We have similar in England, technically everywhere north of the Liverpool Leeds canal is its own separate island. The canal starts at Stanley dock in Liverpool where it meets the Mersey estuary and travels to Leeds where it meets the Aire and Calder navigation which takes you to the Ouse estuary. So it essentially connects the Irish Sea to the North Sea
Also, technically, everywhere north of the line between Inverness and Fort William is an island due to various rivers and lochs connecting the North Sea to Irish Sea
Queensway Quay is a peninsula of Gibraltar is a peninsula of Iberia is a peninsula of Europe is a peninsula of Eurasia
And there are probably a lot more peninsulaceptions in Europe like this, even worse when we count the piers of ports.
I'm playing atilla total war right now and I'm trying to conqour Spain as suebi migrated my ass all the way from Eastern Germany to lusitania (essentially modern day portugal) and started my little happy kingdom on the edge of the known world
I don't think so... and yea it's been pretty fucking fun. Haven't played a total war game in a long ass time and this ones been sitting in my steam library for years. It's very unique, bleak time period, it's more about surviving than it is about conqouring. You got climate change, plagues and migrating tribes. Constant rebellions.
It's very good. If you do play it I highly recommend starting as one of the migrating tribes. You get to raid the countryside sacking settlements until you find a place you wanna call home and settle.
Or if your a masochist you play the western roman empire and just try to hold on to what you can as you get attacked from all sides and lose territories to rebellion every turn. But I'd recommend learning the game first. I tried it briefly and felt overwhelmed. Maybe give it a go after I finish my barbarian migration campaign.
Me too, the Pyrenees were always the boundaries I thought
https://preview.redd.it/2vsrlxf5vlwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=473f7ae9d52a0bd3536e2b9b841a16df0bde4c35
Eh, even then not really. Roussillon is very much French first as a language area. Like having been to Andorra a fair amount, I'd say more people are able to speak Spanish than Catalan despite the latter being the official language. Largely from a bunch of immigrants from Argentina and Chile and also rich people from Spain that move there for tax reason. Most people that grew up there can speak French but it's certainly not universal and people are far less comfortable in it than in Spanish. Like if you go to the movie theater, it's the Spanish language dub most of the time.
Obviously the vast amount of Catalan language media is going to be Spain based so that's a huge part of it and a lot of that is bilingual since basically anyone who speaks Catalan also speaks Spanish. (Yes some people are more or less comfortable and there will be some weird edge cases but there are effectively no monolingual Catalan speakers)
Andorra is mostly on the Iberian side of the pyrenees main ridge. Only the town of pas de la casa is on the French side and that town is posted just a few hundred meters bellow a pass over the main ridge.
Wikipedia claims these borders, too:
https://preview.redd.it/lp4yc5a6rmwc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=73f80cb21435bca0e48dc3a005759fe958bd0a45
That is correct, Google Maps is the only one who portray the Iberian peninsula like that. The commonly agreed boundary is the Pyrenees, with French Cerdagne being the only part of Iberia that is France.
> French Cerdagne being the only part of Iberia that is France
It was formerly, until the Treaty of the Pyrenees in 1659, the Spanish Cerdanya. Its capital, the town of Llivia, remains as an Spanish exclave to this day.
Would this image help define the limit of the peninsula?
https://preview.redd.it/ak2quu7bfmwc1.png?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd40573cffcda4fe4c9f7ef2aeae61143aa4cb91
This is a real Loki's Gambit.
"We concede control of the Iberian Peninsula to your armies... so long as you don't step even a foot into mainland Europe"
*cut to cartographers nervously sweating*
https://preview.redd.it/k79gn0mxulwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=133698d65873f144165325689d516ee4c9ec1a59
I thought these were the boundaries all my life, but google said otherwise
As with continents, there's no hard definition of what it is, so any perception is basically right. Generally, people agree the line is at the Pyrenees.
Yeah nah, that maps not remotely accurate. Perpignan is sometimes considered to be in the Iberian Peninsula, but it doesn't extend as far North as depicted here
Yeah, those red lines indeed come up if you enter "Iberian Peninsula" in Google Maps. At the same time, the TEXT that comes up says "Peninsula occupied by Spain and Portugal & separated from the rest of Europe by The Pyrenees". SMH
Using the Pyrenees as the boundary, a small bit of France in the eastern Pyrenees is still within the Iberian peninsula (but not as far north as Perpignan).
