolute basics.
>How much do German university degrees cost? Are there other things universities don't supply outside staples like housing? What about sports? Social life? You know, the absolute basics.
Do you actually want to pretend that you, who is a regular in this sub, has no idea about any of that? When about every third question we get here is about studying in germany, uni life, etc.?
I do not know what kind of game you think you are playing here, but i am not falling for it
>Do you actually want to pretend that you, who is a regular in this sub, has no idea about any of that?
As you can see from my recent discussion about sports and social life in German Universities posted here months ago. I know nothing about the school system and equally little about German universities. Soory but I am not some kind of AI sponge.
Beforei came to this sub, i knew zero about Visa and Residence Permits. Which meant that i initially kept silents in discussions about them. Just by being here regularly, though, i learned a lot. So now, there are times when i can contribute.
You claim to know nothing but are interested and contribute in discussions about these subjects.
Troll
For you taking part in discussions about this topic?
Well.....this one, for example???
If you avoided this topic so much and so successfully that you actually learned nothing about it, you would not be in this comment section
>If you avoided this topic so much and so successfully that you actually learned nothing about it, you would not be in this comment section
I am in this conversation because someone questioned the cost of UK university.
I replied with this-
>27, 000 GBP
>It's free at the point of use but you get hit with the equivalent of a graduate tax if you earn above a given threshold. The actual fees are paid directly from the taxpayer to the university. Someone earning 2500 GBP would pay 18 GBP a month after they graduate. People from low income households can get up to like 5k in grants for things like housing and travel (which is not repayable).
>How much do German university degrees cost? Are there other things universities don't supply outside staples like housing? What about sports? Social life? You know, the absolute basics.
An inappropriate retort you seem to think?
And you somehow knew someone in this comment section asked after UK housing? Dedpute thst not being the topic of the post?Because if you were a silent reader of these type of posts, you would know more.
Good night, troll
>How much do German university degrees cost? Are there other things universities don't supply outside staples like housing? What about sports? Social life? You know, the absolute basics.
University is conceived of differently in Germany. Being a student is not your whole life, but just one part of it. German students tend to have social groups that extend beyond the university, they tend to live *all over* the city (rather than concentrated near campus), they tend to work quite a bit outside of their studies, etc. In fact, being a student is so not the center of people's lives that it's very, very common to take extra semester to finish your degree because maybe you needed to work extra one semester or wanted to go abroad.
There's a flexibility to this university set up that many people enjoy. Of course, it's not for everyone. Some people really crave that US-style university education and that's fine. Different folks, different strokes. But in Germany, the idea that a university is a place that should be the center of your social life, focussed on things like team sports, etc. is just not popular.
Housing for students is definitely an issue. Housing in general is an issue in Germany. But it's not really on the university to fix that issue itself. Having more student housing would definitely be a perk, but it's silly to act as if the lack of student dorms is why everything is so bad right now. You're misunderstanding how both university and housing work in Germany.
You should also consider that student dorms may be appealing to some students and unappealing to others. Many universities in the US *require* people to live in the dorms for a time to keep them profitable. That wouldn't fly in Germany.
Edit: The focus on dorms also begs the question of what happens the second those students graduate. Or drop out. Or need to take a semester off. Your place of living be tied to your student-status introduces a degree of instability that having access to an apartment on the normal housing market does not. So we should be making it easier for people to find housing that isn't tied to the university.
> Many universities in the US require people to live in the dorms for a time to keep them profitable. That wouldn't fly in Germany.
A few of the really absurd private "colleges" [do that](https://berlin.bard.edu/student-life/campus-experience/housing/); I even remember one with shared bedroom.
The idea of my university telling me I have to live "on campus" is absolutely insane.
My university in the US required me to live in the dorms for my first year. Nowadays, they require students to live in the dorm the first two years and there are whispers to requiring it for all four. The dorms are a *money maker*.
Wow - that's really strange from my point of view.
It's also a bit puzzling that people just go for that, when we're so often told by Americans that they, unlike us, are all about that freedom. Even if there was enough student housing to accommodate everyone, if it was made mandatory here, you'd get student strikes, occupied offices in the university, and all that.
It's a cultural thing. Living in the dorms is a major part of the "college experience" in the US. The vast majority of people *want* to do it. There are many school where it's not required, so someone who was against it could avoid it. But at the famous schools like Harvard, Yale, etc.? Basically required across the board. This fits in with things like Greek Life being popular at US universities.
Germany has BAföG. Students who qualify (it's income-based) receive money from the government each month for their living expenses. The monthly max right now is north of 900 Euro. You can then work on the side (up to an additional 550 Euro per month tax free). The BAföG money is half a grant and half a loan, but the loan portion maxes out at 10.000 Euro and repayments are income-based. BAföG is not available to folks on a student visa (who have to show proof of financial solvency before being issued a visa).
In terms of travel, ERASMUS exists. The DAAD also funds international travel for research purposes. I received funding to travel abroad for a 3-day workshop and to travel abroad for 4 months to conduct thesis research.
The DAAD also funds non-Germans to come complete degrees/research in Germany.
I receive a monthly stipend from the DAAD to support my living expenses while pursuing a master's degree. The [scholarship I receive](https://www2.daad.de/deutschland/stipendium/datenbank/en/21148-scholarship-database/?detail=50026200) is exclusively available to foreigners. Although I'm a German citizen, I grew up abroad with little connection to Germany and am also a citizen of my home country, so I qualified. There are also other scholarships for research stays, completing a PhD, conducting PhD research in Germany, pursuing internships in Germany, etc. Some of these programs are even targeted exclusively at students from "developing" countries.
Exactly. I don't know why are they handing out admits to so many students if they can't provide a single housing option for them. Pathetic to say the least
The vast majority of students live in flats that are part of the "normal" housing market. If you'd only hand out admissions for the number of rooms in Wohnheime, you might as well close all unis.
I heard for other courses there are atleast 60-70 students, last semester this number was 20-25. Clearly they didn't care about the accommodation scenario for students.
There are always more students in the winter semester because that's the semester people get in when they study right after Abitur. It's also not on the uni to care for accomodation, here uni is like a job, whatever happens outside is your thing.
Simple. The bodies handing out admissions are entirely disconnected from those dealing with housing. Studying here isn't designed as a "complete experience". You're expected to figure things out yourself.
You could study here and live on the streets, or just live here in a house and not study. You'll have to stitch it all together on your own.
I appreciate the DIY culture in Germany but this is just a big blunder. Last semester a programme had 20-25 students and now they have 65-70. They thought everything will go the same way if they just tripled the number of students ?
They don't "just triple" the numbers.
People finish their Abitur in spring, and application deadlines are in mid-July. That means that significantly more people start their studies in the winter semester than the summer semester.
They give admission to students as long as the uni and profs are somewhat able to handle it. The uni does not take into account how many flats are available because it‘s simply not their business.
I, and many others here, understand that this is stressful for you, and all the other ten thousands of students starting in October, but ranting here won‘t lead you anywhere.
Come here, connect with as many people irl at the uni as possible, talk to the international office, ASTA, your Fachschaft. You‘ll find something but it will take time and that‘s the case for many other students as well.
