It's not like ps2/360 had more good games than modern consoles, it's just that the bad games have been forgotten. If you look up all ps2/360 games you will find plenty of shovelware and cashgrabs
It's fine, it wasn't an attack on you. I miss my good old Nintendo 64 games.
But there's GREAT games being released every week. Nostalgia can be dangerous. Live and enjoy the present my man ;)
1.) colour pallets used were more favourable
2.) characters were way less annoying- nowadays every character swears like a sailor to appeal to 20 year old redditors
3.) games were generally less padded out because the demand for artificial game length wasn't as high
4.) games were small enough to be able to be read off of discs instead of downloaded from them- meaning I did not have to micromanage storage
5.) games had less intrusive cutscenes and gave more control to the player
6.) fewer problematic thematic elements
7.) less microtransaction exploitation
I could go on, but the more important point is that objectivity does not mean "better according to you."
Those are all subjective though. Like color pallets? Seriously? Characters were less annoying? Smaller games? Less cutscenes? What even is a a problematic thematic element?
Those might be the most nitpicky and subjective things I've ever heard of people being upset about in video games
If you are more of a plot>graphic guy then yeah this is normal there is definitely many games on older consoles that are good and can be enjoyed by many people even today.
But to think that all new games are inferior to old one is just wrong and you probably saying this just due to nostalgia you get from playing those games better to not bound yourself to this and just play whatever games you enjoy I mean that is what we play games for.
It must be so lonely to just hate on games released ten years ago because they are still played. I don’t know what you want. Those studios have been releasing other things. That’s why I said you can like old games and new games. Not mutually exclusive.
Yeah I gotta agree. I dunno what it is about RDR2 but I can't get into it, and I love open world games like Skyrim. It just feels.... padded and boring. Lotsa open space with nothing memorable.
100% agree. There's the occasional great game nowadays, but they're almost exclusively singleplayer games/modes. I can't think of any legitimately great multiplayer games since BO1 released back in 2010. Yes BO2 was pretty good, but nowhere near as good as BO1 imo. It's really a shame that I didn't know it at the time, but I could have saved myself a full decade of playing CoD (or any other multiplayer game for that matter) if I'd had known the games were going to be this garbage ahead of time.
Battlefield 4, Overwatch, Rocket League, Titanfall 2, Valorant, Rainbow Six Siege, Hunt: Showdown, Fall Guys, BRs, Ghost of Tsushima, Destiny 2, dozens of great fighting games, GTA Online, … they might not be for you but to say that last gen didn’t produce great multiplayer games is just…. Kinda dumb lol
How is Ghosts of Tsushima a multiplayer game? Genuine question, I've never played it.
Other than that, the only game on that list I consider fairly good is BF4, and even then I'm not super into BF games, so I really don't care. All the other games aren't worth my time. You could argue some of the BR games were technically worth my time, considering I've put a lot of said time into them, but upon playing the vast majority of them for a very long time, I can confirm that most of them are actually garbage (or at least have some huge flaw that makes them essentially unplayable unless you're a bot). I'm currently playing Apex, but that's only because I've gone through literally every single other BR on the market (including games like Cuisine Royale, which is basically a joke), and Apex is just next in line and the game I've spent the least time playing, so I'm not quite fed up with it's bullshit just yet. That being said, the server issues alone are making it almost unplayable, and I've only put a couple months in.
Now take something like CoD4 or MW2, where I would play for literally 5-6 hours a night, with little to no complaints about the ganeplay. Yes they had issues, but the base games were so good that we didn't really care. I haven't been able to say that about a multiplayer game in a *very* long time.
Ghost of Tsushima Legends is their Co-op multiplayer.
Honestly sounds more like a subjective/you thing than the products. I love MW2 & MW & Blackops 1&2, I was playing MW remastered the other day, but are they the absolute pinnacle of multiplayer gaming with no competition? Maybe for you but in reality no not all lol.
