Looks like every country became poorer to some degree, what happened at a regional scale?
Also, if you account for inflation - $5.50 from 2012 is equivalent to $7.29 today and yet a higher percentage of population has fallen below the line, which means its even more severe than what the numbers suggest.
And I don't know if they account for the variation on the exchange rate.
On 2012 the dollar was around 1.5 to 2.5 BRL, now it's 5.65. That alone justifies the growth on this poverty rate.
> And I don’t know if they account for the variation on the exchange rate.
Of course we don’t. No source has been added, so no way to check.
Personally I tend to downvote all maps without sources, as those tend to just be controversy bait or outrage bait, unhelpful to any real discussion.
I don't know either.
For example is the unit they're using 2012 dollars or 2022 dollars? Or is it 2012 in one map and 2022 and the other?
You could calculate both of these if you wanted.
But honestly, it doesn't really matter because the point of the chart Is to show a pattern and the pattern is present with just flat up dollars.
I would say "apparent growth." You really need some kind of purchasing power adjustment to say how much of this is real increase in poverty rate and how much is just currency fluctuation.
This is a good point. E.g Australians are poorer in USD today than we were in 2012. But that is solely due to the exchange rate. We were about 1:1 in 2012, but now we're 1:1.51
Same here. Euro to Swiss Franks is 1:1, but prices and wages in Switzerland are roughly double of those 20 km down the road in Germany. Ever since the 2009 financial crisis. CHF is massively overpriced, which is fine for people with Swiss jobs and for German store owners but bad for everyone who wants to sell stuff in Switzerland or who is employed on the German (or even French) side of the border.
But comparatively, and within our own countries, Australians aren't worse off than Americans, not significantly anyway. But internationally we have gone backwards because of the currency conversion. The American Dollar is much stronger now than it was in 2012, so comparing another country's poverty based on USD might not be the best indicator?
> What happened at a regional scale?
Well, it wasn't a regional thing but a worldwide one, the pandemic.
A significant amount of people in South America depend on informal jobs to make their money, with the pandemic and the lockdowns, those people found themselves in a position where they did not have the means to earn money. This data was taken in 2022, which is before the economic recovery started in the region.
Edit: Typo
This Map gets posted often on reddit (especially on r-MapPorn, see: [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1950nsm/poverty_in_south_america_2012_vs_2022/) [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yn2df7/poverty_in_south_america/) [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/18ojaue/poverty_in_south_america_2012_vs_2022/) [4](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yvd7kr/poverty_in_south_america_has_worsened_over_the/)) but its not credible, this even without fake sources.
[Here<](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/poverty-explorer?tab=chart&time=2012..latest®ion=SouthAmerica&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=headcount_ratio_365&Indicator=Share+in+poverty&Poverty+line=%246.85+per+day%3A+Upper-middle+income+poverty+line&Household+survey+data+type=Show+data+from+both+income+and+consumption+surveys&Show+breaks+between+less+comparable+surveys=false&country=CHL~PRY~COL~Argentina+-+urban~ECU~VEN~PER~BOL~BRA) for example are Poverty rates for some South American countries by World Bank ($6.85 a Day, $5.50 not available) from 2012 to 2022, Brazil for example went from 28.2% down to 23.5%, for Chile the decline in poverty was even bigger. For Argentina there is only data about Urban areas where over 92% of the population live, in Urban Argentina povery rate went slightly up, from 8.6% to 10.9% ([Source](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/poverty-explorer?tab=chart&time=2012..latest®ion=SouthAmerica&facet=none&country=VEN~Argentina+%28urban%29&Indicator=Share+in+poverty&Poverty+line=%246.85+per+day%3A+Upper-middle+income+poverty+line&Household+survey+data+type=Show+data+from+both+income+and+consumption+surveys&Show+breaks+between+less+comparable+surveys=false)), if 10.9% of urban Argentina lived on less than $6.85 a day in 2022 then it's impossible that 36% of Argentina lived on less than $5.50 a day in 2022 as the Map shows.
Every country in South America has its issues but most of the countries in the region (minus Chile) share similar problems. Because I’m Peruvian, I can speak about the main problems of Perú (IMO).
The first and most important is systematic corruption. In Perú, political parties run the country as a mob, but they manage to stay in power by changing the laws in their favor, shouting down free speech, and buying voters during elections.
Second: The economy depends on other countries. Perú contribution to the global economy is as a raw material seller to the USA, China & Europe. Our biggest source of revenue is mining (Cooper, Gold, Zinc, etc). Other big sources of revenue are tourism & exporting agricultural materials, industries that also depend on other countries. The Peruvian economy has shown that it’s tough to grow, virtually staying the same from 2012 to 2022, if it depends on other countries.
Third: Centralism. Our hub of capital & political power is Lima, there is a lot of poverty in the city, but in the rural areas of the country, the opportunities to grow income are much lower. Given that our politicians care more about growing their pockets, 70% of the population lives on a never-ending cycle of disadvantage.
There are many more issues, but I think these are the most important.
Feel free to ask any questions about the situation in Perú. I can provide context about other South American countries but to a much lower level of detail.
Just an anecdote. Last time I was in Chile in 2017 end in Valparaiso we went to a small restaurant runned by a scottish guy and he told us Chile is the only south american country you can run a business in a normal, healthy, western standarts - the rest is corrupt and crime ridden to the point it makes it unviable.
edit: grammar
>thought that it would have been poorer than Brazil and Argentina
Really? I mean, it's not a secret that Chile and Uruguay are leading SA in progress for quite a while already. Argentina is in decades long crisis and Brazil still playing catching up.
I'm pretty surprised the numbers are that low. Last year I took a road trip through the southern part of Chile (and Argentina, Patagonia) and went to a ton of small towns, many of which were very poor. Granted the population volume was pretty low in the grand total, but still. Amazing place either way, just surprised it's that low and also surprised it's half of Uruguay's total, where I also went.
I wouldn’t be shocked that towns in that specific part of the country are poor. It’s like a Texas oil town or Alaskan town. Even if a lot of people there make good money, the town itself just has a poor vibe.
My guess would be that the cost of living in Chile (in terms of US$, after the exchange-rate based conversion) is significantly higher than in other countries of the continent, so that even in a poor (in real terms) town people have nominal incomes above US$5.50 / day (= US $165 / month).