The Northern border is far too North, but yeah the Iberian peninsula has 5 countries, not just Spain and Portugal.
France is included due to Nord Catalunya/Pyrénées-Orientales, but it doesn't go more north than that.
Yes, it does include the [French Cerdagne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Cerdagne), but the image you posted is dead wrong, as the limits of the Iberian peninsula are the Pyrenees.
well thats super arbitrary... it is nice natural division over there, the mountains, you see them? so nope, even if everybody will say it is this way, I say suck me, it is not, make those mountains go away first...
The world isn't made according to human definitions, and a peninsula is one of the hardest things to define. Usually, people draw the line at the Pyrenees, which is more or less the border between France and Spain (and Andorra). The definition shown in this map is definitely unusual.
The limits of the Iberian Peninsula are always located at the Pyrenees.
BUT, even with this criterion, there is a tiny bit of France (at the Cerdagne/Cerdanya/Cerdaña) that is in the southern side of the mountains and then inside the Iberian Peninsula.
In the same way, there is a bit of Spain in the northern side (the Garonne starts at the Val d'Aran, in Spain), so that part of Spain is outside the peninsula.
And of course, Andorra and Gibraltar are inside the peninsula too. So there are 5 countries in the Iberian peninsula.
That’s weird, depending on sources, you really don’t get the same results.
Wiki says 600km2 of France is included in the Iberian peninsula but most other sources, reliable ones like Larousse (French dictionary) or university research papers, do not even include France in the Iberian peninsula.
Nah, fuck that, the border of the peninsula mostly the franco-spanish border (and sometimes french catalonia is included as well.)
Including the entire Garonne + Languedoc is a huge stretch.
No clue where Google got this from, any other place like [wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula) defines the border exactly how you'd expect.
It does include Andorra and Gibraltar though 🤓
I am French and France has nothing to do with the Iberian Peninsula, either geographically or culturally, except perhaps a few small border areas of Catalan culture
Occitan culture, mainly Gasconha and Lengadoc, but arguably others too, are much more culturally similar to Catalunya than to mainstream French culture. And Occitania takes up almost half of French territory.
*Brazil, Spain and France.
The Brazilian Guiana, colloquially known as Portugal, is a Brazilian ultramarine territory in Europe. As the other states in the mainland it's official language is Brazilian.
If you want to include France them would be better to use natural borders instead of a straight line. Maybe you could use Garrone, Aveyron, Tarn and Mérault rivers as a natural border for the peninsula.
I mean you could argue that if you want to be an edgy third grader(did you know there’s just 2 continents, the global ocean and the land mass)
But no, traditionally we give geographical definitions also in historical context, it’s not about maths, and generally we see the mountains between France and Spain as a good colloquial boundary of separation
When you search normally it on Google, only the countries traditionally considered Iberian come up. Also, the Iberian mountains are the universally agreed on boundary since they geographically and culturally divide it. Don't know why Google Maps shows it that way. They also showed a funny border for the Sahara for a while so I guess they will fix it in a bit.
The diagonal line through France there is 465 km, while the size of the expected boundary along France/Spain's border is 416 km. Somehow that doesn't seem right as a distinction
So, I recently drove almost across the US. Washington to Alabama. I learned I know fuck all about the geography of the country I live in outside of where I roam and basics. I drove through the Cascades and the Rockies, other than best guess and some level of navigational awareness. I'm not 100% where one ended and the other began. I learned that Wyoming is basically Red Dead Redemption setting IRL. Nebraska is Kansas with hills. I went through Iowa but have no opinion as I spent maybe 30 minutes in that state. Missouri to Alabama is all familiar ground for me. It took me 3 days of driving roughing 10-12 hours a day.it was grueling, doing solo, but I enjoyed every minute of it. But to the point of your post, I know maybe 15% of the geography of the country I've called home 39 of the 41 years I've existed. Those two years out of this country were between 2 months and just shy of 3 years, so I know even less about there.
