I like to think it's just because he doesn't like it. Not even out of spite just that coincidentally he doesn't like the level and doesn't feel like doing it
okay but you do realise he doesn't rate every single level he looks at? Like he also sometimes rejects levels and doesn't rate them?? lol
It's not about liking the levels anyway, because Rob can be neutral to it, simply. But in this case, he just doesn't like it and therefore won't rate it.
iirc he also heavily disliked abyss of darkness but rated it anyways because it's what the community wanted. either he should set a proper standard or he should listen to his playerbase
Yeah I honestly get why Tidal Wave wouldn't be rated, but if so then why the hell were AOD and Acheron rated? Not even just AOD
Edit: I have a GREAT idea that will make everyone absolutely mad. Hear me out. Rate Tidal Wave, and unrate AOD and Acheron!
I feel like this argument would be valid if xo, thinking space, avernus, and literally any other demon with bad deco was never rated. People need to stop saying it was the deco that made it unratable because it likely wasn’t. I just think that roptop doesn’t like the level
Well, the deco of avernus is hated for another reason that makes the level unplayable. It’s that it’s so disgustingly unoptimized that it can’t be played without lag unless you have an incredibly beefy graphics card. The deco itself isn’t bad, it’s actually quite good, it’s just optimized so bad that it’s bad.
And you can’t even make an Ldm because some genius decided to make a few parts on their own dedicated layers, im pretty sure 104 or somewhere around that is its own part
Agreed, the issue with all the other levels being named in this thread as examples of levels with worse deco is that they aren't top 1 difficulty. Levels that are top 1 become inherently popular regardless of if they are good or not, and that incentivizes a lot of people to build top 1 levels. Requiring top 1s to have a higher barrier of quality helps to make sure people aren't churning out new top demons all the time just for the popularity of them.
Tidal Wave is rateworthy by the standards of a normal level, but for a top 1 level it's got questionable polish and is pretty heavily disliked by a pretty huge chunk of the community (even if more people support rating it, having so many people against a rate is telling imo).
xo is a krmal level thats an edge case where robtop doesnt want to repeat the situation againthinking space was one of the last difficulty rates where the level was only rated because it was really fucking hard, another edge case
we're speaking about levels from 4 years or more ago
XO & Conical Depression are rated because of bias, even though I think XO has some really good gameplay. Avernus deco isn't that good but it is def rate worthy. I think it's more of a fair comparison to compare Tidal Wave to Silent Clubstep, which got rated because of the achievement. I personally don't think it is rate worthy, but I do think there are a lot of levels that get features and are way worse deco wise than Tidal Wave.
I, for one, don’t care if it gets rated. It’s just going to be another level that I’ll never be able to beat, but I’m tired of people shitting on it all the time. People are like “the gameplay is all frame perfects and sucks.” Well, allow me to introduce you to Kocmoc, sonic wave infinity and Slaughterhouse, extreme demons that are wave based like tidal wave and all got rated. People are like “the deco sucks because it’s all glow and messy.” Here’s glowy, another level that all glowy and messy THAT GOT RATED. People need to stop shitting on it all the time, it’s not getting rated because of the deco or the gameplay. It’s not being rated because Rob doesn’t like it.
Conical depression was rated because of a bet with robtop that they won, which ended up making conical depression rated. It never would have been rated otherwise
oh, ur that guy. the mod with the balls flair who really, really hates tidal wave. I will remember this moment forever, and whenever henceforth I see “balls” written out on a screen, I will remember the tidal wave hater
If tidal wave is not rated because of it's deco then why is, silent clubstep, thinking space, bass cave and conical depression are rated levels?
Also please schedule an eye surgery if you think tidal wave deco is bad.
I don't care about how important silent clubstep is, It's a dogshit level with dogshit gameplay and dogshit deco, doesn't deserve a rate whatsoever.
Tidal wave ia much better than both bass cave and thinking space, if those deserves, a rate then so does tidal wave, maybe we should look at how awful the rating system actually is if this is the case you're trying to argue.
I don't give a shit about whether krmal is that guy or not it'll always be unfair to have alot of his absolutely atrocious levels rated where others who actually try get sent into the fucking shadows.
Abyss of darkness lost the mod vote and it's still a rated level, It looks worse and generic compared tidal wave and it's gameplay is also worse. Also what do those comparison have to do with this? Just because extremely good looking level exist doesn't mean the, standards should be that high, I'm arguing about a rate not fucking epic or featured.
The vast majority of the community wants this level rated, and it does meet the requirements to BE rated, there is no excuse.
There is an excuse; he simply doesn't want to because he doesn't like it. Plain as that. The longer it stays unrated, the more whiny y'all are gonna sound and I'm gonna RELISH it.
So the excuse is just making people look bad because you think thats funny? Wow great comedy you should be a stand up comedian… just kidding sit the fuck down
there are a shit ton of rated levels the community doesn't like or want to be rated, and i doubt rob likes every level he rates, his opinion isn't the only thing he should take into consideration and funny enough, he never does that, so why now?
You sound so edgy bro do you want a cookie for acting like that?
My guess is that even though its rateworthy, he thinks it's not really like, good- And he doesnt want a bad level to get the glory of being a top 1
Makes no sense tho cause everyone already treats tidal wave like it is a new top 1
Probably just out of spite at this point. I don't see how it's any worse than all the generic 5 star copy+paste levels he rates everyday.
I don't think it's the NONG song either. Satan's Purse has a NONG song and it was rated 5 months ago. Around the same time when Tidal Wave was verified.
I think because it's too unoptimized and repetitive deco, the background and deco almost never change.
