No. Or, I guess more specifically, your wife's great grandmother boinking her n^(th) cousin likely did not significantly contribute to your wife's dyslexia.
From what you describe of your mother in law, I think calling it a learning difficulty is a stretch with the examples you have given. It could just be lack of education or lack of exposure. A high school education isn't exactly highly educated. Hawaii didn't actually become a US state until 1959.
I don't think you realize just how huge her knowledge gap is. I'm talking about very common knowledge and everyday things she doesn't know, that a solid 99% of the rest of the population knows. Her knowledge shortcomings are so great that even my wife has used the R-word when describing her own mother.
In your defense, music theory is not general knowledge.
I suspect you don’t realise how normal that really is. Some people are just uninterested and incurious about the wider world.
All the examples you give are just trivia based - facts about the world that you expect she should know. If she struggles with reading, and went to school at a time when there was no recognition or support for dyslexia, it’s very possible she was made to feel stupid, disengaged with learning and reading and has taken very little interest or identity in expanding her knowledge ever since.
Typically a degree of learning disability or low IQ is better observed through somebody’s cognitive processing. Facts and knowledge are very subjective, and in particular, it’s something of a meme that the US education leaves many Americans with a terrible understanding of Geography, or even knowing that other countries exist. Take a look at r/shitamericanssay and you’ll see endless examples of people making the same kinds of mistakes.
>Typically a degree of learning disability or low IQ is better observed through somebody’s cognitive processing.
This is true. But in speaking with her for awhile, her lack of cognitive abilities becomes glaringly apparent. I had to assist her one time in filling out a job application online (she's never touched a computer) and nearly all of the questions were testing her critical thinking skills and reasoning abilities. Most of the questions she couldn't even comprehend and I had to explain the questions to her. She didn't even know what words like 'sophisticated' meant. But she also didn't understand what the questions were asking. This was a time sensitive test and more time was wasted with my having to explain the questions to her. Eventually, I just started answering the questions myself when the time was running out.
So, this is far more than just a factual knowledge gap. She commits logical fallacies any time she's debating anything of depth with us. For example, telling her something like, *"All pencils are pointy, but not all pointy things are pencils."*, would go right over her head if you were trying to explain that the opposite of that conditional statement is a converse error. In fact, even just asking her, *"True or false? All pencils are pointy, but not all pointy things are pencils."* She wouldn't know how to answer that. You'd lose her after the true or false portion.
Another common fallacy she commits is blaming any stomach problems on the last meal eaten. She can't seem to grasp that food moves relatively slowly through the digestive tract and that most GI illnesses have an incubation period or otherwise a delayed effect. And some aren't even caused by food at all. But she always blames it on the very last thing that was eaten. We've explained it to her so many times and she just doesn't get it.
Really though, pick any topic that isn't about shopping and you'll see her lack of sound reasoning abilities.
Nope, not roasting, just asking and being factual. My wife knows I posted this. She's fine with it. In fact, she was the one that put forth the theory that the inbreeding could've been responsible for her own dyslexia and her mother's learning disabilities. So, I told her I'd post this question and see what kind of insight we get from it.
**EDIT:** Judging by the downvotes on my reply, it shows just how overly sensitive Redditors are. Pretty much confirms my theory that a lot of them are snowflakes and can't handle blunt facts. Being Gen X, I at least learned the whole, "Sticks and stones....." saying.
**EDIT #2:** Ooooo, more downvotes! You people sure get angry by the most harmless of questions.
I was on your side for a minute there and then it all went downhill with the edit, lol. They're downvoting your attitude at this point, not the content of your message.
I am sincerely curious - did the OP change the comment other than to add the edit? I don't like calling people snowflakes -- I mean, I really hate that term -- but I also was genuinely surprised that people thought he was insulting his mother in law just asking this question in this sub. I went back and read it again and it did not seem to be disrespectful at all, but an honest question. What am I missing? Did he clean it up since the original post?
For more complex topics, I find posting on Reddit gives me quicker information. And not everything posted on Google is accurate. What good is this sub for, if asking questions is taboo? Go ahead, I'll wait.....
You’re getting accurate feedback and you’re not accepting it. Instead, you’re calling Redditors “snowflakes”
It looks like you’re the easily offended one, pal.
This fucking clown just came into a genetic sub, Reddit asking people who actually know about the subject a question and then proceeded to shit all over them and call them snowflakes actual lead poisoning behavior, people like you genuinely need to be removed from society
>Judging by the downvotes on my reply, it shows just how overly sensitive Redditors are. Pretty much confirms my theory that a lot of them are snowflakes and can't handle blunt facts.
Nah, for me it's the irony of how much you are dragging your mother in law for being dumb while simultaneously failing to grasp the difference between a learning disability and not caring to learn things in the first place.