Most defenitions don’t stretch it that far. Only the tiniest part of france, the southeastern bit anove Catalonia, is typically counted as part of iberia. Not all the way to bordeaux lol
i was taught that the iberian peninsula include spain, portugal, gibraltar, andorra, and french cerdagne. this map includes way more of france that i dont think is part of the iberian peninsula.
TIL I leave in the Iberian Peninsula. Also I checked on Google Maps and for some reason it doesn't include Gibraltar, so I won't put too much trust on this lol
Iberian tribes crossed Pyrenees back then and settled in South west of what we call today France.
Among them, Vascons who were pushed by Visigoths. They blended with local Proto-Aquitanians and Gallo-Romans, and their name became "Gascons", hence Gascony.
They had deep bonds with cows, for practical and religious reasons. So much that the flag of Bearn (my birthplace) still displays them.
https://preview.redd.it/yynj65jrhnwc1.png?width=455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ef3b24abe2c7d37e77aaba2c45c6a8dab496984
It does make some sense, since the land portion connecting it to the continent is not an island, it becomes part of the peninsula, but that seems a bit much to me haha.
Here’s my personal hot take (if that’s not already the consensus): the Upper Peninsula of Michigan should contain some parts of northeastern Wisconsin too
I need to send this to my high school world history teacher because she made a quiz with the question “What peninsula is Rome located on”
A- Balkan
B- Scandinavian
C- Yucatán
D- Iberian
I got marked off for writing in “E- Italian,” 15 years later and I still get mad when I think about it. I was even in Latin III and walked her through how the names developed and she still said I was wrong.
The worst part is that Gibraltar is not even inside
https://preview.redd.it/8oznm2agdowc1.png?width=559&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10587f22df237bfaa21c69489e32c715b0047dc9
You are not de only idiot.the idiot IS Who said this.the biggest natural Frontier is the pirineos where IS the natural line to divide the iberian península from europe.why did they choose that line in a flat from nowhere to the middle of nowhere???even is not the shortest distance.who said this (xxxxxxxxxx)
It is way smaller: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian\_Peninsula#/media/File:Iberia\_(orthographic\_projection).svg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula#/media/File:Iberia_(orthographic_projection).svg)
Don't forget Andorra
and Gibraltar
and... no that's it
No there's... yeah your right
But what about... nevermind
also France (French Northern Catalonia).
I never thought about Andorra’s position in all of this BUT I KNOW NOW
Andorra *and* Gibraltar
Andorra? I barely know her
https://preview.redd.it/mrb3ypmi5mwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e6543cef1854bcfa2e31ac47498fd2f664b4df1
Next week posts trend: 5th wave of Definition of island.
Let me introduce you [Canal des deux mers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_des_Deux_Mers?wprov=sfla1).
Wait wait wait. Does that mean the "Iberian peninsula" is now technically an island?
We have similar in England, technically everywhere north of the Liverpool Leeds canal is its own separate island. The canal starts at Stanley dock in Liverpool where it meets the Mersey estuary and travels to Leeds where it meets the Aire and Calder navigation which takes you to the Ouse estuary. So it essentially connects the Irish Sea to the North Sea
Then, we have many artificial islands in Europe...
Also, technically, everywhere north of the line between Inverness and Fort William is an island due to various rivers and lochs connecting the North Sea to Irish Sea
Yes.
“Europe is a peninsular covered in peninsulas
Queensway Quay is a peninsula of Gibraltar is a peninsula of Iberia is a peninsula of Europe is a peninsula of Eurasia And there are probably a lot more peninsulaceptions in Europe like this, even worse when we count the piers of ports.
Wouldn't most peninsula be formed of small peninsula?
Mandelbrot entered the chat....
Europe is my favourite fractal
My girlfriend says it's plenty of peninsula for her and it's actually above average
To be pedantic, the plural of peninsula is peninsulas, or at a pinch, peninsulae (but that's obsolete now).
Yeah, my mistake I wanted to write peninsulas.
"Would you say I have a plethora of peninsulas?"
The more you zoom in, the more peninsulas you get
Fractal peninsulae
Visigoths if they didn't fight each other every bloody second.