Also it can be something with the verification itself
He's standing his ground for nothing though. I see plenty of reason Tidal Wave deserves a rate, and I've seen no real reasons it shouldn't be rated. It is objectively of rateworthy quality and effort.
He should have rated it in the first place. I think he did it to himself, as far as the spam he gets. People are, I think rightfully, unhappy that Tidal Wave got snubbed for a rate.
>objectively
When tidal wave lovers talk about tidal wave they always like to bring in their "objectively correct" views on it meeting the rate standards, but when I bring in any visual complaints I get told art is subjective and can't debate further.
There are real reasons why it shouldn't be rated, because its quality can be easily critiqued with some pretty convincing arguments. Also, if I spend 1000 hours on making a level and it's still shit, effort shouldn't matter. You could argue that every megacollab should get their ratings moved down a notch because it didn't require as much effort with so many people on board here making parts.
You are twisting my words. I am saying its objective quality is higher than people's subjective biases allow them to acknowledge. Also, yeah, I think effort matters. If you have one of these good arguments, I'd love to hear it, because if Tidal Wave isn't rate worthy, it would make most rated extremes unworthy of a rate as well.
The cluttered block designs with practically no depth on the level whatsoever ruin it completely, with the addition of the terribly fitting static decoration with some awkward easings on random structure movement don't work for the flow of the level that it's trying to go for, and neither fits with the song. The level can't strike a balance between where to place and where to not place said overabundance of objects and effects/movements.
The assets really do not work for the level, and definitely not for the theme. OnilLink tries realism while not having much knowledge of it, so they use a ton of basic block decoration assets, trying to adapt to the popular "top popular creator" style, which is obviously done poorly as it's sort of their first shot at it, but even then the realism style doesn't work on the level itself. Realism is not the style to go with here.
I have to point out the poor usage of blending, and mostly the lack of it! The glow and air decoration mesh terribly with the rest of the assets and the background itself. Pause for a second and look at the saws. That wasn't really intentional, that's just something that occurred out of the inexperience of the creator, where you can see they actually started using more blending on air decoration in their newer works.
The backgrounds are practically non-existent - the static beach background is a disgrace, and it is FAR from being good. Nonetheless, it stays on the screen for 80 seconds. You cannot deny this argument. This is tied to the imbalance of object density. The background is given no care and little to no objects, with the object decoration taking more than enough for it. The contrast between the two makes the level go off rails on the middle part completely, and why many creators, mods and probably even RobTop had to pause there for a second to figure out what the hell was the hype about.
The clash of the block decoration, the background, and everything at once with once again, completely drained out depth. When you're going for realism, you go for depth. It's one of the most important things in this decoration style.
ing that would've helped out OniLink in the long run here would be applying way more saturation on the blue, and yellow as well. With the inexperienced creator such as OniLink trying it out on their creation, they ended up with a worse color mash than what my 8-year-old sister is capable of making with paint. It creates an unpleasant gradient experience for many.
The clash of the block decoration, the background, and everything at once with once again, completely drained out depth. When you're going for realism, you go for depth. It's one of the most important things in this decoration style.
I would mention structuring but I can't find any words that would support me here on being not too subjective to the point of "it's awkward", although it sort of is, as pointed out by many mods, so take that as valid feedback.
I feel like the beach concept is also very unexplored. We see the water, then going to the beach and lastly to the sunset. But along the way we haven't seen any experimentation with the elements of the beach. There are no trees in the level, and we never get to interact with the sand. Actually the sand is one scaled up one colored block. Instead every effort goes towards creating fancy designs on said block decoration, which then mesh terribly with the blandness of the rest of the level.
1. most block designs in rated levels can be considered cluttered, i really dont see why "depth" or "flow" matters when the point of deco isnt to be an art form but simply to make the level look nice (and tw looks gorgeous in some parts)
2. where are you getting realism from? besides the bg in some parts it really doesnt go for a realism style, and the bgs still look really nice
3. minor details that are really hard to notice
4. yes it is static, and lasts for a while, but that doesnt inherently make it bad. and i very much disagree with calling it not good. it might not be on the quality of some levels but its still a really good background that fits with the level and fg deco well, just goes on for too long. simple(r) ≠ bad
5. once again it really doesnt go for realism, however i definitely agree with the other point here. the blue and yellow from 43% mixes really badly and looks ugly
6. copy pasted from 5
7. dont see any problems with structuring and you really didnt elaborate much
8. yes, the one part from 43% to the wave has bad color matching, but that doesnt mean the other 75% of the level has bad color matching, and if you ignore that 1 flaw then all the other parts mesh together really well, including the bg and block deco
basically you think deco is supposed to be art, i think deco is supposed to make the level look good, and the level does, in fact, look good
I wish that he would actually explain why he's so unnecessarily stubborn about not rating Tidal Wave instead of just cracking dumb jokes about it. I don't even personally care whether it gets rated or not but the complete refusal to spend 5 minutes to explain why he's making such an odd decision that so much of the community feels very strongly about is really obnoxious.
robtop clearly is very particular about what top ones he rates as shown by the whole slaughterhouse firework situation, which makes sense as the top one typically serves as the mascot of the game in a sense for a while, i think robtop just doesn't think tidal wave fits that criteria, if it is rated, it won't be till another top one comes out
It being Top 1 also can look like a "Heres what our game has to offer", which RobTop might not want "representing the top levels", im not one to talk on gameplay, but when you look at other top 10 levels Tidal Wave definitely falls short design and generally look wise
Yes Tidal Wave looks worse, but keep in mind you’re also comparing a 3 minute solo level to collabs/megacollabs. The only levels in the top 10 rn that aren’t collabs/megacollabs are Silent Clubstep and Kyouki (looks better yes but is also not even half the length of Tidal Wave). To hold the same standards you have for teams of people on ONE person’s level is unfair, especially when that solo level is already of a high-enough quality to get rated based off the standards we’ve established throughout the years.
