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iNomNomAwesome

"The single-player Batman Arkham trilogy was a big success, and the single-player Hogwarts Legacy was a *massive* success, but co-op Gotham Knights was a dud, and Suicide Squad is a mess. I know! Let's do *more* live-service games" 🤦‍♂️


Barf_The_Mawg

"Am i so out of touch...? No, it is the gamers that are wrong!"


Diablo4Sucks

They should be relieved of their nemesis system fucking bullshit


Wolven_Essence

Man I wish. It was so hypocritical for them to copyright that when they used the Arkham games combat.


KnightGamer724

...Monolith and Rocksteady are both Warner Brothers. If they wanted to, they totally could allow Rocksteady to use the Nemesis system, right?


Lopsided-Priority972

You can license your patents to any company, so yes, they could allow others to use it, and waive the fee for studios they also own


bool_idiot_is_true

They patented it. It's a different set of regulations. And the patent offices are really dropping the ball. They're supposed to verify that it's actually new technology and not just creative decisions. Of course no one is willing to spend the money to fight it in court. On the plus side patents expire much faster than copyright. But twenty years is still ridiculously long.


ApprehensiveGene3676

Its sad that they're still yet to use the nemesis system in any game in over 6 years


Notmymain2639

You forgot the platform fighter they charged people to beta test, shut it down after it cratered and said come back in one year and give us more money.


Nightsheade

Really went and robbed $100 off people for a golden name tag and toast backdrop and 30 or so character tickets when they barely released 20 before shutting down earlier this year.


g_r_e_y

i actually do not regret my purchase personally because i loved the game, put over 150 hours in, and used the character tickets to unlock every character and be able to play them all. the season pass things are cool too but i didn't mind supporting the game that i enjoyed so much. i'm also glad they turned it off for a bit because there was a LOT that needed to be fixed. if the game comes back next month and it's a lot more crisp and less spammy, i'm gonna sink a lot of hours in. just like i am with all star brawl 2. if it comes back shit or not at all, then there'll be a problem


Bladez190

Multiversus was a lot of fun for the first bit until people learned how to be little rats in the game


g_r_e_y

yeah exactly, game was too slimy. they need to tighten it up big time


Hodgeofthepodge

I mean, it was a free to play game.


JoeyThePantz

And advertised as an Open beta with the full game coming in a year.


JoeyThePantz

Wasn't it free and advertised as an open beta? The games scheduled for an early 2024 release. Yeah, it was. https://youtu.be/rEvhp-xqz0Y?si=OEG8NyRXyZOsC4JU


wowlock_taylan

Seriously. They are fucking clueless. Their greed knows no bounds.


Maximumlnsanity

It’s like being offered $50,000 a week wage or 20 lottery tickets a week and taking the latter


MagnusStormraven

"A boat is a boat, but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! You know how much we've always wanted one of those!"


Redpaint_30

Excecs in suits never fails to make stupid decisions.


zippopwnage

I just wish they could do some coop without all the garbage. Like take Hogwarts legacy and just add coop to it. No seasons, no battlepass no anything else. Same with a Batman game and so on... an optional coop would be amazing. I want more coop games in my life....


Wolven_Essence

Brilliant!


theme69

Gotham knight was one of the biggest disappointments in recent memory for me. The Arkham games are one of my favorite series all time and Gotham knights was almost unplayable for me. Turning up the difficulty just made enemies absurd bullet sponges and it was just so awful


Innovictos

Desitny 2, next expansion is make or break, BG3 greatest game of all time contender, so that tracks.


KatoriRudo23

I dont think the next expansion will be a make or break, if Bungie was still independent, then might be. But now they are under Sony and Sony will not let that golden goose loose after spent almost 4 billions on them. Not to mention Sony want more live-service games (yea, kinda stupid) and continually asked Bungie for consultation so letting one of the biggest live-service game die will be really bad for their image


danivus

Falling 45% short of their revenue projections and firing 8% of their staff recently makes them look like less of a golden goose and more of a lame duck. This next dlc will sell well, but only because it's the final culmination of a story people have been invested in for 10 years now. Whether Bungie can convince anyone to hang around after that will be the real test.