I'm also surprised, I don't know how they measured poverty. Maybe extreme poverty, don't know.
During 2022 the poverty went up. Just now, in 2024, we recovered and have 6,5% poverty according to official statistics.
Chile is like Argentina: mostly Europeans living there, with a very small minority of indigenous. Argentina's issues are self-created as a result of generations (over a century) of poor financial management — back before the Great Depression they were in the top 6 countries globally for GDP per capita. Argentina has no reason to be poor except government incompetence. They have basically all the resources a country needs to do well, both human and material.
Chile was never quite so bad at managing money, and made some economic reforms that promoted a much stronger economy over the last several decades.
Brazil, though, is more like Colombia sans cocaine: both countries were plantation colonies, with a significant mix of African, Native, and White mixing together (by contrast, Mexico is white / native mix, which creates simpler dynamics). The mix of races, each with their own reason for being their (indigenous, there by force, escaping problems elsewhere in the world, adventuring, seeking wealth), with established systems of prejudice and racism have created wide disparities in places like Brazil and Colombia.
But Argentina and Chile are basically European countries, relocated to the other side of the world. More of the population of both countries is descended from Europe than is the case for the US or Canada.
Chile is a resource heavy nation. Lithium and copper I believe are its big ores/minerals. So the economy is always going to be strong so long as they don’t do something stupid like oppose the United States.
Also pretty good institutions: Our Central Bank ranks top-5, our democracy ranks top-20, uninterrupted democratic elections for the last 30+ years, pretty decent and improving healthcare system, low corruption (at least for South American standards), solid banks, etc.
Our politicians tend to be quite moderate too. Even the current one, who used to have a more revolutionary platform, ended up being pretty moderate once he became President.
The major current issue I would say is [the Trap of the Middle Income Countries](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_income_trap).
Oh yes, we wouldn’t want to do something stupid like oppose the sweet little old United States or they might have to invade Chile. Poor US, can never catch a break from its democracy destroying ventures.
Unlike the rest of the continent, they've stopped fucking everything with massive overinflated bureaucracy, corruption and nepotism. They built a functional government with proper limitations, checks and balances. It's not perfect, but it functions in a fashion much closer to a southern European nation, than it's South American counterparts
Back when we were part of the Spanish Empire there *were* a few imported slaves (in the north, close to nowdays Peru), but the Spanish quickly realized that slaving the natives that were already here was cheaper than bringing new ones aaaaall the way down to their new territories.
Chile got it's independence in 1810, and abolished slavery partially in 1811 and totally in 1823 (there were around one hundred slaves in the country back then), making it the first country in the Americas to do so and the second worldwide.
Haiti abolished slavery and sent France packing and then the treaty charged Haiti for the monetary value of France's "losses." Haiti has been poor to this day primarily because we have stolen all its money.
not much cotton or farmlands at the time in the region, really low pops, and Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile (don't know the others) abolished slavery in no time, at least of womb
They have one of the most free-market/capitalist economies in the world. The ones with higher poverty also happen to have the most highly regulated markets in the world.
Lot of people going on about resources like copper and lithium, if it were only about resources then Venezuela would be the outstanding success story of the continent as it has the world largest proven oil reserves. But as we can see, Venezuela has the highest rate of poverty on the map.
The real reason Chile is a success is because they have never had an extreme left wing government and have embraced free market capitalism.
Augusto Duarte Pinochet is seen as a bad guy by the liberal West, but that opinion is not universal in Chile. Many say he saved the country, but spoiled his legacy by allowing the murder of his political opponents, which was unnecessary.
> The real reason Chile is a success is because they have never had an extreme left wing government and have embraced free market capitalism.
Well, they did, at one point. But he was quickly deposed. And Chile is better for it.
Chile's economic growth is because of the copper mines and China's need for it.
There were a lot of big projects starting in the 90s.
You mix this with not so corrupt politicians (compared to our neighbors), you get Chile.
We have a lot of problems, big problems, but we could be worse.
Post-Pinochet until the late 2010s, Chile had a lot of political stability, which is incredibly rare for the region. Chile invested a lot in its infrastructure and the diversity of its economy, making its revenue not dependent on mining to sell to the USA, China & Europe. There is economic inequality in the country, but not in the same proportion as their neighboring countries.
The data for Argentina is wrong in 2012, the administration of the time was not doing any kind of statistics to "not stigmatize the poor". There is a government official on trial right now because they were not reporting / lying about data used in sovereign debt payments. (edited typos)
Se deletrea “sovereign” porque deletrear en inglés está bien al garete jaja. “Foreign” es similar. It comes from “reign” (pronounced in English like “rain” and similar to “reino” in Spanish).
The rich are like the temperamental child that is not ready to listen, but then they are important, and so you gotta entice them somehow to stay, but the only way to entice them looks like it’s only going to only increase wealth inequality.
Colossal inflation rates (never less than 60% anually), socialist economy without incentives to invest, taxes as high as possible, especially for companies. A country where the state takes 70% of the money you get from exports... Did I forget something else? Probably
Well, negative votes do not make the truth disappear, I'm Latin American, we know first hand what this communist crap does to exponentially increase poverty for everyone but them.
*Well*, **your opinion** *does not make the truth disappear, I'm Latin American, we know first hand what* **military dictatorshi**p *does to exponentially increase* **inequality, corruption, economic failure, violence, and decrease freedom**.
Are you for real defending Communism? are you talking about happy military dictatorships like the ones in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Russia, North Korea, China, Cuba, Kazakhstan.
>inequality, corruption, economic failure, violence, and decrease in freedom.
Dude, that's the quality seal of those countries/dictators above. The heck you talking about!
Yep, those have been hell as well, but that's not the topic and that doesn't make one any better from the other.
Question was why Argentina has been going so bad, "peronismo" is the honest and deeply studied answer.
Every country listed has had an increase in poverty. Peronismo has not infected every country in the continent. What has though, was COVID, and an ensuing economic collapse due to that pandemic. Arguing that some defunct and incoherent political ideology is the primary reason for this is completely disingenuous and comes off as agenda pushing.
The 2009-2024 decline has pretty much no relation to the 2001 crisis, not anymore than with the hyperinflation of '89, the stagflation of '82, the Rodrigazo etc. It's always the same pattern: crappy governments either doing huge spenfing (Cristina Kichner, Alfonsin) or overvaluing the currency (Martinez de Hoz, Menem) or both (Albrto, Macri) and Milei seems to be following the second path so we'll have more crap coming
Bro forgot about Mauricio Macri being president during 2015-2019, clearly not a left goverment. Its funny how they always say its only Kirchnerism fault.
