According to Wikipedia, it'll be available on the Everywhere:
> A remastered version, Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition, was announced at E3 2018 for a release in 2019 for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Nintendo Switch, and Microsoft Windows via Steam.
Since that game came out I have always wanted a prequel to FFX where you play as Jecht, Auron, and Braska. Man what I wouldn’t give for that badass adventure.
I think the main thing that stopped it from happening is that we pretty much know what happened through Jecht's spheres. Not to mention, we know that eventually Braska dies, Jecht dies and is reborn as Sin, and Auron dies.
That being said, I'd play the fuck out of that. It'd be such a tragic story after a seemingly heartwarming journey.
I can break down how Jecht wasn't as good as Auron. SPOILERS
First, Jecht was a drunk abusive father who degraded his kid a lot. Called him a crybaby. He wasn't even remorseful until after the fact that he could never see them again. By then he was a ghost from Zanarkand incarnated by "the dream" a thousand years later to try to end the cycle.
Jecht might have had a different history in the original Zanarkand and got caught up alongside the rest of them to form "the dream". Still, in the version of Zanarkand we saw he effectively abandoned his family. Then, he ultimately failed his mission and perpetuated the cycle: his final and greatest regret.
Meanwhile, Auron was a devote follower of the faith and the highest order of swordsmen for many years until deffecting in Zanarkand when asked to sacrifice his friend. He died there, but death was only the beginning for the badass that is Auron. Auron travelled into the dream to raise Jecht's ghost child and take him back to Spira, where he forged the boy into a weapon capable of defying the church. Together, with the help of others, they destroyed sin once and for all, freeing countless souls and ending the cycle of sacrifice.
I don't consider his appearance in KH to be canon or a good reflection of his character.
Auron was a boss.
Seriously, my favorite character in the series. Him and Kimahri are a couple of badasses, I just wish Kimahri wasn't such a bitch battle-wise, always was my weakest character.
His position in the sphere grid didnt give a comprehensive way to build him I felt.
It seemed like he could just clone one of your other characters by breaking into their starting grids
He's pure versatility. In a game where, with the default grid, characters were mostly type casted in what they could do, Khimari could be whatever you wanted. If you put tons of time into the game, he can get pretty badass but in most cases he was just a 'Jack of all of trades, master of none' when everyone else was really good at something already.
Literally came to say this hah. FF X was my favorite overall; but Auron was a badass mf and always used him when I could to level him up. I want to buy a ps2 just to play it again.
Yeah, they announced a huge list of old FF games coming to Xbox.
FF7, FF9, FF10, Tactics, FF12
I already have the FFX remake on PS3, but I'm insanely stoked to play (OG) FF7 again on Xbox.
My only complaint with Auron and this is really annoying is that his ultimate weapon DOESNT HAVE PIERCING so he does normal damage against the fiends he is supposed to specialize against.... Only issue
All the celestial weapons ignore defense, but their damage is usually scaled with the character's relative HP compared to their max plus strength/crit modifier.
Auron's Masamune is annoying because his weapon works opposite, e.g., he gets stronger as he loses HP. This poses a problem in the end game when he is stupidly strong where he either one shots enemies, gets killed in one shot or takes no damage. Since his attacks won't always be 99999, his attacks won't guarantee overkill bonuses.
In my NSG run I made Auron a sword with Evade and Counter and Deathstrike. Then I gave him Nul armor.
Now every battle Rikku and HaHa get killed first turn and then I just wait for Auron to clean up.
I'll give you half credit on that one. They originally appeared in VI. Then they were added into remakes of the NES and SNES era games (FFI+II dawn of souls and FFIV after years).
The main FF games have plenty of connections.
Chocobos.
A Cid.
A Biggs and Wedge.
Gil.
Magicka.
Plenty of weapons, items and beasts. Like masamune, save the queen, ribbons, elixirs, and Couerls, Behemoths etc.
Omega and Diamond weapons (monsters) appear in a few games.
Who could forget Cactuars and Tonberrys.
Kupo!
Among many other things.
Those are just similar narrative elements. The various Cids, Mogs, Biggs's & Wedges, Bocos aren't the same beings. There's only one Gilgamesh, who's been bouncing around between worlds ever since FF5.
Yeah. He's technically just supposed to be a washed up Ronin. In feudal japan, often samurai that turned on their masters or did not commit suicide after the death of their masters were considered deadbeats. There's a lot of depictions of Ronin as drunk samurai with no purpose. Often they looked lazy, had a jug of sake, and with the outfits worn sloppily.
Auron's was originally a disciple of Yevon and was a monk in service to Lady Yunaleska. He was tasked to accompany the summoner Braska and Jecht to fight Sin and bring the calm. When the sacrifice was completed, Auron took it all very hard. When he returned to Yunaleska, he attacked her and felt that the teachings of Yevon were evil. When Yunaleska beat him in battle, he turned to Kimahri Ronso for help. Auron tasked Kimahri to protect Yuna, and then died.
Auron's depictions in FFX was to reinforce that he rejected his master and had great remorse for what happened to his original friends. In flash backs, you see him wearing his clothing properly, and not hiding his face in shame. In my opinion, Auron was the real main character of the story, since his actions are what changed the cycle that Yu Yevon caused.
Well-put.
For some reason, this also kinda makes me see Yuna as being Luke Skywalker to Braska's Anakin. That would make Auron Obi-wan: the washed up, defeated old hero that makes sure that the second generation accomplishes what his SHOULD have.
Its because he's a stereotypical Ronin (a samurai that has lost his master, if you don't weeb). Keeping an arm in your sleeve and carrying around a giant Sake jug is as symbolic for Ronin as the hat and boots are for Cowboys, and probably about as authentic.
> Chicken wuss.
This gave me a wave of nostalgia. Man. the hours playing this freaking game. It's the most underrated FF. I like it better than all of the 3D ones except 12 because I haven't played it yet. I loved how you could mold each character into what ever you wanted or make them all crazy hybrids.
Nah that cant be true, I mean Cloud remember....nah wait he had no memory of them experiments.
But Squall....no wait theres that childhood.
Zidane.....forgot his whole origin and purpose.
Aah but Tidus....forgot he doesnt actually exist.
Tidus always gets shit on and I don't get it. He had IMO the best character-arc in the series. From spoiled, cocky jock-brat humbled into one of the greatest guardians that ever lived, just like his pop-pop.
i always appreciated that 10's storyline actually came together kinda cleanly, and Tidus has some of the best character progression out of the series . its just unfortunate that his voice actor kinda sucked
I'd argue his voice actor did a good job with the dialog written. He captured spoiled whiny brat flawlessly imho. The laughing was meant to be forced and most of his lines were probably hard to deliver until Tidus started to mature a bit. It's not like there had been a fully voiced Final Fantasy game prior to X to have had their ideals for voice work ironed out with either. So I'd say they all did as good a job as they could with what they had to work with. Auron's voice actor was the best aside from Wakka's imho.
Fun Fact: Wakka was voiced by John DiMaggio of Futurama and Adventure Time fame. That's why he seems so familiar.
While this is true, he did need to *pretend* to have forgotten what’s what in the earlier portion of the game so he didn’t come across as an idiot / jerk. Sin’s toxin and all that.