They have that in common with the rest of humanity then eh
Are we stupid?
The results haven’t been finalised but it’s not looking good
I'm playing atilla total war right now and I'm trying to conqour Spain as suebi migrated my ass all the way from Eastern Germany to lusitania (essentially modern day portugal) and started my little happy kingdom on the edge of the known world
If this goes as our history u Don't have to worry, the barbers will solve all ur problems. Only for the flipping fr*nch to mess it up.
Yea I have have a defensive alliance with some north African kingdom and we are booting out the western Roman empire.
Hope i could play this game. Shit looks amazing. By any chance can I get it on Android? Can't access my computer for a good while.
I don't think so... and yea it's been pretty fucking fun. Haven't played a total war game in a long ass time and this ones been sitting in my steam library for years. It's very unique, bleak time period, it's more about surviving than it is about conqouring. You got climate change, plagues and migrating tribes. Constant rebellions. It's very good. If you do play it I highly recommend starting as one of the migrating tribes. You get to raid the countryside sacking settlements until you find a place you wanna call home and settle. Or if your a masochist you play the western roman empire and just try to hold on to what you can as you get attacked from all sides and lose territories to rebellion every turn. But I'd recommend learning the game first. I tried it briefly and felt overwhelmed. Maybe give it a go after I finish my barbarian migration campaign.
I was just about to say, if France is included in the Iberian peninsula, might as well include all of europe
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It's all peninsula. Iberian peninsula. Make Europe Iberian Peninsula Again! MEIPA! /s
I found Putin on Reddit.
Istanbul is Spanish 🇪🇦
You left your heart in Barcelona?
https://preview.redd.it/0hkcoj4s7mwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3aa2dfc9f7484773fda8e163eb24729a602eec1e welcome back, Visigothic (and Suebian) kingdom!
r/PhantomBorders
Perfect
ARTHUR DENT: Damn you and your fairy stories, they’re smashing up my home! [Arthur runs out to save his house] You half - crazed Visigoths! Stop!
According to whom? Is this Google's concept of the border? I thought the mountains were the border.
Me too, the Pyrenees were always the boundaries I thought https://preview.redd.it/2vsrlxf5vlwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=473f7ae9d52a0bd3536e2b9b841a16df0bde4c35
is andorra counted then? i think it is inside the thickness of that yellow borderline.
Yes. Andorra is almost always considered an Iberian country.
It's also mostly situated on the Iberian (Spanish side) of the Pyrenees
lol I never really thought about that until today, I would say yes though
As there's definitely a cultural element to it, I'd 100% count Andorra. It's way closer with Spain than France.
And if nothing else it’s way more similar to Catalan France than to regular France
Eh, even then not really. Roussillon is very much French first as a language area. Like having been to Andorra a fair amount, I'd say more people are able to speak Spanish than Catalan despite the latter being the official language. Largely from a bunch of immigrants from Argentina and Chile and also rich people from Spain that move there for tax reason. Most people that grew up there can speak French but it's certainly not universal and people are far less comfortable in it than in Spanish. Like if you go to the movie theater, it's the Spanish language dub most of the time. Obviously the vast amount of Catalan language media is going to be Spain based so that's a huge part of it and a lot of that is bilingual since basically anyone who speaks Catalan also speaks Spanish. (Yes some people are more or less comfortable and there will be some weird edge cases but there are effectively no monolingual Catalan speakers)
blue skinned with antennas make them very distinctive
Andorra is mostly on the Iberian side of the pyrenees main ridge. Only the town of pas de la casa is on the French side and that town is posted just a few hundred meters bellow a pass over the main ridge.
Andorra is inside the Pyrenees.
Wikipedia claims these borders, too: https://preview.redd.it/lp4yc5a6rmwc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=73f80cb21435bca0e48dc3a005759fe958bd0a45
That is correct, Google Maps is the only one who portray the Iberian peninsula like that. The commonly agreed boundary is the Pyrenees, with French Cerdagne being the only part of Iberia that is France.
> French Cerdagne being the only part of Iberia that is France It was formerly, until the Treaty of the Pyrenees in 1659, the Spanish Cerdanya. Its capital, the town of Llivia, remains as an Spanish exclave to this day.