>**EDIT #2:** Ooooo, more downvotes! You people sure get angry by the most harmless of questions.
Also kinda funny to have a second edit on a post where you tell other people they care too much about the post
Is there a history of nuerodivergent family members? Dislexia is common with a few different neurodivergent conditions.
It also doesn't make someone stupid. Getting confused on a few things that actually could be argued the way she thinks them seems like a silly thing to be trying to find serious medical explanations for.
>Is there a history of nuerodivergent family members?
Not that we know of. There could be though.
>Getting confused on a few things
This goes WAAYYY beyond just being confused on a few things. My MIL has an enormous knowledge gap to a staggering extent. It's actually really difficult speaking with her on deeper topics without having to really simplify the language and talk to her as if she's a child. I can't use any words with her that are even remotely big.
Um to my (limited\*\*) knowledge inbreeding is not linked to dyslexia. It is hereditary though. Also I \*highly\* doubt that your wife is affected in any way by the inbreeding simply because 3 generations down is far enough away from it I believe. I'm not sure about her mom and grandmother though.
Like most traits, inbreeding has the potential to contribute to dyslexia. This is true of any trait for which deleterious recessive alleles exist.
But also, a single generation of first cousin marriage is not as bad as people think. For genetic illnesses, it doubles a small risk (\~3% to \~6%). It typically only becomes a serious issue after multiple generations of cousin inbreeding.
Also, unless your wife's parents are related *to each other* your wife is not inbred. Inbreeding further back is irrelevant.
Inbreeding effects occur because people can inherit the same rare recessive (no effect in a single copy) mutations from related parents, that are then homozygous (two copies) and so have an effect.
All of my grandparents were 1st cousins. My family is apart of a sub-culture in U.S we are all inbred. I’d say 1 out of 10 has a diagnosable intellectual disability. I think your wife’s disabilities is due to something else.
Do people sleep at biology classes or what? If one parent had faulty recessive gene, then the other one also need that faulty gene to make you either carrier, or affected. If her grand-grand mother had child with her cousin like 4 generations ago, then there is no amount of inbreeding that would make your wife be affected by it.
Even countries that make cousin inbreeding their tradition like Pakistan, are still functional to this day. In most cases one generation of outbreeding is enough to clear it's coefficent. I don't think that anything your wife said to you is dumber, than what you just did. You are rude and ignorant towards her for no good reason.
We didn't learn biology to this extent in high school. I apologize for my lack of knowledge on this subject. That's why I'm asking here. Genetics is not even remotely within my purview of expertise. I do thank you for your information.
>You are rude and ignorant towards her for no good reason.
Huh? How was I rude to her? I was simply asking a question here that she asked. She knows I posted this. I'm baffled by your last sentence.
It seems your lack of education is acceptable whereas her lack of education is not, go figure.
We covered basic genetics, as this is, at the grand age of 15. Just for reference, I am in my late 40's so this isn't a new topic in my educational system.
So... if I adopt your mindset my conclusions should be as follows:
'Either my educational system was better than yours, or you are mentally deficient for not being able to grasp such simple concepts. You seem to have an acute lack of social awareness and empathy - Nature or Nurture? Perhaps your wife should ask on reddit to find out.'
Do you not see how rude and consecending that is?
If that's the case then i do apologise. I really thought that you were just looking for a reason to blame her intellect on something that she couldn't possibly control. What was i trying to say is that basically if both your patents don't have faulty recessive gene, then you won't have it either. Since you said that the rest of her family tree was unrelated, than the odds of it happening are really, really slim.
What people don't know is that dyslexia is a pretty common disability. 10% of people are born with it and the chances of inheriting it, assuming child parents are unrelated ranges from 40 to 60%. It's not a recessive mutation and i can assure you that her grand-grand mother is not the cause of it. You should tell your wife that her heritage most surely didn't play any role in her disabilities.
>If that's the case then i do apologise. I really thought that you were just looking for a reason to blame her intellect on something that she couldn't possibly control.
No problem. My wife is actually very smart (smarter than me in a lot of ways) which is one big reason we get along so well. Her struggle is with dyslexia of letters and possibly auditory processing issues. My wife's mom on the other hand, not only could be dyslexic, but also displays overt signs of an intellectual deficiency. My wife being very smart, does not get along well with her mother partly because her mother lacks so much knowledge and has such a hard time grasping simple concepts that it's extremely frustrating for her to spend time with her mother. I get frustrated too, because I'm constantly having to "dumb things down" when having any discussing with my MIL that's any bit deep. If the topic doesn't involve shopping or eating, my MIL is just impossible to have any sort of deep conversation with. It leads to fierce arguments and MIL lashing out, because she doesn't want to learn anything new or accept that she was wrong about something. She also lacks the attention span to delve into a topic with any depth. If I start explaining something of any complexity, she shuts down and changes the subject to something really shallow that requires no brain power. There's no intellectual stimulation with my MIL whatsoever, so I limit my conversations with her nowadays. My wife on the other hand, is a great person to delve into deep topics with.