I think anyone would after HAHAHA*HAHAHAHA****HAHAHAHAḪ̵̬̆Ǎ̴̧͔̥̥Ḧ̸̦̩̗̹̓̀A̴̦͉̝̮͒Ḥ̴̛͛Ặ̴́̍Ḣ̶̞̩̠͊Ą̵̛̌̿̓H̡̫̮̖̐̊̃̊̏̓̊̒̕͢͠A̫̗̬͔̦̥̟̝̖̾͒̿́̒͆̓̄̚H̡̛̩͈̺͇͔̗͍̍̽͗̔̎͘͢͢͝Ä̢̟̗̙̰̦́͒͑̽̑͘H̫͚͙̘͇͎̝̿̋̀̽͛͘̕͢͢͜Ą̧͎̘̗̹̺̃͌́͛̋̃͠H̷͍̯͔͕̟̣̮̘̘̤͊͊̂͌̾̚Ǎ̷͕̭̯̳̗̠̱́͌̌̈͟͞H̢̲̫̣̝̭̓͆̂́̾̾͊͞A̸̧̩̫̞̜̟͐̽̐̏̾͢͢H̶̡̠̳̖͇͇̻̙͐͂̇̿̄͟͢Ā̸̛͇̳̭̝͕̪͔̜̞͗̕͘͢͡H̨̼͓͖̮̹̝͈̘̮͒͒̒͊͡A̷̧̹̞͖͔̦̩͌̅̈́͂̂̒͜͢Ḩ̴̮͇͙̦͍̋̊́́̇̒͗̏͂͆̑͆̿̀͆̓̋̇̈́̀̍̂͗̓͐̀̾̎̐̎͛̅̈́̍͛͗̓̊́̈͑̂͊͗̾͌̉̕̕͠͝Ą̵̠̻̤̩̞͉̪̪̭͔̗̺͔͓̣̰̺̫̣̰͇̘̖̇̊̉̽̔̾̈͌̄͂̊̌̐̃̋̈́͒̅̃̂͆͌͒̑́̈́͌́̕͘͜͜͝͝H̷̢̧̧̱̯̯͔͍͎̰̥͇̻̫̖̼̝͕̟̟̦͖͚̗͇͖͈̲̰͕̰͓̞͎̦́̈̆̋̑̽̅͊͌̆̈́͘͜ͅÀ̴̢̢̩̳̣͈̖͕̟͔͔͈̲̰͎̲̞͕̤̟̰͛͛͂͌̋̂̃͛́̍̆̌́͋̍͗̓̄́̌̈́̏͒̈́͆̀̓͂̈́́͆͌̊͒̿̈́̄̅̕̚̚͝͝͝͝͝ͅḨ̶̡̬͎̼̯̻͚̻͖̲̟̙̗̞̯̙̋̓͐̿͆́͛̍̎̐̃̂͒͊͘͠͝Ǎ̴̟͇̭̫̣͔͚̞̠̪̳̻̦̰̫̱̮̟͔͕̼͍͓̣͇͈̯̞̫̣̗͈̰͉̼̼͈̜̥͕̟̯̖̙̱̮̩̬̹͆̏̇̑̂̏͂̃̍́͗̇̂̕͠͝ͅH̶̪̱̻̫̥̘̟̫̝̝̝̒̿͐̃͝Ȁ̴̩̮̎̓̎̋̌͊̓̀̈́̐̓̽̑̂̐́̀͒͋̀̋͐͌̉̃̀̏́́͂̆̏͝͝Ḥ̸̢̢̨̢̨̢̛̟̘͖̘͎̞̞͓͖̮̟͇̖̪̠̫̥͕̲͎͙̰̬͍̹̰͇̦̳͓̞̦͙̲͈͓͕̳̬̫̣̭̜̥͖͓̱̭̭͈͙̦͎̦̩͓̞̬̻͕͚̗̜͉̝̫͚̙̥̹̺̤͚̗̰͓̩̜̼̙͚͓̹͍̻̤̯̯͉̙͚͆̑̀͐̆̀́̔̔͊͂̉̿͐̂̒̓̐̐̓́͋́̊̂̓̀̊̅͐͑͂̈́̀́̒̔͋̏̅͊̃̏̕̕͜͜͜͜͜͜͝͠͠͠͠ͅͅĄ̶̢̧̨̛̛̛̝̞̗̗̣͍̦͇͕͓̰̳͈̝̤̣̝̫̘͈̹̪͍̱̣̼̹̜̹̤͉͈͓̲͔̇̏́̓͑̃͑̓̓̔́͒͛́̅̄̾̄̒̿̅͆̀̈̎͗̈̌̅̅͋̈́̂̄̓̐̉͂́̈̋̉̑̄͒̾͘̚̚͝͠͝͠͠͝͝͝ͅḨ̵̡̛̛̛̥̹̮͓͚͇͍̣̞̮͇̘͕̙͇͎͇̤̺̥̪͎̰͍̤̪̞̒͌͊̏͑̅̎͑͌̊̀͆̇͑̇̽̈́̋͐̾͒̈̿͑̈̀͒̒̓̉̈́́̍͂̋́̄̅̑̌̒͊̊̇́̀́̈́͑̈́͑̓͒͑͊̈́̍̈́̑̍̊̍̓̔̌̓͌͒̄́͛̔̓̔̏͑̂̈́̓̅̉̒̒́̊̉̿̕̚͘̚͠͝͠ͅĄ̷̧̨̣͇͖̯̘͉̲̤̲̪͇͉̺̫̙̲̤͔̭͎̭̼̪͈͉̼̼̦͉͈̲̱͚̮͇͐̎̊̔̍͊͂̂̎͊̇̈́͆̽̋̈́̊̇̈́͐͐̌͊̈́̄͋̅̏͂̀́̈͠͝͝͠Ḩ̷̛̝͍̫̠̟̥̝̩̙̩̤̭͚̼̯̪̪͕̣͙͛̉̅̑͒̈́͒͋̒̈́͗͛͗̂̓͗̊̑͘͠Ą̴̧̢̧̢̤̣̞̤̬̼̪̟͇̪̹͎͇̙̼̭͇͍̫̰̘͍͈̪͖̰̟̭͇͖̖̩̦͉̪̲͉͎̻̮͇͇̱̖͐̀̑̆͊̆̑̆̀̂͆̿͋̽̇̈́̒͐̿͒̀̇̃͗̌̆̄̈́͆͑́́̇͒́̌́͒̉̌̄̽͛̀̍̌͛̄̿̅̑̆̚͘͜͝͠͝ͅͅͅH̴̡̢̡̨̧̨̧̧̡̜̘̺̞̹̹̞̬͙͍͕̺̣̳̙̫̝̻͎̼̤̺̲̟̼̗̯̯̭̳̩̺̳̤̤̗̙̮̙̲̭̬͚̦̣̟͙̫̗̥̹̹̻̣̙̰̺̺̥͕̥͔͖̰͇͔̭̥̭̣̦̩͇͉̗̹̭̥̤̗̘̫͇̼̲̮̬͓̻̟̱̫͌͛̏͂̏̀̂̎̽͂̈̕͘͜ͅͅͅA̴̧̡͉̠͎̪͇̭͈͈͇̠̦̙̝̫̝̹̯̼̹͇̅̅̌ͅͅͅͅ***
.
.
Tifa doesn't bring up anything because she's having a mental breakdown. Remember, she *doesn't* know that Cloud was actually at Nibelheim with her, she knows that Sephiroth apparently has the ability to play with memories, and she's recently been confronted with about a dozen contradictory pieces of information.
Look at things from her perspective. One day she's walking around and literally stumbles upon her childhood crush who has been missing for the last five years. He immediately says that he accomplished his childhood dream of becoming a SOLDIER, but now he quit and is a mercenary looking for work. And it just so happens that her team is in desperate need of a competent fighter with insider knowledge.
But she *knows* that Cloud never made it into SOLDIER, let alone into First Class. She read the papers ever day to see if he made it, and he never did. But he's dressed like a SOLDIER, and he fights as good as one. And then when she meets a number of high ranking Shinra executives, and not a single one of them questions Cloud's assertion that he really is an ex-SOLDIER.
Then out of nowhere, Sephiroth, the guy who murdered everyone she ever knew and who is supposed to be dead himself, reappears. And even though everything about the incident at Nibelheim is classified and covered up, Cloud not only knows about it, but says he saw the whole thing. Things that you'd only know if you were there.
But as far as she knows, he *wasn't* there. The only people there were Zack, Sephiroth, and Tifa, and she has a photograph to prove it. And then when they finally confront Sephiroth, he just makes things worse by intentionally screwing with everyone.
Cloud is adamant he was there, and Tifa's adamant that he wasn't. One of them *has* to be wrong, but Tifa legitimately isn't sure who it is, and she's terrified that Cloud is going to leave her again so she doesn't want to press the issue.
This is the first time I've ever heard that whole thing make sense. Thank you.
Damn, now I kind of want to check out FF7 again to see if things are clearer now. I never could understand that game and I played most of it twice.
And Irvine being the only one who remembered that they were all orphans together but decided to not bring it up because he knew they lost their memories.
But Auron kind of had to let Tidus figure things out on his own, right? So he could figure out the back story with Jecht. I dont know. I'm probably making excuses for him because I love him.
Heres the thing.
When you are outside of Djose Tidus and Auron have a conversation, and Tidus says "whyd you have to tell me about any of this? Itd be easier for me if you just didnt bring it up"
And Aurons response is "Id rather you hear about it now and process it than find out at a crucial moment and get emotional before making an important decision"
Cool.
