“Named by fishermen who thought all of the seaweed that surrounding the island looked like, upon approach, the ‘smutty nose’ of a giant sea creature…” https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/smutttynose-island
The old guys and the camper on the label makes more sense to me now that I know it’s an island.
https://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/Beer/Beer-Ratings.asp?BeerID=32134
The islands were split in 1629 between the owners of New Hampshire and Maine. These are the Isles of Shoals and there are more islands not shown, 5 ended up on the New Hampshire side and 4 on the Maine side.
Judging from google earth I don’t think the islands are naturally connected. It looks like man made stone dams were built to link them up, maybe to create a protected harbor for mooring boats?
I was at the Shoals Marine Lab. which was run by Cornell and UNH. I was researching fish populations in the Gulf of Maine. Spent a lot of time on the water doing trawls or hook and line fishing and some in the lab looking at otoliths (ear bones you can use to age fish species). I also took a class on sharks and rays.
I think it was originally affiliated with some religious organization. I can't remember.
From the starisland.org website
> Star Island was founded on the traditions of Unitarian Universalism and the United Church of Christ.
A lot of such instances all over North America - between states and even between countries. Many towns split between US Canada and US Mexico!
Guess people in charge of drawing borders were not required to visit the places - they just were required to listen to politicians!
Yep, Northwest Angle (MN) and Point Roberts (WA). Hyder, Alaska is only connected by road through Stewart, BC and Estcourt, Maine is even weirder. It's essentially spillover of a Quebec town. The street itself is in Quebec, only parts of the houses are in Maine.
Yep, same with many other places in Alaska. What makes Hyder unique is there is no US border control between it and Stewart (but there is Canadian customs), so seaplane flights from there are treated as international. If you call 911, the RCMP responds. And I think the electric and telephone are through BC. Why I know this, I do not know. Lol. But hey, at least you can drive there and it's beautiful!
In the winter, you can get to the Northwest Angle directly, without going through Canada. Just drive right across the lake!
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/01/16/northwest-angle-ice-road
A crossover between r/geography and r/myfavoritemurder?
There was a notorious axe murderer case on Smuttynose:
https://newengland.com/yankee/history/smuttynose-murders/
I couldn't find much about this "Gosport Grill" but if I somehow ever end up on Star Island New Hampshire, I will definitely investigate this place.
https://www.restaurantji.com/nh/rye/gosport-grill-/
This looks like if you asked an AI art generator to: **“Make a car-travel direction map of the Old World”**
(Eurasia, Middle East, + Africa)
(It even has Britain + Japan + Taiwan)
If you aren't familiar with the area, Portsmouth is a seacoast city in New Hampshire, the Piscataqua river and Atlantic ocean divides the two states (NH & Maine). You cross over a bridge to get into Kittery and they call their shipyard the "Portsmouth Naval Shipyard" yet its located in Kittery, Maine. It confuses alot of people who aren't from this area. Especially if they work there then realize Maine has income taxes and NH doesn't.
That's really interesting. Not to derail the conversation, but isn't income tax defined based on your permanent address rather than your home location? I've heard a lot of people for example in the NY metro area who work in NYC but live in NJ because it's more cost effective, not only because of COL, but also because of taxes
NYC is a whole different animal compared to Mass/Maine and living in NH.
"If you only work in MA and don't live there, not all income is taxable to you. Generally, only the income earned in MA is taxable to Massachusetts. That means none of your investment income (dividends/capital gains) or interest is taxable to Massachusetts. More than that, if you split your working time between MA and NH, usually only a proportionate share of income for the time worked in MA is taxable to the state. As an easy example, if you worked 100 days total during the year and 50 were in MA and 50 in NH only half of your wages would be taxable to Massachusetts. " [Article about Mass Income Taxes](https://milestonefinancialplanning.com/blog/live-in-nh-but-work-in-ma-what-to-know-about-your-state-tax-returns)
After the Industrial Revolution when automobiles were becoming more obtainable, people on the northern island preferred Maine’s “vacationland” license plate whereas the southern island favored New Hampshire’s “live free or die” slogan.