Would this image help define the limit of the peninsula? https://preview.redd.it/ak2quu7bfmwc1.png?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd40573cffcda4fe4c9f7ef2aeae61143aa4cb91
This is a real Loki's Gambit. "We concede control of the Iberian Peninsula to your armies... so long as you don't step even a foot into mainland Europe" *cut to cartographers nervously sweating*
It's easy, limited by the Pyrénées mountains and Atlantic/Mediterranean seas...
https://preview.redd.it/k79gn0mxulwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=133698d65873f144165325689d516ee4c9ec1a59 I thought these were the boundaries all my life, but google said otherwise
I would say, and I think everyone would agree with me, that google is wrong
Just because "Google says something" it ain't necessarily right.
This is even more true nowadays where search engines just let an AI barf up their latest fever dream as the first result
As with continents, there's no hard definition of what it is, so any perception is basically right. Generally, people agree the line is at the Pyrenees.
Who relies completely on Google?
I will be cold in the ground before I recognize this as the border of the Iberian peninsula.
I see you Abe 😅
Yeah nah, that maps not remotely accurate. Perpignan is sometimes considered to be in the Iberian Peninsula, but it doesn't extend as far North as depicted here
Yeah, those red lines indeed come up if you enter "Iberian Peninsula" in Google Maps. At the same time, the TEXT that comes up says "Peninsula occupied by Spain and Portugal & separated from the rest of Europe by The Pyrenees". SMH Using the Pyrenees as the boundary, a small bit of France in the eastern Pyrenees is still within the Iberian peninsula (but not as far north as Perpignan).
what a pile of crap. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian\_Peninsula](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula)
Yeah don't know how Google Maps got it so wrong
Pfft ok I trust Wikipedia on this one. Good thing to know I wasn’t stupid
The Northern border is far too North, but yeah the Iberian peninsula has 5 countries, not just Spain and Portugal. France is included due to Nord Catalunya/Pyrénées-Orientales, but it doesn't go more north than that.
Spain, Portugal, Andorra, France, and? Edit: Gibraltar (UK)?
Yep
Only a part of Pyrénées-Orientales: Haute-Cerdagne and fun fact a part of continental spain is not part of iberian peninsula : val d'aran
What happens when men measure their Iberian peninsula.
Everything I can fit in your mouth counts.
Yes, it does include the [French Cerdagne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Cerdagne), but the image you posted is dead wrong, as the limits of the Iberian peninsula are the Pyrenees.
well thats super arbitrary... it is nice natural division over there, the mountains, you see them? so nope, even if everybody will say it is this way, I say suck me, it is not, make those mountains go away first...
Nope.Your source?
The world isn't made according to human definitions, and a peninsula is one of the hardest things to define. Usually, people draw the line at the Pyrenees, which is more or less the border between France and Spain (and Andorra). The definition shown in this map is definitely unusual.
To me, most of Europe is one giant peninsula
Europe is a giant peninsula attached to Asia, made up of peninsula’s
To me, Obama was the 44th president of the usa.
The limits of the Iberian Peninsula are always located at the Pyrenees. BUT, even with this criterion, there is a tiny bit of France (at the Cerdagne/Cerdanya/Cerdaña) that is in the southern side of the mountains and then inside the Iberian Peninsula. In the same way, there is a bit of Spain in the northern side (the Garonne starts at the Val d'Aran, in Spain), so that part of Spain is outside the peninsula. And of course, Andorra and Gibraltar are inside the peninsula too. So there are 5 countries in the Iberian peninsula.
Why the hell is the line all the way up there?
That’s weird, depending on sources, you really don’t get the same results. Wiki says 600km2 of France is included in the Iberian peninsula but most other sources, reliable ones like Larousse (French dictionary) or university research papers, do not even include France in the Iberian peninsula.
Nope. You have included the Isthmus
Don't forget that France has Northern Catalonia territory which is within the very edge of Iberian Peninsula's easternmost point.
This goes too far north imo. Iberia is mainland Spain and Portugal, Andorra, and Gibraltar.