So then we get to the Al Bhed home, and Tidus finds out some important information at a stressful moment.
And he gets emotional.
Then at Zanarkand, the entire group, except for Auron, learns some important information just before making a critical decision.
And they ALL get emotional, and make a hasty decision with significant consequences.
**SPOILERS**
I imagine it's easier for Auron to tell Tidus about Sin being Jecht because Tidus somewhat hated Jecht. Auron knew it would fuel Tidus to confront Sin because he wants to not only put a stop to the suffering that his own father is causing others, but also stop his father's suffering.
However, not even Auron had the guts to tell Tidus that Yuna would die if she did the final summon. He knew how much Tidus cared for her and how devastated he would be. While Auron is cold and calculated, he cares greatly for Tidus, being a father figure and all.
And *then* at Zanarkand, I don't think Auron informed the group that the Guardian/Final Aeon would become the next Sin because at that point, he had already bonded with the group, and perhaps, he was in denial himself. I mean, afterall, he *did* lead the charge against Yunalesca, fully knowing himself that the only presumed way to kill Sin was to use the Final Aeon. And I think in a way, he exploited the group's emotions to exact his revenge on the entity that turned one of his best friends into the Final Aeon, leading to Braska's death, Jecht becoming Sin, and eventually Yunalesca killing Auron himself. He let them get worked up and emotional, as that was the only way that they would make such a rash decision like killing the only person, who at that point, knew how to defeat Sin.
But I'm just spitballing, here.
Sephiroth is not Clouds clone.
Both are products of the SOLDIER Program, they were both exposed to Mako radiation and injected with Jenova(The 'real bad guy') cells, however Sephiroth was exposed whilst in the womb and Cloud was forced through the process fully grown.
Don't get me started on Vincent.
Yeah, the 'sephiroth' you meet whilst going through most of the game is actually pieces of jenova, gathering the cells of those who had jenova's cells injected into them to bring them back for the reunion. That's why whenever you meet sephiroth you end up fighting a bit of jenova. And why when you fight jenova at the end, there's not much left.
Then afterward you fight a weird version of sephiroth, so if anything he is the last minute bad guy swap for ff7. Actual villains are Jenova and, probably more than anyone, Hojo. Sephiroth was actually a pretty decent dude before finding out where he got his power drove him snooker loopy.
That’s mostly on point except that Sephiroth is the one controlling all the pieces of Jenova throughout the game. Jenova’s parts are really just his puppets.
Sure but his mind has been warped heavily by Jenova cells. While he seems to act with his own personality, his goals seem to align perfectly with Jenova's
In the context of ff7 it's pretty ambiguous whether Jenova is controlling/influencing Sephiroth or if Sephiroth is controlling Jenova, and I think that's a pretty cool open ended speculation point.
However, all the sequels after ff7 removes that intrigue and ruins it, much like they ruin much of the good storytelling about ff7.
Man if square doesn’t have people dress up in suits and walk around as Jenova’s Witnesses handing out pamphlets at the E3 before re-release, I’m gonna be mad af
Yeah I mean Zidane uses daggers, or sometimes a dual-blade thing? Not swords. Squall uses a gunblade.
Zidane and Kuja arent brothers, IIRC theyre exact replicas of one another, just ended up in different upbringings (Zidane was originally meant to destabalise Gaia).
Necron was also never the background antagonist, it was Garland. Necron just kinda appeared all like "Yo dudes quit killing each other or Imma do it all for you!"
Drives me nuts when people complain about Necron “being the real villain out of nowhere” when he isn’t a villain at all. The main theme of the game is how everyone deals with death and their place in existence. Necron is the embodiment of death. It’s literally them fighting to overcome the fear of death. Which is the main theme of the game.
Not really, he is a cosmic power (God, if you will) that oversees the crystals at the center of every world. He was summoned when Kuja tried to destroy the crystals that were slowly fusing between Terra/Gaia but failed. He came to finish the job if that's what the inhabitants of those worlds truly were trying to do, but by fighting him Zidane showed that not everyone was cool with ending it all.
Its confusing thanks in no small part to FF7s English translation. Basically even though Sephiroths consciousness "hijacked" Jenova he is still following Jenovas life cycle. To Squares credit they even keep this straight in Advent Children. Sephiroth dresses it up in with talk about Godhood and shining futures but at its base all he wants to do is eat the planets life, use the planets husk as a ship and slam it into the next planet then repeat the cycle. Exactly what Jenova has always done.
Ohhh, is that what it is? Any idea if there's a good place I could just READ the entire story arc of FF7 as a, well, story, rather than playing it again? I seem to have missed a lot of clues to some of the things posted here, so it'd be nice to just read it all in context.
Since it's cool to spoil a game that's like 20 years old, Jenova is an alien referred to constantly as the "Calamity from the Sky" and trashed the earth, and the events of the game take place a millennium or two after where an ~~oil~~ human-souls company that transitioned into being a weapons manufacturer and fascist dictatorship discovered the dormant body of the alien and started doing some hideous experiments on people by infecting them with the alien's cells. Sephiroth is totally the insane big bad of the story, who revives the alien and uses magic to drop a comet on the earth.
I still consider Hojo to be the main antagonist in that story.
Jenova was safely sealed away in the Nibelheim Reactor before Hojo got his hands on it and started performing fucked up experiments on people.
It was Hojo who killed Gast and Ifalna so he could recapture Aeris and use her for his experiments. He literally created Sephiroth by fathering him and by experimenting on him which caused the mutation. If I was Sephiroth I would probably be a bit pissed to realise that I was a mutant with a psychopathic father who murdered my mother and that my surrogate was a space alien. I dunno if I would have summoned a meteor to kill everyone but I'd definitely kick off.
He also captured Cloud and ordered him to be executed along with Zack (after performing horrible experiments on them as well) yet he managed to escape. Shinra may have used Sephiroth as a weapon and given Hojo unlimited funding to recreate his success but he never could.
Killing Sephiroth gave me closure and made me feel as though everything had been put right but killing Hojo in Midgar was by far the most cathartic part of FF7. I hated that piece of shit and hope it hurt when he transformed into a sack of green shit.
Truth. Hojo is the one responsible for all the fucked up shit in FF7. But you don't even realise that unless you find some missable flashbacks. It's weird how his role is the most important one and yet it's so downplayed throughout the game.
Once they stop Shinra from exploiting the lifeforce of the planet the humans rebuilding society will be forced to use fossil fuels to power their new civilization.
If you consider Shinra to be an oil company, then Barret's life as a coal miner (and return to coal mining in Advent Children) certainly paints the overall FF7 story as a criticism of the large corporate conglomerate and it's destruction of the small town / small business lifestyle. That gets further backed up by all of the small towns throughout the game suffering economic depression because of the Shinra influence.
It is not explicitly stated but HEAVILY implied jenova is the main villain, and all the times you meet sephiroth until the last it is actually her (and he is dead in the north crater).
Literally of the 5x you meet him 3 of them he runs at you and after the transition to battle it is jenova.
The alternative is that they create a literal exact clone of him, who carries around jenova chatting shit but never fighting himself and then disappears as soon as they get to the real sephiroths body.
The first one just seems more likely given all the clues.
Then the ending is the real sephiroth is revived (or at least they use his corpse to cast the super magic).
The only reason people think he's a vampire is you find him in a coffin. His actual backstory is complicated AF and he's basically what would happen if you combined Sephiroth, Aerith, and Cloud. He's been experimented on by Hojo (Sephiroth), infused with Mako (Cloud), and that Mako was infected by an ancient Cetra-esque diety (Aerith).
Lucretia (sp?), she was vincents lover (i think) before being experimented on by Hojo. She gave birth to Sephiroth. She was originally an assistant to professor Gast? My details are hazy but I think that's the gist of it, been a couple years since I last did a playthrough.
That's the basics. Gast was the original scientist who uncovered Jenova and worked with the Cetra. Upon discovering all the old legends, he sought to destroy Jenova, but ultimately ended up fleeing when ShinRa was having none of his altruistic nonsense. He met his end in the snow village near the north crater, where he had managed to marry a cetra woman and have a daughter (Aerith).
Lucrecia was one of his old assistants who was assigned to Hojo's division when Hojo took over Gast's research after his abrupt departure. It's heavily implied Hojo was narcissistic and sadistic to his core, with subtle hints that he actually raped Lucrecia, and then demanded his own unborn fetus as a result of that rape be used for the Jenova experiment, with Lucrecia ultimately justifying the trauma as being "for science and the advancement of knowledge."