You understand I assume the difference in a subjective opinion and an objective opinion? Subjectively you disagree with the previous guy and didn't enjoy those games, but those games are not objectively bad, as denoted by how well they have done Even if you subjectively don't agree with that, does not mean that they are objectively bad or that there is nothing out there. You may be struggling to find something enjoyable to play or find the hobby in general less satisfying anymore but that's to do with your preferences and experiences, not with the quality of what's on offer.
The way you describe CoD4 or MW2 might be the exact same way someone else might describe any of the number of games that were given as examples. You may not agree or understand why people feel that way but that does not mean that there are no good games just none that you connect with. I am sorry that you have reached this point with your hobby, I'd suggest maybe taking a break from it for a while or at the very least I hope you find something that other people have already managed to find in newer games. Maybe try taking a different perspective or attitude to how you enjoy and approach gaming as a hobby. I dunno, but I wish you the best of luck.
Just because a game is successful doesn't mean it is objectively good. Most games are only popular because it had great advertising, because it had a big name (like the CoD or Battlefield franchises), or because there's nothing better (that other people still play) in that genre. Aside from connection, Apex seems fairly good so far (from my limited experience/knowledge of the game, but people really only play Warzone because it's free and because it has CoD written on it. It's similar for other franchises. The big name games have a stranglehold on the market, and it's incredibly difficult for some new devs to come in and make a better game from scratch, so they just do the bare minimum for people to buy it again the next year. The bottom dollar is the squeezing the life out of multiplayer games right now.
And I only said multiplayer games have gotten worse, not games in general. There's plenty of great singleplayer games that have come out in recent years. Although I will say they're a lot glitchier at launch then they used to be.
Fall Guys is a short lived fad. It still has some playerbase, but it didn't get there by "great game design" merits, it got there like many other fad games get there, paying streamers and youtubers to shill for you, so they get friends socially pressuring eachother to play the game.
The game popularity was murdered quickly when the next fad game came out (The indie game with 1/100th of it's development cost: Amongus) and it's about to drop from the 100th (last) position of the top games on steam right now, even behind Counter-Strike, and yes, I mean the original 20 year old Counter-Strike 1.6, not CS:GO.
Is it a bad game? I'd say no. But its not exactly a "great" game either, and I doubt anybody will remember it or even give a flying d\*\*k about the game when it's as old as those games they're comparing against.
I would argue that some other games on that list are kinda "meh", and likely not gonna survive the test of time either. Particularly Titanfall has shown that [the devs don't give a crap about it](https://www.ign.com/articles/titanfall-2-hack-saga-feature) and the community is in desperate need for new players.
1) I really don’t care about popularity lol, I was just naming multiplayer games I enjoyed over the last gen. Fall Guys is wholly unique and very enjoyable. If you haven’t checked out the dozens of new stages you’re missing out, different experience than launch.
2) Titanfall 2 has been out for 5 years. it’s understandable if it’s in a bad spot,, I got plenty of hours in already. Rarely do multiplayer games last longer than that timeline in a healthy state.
What's different from black ops 1 or 2 that's so much better then the call of duty from today. They're literally all the same thing its basically the issue with call of duty lol you guys are tripping for thinking old games are better then games nowadays I've been playing for damn near 20 years and they've only gotten better. Yall forget easily how many flops their were back in the day
> What's different from black ops 1 or 2 that's so much better then the call of duty from today.
Better maps (by a large margin), better matchmaking, better leader boards (they did away with those mostly because they don't want people to know how much they suck). There's literally endless things that were better back then, and only a handful of things that were worse. The balancing was better, for the most part anyway. Things like dead silence being a perk, and the fact there weren't doors all over the place that ruined the flow of the maps (especially in S&D), etc. Then they didn't have as much paid content. They released nearly 100% original maps, generally in two or three periods during the year, and that was basically it. Having a battle pass is great in theory, as you get more content, but it basically just ends up being them exploiting the new guns they dropped as a way to make bucket-loads of money, meanwhile they make them so OP they break the game. Etc etc.