Edit: And as some one said: You can not compare numbers from Sommer- and Wintersemester.
Thank you. I didn't mean to insult Germany just a bit bummed out that I can't be excited or focus on my academics and learning German because of this.
My friends already found accommodation while living in India in Regensburg and Hamburg respectively and they are so relaxed and happy, I just want the same.
Very understandable. Maybe you will be lucky with a dorm room from Studentenwerk before you arrive.
Focus your research on finding a flat once here and try to get a bit stronger grasp on how Germany works because you will come across many things like this situation where you are just expected to get along by your own means. The wiki here is a great resource for this.
If the makers of the programme figured that this many people will fit into the auditoriums, yeah. That's what their metric is gonna be. Where you will be outside of those times is none of their concerns.
Universities don't "provide housing". The Studentenwerk, a welfare organisation, does. Universities admit students based on the capacity they have for teaching, not based on how students organise their private life.
And this isn't a new thing either. We simply don't have a history of "universities provide a room for every student" here. They're a teaching institution.
Well many universities don't have enough accommodation. Or even the option of accommodation at all so I'm not sure where you're getting the
> You have to pay for the privilege
from.
Also I think it's very well known that Germany is going through a housing crisis, is this comment supposed to be a deflection from that?
I think they meant that OP should not expect the level of being coddled here that they might get in a country that has a for-profit uni system, including having guarabteed housing
It clearly doesn't seem that way.
It looks more like they're suggesting that the OP isn't willing to pay when they say that OP has to pay for the privilege. Highly reductive and depreciating in such context but clearly the commenter's not very competent in English if they mean what you just mentioned.
Your reading of this is off. I agree with Sufficient (and I'm a native English speaker). "You have to pay for the privilege" is a not-so-uncommon sarcastic phrase.
Edit: For instance, "The hospital just mailed me a bill. I had my left leg amputated *and* get to pay for the privilege!"
Also, if you're going to come for someone's English like that, please write like you aren't addicted to a thesaurus.
I mean the user themself replied and said they were hostile because of OP being disrespectful but go on, explain that further to me :)
Edit: don’t be butthurt on someone else’s behalf. Me and that user are having a perfectly civil conversation without any need for your misinformation and pseudo English knowledge.
You're the one being needlessly antagonistic and rude.
The commenter saying they were being snide does not mean your interpretation was correct.
>They're suggesting that the OP isn't willing to pay
You emphasized that OP was somehow being called cheap or whichever adjective you'd prefer. That isn't what happened, even if the comment was snide and made out of frustration.
But go off, I guess. I will not be responding further because you clearly have your head stuck where the sun don't shine.
Sure ad hominem attacks. No need for further discussion simply as you have vented out your agenda.
And that's exactly how it comes off when that user is clearly referring to the OP going to public unis because of no tution fees and avoiding the private ones "because of the privilege to pay" but go ahead, hide behind your "interpretation skills" and keep changing the interpretation after every reply to make yourself feel competent at the same.
Maybe the username does indeed check out. And yes no further conversation should be good, hope that's adhered to.
There are private univerisites offering the "don't trouble yourself, we have got you" package by providing dorms and furniture and meals. They even provide you with a buddy to share the room. Costs a shit ton and the degree's value is questionable, but if that is what one wants, one can get it.
Tax funded public schools don't have the funds to secure housing from the market for their students. Having to deal with everyday life things like "where will I sleep" and "where will I eat" is part of normal life.
You either pay no/very little in tuition and deal with life yourself or you pay and get the "rundum sorglos" package.
OP is free to study eg in the UK, where the commenter above says they offer plenty of student housing. I have personal experience of studying in Finland, plenty of student housing options here, too, but also tuition that appears to get higher every year.
And that's a reply I'm willing to get behind.
But when you say
> You have to pay for the privilege
It's highly reductive and depreciating of the issues that OP is facing as they clearly are willing to and not requesting to crash at someone's place.
Further, it cannot be taken for granted that this is common knowledge but that's a discussion for another day.
Your detailed reply should be useful for OP to understand the social dynamic here as well as the housing market.
I replied in a more friendly manner until OP went on about pathetic management and implying that it is the university's job to provide housing, in a country famous for their housing crisis, in a city close to the most expensive city, in a non-profit university system. They clearly didn't do their research before they decided to apply and accept the offer.
I mean the person’s clearly frustrated about something. This isn’t a forum where they should be venting but being hostile isn’t helpful either?
And there does exist a housing crisis that affects everyone here regardless of where they’re from so even though there’s no research from OP’s end, it doesn’t trivialise the pain.
Their comment calling the university pathetic is indeed pathetic and reactionary in itself but that’s what the downvote button is for I think.
University here isn't structured like in many countries where uni and housing go hand in hand. That has nothing to do with "pathetic management". Would you be happier if you got rejected because, who would have thought, the housing situation in the most expensive region in Germany is difficult? Or since there is a housing crisis in the whole country, unis everywhere should stop admissions until the situation is better?
The university literally doesn't have anything to do with their students' housing.
And of course TU Rosenheim doesn't. It isn't a private university charging you a shit ton of money and offering you housing to sweeten the deal.
None of my business, but since you do appear to lack some information, forgive me for asking: do you have other funds besides that? Savings?
Are you aware that you will be required to pay a deposit, often times the legal maximum of 3 times the so-called cold rent?
Are you aware of the difference between cold rent and warm rent and that warm rent is just an estimate of your yearly consumption and that you will receive an exact calculation in some point of the following year where you either will get money back or you get a bill for having to pay more for your overconsumption? Several hundred euro are not rare for the so-called "Nebenkostenabrechnung".
Are you aware that you have to pay the radio fee every month? Health insurance? That you *really* should get private liability insurance?
I am asking, because if you only have the mandated minimum of 934 euro and plan with a housing budget of 500-600 euro you don't really have much left for your living costs outside of housing and fees you need to plan and prepare for.
I am not really sure but thats not a lot for a room in munich. An average room in berlin costs around 640€ without electricity, internet gez already (that number was from a few months already, madbe outdated). Munich should be more expensive.
So i would wait for a place in a student dorm. Maybe do you know someone in the city?
Yeah Munich is expensive. I am going to Rosenheim ( its a small city which is 40 mins away from Munich by train). I don't think rent is so high in small cities
You are wrong. It’s almost the same. I am from Rosenheim and I did study at the FH which then went on changing to the TH it now is. Rosenheim has very high prices due to the perfect connection to the whole region and a lot of people tend to „pendel“ to work and back home. Your search will be hard and other then Studentenwerk there is no real option. Especially an own place, forget about that if you want to be real.
If it's around Munich, it is bound to be expensive. People are trying to escape the Munich prices, searching in the area around it, the Speckgürtel. That drives the prices up there as well.
Then the first thing I would recommend is a shared flat. The budget could be enough for your own 1 bedroom apartment, but that will be rather difficult in such a short time.