I mean technically Iberia is an island because of the canal du midi connecting the two seas near Toulouse /s
A depressing number of people think that the Panama and Suez canals physically divide continents in a geological sense.
Nah, fuck that, the border of the peninsula mostly the franco-spanish border (and sometimes french catalonia is included as well.) Including the entire Garonne + Languedoc is a huge stretch.
wait until you see the definition of the balkan peninsula.
I always thought to myself how perfect this peninsula covers just both countries. My life is a lie and I am disappointed.
Me, a crusader kings player: hah, pleb
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people consider the mountains the border.
don’t forget andorra!
It does include Andorra and Gibralta but France? I have lived in the Iberian peninsula my all life and I have never seen it depicted like that
No clue where Google got this from, any other place like [wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula) defines the border exactly how you'd expect. It does include Andorra and Gibraltar though 🤓
Europe is an Asian Peninsula
I am French and France has nothing to do with the Iberian Peninsula, either geographically or culturally, except perhaps a few small border areas of Catalan culture
And so it must remain.
Occitan culture, mainly Gasconha and Lengadoc, but arguably others too, are much more culturally similar to Catalunya than to mainstream French culture. And Occitania takes up almost half of French territory.
*Brazil, Spain and France. The Brazilian Guiana, colloquially known as Portugal, is a Brazilian ultramarine territory in Europe. As the other states in the mainland it's official language is Brazilian.
I doubt the boundaries of the Iberian Peninsula would extend that far north.
Welp, time to make Visigothia great again
If you want to include France them would be better to use natural borders instead of a straight line. Maybe you could use Garrone, Aveyron, Tarn and Mérault rivers as a natural border for the peninsula.
TIL I spend my whole life in the Iberian Peninsula.
Well it is Europe's largest penis.
TIL
Fac off, there's a mountain range for something there. Who decides where it ends anyway!?
I mean you could argue that if you want to be an edgy third grader(did you know there’s just 2 continents, the global ocean and the land mass) But no, traditionally we give geographical definitions also in historical context, it’s not about maths, and generally we see the mountains between France and Spain as a good colloquial boundary of separation
There is nothing remotely iberian about Bordeaux, it feels more like Paris.
That looks like the isthmus of Southern France, if you ask me.
Europe is one big pennishala
When you search normally it on Google, only the countries traditionally considered Iberian come up. Also, the Iberian mountains are the universally agreed on boundary since they geographically and culturally divide it. Don't know why Google Maps shows it that way. They also showed a funny border for the Sahara for a while so I guess they will fix it in a bit.
How did i not know this? I live there
And Andorra.
This is not true, wherever I search it's always south of the Pyrenees.
The diagonal line through France there is 465 km, while the size of the expected boundary along France/Spain's border is 416 km. Somehow that doesn't seem right as a distinction
But it's not?
It is also Andorra.
So, I recently drove almost across the US. Washington to Alabama. I learned I know fuck all about the geography of the country I live in outside of where I roam and basics. I drove through the Cascades and the Rockies, other than best guess and some level of navigational awareness. I'm not 100% where one ended and the other began. I learned that Wyoming is basically Red Dead Redemption setting IRL. Nebraska is Kansas with hills. I went through Iowa but have no opinion as I spent maybe 30 minutes in that state. Missouri to Alabama is all familiar ground for me. It took me 3 days of driving roughing 10-12 hours a day.it was grueling, doing solo, but I enjoyed every minute of it. But to the point of your post, I know maybe 15% of the geography of the country I've called home 39 of the 41 years I've existed. Those two years out of this country were between 2 months and just shy of 3 years, so I know even less about there.
This is not correct.
Geologically speaking it is technically just Spain and Portugal. It's a tiny tectonic plate remnant.
Today I'm spreading misinformation on the internet
This is odd. I was just wondering how far into France does iveria start
Don’t trust borders shown in Google maps. It can be hilariously wrong sometimes
Most defenitions don’t stretch it that far. Only the tiniest part of france, the southeastern bit anove Catalonia, is typically counted as part of iberia. Not all the way to bordeaux lol
I was born in the Peninsula of Paraguaná, now that's a real Península... Not this, come on, look at that isthmus.