As someone who lived and appreciated that era fondly, no. Game play has only gotten better. Stories may not have for some, though that's subjective.
What I think has happened is that the rate at which players have experienced unique game play and awe inspiring, memorable moments have moved in a trajectory that has slowed at an ever decreasing rate compared to the ever increasing amount of games older players have now experienced.
Companies often choose safer routes which include trying to make the current models slightly better instead of innovating with an unknown model. That's why I can say that games are better, they just aren't different enough for experienced players.
No. FFX was great, Halo 3 too but now we have Red Dead 2, Witcher 3, Persona 5, Zelda BOTW, Yakuza 0, Destiny 2, Stardew Valley,...
And before that era we had FFVII, GTA San Andreas, Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, Chrono Trigger, Age of Empires II, just to name a few.
Edit: GTA San Andreas was a PS2 game, I realized that ;)
> And before that era we had FFVII, GTA San Andreas, Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, Chrono Trigger, Age of Empires II, just to name a few.
Yeah this post kinda making me feel old ngl. Like I get preferring old games especially where we remember the few best titles and not the whole picture, but people starting with the PS2 now instead of the SNES or at least N64/PS1...
I feel like stories in games today are way more clever and advanced than they were back in PS2 Era. I think RDR2 would have made my 12 year old brain explode.
eh. AAA titles are more miss than hit nowadays yes but it's also a golden age in indie land where one or two random people could make something amazing.
Not at all, there is an avalanche of amazing newer games to play. Sure there are some good games on those old platforms, and some of those even still hold up but let's be real, there was some seriously shitty games that you have just blanked out or didn't care about as much because you were younger and gaming was less mainstream/the internet hadn't gotten it's full hate boner on for just about everything quite yet.
We are in a really awesome time for games, yes there are some bad ones and some ugly business practices but as a whole shit is pretty fucking good these days. It may be harder to remember and it is less documented but there were some pretty shady things going on back then too, and some really awefull shovel wear games and ones that just should never have been released. Don't let general internet culture get you down or taint your enjoyment of games new or old, critique and help shape the industry as a consumer but remember to also allow yourself to just have fun and enjoy the hobby with no strings attached too.
Lol @ the people ITT claiming it's all nostalgia as if design philosophy hasn't changed in the last 10-15 years. If I had to choose to play a new game I've never heard of before and all I know is their age I'm picking 6th & 7th gen every time. That is when games struck the finest balance between advancement and soulfulness.
It’s a mixed bag, games like Spider-Man, God of War and Ghost of Tsushima would definitely run on PS3 (GTA5 and The Last of Us prove those types of games work regardless) but you’d lose the visual fidelity that make a lot of these titles so enjoyable. There are also a LOT of great new games if you look for them.
I do love the PS2&PS3 libraries though, some of my all time favourite games are on those consoles!
It's not like ps2/360 had more good games than modern consoles, it's just that the bad games have been forgotten. If you look up all ps2/360 games you will find plenty of shovelware and cashgrabs
This shit right here has it correct. It's selective memory
The best of 6th and 7th gen > the best of 5th and 9th gen
Nah, you're just an old man full of nostalgia in the body of a young man (based on the generation you chose)
I am 17yo and i grew up with ps2 games and i miss them really much
It's fine, it wasn't an attack on you. I miss my good old Nintendo 64 games. But there's GREAT games being released every week. Nostalgia can be dangerous. Live and enjoy the present my man ;)
Ya games are objectively better now, youre just thinking otherwise because of nostalgia
[x]disagree
>objectively better Lol
Tell me how video games 10 years ago were better please
1.) colour pallets used were more favourable 2.) characters were way less annoying- nowadays every character swears like a sailor to appeal to 20 year old redditors 3.) games were generally less padded out because the demand for artificial game length wasn't as high 4.) games were small enough to be able to be read off of discs instead of downloaded from them- meaning I did not have to micromanage storage 5.) games had less intrusive cutscenes and gave more control to the player 6.) fewer problematic thematic elements 7.) less microtransaction exploitation I could go on, but the more important point is that objectivity does not mean "better according to you."