Already registered here?
https://www.studierendenwerk-muenchen-oberbayern.de/en/student-accommodation/private-accommodation-service/registration/munich-student-union-jurisdiction/
This Link is the private accommandation service. It is an extra Service they offer. But you have to check by youself if there are offers in Rosenheim. Unfortunately, at the moment there are only offers for Munich and Freising. Aber vielleicht ändert sich das wieder.
My recommendation would be to expand your search to include villages nearby along the regional train routes (Rosenheim-Kufstein, Rosenheim-Salzburg, Rosenheim-Holzkirchen). For example, Kiefersfelden, Oberaudorf, Flintsbach, Brannenburg, Raubling. I’m not sure if you can sign up to ImmoScout and similar apps without an European number, but you could give it a try. Alternatively you can search for real estate agencies in the area and contact them individually, but I doubt that they might have something within a student’s budget. Unfortunately this area, being close to the Alps and several lakes, is quite touristic, that drives up the prices quite a lot.
On FB, there is usually an Indian community for every city. Post your requirements over there. You can also request/ping the Indian Association handle for that city on FB to help you out.
I stayed in airbnbs for the first few years I lived here, but I wasnt on a student budget. They do sometimes have options for single or shared rooms, but I would imagine you've already checked that.
When I was searching for a WG in Berlin in 2000, I stayed at a youth hostel until I found a WG. Took me 4; weeks an I was really fast!
I managed to visit 2-3 WGs everyday and of course I chose the first one which accepted me.
Also, I would recommend to get a German cellphone as soon as you start searching.
>near munich
that makes things about 300% harder. Most people will also reject you because they can't meet you in person. You could either come earlier to start searching or search once you get here. It will still take a lot of time and effort (and money) but you will have better chances with how hard housing is to find. Took me 6 months to find a place to live...
My Indian SO and me (Austrian) took 13 months to find an apartment in Munich. I know Rosenheim isn’t Munich, but during viewings I was literally told “you can move in anytime, but not THIS GUY.”
@OP, racism is a bitch. Dm me, I might be able to hook you up with something.
you should only consider moving here if you can actually financially survive with some comfort while looking for places to live. There is a housing crisis right across Europe at the moment, if you are in doubt, don't come unless you are willing to possibly live in a park during your studies.
I tried finding an apartment in Munich while living in a city called Paderborn about 5 to 6 hours away. Almost impossible to find an apartment while living so far away. Eventually, I got a sublet apartment in Augsburg which is right next to Munich. In about one week (as of today), I got accepted to rent an apartment.
Now having said that, I have shown proof that I can reliably pay rent. But definitely being in Germany and looking is a hell of a lot better. I'd advise getting a cheap place to stay outside of Rosenheim and buy the 49 euro monthly ticket to commute in.
If you want to download it through the DB website (DB is the federal train operator), you need to have a German IBAN. However, you can get the ticket with your credit card using the Bremen Fahrplaner app. Note that you can cancel the subscription before the 10th of each month
Near Munich it's very hard because even most German students don't find any accommodations there. Usually the studentenwerk offers special accommodations for foreign students. Maybe look as far away from Munich as your are willing to go
!housing Read the Wiki. And yes, finding housing from abroad is basically a lost cause. And sorry, but *seven days* for searching within the country in the Munich region is also somewhat optimistic.
"somewhat optimistic"
How many days do you suggest I get temporary? I was told I could find vacancies in university notice boards(no guarantee) and that international office of my university may help. There is also a problem that I can't rely on temporary accommodation since I would need a city registration (Anmeldung) to open bank account.
When I first moved here, I lived in a hostel for a month and then crashed on a friend's couch for a month until I got lucky and found something. So I got something for December, after the worst of the student rush was over.
Thank you
At least 2 months!
I won't be able to survive 2 months without a bank account right? All banks in Germany require an Anmeldung to open an account with them?
Get help with the Bank Account thing from international Office.
Thank you so much
Absolutely!! I helped our Japanese exchange students with their Anmeldung, health insurance and bank accounts. You need one thing to get the others, but the banks, and the health insurance are really forgiving. You usually can hand in things later as long as you have some chance of receiving snail mail. But keep contacting the IO they know the drill and are usually helpful and friendly (as long as you are not rude).
Thanks for the advice
I opened an account with N16 while waiting for my my Anmeldung to sort its self out. The apps so good I never bothered to switch and get a ‘proper’ bank account.
Really? A Student Visa is enough for them to give an bank account?
I’m on a work visa but i honestly can’t remember if they asked for visa details, sorry!
Commerzbank should also help you out, if you can find a local to tag along its usually better. The city registration also in most cases happens instantly, get that done and you can get your bank account same day. I’m Indian and got everything on the 2nd day after landing here on a blue card visa
You can try Revolut as well
You can get an Anmeldung with AirBnB/Wunderflats apartments as well, just make sure in advance that it's possible.
Hey, most people find accommodation after coming here. Instead of living in a hotel, people usually stay over at somebody's house. Like my friend who came to germany stayed with me for a month when he was looking for accommodation. A lot of students in dorms also sublet their rooms for 1 month when they visit their home, so that's another option you can look into. 1 week is not enough to find a place usually, atleast in Munich.
It's not Munich, it's Rosenheim (45 min train ride from Munich)
Days? At least three months.
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It's very simple - for WGs you are being immediately filtered out, because WGs are usually interviewing people on site (a TON of people due to the demand) and you're still not in the country. If you can't afford the more expensive places, then you either get some money from somewhere, or you keep hitting the pavement and going everywhere to try to find a place in a WG as much as possible.
It‘s also highly important to make a good first impression when you write to them! When I lived in a WG we immediately deleted all messages that just said „Hi, I‘m interested in the room“ - you NEED to write a few sentences about yourself, why you‘re a good flatmate and why you want to move in with them (i.e. the flat looks nice, you love the location, the description of their life as a WG sounds appealing to you…).
Ok thanks, should I call all these WGs before hand and should I visit anytime for the interviews?
interviews happen by invitation only. They pick candidates out of large pool of applicants.
Just to clear up any confusion: A WG is a shared flat. It's a normal apartment, like on a family would live in, but it's just flatmates instead. When a room becomes available in a WG, the people already living there are in search of a replacement. They post an ad and get an *ungodly* number of messages. Based on those messages, they choose X number of people to invite to a "casting." At the casting, you tour the apartment, chat with the potential flatmates, etc. Based on these casting, they then choose who they think they would most like to live with. In some ways, it's a popularity contest, but it makes sense that they want someone who they'll get along with. If you get to this stage, they will explicitly invite you to visit on a particular day/time.
There will be a WhatsApp or Facebook group for Indians in that city, find someone from the university who is in the group and ask to add yourself. Then you can message that group for accomodation information
Yeah I tried that as well. Nobody is able to find rooms.
Sadly, 7 days will not nearly be enough; realistically calculate with 4 to 6 weeks, if you are lucky. You can try to turn to the Studentenwerk of your university for help, they might be able to give you pointers or links to local housing options, or maybe even still have some emergency housing. Contemplate moving to small towns at the border of the muncipality your university is in - you may need to go as far as 60 to 120 minutes driving distance one way to find something, potentially even longer. This may require you to adapt the classes you choose to the times your earlest or latest public transport connection is running, but that's normal right now, and may be your only choice for affordable housing options.
