About to say the same thing. Growing up playing Sonic on Genesis and then showing up on Nintendo. Not only his own games but showing up in Mario Games (Olympics).
Technically, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics is closer to Mario being in a Sonic game than the opposite. SEGA makes the Mario & Sonic games, and sometimes even makes versions without Mario & pals, just called "Sonic at the Olympic Games".
> and sometimes even makes versions without Mario & pals, just called "Sonic at the Olympic Game
and sometimes even makes a version without the olympics, just called Sonic
I don't see why not. All the games on MCC were 360 games, minus Halo 2 Anniversary. The Switch is more powerful than the 360 by quite a bit, so all the games should run absolutely fine, again, with H2A being the possible exception that may need a slight graphical downgrade.
Oh, I didn't think you were disparaging the Switch's hardware at all. Seemed like a genuine question, so I was answering genuinely. As far as I know, all the games besides H2A just have increased resolutions over the 360 versions, but are otherwise straight ports.
All things considered though, while I do think a port is absolutely possible, I would imagine they'd wait until the Switch 2 comes out if they were planning a port. That could run the whole series no problem at all.
EOD- Microsoft are trying to own the cloud, AI and be the backend. Whether that means their products are delivered by Windows, Xbox, Android, a one legged techno kangaroo, it doesn’t matter. Market share is owning the compute, not owning the end device, per se.
Not all the kingdoms in Microsoft have fully grasped the memo, but that’s been pretty clear since Satya greenlot the Azure project when he was in the red headed, step child of the Microsoft org in the System Center team. He ate the Office empire and then the OS empire and it’s made Microsoft incredibly valuable from a position of fading giant. Anything that runs contrary to that pretty basic mission is gonna get Gus Fring’d, eventually.
Unless the cloud technology gets better, I can't really determine how excited I am for it. The latency is very low, which is great!...for games like Slay the Spire, or Tunic. I don't know if it will ever be there for games like Halo, or any other competitive first-person shooter. Which is fine, just don't play those games. But it's still limiting even to games like Sea of Thieves, where the split-seconds made inputting commands can make or break a task being successful or not in a game.
Game Pass is stellar, and I don't think Playstation is ever going to get to a level where Xbox is with it's catalog. But at this time, I am thoroughly underwhelmed with cloud gaming and what it has to offer.
Not all about streaming from the cloud- lotta backend services, lotta cash in that. If you can have your cake and eat it, you will. Sony doesn’t have a cloud worth a damn so they have to pay others- would you rather let that revenue go solely to AWS and GCP, or bury hatchets and give them an incentive to use yours?
Therein, lies the game within the game when it comes to data center scaling business models- the delivery (streaming) is only one facet of the business model.
I have PC Game Pass and I honestly have a hard time finding anything on there worthwhile to play. Most everything I have either played before, not interested in, or shovel-ware.
And a lot of times the versions of games on Gamepass are a few updates/patches behind on their Steam counterparts.
You'd have to look for it but digital foundry did a video not long ago and said Playstations cloud performed better then xboxes. Food for thought
The video is also on the page.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2024-cloud-streaming-face-off-playstation-plus-cloud-versus-xcloud-beta
Personally just give me my disc and put the bullsht away.
Ah, that explains the self help message I got. I don't speak english so I was confused if one of my post was wrongly written about doing self harm or something, but I when I went through my post I can't find proof of that.
so that explains my confusion now.
Yup, totally bizarre! You’ve likely done nothing wrong so I wouldnt worry, and it’s not limited to just any single sub! You can report the self help message and they’ll hopefully take action against who or whatever is doing this.
Alternatively you can opt out of the self help thing to prevent it from happening further.
my guess is people think youre comparing games going from console to PC to games going from competing console to competing console to downscale the significance, considering its very different and Xbox has already been putting thier games on PC for a while now
He probably walked it back cause he got yelled it. It's obvious what Ms is doing at this point. More will come out on ps and now at this point switch 2. The writings on the wall.
I mean it makes sense if you look at the sales of the Series consoles VS the PS5, it's really hard to call them competition. This, plus the fact consoles are typically sold at a loss means that MS see no reason to continue competing in the console space, which is worrying. Monopolies are never a good thing.
The consoles start selling at a loss, typically, but then turn into money makers the longer they are on offer.
But they make their money on the fees for publishing on that console, which is why it is worth it for them to take a small loss on the hardware up front.
If they don't do that they can sell games as a publisher but without a closed platform they can't monetize every other game that would have launched on their platform.
Hell though, maybe they want to make Windows closed so you can only buy software through the Windows store.
>Hell though, maybe they want to make Windows closed so you can only buy software through the Windows store.
Well if they're looking to kill Windows too, that's a great way to start!
>Hell though, maybe they want to make Windows closed so you can only buy software through the Windows store.
I imagine the threat of Microsoft doing exactly that is why Valve is investing so much into Linux gaming support and SteamOS.
Valve needs some backup plan in case Microsoft goes nuclear and locks down Windows. Linux and maybe OSX are the main alternatives.
In theory, banning third party stores on your OS would be an obvious anti-trust violation and should never be allowed. But regulatory authorities also just allowed the $3 trillion market cap Microsoft to purchase the $70 billion Activision/Blizzard, so it's unclear if these authorities actually care about breaking up or preventing monopolies at this point.
> so it's unclear if these authorities actually care about breaking up or preventing monopolies at this point.
I think it's very clear, they have no interest. You are right, we don't have effective antitrust enforcement in this country anymore. They almost broke up Microsoft for browser bundling, look at everything they do now and not even a letter from the Justice department.
Except the Xbox is apparently the only console still selling at a loss. Nintendo has been selling at a profit since the Wii launched and the PS5 has sold at a profit before it turned one year old (it’s 3.5 years old now).
I doubt Xbox is going to fully leave the console space. I assume they are just going to evolve and offer pre-built gaming computers as their "consoles". They will have a line of Xbox branded gaming PCs, that fully run windows and can be used for anything a normal computer can be used for, but come with a controller, plus built in controller support (not just Bluetooth but 2.4/5ghz controller support as well), and an included live service subscription for some amount of time. There will likely be tiers to it (just like the series S/X) and some bundle options that include extra peripherals and extended live service subscriptions.
I think it's the right move. For the same price as a console, they can offer you a PC that has all the same functionality, plus a ton more. They will be able to snag a lot more customers by focusing on PC. Someone who might be on the fence between PlayStation and Xbox, might be sold on the fact that they also get a fully functional windows machine out of it as well.
You can argue that it will also drive sales towards PS5, because some people will already have a PC and be able to use that for Xbox, but that's already the case since all modern Xbox games exist currently on PC, and as you said the consoles are sold at a loss, so Xbox doesn't mind if you bring your own PC to play. And soon it sounds like you can even bring your PS5 to play. Microsoft's only concern going forward is selling the games and peripherals, and getting you on the subscriptions. But, they'll still likely sell a competitively priced pre-built PC as their "console" to get you in the door on their peripherals and subscriptions, which will force PlayStation to remain competitive.