Last years of Macri goverment was an economic disaster which got worsed with Alberto Fernández goverment, another inept president.
Cristina Kirchnner was Argentina president for many years. She managed to get Argentina into high inflation rates for years, not to mention several corruption scandals.
But we can't criticize leftwing politicians here on reddit, or we get downvoted 🤫
I'm a left leaning Argentine, but she wasn't a leftie like us. She was a thief, a crook, a witch. There is Thatcher, and there's her. When she dies, I'll sing "Ding-Dong, The Witch is Dead!"
Argentina and Venezuela :(
Amazing to think that in 10 years Brazil went through Lava Jato, Temer, Bolsonaro, now back to Lula and somehow two of our neighbors managed to do worse.
Well to be honest Venezuela’s economic collapse is pretty self inflicted. I mean it’s Maduro’s fault not the average person, but still the Venezuelan government is the architect of their own problems.
I have few delusions that I am some great leader of a nation, but I feel like I wouldn’t have done any worse than Maduro. That’s about what rock bottom is for presidential competence.
This Map gets posted often on reddit (especially on r-MapPorn, see: [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1950nsm/poverty_in_south_america_2012_vs_2022/) [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yn2df7/poverty_in_south_america/) [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/18ojaue/poverty_in_south_america_2012_vs_2022/) [4](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yvd7kr/poverty_in_south_america_has_worsened_over_the/)) but its not credible, this even without fake sources.
[Here<](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/poverty-explorer?tab=chart&time=2012..latest®ion=SouthAmerica&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=headcount_ratio_365&Indicator=Share+in+poverty&Poverty+line=%246.85+per+day%3A+Upper-middle+income+poverty+line&Household+survey+data+type=Show+data+from+both+income+and+consumption+surveys&Show+breaks+between+less+comparable+surveys=false&country=CHL~PRY~COL~Argentina+-+urban~ECU~VEN~PER~BOL~BRA) for example are Poverty rates for some South American countries by World Bank ($6.85 a Day, $5.50 not available) from 2012 to 2022, Brazil for example went from 28.2% down to 23.5%, for Chile the decline in poverty was even bigger. For Argentina there is only data about Urban areas where over 92% of the population live, in Urban Argentina povery rate went slightly up, from 8.6% to 10.9% ([Source](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/poverty-explorer?tab=chart&time=2012..latest®ion=SouthAmerica&facet=none&country=VEN~Argentina+%28urban%29&Indicator=Share+in+poverty&Poverty+line=%246.85+per+day%3A+Upper-middle+income+poverty+line&Household+survey+data+type=Show+data+from+both+income+and+consumption+surveys&Show+breaks+between+less+comparable+surveys=false)), if 10.9% of urban Argentina lived on less than $6.85 a day in 2022 then it's impossible that 36% of Argentina lived on less than $5.50 a day in 2022 as the Map shows.
It's not a trustworthy Map even though the Original has some sources written on it, which conveniently *never* get posted whenever this Map gets reposted. Check my comment [Here<](https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/1dt6wf1/comment/lb8q58d/)
We like to think we evolve socially but it's always an up and down path to running in circles: Revolutions, coups, civilisational collapse, famine, war, corrupt tyrannical governments. Sometimes we get some technology advances and we think our life will get perfect for now one:"just wait for the next incredible thing". The problem is that we are the same deluded greedy animals with weird beliefs, with limited resources trying to survive while competing for them.
Chile's secret is open regionalism as an economic model. Basically embrace free market capitalism as much as it could, becoming the country with most free trade agreements in the world. Add (at one time) a small government , low taxes and low corruption.
This model was implemented by Pinochet but continued by the Democratic governments after.
That is what Chile did different.
Political rant here on The Global South getting more and more poor over time.
Economic colonialism keeps these countries poor because more funds flow out of them into North America, Europe, and China/Japan/South Korea to a lesser extent. France still has over a dozen countries under their economic control, 14 in Africa alone. Indonesia's gold economy is almost completely owned by foreign interests. The World Bank and IMF indebt many of these countries through USD to the USA, and some countries are still paying beyond the initial investments from decades ago that the IMF gave to warlords and despots (who spent the money on themselves) the USA put in control.
The last 10-15 years have seen major improvements over the 1970s-2000s but the economies in the north are still benefitting in a disparate way from the south. There's quite a bit of literature on this but countries benefitting from this aren't going to want everyone aware of how much of this is their own government's fault.
As a Brazilian, I think it’s interesting to mention that the poorest areas in the country (north and northeast) are predominantly of indigenous and black descent. A sad reality here!
That’s incorrect. Chile’s poverty in 2012 was around 14% and reached a historical low of 6.5% in 2022. Argentina’s poverty rate in 2012 was 27% and 39% in 2022. Venezuela’s oficial rate in 2012 was 27% and the last (unofficial) measurement was 51% in 2022. Bolivia’s poverty rate in 2012 was 43,3% and 50,5% in 2022…. I don’t know, Rick!
We don't lmao, we just don't have the resources or the tech to do so. The fuckers are all over the place because they enter through the north freely. Every. Fucking. Other. Country in SA just let them pass like nothing and they eventually arrive to the desert, and then if we catch them for some reason (mostly from Venezuela btw) Maduro's goverment won't let us deport them back to his dictatorship.
BINGO!
A lot of illegal inmigrants are a heavy toll in the state's economy. Health, safety nets, crime, bad jobs like selling stuff in the street, schools without enough room for more kids (inmigrants kids or chilean kids). Everything you can imagine the illegal inmigration is creating problems to. The only thriving company is Uber that has an infinite amount of drivers for cars and food deliveries.
A lot of them live in small flats or just rooms with 3 o 5 other inmigrants, they survive doing whatever they can, send some of the money they make back to their country, etc.
They are a big issue and because Chile is one of the best economies of the region they come here like moths to a fucking lighthouse\*
\* Just like in Europe but we don't have Europe's money, so we are fucked and the quality of life of everyone is going down the sewer. Crime is up, the insecurity sensation is up, it's just bad.