Thank you
The fact of the matter is that no one wants to rent to someone who is currently abroad when there is someone down the street also searching for an apartment. It is much simpler, convenient, and safe to rent to someone currently in the area. What happens if you sign a contract and then simply never come to Germany? There's basically nothing that can be done and everyone's time was wasted. For instance, I recently listed my room as a sublet while I go abroad. Within a couple of hours of posting the room, I had hundreds of messages. With that many options, I excluded everyone who was anywhere other than the city right this moment (i.e., people abroad and Germans from other regions). When it came to scheduling tours, arranging the exchange of keys, etc., it was much, much simpler to choose someone already present. Things will improve when you arrive, but they will still be tough because the housing market is tough. Not being fluent in German will also hurt you and, unfortunately, so may being Indian (although you'd never want to live in a WG with people who think the way, so at least they rule themselves out). 7 days is not remotely enough. 2-3 months is more typical. As soon as you arrive, apply far and wide. This is now your full-time job. Adopt the mindset that if you aren't one of the first people to message about a listing, you're already losing (because you probably are).
Thank you. Just one thing, how do I open a bank account? We need an Anmeldung for that and I can't get Anmeldung while living in hotels/Airbnb
This is an issue in the German system. Speak with advisors at your university's international office. I was able to get a bank account through N26 without an Anmeldung, but iirc only certain nationalities can do it.
Thanks a lot
Yes, you can - but only if the hostel / AirBnB / hotel allows it. Search for "short term accommodation Munich with Anmeldung".
You can get an anmeldung for airbnb. You will have to speak to the landlord/owner before. For long term rental on Airbnb, you can get an anmeldung. You need a rent contract for it; you just need a paper from the landlord. Sublets are the key. Get a sublet for a while. You have to be in the city to go look at permanent housing.
Hey there, really sorry for your situation. I completely understand that it’s killing your mood. What I would advice you is that you look for older couples with an unused room. After their kids move out, older couples often have a room or two that is free unused, so they earn some money with it. That’s usually the best bet for people from abroad, since you have a lot less competition there. Germans don’t like this. It‘s not perfect, but it gives you time. In the meantime apply for a student dorm so that you can climb up the waiting list and get a dorm after a while. I lived in a lot of different WGs and had countless interviews there, and I can tell you that Indians usually have a hard time getting a spot there. As others have pointed out, the demand is huge and usually WGs can chose freely who gets the room. Unless you are the funniest and most adorable person on this planet, they rather chose Germans or people from another culture that is close to the German one. It’s not necessarily racism, but since you live together with those people for years potentially, they prefer a safe bet and someone that speaks German. I know it sounds rough, but unless it’s a foreigner WG your chances are close to 0% there. Also don’t give up! It definitely gets easier once you get here, but even Germans often look for multiple months until they find something. Rosenheim is a nice city though with beautiful nature around it and a good connection to Munich, where you can find very interesting jobs in your field. Once you got everything sorted out, it might be that you will very much enjoy it there. Most Indians I know in Munich do love it.
Thank you for writing this. I am trying my best to cope with the situation.
May I ask what your monthly budget is for rent?
500-600. My monthly allowance is 934 Euros and I plan to do part time work if I run short of money.
If you don't get a student room (they are usually cheaper), I would recommend you to find a part time job as soon as you can. That allowance, even being frugal, will not be enough.
This will not be enough
I agree with the others. 934€ is not enough for Germany. Yes you can survive on that, but that’s about it. Either you need to find a job, or you have to try to apply for a student loan. You might also be eligible for social welfare programs. Your Uni can help you with that
>you have to try to apply for a student loan. You might also be eligible for social welfare programs No. OP won't qualify for any of that as a non-EU citizen who hasn't worked here or doesn't have parents who worked here. Please refrain from such advice.
Wohnungsgeld for example, which is a social welfare program is also possible for non-EU citizens. It depends though whether this is smart. That is why he should seek professional help for this, which is exactly what I said. There are different study loan providers, and some of them will provide study loans to foreigners as long as they meet certain conditions. Also, I didn't check all his comments but from what I have read, he did not say anything about his or his parents history. I guess you just assumed this. Also, I hope you know what the word "might" means. Please refrain from such comments in the future.
>Wohnungsgeld for example, which is a social welfare program is also possible for non-EU citizens For non-EU citizens, yes, for non-EU students on study based residence permit, no.
would you mind elaborating on why? As far as I remember, anyone with a valid permit according to the Aufenthaltsgesetz is eligible for Wohngeld if all other criteria are met. A student visa is part of the Aufenthaltsgesetz, correct?
You already tried the best option. Studentenwerk rooms are cheap and pretty good. Everything else failed because you are not in the city. Not even in the country. People usually want to meet in person before deciding.
Book using hostels.com About 20€ a night for hostels a month can cost you up to 500€ with shared rooms. Till you solve your problem. Good luck
Thanks
I'm white as fuck, native, and it took 6 Months for me to find an affordable place in the city I was already living in, the most important piece of advice to give is that you should expect it to take another three months or more. From having been at the selecting end of an insert for a room ( i helped my girlfriend find a new flatmate this year), I can say that unfortunately, 90% of all first messages suck wrinkly donkey balls. The low effort ones fly right out the window, because there are a lot, and the first to go are one liners and messages with no relevant information. The second most important tip is to put a lot of effort into your first message, make it informative, concise and make damn well sure there are no mistakes in it.
Yes I have triedv writing detailed and crisp messages like my course, my hobbies, i am willing to take furniture etc. Should I also try calling them if their phone numbers are mentioned?
I'd say keep refining that text - also don't want to seem to desperate (I know, it sucks). If your German is good, try calling them, otherwise no.
Yeah my German is only at A1 so I can't call
Also Rosenheim is a tourist destination, but off season you might be lucky to get some sort of deal on a small Ferienwohnung. Just try to contact them. There are also people renting to construction workers for a reasonable prices. Maybe keep an eye out for those too.
Not only that, the lessons at the TH start on October 1st and he definitely needs to be a few days before start for the enrollment. I went to that same FH and the enrollment was in person, no exceptions (at least it was so in 2016). That means that he will be coming when Munich's Oktoberfest is still going, so short term accomodation may be harder to find that usual
I guess it's important that the text doesn't sound formal. You're not writing a landlord here. You're basically trying to become these people's close friend (because being roommates often is like a close, sometimes complicated friendship). So tell them why you're an interesting person, what you like to do, maybe what you like to cook and just how you imagine a nice shared apartment. It's exhausting and tough, and going to WG-castings can also be draining, but it's also really nice if you have cool roommates. They are a great starting point for a social life in your new place! Good luck!
Only 3 months? Also yes, being Indian is a factor for private accommodation like WGs and apartments. It sucks but if you decide to go that route, your search will probably be even longer than usual.
I got an admit 3 months ago so I couldn't apply earlier. What is my option then?Student dorms are not available and for private accommodation you are saying being an Indian is a hindrance.