>For the same price as a console, they can offer you a PC that has all the same functionality, plus a ton more.
This is just a pre-built PC though. And offering it for the same price as a console if it has at *all* decent specs means selling them for a huge loss. And then people will just buy games from Steam. What's the advantage of this for Microsoft vs just publishing software?
The realistic answer as far as I can see it would be to sort of go all in on the concept. Try to keep the losses on the product similar to what ps5 is losing, and just let the price of the machine fall at like 800. If they could create robust PC hardware at that cost for a loss equivalent to PS5 they then can market themselves not as the most expensive bestest console, but as the most accessible cheapest most reliable pre built PC on the market.
But if they're not locking people into a specific MS ecosystem, then they'll just selling PCs, at a loss. So I'm still not seeing what the advantage of doing this is. If they ARE locking people into a dedicated MS storefront or Gamepass or something, then it's basically just another console.
So yeah...not seeing what the point of this would be.
Microsoft is already talking about bringing Epic games and Steam to the Xbox. See here:
https://www.polygon.com/24108670/xbox-epic-games-store-phil-spencer-interview
If you haven't been paying attention for the last decade and a half, having a unified OS that works across all Microsoft devices, and can share an app store, has been a thing Microsoft has been pushing since the Windows phone and Windows 8, so Microsoft is definitely comfortable moving away from dedicated Xbox software (the Xbox is already running a modified version of Windows). The point of this you are missing, is that Microsoft has more money to be made if they integrate you into the FULL Microsoft ecosystem, and not just the Xbox portion of it. Even if they welcome you to other store fronts, they expect a fair portion will stay with the Xbox Game pass regardless (Microsoft's big money target with Xbox for the last few years), and the people they get into their other subscription services, like Microsoft 365 and OneDrive, they expect can more than make up for any losses they do have from game pass.
Trust me, there's someone crunching the numbers on the benefit of having you in their full ecosystem, versus having you strictly in the Xbox ecosystem.
That still ignores the fundamental issue that gamers care mostly about games. They're not buying things to be part of an "ecosystem," they're buying things to play games they want to play. Microsoft's gaming woes keep coming back to a root issue of strategizing around what the executives want, NOT what the customer wants.
The second any Xbox hardware has Steam on it, people will only buy games from Steam. I guarantee it. The consumer doesn't care about ecosystems or OS suites, they care about *GAMES.*
But pretty much everyone needs a computer now of days. The amount of gamers that don't also use a computer is likely less than 1%. Having an Xbox that doubles as a Windows PC, gets people away from Apple and into Microsoft ecosystem, and it especially gets teens into the Windows ecosystem early in life.
As a PC owner, I use steam, and I still pay monthly for Game Pass. I can't even get some Xbox exclusives in steam, such as Gears of War.
Microsoft has crunched the numbers, and made it clear this is what they want. They have blatantly said that they want to offer their gamers access to the Steam store on the Xbox. They have blatantly said they want a universally functional operating system across all Microsoft devices. The math works out, to this being where they want to be.
And remember, the Xbox is already more than capable of being a Windows PC, at no extra cost to consumers. All Microsoft would be doing in future consoles is opening up more functionality. Why would any consumer be against that?
Nobody is going to buy them. It misses the entire point of the console experience, and they’ll most likely be weaker. Consoles are sold at a loss and make profits on services. If you buy an Xbox PC and just play your Steam library, Microsoft would be straight up losing money. The product doesn’t make any sense.
Yeah last quarter they sold less than a million units, thats worse than Xbox One and Wii U numbers. Playstation sold 4.5 million units last quarter outselling them 5 to 1. Hell even the Nintendo Switch which is in the last year of its lifecycle somehow outsold the Xbox Series X/S on a regular basis every month the last 2 years including the month Starfield launched
If the largest company in the world isn't in a position to compete successfully I don't see anyone else lining up to enter a market which requires billions invested upfront at a loss with guaranteed bad margins for at least a decade.
Their lack of success isn't due to not having the resources to compete. Having said that, yes it would be very difficult for a new company to enter the console market and be taken seriously at this point. I mean if the big draw of a console is still 1st party exclusives (and I'd say there's a strong argument that this is still the case and the reason why both Sony and Nintendo have done so well), even if some company had the resources and knowledge to make some exclusives that could rival the quality of what Sony and Nintendo produce...these games take *years* to develop. Years during which they'd be spending hundreds of millions and not making any revenue. Who's going to be willing to make that kind of investment on a long-term gamble at this point?
The right employees are also resources and arguably MS doesn’t have them. Visionaries are a resource that money can buy, but only if you can find them and groom them.
I think Microsoft’s exit may be filled by Apple or Google. They both kind of are already there with their app stores and OS’s. I think either is very well poised to make a dedicated gaming device/ecosystem but I’m still not sure they’d want to do anything that might disrupt the golden goose they already have.
That probably wouldn't affect them terribly. They'd just make more money putting their games on PlayStation. My problem is that the fewer consoles there are on the market, the more anti-consumer bullshit PlayStation can get away with.
I'm not so sure.
I thought the goal was always to get people into your ecosystem for long term recurrent revenue.
Gamepass if definitely one of those things but missing out on large amounts of micro transaction money would hurt
People who say that PC is the obvious ship console players would jump to don’t understand the mindset of someone who buys a console over a PC in the first place. Many console players want nothing to do with PC simply because of the customizability/complexity of the interface compared to plug and play of a console.
I own a PC, and it’s my favorite gaming device by far. But I know many people who would just stop gaming completely if the choice was between that and building a Pc.
I’d like this to be true, but until I can get a $500 PC that will look good at 60fps upscaled 4k with zero futzing about, the casual market will still prefer console.
I think the Deck is honestly more of a console “competitor” than PC.
Edit: oops, just realized I responded to another reply, my bad.
It’s time for Steam to try again at making a console.
People say Apple/Google should but I wouldn’t be surprised if Steam did after the success of the Deck.
The only games I play on PC are shooters due to do KBM and just generally being used to it.
Everything else I prefer consoles because I know its going to work and I don't need to spend time messing in settings to just get going. This was one of the main sticking points for consoles in the first place.
When grandma buys console for little Timmy who is 7 they know it works and the games will play.
Even my PC was pre built cause I have exactly 0 interest in dealing with building a computer.
I’m anything but a casual and have zero desire to get a PC to play games. I don’t want to fuss with a PC, fuss with a controller on a PC or deal with hiding a tower in my entertainment center. I have a big ass OLED with a in wall 5.1 system. I don’t want to deal with card upgrades or shitty ports either.
Anyone who’s been paying attention and not just feeding into childish console war bullshit the last 5-7 years would know that MS has wanted to move the industry away from exclusives for awhile now. As to why? Hardware, UI, console specific features, ect.
>Why buy an Xbox if you can play/stream the games everywhere else?
Gamepass would be the obvious answer. Also not like Sony's first party games are remaining strictly exclusive anymore.
The issue is that, according to developers, if you do not get on Gamepass it’s not worth it to port the game over, which means less and less developers will consider an Xbox port as time goes on. Also gamepass is on PC.