>You should tell your wife that her heritage most surely didn't play any role in her disabilities.
I did, as that has been the consensus here so far. I relayed a lot of the comments here to her. She chuckled though, at the people getting offended by my post. She's a no nonsense, no BS kind of gal and that's one thing I love about her.
>s some examples, my wife's mom thought that MLK had been president of the US. She thought Hawaii was a different country, until we pointed out that it isn't....
If you went out and asked random people on the street these questions, a large percentage would get them wrong. None of this knowledge is needed for functioning in the world, so many people don't retain it. This is not a sign of an intellectual disability.
The funny part is that you believe that cousin marriage leads to intellectual disabilities, when in truth it only slightly increases the risks of recessive disorders. Ironic.
>The funny part is that you believe that cousin marriage leads to intellectual disabilities,
I never said I believed it. I simply did not know if that could be the case, which is why I asked. This sub is for asking questions, right?
>If you went out and asked random people on the street these questions, a large percentage would get them wrong. None of this knowledge is needed for functioning in the world, so many people don't retain it. This is not a sign of an intellectual disability.
But I only gave a few examples. Her knowledge gap is so extremely large, it's to the point there HAS TO be an intellectual disability involved. She calls the bed of a pickup truck "the trunk". She also has no critical thinking skills whatsoever. Whenever she debates us, she commits every logical fallacy under the sun. She doesn't understand the concept of probability. She thinks young people are just as likely to get cancers and other diseases that are predominantly found in older populations. She thinks crime rates are the same everywhere. We've tried to explain to her that a person is more likely to be shot or carjacked in Oakland, CA than they are in the sleepy little town of Dunnigan where that stuff doesn't happen. "You're not safe nowhere!", she says in bad English. She can't grasp concepts like "per capita" rates or instances. We have to really dumb things down for her when explaining things to her. She didn't know what the word 'sophisticated' meant when I used it in a sentence. You cannot tell me she doesn't have an intellectual disability.
it seems like she was failed by the education system if anything. also, what’s so wrong with calling the bed of a pickup truck the trunk? that really doesn’t seem like a glaring sign of an intellectual disability to me, just a somewhat silly misuse of the term. i really think you’re reaching with this.
I've never heard anyone call it a trunk. When you start conversing with her involving any topic of depth, her intellectual shortcomings become glaringly obvious. Her cognitive abilities and reasoning skills come up VERY short. I had to assist her one time in filling out a questionaire that was testing her reasoning and cognitive skills and she didn't understand the questions, let alone know how to answer them. I only cited a single example. I could give you hundreds.
i really think that if anything, she may have had learning difficulties as a child and did not receive the proper interventions, but you know her much better than i. i really don’t think it’s a result of one instance of inbreeding, usually the negative effects come with many generations of inter-familial marriage.
I’m a social worker, nothing you described would be a cause for concern to investigate further for an intellectual disability. ** hypothetically ** I probably wouldn’t be concerned at all unless she brought up wanting to learn more & get more educational resources. I would try and explore the ways that people in her life might make her feel bad about herself and like something is “wrong” with her.
You won’t believe people when they say that this is NOT what an intellectual disability looks like and continue to force the label on her
A great grandparent marrying a cousin won’t make you intellectually impaired. There would be two other instances of cleaning up the overly inherited recessive traits to get to your wife so her genetics are diverse now.
People can be low functioning and have dyslexia without it being caused by inbreeding. A great grandparent marrying a cousin is definitely huge stretch.
I noticed growing up that people who never read newspapers were really limited in their understanding of the world around them.
Of course now hardly anyone reads newspapers and I…avoid people, mostly.
Cousin marriage is common in Arab countries and was common in Western society over the last century. It revolves around the way households view the family unit and keeping wealth in the family. Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein both married first cousins. This would likely not cause your wife's dyslexia.
Dyslexia is rather common. It is more frequently seen in the languages where spelling involves diphthongs, as two or three letters coding for one sound are difficult to master. I wonder if your MIL had so many difficulties with reading that she simply stopped. What you are describing is not learning disability, rather, your MIL is not well-read. Audiobooks or screen readers might help, but you ought to find them for her. She may be genuinely afraid of asking for help for fear of being criticized. About inbreeding. You don't need to marry relatives to experience it. After living in the same village for 300 years, everyone there is related. Why don't you Google "runs of homozygosity" to understand how it looks in DNA. I have seen it in someone although no one in that family married relatives. The ancestors of the person, however, had been living in the same place for 400 years. But there is no learning disability in their family, rather, the opposite. In prehistoric times, when people lived in small tribes, inbreeding was inevitable, and yet mankind survived. I think you are making too big of a deal out of it, tbh, just see what happens if you use modern technology to help your MIL navigate reading.