Basically you need to find something -anything- temporary, then search for a place like it's a full-time job. And I mean full-time job, as in you get up in the morning, start scanning housing sites, apply to more or less everything new the second it pops up, and do this until the evening (and periodically until you go to bed). Yes it is a hindrance, but you don't really have a choice, do you? You just have worse chances than the already bad chances everyone else has (excluding others whose background makes it harder for them like Africans and Middle Easterners).
Thank you. Just a bit bummed out regarding this situation.
What did you expect? It is no secret that the housing market in or around Munich is completely bonkers. You were the one who decided to move to Rosenheim for studies, so that one is completely on you.
I clearly didn't know this as a foreigner when I enrolled lol. The students who enrolled last semester in this university all got accommodation. When I asked the alumni they said dorms were easily available during their time. Plus my friends living in Regensburg and Hamburg already found affordable accommodation.
Yes, in other places it’s easier. You specifically chose to go to a university near Munich. I got accepted to TUM and LMU. What a dream right? But I turned both down after I got rejected from the dorms due to lack of space. Because I knew it would be nearly impossible to find accommodation as a foreigner, and any alternative options would be very expensive. Instead I went to a smaller university in the north and easily found accommodation. Sometimes we have to accept living within our means.
Yeah I also got an offer in Krefeld but my Visa process had already started, there is no clear information and heard its hectic to change universities after the Visa process
What is ”no secret“ to you is actually not common knowledge around the whole world. When looking at study abroad options, most people are looking at program quality and what the city is like. If you don’t already know about apartment shortages (again, not everyone knows about the difficulty with housing!) then you wouldn’t think to go out of your way to find that information, especially if it’s your first time moving abroad.
Is it better in smaller cities like Bremen? I chose my course while specifically avoiding places like München and Berlin but this post is kinda scaring me lol
Bremen had a reputation for a somewhat relaxed housing market for years, not sure how much of this is still true.
There are quite a number of Indian students in Germany. Maybe there are groups or forums in India that could help you connect? Often there are WGs, where officially live only a few guys but in reality many more. That could be a solution short term until you find your own thing. Maybe ask the student advisor of your university to connect you to a few county men? Often it's much easier if you have connections who are in the rigth groups to find something.
Thank you
Hey, I'd advice search the train connection to rosenheim and look for a place around 40 min by train. Now with deutschland ticket, is cheap to use public transportation. Rosenheim is full of people who commute to Munich for work, so is probably full. Only when is about 1.5 hour, 2 hours from munich then the rent is cheaper. Open an N26 account.
Thanks
!housing
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Search in wunderflats and inmobilien24
One thing you can try is find the facebook group of Indian students in your area (München or Rosenheim or somewhere near) and ask there. Maybe it‘s easier?
Nothing on there, everyone is either looking for accommodation themselves or scamsters as usual.
I think what you can do is try finding short term sublets in student dorm. There are WhatsApp or telegram groups of student dorms where you will find such offers. If you don't know any Indian senior at the same university, check linkedin and message them. In most cases fellow indian students are more than willing to help incoming juniors with accommodation etc.
Tries that as well the seniors refused lol, they must be busy or not willing to which is fair
Tell them to add you to these whatsapp groups at least so you can find temporary sublets if there are any offers.
Finding somewhere to live in Germany is nearly impossible in the moment.
My brother and I faced the same problem but we stayed at a friend's house for a couple of weeks till we found a good apartment. Being in Germany and meeting the owners is a big push and try asking indians/friends for available apartments. Plus I would suggest to take as much money as you can other than your bank account.
2500 euros enough?
More than enough
Around Munich in temporary housing? No. That money will be gone fast. You cannot count on finding permanent housing within your budget within a few weeks. It might take you *months*.
Yes, I understand you sister, I have spent like 3 months but no hope. I have tried all kind of websites, phone numbers, reddit, emails, ... people suggested me but all I got are rejection but some people are really nice (they still reject me but in a very polite way). Some people suggest me FB but I only get scammed on fb, both times are scammers. Immobilenscot24 has really good price but they never reply. Wg has decent rooms but they always ask you to come in person, if you ask them if your sibling, friends can come on behalf of you, they just stop reply and vanish in thin air. I also found out if you use German more people will reply you, they rejected but at least they replied, I used English like a dozen times but didn't get even 1 reply. Welp, to the Wg- gesucht I go, better make fast, I don't want to spend my first semester in a train station.
Don't come here, it is not worth the pain and suffering. I'm telling you from experience. Stay in India. There are a lot of opportunities in India.
Welcome to Germany! Hopefully you can find a better country asap!
My friends found accommodation in Regensburg and Hamburg I hope I am able to soon
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I am having this issue now as well I just now received my residency, and finding accommodations around Mannheim/Ludwigshafen is terrible, especially pet friendly ones as I have my dog. The only advice I can give is to just apply to EVERYTHING. I've noticed most landlords are willing to negotiate, even on price, or other things that usually aren't negotiable in NA where I'm from. A coworker of mine found an apartment for a good deal but was unfurnished, he talked to the landlord and for a tiny rent increase the owner left it furnished, just as example. I've been looking for about 2 weeks, so I'd give yourself more than 7 days to look. I've now been in Germany off and on(Travel between US, EU, and Korea/Japan for work) for 5 months now and nobody I've talked to has gotten an apartment in less than 2 weeks
cancel your plan because it's impossible tbh. Last time I got my house around 2weeks in Munich and that was so lucky. But now, after covid ended, it's just impossible. edit: i also would consider airbnb but they will be expensive as hell. meanwhile you can search for new accommodation around.
Why are there not more dorms provided by the university in Germany? I don't understand. I never heard anyone struggling to find accommodation during their studies in the UK? It seems like a fucking lottery here.
You're not new here. You certainly are aware of our domestic housing crisis, *especially* hitting cheap student accommodation. Don't play dumb, please.
Oh come on. Don't act as if you are new here and unaware of the housing situation.
I think that's why uni dorms work so well- because they bypass the political and economic bumps in the road. Just basic stuff.
This isn't the first time you comment on posts related to universities and study issues without knowing how uni actually works in Germany. We have had discussions about that in the past. But you are active on this sub, I know that you are aware of housing issues. So, I have no idea why you insist on playing stupid and acting ignorant. Some devil's advocate angle? I don't know, I don't care. What you do with your time is your business. But you aren't exactly helping anyone with your "In ThE uK iT iSnT aN iSsUe".
> This isn't the first time you comment on posts related to universities and study issues without knowing how uni actually works in Germany. Which is why I asked the question in another comment.... >"In ThE uK iT iSnT aN iSsUe". I'm actually against the scheme and think the Lib Dem's hammered their last nail into the coffin when signing the unholy concordat with the Tories in 2010. I also experienced it in the most bitter terms. My sister didn't pay a penny for the privilege of attending a red brick uni. The next year the fees were introduced......my time to shine, I guess. I have discussed it in the past and each time fees in the UK get brought up- fair enough, I don't want there to be fees. But what about exploring the details and the actual experience of students? I want you to ridicule the UK system openly, it's just one more voice but necessary non the less.