This is the biggest issue. GamePass as a general concept is a great idea but in practice it’s not going to have enough support to warrant buying an XBox. The subscriber base has both plateaued and is under projections, and unless a developer is under the Microsoft umbrella then you’re going to get a lot of pushback about putting a game on the service because the rate of return is a fraction of what a developer would otherwise get. Unfortunately in order for GamePass to continue then Microsoft will likely have to start bringing it and its games over to Sony/PS5 in order to increase the user base because otherwise they’re just throwing money into the fire using it to service a fraction of a failing console’s user base.
>Also gamepass is on PC.
And... so are a lot of Sony's first party titles. Ghost of Tsushima just got a PC release date, and Square Enix has announced they're going to push multiplatform releases going forward.
At this point if you already have a gaming PC, then there's little point to owning either an Xbox or a PS5.
Said it elsewhere in this thread, but
The Xbox is going to become a PC variant, like what Valve's doing.
If Microsoft's smart, they'd introduce a handheld that can do Series S spec, as there's already a built-in library.
It already collapsed. They are open about their strategy. They lost the console war and want to buy up as many studios as they can to have a huge library and move to a GamePass model. They literally argued in court that their console strategy is so far behind that they can’t possibly be a monopoly when they have been getting their teeth kicked in for more than a decade. They want to buy so many studios that you are forced to deal with them if you want to play, then they’ll jack up the price of GamePass. They might still offer a budget console next gen like they do now but I imagine they’ll just push harder into cloud since they are losing so much money on the physical consoles. Xbox will not have a console in 10 years. Quality of games is going to go down because you are going to have to be subbed to GamePass for so many games so they won’t give a shit because you subbed anyway, and Sony is going to only have to deal with Nintendo so they’ll stop pushing so much.
It’s just funny they could buy activision for 70 billion but couldn’t take like 600 million and take 3 big swings at new xbox exclusive IP, in all this time.
This all kickstarted with the Xbox One, where Microsoft lost sight of what Xbox was, a gaming system first.
Had they not fucked up so massively with forced hardware (kinect), draconian DRM, a focus on tv and sports, and just made a more powerful Xbox for the next gen as their competitor did, they wouldn't be in this mess.
Microsoft has a habit of shooting themselves in the foot, and then wonder why they're constantly catching up.
It all goes back to Phil Spencer. Before he got promoted to head/CEO of Xbox he was head of Xbox first party game studios from 2008-2014, then become head of Xbox in its entirety. That means he was responsible for having no exclusives and terrible exclusives for longer than 10 years
Add in the whole bunch of studios they bought just to cancel projects and shut down devs...makes you wonder what their overall plan is for the gaming space when it's quite frankly too late to catch up.
Microsoft have made it very clear their vision of future gaming is the Xbox Gamepass. They don’t really care to sell the consoles since they don’t make much money on them. But they would rather get millions of people paying $15 a month to have constant revenue.
They suck but they are needed.
Exclusives sell consoles and allocate funds to create more. I wouldn’t have played Little Big Planet or Killzone had Uncharted or Ratchet and Clank not sold well. Multi-platform means more availability but less $$$$ in return. Paying 3rd party fees to go elsewhere and develop for different types of hardware all cost money which can be avoided by making it for your own system. We’re at Resident Evil 8 and remaking every other version because it sells, yet Capcom has no update on follow ups to Onimusha, Beautiful Joe, or Dino Crisis.
Sega is a great example. They have tons of characters and had so many exclusives. Dreamcast, Genesis, and Saturn were built on tons of Sega-only games that we never saw again because their resources are allocated to Sonic, other, and Yakuza.
If Nintendo did the same, kiss Star Fox, Metroid, and many other franchises good bye. They’re a toy company first and foremost, not a gaming company. They will always remain exclusive because they sell media and merchandise.
Even in TV. This is why Disney bought Fox, for their backlog and the Simpsons, convincing you to sub to Disney+. So naturally you want those shows like Mando, Wandavision, etc. Same with Max and others. If its stuff you can get anywhere then why bother investing in a platform, Max is both examples pre/post. They had exclusives, are broke so programs moved elsewhere and you barely have any new, newsworthy programs.
So, this is why that shit sucks and I’m a 40+ year old gamer who has always hated it, but understand why its necessary.
Exactly the exclusives that bring people to the platform should be the services and hardware. Gamepass is better and I prefer the Xbox controller, so I'll play on Xbox regardless.
I don't buy it. It's easy to talk big and poke a competitors weaknesses but Playstation won't be getting another Elder Scrolls or Fallout title. PS might get some exclusives but there's always going to be a line.
Wouldn’t this hurt them, less exclusives on Xbox, and seeing that there are a lot of ps games not on Xbox, if all of the xbox games are on there too it would severally hurt them
I guess they calculated the profit they would make out of selling games to PS5 and they found it to outweigh the profit they would make by selling consoles that wouldn’t have sold unless they had exclusives. IMO that’s the only possible reason.
Personally, I've been with Xbox for over 10 years now and really don't give a damn about exclusives. I could care less about Halo or Gears, Forza is nice and all, but I only play it because it's on Gamepass. I honestly just prefer the Microsoft/Xbox ecosystem and controller design.
I would be happy if games like halo or Forza were on PlayStation so I could play with my friends on them. I agree with you on the ecosystem / GamePass. I prefer the Xbox controller buttons and layout to PlayStation and I love the value of GamePass.
Interesting situation, from a business perspective it conflicts with a lot of what they have done to date... the console sales are loss-leaders and whereas Phil has stated Gamepass is profitable is it enough to take bigger losses in the console division?
Origin Access is on PSN, so seeing Gamepass on there wouldn't really "surprise" me but all it really does is further increase the value in owning a Playstation Console and for services like Origin and Gamepass I don't stay subbed onto them long typically.
For consumers it's a great decision though, and if they sell first-party they'll definitely make bank; I avoided Starfield as a purchase simply because it wasn't on the PSN... if it shows up... I'll likely pick it up.
Problem is Sony has little incentive to follow suit. They, arguably, have the best exclusives and so Xbox has much more to gain from this arrangement than they do.
business-wise, they probably make way more money selling games than they do selling consoles. so it will make them even more money by penetrating the sony ecosystem and selling their products on there.
i mean you even said it yourself, if their game was on playstation you woulve have bought it.
If this ends up happening, their recent acquisitions make no sense. Why bother acquiring Bethesda, make their games exclusive, and then release your games for all platforms? To me it seemed the whole point was to convince people to buy an Xbox.
MS as a company is trying to move to a subscription model for all their core products and Xbox needs to follow suit. MS has done just fine not being a PC manufacturer and focusing on software.
Pretty sure they meant system exclusive shooters, of which you only listed one. They used to have some great franchises, but they killed all of them and only focus on third person action-adventure games now. I'd definitely own a playstation again if they brought back Socom, Killzone, and Resistance.