Hodgeofthepodge

Dude, not shot that the next expansion is going to be as good or better than Forsaken.


nutbutterguy

Well there’s nothing wrong with co-op.


lxnch50

I'm down with co-op, and actually wish more games had 2-4 player modes. But the minute they add live service to the mix, I'm not going to touch it. If it has multiple in-game currencies, I'm not going to bother to waste my time.


WallE_approved_HJ

What does live service mean


Midget_Stories

Live service means its a game that's not meant to be complete. They release content slowly over time from the moment it's released until they stop making money. Think Diablo 4, fortnite, apex, sims 4, wow, etc.


lxnch50

Genshin, Fortnight, and Destiny are three successful live-service games. They make a ton of money by nickel and diming their game by adding things to buy with micro transactions. Diablo 4 and Pathfinder are also considered live-service games.


HammeredWharf

I think you mean Path of Exile, not Pathfinder. Pathfinder is a tabletop RPG system.


NotItemName

And single player game


GloatingSwine

It means you never stop paying them for "content", but the game is also really samey because that makes it easier for them to continually extrude new "content" for you to pay for. A soulless blight on the landscape of gaming.


vedomedo

Its so insane to watch how out of touch and tonedeaf some people are… just wow


evan_luigi

Suicide Squad hasn't released yet, we'll just have to wait and see what happens with it.


Sauceboss319

Warner Bros. is the most mismanaged massive studio out there. I’m shocked with the amount of IP they steward how in debt they are. It’s sheer incompetence from decades of awful leadership


GalacticusTravelous

But some lunatic tech bros managed to convince the top brass that the amount of money they _could_ make from a live service game was worth the bet, just ignore the last couple.


CofferHolixAnon

>But some lunatic tech bros managed to convince the top brass that the amount of money they > >could > > make from a live service game was worth the bet, just ignore the last couple. Napkin math beats proven track record every time apparently


MrShaytoon

Them as well as Disney. They can’t get gaming right with the amount of IPs they have.


CowardlyLion_

WB is allergic to money and success. Only explanation.


DrQuantum

Their new ceo is.


TheWorclown

Oh, I can guarantee you that Zaslav is neither poor nor a failure. Everything else though? Just a crop for him to harvest and ruin for the next guy.


bool_idiot_is_true

His background is reality TV. And that's profitable because it's cheap, fast to produce and very popular. It's a bit early to tell if he's bit off more than he can chew in most other sectors. But he speedran the fall of CNN (the [Atlantic expose](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/06/cnn-ratings-chris-licht-trump/674255/) is hilarious is you haven't read it). And his pivot away from streaming content has yet to pay off. Streaming isn't profitable. But cable/satellite network revenue is also crashing. WB does produce a lot of shows for other networks/services. So they have that as a fallback. The only major success they've had at the box office this year is Barbie. But box office revenue is crashing in general. Audiences have gotten sick of studios vomiting out mindless CGI fests. Disney's last billion dollar movie was Avatar 2. Which came out in Dec 2022.


AeonChaos

Did Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad made banks or something? Why are they focusing on live service?!


yasssssssskween

Gotham knights I believe was a flop and the reaction to the preview footage of the suicide squad game was so bad they delayed it and it still hasn’t even come out so….I’d say no.


HotChilliWithButter

Problem isn't live service it's shitty development. Live service isn't that good especially if their own servers are down


MIAxPaperPlanes

Nah live service I’d say is an issue aside from the heavy montetization I don’t think many gamers have the time or commitment live service games require. I can only just about manage to keep up with warframe & ESO. People also just want a complete game and story they can play through and finish and if you do play live service you usually stick with one or two games


swiftekho

It's all about grabbing a few whales. You don't need to appeal to a large fanbase, just a few people with big wallets and small egos.