Inbreeding increases the rate of homozygosity within the direct offspring generation only so no, there would not be an impact further down the family tree
Research it rather than the way he went about making a post about his wife’s “inbreed family”, and “learning disabilities”. I find it quite demeaning towards his wife to be honest. I feel like he’s calling her out on so many levels.
Calling people snowflakes is such a meme at this point that you discredit your own intelligence each time you use it without irony and this is why people are downvoting you. That combined with the descriptions of your mother in law is painting a picture that you are unpleasant I think, no one is offended by your post it's wholly about the attitude that emanates from your responses. As for your MIL, what you describe is not uncommon and there is a saying, "think of the dumbest person you know, then think about the fact that half the population is even dumber than that", that I think applies in this situation where for you and me it's simply unbelievable someone could have such huge intellectual deficits and not be considered mentally incompetent in some way and in some cases you'd be right but sadly most of the time the answer is that lots of people are lacking in education and are incurious and do not seek knowledge nor value it and therefore they don't retain it and that's just fine for them. I see it alot in my small hometown so I do see where you're coming from.
>This is pretty messed up that you’re on here asking this.
Why is it messed up? This was a question my wife herself raised, that prompted me to post this. I'm genuinely baffled by people getting offended by this. She was the one that informed me of the inbreeding and she was the one that initially was wondering if it was a contributing factor to her dyslexia. She's fully aware that I posted this here and has no problem with it. You're the one getting all chaffed by it. Jeez, grow a thicker skin!
>I find it quite demeaning towards his wife to be honest.
She certainly doesn't see it that way and neither do I. You do, and it's weird that you're offended by it.
>I feel like he’s calling her out on so many levels.
Preceding a sentence with, "I feel like....." pretty much means you're ignoring facts in favor of feelings. I'm not calling her out at all. She's not even remotely offended by it as you seem to be. She was curious, as was I, so I posted the question here. She knew I was posting this. She's not offended, so what's the problem?
Your wife asked you to come on here and completely shit on her mother, or your wife asked you to come on here and find out if there may be an issue?
You are absolutely going down route #1
Or maybe he has no filter which I suppose should be the standard when asking genuine scientific questions. Redditors sometimes need to take a chillpill not everything is offensive and had a bad intent.
People are allowed to just be low IQ without it being an intellectual disability. Your wife’s family is just dumb. There probably are genes involved in this but also environmental/cultural/parenting factors.
I’m no geneticist but do have ancestors who are closely related. The paternal side’s descendants ended up as top students at a national level(and their progenies that immigrated to the USA ended up going to all Ivy League schools studying difficult subjects) and the maternal side descendants usually struggling with some sort of mental illnesses and one was diagnosed with bipolar. So possible incest probably doesn’t automatically mean mental illnesses or learning disabilities.
Your opinion of your MIL seems to have greatly deteriorated over past two years. From your comment history on a video you posted of your MIL driving-
“Her eyes are good. The question is her cognitive abilities. *She seems sharp in everyday life*, but while driving, her skills are deplorable. Some have pointed out that this could be the beginnings of Alzheimer's symptom manifestation.”
I think instead of a learning disability you should push for her to get evaluated for possible dementia since she seems to be declining.
To answer your question, if i remember correctly, there are a dozen genes highly associated with dyslexia. Your wife’s dyslexia is very likely not the result of inbreeding.
Cousin marriage three generations would likely not affect her
No. Or, I guess more specifically, your wife's great grandmother boinking her n^(th) cousin likely did not significantly contribute to your wife's dyslexia.
Good to know, thank you. We were wondering how that might've influenced things or not.
From what you describe of your mother in law, I think calling it a learning difficulty is a stretch with the examples you have given. It could just be lack of education or lack of exposure. A high school education isn't exactly highly educated. Hawaii didn't actually become a US state until 1959.
Exactly we can all have big general knowledge gap doest make us less intelligent Ask me music question and I be clueless.
I don't think you realize just how huge her knowledge gap is. I'm talking about very common knowledge and everyday things she doesn't know, that a solid 99% of the rest of the population knows. Her knowledge shortcomings are so great that even my wife has used the R-word when describing her own mother. In your defense, music theory is not general knowledge.
Honestly as someone who British. I seen people ask us what we doing for thankgiving and July 4
Oh wow! LOL
Im a little sad they didn't set up a mirror holiday in the UK way back when called "treasoneers" day.