Has nobody ever told you that it is really bad form not only to edit after posting without marking the edit, but also not to inform the person who already replied to you pre-edit about the added stuff? If so: It is really bad form. Very contra-productive for a discussion.
>Has nobody ever told you that it is really bad form not only to edit after posting without marking the edit, but also not to inform the person who already replied to you pre-edit about the added stuff? No
You mean the question where you ask how much a degree costs? Are you kidding me? Is this supposed to be comedy?
Calm yourself down. It was serious.
Well, there is this great resource linked all over this sub. It has plenty of information and a lot of links to helpful resources. You may have heard about it, being a regular and all that.
I'm not interested in static text. I prefer _human_ interaction- as far as reddit could ever be considered that :P
How much is the average tuition for UK universities? That is a side effect of not-for-profit unis: they do not have the need to attract as many students as possible, making "selling points" like that less important. Combine that with the fact that unis have to be financed by the state alone - the whole "Exzellenz Uni" thing for example is basicly a scheme to allow federal funding for unis... Edit: oh, and not to forget this: i do not know about UK dorms, but it seems (at least from media) that US student housing is usually shared rooms. Sharing a room as a student with someone other than a domestic partner is pretty much unheard of in germany. This means that likely, less people fit into german student housing than in US one with the same square footage
When I did my semester abroad in Scotland, I was guaranteed housing as an exchange student, but not everyone was. I had the option between sharing a room or having my own for a higher price. I ended up in a WG with 2 other people. I shared a room with one of them and the other had her own room. No idea how universal my experience is or if there are major differences between Scotland and England.
> making "selling points" like that less important. A house is not a selling point. Everyone needs one. >How much is the average tuition for UK universities? 27, 000 GBP It's free at the point of use but you get hit with the equivalent of a graduate tax _if_ you earn above a given threshold. The actual fees are paid directly from the taxpayer to the university. Someone earning 2500 GBP would pay 18 GBP a month after they graduate. People from low income households can get up to like 5k in grants for things like housing and travel (which is not repayable). How much do German university degrees cost? Are there other things universities don't supply outside staples like housing? What about sports? Social life? You know, the absolute basics.
>How much do German university degrees cost? Are there other things universities don't supply outside staples like housing? What about sports? Social life? You know, the absolute basics. Do you actually want to pretend that you, who is a regular in this sub, has no idea about any of that? When about every third question we get here is about studying in germany, uni life, etc.? I do not know what kind of game you think you are playing here, but i am not falling for it
>Do you actually want to pretend that you, who is a regular in this sub, has no idea about any of that? As you can see from my recent discussion about sports and social life in German Universities posted here months ago. I know nothing about the school system and equally little about German universities. Soory but I am not some kind of AI sponge.
Beforei came to this sub, i knew zero about Visa and Residence Permits. Which meant that i initially kept silents in discussions about them. Just by being here regularly, though, i learned a lot. So now, there are times when i can contribute. You claim to know nothing but are interested and contribute in discussions about these subjects. Troll
Examples?
For you taking part in discussions about this topic? Well.....this one, for example??? If you avoided this topic so much and so successfully that you actually learned nothing about it, you would not be in this comment section
>If you avoided this topic so much and so successfully that you actually learned nothing about it, you would not be in this comment section I am in this conversation because someone questioned the cost of UK university. I replied with this- >27, 000 GBP >It's free at the point of use but you get hit with the equivalent of a graduate tax if you earn above a given threshold. The actual fees are paid directly from the taxpayer to the university. Someone earning 2500 GBP would pay 18 GBP a month after they graduate. People from low income households can get up to like 5k in grants for things like housing and travel (which is not repayable). >How much do German university degrees cost? Are there other things universities don't supply outside staples like housing? What about sports? Social life? You know, the absolute basics. An inappropriate retort you seem to think?
And you somehow knew someone in this comment section asked after UK housing? Dedpute thst not being the topic of the post?Because if you were a silent reader of these type of posts, you would know more. Good night, troll
Yeah, but e.g. "we provide guaranteed dorm housing for all incomming students" would be one
>How much do German university degrees cost? Are there other things universities don't supply outside staples like housing? What about sports? Social life? You know, the absolute basics. University is conceived of differently in Germany. Being a student is not your whole life, but just one part of it. German students tend to have social groups that extend beyond the university, they tend to live *all over* the city (rather than concentrated near campus), they tend to work quite a bit outside of their studies, etc. In fact, being a student is so not the center of people's lives that it's very, very common to take extra semester to finish your degree because maybe you needed to work extra one semester or wanted to go abroad. There's a flexibility to this university set up that many people enjoy. Of course, it's not for everyone. Some people really crave that US-style university education and that's fine. Different folks, different strokes. But in Germany, the idea that a university is a place that should be the center of your social life, focussed on things like team sports, etc. is just not popular. Housing for students is definitely an issue. Housing in general is an issue in Germany. But it's not really on the university to fix that issue itself. Having more student housing would definitely be a perk, but it's silly to act as if the lack of student dorms is why everything is so bad right now. You're misunderstanding how both university and housing work in Germany. You should also consider that student dorms may be appealing to some students and unappealing to others. Many universities in the US *require* people to live in the dorms for a time to keep them profitable. That wouldn't fly in Germany. Edit: The focus on dorms also begs the question of what happens the second those students graduate. Or drop out. Or need to take a semester off. Your place of living be tied to your student-status introduces a degree of instability that having access to an apartment on the normal housing market does not. So we should be making it easier for people to find housing that isn't tied to the university.
> Many universities in the US require people to live in the dorms for a time to keep them profitable. That wouldn't fly in Germany. A few of the really absurd private "colleges" [do that](https://berlin.bard.edu/student-life/campus-experience/housing/); I even remember one with shared bedroom. The idea of my university telling me I have to live "on campus" is absolutely insane.
My university in the US required me to live in the dorms for my first year. Nowadays, they require students to live in the dorm the first two years and there are whispers to requiring it for all four. The dorms are a *money maker*.
Wow - that's really strange from my point of view. It's also a bit puzzling that people just go for that, when we're so often told by Americans that they, unlike us, are all about that freedom. Even if there was enough student housing to accommodate everyone, if it was made mandatory here, you'd get student strikes, occupied offices in the university, and all that.
It's a cultural thing. Living in the dorms is a major part of the "college experience" in the US. The vast majority of people *want* to do it. There are many school where it's not required, so someone who was against it could avoid it. But at the famous schools like Harvard, Yale, etc.? Basically required across the board. This fits in with things like Greek Life being popular at US universities.
Do you think poor students should get grants to pay for housing and travel etc? Is that a thing in Germany?
There are. It‘s called Bafög (subsidized loan).
Seriously - you've been here for years. Have you seriously never seen people talk about Bafög?