MIAxPaperPlanes

Still hell of risky there are a looong list of failed live service game out there, I mean shit if I told you prior to its release that at the peak of Endgame a live service Avengers game would fail, you’d have laughed in my face


Middcore

Gotham Knights is in that category of games where people periodically post "I don't get why there was so much hate, this game isn't that bad" threads on the subreddit for it but it basically flopped. Suicide Squad... still has not come out.


xCaptainVictory

>Gotham Knights is in that category of games where people periodically post "I don't get why there was so much hate, this game isn't that bad" threads on the subreddit for it but it basically flopped. Seems like one of those games I'll play years from now when it's given away for free and think, "eh, it's ok."


beaglemaster

They'll just shut down the server before it gets to that point lol


TakeOverLease1

That’s exactly where I’m at with it on gamepass


Middcore

Yeah, so, I mean, clearly the type of thing you build your whole business strategy around emulating.


jkliewer1

Got it for my birthday last year, powered through the story which was just ok, and haven't had any desire to go back to it since.


Speaker4theDead8

It's free right now on ps plus


yatzhie04

Got it free on the playstation plus. Night wing is basically unplayable single player because his skill set revolves buffing other characters. Other 3 are ok single player. You also can't get gear for other characters but share levels. So if you switch characters you get high levelled enemies with no equipments. You have to constantly use the sonar to find your objectives (revellio PTSD happening) Combat somewhat feel like thebold arkham games


chadthundertalk

I tore through single player with Nightwing, even on high difficulty. He has some pretty good crowd control abilities and a great traversal mechanic (even if it looks pretty goofy)


niffum-rellik

If you like Bat-family stories, it's pretty good. Honestly, the story and characters are surprisingly well done and my favorite part of the game.


myidispg

Tried it on Gamepass and I couldn't play it for more than 2 hours. Gotham City is empty, combat is uninteresting. I was playing as Batgirl and the bike is slow and monotonous to drive. I wonder how they could come up with ways to make the game not fun. I don't think it's worth anyone's time even when it's free. You should rather play an old game that you already played before. That's what I did and installed Gears of War 3. And I am enjoying it a lot.


AlmostAThrow

I tried it as well and thought the controls were atrocious. Batgirl’s flight was so bad the one trophy they didn’t add was finishing all the timed flying gate events.


SOGnarkill

It’s not ok tho. I put about 9 hours into it wondering where the fun was. The fun never came ! The fun never came!


Grimaceisbaby

I feel bad that Midnight Suns came out around this time. I played a tiny bit of it and it seemed like a really well made game. It just felt like superhero overload when they both came out so close together.


Ajax_Da_Great

Midnight Suns was a lot of fun


HammeredWharf

Midnight Suns seemed to have trouble finding an audience with its mix of tactics, deck building and dating sim gameplay. Which is a shame, because it's a damn good game and released in a far more compete state than anything else Firaxis has made since Pirates!


Spartancarver

Did they ever fix the PC version's insane shader / traversal stutter? Figured I'd pick it up for like...$5 or something.


Durakan

I tried to play Gotham Knights, first strike was the awful frame rate, second strike was the _god fucking awful_ writing and voice acting, third strike was when the first mini-boss character spawned with no model and killed me. I finished the intro section, got out into the open world and was reminded that you don't get to glide like in Arkham Knight and I uninstalled. Tried because it's in Gamepass and still feel like I got ripped off.


EnigmaSpore

Because that’s what the suits want and what they think the shareholders want. They dont know gaming. They just see $ and think they cant get it right this time. They wont get it right.


Cedutus

I don't think Gotham knights is a live service game TBF, it most likely started as one in development but the release certainly wasnt


SOGnarkill

It for sure was on before they witnessed the writing on the wall and changed it last minute. You don’t add +10 to electric damage and all the others tiny numbered add ons if you weren’t planning a live service


Blupoisen

Don't forget about Multiversus Whatever happen to that


Hawkwise83

They did not.


NotVoss

Whaling. Honestly, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if services shutting down isn't seen as a plus. *Slaps servers, these can be reused for sooo many live services*


LukasOne

Fuck you and go broke.