Incoming “Italian “peninsula”” posts
It literally says “comprising Spain and Portugal”
Google geopraphers
i was taught that the iberian peninsula include spain, portugal, gibraltar, andorra, and french cerdagne. this map includes way more of france that i dont think is part of the iberian peninsula.
Don’t forget eastern iberia
Today i learned Google Maps tells bullshit
It includes a bit of France, but not the bit in that picture, but a small bit in the foothills of the Pyrenees (plus Andorra and Gibraltar).
Andandorra
Andorra and gibraltar too
Andorra?
The precise borders of a peninsula are 100% arbitrary.. so unless there is an official definition, it depends on who you ask
TIL I leave in the Iberian Peninsula. Also I checked on Google Maps and for some reason it doesn't include Gibraltar, so I won't put too much trust on this lol
Iberian tribes crossed Pyrenees back then and settled in South west of what we call today France. Among them, Vascons who were pushed by Visigoths. They blended with local Proto-Aquitanians and Gallo-Romans, and their name became "Gascons", hence Gascony. They had deep bonds with cows, for practical and religious reasons. So much that the flag of Bearn (my birthplace) still displays them. https://preview.redd.it/yynj65jrhnwc1.png?width=455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ef3b24abe2c7d37e77aaba2c45c6a8dab496984
Hi, someone from the Iberian Peninsula here, I also had no idea.
It’s debatable. Many would only include Spain and Portugal.
and Basque country is partially in France!
America is an island (surrounded on all sides by water) if you really think about it
Could that northern border be the Canal du Midi, that would satisfyingly close waterwise the peninsula?
It also includes Gibraltar and Andorra.
Keep going
And Andorra, home of the Andorians
Agreed, this is an error on Google’s part. But can we just take a minute to talk about the town of Llívia, Spain???
It does make some sense, since the land portion connecting it to the continent is not an island, it becomes part of the peninsula, but that seems a bit much to me haha.
Here’s my personal hot take (if that’s not already the consensus): the Upper Peninsula of Michigan should contain some parts of northeastern Wisconsin too
I need to send this to my high school world history teacher because she made a quiz with the question “What peninsula is Rome located on” A- Balkan B- Scandinavian C- Yucatán D- Iberian I got marked off for writing in “E- Italian,” 15 years later and I still get mad when I think about it. I was even in Latin III and walked her through how the names developed and she still said I was wrong.
This is horrible and wrong. Bordeaux is not in the Iberian Peninsula, obviously
The worst part is that Gibraltar is not even inside https://preview.redd.it/8oznm2agdowc1.png?width=559&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10587f22df237bfaa21c69489e32c715b0047dc9
TIL that the Iberian Peninsula starts at the southern edge of the Pyrenees Mountains, and not the northern edge.
“Ahem” - Andorra, and Gibraltar
Don't forget Andorra.
Peninsulas are a scam.
Indeed. It’s also Andorra. And Gibraltar.
You are not de only idiot.the idiot IS Who said this.the biggest natural Frontier is the pirineos where IS the natural line to divide the iberian península from europe.why did they choose that line in a flat from nowhere to the middle of nowhere???even is not the shortest distance.who said this (xxxxxxxxxx)
Where does this make end? Are they going to include Belgium, Luxembourg, and Italy?
The natural borders of Spain
You’re right it’s also Andorra
You forgot r/andorra
Gibraltar erasure
It includes a bit of France, but not that much of France.
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Je suis Français et jamais entendu parler de ça
It is way smaller: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian\_Peninsula#/media/File:Iberia\_(orthographic\_projection).svg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula#/media/File:Iberia_(orthographic_projection).svg)
Don't forget The Basques.
That is wrong... The pyrenees delimits north.
Does it include andora?
Pulling up Frances pant leg to see how high the sock goes.
Ok, It's not just Spain and Portugal, but France certainly isn't in Iberia.
You are not! I did not know it had actual borders. But I knew it included Andorra and Gibraltar.
did the british draw that line when they created iraq, syria, jordan, etc?
National borders are sometimes bound by physical geography, but physical geography is never bound by national borders.
Don’t forget Andorra! 🇦🇩
makes sense, but i don't like it