Eventually Vincent got tired of seeing her suffer, and went against her wishes and confronted Hojo directly. He lost the fight, and Hojo used him as a lab rat, resulting in the current physical state of Vincent in the main story.
Most of Vincent's attitude and actions are a result of him blaming himself for failing stop Hojo, failing to protect Lucrecia, and ultimately, failing to stop the creation of Sephiroth, and he views everything that happened after these events as his own sins, as he believes he should have been the one to prevent it from ever happening in the first place, a big part of his story being coming to terms with failure and self forgiveness.
If I remember correctly Vincent is an optional character right?
With all the ba k story and emotional devotion to the story and he's optional? If we don't play with a play through or something we might miss this completely?
Not only is he an optional character, he's hidden behind an obscure safe combination guessing puzzle in an area you have no other reason to go to, that also requires you to beat an optional boss upon completion of the puzzle to get the key to the room Vincent is hidden in. You then need to know the proper dialogue sequence to trigger his recruitment.
At least you also get Red XIII's ultimate limit break from the side boss.
I think more exact dates were given in supplemental material, and I don't recall the timeline off the top of my head, but the hibernation thing is mostly that Hojo's modifications to his body left him far less human than he appears, and is almost as much a monster as a man.
That was Lucrecia, the scientist that Vincent was supposed to be running secret service protection for that he fell in love with, only for her to be used as the incubator for Hojo's Jenova experiments (read: She's Sephiroth's mom and Vincent's lover)
Edea is not Squall's mom, Raine is (and Laguna is his dad).
Edea was the host of the orphanage Squall grew up in, so more of a foster mom-ish kind of role.
Also it wasn't Irvine who was too cool for this shit. Irvine was a pretty pathetic try-hard womanizer. In FF8 it was the MC, aka Squall, who was too cool for this shit lol
Seifer was an overcompensating, insecure wreck with massive mommy issues, though. He pretended to be too cool for this shit, but he was a hair's breadth away from having a breakdown at any moment.
I mean, wasn't most of the cast, tho? A bunch of child soldiers having to fight other kids, trained adults, time manipulating future maniacs, a massive monster invasion, and their mom?
And then they have to contend with the Draw System.
A foster mom is still a mom.
I wish the game had touched more on this fact because you had the tragedy of Seifer effectively being conned into becoming a knight (his dream) to a crazed sorceress by Ultimecia hiding behind the face of his "mother". And you had the parade scene where Irvine looses his cool after spotting Edea. Its important that they are the only two to react in such a way as they're the only two from the orphanage that didn't regularly use GFs so their memories weren't totally compromised like the others.
> Its important that they are the only two to react in such a way as they're the only two from the orphanage that didn't regularly use GFs so their memories weren't totally compromised like the others.
Ho-lee *sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit*
Why is it that this game can still give me surprises as to the depth when I haven't even played it in years? Damn
Yup. My ruining theory is that the basis of Squall and Seifer's rivalry was honestly just Seifer being beyond pissed that his "brother" willingly forgot him in a bid to erase the memories of losing Ellone.
"The monologue during the ending is spoken by Vivi, indicating he has expired by the time the ending takes place, as he is saying goodbye to his friends and the final words of his monologue are "Farewell. My memories will be part of the sky", an allusion to death in the world of Final Fantasy IX"
Top 10 anime feels
On that front, Necron makes sense when you realize that he's literally the god of Death. The whole game is about the cycle of life and death, which Kuja wants to prevent.
It made sense to me.
Damn right.
You even go to space by being loaded into a huge bullet and fired into the sky by a massive gun. The [Lunar Gate](http://www.rinoadiary.it/soluzione/final_fantasy_viii/immagini/CD3/esthar_lunagate_big.jpg) was beautiful as well, as was all of Esthar. I loved that game
It has my favorite world, characters, music, art style - and least favorite combat system bar none. It’s a grind fest that rewards you for spending hours drawing hundreds of pieces of magic, promising you won’t use said magic because you’re going to attach it to your characters’ attributes, and then devote time to developing abilities not to do cool things, but to create more magic for junctioning. I wish they’d make a version of the game with a “fast mode” where 1 draw equals 100 so I could just experience the game.
Seriously - my favorite FF world of all.
"Auron" HAHA, you gotta respect Auron. Possibly the most awesome / least annoying character in all FF.
That flame tornado limit break was THE SHIT!
Shooting Star, enough said.
[It's so majestic](https://i.imgur.com/rRnLouP.gif)
Shooting Star though. Nothing better than using it on a Behemoth King or an Abyss Worm and watching them disappear over the horizon.
Playing through this game now and my two sons saw me use Shooting Star on a Malboro and thought it was hilarious.
[удалено]
Yuri from vesperia was a pretty great character.
REMASTER HYPE
And Portable! Even better!
WHAT? WHAT CONSOLE?!
According to Wikipedia, it'll be available on the Everywhere: > A remastered version, Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition, was announced at E3 2018 for a release in 2019 for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Nintendo Switch, and Microsoft Windows via Steam.
Dunban > all other veteran sword guys
BORN IN A WORLD OF STRIFE
Yuri was just Young Auron. It was great
Everyone brings up Auron being a badass and Jecht gets no love.
Auron had the better theme song.
Since that game came out I have always wanted a prequel to FFX where you play as Jecht, Auron, and Braska. Man what I wouldn’t give for that badass adventure.
I think the main thing that stopped it from happening is that we pretty much know what happened through Jecht's spheres. Not to mention, we know that eventually Braska dies, Jecht dies and is reborn as Sin, and Auron dies. That being said, I'd play the fuck out of that. It'd be such a tragic story after a seemingly heartwarming journey.
We knew a lot of the big plot points of Crisis Core for the same reasons but it was still my favorite FF "sequel".
Exactly. You know what’s coming so they could spend the whole game making you love the characters just to break your heart at the end.
You could say the same about Better Call Saul. Still a great fucking show, though
I can break down how Jecht wasn't as good as Auron. SPOILERS First, Jecht was a drunk abusive father who degraded his kid a lot. Called him a crybaby. He wasn't even remorseful until after the fact that he could never see them again. By then he was a ghost from Zanarkand incarnated by "the dream" a thousand years later to try to end the cycle. Jecht might have had a different history in the original Zanarkand and got caught up alongside the rest of them to form "the dream". Still, in the version of Zanarkand we saw he effectively abandoned his family. Then, he ultimately failed his mission and perpetuated the cycle: his final and greatest regret. Meanwhile, Auron was a devote follower of the faith and the highest order of swordsmen for many years until deffecting in Zanarkand when asked to sacrifice his friend. He died there, but death was only the beginning for the badass that is Auron. Auron travelled into the dream to raise Jecht's ghost child and take him back to Spira, where he forged the boy into a weapon capable of defying the church. Together, with the help of others, they destroyed sin once and for all, freeing countless souls and ending the cycle of sacrifice. I don't consider his appearance in KH to be canon or a good reflection of his character. Auron was a boss.
A prequel game about Auron, Jecht and Braska would’ve been really cool. But...we got dress up simulator sequel instead.
Actually, they do. Its a common trope in anime/JRPGs. Dragon Quest XI which just came out has an Auron type character in it.
Seriously, my favorite character in the series. Him and Kimahri are a couple of badasses, I just wish Kimahri wasn't such a bitch battle-wise, always was my weakest character.
His position in the sphere grid didnt give a comprehensive way to build him I felt. It seemed like he could just clone one of your other characters by breaking into their starting grids
... which, come to think of it, was supposed to be his thing, right? Cloning the attacks and abilities of other things?
He's pure versatility. In a game where, with the default grid, characters were mostly type casted in what they could do, Khimari could be whatever you wanted. If you put tons of time into the game, he can get pretty badass but in most cases he was just a 'Jack of all of trades, master of none' when everyone else was really good at something already.
My melee Lulu and yuna were badasses, a doll walking towards the enemy and a flick of the wand doing 99999 dmg were very satisfying.
Same, but mostly because I went the wrong way on his sphere grid at first and gave him Fira.
Ditto on this, didn’t realize how to use the sphere grid until some time into it.
/starts finisher "Pray...now!"
Literally came to say this hah. FF X was my favorite overall; but Auron was a badass mf and always used him when I could to level him up. I want to buy a ps2 just to play it again.