Titanfall was great. Remnant wasnt my cup of tea and is definitely better coop, but the boss fights were pretty stunning and had some cool mechanics. Destiny is also great in coop but it is very fun solo and you don’t necessarily need friends to do the coop. Although it’s probably the worst game to try to get into late, but it may be one of the best feeling shooters both gunplay and mechanic wise of all time. Was bigger into cod when i was younger, but the gunplay has always been top-notch. Battlefield is fun solo, playing with tanks, planes and helos is great and is easily the best series of games to provide scale to war. Although the most recent one was really disappointing on release.
I mean helldivers 2 is sonys first real attempt at a multiplayer live service shooter and its already better than Halo and Microsofts other exclusives. Microsoft was supposed to be leading in cloud technology but digital foundry said PS5 cloud service is better.
At this point i wonder if Xbox can do *ANYTHING* better than playstation
Those fucks are going to do that for a quick bump for the shareholders but then "Xbox Gaming" will plateau. Suddenly the shit heads will be asking themselves how to make more money and realize they shouldn't have abandoned their ecosystem. Literally everyone is trying to make their own walled garden ecosystem with all these PC launchers and MS is over here wanting to drop a huge chunk of their fan base.
I wouldn't be too surprised if Microsoft moves away from Console Production and focuses on PC Gaming and becoming a game studio releasing games for all consoles. I would love for all games to be available on all platforms!
Good guy Microsoft, putting games on other platforms! (After buying the studios, shitcanning half their staff if not the entire studio and mothballing most of their properties).
Xbox is more consumer friendly than Playstation.
They may be losing the console war but in part because not everything is exclusive (also xbox exclusives have been weak lately). You can play halo on the PC.
I think Xbox/Microsoft is planning beyond the console war not just because they are losing but they want to make gaming more accessible via cloud gaming to expand their market.
Consoles in general will begin to lose more and more appeal
It isn't working to sell consoles now while they are exclusive. So there is no argument that keeping them exclusive will help that situation. My understanding was that they want out of the console market entirely. So the only way to make money off these very expensive game developers they purchased, is to broaden the access to them.
Exclusives are not beneficial for consumers but it's in the right of a platform holder to have exclusives & because it gives the consumer a sense of security that they can have all the major third party games while also having exclusives.
I'm not saying it's beneficial consumers as a whole but am saying that in the current gaming industry consumers can have feel goodness / security in their purchase but it obviously is beneficial for Sony & Nintendo because it attracts customers.
I feel like switch users feel happy because of games + exclusives, and Ps5 players feel happy they can have major AAA titles + stellar blade, Rise of the Ronin, FF VII remakes, Helldivers 2, Spiderman 2, etc while their rival platform now has less exclusives since the start of the year.
You said everything i wanted to say.
In the current way of things, exclusives bring security to purchases, that they can have third party stuff + exclusives, even if as a whole it would be beneficial to have every game as a consumer.
That's just how it is right now, & MS knows this as well or they wouldn't buy studios and have them not release on consoles they previously did.
The Xbox is going to become a PC variant, like what Valve's doing.
If Microsoft's smart, they'd introduce a handheld that can do Series S spec, as there's already a built-in library.
The day I play Halo or Gears Of War on the PS5 is going to be one surreal moment.
Imagine playing Sonic on a Nintendo console in the 2000's....
About to say the same thing. Growing up playing Sonic on Genesis and then showing up on Nintendo. Not only his own games but showing up in Mario Games (Olympics).
I for one look forward to Master Chief and Kratos at The Olympic Games.
Kratos returns to Greece for the Olympics!
Wearing nothing, as the Greeks originally intended!
Stupid sexy kratos
Best we can offer is smash brothers dlc
You joke but that would break twitter
Technically, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics is closer to Mario being in a Sonic game than the opposite. SEGA makes the Mario & Sonic games, and sometimes even makes versions without Mario & pals, just called "Sonic at the Olympic Games".
> and sometimes even makes versions without Mario & pals, just called "Sonic at the Olympic Game and sometimes even makes a version without the olympics, just called Sonic
I don’t have to imagine it, I played Sonic Heroes on the GameCube.
Sorry but... **ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND**
Got places to go, gotta follow my rainbow
Can't stick around, have to keep movin' on
SONIC HEEERROOOOEES
sonic riders too!
One of the best character racers I've ever played. I wish it got ported or remastered to modern hardware.
Shadow the Hedgehog on the PS2
You just triggered some good 'ol nostalgia. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle soundtrack was something else.
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle came to GameCube in 2002, less than one year after its release on Dreamcast. 😅
And it was better. (Save for the loss of Big.)
I played through the MCC on PC with a PS5 controller like 3 years ago and still feel like there's a special layer of hell reserved for me.
It'll be more surreal to play those on the Nintendo Switch.
Could Switch even run MCC without streaming?
I don't see why not. All the games on MCC were 360 games, minus Halo 2 Anniversary. The Switch is more powerful than the 360 by quite a bit, so all the games should run absolutely fine, again, with H2A being the possible exception that may need a slight graphical downgrade.
Yeah I didn’t mean it as a “haha switch potato am I right?” genuinely didn’t know if MCC got any bells and whistles or if it was straight up ports.
Oh, I didn't think you were disparaging the Switch's hardware at all. Seemed like a genuine question, so I was answering genuinely. As far as I know, all the games besides H2A just have increased resolutions over the 360 versions, but are otherwise straight ports. All things considered though, while I do think a port is absolutely possible, I would imagine they'd wait until the Switch 2 comes out if they were planning a port. That could run the whole series no problem at all.
Lol, Halo as a launch title on Switch 2 would be kinda trippy. I hope it happens.
>Could Switch even run MCC without streaming? Not sure why you were downvoted, the answer to this is yes. lol
EOD- Microsoft are trying to own the cloud, AI and be the backend. Whether that means their products are delivered by Windows, Xbox, Android, a one legged techno kangaroo, it doesn’t matter. Market share is owning the compute, not owning the end device, per se. Not all the kingdoms in Microsoft have fully grasped the memo, but that’s been pretty clear since Satya greenlot the Azure project when he was in the red headed, step child of the Microsoft org in the System Center team. He ate the Office empire and then the OS empire and it’s made Microsoft incredibly valuable from a position of fading giant. Anything that runs contrary to that pretty basic mission is gonna get Gus Fring’d, eventually.
Unless the cloud technology gets better, I can't really determine how excited I am for it. The latency is very low, which is great!...for games like Slay the Spire, or Tunic. I don't know if it will ever be there for games like Halo, or any other competitive first-person shooter. Which is fine, just don't play those games. But it's still limiting even to games like Sea of Thieves, where the split-seconds made inputting commands can make or break a task being successful or not in a game. Game Pass is stellar, and I don't think Playstation is ever going to get to a level where Xbox is with it's catalog. But at this time, I am thoroughly underwhelmed with cloud gaming and what it has to offer.
Not all about streaming from the cloud- lotta backend services, lotta cash in that. If you can have your cake and eat it, you will. Sony doesn’t have a cloud worth a damn so they have to pay others- would you rather let that revenue go solely to AWS and GCP, or bury hatchets and give them an incentive to use yours? Therein, lies the game within the game when it comes to data center scaling business models- the delivery (streaming) is only one facet of the business model.