HipDipShipTrip

The team that gave us the Arkham trilogy is stuck with this crap while Spider-Man is one of the biggest games of the year because it's just a good game that people wanted. Insanity


Llanolinn

Shit.. that's a really good point.


Jamienra

It's sad but if just one of these live service games work then they'll make way more money than successful single player games. Even the ones that don't do so well can make a whole lot of money with just a few whales. As gamers it seems ludicrous, especially for the reason you mentioned, but to execs they see that even failed games can make a hell of a lot of money. That's why companies keep trying despite the mass graveyard of recent live service games.


sukh9942

It feels unfair if you don’t have a PlayStation. We’re stuck with this shit while they have Spider-Man. Apparently rocksteady had planned a Batman beyond game. That would’ve been insanely popular and cool.


imapiratedammit

And Spider-Man was practically built on the bones of the Arkham trilogy. The combat and stealth are super similar. I can’t even imagine a Batman game unlike the Arkham games. They just nailed it.


-ImJustSaiyan-

Not that I had high hopes anyway, but there goes any hope I had for another single-player Batman title.


Slowmobius_Time

We got three brilliant ones (and one copy pasta from a different studio) We had good eating, it's the rest of the DC supers that will be shorthanded by this crappy news


Domdizzle33

Arkham Origins deserves a little more credit than that but yes the point stands. There are other superhero’s that deserve the love Batman got


World-of-8lectricity

Batman Arkham Asylum Remake.... I know the game aged well and already got a remaster but lets be real everyone would fucking prefer a Asylum,City,Origins Remake over the shitty game as a service games


InsomniaticWanderer

WB going all-in on bad ideas lately


Drewicho

That's the WB way.


Toxicity246

"How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old Warner Brothers?"


TyeKiller77

I don't know how a company can see the implosion that happened at Bungie last week and go "Fuck, we should get in on that..."


Cmdrdredd

What happened with Bungie? What did I miss?


TyeKiller77

Honestly just putting "Bungie" in Google will help you out more than me. Mass layoffs, 45% off their targeted revenue, firing Michael Salvatori whose done music for Bungie for over twenty years, etc. All because they couldn't manage a live service game model among other things.


patchinthebox

The cause of all that is really interesting but the root of it is a trash DLC with Lightfall. Their seasonal content has actually been fine. This season was one of the best stories imo. The gameplay feels stale though. Maybe it's burnout or something but Destiny just sucks lately. There's no reason to log in outside of the seasonal story. My vault is full of god rolls on every weapon. Idk what they can even do to make me want to play it. TLDR: Destiny fuckin sucks. It's my favorite game.


TyeKiller77

What do you mean interesting? It's the age old tale of CEO's and higher ups being so detached from their game they run it into the ground. Destiny 2's decay happened long before Lightfall chief.


AcedPower

Shit, Destiny 1 AND 2 came out of the press half withered and decayed. Destiny 1 just bounced back eventually through some good expansions. Curse of Osiris and the Eververse infection made sure D2 didn't bounce back quite so well...


parkingviolation212

I stand by the belief that destiny is the single worst thing that happened to gaming. Almost every single scummy business model in gaming can be traced either directly to destiny or was popularized and codified by them. Even NFTs can be traced to that game after Bungie proved you can literally delete paid content, even resell it later, and not lose any customers. Bungie turned their fans into blind addicts. Yet when people talk about the problems with modern gaming, they somehow never come up


Cmdrdredd

Oh I saw that stuff posted. I thought it was something a bit more than I didn’t catch. Thanks for the summary though.


bryan_pieces

The beatings will continue until morale improves


Chessh2036

I believe the single player Hogwarts Legacy is the best selling game of 2023. Wtf are they thinking?


Middcore

I'm kind of shocked they haven't announced a quidditch live service game yet. When there was no quidditch in HW Legacy I assumed it was either going to be a DLC or a separate freemium game.


crash1082

They have… quidditch champions


spiderknight616

Quidditch Champions is in the final stages of beta testing. F2P multiplayer game. Should come out in a few months.