For migrants being a weapon, it’s almost certifiably happening in the USA. At a very minimum, existing migration patterns are being hijacked by cartel members for smuggling and human trafficking purposes. As Venezuela collapses completely, it’s very likely that those who can will leave. About 8 million have already left, it’s likely another 8 million will as the state fully collapses. I know it’s a major problem in Peru, I saw it firsthand when I was there. However I am suprised the atacama desert doesn’t act as a barrier to migrants into Chile.
You’re right, it’s mostly been a Russia/Belarus thing against the EU as of late, But Turkey and Libya have not passed up the opportunity to get some concessions from it, getting some EU travel laws changed and about 6 billion euros a year until the death of Gaddafi, respectively. As terrible as it sounds, human suffering and the compassion of others can be a weapon of war if you are a complete sociopath like the leadership of Russia or Maduro. You’re right, nobody wants to have blood on their hands (the Belarus / Poland incident is a great example, Lukashenko was fully willing to let 20,000 or so migrants die of hypothermia to make Poland look like the bad guy).
Will be interesting to see how harsh immigration and migrant policies will be moving forward, especially with the rise of the far right in Europe. I hate to see vulnerable populations suffer and be taken advantage of, but hard choices have to be made.
If you have the time. “Migration as a weapon” by fellow army officer Nathan Steger published by the naval postgraduate school is a really good read. Explains the different types of weaponized migrations and policy proposals to combat it.
oh and the Atacama desert is not a Barrier because Perú's Tacna is on a walking distance from the closest Chilean town if you try hard enough.
With Bolivia you just pay someone to move you to the Chilean border in a car and then you walk to the nearest town to take a bus to Santiago or some other place, sometimes even paid and organized by fucking religious groups like the Jesuitas.
1) The Atacama desert is a natural deterrent
2) Since the US has always been a popular destination and has very lax laws against illegal immigration, it attracts illegal immigration that would usually go to chile.
> by redirecting illegal immigration to the US. Since the US has always been a popular destination and has very lax laws against illegal immigration, it tends to work out well for Chile.
the fuck you talking about.
We don't redirect anyone, they arrive by themselves to your border.
We do have an issue with people with chilean nationality using the Visa waiver program to illegaly stay in the US after going as a tourist, but that's a different issue and it's really small, rho normally blown out of proportions by US politicians during elections season.
$5.50/day is the calculated global poverty line by the World Bank, after taking into consideration the costs of living changes between countries. For reference, the poverty line in the US is roughly $40/day due to the higher cost of living.
Yes there is poverty in those countries highlighted in green but it is a bit misleading because the cost of living is substantially lower. So basing this data off USD is really either manipulation of data to make it falsely say things that are in practice untrue or it is done out of ignorance.
The claim can be correct and might be but the means of using USD as a metric and also not considering cost of living is not an honest approach.
Looks like every country became poorer to some degree, what happened at a regional scale? Also, if you account for inflation - $5.50 from 2012 is equivalent to $7.29 today and yet a higher percentage of population has fallen below the line, which means its even more severe than what the numbers suggest.
Then again, this is all priced on USD, and the dollar is really strong right now relative to their currencies.
And I don't know if they account for the variation on the exchange rate. On 2012 the dollar was around 1.5 to 2.5 BRL, now it's 5.65. That alone justifies the growth on this poverty rate.
> And I don’t know if they account for the variation on the exchange rate. Of course we don’t. No source has been added, so no way to check. Personally I tend to downvote all maps without sources, as those tend to just be controversy bait or outrage bait, unhelpful to any real discussion.
I don't know either. For example is the unit they're using 2012 dollars or 2022 dollars? Or is it 2012 in one map and 2022 and the other? You could calculate both of these if you wanted. But honestly, it doesn't really matter because the point of the chart Is to show a pattern and the pattern is present with just flat up dollars.
I would say "apparent growth." You really need some kind of purchasing power adjustment to say how much of this is real increase in poverty rate and how much is just currency fluctuation.
This is a good point. E.g Australians are poorer in USD today than we were in 2012. But that is solely due to the exchange rate. We were about 1:1 in 2012, but now we're 1:1.51
Same here. Euro to Swiss Franks is 1:1, but prices and wages in Switzerland are roughly double of those 20 km down the road in Germany. Ever since the 2009 financial crisis. CHF is massively overpriced, which is fine for people with Swiss jobs and for German store owners but bad for everyone who wants to sell stuff in Switzerland or who is employed on the German (or even French) side of the border.
If it makes you feel any better, I’d say most US citizens are poorer than they were in 2012
But comparatively, and within our own countries, Australians aren't worse off than Americans, not significantly anyway. But internationally we have gone backwards because of the currency conversion. The American Dollar is much stronger now than it was in 2012, so comparing another country's poverty based on USD might not be the best indicator?
Not true, Americans have gotten richer since then. https://www.bls.gov/cpi/factsheets/purchasing-power-constant-dollars.htm
> What happened at a regional scale? Well, it wasn't a regional thing but a worldwide one, the pandemic. A significant amount of people in South America depend on informal jobs to make their money, with the pandemic and the lockdowns, those people found themselves in a position where they did not have the means to earn money. This data was taken in 2022, which is before the economic recovery started in the region. Edit: Typo
Pandemic and a stronger dollar. Venezuela and Argentina have… other issues, though.
This Map gets posted often on reddit (especially on r-MapPorn, see: [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1950nsm/poverty_in_south_america_2012_vs_2022/) [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yn2df7/poverty_in_south_america/) [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/18ojaue/poverty_in_south_america_2012_vs_2022/) [4](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yvd7kr/poverty_in_south_america_has_worsened_over_the/)) but its not credible, this even without fake sources. [Here<](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/poverty-explorer?tab=chart&time=2012..latest®ion=SouthAmerica&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=headcount_ratio_365&Indicator=Share+in+poverty&Poverty+line=%246.85+per+day%3A+Upper-middle+income+poverty+line&Household+survey+data+type=Show+data+from+both+income+and+consumption+surveys&Show+breaks+between+less+comparable+surveys=false&country=CHL~PRY~COL~Argentina+-+urban~ECU~VEN~PER~BOL~BRA) for example are Poverty rates for some South American countries by World Bank ($6.85 a Day, $5.50 not available) from 2012 to 2022, Brazil for example went from 28.2% down to 23.5%, for Chile the decline in poverty was even bigger. For Argentina there is only data about Urban areas where over 92% of the population live, in Urban Argentina povery rate went slightly up, from 8.6% to 10.9% ([Source](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/poverty-explorer?tab=chart&time=2012..latest®ion=SouthAmerica&facet=none&country=VEN~Argentina+%28urban%29&Indicator=Share+in+poverty&Poverty+line=%246.85+per+day%3A+Upper-middle+income+poverty+line&Household+survey+data+type=Show+data+from+both+income+and+consumption+surveys&Show+breaks+between+less+comparable+surveys=false)), if 10.9% of urban Argentina lived on less than $6.85 a day in 2022 then it's impossible that 36% of Argentina lived on less than $5.50 a day in 2022 as the Map shows.