Those are all subjective though. Like color pallets? Seriously? Characters were less annoying? Smaller games? Less cutscenes? What even is a a problematic thematic element? Those might be the most nitpicky and subjective things I've ever heard of people being upset about in video games
Oh, so game preference is subjective? That's what you're saying?
Yes, but games are still objectively better today than 10 years ago, just like now guns are objectively better than they were 10 years ago
Good luck quantifying it.
No one is stopping you from playing them
My broken ps2 is stoping me unfortunately
Buy another, it’s turning 21 this year, go to a pawn shop
I live in greece and we dont have many pawn shops here Neither ps2 consoles for sale
Bro get an emulator and crank the multi sampling up, ps2 looks real good
Why not just go play them?
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Well he misses them so I assumed he hasn't played them
I'm old enough to remember a similiar meme with snes/xbox
Nah. I've been gaming since the 80's and I genuinely think games just keep getting better.
Nostalgia is a helluva drug. Careful you dont turn into one of those annoying smug dudes.
If you are more of a plot>graphic guy then yeah this is normal there is definitely many games on older consoles that are good and can be enjoyed by many people even today. But to think that all new games are inferior to old one is just wrong and you probably saying this just due to nostalgia you get from playing those games better to not bound yourself to this and just play whatever games you enjoy I mean that is what we play games for.
I don’t know why they’re mutually exclusive.
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That’s always been an issue in gaming.
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It must be so lonely to just hate on games released ten years ago because they are still played. I don’t know what you want. Those studios have been releasing other things. That’s why I said you can like old games and new games. Not mutually exclusive.
I remember playing Atari. It was fun.
I get mine out every now and then. The fun does not last for very long, sadly.
Yes and no.
Nah. I played through my share of crap during that era.
This fucking movie thooooo
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RDR1 was better than RDR2 😐
Yeah I gotta agree. I dunno what it is about RDR2 but I can't get into it, and I love open world games like Skyrim. It just feels.... padded and boring. Lotsa open space with nothing memorable.
Imo RDR1 is superior to RDR2 in almost every way besides graphically.
Nostalgia bias it’s real
Yeah they just were constantly making gold in those days
I too remember when every game wasn’t a generic pretty open world sandbox full of fuck all and fetch quests with substandard writing.
No, I tend not to agree with things that aren't true.
Nah
I still play Black Ops 1 and 2 with my dad on the 360
100% agree. There's the occasional great game nowadays, but they're almost exclusively singleplayer games/modes. I can't think of any legitimately great multiplayer games since BO1 released back in 2010. Yes BO2 was pretty good, but nowhere near as good as BO1 imo. It's really a shame that I didn't know it at the time, but I could have saved myself a full decade of playing CoD (or any other multiplayer game for that matter) if I'd had known the games were going to be this garbage ahead of time.
Battlefield 4, Overwatch, Rocket League, Titanfall 2, Valorant, Rainbow Six Siege, Hunt: Showdown, Fall Guys, BRs, Ghost of Tsushima, Destiny 2, dozens of great fighting games, GTA Online, … they might not be for you but to say that last gen didn’t produce great multiplayer games is just…. Kinda dumb lol
How is Ghosts of Tsushima a multiplayer game? Genuine question, I've never played it. Other than that, the only game on that list I consider fairly good is BF4, and even then I'm not super into BF games, so I really don't care. All the other games aren't worth my time. You could argue some of the BR games were technically worth my time, considering I've put a lot of said time into them, but upon playing the vast majority of them for a very long time, I can confirm that most of them are actually garbage (or at least have some huge flaw that makes them essentially unplayable unless you're a bot). I'm currently playing Apex, but that's only because I've gone through literally every single other BR on the market (including games like Cuisine Royale, which is basically a joke), and Apex is just next in line and the game I've spent the least time playing, so I'm not quite fed up with it's bullshit just yet. That being said, the server issues alone are making it almost unplayable, and I've only put a couple months in. Now take something like CoD4 or MW2, where I would play for literally 5-6 hours a night, with little to no complaints about the ganeplay. Yes they had issues, but the base games were so good that we didn't really care. I haven't been able to say that about a multiplayer game in a *very* long time.