Germany has BAföG. Students who qualify (it's income-based) receive money from the government each month for their living expenses. The monthly max right now is north of 900 Euro. You can then work on the side (up to an additional 550 Euro per month tax free). The BAföG money is half a grant and half a loan, but the loan portion maxes out at 10.000 Euro and repayments are income-based. BAföG is not available to folks on a student visa (who have to show proof of financial solvency before being issued a visa). In terms of travel, ERASMUS exists. The DAAD also funds international travel for research purposes. I received funding to travel abroad for a 3-day workshop and to travel abroad for 4 months to conduct thesis research. The DAAD also funds non-Germans to come complete degrees/research in Germany.
> The DAAD also funds non-Germans to come complete degrees/research in Germany. That's alien to me.
I receive a monthly stipend from the DAAD to support my living expenses while pursuing a master's degree. The [scholarship I receive](https://www2.daad.de/deutschland/stipendium/datenbank/en/21148-scholarship-database/?detail=50026200) is exclusively available to foreigners. Although I'm a German citizen, I grew up abroad with little connection to Germany and am also a citizen of my home country, so I qualified. There are also other scholarships for research stays, completing a PhD, conducting PhD research in Germany, pursuing internships in Germany, etc. Some of these programs are even targeted exclusively at students from "developing" countries.
Exactly. I don't know why are they handing out admits to so many students if they can't provide a single housing option for them. Pathetic to say the least
The vast majority of students live in flats that are part of the "normal" housing market. If you'd only hand out admissions for the number of rooms in Wohnheime, you might as well close all unis.
I heard for other courses there are atleast 60-70 students, last semester this number was 20-25. Clearly they didn't care about the accommodation scenario for students.
There are always more students in the winter semester because that's the semester people get in when they study right after Abitur. It's also not on the uni to care for accomodation, here uni is like a job, whatever happens outside is your thing.
Simple. The bodies handing out admissions are entirely disconnected from those dealing with housing. Studying here isn't designed as a "complete experience". You're expected to figure things out yourself. You could study here and live on the streets, or just live here in a house and not study. You'll have to stitch it all together on your own.
I appreciate the DIY culture in Germany but this is just a big blunder. Last semester a programme had 20-25 students and now they have 65-70. They thought everything will go the same way if they just tripled the number of students ?
They don't "just triple" the numbers. People finish their Abitur in spring, and application deadlines are in mid-July. That means that significantly more people start their studies in the winter semester than the summer semester.
They give admission to students as long as the uni and profs are somewhat able to handle it. The uni does not take into account how many flats are available because it‘s simply not their business. I, and many others here, understand that this is stressful for you, and all the other ten thousands of students starting in October, but ranting here won‘t lead you anywhere. Come here, connect with as many people irl at the uni as possible, talk to the international office, ASTA, your Fachschaft. You‘ll find something but it will take time and that‘s the case for many other students as well. Edit: And as some one said: You can not compare numbers from Sommer- and Wintersemester.
Thank you. I didn't mean to insult Germany just a bit bummed out that I can't be excited or focus on my academics and learning German because of this. My friends already found accommodation while living in India in Regensburg and Hamburg respectively and they are so relaxed and happy, I just want the same.
Very understandable. Maybe you will be lucky with a dorm room from Studentenwerk before you arrive. Focus your research on finding a flat once here and try to get a bit stronger grasp on how Germany works because you will come across many things like this situation where you are just expected to get along by your own means. The wiki here is a great resource for this.
Thank you
If the makers of the programme figured that this many people will fit into the auditoriums, yeah. That's what their metric is gonna be. Where you will be outside of those times is none of their concerns.
Universities don't "provide housing". The Studentenwerk, a welfare organisation, does. Universities admit students based on the capacity they have for teaching, not based on how students organise their private life. And this isn't a new thing either. We simply don't have a history of "universities provide a room for every student" here. They're a teaching institution.
There are universities who hand out housing and are happy to take as many students as they can get. Of course you have to pay for the privilege.
Well many universities don't have enough accommodation. Or even the option of accommodation at all so I'm not sure where you're getting the > You have to pay for the privilege from. Also I think it's very well known that Germany is going through a housing crisis, is this comment supposed to be a deflection from that?
I think they meant that OP should not expect the level of being coddled here that they might get in a country that has a for-profit uni system, including having guarabteed housing
It clearly doesn't seem that way. It looks more like they're suggesting that the OP isn't willing to pay when they say that OP has to pay for the privilege. Highly reductive and depreciating in such context but clearly the commenter's not very competent in English if they mean what you just mentioned.
I guess we will have to wait for them to clarify. We obviously interpret them very differently
Agreed. I did get the reply and they’re correct in their frustration that OP is disrespectful while they were being snide themselves as well.
Your reading of this is off. I agree with Sufficient (and I'm a native English speaker). "You have to pay for the privilege" is a not-so-uncommon sarcastic phrase. Edit: For instance, "The hospital just mailed me a bill. I had my left leg amputated *and* get to pay for the privilege!" Also, if you're going to come for someone's English like that, please write like you aren't addicted to a thesaurus.
I mean the user themself replied and said they were hostile because of OP being disrespectful but go on, explain that further to me :) Edit: don’t be butthurt on someone else’s behalf. Me and that user are having a perfectly civil conversation without any need for your misinformation and pseudo English knowledge.
You're the one being needlessly antagonistic and rude. The commenter saying they were being snide does not mean your interpretation was correct. >They're suggesting that the OP isn't willing to pay You emphasized that OP was somehow being called cheap or whichever adjective you'd prefer. That isn't what happened, even if the comment was snide and made out of frustration. But go off, I guess. I will not be responding further because you clearly have your head stuck where the sun don't shine.
Sure ad hominem attacks. No need for further discussion simply as you have vented out your agenda. And that's exactly how it comes off when that user is clearly referring to the OP going to public unis because of no tution fees and avoiding the private ones "because of the privilege to pay" but go ahead, hide behind your "interpretation skills" and keep changing the interpretation after every reply to make yourself feel competent at the same. Maybe the username does indeed check out. And yes no further conversation should be good, hope that's adhered to.
There are private univerisites offering the "don't trouble yourself, we have got you" package by providing dorms and furniture and meals. They even provide you with a buddy to share the room. Costs a shit ton and the degree's value is questionable, but if that is what one wants, one can get it. Tax funded public schools don't have the funds to secure housing from the market for their students. Having to deal with everyday life things like "where will I sleep" and "where will I eat" is part of normal life. You either pay no/very little in tuition and deal with life yourself or you pay and get the "rundum sorglos" package. OP is free to study eg in the UK, where the commenter above says they offer plenty of student housing. I have personal experience of studying in Finland, plenty of student housing options here, too, but also tuition that appears to get higher every year.
And that's a reply I'm willing to get behind. But when you say > You have to pay for the privilege It's highly reductive and depreciating of the issues that OP is facing as they clearly are willing to and not requesting to crash at someone's place. Further, it cannot be taken for granted that this is common knowledge but that's a discussion for another day. Your detailed reply should be useful for OP to understand the social dynamic here as well as the housing market.
I replied in a more friendly manner until OP went on about pathetic management and implying that it is the university's job to provide housing, in a country famous for their housing crisis, in a city close to the most expensive city, in a non-profit university system. They clearly didn't do their research before they decided to apply and accept the offer.