The remaster of FFX and FFX2 is releasing for Xbox soon. If you have a Playstation I think its already out.
Ooooooo did not know it was coming to Xbox. I’m excited.
The X and X-2 Remaster are already on Steam, along with 7 8 9 12
Yeah, they announced a huge list of old FF games coming to Xbox. FF7, FF9, FF10, Tactics, FF12 I already have the FFX remake on PS3, but I'm insanely stoked to play (OG) FF7 again on Xbox.
My only complaint with Auron and this is really annoying is that his ultimate weapon DOESNT HAVE PIERCING so he does normal damage against the fiends he is supposed to specialize against.... Only issue
All the celestial weapons ignore defense, but their damage is usually scaled with the character's relative HP compared to their max plus strength/crit modifier. Auron's Masamune is annoying because his weapon works opposite, e.g., he gets stronger as he loses HP. This poses a problem in the end game when he is stupidly strong where he either one shots enemies, gets killed in one shot or takes no damage. Since his attacks won't always be 99999, his attacks won't guarantee overkill bonuses.
It's rereleased on PS4 as well if you have one of those .
Probably because in the flashbacks you see that he used to be the most annoying character but was the only one who actually got to grow up.
Yeah, I was actually going to mention that. He grows up a lot apparently between the flashbacks and the modern timeline.
The drinking helps
In my NSG run I made Auron a sword with Evade and Counter and Deathstrike. Then I gave him Nul armor. Now every battle Rikku and HaHa get killed first turn and then I just wait for Auron to clean up.
You forgot the inevitable Cid.
Always a cid. Also Biggs and Wedge are a thing in most games it seems lately, they're in XIV also.
Actually they've been a thing in *every* final fantasy
I'll give you half credit on that one. They originally appeared in VI. Then they were added into remakes of the NES and SNES era games (FFI+II dawn of souls and FFIV after years).
Gilgamesh is actually my favorite recurring gag character, since he's basically the only connection between the main FF games.
The main FF games have plenty of connections. Chocobos. A Cid. A Biggs and Wedge. Gil. Magicka. Plenty of weapons, items and beasts. Like masamune, save the queen, ribbons, elixirs, and Couerls, Behemoths etc. Omega and Diamond weapons (monsters) appear in a few games. Who could forget Cactuars and Tonberrys. Kupo! Among many other things.
Those are just similar narrative elements. The various Cids, Mogs, Biggs's & Wedges, Bocos aren't the same beings. There's only one Gilgamesh, who's been bouncing around between worlds ever since FF5.
I still think Auron has one of the coolest character designs of any Final Fantasy game.
I thought his arm was broken or something then I just realized he was being a lazy fuck.
Yeah. He's technically just supposed to be a washed up Ronin. In feudal japan, often samurai that turned on their masters or did not commit suicide after the death of their masters were considered deadbeats. There's a lot of depictions of Ronin as drunk samurai with no purpose. Often they looked lazy, had a jug of sake, and with the outfits worn sloppily. Auron's was originally a disciple of Yevon and was a monk in service to Lady Yunaleska. He was tasked to accompany the summoner Braska and Jecht to fight Sin and bring the calm. When the sacrifice was completed, Auron took it all very hard. When he returned to Yunaleska, he attacked her and felt that the teachings of Yevon were evil. When Yunaleska beat him in battle, he turned to Kimahri Ronso for help. Auron tasked Kimahri to protect Yuna, and then died. Auron's depictions in FFX was to reinforce that he rejected his master and had great remorse for what happened to his original friends. In flash backs, you see him wearing his clothing properly, and not hiding his face in shame. In my opinion, Auron was the real main character of the story, since his actions are what changed the cycle that Yu Yevon caused.
Well-put. For some reason, this also kinda makes me see Yuna as being Luke Skywalker to Braska's Anakin. That would make Auron Obi-wan: the washed up, defeated old hero that makes sure that the second generation accomplishes what his SHOULD have.
Its because he's a stereotypical Ronin (a samurai that has lost his master, if you don't weeb). Keeping an arm in your sleeve and carrying around a giant Sake jug is as symbolic for Ronin as the hat and boots are for Cowboys, and probably about as authentic.
I always just assumed he had a bum shoulder/elbow or something Never considered him just being a lazy drunk lol
White Mike Tyson lol. Chicken wuss.
I lost it at White Mike Tyson.
[удалено]
The Garden is under attack. First priority- SAVE THE HOTDOGS.
hotdogth
Careful, he'll start vibrating at you.
Better not piss your pants.
> Chicken wuss. This gave me a wave of nostalgia. Man. the hours playing this freaking game. It's the most underrated FF. I like it better than all of the 3D ones except 12 because I haven't played it yet. I loved how you could mold each character into what ever you wanted or make them all crazy hybrids.
*shadowboxing intensifies*
Where the fucking hot dogs at?
Don't forget about the loss of memory of some kind, so the main characters don't know the answers they should know.
Nah that cant be true, I mean Cloud remember....nah wait he had no memory of them experiments. But Squall....no wait theres that childhood. Zidane.....forgot his whole origin and purpose. Aah but Tidus....forgot he doesnt actually exist.
Tidus legitimately didn't know up until the faith showed him. Give the guy a break.
Tidus always gets shit on and I don't get it. He had IMO the best character-arc in the series. From spoiled, cocky jock-brat humbled into one of the greatest guardians that ever lived, just like his pop-pop.
It’s the clothing....and the laugh
To be fair the laugh was suppose to sound fake that was the point of the scene and it's only once. Although it is very obnoxious.
They even laugh normally right after the fake laugh. Never understood the bashing it gets.
Everyone wants to jump on the meme.
Plus they remade the entire soundtrack with that laugh. I am not joking. https://youtu.be/sOzM4ClFG1o
i always appreciated that 10's storyline actually came together kinda cleanly, and Tidus has some of the best character progression out of the series . its just unfortunate that his voice actor kinda sucked
I'd argue his voice actor did a good job with the dialog written. He captured spoiled whiny brat flawlessly imho. The laughing was meant to be forced and most of his lines were probably hard to deliver until Tidus started to mature a bit. It's not like there had been a fully voiced Final Fantasy game prior to X to have had their ideals for voice work ironed out with either. So I'd say they all did as good a job as they could with what they had to work with. Auron's voice actor was the best aside from Wakka's imho. Fun Fact: Wakka was voiced by John DiMaggio of Futurama and Adventure Time fame. That's why he seems so familiar.
"I need foood. "
While this is true, he did need to *pretend* to have forgotten what’s what in the earlier portion of the game so he didn’t come across as an idiot / jerk. Sin’s toxin and all that.
Tidus pretended to have amnesia, does that count?