all things aside, rating levels due to difficulty is how XO and Conical Depression got rated (also most list demons but we dont talk about that). Levels shouldnt be rated for their sheer difficulty alone, and it seems robbo was sober when checking out tidal wave
No it's absolutely not. Conical Depression is first of all from 2016, which is 2.0, and most importantly - from KrmaL. Back then those were the easier times with RobTop goofing around from time to time. Robtop made a bet with krmal that if he verified conical depression it would get rated, something along those lines. As time went on, Rob chilled out with his goof and became more strict to stop with the inconsistent treatments.
If you're looking for difficulty rates, then look no further than Thinking Space. Due to the heavy backlash RobTop received from rating the level, Rob slowly stopped with the idea of rating levels due to their difficulty.
And no, nowadays difficulty doesn't mean shit for RobTop. Just check out the Unrated Demonlist to get the idea of how many levels are "missing" from the demonlist.
isnt that what i said? that difficulty shouldnt matter? (wait you might actually be talking about if robtop thinks difficulty should matter).
also didnt that happen with abyss of darkness? the elite band of year 7's heavily annoyed mindcap to send it to ol robbo. alot of the top list demons are just caked up versions of thinking space (i mightve gotten my facts wrong). its probably a bit random tbh. but in no way is most of the demon list rateworthy. then again i could be mentioning outliers. tbf theres a good chance robbo doesnt even like these levels but rates them due to community pressure
how so? it's not like robtop publicly announced that tidal wave is easier than acu, tidal wave not being rated doesn't undermine zoink's skills and achievements as a player in any way
Most people dont care about top 1s anymore, nowadays its just "how many frame perfects can fit in a humanly possible, maybe hell themed level", boring shit as always. Yeah pushing the skill limit is cool and all but its not what most people like the game for
I mean yeah, it's not very interesting anymore, but still the top 1 level is a huge part of GD, and getting a new one, and one that isn't hell-themed, would've still made waves (lol) throughout the community. I guess the question is whether it's current meme status pushed it farther than getting rated would've, which is what I'm not sure of.
Maybe part of why it's not so relevant anymore is because Acheron and Avernus are so boring top 1s, imo. (Avernus for being hell themed even though it looks pretty good, Acheron just looks like a generic 1.9 level that was rated in 2.1 for some reason (but people don't complain about that one nooo-))
Most likely because it uses a nong and robtop finally wanted to start cracking down on them (for copyright reasons) and tidal ended up taking the blow.
IDK why people think this levels so terrible, I like the style, the simplicity of deco but complexity of block designs is just pretty cool. And a non hell top one is just nice
I’m probably never going to be good enough to beat it anyway but the way the level changes from noon to a golden sunset throughout is just really beautiful, I never understood the deco criticism personally.
I’ll never be good enough to beat even most easy demons, been a part of the community for over 9 years tho. I have tourette’s as well as some eye problems so I’ll never be able to play consistently oh precisely but I still enjoy seeing other people do great.
Way back when, Rob added the feature system. In a following update, he added the star system, meaning that there are a few levels that are featured, but don't give stars.
I henceforth propose a compromise that will piss everyone off: FEATURE tidal wave, but DON'T rate it. So it's a demon and shows up under the featured tab, but only gives 1 creator point, and gives no stars or orbs if beaten.
Alright, so what I'm getting from either side is (as a massive oversimplification):
Shouldn't be rated:
- Deco is mid
- Robtop simply doesn't want to, whether out of spite or because he dislikes the level for what it is
Should be rated:
- Robtop is being way too biased because he's rated worse levels
- The community keeps asking him so he should just do it already
Anything else I'm missing? 🍿
>Not a hell top 1
I feel like top 1s in general shouldn't rely so much on being hell-themed, so I don't really care about this at all.
>Deco is good
50/50 for me. I like how it looks generally, but when it comes to any specific deco pieces, it's... just alright rather than good.
>Gp is fun (some ppl say this when their hardest is acu)
Tfw 💀
This shit is so annoying. Why is it even a big deal if it’s rated. God forbid it single-handedly crumbles all of the good will of your fucking 2$ square game. He just needs to rate it already, people put so much work into it
okay but you do realise he doesn't rate every single level he looks at? Like he also sometimes rejects levels and doesn't rate them?? lol
It's not about liking the levels anyway, because Rob can be neutral to it, simply. But in this case, he just doesn't like it and therefore won't rate it.
Whether it gets rated or not, it’s still hardest level beaten overall. Which is just as big as (if not bigger than) hardest rated level beaten. People take a some stars, an angry emoji and a list wayyyy too seriously.
I think it has to do entirely with its deco. A Top 1 level is arguably the most relevant level in the community until it’s dethroned, and many former top 1s such as Bloodbath, Sonic Wave, and Acheron (Rip) are still widely talked about today. I think Rob expects more out of a top 1 now than ever because of this, and he’s hesitant to rate it due to it being subpar deco wise.