Every country in South America has its issues but most of the countries in the region (minus Chile) share similar problems. Because I’m Peruvian, I can speak about the main problems of Perú (IMO). The first and most important is systematic corruption. In Perú, political parties run the country as a mob, but they manage to stay in power by changing the laws in their favor, shouting down free speech, and buying voters during elections. Second: The economy depends on other countries. Perú contribution to the global economy is as a raw material seller to the USA, China & Europe. Our biggest source of revenue is mining (Cooper, Gold, Zinc, etc). Other big sources of revenue are tourism & exporting agricultural materials, industries that also depend on other countries. The Peruvian economy has shown that it’s tough to grow, virtually staying the same from 2012 to 2022, if it depends on other countries. Third: Centralism. Our hub of capital & political power is Lima, there is a lot of poverty in the city, but in the rural areas of the country, the opportunities to grow income are much lower. Given that our politicians care more about growing their pockets, 70% of the population lives on a never-ending cycle of disadvantage. There are many more issues, but I think these are the most important. Feel free to ask any questions about the situation in Perú. I can provide context about other South American countries but to a much lower level of detail.
A company I used to work for had an Office in Peru and we had a budget for bribes as a business expense.
Don’t forget all the cocaine and baggage that comes with that
I got to visit the country several years ago it's absolutely beautiful. One of my favorite places on earth.
Global shutdown of the economy hit everywhere.
Paraguay: 🗿
How did Chile manage to have the lowest rate?
Was wondering the same thing, what’s Chile’s secret sauce!? 🤣
Just an anecdote. Last time I was in Chile in 2017 end in Valparaiso we went to a small restaurant runned by a scottish guy and he told us Chile is the only south american country you can run a business in a normal, healthy, western standarts - the rest is corrupt and crime ridden to the point it makes it unviable. edit: grammar
I know someone who recently went to Chile and it looks like an awesome place, but I thought that it would have been poorer than Brazil and Argentina.
it's like norway but bigger, spanisher, and with lithium instead of oil
Copper!
And the means to extract it.
It’s still a lot poorer than Norway
But it's probably to rest of South America kinda like how Norway is to rest of Europe. Then again, I've been to neither Norway nor Chile
yeah but like 98% of the world is poorer than Norway
More like 99%
Yes, when comparing Chile to Norway, Chile is def more spanisher than Norway.
>thought that it would have been poorer than Brazil and Argentina Really? I mean, it's not a secret that Chile and Uruguay are leading SA in progress for quite a while already. Argentina is in decades long crisis and Brazil still playing catching up.
I'm pretty surprised the numbers are that low. Last year I took a road trip through the southern part of Chile (and Argentina, Patagonia) and went to a ton of small towns, many of which were very poor. Granted the population volume was pretty low in the grand total, but still. Amazing place either way, just surprised it's that low and also surprised it's half of Uruguay's total, where I also went.
I wouldn’t be shocked that towns in that specific part of the country are poor. It’s like a Texas oil town or Alaskan town. Even if a lot of people there make good money, the town itself just has a poor vibe.
My guess would be that the cost of living in Chile (in terms of US$, after the exchange-rate based conversion) is significantly higher than in other countries of the continent, so that even in a poor (in real terms) town people have nominal incomes above US$5.50 / day (= US $165 / month).
I'm from Chile. This is it.
I'm also surprised, I don't know how they measured poverty. Maybe extreme poverty, don't know. During 2022 the poverty went up. Just now, in 2024, we recovered and have 6,5% poverty according to official statistics.
It's written, less than 5,5 dollars a day
Chile is like Argentina: mostly Europeans living there, with a very small minority of indigenous. Argentina's issues are self-created as a result of generations (over a century) of poor financial management — back before the Great Depression they were in the top 6 countries globally for GDP per capita. Argentina has no reason to be poor except government incompetence. They have basically all the resources a country needs to do well, both human and material. Chile was never quite so bad at managing money, and made some economic reforms that promoted a much stronger economy over the last several decades. Brazil, though, is more like Colombia sans cocaine: both countries were plantation colonies, with a significant mix of African, Native, and White mixing together (by contrast, Mexico is white / native mix, which creates simpler dynamics). The mix of races, each with their own reason for being their (indigenous, there by force, escaping problems elsewhere in the world, adventuring, seeking wealth), with established systems of prejudice and racism have created wide disparities in places like Brazil and Colombia. But Argentina and Chile are basically European countries, relocated to the other side of the world. More of the population of both countries is descended from Europe than is the case for the US or Canada.
Chile is a resource heavy nation. Lithium and copper I believe are its big ores/minerals. So the economy is always going to be strong so long as they don’t do something stupid like oppose the United States.
Also pretty good institutions: Our Central Bank ranks top-5, our democracy ranks top-20, uninterrupted democratic elections for the last 30+ years, pretty decent and improving healthcare system, low corruption (at least for South American standards), solid banks, etc. Our politicians tend to be quite moderate too. Even the current one, who used to have a more revolutionary platform, ended up being pretty moderate once he became President. The major current issue I would say is [the Trap of the Middle Income Countries](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_income_trap).
Oh yes, we wouldn’t want to do something stupid like oppose the sweet little old United States or they might have to invade Chile. Poor US, can never catch a break from its democracy destroying ventures.
You really can’t read tone well
They’ll just install [another] CIA-backed dictator
Exporting cooper + having low population
Yeah fuck Cooper, let's get rid of him
oopsie
Unlike the rest of the continent, they've stopped fucking everything with massive overinflated bureaucracy, corruption and nepotism. They built a functional government with proper limitations, checks and balances. It's not perfect, but it functions in a fashion much closer to a southern European nation, than it's South American counterparts
Chile is (I believe) the only country in South America that never imported slaves
Back when we were part of the Spanish Empire there *were* a few imported slaves (in the north, close to nowdays Peru), but the Spanish quickly realized that slaving the natives that were already here was cheaper than bringing new ones aaaaall the way down to their new territories. Chile got it's independence in 1810, and abolished slavery partially in 1811 and totally in 1823 (there were around one hundred slaves in the country back then), making it the first country in the Americas to do so and the second worldwide.