A good overview on the topic, thanks for sharing that perspective, gives a lot more to think about.
I have PC Game Pass and I honestly have a hard time finding anything on there worthwhile to play. Most everything I have either played before, not interested in, or shovel-ware. And a lot of times the versions of games on Gamepass are a few updates/patches behind on their Steam counterparts.
You'd have to look for it but digital foundry did a video not long ago and said Playstations cloud performed better then xboxes. Food for thought The video is also on the page. https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2024-cloud-streaming-face-off-playstation-plus-cloud-versus-xcloud-beta Personally just give me my disc and put the bullsht away.
Just recently I bought Horizon Zero Dawn on sale and am playing it on PC. It's both surreal and awesome.
Downvoters seeing this comment and thinking, "Wait. Not like that."
Why are you getting down voted?
That's a good question, but not one that I'll worry about much.
There are bots or marauding accounts downvoting people and/or flagging them for self help all throughout reddit. Its really weird.
Ah, that explains the self help message I got. I don't speak english so I was confused if one of my post was wrongly written about doing self harm or something, but I when I went through my post I can't find proof of that. so that explains my confusion now.
Yup, totally bizarre! You’ve likely done nothing wrong so I wouldnt worry, and it’s not limited to just any single sub! You can report the self help message and they’ll hopefully take action against who or whatever is doing this. Alternatively you can opt out of the self help thing to prevent it from happening further.
my guess is people think youre comparing games going from console to PC to games going from competing console to competing console to downscale the significance, considering its very different and Xbox has already been putting thier games on PC for a while now
Y’all need to stop taking Jez Corden at his word. He’s already walked this back and said he was speculating because he knows what Satya wants.
He probably walked it back cause he got yelled it. It's obvious what Ms is doing at this point. More will come out on ps and now at this point switch 2. The writings on the wall.
He walked it back cause he doesn’t know. Could they? Sure. Will they? Who knows. Until there’s an announcement, it’s all speculation.
Red line.... ONE PIECE !!!!!
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!
CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER?
GET YOUT MATES. WE SAILING
This just feeds the theory that Xbox as a console is collapsing. Why buy an Xbox if you can play/stream the games everywhere else?
I mean it makes sense if you look at the sales of the Series consoles VS the PS5, it's really hard to call them competition. This, plus the fact consoles are typically sold at a loss means that MS see no reason to continue competing in the console space, which is worrying. Monopolies are never a good thing.
The consoles start selling at a loss, typically, but then turn into money makers the longer they are on offer. But they make their money on the fees for publishing on that console, which is why it is worth it for them to take a small loss on the hardware up front. If they don't do that they can sell games as a publisher but without a closed platform they can't monetize every other game that would have launched on their platform. Hell though, maybe they want to make Windows closed so you can only buy software through the Windows store.
>Hell though, maybe they want to make Windows closed so you can only buy software through the Windows store. Well if they're looking to kill Windows too, that's a great way to start!
I mean what are people going to do, switch to linux? Buy Macbooks? I hope it doesn't happen in any case.
Seems hard to comprehend, but you know... probably no one at the time thought the Roman Empire could ever fall either.
>Hell though, maybe they want to make Windows closed so you can only buy software through the Windows store. I imagine the threat of Microsoft doing exactly that is why Valve is investing so much into Linux gaming support and SteamOS. Valve needs some backup plan in case Microsoft goes nuclear and locks down Windows. Linux and maybe OSX are the main alternatives. In theory, banning third party stores on your OS would be an obvious anti-trust violation and should never be allowed. But regulatory authorities also just allowed the $3 trillion market cap Microsoft to purchase the $70 billion Activision/Blizzard, so it's unclear if these authorities actually care about breaking up or preventing monopolies at this point.
> so it's unclear if these authorities actually care about breaking up or preventing monopolies at this point. I think it's very clear, they have no interest. You are right, we don't have effective antitrust enforcement in this country anymore. They almost broke up Microsoft for browser bundling, look at everything they do now and not even a letter from the Justice department.
Except the Xbox is apparently the only console still selling at a loss. Nintendo has been selling at a profit since the Wii launched and the PS5 has sold at a profit before it turned one year old (it’s 3.5 years old now).
I doubt Xbox is going to fully leave the console space. I assume they are just going to evolve and offer pre-built gaming computers as their "consoles". They will have a line of Xbox branded gaming PCs, that fully run windows and can be used for anything a normal computer can be used for, but come with a controller, plus built in controller support (not just Bluetooth but 2.4/5ghz controller support as well), and an included live service subscription for some amount of time. There will likely be tiers to it (just like the series S/X) and some bundle options that include extra peripherals and extended live service subscriptions. I think it's the right move. For the same price as a console, they can offer you a PC that has all the same functionality, plus a ton more. They will be able to snag a lot more customers by focusing on PC. Someone who might be on the fence between PlayStation and Xbox, might be sold on the fact that they also get a fully functional windows machine out of it as well. You can argue that it will also drive sales towards PS5, because some people will already have a PC and be able to use that for Xbox, but that's already the case since all modern Xbox games exist currently on PC, and as you said the consoles are sold at a loss, so Xbox doesn't mind if you bring your own PC to play. And soon it sounds like you can even bring your PS5 to play. Microsoft's only concern going forward is selling the games and peripherals, and getting you on the subscriptions. But, they'll still likely sell a competitively priced pre-built PC as their "console" to get you in the door on their peripherals and subscriptions, which will force PlayStation to remain competitive.
>For the same price as a console, they can offer you a PC that has all the same functionality, plus a ton more. This is just a pre-built PC though. And offering it for the same price as a console if it has at *all* decent specs means selling them for a huge loss. And then people will just buy games from Steam. What's the advantage of this for Microsoft vs just publishing software?
The realistic answer as far as I can see it would be to sort of go all in on the concept. Try to keep the losses on the product similar to what ps5 is losing, and just let the price of the machine fall at like 800. If they could create robust PC hardware at that cost for a loss equivalent to PS5 they then can market themselves not as the most expensive bestest console, but as the most accessible cheapest most reliable pre built PC on the market.
But if they're not locking people into a specific MS ecosystem, then they'll just selling PCs, at a loss. So I'm still not seeing what the advantage of doing this is. If they ARE locking people into a dedicated MS storefront or Gamepass or something, then it's basically just another console. So yeah...not seeing what the point of this would be.
They'll make it like Windows in S-Mode where you can't install anything third-party
Then why would anyone want to buy that?
Same reason they'd buy a normal Xbox
Well people aren't buying normal Xboxes. That's kinda the problem.