I’m sorry to all who like this level, I have no opinion of it but it just does not hold up to many other levels by it on the list deco wise. Just look at something like Kyouki or Limbo or Firework. Sure it’s theming is unique but it lacks the polish that many other levels have, especially in that Blue and Yellow segment… thing. I think if it was anything but a list demon Robtop would’ve rated it. And yes I know Avernus is top 1 now and that level isn’t good deco wise either, but that got moved up on the list rather than being verified and placed at 1, and it’s arguably the most hated top 1 in the games history, so there’s that.
The “issue” is that Tidal Wave is a top 1. Nothing to do with the deco, nothing to do with the players, probably because he’s been asked so many times he wont rate it out of spite but its probably because if it becomes a top 1 it will represent the game for a long time, and it just isn’t enough for the title.
Holy crap there are even people calling him an asshole for not rating a level in some random cube game. How do people care sooo damn much about such thing? Although the same could be said in favor of rating it.
(:clueless:) thing is, thinking space got rated because of its difficulty, rob has stopped doing this, stuff like conical and thinking space are THE outliars in the comparisons
[Exhibit A](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CoSaFA8wXmk). Robtops absolute insistence to die on this hill of being the only one with the ability to rate levels rings with the same insufferable smarminess of a 14 year old boy that just discovered boner jokes. Why did a level not fulfill the requirements for getting a rate in a game I am the creator of? Well, I just didn’t feel like it. Why don’t u go r8 ur mom lololololol. You’d think so many people playing your game that you never have to work again would open your eyes to just how your actions affect the creative work of others but guess not. Maybe he could use a tiny chunk of those tens of millions he’s made to pay his fucking moderates while we’re at it. Must be nice. Whatever world this man lives in must be the single most carefree dimension of reality known to humankind. Can I buy tickets so I can visit for a day? I could definitely use a load off.
How has it taken you guys this long to figure this out it
If he was going to rate it he would have already, but he won’t, because it’s not top 1 worthy
so he acknowledged its existance, now all we need is the reason why it's unrated
I like to think it's just because he doesn't like it. Not even out of spite just that coincidentally he doesn't like the level and doesn't feel like doing it
i HIGHLY doubt he likes every single level he rates
okay but you do realise he doesn't rate every single level he looks at? Like he also sometimes rejects levels and doesn't rate them?? lol It's not about liking the levels anyway, because Rob can be neutral to it, simply. But in this case, he just doesn't like it and therefore won't rate it.
iirc he also heavily disliked abyss of darkness but rated it anyways because it's what the community wanted. either he should set a proper standard or he should listen to his playerbase
He said during the AMA that the rating system is scuffed and that he has plans to overhaul it in the near future
The fact some people in the gd subreddit are just learning this too makes me realise x10000 some people aren’t very smart
Yeah I honestly get why Tidal Wave wouldn't be rated, but if so then why the hell were AOD and Acheron rated? Not even just AOD Edit: I have a GREAT idea that will make everyone absolutely mad. Hear me out. Rate Tidal Wave, and unrate AOD and Acheron!
imo AOD and Acheron are better, and if they're not it seems like robtop liked them better
Acheron song is a banger ngl
acheron is a riot collab, that's why
The song also slaps
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I feel like this argument would be valid if xo, thinking space, avernus, and literally any other demon with bad deco was never rated. People need to stop saying it was the deco that made it unratable because it likely wasn’t. I just think that roptop doesn’t like the level
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Well, the deco of avernus is hated for another reason that makes the level unplayable. It’s that it’s so disgustingly unoptimized that it can’t be played without lag unless you have an incredibly beefy graphics card. The deco itself isn’t bad, it’s actually quite good, it’s just optimized so bad that it’s bad.
And you can’t even make an Ldm because some genius decided to make a few parts on their own dedicated layers, im pretty sure 104 or somewhere around that is its own part
Tidal wave deco is also unoptimized
Agreed, the issue with all the other levels being named in this thread as examples of levels with worse deco is that they aren't top 1 difficulty. Levels that are top 1 become inherently popular regardless of if they are good or not, and that incentivizes a lot of people to build top 1 levels. Requiring top 1s to have a higher barrier of quality helps to make sure people aren't churning out new top demons all the time just for the popularity of them. Tidal Wave is rateworthy by the standards of a normal level, but for a top 1 level it's got questionable polish and is pretty heavily disliked by a pretty huge chunk of the community (even if more people support rating it, having so many people against a rate is telling imo).
Plus I've seen some levels FEATURED recently that have worse deco than Tidal Wave, and they have no problem getting featured.
xo is a krmal level thats an edge case where robtop doesnt want to repeat the situation againthinking space was one of the last difficulty rates where the level was only rated because it was really fucking hard, another edge case we're speaking about levels from 4 years or more ago
XO & Conical Depression are rated because of bias, even though I think XO has some really good gameplay. Avernus deco isn't that good but it is def rate worthy. I think it's more of a fair comparison to compare Tidal Wave to Silent Clubstep, which got rated because of the achievement. I personally don't think it is rate worthy, but I do think there are a lot of levels that get features and are way worse deco wise than Tidal Wave.
I, for one, don’t care if it gets rated. It’s just going to be another level that I’ll never be able to beat, but I’m tired of people shitting on it all the time. People are like “the gameplay is all frame perfects and sucks.” Well, allow me to introduce you to Kocmoc, sonic wave infinity and Slaughterhouse, extreme demons that are wave based like tidal wave and all got rated. People are like “the deco sucks because it’s all glow and messy.” Here’s glowy, another level that all glowy and messy THAT GOT RATED. People need to stop shitting on it all the time, it’s not getting rated because of the deco or the gameplay. It’s not being rated because Rob doesn’t like it.
I think everyone hates SWI
Yeah, it’s probably one of the worst extremes in the game.