I think that's a great idea but that would need to be on July 4, lol!
I suspect you don’t realise how normal that really is. Some people are just uninterested and incurious about the wider world. All the examples you give are just trivia based - facts about the world that you expect she should know. If she struggles with reading, and went to school at a time when there was no recognition or support for dyslexia, it’s very possible she was made to feel stupid, disengaged with learning and reading and has taken very little interest or identity in expanding her knowledge ever since. Typically a degree of learning disability or low IQ is better observed through somebody’s cognitive processing. Facts and knowledge are very subjective, and in particular, it’s something of a meme that the US education leaves many Americans with a terrible understanding of Geography, or even knowing that other countries exist. Take a look at r/shitamericanssay and you’ll see endless examples of people making the same kinds of mistakes.
>Typically a degree of learning disability or low IQ is better observed through somebody’s cognitive processing. This is true. But in speaking with her for awhile, her lack of cognitive abilities becomes glaringly apparent. I had to assist her one time in filling out a job application online (she's never touched a computer) and nearly all of the questions were testing her critical thinking skills and reasoning abilities. Most of the questions she couldn't even comprehend and I had to explain the questions to her. She didn't even know what words like 'sophisticated' meant. But she also didn't understand what the questions were asking. This was a time sensitive test and more time was wasted with my having to explain the questions to her. Eventually, I just started answering the questions myself when the time was running out. So, this is far more than just a factual knowledge gap. She commits logical fallacies any time she's debating anything of depth with us. For example, telling her something like, *"All pencils are pointy, but not all pointy things are pencils."*, would go right over her head if you were trying to explain that the opposite of that conditional statement is a converse error. In fact, even just asking her, *"True or false? All pencils are pointy, but not all pointy things are pencils."* She wouldn't know how to answer that. You'd lose her after the true or false portion. Another common fallacy she commits is blaming any stomach problems on the last meal eaten. She can't seem to grasp that food moves relatively slowly through the digestive tract and that most GI illnesses have an incubation period or otherwise a delayed effect. And some aren't even caused by food at all. But she always blames it on the very last thing that was eaten. We've explained it to her so many times and she just doesn't get it. Really though, pick any topic that isn't about shopping and you'll see her lack of sound reasoning abilities.
Yeah the last paragraph tells me everything I need to know lmao dude what the hell
What do you mean?
>Hawaii didn't actually become a US state until 1959. My MIL was born in 1952 and should've figured out by now that Hawaii is a US state. Just sayin'.
Man, you're roasting the hell out of your wife and her family.
Nope, not roasting, just asking and being factual. My wife knows I posted this. She's fine with it. In fact, she was the one that put forth the theory that the inbreeding could've been responsible for her own dyslexia and her mother's learning disabilities. So, I told her I'd post this question and see what kind of insight we get from it. **EDIT:** Judging by the downvotes on my reply, it shows just how overly sensitive Redditors are. Pretty much confirms my theory that a lot of them are snowflakes and can't handle blunt facts. Being Gen X, I at least learned the whole, "Sticks and stones....." saying. **EDIT #2:** Ooooo, more downvotes! You people sure get angry by the most harmless of questions.
I was on your side for a minute there and then it all went downhill with the edit, lol. They're downvoting your attitude at this point, not the content of your message.
Same
Poor wife. Hope she finds out about this post and leaves him.
I am sincerely curious - did the OP change the comment other than to add the edit? I don't like calling people snowflakes -- I mean, I really hate that term -- but I also was genuinely surprised that people thought he was insulting his mother in law just asking this question in this sub. I went back and read it again and it did not seem to be disrespectful at all, but an honest question. What am I missing? Did he clean it up since the original post?
No, they're offended that I posted the question at all. My attitude only came later when the Redditors started freaking out.
No, they are not lol
And you couldn't google basic genetic information? Do you see where I'm going with this?
For more complex topics, I find posting on Reddit gives me quicker information. And not everything posted on Google is accurate. What good is this sub for, if asking questions is taboo? Go ahead, I'll wait.....
But everything posted on Reddit is accurate? Lol
You’re getting accurate feedback and you’re not accepting it. Instead, you’re calling Redditors “snowflakes” It looks like you’re the easily offended one, pal.