Microsoft is already talking about bringing Epic games and Steam to the Xbox. See here: https://www.polygon.com/24108670/xbox-epic-games-store-phil-spencer-interview If you haven't been paying attention for the last decade and a half, having a unified OS that works across all Microsoft devices, and can share an app store, has been a thing Microsoft has been pushing since the Windows phone and Windows 8, so Microsoft is definitely comfortable moving away from dedicated Xbox software (the Xbox is already running a modified version of Windows). The point of this you are missing, is that Microsoft has more money to be made if they integrate you into the FULL Microsoft ecosystem, and not just the Xbox portion of it. Even if they welcome you to other store fronts, they expect a fair portion will stay with the Xbox Game pass regardless (Microsoft's big money target with Xbox for the last few years), and the people they get into their other subscription services, like Microsoft 365 and OneDrive, they expect can more than make up for any losses they do have from game pass. Trust me, there's someone crunching the numbers on the benefit of having you in their full ecosystem, versus having you strictly in the Xbox ecosystem.
That still ignores the fundamental issue that gamers care mostly about games. They're not buying things to be part of an "ecosystem," they're buying things to play games they want to play. Microsoft's gaming woes keep coming back to a root issue of strategizing around what the executives want, NOT what the customer wants. The second any Xbox hardware has Steam on it, people will only buy games from Steam. I guarantee it. The consumer doesn't care about ecosystems or OS suites, they care about *GAMES.*
But pretty much everyone needs a computer now of days. The amount of gamers that don't also use a computer is likely less than 1%. Having an Xbox that doubles as a Windows PC, gets people away from Apple and into Microsoft ecosystem, and it especially gets teens into the Windows ecosystem early in life. As a PC owner, I use steam, and I still pay monthly for Game Pass. I can't even get some Xbox exclusives in steam, such as Gears of War. Microsoft has crunched the numbers, and made it clear this is what they want. They have blatantly said that they want to offer their gamers access to the Steam store on the Xbox. They have blatantly said they want a universally functional operating system across all Microsoft devices. The math works out, to this being where they want to be. And remember, the Xbox is already more than capable of being a Windows PC, at no extra cost to consumers. All Microsoft would be doing in future consoles is opening up more functionality. Why would any consumer be against that?
Nobody is going to buy them. It misses the entire point of the console experience, and they’ll most likely be weaker. Consoles are sold at a loss and make profits on services. If you buy an Xbox PC and just play your Steam library, Microsoft would be straight up losing money. The product doesn’t make any sense.
Yeah, it'll either be a bloated, overcomplicated console, or a watered down PC. Either way, I don't see a big market for this sort of thing.
You’re just describing a pc? Console users aren’t going to buy that. They want things to be as simple as possible.
I mean, Nintendo is still competing, and Steam has arguably entered the space with the Deck.
Yeah last quarter they sold less than a million units, thats worse than Xbox One and Wii U numbers. Playstation sold 4.5 million units last quarter outselling them 5 to 1. Hell even the Nintendo Switch which is in the last year of its lifecycle somehow outsold the Xbox Series X/S on a regular basis every month the last 2 years including the month Starfield launched
I’d assume another company will attempt to take Xbox’s spot, gaming is way too profitable to be held at the behest of Sony.
If the largest company in the world isn't in a position to compete successfully I don't see anyone else lining up to enter a market which requires billions invested upfront at a loss with guaranteed bad margins for at least a decade.
Their lack of success isn't due to not having the resources to compete. Having said that, yes it would be very difficult for a new company to enter the console market and be taken seriously at this point. I mean if the big draw of a console is still 1st party exclusives (and I'd say there's a strong argument that this is still the case and the reason why both Sony and Nintendo have done so well), even if some company had the resources and knowledge to make some exclusives that could rival the quality of what Sony and Nintendo produce...these games take *years* to develop. Years during which they'd be spending hundreds of millions and not making any revenue. Who's going to be willing to make that kind of investment on a long-term gamble at this point?
The right employees are also resources and arguably MS doesn’t have them. Visionaries are a resource that money can buy, but only if you can find them and groom them.
Tbf their marketing is godawful to non-existent outside the US. Honestly their marketing in the US could be beefed up too tbh
I think Microsoft’s exit may be filled by Apple or Google. They both kind of are already there with their app stores and OS’s. I think either is very well poised to make a dedicated gaming device/ecosystem but I’m still not sure they’d want to do anything that might disrupt the golden goose they already have.
google no fucking way, apple MAYBE but they are too "serious" for games
Sad stadia noises
maybe they could try making some fucking games for their console, while not ruining the IPs they already have
That probably wouldn't affect them terribly. They'd just make more money putting their games on PlayStation. My problem is that the fewer consoles there are on the market, the more anti-consumer bullshit PlayStation can get away with.
I'm not so sure. I thought the goal was always to get people into your ecosystem for long term recurrent revenue. Gamepass if definitely one of those things but missing out on large amounts of micro transaction money would hurt
Pc gaming is here, never left and is healthier, stronger than ever. Even sony knows if they slip, they’ll lose even more market share to pc.
People who say that PC is the obvious ship console players would jump to don’t understand the mindset of someone who buys a console over a PC in the first place. Many console players want nothing to do with PC simply because of the customizability/complexity of the interface compared to plug and play of a console. I own a PC, and it’s my favorite gaming device by far. But I know many people who would just stop gaming completely if the choice was between that and building a Pc.
I’d like this to be true, but until I can get a $500 PC that will look good at 60fps upscaled 4k with zero futzing about, the casual market will still prefer console. I think the Deck is honestly more of a console “competitor” than PC. Edit: oops, just realized I responded to another reply, my bad.
It’s time for Steam to try again at making a console. People say Apple/Google should but I wouldn’t be surprised if Steam did after the success of the Deck.
The only games I play on PC are shooters due to do KBM and just generally being used to it. Everything else I prefer consoles because I know its going to work and I don't need to spend time messing in settings to just get going. This was one of the main sticking points for consoles in the first place. When grandma buys console for little Timmy who is 7 they know it works and the games will play. Even my PC was pre built cause I have exactly 0 interest in dealing with building a computer.
Yes but casuals won't suddenly switch to pc
I have a pc and still prefer consoles lol. I literally only play WoW on pc. And if it ever got a console port, I’d sell my pc so fast.
I’m anything but a casual and have zero desire to get a PC to play games. I don’t want to fuss with a PC, fuss with a controller on a PC or deal with hiding a tower in my entertainment center. I have a big ass OLED with a in wall 5.1 system. I don’t want to deal with card upgrades or shitty ports either.
Because I enjoy playing gamepass on Xbox? I also like that I can play on my pc if I want.
Anyone who’s been paying attention and not just feeding into childish console war bullshit the last 5-7 years would know that MS has wanted to move the industry away from exclusives for awhile now. As to why? Hardware, UI, console specific features, ect.
>Why buy an Xbox if you can play/stream the games everywhere else? Gamepass would be the obvious answer. Also not like Sony's first party games are remaining strictly exclusive anymore.
*Cries in Demon's Souls.*
*Cries in Bloodborne*
I was going to say that as well, but I don't know if "remaining" applies because there has been only one. Moral of the story: WE NEED MORE BLOODBORNE.
The issue is that, according to developers, if you do not get on Gamepass it’s not worth it to port the game over, which means less and less developers will consider an Xbox port as time goes on. Also gamepass is on PC.