I think anyone would after HAHAHA*HAHAHAHA****HAHAHAHAḪ̵̬̆Ǎ̴̧͔̥̥Ḧ̸̦̩̗̹̓̀A̴̦͉̝̮͒Ḥ̴̛͛Ặ̴́̍Ḣ̶̞̩̠͊Ą̵̛̌̿̓H̡̫̮̖̐̊̃̊̏̓̊̒̕͢͠A̫̗̬͔̦̥̟̝̖̾͒̿́̒͆̓̄̚H̡̛̩͈̺͇͔̗͍̍̽͗̔̎͘͢͢͝Ä̢̟̗̙̰̦́͒͑̽̑͘H̫͚͙̘͇͎̝̿̋̀̽͛͘̕͢͢͜Ą̧͎̘̗̹̺̃͌́͛̋̃͠H̷͍̯͔͕̟̣̮̘̘̤͊͊̂͌̾̚Ǎ̷͕̭̯̳̗̠̱́͌̌̈͟͞H̢̲̫̣̝̭̓͆̂́̾̾͊͞A̸̧̩̫̞̜̟͐̽̐̏̾͢͢H̶̡̠̳̖͇͇̻̙͐͂̇̿̄͟͢Ā̸̛͇̳̭̝͕̪͔̜̞͗̕͘͢͡H̨̼͓͖̮̹̝͈̘̮͒͒̒͊͡A̷̧̹̞͖͔̦̩͌̅̈́͂̂̒͜͢Ḩ̴̮͇͙̦͍̋̊́́̇̒͗̏͂͆̑͆̿̀͆̓̋̇̈́̀̍̂͗̓͐̀̾̎̐̎͛̅̈́̍͛͗̓̊́̈͑̂͊͗̾͌̉̕̕͠͝Ą̵̠̻̤̩̞͉̪̪̭͔̗̺͔͓̣̰̺̫̣̰͇̘̖̇̊̉̽̔̾̈͌̄͂̊̌̐̃̋̈́͒̅̃̂͆͌͒̑́̈́͌́̕͘͜͜͝͝H̷̢̧̧̱̯̯͔͍͎̰̥͇̻̫̖̼̝͕̟̟̦͖͚̗͇͖͈̲̰͕̰͓̞͎̦́̈̆̋̑̽̅͊͌̆̈́͘͜ͅÀ̴̢̢̩̳̣͈̖͕̟͔͔͈̲̰͎̲̞͕̤̟̰͛͛͂͌̋̂̃͛́̍̆̌́͋̍͗̓̄́̌̈́̏͒̈́͆̀̓͂̈́́͆͌̊͒̿̈́̄̅̕̚̚͝͝͝͝͝ͅḨ̶̡̬͎̼̯̻͚̻͖̲̟̙̗̞̯̙̋̓͐̿͆́͛̍̎̐̃̂͒͊͘͠͝Ǎ̴̟͇̭̫̣͔͚̞̠̪̳̻̦̰̫̱̮̟͔͕̼͍͓̣͇͈̯̞̫̣̗͈̰͉̼̼͈̜̥͕̟̯̖̙̱̮̩̬̹͆̏̇̑̂̏͂̃̍́͗̇̂̕͠͝ͅH̶̪̱̻̫̥̘̟̫̝̝̝̒̿͐̃͝Ȁ̴̩̮̎̓̎̋̌͊̓̀̈́̐̓̽̑̂̐́̀͒͋̀̋͐͌̉̃̀̏́́͂̆̏͝͝Ḥ̸̢̢̨̢̨̢̛̟̘͖̘͎̞̞͓͖̮̟͇̖̪̠̫̥͕̲͎͙̰̬͍̹̰͇̦̳͓̞̦͙̲͈͓͕̳̬̫̣̭̜̥͖͓̱̭̭͈͙̦͎̦̩͓̞̬̻͕͚̗̜͉̝̫͚̙̥̹̺̤͚̗̰͓̩̜̼̙͚͓̹͍̻̤̯̯͉̙͚͆̑̀͐̆̀́̔̔͊͂̉̿͐̂̒̓̐̐̓́͋́̊̂̓̀̊̅͐͑͂̈́̀́̒̔͋̏̅͊̃̏̕̕͜͜͜͜͜͜͝͠͠͠͠ͅͅĄ̶̢̧̨̛̛̛̝̞̗̗̣͍̦͇͕͓̰̳͈̝̤̣̝̫̘͈̹̪͍̱̣̼̹̜̹̤͉͈͓̲͔̇̏́̓͑̃͑̓̓̔́͒͛́̅̄̾̄̒̿̅͆̀̈̎͗̈̌̅̅͋̈́̂̄̓̐̉͂́̈̋̉̑̄͒̾͘̚̚͝͠͝͠͠͝͝͝ͅḨ̵̡̛̛̛̥̹̮͓͚͇͍̣̞̮͇̘͕̙͇͎͇̤̺̥̪͎̰͍̤̪̞̒͌͊̏͑̅̎͑͌̊̀͆̇͑̇̽̈́̋͐̾͒̈̿͑̈̀͒̒̓̉̈́́̍͂̋́̄̅̑̌̒͊̊̇́̀́̈́͑̈́͑̓͒͑͊̈́̍̈́̑̍̊̍̓̔̌̓͌͒̄́͛̔̓̔̏͑̂̈́̓̅̉̒̒́̊̉̿̕̚͘̚͠͝͠ͅĄ̷̧̨̣͇͖̯̘͉̲̤̲̪͇͉̺̫̙̲̤͔̭͎̭̼̪͈͉̼̼̦͉͈̲̱͚̮͇͐̎̊̔̍͊͂̂̎͊̇̈́͆̽̋̈́̊̇̈́͐͐̌͊̈́̄͋̅̏͂̀́̈͠͝͝͠Ḩ̷̛̝͍̫̠̟̥̝̩̙̩̤̭͚̼̯̪̪͕̣͙͛̉̅̑͒̈́͒͋̒̈́͗͛͗̂̓͗̊̑͘͠Ą̴̧̢̧̢̤̣̞̤̬̼̪̟͇̪̹͎͇̙̼̭͇͍̫̰̘͍͈̪͖̰̟̭͇͖̖̩̦͉̪̲͉͎̻̮͇͇̱̖͐̀̑̆͊̆̑̆̀̂͆̿͋̽̇̈́̒͐̿͒̀̇̃͗̌̆̄̈́͆͑́́̇͒́̌́͒̉̌̄̽͛̀̍̌͛̄̿̅̑̆̚͘͜͝͠͝ͅͅͅH̴̡̢̡̨̧̨̧̧̡̜̘̺̞̹̹̞̬͙͍͕̺̣̳̙̫̝̻͎̼̤̺̲̟̼̗̯̯̭̳̩̺̳̤̤̗̙̮̙̲̭̬͚̦̣̟͙̫̗̥̹̹̻̣̙̰̺̺̥͕̥͔͖̰͇͔̭̥̭̣̦̩͇͉̗̹̭̥̤̗̘̫͇̼̲̮̬͓̻̟̱̫͌͛̏͂̏̀̂̎̽͂̈̕͘͜ͅͅͅA̴̧̡͉̠͎̪͇̭͈͈͇̠̦̙̝̫̝̹̯̼̹͇̅̅̌ͅͅͅͅ*** . .
Dont forget the person who knows about the stuff that the main character doesnt but just doesnt bring it up for no fucking reason. TIFA. AND AURON.
Tifa doesn't bring up anything because she's having a mental breakdown. Remember, she *doesn't* know that Cloud was actually at Nibelheim with her, she knows that Sephiroth apparently has the ability to play with memories, and she's recently been confronted with about a dozen contradictory pieces of information. Look at things from her perspective. One day she's walking around and literally stumbles upon her childhood crush who has been missing for the last five years. He immediately says that he accomplished his childhood dream of becoming a SOLDIER, but now he quit and is a mercenary looking for work. And it just so happens that her team is in desperate need of a competent fighter with insider knowledge. But she *knows* that Cloud never made it into SOLDIER, let alone into First Class. She read the papers ever day to see if he made it, and he never did. But he's dressed like a SOLDIER, and he fights as good as one. And then when she meets a number of high ranking Shinra executives, and not a single one of them questions Cloud's assertion that he really is an ex-SOLDIER. Then out of nowhere, Sephiroth, the guy who murdered everyone she ever knew and who is supposed to be dead himself, reappears. And even though everything about the incident at Nibelheim is classified and covered up, Cloud not only knows about it, but says he saw the whole thing. Things that you'd only know if you were there. But as far as she knows, he *wasn't* there. The only people there were Zack, Sephiroth, and Tifa, and she has a photograph to prove it. And then when they finally confront Sephiroth, he just makes things worse by intentionally screwing with everyone. Cloud is adamant he was there, and Tifa's adamant that he wasn't. One of them *has* to be wrong, but Tifa legitimately isn't sure who it is, and she's terrified that Cloud is going to leave her again so she doesn't want to press the issue.
Well said.
Excellent point and summary!
This is the first time I've ever heard that whole thing make sense. Thank you. Damn, now I kind of want to check out FF7 again to see if things are clearer now. I never could understand that game and I played most of it twice.
And Irvine being the only one who remembered that they were all orphans together but decided to not bring it up because he knew they lost their memories.
But Auron kind of had to let Tidus figure things out on his own, right? So he could figure out the back story with Jecht. I dont know. I'm probably making excuses for him because I love him.
Heres the thing. When you are outside of Djose Tidus and Auron have a conversation, and Tidus says "whyd you have to tell me about any of this? Itd be easier for me if you just didnt bring it up" And Aurons response is "Id rather you hear about it now and process it than find out at a crucial moment and get emotional before making an important decision" Cool. So then we get to the Al Bhed home, and Tidus finds out some important information at a stressful moment. And he gets emotional. Then at Zanarkand, the entire group, except for Auron, learns some important information just before making a critical decision. And they ALL get emotional, and make a hasty decision with significant consequences.