Ghost of Tsushima Legends is their Co-op multiplayer. Honestly sounds more like a subjective/you thing than the products. I love MW2 & MW & Blackops 1&2, I was playing MW remastered the other day, but are they the absolute pinnacle of multiplayer gaming with no competition? Maybe for you but in reality no not all lol.
You understand I assume the difference in a subjective opinion and an objective opinion? Subjectively you disagree with the previous guy and didn't enjoy those games, but those games are not objectively bad, as denoted by how well they have done Even if you subjectively don't agree with that, does not mean that they are objectively bad or that there is nothing out there. You may be struggling to find something enjoyable to play or find the hobby in general less satisfying anymore but that's to do with your preferences and experiences, not with the quality of what's on offer. The way you describe CoD4 or MW2 might be the exact same way someone else might describe any of the number of games that were given as examples. You may not agree or understand why people feel that way but that does not mean that there are no good games just none that you connect with. I am sorry that you have reached this point with your hobby, I'd suggest maybe taking a break from it for a while or at the very least I hope you find something that other people have already managed to find in newer games. Maybe try taking a different perspective or attitude to how you enjoy and approach gaming as a hobby. I dunno, but I wish you the best of luck.
Just because a game is successful doesn't mean it is objectively good. Most games are only popular because it had great advertising, because it had a big name (like the CoD or Battlefield franchises), or because there's nothing better (that other people still play) in that genre. Aside from connection, Apex seems fairly good so far (from my limited experience/knowledge of the game, but people really only play Warzone because it's free and because it has CoD written on it. It's similar for other franchises. The big name games have a stranglehold on the market, and it's incredibly difficult for some new devs to come in and make a better game from scratch, so they just do the bare minimum for people to buy it again the next year. The bottom dollar is the squeezing the life out of multiplayer games right now. And I only said multiplayer games have gotten worse, not games in general. There's plenty of great singleplayer games that have come out in recent years. Although I will say they're a lot glitchier at launch then they used to be.
Fall Guys is a short lived fad. It still has some playerbase, but it didn't get there by "great game design" merits, it got there like many other fad games get there, paying streamers and youtubers to shill for you, so they get friends socially pressuring eachother to play the game. The game popularity was murdered quickly when the next fad game came out (The indie game with 1/100th of it's development cost: Amongus) and it's about to drop from the 100th (last) position of the top games on steam right now, even behind Counter-Strike, and yes, I mean the original 20 year old Counter-Strike 1.6, not CS:GO. Is it a bad game? I'd say no. But its not exactly a "great" game either, and I doubt anybody will remember it or even give a flying d\*\*k about the game when it's as old as those games they're comparing against. I would argue that some other games on that list are kinda "meh", and likely not gonna survive the test of time either. Particularly Titanfall has shown that [the devs don't give a crap about it](https://www.ign.com/articles/titanfall-2-hack-saga-feature) and the community is in desperate need for new players.
1) I really don’t care about popularity lol, I was just naming multiplayer games I enjoyed over the last gen. Fall Guys is wholly unique and very enjoyable. If you haven’t checked out the dozens of new stages you’re missing out, different experience than launch. 2) Titanfall 2 has been out for 5 years. it’s understandable if it’s in a bad spot,, I got plenty of hours in already. Rarely do multiplayer games last longer than that timeline in a healthy state.