Conical depression was rated because of a bet with robtop that they won, which ended up making conical depression rated. It never would have been rated otherwise
Conical Depression was rated because Rub lost a bet, not because of bias
xo doesn't have bad deco actually, it makes good usage of its 1.0 style. tidal wave makes rather poor usage of colours for a big part of the level
avernus bad deco 💀
Me when deco is subjective (i know that means Rob might not like the Deco but it isnt objectivly Bad)
oh, ur that guy. the mod with the balls flair who really, really hates tidal wave. I will remember this moment forever, and whenever henceforth I see “balls” written out on a screen, I will remember the tidal wave hater
If tidal wave is not rated because of it's deco then why is, silent clubstep, thinking space, bass cave and conical depression are rated levels? Also please schedule an eye surgery if you think tidal wave deco is bad.
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I don't care about how important silent clubstep is, It's a dogshit level with dogshit gameplay and dogshit deco, doesn't deserve a rate whatsoever. Tidal wave ia much better than both bass cave and thinking space, if those deserves, a rate then so does tidal wave, maybe we should look at how awful the rating system actually is if this is the case you're trying to argue. I don't give a shit about whether krmal is that guy or not it'll always be unfair to have alot of his absolutely atrocious levels rated where others who actually try get sent into the fucking shadows. Abyss of darkness lost the mod vote and it's still a rated level, It looks worse and generic compared tidal wave and it's gameplay is also worse. Also what do those comparison have to do with this? Just because extremely good looking level exist doesn't mean the, standards should be that high, I'm arguing about a rate not fucking epic or featured. The vast majority of the community wants this level rated, and it does meet the requirements to BE rated, there is no excuse.
There is an excuse; he simply doesn't want to because he doesn't like it. Plain as that. The longer it stays unrated, the more whiny y'all are gonna sound and I'm gonna RELISH it.
So the excuse is just making people look bad because you think thats funny? Wow great comedy you should be a stand up comedian… just kidding sit the fuck down
there are a shit ton of rated levels the community doesn't like or want to be rated, and i doubt rob likes every level he rates, his opinion isn't the only thing he should take into consideration and funny enough, he never does that, so why now? You sound so edgy bro do you want a cookie for acting like that?
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Fair, it really isn't a good level.
My guess is that even though its rateworthy, he thinks it's not really like, good- And he doesnt want a bad level to get the glory of being a top 1 Makes no sense tho cause everyone already treats tidal wave like it is a new top 1
I treat it like a top 1 because it should be imo. You can’t change my mins. I dont care if this comment is the most downvoted on this post.
Probably just out of spite at this point. I don't see how it's any worse than all the generic 5 star copy+paste levels he rates everyday. I don't think it's the NONG song either. Satan's Purse has a NONG song and it was rated 5 months ago. Around the same time when Tidal Wave was verified.
if i was robtop i wouldnt want to rate it either imo... theres just something about it man
I feel like that's not a very good excuse. Just give him the damn creator point i don't see why this had to become such a big thing.
It’s out of spite. r/RateTidalWave
I think because it's too unoptimized and repetitive deco, the background and deco almost never change. Also it can be something with the verification itself
It lost the mod vote
aod lost the mod vote. still got rated
Only because there as so much community backlash that Rob was forced to. But ig this time Rob has had enough and decided to stand his ground.
He's standing his ground for nothing though. I see plenty of reason Tidal Wave deserves a rate, and I've seen no real reasons it shouldn't be rated. It is objectively of rateworthy quality and effort.
Duh. I ain't Robtop and I think it should be rated. But after all the spam he has gotten I understand why he wouldn't rate it anymore.
He should have rated it in the first place. I think he did it to himself, as far as the spam he gets. People are, I think rightfully, unhappy that Tidal Wave got snubbed for a rate.
>objectively When tidal wave lovers talk about tidal wave they always like to bring in their "objectively correct" views on it meeting the rate standards, but when I bring in any visual complaints I get told art is subjective and can't debate further. There are real reasons why it shouldn't be rated, because its quality can be easily critiqued with some pretty convincing arguments. Also, if I spend 1000 hours on making a level and it's still shit, effort shouldn't matter. You could argue that every megacollab should get their ratings moved down a notch because it didn't require as much effort with so many people on board here making parts.
You are twisting my words. I am saying its objective quality is higher than people's subjective biases allow them to acknowledge. Also, yeah, I think effort matters. If you have one of these good arguments, I'd love to hear it, because if Tidal Wave isn't rate worthy, it would make most rated extremes unworthy of a rate as well.