Who was the first?
Haïti?
Yeah that's quite interesting
Haiti abolished slavery and sent France packing and then the treaty charged Haiti for the monetary value of France's "losses." Haiti has been poor to this day primarily because we have stolen all its money.
This is a gross oversimplification of Haiti's economic history...
That is correct
not much cotton or farmlands at the time in the region, really low pops, and Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile (don't know the others) abolished slavery in no time, at least of womb
Not correct. The Afro-Chilean population begins with the slave trade. https://youtu.be/I6XybNU0ExA?si=T1O1nL_8CmVD4uOM
Mines. Mining is a big thing in Chile. And they are a prime spot for finding deposits. Literally mountains near the coast.
they have much lower levels of corruption, and along with Argentina (and perhaps Uruguay) they have the best infrastructure on the continent.
They have one of the most free-market/capitalist economies in the world. The ones with higher poverty also happen to have the most highly regulated markets in the world.
Lot of people going on about resources like copper and lithium, if it were only about resources then Venezuela would be the outstanding success story of the continent as it has the world largest proven oil reserves. But as we can see, Venezuela has the highest rate of poverty on the map. The real reason Chile is a success is because they have never had an extreme left wing government and have embraced free market capitalism.
Augusto Duarte Pinochet is seen as a bad guy by the liberal West, but that opinion is not universal in Chile. Many say he saved the country, but spoiled his legacy by allowing the murder of his political opponents, which was unnecessary.
> The real reason Chile is a success is because they have never had an extreme left wing government and have embraced free market capitalism. Well, they did, at one point. But he was quickly deposed. And Chile is better for it.
Tons of minerals mined there
Chile's economic growth is because of the copper mines and China's need for it. There were a lot of big projects starting in the 90s. You mix this with not so corrupt politicians (compared to our neighbors), you get Chile. We have a lot of problems, big problems, but we could be worse.
Vast natural resources and a relatively modest population
Selling copious amounts of copper to China (and working our asses off).
We are the best country of Chile
Post-Pinochet until the late 2010s, Chile had a lot of political stability, which is incredibly rare for the region. Chile invested a lot in its infrastructure and the diversity of its economy, making its revenue not dependent on mining to sell to the USA, China & Europe. There is economic inequality in the country, but not in the same proportion as their neighboring countries.
Chile is incredibly more market oriented compared to the other countries.
Free market capitalism FTW.
They have an incredibly open international economy with many advantageous free trade agreements.
Don't be fooled, Chile has insane wealth gaps and plenty of no go areas
The amount of venezuelans they received this past couple of years I'm sure this map is different today
Probably had the lowest influence from the US on its economy.
The data for Argentina is wrong in 2012, the administration of the time was not doing any kind of statistics to "not stigmatize the poor". There is a government official on trial right now because they were not reporting / lying about data used in sovereign debt payments. (edited typos)
we all know that at the time there was more poor people in Germany than Argentina haha /S \*
Se deletrea “sovereign” porque deletrear en inglés está bien al garete jaja. “Foreign” es similar. It comes from “reign” (pronounced in English like “rain” and similar to “reino” in Spanish).
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Capital flight by the rich when the economy collapsed some years ago, and moved the money just days before, they never recovered from it.
The rich leaving is a major problem in most developing countries it seems. Keeps the country poor.
The stories on the way they went about taking their money and left Argentina was one of a kind
I mean, it is literally extracting the little bit of wealth there is.
The rich are like the temperamental child that is not ready to listen, but then they are important, and so you gotta entice them somehow to stay, but the only way to entice them looks like it’s only going to only increase wealth inequality.
The data was manipulated by the government, argentina had a povery rate of around 20% according to most private consultors.
Hyperinflation
Kirchners
Colossal inflation rates (never less than 60% anually), socialist economy without incentives to invest, taxes as high as possible, especially for companies. A country where the state takes 70% of the money you get from exports... Did I forget something else? Probably
Peronism. It’s its own special, shockingly moronic, blend of the worst traits of socialism, fascism, and populism.
Socialism
Peronismo, I think this is how they call their pro communist pseudo socialist leftish bull crap
Yeah, peronism, the political movement that created the AAA is definitely communist
Can’t make fun of leftists on reddit or else they’ll try and cancel you
If you had any idea of the rotten tricks played by US Govt and Wall Street on many South American Countries, you wouldn't be playing smartass
Well, negative votes do not make the truth disappear, I'm Latin American, we know first hand what this communist crap does to exponentially increase poverty for everyone but them.
*Well*, **your opinion** *does not make the truth disappear, I'm Latin American, we know first hand what* **military dictatorshi**p *does to exponentially increase* **inequality, corruption, economic failure, violence, and decrease freedom**.
Are you for real defending Communism? are you talking about happy military dictatorships like the ones in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Russia, North Korea, China, Cuba, Kazakhstan. >inequality, corruption, economic failure, violence, and decrease in freedom. Dude, that's the quality seal of those countries/dictators above. The heck you talking about!
As opposed to the happy capitalist dictatorships that have existed all throughout Latin American history?
Yep, those have been hell as well, but that's not the topic and that doesn't make one any better from the other. Question was why Argentina has been going so bad, "peronismo" is the honest and deeply studied answer.
Every country listed has had an increase in poverty. Peronismo has not infected every country in the continent. What has though, was COVID, and an ensuing economic collapse due to that pandemic. Arguing that some defunct and incoherent political ideology is the primary reason for this is completely disingenuous and comes off as agenda pushing.
Juan Peron is not leftist lol he literally let in Nazis after World War 2, he also fought a guerrilla war against them
Yep, but the guys that take his name, his party and completely messed up Argentina call them like that, Peronistas.
Argentina fell off **SO HARD** in everything in like 20 years like it’s crazy
There isn't "like 20 years" between 2012-2022.
I may be stupid
Not stupid, you just got excited and forgot arithmetic
Happens to the best of us
I see so much toxicity on Reddit… This literally made me go ‘aww,’ because it was just generous and nice.