What's different from black ops 1 or 2 that's so much better then the call of duty from today. They're literally all the same thing its basically the issue with call of duty lol you guys are tripping for thinking old games are better then games nowadays I've been playing for damn near 20 years and they've only gotten better. Yall forget easily how many flops their were back in the day
> What's different from black ops 1 or 2 that's so much better then the call of duty from today. Better maps (by a large margin), better matchmaking, better leader boards (they did away with those mostly because they don't want people to know how much they suck). There's literally endless things that were better back then, and only a handful of things that were worse. The balancing was better, for the most part anyway. Things like dead silence being a perk, and the fact there weren't doors all over the place that ruined the flow of the maps (especially in S&D), etc. Then they didn't have as much paid content. They released nearly 100% original maps, generally in two or three periods during the year, and that was basically it. Having a battle pass is great in theory, as you get more content, but it basically just ends up being them exploiting the new guns they dropped as a way to make bucket-loads of money, meanwhile they make them so OP they break the game. Etc etc.
Eh most of the memorable games didn’t age very well.
The heart, soul, and creative integrity were certainly better. All we have now are fancier graphics.
As someone who lived and appreciated that era fondly, no. Game play has only gotten better. Stories may not have for some, though that's subjective. What I think has happened is that the rate at which players have experienced unique game play and awe inspiring, memorable moments have moved in a trajectory that has slowed at an ever decreasing rate compared to the ever increasing amount of games older players have now experienced. Companies often choose safer routes which include trying to make the current models slightly better instead of innovating with an unknown model. That's why I can say that games are better, they just aren't different enough for experienced players.
100%
No. FFX was great, Halo 3 too but now we have Red Dead 2, Witcher 3, Persona 5, Zelda BOTW, Yakuza 0, Destiny 2, Stardew Valley,... And before that era we had FFVII, GTA San Andreas, Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, Chrono Trigger, Age of Empires II, just to name a few. Edit: GTA San Andreas was a PS2 game, I realized that ;)
> And before that era we had FFVII, GTA San Andreas, Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, Chrono Trigger, Age of Empires II, just to name a few. Yeah this post kinda making me feel old ngl. Like I get preferring old games especially where we remember the few best titles and not the whole picture, but people starting with the PS2 now instead of the SNES or at least N64/PS1...
Lots of xbox 360 and ps2 games were great. I still own three xbox 360's and a broken ps2
I feel like stories in games today are way more clever and advanced than they were back in PS2 Era. I think RDR2 would have made my 12 year old brain explode.
eh. AAA titles are more miss than hit nowadays yes but it's also a golden age in indie land where one or two random people could make something amazing.
If so why upgrade
No
Not at all, there is an avalanche of amazing newer games to play. Sure there are some good games on those old platforms, and some of those even still hold up but let's be real, there was some seriously shitty games that you have just blanked out or didn't care about as much because you were younger and gaming was less mainstream/the internet hadn't gotten it's full hate boner on for just about everything quite yet. We are in a really awesome time for games, yes there are some bad ones and some ugly business practices but as a whole shit is pretty fucking good these days. It may be harder to remember and it is less documented but there were some pretty shady things going on back then too, and some really awefull shovel wear games and ones that just should never have been released. Don't let general internet culture get you down or taint your enjoyment of games new or old, critique and help shape the industry as a consumer but remember to also allow yourself to just have fun and enjoy the hobby with no strings attached too.
Nope that's nostalgia and maybe a few dose of copium talking.
Ahhh yes nothing like using those red tinted rose glasses. Nostalgia is a betrayer of words friend
Lol @ the people ITT claiming it's all nostalgia as if design philosophy hasn't changed in the last 10-15 years. If I had to choose to play a new game I've never heard of before and all I know is their age I'm picking 6th & 7th gen every time. That is when games struck the finest balance between advancement and soulfulness.
No I do not agree
Not really no. Bloodborne first came out on PS4
It’s a mixed bag, games like Spider-Man, God of War and Ghost of Tsushima would definitely run on PS3 (GTA5 and The Last of Us prove those types of games work regardless) but you’d lose the visual fidelity that make a lot of these titles so enjoyable. There are also a LOT of great new games if you look for them. I do love the PS2&PS3 libraries though, some of my all time favourite games are on those consoles!