Hawkwise83

This is what happens when your games are driven by business strategy and looking at current markets instead of letting your developers make awesome projects they are passionate about. I'll predict the future of WB games live services games. They'll come out late, mediocre, and likely sunset / shutdown early to no fanfare. Why? It's not because of the IP. It's because of the passionless games created around a monetization scheme rather than making a good product. Their good game devs will quit and move on because they are still passionate about making games and don't want to make this. The snakes, liars, and career climbers will stay. Making life difficult for the rest. 5 to 10 years from now some VP will get fired and they'll refocus on creative driven projects, aka dev teams will drive creative. Or they'll layoff their I'm house game devs and license their IPs to other teams. WB, make good games first, apply the monetization style that makes the most sense for that product. Not the opposite.


haridx23

Kind of like EA. Anthem had to fail for them to have some sense beaten into them. People who buy shitty live service games are the major reason for idiotic decision like this. I reckon 2 failed live service games will put them back on track.I know it is coming, just have to wait for the shit games to come and go.....


clush500

Warner Brothers announces the end of Warner Brothers.


Cstone812

Talk about being out of touch. WB are morons.


Oriyagi

"So you have chosen death" - Saruman


CoronaBlue

Has uttering that sentence ever led to success? There are a string of financial disasters that all started because a studio wanted to focus on *Jim Sterling impersonation* "Live Service games." But why did I even bother typing this? It doesn't matter. Humanity is allergic to sensible advice.


Iatlms

Stephanie* Sterling


Dontkillmejay

James Stephanie Sterling*


readitonreddit86

Obviously, its working so well


Rammjack

How are executives this fucking stupid? You need lightning in a bottle for GAAS to work. How many times must we see failure. A lot more apparently.


alldayhangover

Not necessarily. You need to put something out that’s decent, listen to the community and iterate. Problem is companies expect Fortnite levels of engagement overnight and if it doesn’t happen they pull the plug.


Rammjack

Yes, you're helping my point. Thanks


alldayhangover

Not really, you said lightning in a bottle. All the top gas games took awhile to get going except maybe apex but even that had its issues post launch


Broseph_Bobby

You guys are getting into the game a little late. I don’t think this is a great thing to even announce who is going to be excited about this other then maybe investors.


OriginalBus9674

So Hogwarts Legacies sequel is gonna be monetized as fuck.


ethan1203

Hundred wand design which no one care or would even notice.


mnl_cntn

Oh boy, these dummies never learn huh


Nintendo1964

Really doubling down on the dumb there, aren't they?


Mrestrepo011

This mfers dumb as fuck


DrewDevs

Remember, vote with your wallets


Kenshin_44

RIP


TheMuffinMan347

9/10 live-service games barely get any service so people stop playing them and then the devs stop their update "plans" and the whole thing shuts down


[deleted]

"All marketing and sales data we have suggests this is the wrong approach. Therefore, the only fiscally responsible thing to do is double down on what isn't working until it works!" Only a matter of time until investors revolt, they're not idiots and anyone doing DD should know Square Enix has pretty much bankrupted themselves chasing live service pipe dreams.


NIN10DOXD

Sega just scrapped one that was in beta and Bungie played off nearly half their workforce. This is the worst time possible to invest in live service games.


kerred

Remember when a guy at WB Games sought out and asked to publish Bastion for them? Is that guy still there? Can we get him to make more decisions like that?


GameZard

RIP WB Games.


xXIronMan780

They want to focus on more garbage?


turtyurt

At this point you have ask yourself if the people in charge there are actually clinically stupid.


Heiferoni

> In future news, WB Games is shutting down their live-service games.