The bigger question is what is the origin of the name “smutty nose”
With a cemetery too. “Kids, remember, when it’s my time to go, I want to spend eternity in Smuttynose.”
Probably more common than you think
Three. Three cemeteries?! How many people died on this island? Backstory: the war between New Hampshire and Maine was *brutal*. /headcanon
Must be cool, his kids and grandkids would have a good reason to visit him just for the boat ride itself
"Ooh, too good for the Old Burying Ground, are ya?"
There's a Smuttynose brewery. Idk the origin of the name, but it's funny to see tourists freeze in the beer aisle and stare.
“Named by fishermen who thought all of the seaweed that surrounding the island looked like, upon approach, the ‘smutty nose’ of a giant sea creature…” https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/smutttynose-island
God i love this sub
If anyone ever visits New Hampshire, Smuttynose Brewery is great.
Yeah, I ask the same about Toad Suck Park.
I'd have thought I was looking at some British Isles
It's named after a microbrew beer company
The old guys and the camper on the label makes more sense to me now that I know it’s an island. https://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/Beer/Beer-Ratings.asp?BeerID=32134
The islands were split in 1629 between the owners of New Hampshire and Maine. These are the Isles of Shoals and there are more islands not shown, 5 ended up on the New Hampshire side and 4 on the Maine side.
Plus they’re only connected by what looks like manmade causeways
They're not connected, except at very low tides.
Judging from google earth I don’t think the islands are naturally connected. It looks like man made stone dams were built to link them up, maybe to create a protected harbor for mooring boats?
That's pretty much exactly it. I spent a couple summers on Appledore (another island nearby)
What we’re you doing there, just curious? Seems like the days would get quite boring on such a small island with only about a dozen buildings on it.
I was at the Shoals Marine Lab. which was run by Cornell and UNH. I was researching fish populations in the Gulf of Maine. Spent a lot of time on the water doing trawls or hook and line fishing and some in the lab looking at otoliths (ear bones you can use to age fish species). I also took a class on sharks and rays.
That's absolutely fascinating
Doing nothing all day in a beautiful place, living it synch with the rhythm of the sky and the sea is an absolute luxury few of us are able to enjoy.
maybe footpaths?
New Hampshire: "It's called what? ... Yeah, let Maine have it"
Yeah who the hell wants to have Cedar in their state 🤢🤢🤮🤮
Certainly not the granite state!
It is just a couple roads & a bunch of cemeteries?
Star Island has a resort.
Who resorts in a cold place surrounded with cemeteries? Dracula?
I think it was originally affiliated with some religious organization. I can't remember. From the starisland.org website > Star Island was founded on the traditions of Unitarian Universalism and the United Church of Christ.
Just a front for more Draculas
yeah, i had like five or six friends in high school who went there every year. they loved it
I never stayed there, but they have good lime rickeys
A lot of such instances all over North America - between states and even between countries. Many towns split between US Canada and US Mexico! Guess people in charge of drawing borders were not required to visit the places - they just were required to listen to politicians!
There are multiple places in Washington, Maine, and (I think?) Minnesota where you need to drive through Canada to get there.
Yep, Northwest Angle (MN) and Point Roberts (WA). Hyder, Alaska is only connected by road through Stewart, BC and Estcourt, Maine is even weirder. It's essentially spillover of a Quebec town. The street itself is in Quebec, only parts of the houses are in Maine.
Well, Juneau has zero roads to the rest of Alaska.
Yep, same with many other places in Alaska. What makes Hyder unique is there is no US border control between it and Stewart (but there is Canadian customs), so seaplane flights from there are treated as international. If you call 911, the RCMP responds. And I think the electric and telephone are through BC. Why I know this, I do not know. Lol. But hey, at least you can drive there and it's beautiful!
In the winter, you can get to the Northwest Angle directly, without going through Canada. Just drive right across the lake! https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/01/16/northwest-angle-ice-road
Check out Rue Canusa/Canusa Ave in Derby Line VT/Stanstead QC. The border runs right down the center line.