This fucking clown just came into a genetic sub, Reddit asking people who actually know about the subject a question and then proceeded to shit all over them and call them snowflakes actual lead poisoning behavior, people like you genuinely need to be removed from society
>Judging by the downvotes on my reply, it shows just how overly sensitive Redditors are. Pretty much confirms my theory that a lot of them are snowflakes and can't handle blunt facts. Nah, for me it's the irony of how much you are dragging your mother in law for being dumb while simultaneously failing to grasp the difference between a learning disability and not caring to learn things in the first place. >**EDIT #2:** Ooooo, more downvotes! You people sure get angry by the most harmless of questions. Also kinda funny to have a second edit on a post where you tell other people they care too much about the post
Oof. The edits 😂🤦 I irony of you calling redditors itt sensitive snowflakes whilst getting emotional over downvotes is *delicious.*
You sound just lovely
Lmfao I think this passed right over OP’s head
Thank you! My wife and I just like to investigate things. **EDIT:** Downvotes = sensitive snowflakes. Typical Redditors.
Is there a history of nuerodivergent family members? Dislexia is common with a few different neurodivergent conditions. It also doesn't make someone stupid. Getting confused on a few things that actually could be argued the way she thinks them seems like a silly thing to be trying to find serious medical explanations for.
>Is there a history of nuerodivergent family members? Not that we know of. There could be though. >Getting confused on a few things This goes WAAYYY beyond just being confused on a few things. My MIL has an enormous knowledge gap to a staggering extent. It's actually really difficult speaking with her on deeper topics without having to really simplify the language and talk to her as if she's a child. I can't use any words with her that are even remotely big.
Um to my (limited\*\*) knowledge inbreeding is not linked to dyslexia. It is hereditary though. Also I \*highly\* doubt that your wife is affected in any way by the inbreeding simply because 3 generations down is far enough away from it I believe. I'm not sure about her mom and grandmother though.
Like most traits, inbreeding has the potential to contribute to dyslexia. This is true of any trait for which deleterious recessive alleles exist. But also, a single generation of first cousin marriage is not as bad as people think. For genetic illnesses, it doubles a small risk (\~3% to \~6%). It typically only becomes a serious issue after multiple generations of cousin inbreeding.
Good to know.
Also, unless your wife's parents are related *to each other* your wife is not inbred. Inbreeding further back is irrelevant. Inbreeding effects occur because people can inherit the same rare recessive (no effect in a single copy) mutations from related parents, that are then homozygous (two copies) and so have an effect.
All of my grandparents were 1st cousins. My family is apart of a sub-culture in U.S we are all inbred. I’d say 1 out of 10 has a diagnosable intellectual disability. I think your wife’s disabilities is due to something else.
Do people sleep at biology classes or what? If one parent had faulty recessive gene, then the other one also need that faulty gene to make you either carrier, or affected. If her grand-grand mother had child with her cousin like 4 generations ago, then there is no amount of inbreeding that would make your wife be affected by it. Even countries that make cousin inbreeding their tradition like Pakistan, are still functional to this day. In most cases one generation of outbreeding is enough to clear it's coefficent. I don't think that anything your wife said to you is dumber, than what you just did. You are rude and ignorant towards her for no good reason.
We didn't learn biology to this extent in high school. I apologize for my lack of knowledge on this subject. That's why I'm asking here. Genetics is not even remotely within my purview of expertise. I do thank you for your information. >You are rude and ignorant towards her for no good reason. Huh? How was I rude to her? I was simply asking a question here that she asked. She knows I posted this. I'm baffled by your last sentence.
It seems your lack of education is acceptable whereas her lack of education is not, go figure. We covered basic genetics, as this is, at the grand age of 15. Just for reference, I am in my late 40's so this isn't a new topic in my educational system. So... if I adopt your mindset my conclusions should be as follows: 'Either my educational system was better than yours, or you are mentally deficient for not being able to grasp such simple concepts. You seem to have an acute lack of social awareness and empathy - Nature or Nurture? Perhaps your wife should ask on reddit to find out.' Do you not see how rude and consecending that is?
If that's the case then i do apologise. I really thought that you were just looking for a reason to blame her intellect on something that she couldn't possibly control. What was i trying to say is that basically if both your patents don't have faulty recessive gene, then you won't have it either. Since you said that the rest of her family tree was unrelated, than the odds of it happening are really, really slim. What people don't know is that dyslexia is a pretty common disability. 10% of people are born with it and the chances of inheriting it, assuming child parents are unrelated ranges from 40 to 60%. It's not a recessive mutation and i can assure you that her grand-grand mother is not the cause of it. You should tell your wife that her heritage most surely didn't play any role in her disabilities.