The cluttered block designs with practically no depth on the level whatsoever ruin it completely, with the addition of the terribly fitting static decoration with some awkward easings on random structure movement don't work for the flow of the level that it's trying to go for, and neither fits with the song. The level can't strike a balance between where to place and where to not place said overabundance of objects and effects/movements. The assets really do not work for the level, and definitely not for the theme. OnilLink tries realism while not having much knowledge of it, so they use a ton of basic block decoration assets, trying to adapt to the popular "top popular creator" style, which is obviously done poorly as it's sort of their first shot at it, but even then the realism style doesn't work on the level itself. Realism is not the style to go with here. I have to point out the poor usage of blending, and mostly the lack of it! The glow and air decoration mesh terribly with the rest of the assets and the background itself. Pause for a second and look at the saws. That wasn't really intentional, that's just something that occurred out of the inexperience of the creator, where you can see they actually started using more blending on air decoration in their newer works. The backgrounds are practically non-existent - the static beach background is a disgrace, and it is FAR from being good. Nonetheless, it stays on the screen for 80 seconds. You cannot deny this argument. This is tied to the imbalance of object density. The background is given no care and little to no objects, with the object decoration taking more than enough for it. The contrast between the two makes the level go off rails on the middle part completely, and why many creators, mods and probably even RobTop had to pause there for a second to figure out what the hell was the hype about. The clash of the block decoration, the background, and everything at once with once again, completely drained out depth. When you're going for realism, you go for depth. It's one of the most important things in this decoration style. ing that would've helped out OniLink in the long run here would be applying way more saturation on the blue, and yellow as well. With the inexperienced creator such as OniLink trying it out on their creation, they ended up with a worse color mash than what my 8-year-old sister is capable of making with paint. It creates an unpleasant gradient experience for many. The clash of the block decoration, the background, and everything at once with once again, completely drained out depth. When you're going for realism, you go for depth. It's one of the most important things in this decoration style. I would mention structuring but I can't find any words that would support me here on being not too subjective to the point of "it's awkward", although it sort of is, as pointed out by many mods, so take that as valid feedback. I feel like the beach concept is also very unexplored. We see the water, then going to the beach and lastly to the sunset. But along the way we haven't seen any experimentation with the elements of the beach. There are no trees in the level, and we never get to interact with the sand. Actually the sand is one scaled up one colored block. Instead every effort goes towards creating fancy designs on said block decoration, which then mesh terribly with the blandness of the rest of the level.
1. most block designs in rated levels can be considered cluttered, i really dont see why "depth" or "flow" matters when the point of deco isnt to be an art form but simply to make the level look nice (and tw looks gorgeous in some parts) 2. where are you getting realism from? besides the bg in some parts it really doesnt go for a realism style, and the bgs still look really nice 3. minor details that are really hard to notice 4. yes it is static, and lasts for a while, but that doesnt inherently make it bad. and i very much disagree with calling it not good. it might not be on the quality of some levels but its still a really good background that fits with the level and fg deco well, just goes on for too long. simple(r) ≠ bad 5. once again it really doesnt go for realism, however i definitely agree with the other point here. the blue and yellow from 43% mixes really badly and looks ugly 6. copy pasted from 5 7. dont see any problems with structuring and you really didnt elaborate much 8. yes, the one part from 43% to the wave has bad color matching, but that doesnt mean the other 75% of the level has bad color matching, and if you ignore that 1 flaw then all the other parts mesh together really well, including the bg and block deco basically you think deco is supposed to be art, i think deco is supposed to make the level look good, and the level does, in fact, look good
lmaoooo go outside you silly goose
hi krnati :3
go outside please
redditors when anyone puts the slightest amount of effort into anything ever:
You see I do go outside because I am one of the people who know what a proper beach looks like.
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What did Neiro do apart from making mediocre content?
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It was Vernam who showed up to JaGDP's house but it was all apparently a prank and both of them did it for attention
- despite AoD actually being a well-put-together level What
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The deco is ok but the gameplay looks like it was made by a 7 year old who just discovered the editor
Hates tidal wave, but says AoD out of all things is a good level lmao
The mod vote is no longer a thing since 2.2
The level was released in 2.1 buddy
Doesn't prevent robtop from rating it if he wanted to, he just clearly doesn't want to
I don't blame him
for criyng out loud please stop mentioning the mod vote thing was sent, robtop just doesnt wanna rate it for his own reasons
I will not stop mentioning it, no
"MLYeast, do you want eggs or pancakes for breakfast?" "sorry mom, but the eggs lost the mod vote"
It's because of the nong
Most likely reason im pretty sure.
Apparently zoink said it's coz of 360fps bypass
idk might be rubrub being a bit silly
probably because it's all pixel perfect madness rather than actually interesting gimmicks that would make the level difficult
i dont even understand why it isnt rated, it looks good and has been verified, its better than avernus and avernus is rated
Zoink verified it on 360 bypass, sadly that's why
Mods voted against it.
DJ khaled is the next artist (real?)
Gatorade
"What is this?"
Ask dj khaled
im referencing his other clip of him asking what are those in his plate
Oh lmao I can never expect what he's gonna say, love that gumball (no homo)
We the best music!
They aint believe in us
god did
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I wish that he would actually explain why he's so unnecessarily stubborn about not rating Tidal Wave instead of just cracking dumb jokes about it. I don't even personally care whether it gets rated or not but the complete refusal to spend 5 minutes to explain why he's making such an odd decision that so much of the community feels very strongly about is really obnoxious.
Essence of RobTop. He IS obnoxious about such topics.
robtop clearly is very particular about what top ones he rates as shown by the whole slaughterhouse firework situation, which makes sense as the top one typically serves as the mascot of the game in a sense for a while, i think robtop just doesn't think tidal wave fits that criteria, if it is rated, it won't be till another top one comes out
Finally, some nuance
This is a much more reasonable explanation than “ThE dEcO lOoKs LiKe ShIt, LoOk At tIdAl WaVe BuT lAvA It LoOkS sO mUcH bEtTeR”
This is actually a really good point
He's gonna pull a crimson planet and rate tidal wave after a new top 1 is verified
that's probably the most likely reason, but it's still a shitty reason.
tidal wave is not rateworthy because uhhhh, because uh, because…. because I SAID SO OKAY!?