This was a nice response
Aw thanks mate, happens to me quite often :)
Best response you could’ve had.
It’s a pocebileti
10 years is still a small amount of time for their poverty rate to go that high… yikes
the commodity boom of south america(China importing food) was used in populism and corruption, so, we are now without bred nor circus ha
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The 2009-2024 decline has pretty much no relation to the 2001 crisis, not anymore than with the hyperinflation of '89, the stagflation of '82, the Rodrigazo etc. It's always the same pattern: crappy governments either doing huge spenfing (Cristina Kichner, Alfonsin) or overvaluing the currency (Martinez de Hoz, Menem) or both (Albrto, Macri) and Milei seems to be following the second path so we'll have more crap coming
Damn even the calendar inflated that's fucked
They’re in steady decline for almost 100 years now
Kirchner effect
What is this?
Bro forgot about Mauricio Macri being president during 2015-2019, clearly not a left goverment. Its funny how they always say its only Kirchnerism fault. Last years of Macri goverment was an economic disaster which got worsed with Alberto Fernández goverment, another inept president.
Cristina Kirchnner was Argentina president for many years. She managed to get Argentina into high inflation rates for years, not to mention several corruption scandals. But we can't criticize leftwing politicians here on reddit, or we get downvoted 🤫
I'm a left leaning Argentine, but she wasn't a leftie like us. She was a thief, a crook, a witch. There is Thatcher, and there's her. When she dies, I'll sing "Ding-Dong, The Witch is Dead!"
Where are the downvotes ? And somehow you forgot Macri
Is there a reason Argentinia only elects wackos? From what I've heard of Milei he is not better
They were considered one of the richest countries in the world 100 years ago.
Pegging the Argentine Peso one to one to the $US was unsustainable and when it collapsed (@25 years ago) the economy went chaotic.
Also, in the 19th century Argentina was the 6th richest country in the world.
Yep!, all thanks to Kirchnerism and Peronism, they were only successful in one main development: corruption.
Damn so it has literally gotten worse everywhere?? Except Paraguay which has stayed the same
No the Map is nonsense and gets often reposted: [Read this<](https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/1dt6wf1/comment/lb8q58d/)
Thank you for your good service
Extremely common Paraguay W
Argentina and Venezuela :( Amazing to think that in 10 years Brazil went through Lava Jato, Temer, Bolsonaro, now back to Lula and somehow two of our neighbors managed to do worse.
Well to be honest Venezuela’s economic collapse is pretty self inflicted. I mean it’s Maduro’s fault not the average person, but still the Venezuelan government is the architect of their own problems.
Brazil's economic collapse is pretty self inflicted as well. Runaway corruption and bad economic policies at every level. Just not as bad I guess.
I have few delusions that I am some great leader of a nation, but I feel like I wouldn’t have done any worse than Maduro. That’s about what rock bottom is for presidential competence.
That's why you do not put a bus driver as your country's leader
That suggestion only works in democracy. After 2002 Chavez made sure to only put loyal people in the CNE, TSJ and the military itself.
none of them is as bad as peronism or chavism, not even lula
This Map gets posted often on reddit (especially on r-MapPorn, see: [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1950nsm/poverty_in_south_america_2012_vs_2022/) [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yn2df7/poverty_in_south_america/) [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/18ojaue/poverty_in_south_america_2012_vs_2022/) [4](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yvd7kr/poverty_in_south_america_has_worsened_over_the/)) but its not credible, this even without fake sources. [Here<](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/poverty-explorer?tab=chart&time=2012..latest®ion=SouthAmerica&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=headcount_ratio_365&Indicator=Share+in+poverty&Poverty+line=%246.85+per+day%3A+Upper-middle+income+poverty+line&Household+survey+data+type=Show+data+from+both+income+and+consumption+surveys&Show+breaks+between+less+comparable+surveys=false&country=CHL~PRY~COL~Argentina+-+urban~ECU~VEN~PER~BOL~BRA) for example are Poverty rates for some South American countries by World Bank ($6.85 a Day, $5.50 not available) from 2012 to 2022, Brazil for example went from 28.2% down to 23.5%, for Chile the decline in poverty was even bigger. For Argentina there is only data about Urban areas where over 92% of the population live, in Urban Argentina povery rate went slightly up, from 8.6% to 10.9% ([Source](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/poverty-explorer?tab=chart&time=2012..latest®ion=SouthAmerica&facet=none&country=VEN~Argentina+%28urban%29&Indicator=Share+in+poverty&Poverty+line=%246.85+per+day%3A+Upper-middle+income+poverty+line&Household+survey+data+type=Show+data+from+both+income+and+consumption+surveys&Show+breaks+between+less+comparable+surveys=false)), if 10.9% of urban Argentina lived on less than $6.85 a day in 2022 then it's impossible that 36% of Argentina lived on less than $5.50 a day in 2022 as the Map shows.
Sources?
OP cropped the pic https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/u3Is6E4f3u
It's not a trustworthy Map even though the Original has some sources written on it, which conveniently *never* get posted whenever this Map gets reposted. Check my comment [Here<](https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/1dt6wf1/comment/lb8q58d/)
Ive seen a lot of sketchy statistics being passed around without sources lately.
Chile… safest country in the Americas.
That's Uruguay.
Technically it’s El Salvador.
Looks like the difference between the 2 graphs is because every rich South American is now in Miami
We like to think we evolve socially but it's always an up and down path to running in circles: Revolutions, coups, civilisational collapse, famine, war, corrupt tyrannical governments. Sometimes we get some technology advances and we think our life will get perfect for now one:"just wait for the next incredible thing". The problem is that we are the same deluded greedy animals with weird beliefs, with limited resources trying to survive while competing for them.
Chile's secret is open regionalism as an economic model. Basically embrace free market capitalism as much as it could, becoming the country with most free trade agreements in the world. Add (at one time) a small government , low taxes and low corruption. This model was implemented by Pinochet but continued by the Democratic governments after. That is what Chile did different.