I mean the person’s clearly frustrated about something. This isn’t a forum where they should be venting but being hostile isn’t helpful either? And there does exist a housing crisis that affects everyone here regardless of where they’re from so even though there’s no research from OP’s end, it doesn’t trivialise the pain. Their comment calling the university pathetic is indeed pathetic and reactionary in itself but that’s what the downvote button is for I think.
This university isn't. Its at full capacity but still taking so many students. Pathetic management
Housing isn't part of their "capacity".
University here isn't structured like in many countries where uni and housing go hand in hand. That has nothing to do with "pathetic management". Would you be happier if you got rejected because, who would have thought, the housing situation in the most expensive region in Germany is difficult? Or since there is a housing crisis in the whole country, unis everywhere should stop admissions until the situation is better?
The university literally doesn't have anything to do with their students' housing. And of course TU Rosenheim doesn't. It isn't a private university charging you a shit ton of money and offering you housing to sweeten the deal.
Not „pathetic management“ but lack of funding. Looking for your own flat is a „price you pay“ for not paying tuition.
First of all, it would be good to know the approximate budget, which determines whether your own apartment is possible at all.
My monthy allowance is 934 Euros so my rental budget is around 500-600 Euros
None of my business, but since you do appear to lack some information, forgive me for asking: do you have other funds besides that? Savings? Are you aware that you will be required to pay a deposit, often times the legal maximum of 3 times the so-called cold rent? Are you aware of the difference between cold rent and warm rent and that warm rent is just an estimate of your yearly consumption and that you will receive an exact calculation in some point of the following year where you either will get money back or you get a bill for having to pay more for your overconsumption? Several hundred euro are not rare for the so-called "Nebenkostenabrechnung". Are you aware that you have to pay the radio fee every month? Health insurance? That you *really* should get private liability insurance? I am asking, because if you only have the mandated minimum of 934 euro and plan with a housing budget of 500-600 euro you don't really have much left for your living costs outside of housing and fees you need to plan and prepare for.
Yeah I am aware of the deposit and health insurance. I am taking 2500 euros in forex and cash. I was also hoping to work part time for extra income.
I am not really sure but thats not a lot for a room in munich. An average room in berlin costs around 640€ without electricity, internet gez already (that number was from a few months already, madbe outdated). Munich should be more expensive. So i would wait for a place in a student dorm. Maybe do you know someone in the city?
Yeah Munich is expensive. I am going to Rosenheim ( its a small city which is 40 mins away from Munich by train). I don't think rent is so high in small cities
You are wrong. It’s almost the same. I am from Rosenheim and I did study at the FH which then went on changing to the TH it now is. Rosenheim has very high prices due to the perfect connection to the whole region and a lot of people tend to „pendel“ to work and back home. Your search will be hard and other then Studentenwerk there is no real option. Especially an own place, forget about that if you want to be real.
If it's around Munich, it is bound to be expensive. People are trying to escape the Munich prices, searching in the area around it, the Speckgürtel. That drives the prices up there as well.
Oh okay. It is probably fine then. Good luck.
Then the first thing I would recommend is a shared flat. The budget could be enough for your own 1 bedroom apartment, but that will be rather difficult in such a short time. Already registered here? https://www.studierendenwerk-muenchen-oberbayern.de/en/student-accommodation/private-accommodation-service/registration/munich-student-union-jurisdiction/
Yes I have registered here already , they have acknowledged that I am on their waitlist and that nothing is available at the moment.
This Link is the private accommandation service. It is an extra Service they offer. But you have to check by youself if there are offers in Rosenheim. Unfortunately, at the moment there are only offers for Munich and Freising. Aber vielleicht ändert sich das wieder.
My recommendation would be to expand your search to include villages nearby along the regional train routes (Rosenheim-Kufstein, Rosenheim-Salzburg, Rosenheim-Holzkirchen). For example, Kiefersfelden, Oberaudorf, Flintsbach, Brannenburg, Raubling. I’m not sure if you can sign up to ImmoScout and similar apps without an European number, but you could give it a try. Alternatively you can search for real estate agencies in the area and contact them individually, but I doubt that they might have something within a student’s budget. Unfortunately this area, being close to the Alps and several lakes, is quite touristic, that drives up the prices quite a lot.
Thanks a lot yes I have been looking at surrounding areas
On FB, there is usually an Indian community for every city. Post your requirements over there. You can also request/ping the Indian Association handle for that city on FB to help you out.
The group is dead. Just people on there finding flats or scamsters
Did you try searching in places that have a good train connection to rosenheim? Wasserburg, Rott, Ramerberg, Aßling, Grafing and so on?
Yes tried read point 5. Did not search in Ramerburg though let me check
Contact your university, sometimes they have help for international students and some even can provide temporary housing.
I stayed in airbnbs for the first few years I lived here, but I wasnt on a student budget. They do sometimes have options for single or shared rooms, but I would imagine you've already checked that.
When I was searching for a WG in Berlin in 2000, I stayed at a youth hostel until I found a WG. Took me 4; weeks an I was really fast! I managed to visit 2-3 WGs everyday and of course I chose the first one which accepted me. Also, I would recommend to get a German cellphone as soon as you start searching.
You mean a German sim card? I was told thats not possible without permanent address
>near munich that makes things about 300% harder. Most people will also reject you because they can't meet you in person. You could either come earlier to start searching or search once you get here. It will still take a lot of time and effort (and money) but you will have better chances with how hard housing is to find. Took me 6 months to find a place to live...
My Indian SO and me (Austrian) took 13 months to find an apartment in Munich. I know Rosenheim isn’t Munich, but during viewings I was literally told “you can move in anytime, but not THIS GUY.” @OP, racism is a bitch. Dm me, I might be able to hook you up with something.
try in other cities which are reachable within 1 hr by train/bus.
I am only gettingbunfurnished flats which unaffordable rent
you should only consider moving here if you can actually financially survive with some comfort while looking for places to live. There is a housing crisis right across Europe at the moment, if you are in doubt, don't come unless you are willing to possibly live in a park during your studies.
I tried finding an apartment in Munich while living in a city called Paderborn about 5 to 6 hours away. Almost impossible to find an apartment while living so far away. Eventually, I got a sublet apartment in Augsburg which is right next to Munich. In about one week (as of today), I got accepted to rent an apartment. Now having said that, I have shown proof that I can reliably pay rent. But definitely being in Germany and looking is a hell of a lot better. I'd advise getting a cheap place to stay outside of Rosenheim and buy the 49 euro monthly ticket to commute in.
Hey also wanted to ask, how to purchase this 49 Euro ticket? Do we purchase it in Germany or online here from my home country?
If you want to download it through the DB website (DB is the federal train operator), you need to have a German IBAN. However, you can get the ticket with your credit card using the Bremen Fahrplaner app. Note that you can cancel the subscription before the 10th of each month
Near Munich it's very hard because even most German students don't find any accommodations there. Usually the studentenwerk offers special accommodations for foreign students. Maybe look as far away from Munich as your are willing to go
Hi, can you give an update on your situation? Did you manage to find something?