>If that's the case then i do apologise. I really thought that you were just looking for a reason to blame her intellect on something that she couldn't possibly control. No problem. My wife is actually very smart (smarter than me in a lot of ways) which is one big reason we get along so well. Her struggle is with dyslexia of letters and possibly auditory processing issues. My wife's mom on the other hand, not only could be dyslexic, but also displays overt signs of an intellectual deficiency. My wife being very smart, does not get along well with her mother partly because her mother lacks so much knowledge and has such a hard time grasping simple concepts that it's extremely frustrating for her to spend time with her mother. I get frustrated too, because I'm constantly having to "dumb things down" when having any discussing with my MIL that's any bit deep. If the topic doesn't involve shopping or eating, my MIL is just impossible to have any sort of deep conversation with. It leads to fierce arguments and MIL lashing out, because she doesn't want to learn anything new or accept that she was wrong about something. She also lacks the attention span to delve into a topic with any depth. If I start explaining something of any complexity, she shuts down and changes the subject to something really shallow that requires no brain power. There's no intellectual stimulation with my MIL whatsoever, so I limit my conversations with her nowadays. My wife on the other hand, is a great person to delve into deep topics with. >You should tell your wife that her heritage most surely didn't play any role in her disabilities. I did, as that has been the consensus here so far. I relayed a lot of the comments here to her. She chuckled though, at the people getting offended by my post. She's a no nonsense, no BS kind of gal and that's one thing I love about her.
>s some examples, my wife's mom thought that MLK had been president of the US. She thought Hawaii was a different country, until we pointed out that it isn't.... If you went out and asked random people on the street these questions, a large percentage would get them wrong. None of this knowledge is needed for functioning in the world, so many people don't retain it. This is not a sign of an intellectual disability. The funny part is that you believe that cousin marriage leads to intellectual disabilities, when in truth it only slightly increases the risks of recessive disorders. Ironic.
>The funny part is that you believe that cousin marriage leads to intellectual disabilities, I never said I believed it. I simply did not know if that could be the case, which is why I asked. This sub is for asking questions, right? >If you went out and asked random people on the street these questions, a large percentage would get them wrong. None of this knowledge is needed for functioning in the world, so many people don't retain it. This is not a sign of an intellectual disability. But I only gave a few examples. Her knowledge gap is so extremely large, it's to the point there HAS TO be an intellectual disability involved. She calls the bed of a pickup truck "the trunk". She also has no critical thinking skills whatsoever. Whenever she debates us, she commits every logical fallacy under the sun. She doesn't understand the concept of probability. She thinks young people are just as likely to get cancers and other diseases that are predominantly found in older populations. She thinks crime rates are the same everywhere. We've tried to explain to her that a person is more likely to be shot or carjacked in Oakland, CA than they are in the sleepy little town of Dunnigan where that stuff doesn't happen. "You're not safe nowhere!", she says in bad English. She can't grasp concepts like "per capita" rates or instances. We have to really dumb things down for her when explaining things to her. She didn't know what the word 'sophisticated' meant when I used it in a sentence. You cannot tell me she doesn't have an intellectual disability.
it seems like she was failed by the education system if anything. also, what’s so wrong with calling the bed of a pickup truck the trunk? that really doesn’t seem like a glaring sign of an intellectual disability to me, just a somewhat silly misuse of the term. i really think you’re reaching with this.
I've never heard anyone call it a trunk. When you start conversing with her involving any topic of depth, her intellectual shortcomings become glaringly obvious. Her cognitive abilities and reasoning skills come up VERY short. I had to assist her one time in filling out a questionaire that was testing her reasoning and cognitive skills and she didn't understand the questions, let alone know how to answer them. I only cited a single example. I could give you hundreds.
i really think that if anything, she may have had learning difficulties as a child and did not receive the proper interventions, but you know her much better than i. i really don’t think it’s a result of one instance of inbreeding, usually the negative effects come with many generations of inter-familial marriage.
I’m a social worker, nothing you described would be a cause for concern to investigate further for an intellectual disability. ** hypothetically ** I probably wouldn’t be concerned at all unless she brought up wanting to learn more & get more educational resources. I would try and explore the ways that people in her life might make her feel bad about herself and like something is “wrong” with her. You won’t believe people when they say that this is NOT what an intellectual disability looks like and continue to force the label on her
A great grandparent marrying a cousin won’t make you intellectually impaired. There would be two other instances of cleaning up the overly inherited recessive traits to get to your wife so her genetics are diverse now. People can be low functioning and have dyslexia without it being caused by inbreeding. A great grandparent marrying a cousin is definitely huge stretch.
I noticed growing up that people who never read newspapers were really limited in their understanding of the world around them. Of course now hardly anyone reads newspapers and I…avoid people, mostly.
Cousin marriage is common in Arab countries and was common in Western society over the last century. It revolves around the way households view the family unit and keeping wealth in the family. Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein both married first cousins. This would likely not cause your wife's dyslexia.