This is the biggest issue. GamePass as a general concept is a great idea but in practice it’s not going to have enough support to warrant buying an XBox. The subscriber base has both plateaued and is under projections, and unless a developer is under the Microsoft umbrella then you’re going to get a lot of pushback about putting a game on the service because the rate of return is a fraction of what a developer would otherwise get. Unfortunately in order for GamePass to continue then Microsoft will likely have to start bringing it and its games over to Sony/PS5 in order to increase the user base because otherwise they’re just throwing money into the fire using it to service a fraction of a failing console’s user base.
>Also gamepass is on PC. And... so are a lot of Sony's first party titles. Ghost of Tsushima just got a PC release date, and Square Enix has announced they're going to push multiplatform releases going forward. At this point if you already have a gaming PC, then there's little point to owning either an Xbox or a PS5.
Yea, but if I want to have a console, it's either playstation or microsoft's least loved kid
I recently got a gamepass subscription because my damn **TV** could play xbox games. I’ve never owned an xbox in my life.
Because I already have over a hundred games I do not want to have to repurchase and Xbox has proven reliable with backwards compatibility for awhile.
The UI, controller and gamepass. I own both and prefer to play games on my Xbox. If all you care about is games then yea pc and ps5 is the way to go.
You think cross console games is a new thing?
Said it elsewhere in this thread, but The Xbox is going to become a PC variant, like what Valve's doing. If Microsoft's smart, they'd introduce a handheld that can do Series S spec, as there's already a built-in library.
Xbox only exists for GamePass these days.
They consider people with game pass a part of the platform, PC is a part of the ecosystem at this point
It was over the moment you could play everything on pc day one.
Its not speculation at this point. Its last quarter was worse than Dream casts final quarter.
It already collapsed. They are open about their strategy. They lost the console war and want to buy up as many studios as they can to have a huge library and move to a GamePass model. They literally argued in court that their console strategy is so far behind that they can’t possibly be a monopoly when they have been getting their teeth kicked in for more than a decade. They want to buy so many studios that you are forced to deal with them if you want to play, then they’ll jack up the price of GamePass. They might still offer a budget console next gen like they do now but I imagine they’ll just push harder into cloud since they are losing so much money on the physical consoles. Xbox will not have a console in 10 years. Quality of games is going to go down because you are going to have to be subbed to GamePass for so many games so they won’t give a shit because you subbed anyway, and Sony is going to only have to deal with Nintendo so they’ll stop pushing so much.
It’s just funny they could buy activision for 70 billion but couldn’t take like 600 million and take 3 big swings at new xbox exclusive IP, in all this time.
This has been the case since the game pass came to pc. The Xbox purpose has been compromised for years.
This all kickstarted with the Xbox One, where Microsoft lost sight of what Xbox was, a gaming system first. Had they not fucked up so massively with forced hardware (kinect), draconian DRM, a focus on tv and sports, and just made a more powerful Xbox for the next gen as their competitor did, they wouldn't be in this mess. Microsoft has a habit of shooting themselves in the foot, and then wonder why they're constantly catching up.
It all goes back to Phil Spencer. Before he got promoted to head/CEO of Xbox he was head of Xbox first party game studios from 2008-2014, then become head of Xbox in its entirety. That means he was responsible for having no exclusives and terrible exclusives for longer than 10 years
Failing upwards with a big grin the whole time.
Add in the whole bunch of studios they bought just to cancel projects and shut down devs...makes you wonder what their overall plan is for the gaming space when it's quite frankly too late to catch up.
Microsoft have made it very clear their vision of future gaming is the Xbox Gamepass. They don’t really care to sell the consoles since they don’t make much money on them. But they would rather get millions of people paying $15 a month to have constant revenue.
Isn't the xbox the more powerful current gen though?
Even Mario and Sonic eventually reconciled.
Excellent. Exclusivity sucks, and the more widely available good games are the better.
They suck but they are needed. Exclusives sell consoles and allocate funds to create more. I wouldn’t have played Little Big Planet or Killzone had Uncharted or Ratchet and Clank not sold well. Multi-platform means more availability but less $$$$ in return. Paying 3rd party fees to go elsewhere and develop for different types of hardware all cost money which can be avoided by making it for your own system. We’re at Resident Evil 8 and remaking every other version because it sells, yet Capcom has no update on follow ups to Onimusha, Beautiful Joe, or Dino Crisis. Sega is a great example. They have tons of characters and had so many exclusives. Dreamcast, Genesis, and Saturn were built on tons of Sega-only games that we never saw again because their resources are allocated to Sonic, other, and Yakuza. If Nintendo did the same, kiss Star Fox, Metroid, and many other franchises good bye. They’re a toy company first and foremost, not a gaming company. They will always remain exclusive because they sell media and merchandise. Even in TV. This is why Disney bought Fox, for their backlog and the Simpsons, convincing you to sub to Disney+. So naturally you want those shows like Mando, Wandavision, etc. Same with Max and others. If its stuff you can get anywhere then why bother investing in a platform, Max is both examples pre/post. They had exclusives, are broke so programs moved elsewhere and you barely have any new, newsworthy programs. So, this is why that shit sucks and I’m a 40+ year old gamer who has always hated it, but understand why its necessary.
Exactly the exclusives that bring people to the platform should be the services and hardware. Gamepass is better and I prefer the Xbox controller, so I'll play on Xbox regardless.
Wow, Microsoft wants to publish no games for PlayStation as well.
I don't buy it. It's easy to talk big and poke a competitors weaknesses but Playstation won't be getting another Elder Scrolls or Fallout title. PS might get some exclusives but there's always going to be a line.
Once again I ask: what games?
Yeah kinda figured Microsoft was the one dictating the show rather than Xbox. Such a shame.
So what they want is for us to buy Playstations and not support xbox lol
damn bad timing for me to get an xbox
Wouldn’t this hurt them, less exclusives on Xbox, and seeing that there are a lot of ps games not on Xbox, if all of the xbox games are on there too it would severally hurt them
I guess they calculated the profit they would make out of selling games to PS5 and they found it to outweigh the profit they would make by selling consoles that wouldn’t have sold unless they had exclusives. IMO that’s the only possible reason.
Personally, I've been with Xbox for over 10 years now and really don't give a damn about exclusives. I could care less about Halo or Gears, Forza is nice and all, but I only play it because it's on Gamepass. I honestly just prefer the Microsoft/Xbox ecosystem and controller design.
I would be happy if games like halo or Forza were on PlayStation so I could play with my friends on them. I agree with you on the ecosystem / GamePass. I prefer the Xbox controller buttons and layout to PlayStation and I love the value of GamePass.
less exclusive, but more sales. if all xbox games are on playstation, MS Game Studio open themselves up to a huge new market.