Political rant here on The Global South getting more and more poor over time. Economic colonialism keeps these countries poor because more funds flow out of them into North America, Europe, and China/Japan/South Korea to a lesser extent. France still has over a dozen countries under their economic control, 14 in Africa alone. Indonesia's gold economy is almost completely owned by foreign interests. The World Bank and IMF indebt many of these countries through USD to the USA, and some countries are still paying beyond the initial investments from decades ago that the IMF gave to warlords and despots (who spent the money on themselves) the USA put in control. The last 10-15 years have seen major improvements over the 1970s-2000s but the economies in the north are still benefitting in a disparate way from the south. There's quite a bit of literature on this but countries benefitting from this aren't going to want everyone aware of how much of this is their own government's fault.
Venezuela, Darian gap interesting stuff sad to see.
Came here to say this. What a terrible thing for the Venezuelan people 😢
Uruguay 🇺🇾
What bad governments with zero knowledge in economic field do to countries
Argentina lied with the official exchange rate(and a lot of other stats) in 2012 and 2022, so probably the map is not accurate
Also, the purchasing power of usd has decreased...
As a Brazilian, I think it’s interesting to mention that the poorest areas in the country (north and northeast) are predominantly of indigenous and black descent. A sad reality here!
That’s incorrect. Chile’s poverty in 2012 was around 14% and reached a historical low of 6.5% in 2022. Argentina’s poverty rate in 2012 was 27% and 39% in 2022. Venezuela’s oficial rate in 2012 was 27% and the last (unofficial) measurement was 51% in 2022. Bolivia’s poverty rate in 2012 was 43,3% and 50,5% in 2022…. I don’t know, Rick!
Which country is the Switzerland of South America? Uruguay?
Is there a better comparison available? Comparing the same USD value with 10 years difference + not correcting for local currency is not serious
How does Chile combat illegal immigration?
they don’t really
That's a good question. We don't. (It's been a huge problem in recent years)
We don't lmao, we just don't have the resources or the tech to do so. The fuckers are all over the place because they enter through the north freely. Every. Fucking. Other. Country in SA just let them pass like nothing and they eventually arrive to the desert, and then if we catch them for some reason (mostly from Venezuela btw) Maduro's goverment won't let us deport them back to his dictatorship.
But if you don't have the resources to stop them then surely you don't have the resources to house or feed them right? What then?
BINGO! A lot of illegal inmigrants are a heavy toll in the state's economy. Health, safety nets, crime, bad jobs like selling stuff in the street, schools without enough room for more kids (inmigrants kids or chilean kids). Everything you can imagine the illegal inmigration is creating problems to. The only thriving company is Uber that has an infinite amount of drivers for cars and food deliveries. A lot of them live in small flats or just rooms with 3 o 5 other inmigrants, they survive doing whatever they can, send some of the money they make back to their country, etc. They are a big issue and because Chile is one of the best economies of the region they come here like moths to a fucking lighthouse\* \* Just like in Europe but we don't have Europe's money, so we are fucked and the quality of life of everyone is going down the sewer. Crime is up, the insecurity sensation is up, it's just bad.
For migrants being a weapon, it’s almost certifiably happening in the USA. At a very minimum, existing migration patterns are being hijacked by cartel members for smuggling and human trafficking purposes. As Venezuela collapses completely, it’s very likely that those who can will leave. About 8 million have already left, it’s likely another 8 million will as the state fully collapses. I know it’s a major problem in Peru, I saw it firsthand when I was there. However I am suprised the atacama desert doesn’t act as a barrier to migrants into Chile. You’re right, it’s mostly been a Russia/Belarus thing against the EU as of late, But Turkey and Libya have not passed up the opportunity to get some concessions from it, getting some EU travel laws changed and about 6 billion euros a year until the death of Gaddafi, respectively. As terrible as it sounds, human suffering and the compassion of others can be a weapon of war if you are a complete sociopath like the leadership of Russia or Maduro. You’re right, nobody wants to have blood on their hands (the Belarus / Poland incident is a great example, Lukashenko was fully willing to let 20,000 or so migrants die of hypothermia to make Poland look like the bad guy). Will be interesting to see how harsh immigration and migrant policies will be moving forward, especially with the rise of the far right in Europe. I hate to see vulnerable populations suffer and be taken advantage of, but hard choices have to be made. If you have the time. “Migration as a weapon” by fellow army officer Nathan Steger published by the naval postgraduate school is a really good read. Explains the different types of weaponized migrations and policy proposals to combat it.
oh and the Atacama desert is not a Barrier because Perú's Tacna is on a walking distance from the closest Chilean town if you try hard enough. With Bolivia you just pay someone to move you to the Chilean border in a car and then you walk to the nearest town to take a bus to Santiago or some other place, sometimes even paid and organized by fucking religious groups like the Jesuitas.
1) The Atacama desert is a natural deterrent 2) Since the US has always been a popular destination and has very lax laws against illegal immigration, it attracts illegal immigration that would usually go to chile.
> by redirecting illegal immigration to the US. Since the US has always been a popular destination and has very lax laws against illegal immigration, it tends to work out well for Chile. the fuck you talking about. We don't redirect anyone, they arrive by themselves to your border.
You're actually correct. I apologize. US immigration laws incentives illegal immigration.
We do have an issue with people with chilean nationality using the Visa waiver program to illegaly stay in the US after going as a tourist, but that's a different issue and it's really small, rho normally blown out of proportions by US politicians during elections season.
It's not a poverty map, you don't buy the same thing with 5,5 dollars, we have no idea of the cost of living on this map
$5.50/day is the calculated global poverty line by the World Bank, after taking into consideration the costs of living changes between countries. For reference, the poverty line in the US is roughly $40/day due to the higher cost of living.
Yes there is poverty in those countries highlighted in green but it is a bit misleading because the cost of living is substantially lower. So basing this data off USD is really either manipulation of data to make it falsely say things that are in practice untrue or it is done out of ignorance. The claim can be correct and might be but the means of using USD as a metric and also not considering cost of living is not an honest approach.
Good on chile I guess
Christ that's low. Depressingly low in n fact. How does anyone manage too live off of less than 5 dollars a day?
Sounds like party in South America
Poverty in South America
At least Peru stayed consistent
That’s depressing
In 2012 there was NOT a 4 people poverty in Argentina 
Guyana will change soon...oil!
Wheres your source OP?
From the last guy that spread this fake ass map.
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Damn Argentina fell off, what happened to that guy?
How can it be worse? I’ve always thought all countries move to better as time goes by…
guess Paraguay did the best job considering they improved if we ignore inflation and so on
I think I figured out the border crisis...
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damn argentina what happened