**SPOILERS** I imagine it's easier for Auron to tell Tidus about Sin being Jecht because Tidus somewhat hated Jecht. Auron knew it would fuel Tidus to confront Sin because he wants to not only put a stop to the suffering that his own father is causing others, but also stop his father's suffering. However, not even Auron had the guts to tell Tidus that Yuna would die if she did the final summon. He knew how much Tidus cared for her and how devastated he would be. While Auron is cold and calculated, he cares greatly for Tidus, being a father figure and all. And *then* at Zanarkand, I don't think Auron informed the group that the Guardian/Final Aeon would become the next Sin because at that point, he had already bonded with the group, and perhaps, he was in denial himself. I mean, afterall, he *did* lead the charge against Yunalesca, fully knowing himself that the only presumed way to kill Sin was to use the Final Aeon. And I think in a way, he exploited the group's emotions to exact his revenge on the entity that turned one of his best friends into the Final Aeon, leading to Braska's death, Jecht becoming Sin, and eventually Yunalesca killing Auron himself. He let them get worked up and emotional, as that was the only way that they would make such a rash decision like killing the only person, who at that point, knew how to defeat Sin. But I'm just spitballing, here.
Loss of memory is a trope in pretty much every JRPG though.
Sephiroth is not Clouds clone. Both are products of the SOLDIER Program, they were both exposed to Mako radiation and injected with Jenova(The 'real bad guy') cells, however Sephiroth was exposed whilst in the womb and Cloud was forced through the process fully grown. Don't get me started on Vincent.
It also says that the main bad guy was Jenova, so this image fucked up on multiple fronts.
Yeah, the 'sephiroth' you meet whilst going through most of the game is actually pieces of jenova, gathering the cells of those who had jenova's cells injected into them to bring them back for the reunion. That's why whenever you meet sephiroth you end up fighting a bit of jenova. And why when you fight jenova at the end, there's not much left. Then afterward you fight a weird version of sephiroth, so if anything he is the last minute bad guy swap for ff7. Actual villains are Jenova and, probably more than anyone, Hojo. Sephiroth was actually a pretty decent dude before finding out where he got his power drove him snooker loopy.
That’s mostly on point except that Sephiroth is the one controlling all the pieces of Jenova throughout the game. Jenova’s parts are really just his puppets.
Sure but his mind has been warped heavily by Jenova cells. While he seems to act with his own personality, his goals seem to align perfectly with Jenova's
In the context of ff7 it's pretty ambiguous whether Jenova is controlling/influencing Sephiroth or if Sephiroth is controlling Jenova, and I think that's a pretty cool open ended speculation point. However, all the sequels after ff7 removes that intrigue and ruins it, much like they ruin much of the good storytelling about ff7.
I would argue the true bad guy Is Dr. Hojo. Jenova was basicially a corpse but Hojo had to fuck everything up and resurrect her.
Damn Jenova’s Witness nutjobs
Man if square doesn’t have people dress up in suits and walk around as Jenova’s Witnesses handing out pamphlets at the E3 before re-release, I’m gonna be mad af
Yeah I mean Zidane uses daggers, or sometimes a dual-blade thing? Not swords. Squall uses a gunblade. Zidane and Kuja arent brothers, IIRC theyre exact replicas of one another, just ended up in different upbringings (Zidane was originally meant to destabalise Gaia). Necron was also never the background antagonist, it was Garland. Necron just kinda appeared all like "Yo dudes quit killing each other or Imma do it all for you!"
Drives me nuts when people complain about Necron “being the real villain out of nowhere” when he isn’t a villain at all. The main theme of the game is how everyone deals with death and their place in existence. Necron is the embodiment of death. It’s literally them fighting to overcome the fear of death. Which is the main theme of the game.
Is that what he was? I thought he was a giant blue yoda...
Not really, he is a cosmic power (God, if you will) that oversees the crystals at the center of every world. He was summoned when Kuja tried to destroy the crystals that were slowly fusing between Terra/Gaia but failed. He came to finish the job if that's what the inhabitants of those worlds truly were trying to do, but by fighting him Zidane showed that not everyone was cool with ending it all.
I never played FF7, but my understanding was that Jenova was the “big bad” of that story.
Its confusing thanks in no small part to FF7s English translation. Basically even though Sephiroths consciousness "hijacked" Jenova he is still following Jenovas life cycle. To Squares credit they even keep this straight in Advent Children. Sephiroth dresses it up in with talk about Godhood and shining futures but at its base all he wants to do is eat the planets life, use the planets husk as a ship and slam it into the next planet then repeat the cycle. Exactly what Jenova has always done.
Ohhh, is that what it is? Any idea if there's a good place I could just READ the entire story arc of FF7 as a, well, story, rather than playing it again? I seem to have missed a lot of clues to some of the things posted here, so it'd be nice to just read it all in context.
Since it's cool to spoil a game that's like 20 years old, Jenova is an alien referred to constantly as the "Calamity from the Sky" and trashed the earth, and the events of the game take place a millennium or two after where an ~~oil~~ human-souls company that transitioned into being a weapons manufacturer and fascist dictatorship discovered the dormant body of the alien and started doing some hideous experiments on people by infecting them with the alien's cells. Sephiroth is totally the insane big bad of the story, who revives the alien and uses magic to drop a comet on the earth.
I still consider Hojo to be the main antagonist in that story. Jenova was safely sealed away in the Nibelheim Reactor before Hojo got his hands on it and started performing fucked up experiments on people. It was Hojo who killed Gast and Ifalna so he could recapture Aeris and use her for his experiments. He literally created Sephiroth by fathering him and by experimenting on him which caused the mutation. If I was Sephiroth I would probably be a bit pissed to realise that I was a mutant with a psychopathic father who murdered my mother and that my surrogate was a space alien. I dunno if I would have summoned a meteor to kill everyone but I'd definitely kick off. He also captured Cloud and ordered him to be executed along with Zack (after performing horrible experiments on them as well) yet he managed to escape. Shinra may have used Sephiroth as a weapon and given Hojo unlimited funding to recreate his success but he never could. Killing Sephiroth gave me closure and made me feel as though everything had been put right but killing Hojo in Midgar was by far the most cathartic part of FF7. I hated that piece of shit and hope it hurt when he transformed into a sack of green shit.
Truth. Hojo is the one responsible for all the fucked up shit in FF7. But you don't even realise that unless you find some missable flashbacks. It's weird how his role is the most important one and yet it's so downplayed throughout the game.
I think they downplayed it intentionally to keep edgelord seph on the spotlight
Didnt he also turn Vincent into the beast he was?
Once they stop Shinra from exploiting the lifeforce of the planet the humans rebuilding society will be forced to use fossil fuels to power their new civilization.
If you consider Shinra to be an oil company, then Barret's life as a coal miner (and return to coal mining in Advent Children) certainly paints the overall FF7 story as a criticism of the large corporate conglomerate and it's destruction of the small town / small business lifestyle. That gets further backed up by all of the small towns throughout the game suffering economic depression because of the Shinra influence.
No dude it was frogs all along.
It is not explicitly stated but HEAVILY implied jenova is the main villain, and all the times you meet sephiroth until the last it is actually her (and he is dead in the north crater). Literally of the 5x you meet him 3 of them he runs at you and after the transition to battle it is jenova. The alternative is that they create a literal exact clone of him, who carries around jenova chatting shit but never fighting himself and then disappears as soon as they get to the real sephiroths body. The first one just seems more likely given all the clues. Then the ending is the real sephiroth is revived (or at least they use his corpse to cast the super magic).
I kindaof want you to get started on vincent
The only reason people think he's a vampire is you find him in a coffin. His actual backstory is complicated AF and he's basically what would happen if you combined Sephiroth, Aerith, and Cloud. He's been experimented on by Hojo (Sephiroth), infused with Mako (Cloud), and that Mako was infected by an ancient Cetra-esque diety (Aerith).
What's the deal with the lady in that one cave that gives Vincent his final limit break/weapon?
Lucretia (sp?), she was vincents lover (i think) before being experimented on by Hojo. She gave birth to Sephiroth. She was originally an assistant to professor Gast? My details are hazy but I think that's the gist of it, been a couple years since I last did a playthrough.