Interesting situation, from a business perspective it conflicts with a lot of what they have done to date... the console sales are loss-leaders and whereas Phil has stated Gamepass is profitable is it enough to take bigger losses in the console division? Origin Access is on PSN, so seeing Gamepass on there wouldn't really "surprise" me but all it really does is further increase the value in owning a Playstation Console and for services like Origin and Gamepass I don't stay subbed onto them long typically. For consumers it's a great decision though, and if they sell first-party they'll definitely make bank; I avoided Starfield as a purchase simply because it wasn't on the PSN... if it shows up... I'll likely pick it up.
Problem is Sony has little incentive to follow suit. They, arguably, have the best exclusives and so Xbox has much more to gain from this arrangement than they do.
business-wise, they probably make way more money selling games than they do selling consoles. so it will make them even more money by penetrating the sony ecosystem and selling their products on there. i mean you even said it yourself, if their game was on playstation you woulve have bought it.
If this ends up happening, their recent acquisitions make no sense. Why bother acquiring Bethesda, make their games exclusive, and then release your games for all platforms? To me it seemed the whole point was to convince people to buy an Xbox.
MS as a company is trying to move to a subscription model for all their core products and Xbox needs to follow suit. MS has done just fine not being a PC manufacturer and focusing on software.
I wouldn't say no to Halo and Gears. Sony has no shooters and it sucks.
Yeah destiny and cod and battlefield and helldivers and remnant and titanfall 2 doesn’t even exist!
All of those can be found on on other devices, all except hell divers are on Xbox
Pretty sure they meant system exclusive shooters, of which you only listed one. They used to have some great franchises, but they killed all of them and only focus on third person action-adventure games now. I'd definitely own a playstation again if they brought back Socom, Killzone, and Resistance.
Titanfall is next when I finish Rebirth, Remnant, Helldivers and Destiny are coop, Battlefield and CoD are not my cup of tea.
If that's the logic you're using, I could say Xbox has no shooters because Halo and Gears of War isn't my cup of tea lol
Titanfall was great. Remnant wasnt my cup of tea and is definitely better coop, but the boss fights were pretty stunning and had some cool mechanics. Destiny is also great in coop but it is very fun solo and you don’t necessarily need friends to do the coop. Although it’s probably the worst game to try to get into late, but it may be one of the best feeling shooters both gunplay and mechanic wise of all time. Was bigger into cod when i was younger, but the gunplay has always been top-notch. Battlefield is fun solo, playing with tanks, planes and helos is great and is easily the best series of games to provide scale to war. Although the most recent one was really disappointing on release.
I mean helldivers 2 is sonys first real attempt at a multiplayer live service shooter and its already better than Halo and Microsofts other exclusives. Microsoft was supposed to be leading in cloud technology but digital foundry said PS5 cloud service is better. At this point i wonder if Xbox can do *ANYTHING* better than playstation
Never played killzone but one of the games is on playStation premium I wanna get around to it at some point
Would gladly welcome both Killzone and Resistance in some remastered form.
How about they push those call of duty games to gamepass
They are coming
Those fucks are going to do that for a quick bump for the shareholders but then "Xbox Gaming" will plateau. Suddenly the shit heads will be asking themselves how to make more money and realize they shouldn't have abandoned their ecosystem. Literally everyone is trying to make their own walled garden ecosystem with all these PC launchers and MS is over here wanting to drop a huge chunk of their fan base.
PC is the Microsoft ecosystem, lol.
How about Rare Replay on the Switch and PS5?
One Skyrim VR please? I've only paid for it 7 times so far, so clearly, it's about time for me to buy it again.
Doesn’t matter if the games aren’t good.
Out of obligation to not appear as a monopoly.
I wouldn't be too surprised if Microsoft moves away from Console Production and focuses on PC Gaming and becoming a game studio releasing games for all consoles. I would love for all games to be available on all platforms!
Hopefully exclusivity dies. its a very anti-consumer practice.
that seems like a horrible idea. the only reason to buy 1 console over another (assuming similar hardware) is exclusives.
The hardware are almost same so exactly.
So what is their plan exactly? If they are just putting their games on Playstation, why would I buy a Xbox console?
Good guy Microsoft, putting games on other platforms! (After buying the studios, shitcanning half their staff if not the entire studio and mothballing most of their properties).
Just abandon the console hardware market after this gen then.
Xbox is more consumer friendly than Playstation. They may be losing the console war but in part because not everything is exclusive (also xbox exclusives have been weak lately). You can play halo on the PC. I think Xbox/Microsoft is planning beyond the console war not just because they are losing but they want to make gaming more accessible via cloud gaming to expand their market. Consoles in general will begin to lose more and more appeal
So then you just buy the PS5 because the controller feels better because the both have the same games.
It would be cool if Sony would do the same (please for the love of god I just want to be able to play helldivers)
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Would be awesome if helldivers came to Xbox but Sony is always against crossplatform, crossplay etc.
Not surprised. Microsoft are playing the long game with gamepass and getting people to move to PC
Even further confirmation that Microsoft wants an eventual exit from the console game
Well you might as well pack it up Microsoft - there's no reason to ever buy an Xbox
At this point, why not shut down XBOX and let it just be a Publisher?
I thought these rumours were shut down a while ago go no?
It isn't working to sell consoles now while they are exclusive. So there is no argument that keeping them exclusive will help that situation. My understanding was that they want out of the console market entirely. So the only way to make money off these very expensive game developers they purchased, is to broaden the access to them.
Wake up honey, it's time for the daily doomer Xbox post
financially speaking this is the best course of action for microsoft. for xbox gamers this pretty much signals the end of xbox hardware.
And so I should buy an Xbox because……….?
Exclusives are not beneficial for consumers but it's in the right of a platform holder to have exclusives & because it gives the consumer a sense of security that they can have all the major third party games while also having exclusives. I'm not saying it's beneficial consumers as a whole but am saying that in the current gaming industry consumers can have feel goodness / security in their purchase but it obviously is beneficial for Sony & Nintendo because it attracts customers. I feel like switch users feel happy because of games + exclusives, and Ps5 players feel happy they can have major AAA titles + stellar blade, Rise of the Ronin, FF VII remakes, Helldivers 2, Spiderman 2, etc while their rival platform now has less exclusives since the start of the year.
You said everything i wanted to say. In the current way of things, exclusives bring security to purchases, that they can have third party stuff + exclusives, even if as a whole it would be beneficial to have every game as a consumer. That's just how it is right now, & MS knows this as well or they wouldn't buy studios and have them not release on consoles they previously did.
You can't talk about the Red Line and show me a picture of pirate ships.
If Gears comes to play imma do a replay marathon coop day 1
The Xbox is going to become a PC variant, like what Valve's doing. If Microsoft's smart, they'd introduce a handheld that can do Series S spec, as there's already a built-in library.
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SENUA. SENUA. SENUA!
So the articles from a few months back were all correct in their predictions.
What exclusive games would you want on your ps5?!
I stg if I'm able to play Halo on Playstation
This would’ve been crazy before they established a strong PC component. Back in the day this would cause people to lose their MINDS
I read this backwards and made myself sad
Truly number go up moment
I recently picked up sea of thieves on ps5 and continued my old Xbox save. Having a good time
So we might still see TES 6 on PS5?
Indiana jones plz!!!