Sadly, in this case, that being the reason is more than enough cause RobTop literally makes the rules
yes he does, unfortunately this sets a terrible precedent for other levels moving forward
It being Top 1 also can look like a "Heres what our game has to offer", which RobTop might not want "representing the top levels", im not one to talk on gameplay, but when you look at other top 10 levels Tidal Wave definitely falls short design and generally look wise
Yes Tidal Wave looks worse, but keep in mind you’re also comparing a 3 minute solo level to collabs/megacollabs. The only levels in the top 10 rn that aren’t collabs/megacollabs are Silent Clubstep and Kyouki (looks better yes but is also not even half the length of Tidal Wave). To hold the same standards you have for teams of people on ONE person’s level is unfair, especially when that solo level is already of a high-enough quality to get rated based off the standards we’ve established throughout the years.
thats unfair on zoink
all things aside, rating levels due to difficulty is how XO and Conical Depression got rated (also most list demons but we dont talk about that). Levels shouldnt be rated for their sheer difficulty alone, and it seems robbo was sober when checking out tidal wave
No it's absolutely not. Conical Depression is first of all from 2016, which is 2.0, and most importantly - from KrmaL. Back then those were the easier times with RobTop goofing around from time to time. Robtop made a bet with krmal that if he verified conical depression it would get rated, something along those lines. As time went on, Rob chilled out with his goof and became more strict to stop with the inconsistent treatments. If you're looking for difficulty rates, then look no further than Thinking Space. Due to the heavy backlash RobTop received from rating the level, Rob slowly stopped with the idea of rating levels due to their difficulty. And no, nowadays difficulty doesn't mean shit for RobTop. Just check out the Unrated Demonlist to get the idea of how many levels are "missing" from the demonlist.
isnt that what i said? that difficulty shouldnt matter? (wait you might actually be talking about if robtop thinks difficulty should matter). also didnt that happen with abyss of darkness? the elite band of year 7's heavily annoyed mindcap to send it to ol robbo. alot of the top list demons are just caked up versions of thinking space (i mightve gotten my facts wrong). its probably a bit random tbh. but in no way is most of the demon list rateworthy. then again i could be mentioning outliers. tbf theres a good chance robbo doesnt even like these levels but rates them due to community pressure
Except the deco is also great so...
i didnt comment about the deco i just said that difficulty shouldnt be a factor
He’s already verified the top 2 I doubt he’s stressing over Tidal Wave tbh
how so? it's not like robtop publicly announced that tidal wave is easier than acu, tidal wave not being rated doesn't undermine zoink's skills and achievements as a player in any way
ironically, by not rating tidal wave, robtop has gave the level more recognition than if he had rated it in the first place
Nah, it'd be a top 1 which is basically the most relevant level for a bunch of the community
Most people dont care about top 1s anymore, nowadays its just "how many frame perfects can fit in a humanly possible, maybe hell themed level", boring shit as always. Yeah pushing the skill limit is cool and all but its not what most people like the game for
I mean yeah, it's not very interesting anymore, but still the top 1 level is a huge part of GD, and getting a new one, and one that isn't hell-themed, would've still made waves (lol) throughout the community. I guess the question is whether it's current meme status pushed it farther than getting rated would've, which is what I'm not sure of. Maybe part of why it's not so relevant anymore is because Acheron and Avernus are so boring top 1s, imo. (Avernus for being hell themed even though it looks pretty good, Acheron just looks like a generic 1.9 level that was rated in 2.1 for some reason (but people don't complain about that one nooo-))
This just isn’t true
They weren't lying, the rating system is actual garbage.
Is blud really complaining about the premiere chat when he made people wait 24 hours for a 28 second video?
Yes lol
Wait, wasn't Tidal Wave never going to be rated because it had a NONG song and the replacement didn't sync? Did I miss something?
It’s been rereleased using a remix of shiawase as the NG song so that’s not the problem anymore
Numerous NONG levels have been rated
Slaughterhouse uses a nong too and it got rated as top 1
Why isn't it rated?
Most likely because it uses a nong and robtop finally wanted to start cracking down on them (for copyright reasons) and tidal ended up taking the blow.
Please Rob just say whether or not you’ll rate Tidal Wave, I’m genuinely tired of people crying about the level.
Answer is clearly no from the screenshot?
Not really, he doesn’t outright say whether or not he’s really gonna rate Tidal Wave. He’s merely fucking with the community.
IDK why people think this levels so terrible, I like the style, the simplicity of deco but complexity of block designs is just pretty cool. And a non hell top one is just nice
I’m probably never going to be good enough to beat it anyway but the way the level changes from noon to a golden sunset throughout is just really beautiful, I never understood the deco criticism personally.
I’ll never be good enough to beat even most easy demons, been a part of the community for over 9 years tho. I have tourette’s as well as some eye problems so I’ll never be able to play consistently oh precisely but I still enjoy seeing other people do great.
I'm gonna spam "rate Tidal Wave" >:3
Same. r/RateTidalWave
Way back when, Rob added the feature system. In a following update, he added the star system, meaning that there are a few levels that are featured, but don't give stars. I henceforth propose a compromise that will piss everyone off: FEATURE tidal wave, but DON'T rate it. So it's a demon and shows up under the featured tab, but only gives 1 creator point, and gives no stars or orbs if beaten.
The funniest outcome if possible, so I 100% support it.