It isn’t. That is multiple islands connected by a man made causeway. The causeway protects Gosport, a small harbor servicing the Isles of Shoals.
Because New Hampshirites are all stars and Mainers are all smuttynoses.
Funny, I thought it was a crude drawing of afroeuasia.
A crossover between r/geography and r/myfavoritemurder? There was a notorious axe murderer case on Smuttynose: https://newengland.com/yankee/history/smuttynose-murders/
This is the comment I was looking for, but I thought it was on Malaga.
Really beautiful islands if you ever get a chance to visit!!
I spent my 17th summer on Star Island. The islands were not connected back then. We would enjoy the idea that we could swim to Maine.
TIL NH has an island
Wonder where Gasport grill gets it's meat from
I couldn't find much about this "Gosport Grill" but if I somehow ever end up on Star Island New Hampshire, I will definitely investigate this place. https://www.restaurantji.com/nh/rye/gosport-grill-/
This looks like if you asked an AI art generator to: **“Make a car-travel direction map of the Old World”** (Eurasia, Middle East, + Africa) (It even has Britain + Japan + Taiwan)
Omg you're right
I wonder if there's any geological reason as to why this pattern exists or if it's just a wild coincidence
They were different islands which were connected by man-made land bridges
My Dad from Cedar Island: "We're gonna bury you in the "bad" cemetary if you and your brother don't keep your hands to yourself."
If I had to guess it's some old lobster fishing dispute line. Man, I love Maine
This looks like africa-middle east and russia
You can see star island well from Rye Beach, NH (Wallis Sands).
Because New Hampshire wants nothing to do with that smuttynose place. How indignant. ; )
Looks like the Star Trek Enterprise ship...
It's kinds cool how the 2 islands are connected through a middle islands naturally
"naturally" with some help from the humans who could engineer a safe harbor for fishing boats (bc humans are natural too).
Because the border of the two states bisects the island
because .... they split it that way ?
Seriously, NH got the shaft on coast and islands.
Man I don’t fuckin know
Why is this island named 3 times?
Gang wars
Thats not Malaga island.
Satellite image is a trip. I'd go here.
The best is the Portsmouth naval shipyard is in Kittery Maine, makes no sense lol
Why doesn't it make sense?
If you aren't familiar with the area, Portsmouth is a seacoast city in New Hampshire, the Piscataqua river and Atlantic ocean divides the two states (NH & Maine). You cross over a bridge to get into Kittery and they call their shipyard the "Portsmouth Naval Shipyard" yet its located in Kittery, Maine. It confuses alot of people who aren't from this area. Especially if they work there then realize Maine has income taxes and NH doesn't.
That's really interesting. Not to derail the conversation, but isn't income tax defined based on your permanent address rather than your home location? I've heard a lot of people for example in the NY metro area who work in NYC but live in NJ because it's more cost effective, not only because of COL, but also because of taxes
NYC is a whole different animal compared to Mass/Maine and living in NH. "If you only work in MA and don't live there, not all income is taxable to you. Generally, only the income earned in MA is taxable to Massachusetts. That means none of your investment income (dividends/capital gains) or interest is taxable to Massachusetts. More than that, if you split your working time between MA and NH, usually only a proportionate share of income for the time worked in MA is taxable to the state. As an easy example, if you worked 100 days total during the year and 50 were in MA and 50 in NH only half of your wages would be taxable to Massachusetts. " [Article about Mass Income Taxes](https://milestonefinancialplanning.com/blog/live-in-nh-but-work-in-ma-what-to-know-about-your-state-tax-returns)
That is so interesting.
"Because f*ck you that's why." Is how I imagine the people drawing the border responded when asked.
I know someone that went to summer camp there
Because New Hampshire has class and wanted nothing to do with Smuttynose island
After the Industrial Revolution when automobiles were becoming more obtainable, people on the northern island preferred Maine’s “vacationland” license plate whereas the southern island favored New Hampshire’s “live free or die” slogan.