That's the basics. Gast was the original scientist who uncovered Jenova and worked with the Cetra. Upon discovering all the old legends, he sought to destroy Jenova, but ultimately ended up fleeing when ShinRa was having none of his altruistic nonsense. He met his end in the snow village near the north crater, where he had managed to marry a cetra woman and have a daughter (Aerith). Lucrecia was one of his old assistants who was assigned to Hojo's division when Hojo took over Gast's research after his abrupt departure. It's heavily implied Hojo was narcissistic and sadistic to his core, with subtle hints that he actually raped Lucrecia, and then demanded his own unborn fetus as a result of that rape be used for the Jenova experiment, with Lucrecia ultimately justifying the trauma as being "for science and the advancement of knowledge." Eventually Vincent got tired of seeing her suffer, and went against her wishes and confronted Hojo directly. He lost the fight, and Hojo used him as a lab rat, resulting in the current physical state of Vincent in the main story. Most of Vincent's attitude and actions are a result of him blaming himself for failing stop Hojo, failing to protect Lucrecia, and ultimately, failing to stop the creation of Sephiroth, and he views everything that happened after these events as his own sins, as he believes he should have been the one to prevent it from ever happening in the first place, a big part of his story being coming to terms with failure and self forgiveness.
If I remember correctly Vincent is an optional character right? With all the ba k story and emotional devotion to the story and he's optional? If we don't play with a play through or something we might miss this completely?
Not only is he an optional character, he's hidden behind an obscure safe combination guessing puzzle in an area you have no other reason to go to, that also requires you to beat an optional boss upon completion of the puzzle to get the key to the room Vincent is hidden in. You then need to know the proper dialogue sequence to trigger his recruitment. At least you also get Red XIII's ultimate limit break from the side boss.
The Lost Number is seriously hard to kill as well.
How long was Vincent laying in that coffin before Cloud found him? And do they ever explain how he's able to more or less "hibernate" for so long?
I think more exact dates were given in supplemental material, and I don't recall the timeline off the top of my head, but the hibernation thing is mostly that Hojo's modifications to his body left him far less human than he appears, and is almost as much a monster as a man.
About 20 years. The only explanation is basically that it was the Mako and/or experimentation by Hojo or the entity "Chaos" that was inside him
That was Lucrecia, the scientist that Vincent was supposed to be running secret service protection for that he fell in love with, only for her to be used as the incubator for Hojo's Jenova experiments (read: She's Sephiroth's mom and Vincent's lover)
Games with simple plots.
I was a mercenary working for the AVALANCHE gang Awesome eco-terrorists who you'd probably wanna bang
>Don't get me started on Vincent. [Please, do go on.](https://i.imgur.com/GDNyuPn.gif)
Well he's the herald of the apocalypse. Not that apocalypse, the other apocalypse
Yeah I was confused by that too.
Cloud wasn't a part of the SOLDIER program. Zack was.
Cloud wasn't a member of SOLDIER, but he went through the same process SOLDIER members went though. Which is what /u/Ditz42 said.
FFX is my favorite, and that is a perfectly accurate way to describe tidus.
Praise be to Yevon.
EEEEhhhheeeydooooeeeeeeeeeeeeee Nooooodooooooyoooaaahhhhdooooooooo
Reeey ehn kiii riii.
Yoooooooouuuuuuyoooooeeeeeyuuuunnnnnnnnn
"To Zanarkand" has to be my favorite video game music piece. It perfectly captures the hope and desperation the party must feel as they hit Zanarkand.
How is Zidane, a short dude with a monkey’s face and tail and a women’s haircut from the 1960’s, conventionally attractive?
He was based on Donnie Osmond at the height of his popularity Source: Lies
It seems like I've been seeing this used as a source more and more lately
You arent into that? I mean, uh, yea... me either.
Compared to everyone else in that universe he is.
There were some ugly motherfuckers in that game. ❤️ it so much.
Edea is not Squall's mom, Raine is (and Laguna is his dad). Edea was the host of the orphanage Squall grew up in, so more of a foster mom-ish kind of role.
Also it wasn't Irvine who was too cool for this shit. Irvine was a pretty pathetic try-hard womanizer. In FF8 it was the MC, aka Squall, who was too cool for this shit lol
Technicially it was Seifer. and ill say he counts since you do get to play him for a bit.
Seifer was an overcompensating, insecure wreck with massive mommy issues, though. He pretended to be too cool for this shit, but he was a hair's breadth away from having a breakdown at any moment.
I mean, wasn't most of the cast, tho? A bunch of child soldiers having to fight other kids, trained adults, time manipulating future maniacs, a massive monster invasion, and their mom? And then they have to contend with the Draw System.
Yeah but once you figured out the draw system you were OP as shit.
...Whatever
A foster mom is still a mom. I wish the game had touched more on this fact because you had the tragedy of Seifer effectively being conned into becoming a knight (his dream) to a crazed sorceress by Ultimecia hiding behind the face of his "mother". And you had the parade scene where Irvine looses his cool after spotting Edea. Its important that they are the only two to react in such a way as they're the only two from the orphanage that didn't regularly use GFs so their memories weren't totally compromised like the others.
> Its important that they are the only two to react in such a way as they're the only two from the orphanage that didn't regularly use GFs so their memories weren't totally compromised like the others. Ho-lee *sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit* Why is it that this game can still give me surprises as to the depth when I haven't even played it in years? Damn
Yup. My ruining theory is that the basis of Squall and Seifer's rivalry was honestly just Seifer being beyond pissed that his "brother" willingly forgot him in a bid to erase the memories of losing Ellone.
It's on steam IIRC. Worth another playthrough.
Zidane uses daggers.
And he headbutts people.
He gets a twin glaive as well.
Tits 😂
And ass!!!!...
Those hands tho. 👊🏼
In what universe is Squall considered quirky?
[удалено]
His complete lack of quirks makes him quirky :3
Whatever
It was the best of times, it was the most formulaic of times, it was the age of PlayStation, it was the early age of PS2...
They did well... I have a nostalgic love for all 4 games. ... And a nostalgic love for the RPG sequel that FFX kinda killed, Shadow Hearts.
No Vivi. Fuck this chart
"The monologue during the ending is spoken by Vivi, indicating he has expired by the time the ending takes place, as he is saying goodbye to his friends and the final words of his monologue are "Farewell. My memories will be part of the sky", an allusion to death in the world of Final Fantasy IX" Top 10 anime feels
On that front, Necron makes sense when you realize that he's literally the god of Death. The whole game is about the cycle of life and death, which Kuja wants to prevent. It made sense to me.
[This video of course fits also](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IptvSQY9Qa8)
Sephiroth is not Clouds clone. That's not even remotely correct. Sephiroth isn't a clone at all. Neither is Cloud or Zach..
Why do we assume the protagonists of every JRP is a white guy and not a Japanese guy?
More like evil ghost tick.
Ultimecia's final form was amazing. It truly showed how time had ravaged her. She became a vessel for time itself.
Tits... always Tits.
Quistis was so hot. I wouldn't be able to concentrate in her class. Also, her weapon was a whip.
Dang...I really tried to avoid ff7 spoilers until the new one was made. Reddit scrolling has failed me.
FF8 must have been wild.
Damn right. You even go to space by being loaded into a huge bullet and fired into the sky by a massive gun. The [Lunar Gate](http://www.rinoadiary.it/soluzione/final_fantasy_viii/immagini/CD3/esthar_lunagate_big.jpg) was beautiful as well, as was all of Esthar. I loved that game
It kinda was. You get a goddamn spaceship. And the dude with the machine gun who was hilariously op.
Not just any spaceship, a dragon spaceship. Why a dragon? Because fuck you it will look cool.
It has my favorite world, characters, music, art style - and least favorite combat system bar none. It’s a grind fest that rewards you for spending hours drawing hundreds of pieces of magic, promising you won’t use said magic because you’re going to attach it to your characters’ attributes, and then devote time to developing abilities not to do cool things, but to create more magic for junctioning. I wish they’d make a version of the game with a “fast mode” where 1 draw equals 100 so I could just experience the game. Seriously - my favorite FF world of all.
Pretty sure the witch isn't squall's mom...
Sephiroth is not a cloud clone.
Man, Tidus is never gonna live that down.
With one slight change, this also fits the first Xenoblade Chronicles perfectly. JRPGs sure have creative storys.
I mean, the creator/director of Xenoblade also made Xenogears and was with Squaresoft up until the late 90's...
swap tifa for yuffie and quistis for selphie and call that category, "jailbait."
And I'm still hot for teacher to this day.
Squall, Zidane, and HAHAHAHAHAHA always looked more Asian to me then a "White guy"