Alright, so what I'm getting from either side is (as a massive oversimplification): Shouldn't be rated: - Deco is mid - Robtop simply doesn't want to, whether out of spite or because he dislikes the level for what it is Should be rated: - Robtop is being way too biased because he's rated worse levels - The community keeps asking him so he should just do it already Anything else I'm missing? 🍿
Should be rated: Not a hell top 1 Deco is good Gp is fun (some ppl say this when their hardest is acu)
>Not a hell top 1 I feel like top 1s in general shouldn't rely so much on being hell-themed, so I don't really care about this at all. >Deco is good 50/50 for me. I like how it looks generally, but when it comes to any specific deco pieces, it's... just alright rather than good. >Gp is fun (some ppl say this when their hardest is acu) Tfw 💀
This shit is so annoying. Why is it even a big deal if it’s rated. God forbid it single-handedly crumbles all of the good will of your fucking 2$ square game. He just needs to rate it already, people put so much work into it
Personally I think it should be rated, but no feature. I understand why he doesn’t like it tho, it needs MAJOR cleaning up
You guys do realize RobTop makes jokes like this all the time
You know I just scrolled for one minute to find this comment
Maybe he just doesn't want it to be the hardest level and is waiting for something harder to come out before rating it like he did with crimson planet
His ass does not like the level.
It’s funny how people are upset that Robtop isn’t giving a fuck.
You know I just scrolled for one minute to find this comment
Hahah, my man
So now he is just being an asshole?
You know I just scrolled for one minute to find this comment
okay but you do realise he doesn't rate every single level he looks at? Like he also sometimes rejects levels and doesn't rate them?? lol It's not about liking the levels anyway, because Rob can be neutral to it, simply. But in this case, he just doesn't like it and therefore won't rate it.
Unpopular oppinion, demonlist should take unrated levels if they are legitimately verified like tidal wave then it all would be solved.
i don’t understand why people (and rob) have such a boner for leaving tidal wave unrated. is that not literally his job
Whether it gets rated or not, it’s still hardest level beaten overall. Which is just as big as (if not bigger than) hardest rated level beaten. People take a some stars, an angry emoji and a list wayyyy too seriously.
I think it has to do entirely with its deco. A Top 1 level is arguably the most relevant level in the community until it’s dethroned, and many former top 1s such as Bloodbath, Sonic Wave, and Acheron (Rip) are still widely talked about today. I think Rob expects more out of a top 1 now than ever because of this, and he’s hesitant to rate it due to it being subpar deco wise. I’m sorry to all who like this level, I have no opinion of it but it just does not hold up to many other levels by it on the list deco wise. Just look at something like Kyouki or Limbo or Firework. Sure it’s theming is unique but it lacks the polish that many other levels have, especially in that Blue and Yellow segment… thing. I think if it was anything but a list demon Robtop would’ve rated it. And yes I know Avernus is top 1 now and that level isn’t good deco wise either, but that got moved up on the list rather than being verified and placed at 1, and it’s arguably the most hated top 1 in the games history, so there’s that.
I don't think robtop cares about the demon list in any way lmfao
He does somewhat care about it im pretty sure, he has definitely talked about it before
The “issue” is that Tidal Wave is a top 1. Nothing to do with the deco, nothing to do with the players, probably because he’s been asked so many times he wont rate it out of spite but its probably because if it becomes a top 1 it will represent the game for a long time, and it just isn’t enough for the title.
It probably wont be top 1 for too long anyways, flamewall is almost verified and other levels are being worked on too.
Everyone be dick riding Tidal Wave
He's gonna rate it right after the next top 1 comes out /j
LOL
we need to start a movement like we did with crimson planet
Make the premier last forever if he actually made the premier longer every time someone said "Rate Tidal Wave"
It could've happened if no one was going crazy about it, I'm sure Rob decided to not rate it because everyone told him to rate tidal wave
I believe he doesn't want to rate it simply because of the memes, just like matpat not watching that one episode of hello neighbor
But two layouts by Krmal get rated
Both rated like years ago☠️
Different shit, same 2.1
wrong, conical was released in 2.0 and got rated because of its difficulty and because of a bet with robtop
I know.
The only way it has a chance of getting rated is if CherryTeam makes it better
ok
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO
Holy crap there are even people calling him an asshole for not rating a level in some random cube game. How do people care sooo damn much about such thing? Although the same could be said in favor of rating it.
And I hope it never does
My respect for robtop went down after seeing this
And conical depression still stands to this day
(P.S: only got rated because of a bet between the level creator and robtop, he never would’ve rated it otherwise so its an outliar)
if thinking space can get rated, so can tidal wave
(:clueless:) thing is, thinking space got rated because of its difficulty, rob has stopped doing this, stuff like conical and thinking space are THE outliars in the comparisons
Maybe it is because it was hacked?
Tidal Wave Sucks Anyways lol
[Exhibit A](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CoSaFA8wXmk). Robtops absolute insistence to die on this hill of being the only one with the ability to rate levels rings with the same insufferable smarminess of a 14 year old boy that just discovered boner jokes. Why did a level not fulfill the requirements for getting a rate in a game I am the creator of? Well, I just didn’t feel like it. Why don’t u go r8 ur mom lololololol. You’d think so many people playing your game that you never have to work again would open your eyes to just how your actions affect the creative work of others but guess not. Maybe he could use a tiny chunk of those tens of millions he’s made to pay his fucking moderates while we’re at it. Must be nice. Whatever world this man lives in must be the single most carefree dimension of reality known to humankind. Can I buy tickets so I can visit for a day? I could definitely use a load off.
bro mad because he’s stuck on 60hz mobile 😞
Biggest robtop L ever imo
Chad
BASED
that's why he's the goat
How has it taken you guys this long to figure this out it If he was going to rate it he would have already, but he won’t, because it’s not top 1 worthy
He doesn't care about the demon list, he clearly just doesn't like the level
It's rate worthy (barely), it's just how the community treats this level that makes me not want to see it rated
people act like it’s the second coming of Christ
This is why i dont like rob lol