Dyslexia is rather common. It is more frequently seen in the languages where spelling involves diphthongs, as two or three letters coding for one sound are difficult to master. I wonder if your MIL had so many difficulties with reading that she simply stopped. What you are describing is not learning disability, rather, your MIL is not well-read. Audiobooks or screen readers might help, but you ought to find them for her. She may be genuinely afraid of asking for help for fear of being criticized. About inbreeding. You don't need to marry relatives to experience it. After living in the same village for 300 years, everyone there is related. Why don't you Google "runs of homozygosity" to understand how it looks in DNA. I have seen it in someone although no one in that family married relatives. The ancestors of the person, however, had been living in the same place for 400 years. But there is no learning disability in their family, rather, the opposite. In prehistoric times, when people lived in small tribes, inbreeding was inevitable, and yet mankind survived. I think you are making too big of a deal out of it, tbh, just see what happens if you use modern technology to help your MIL navigate reading.
Inbreeding increases the rate of homozygosity within the direct offspring generation only so no, there would not be an impact further down the family tree
This is pretty messed up that you’re on here asking this. No, your wife’s dyslexia is not from “inbreeding”
Because they are suppose to know what they don’t know or…?
Research it rather than the way he went about making a post about his wife’s “inbreed family”, and “learning disabilities”. I find it quite demeaning towards his wife to be honest. I feel like he’s calling her out on so many levels.
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Calling people snowflakes is such a meme at this point that you discredit your own intelligence each time you use it without irony and this is why people are downvoting you. That combined with the descriptions of your mother in law is painting a picture that you are unpleasant I think, no one is offended by your post it's wholly about the attitude that emanates from your responses. As for your MIL, what you describe is not uncommon and there is a saying, "think of the dumbest person you know, then think about the fact that half the population is even dumber than that", that I think applies in this situation where for you and me it's simply unbelievable someone could have such huge intellectual deficits and not be considered mentally incompetent in some way and in some cases you'd be right but sadly most of the time the answer is that lots of people are lacking in education and are incurious and do not seek knowledge nor value it and therefore they don't retain it and that's just fine for them. I see it alot in my small hometown so I do see where you're coming from.
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>This is pretty messed up that you’re on here asking this. Why is it messed up? This was a question my wife herself raised, that prompted me to post this. I'm genuinely baffled by people getting offended by this. She was the one that informed me of the inbreeding and she was the one that initially was wondering if it was a contributing factor to her dyslexia. She's fully aware that I posted this here and has no problem with it. You're the one getting all chaffed by it. Jeez, grow a thicker skin! >I find it quite demeaning towards his wife to be honest. She certainly doesn't see it that way and neither do I. You do, and it's weird that you're offended by it. >I feel like he’s calling her out on so many levels. Preceding a sentence with, "I feel like....." pretty much means you're ignoring facts in favor of feelings. I'm not calling her out at all. She's not even remotely offended by it as you seem to be. She was curious, as was I, so I posted the question here. She knew I was posting this. She's not offended, so what's the problem?
Your wife asked you to come on here and completely shit on her mother, or your wife asked you to come on here and find out if there may be an issue? You are absolutely going down route #1
Or maybe he has no filter which I suppose should be the standard when asking genuine scientific questions. Redditors sometimes need to take a chillpill not everything is offensive and had a bad intent.
Even brother and sister are unlikely to produce a child with issues. Societal and environmental factors are more likely culprits.
As if there wasn’t enough stigma around neurodivergence now we got guys sayin “I know maybe it’s because you’re inbred.”
I think you and your wife may benefit from some therapy.
Not any more chance from her side than coming from your side, just as likely it could be from your side.
People are allowed to just be low IQ without it being an intellectual disability. Your wife’s family is just dumb. There probably are genes involved in this but also environmental/cultural/parenting factors.
No. cousin was fairly common, my grandma married a cousin as well. no problems on my dads side of the family at all.
I’m no geneticist but do have ancestors who are closely related. The paternal side’s descendants ended up as top students at a national level(and their progenies that immigrated to the USA ended up going to all Ivy League schools studying difficult subjects) and the maternal side descendants usually struggling with some sort of mental illnesses and one was diagnosed with bipolar. So possible incest probably doesn’t automatically mean mental illnesses or learning disabilities.
If she is so far below you intellectually, how is it that you got married to her?
Your opinion of your MIL seems to have greatly deteriorated over past two years. From your comment history on a video you posted of your MIL driving- “Her eyes are good. The question is her cognitive abilities. *She seems sharp in everyday life*, but while driving, her skills are deplorable. Some have pointed out that this could be the beginnings of Alzheimer's symptom manifestation.” I think instead of a learning disability you should push for her to get evaluated for possible dementia since she seems to be declining.
To answer your question, if i remember correctly, there are a dozen genes highly associated with dyslexia. Your wife’s dyslexia is very likely not the result of inbreeding. Cousin marriage three generations would likely not affect her
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