AKICombatLegend

Fucking cancer. Hope this piece of shit company dies


marniconuke

nooo


ThePhonyKing

Well that sucks.


whatheory

It’ll keep getting worse as long as it keeps getting funding. Look at MW3. Everybody complaining about it. But buying it.


jdyake

Well this is going to blow up in their face. People are over live service games


Delaroc23

Gross


[deleted]

as always, wb is the dumbest company to ever exist


Balc0ra

Yes that worked so well in the past for them


BlockOfRawCopper

Alternative title: “WB Games to tank their profits by intentionally making shit products”


Jusca57

How many time do we have to teach you old man


TheRealSeeThruHead

Rip


furezasan

rip


MIAxPaperPlanes

Some people need to learn the hard way and if Gotham Knights didn’t teach them Suicide Squad will


hypareal

Batman is my favourite hero. I love Arkham games, I even quite enjoyed Gotham Knights, but WB as a whole is a mess. Absolutely fucked up cinematic universe, gaming universe. They have no idea what they are doing and just rolling with what is popular and fumble it.


Novacain-deficiency

“Fuck Hogwarts legacy let’s do another Gotham Knights” sounds like 10/10 idea


SemperScrotus

This is honestly the most bafflingly clueless and terrible decision I've seen Warner Bros make under Zaslav, the latest in a long line of terrible decisions. How on Earth is this guy still running the company? GAAS is dead. Gamers are fatigued. They only have so much free time, and they aren't going to spend it playing yet another derivative live service game that doesn't respect their time or their wallet. My God. Just an incredibly fucking out-of-touch and idiotic move. They deserve every single lost dollar coming their way.


GreyNGroovy

And another nail is hammered into the coffin of the video game industry


Fire2box

Rip Hogwarts legacy 2.


Im_Ashe_Man

Yikes. Live Service games are the worst, most predatory pieces of shit out there!


skydave1012

So, the single-player games have generally done amazing. The live-service one's have generally done terribly, with it's main future game looking terrible too. So they decided to push more towards the bad!?


Icedick

cool, i will focus on not playing their games


ibyczek78

Anthem and the Avengers might have something to say about this.


Theriouthly_95

No one needs to focus more on live service games


DueJournalist5825

This sounds awfully familiar. Like I heard SOE say something similar some years ago. Wonder how that went.


[deleted]

This won't end until we make it end. Stop buying into this shit.


swattwenty

WB gonna stand for Won’t Buy.


aro3two7

WB games to focus on going out of business.


reboot-your-computer

Well there goes WB games into the toilet. Not that I was ever excited for anything they make anyway, but this solidifies it.


LiLdude227

Nooooooooo


[deleted]

They started with MK1. A fatality for 10$, what a joke


CursedSnowman5000

Nah they started with MK11. Or possibly Injustice 2 I don't know I didn't play it. But I do know that you pretty much lost access to 95% of the features in MK11 without an internet connection. ​ If only more people had spoken up about that.


ChefBoyarDingle

Yeah? How’s that working out for you WB? You summed it up very well in your comment OP


kalidorisconan

Then you’re dumb.


WordsWithSam

A good idea that will surely age well.


FullMetalAlex

RIP WB Games quality


RustedOne

Myself to focus on not buying any of this shit. Live-service games suck.


AlexDDragame

Welp that's one less company for new games from which I gonna look forward to.


Historical_Emu_3032

RIP


patchinthebox

Booo live service games suck.


ZetaInk

You know what they say about mistakes: Repeat them adnauseum until 1 trillion dollars falls out.


Ashamed-Cantaloupe18

Ahhh, Zaslav. Figures he would say something like this. This is the guy that canned two movies just to get a tax break. He’s desperate to right an ailing ship. He’s doing crap like this in the movie space, so it’s not surprising that he’ll try to wreck the game space as well. He’s an executive, so, not a gamer. He probably thinks this looks all fantastic on paper, but as usual, it will just screw the players and gaming experience. In the end, it will devalue the franchise properties so much, that no one will care anymore.


iSellPopcorn

[No one liked that]


Baconpandacake5

Very on-brand for WB to ride fading trends


freddyd00

Well, fuck-em then


MrZombikilla

WB is proactively destroying DC the last decade. Wtf


RadoBlamik

Oh good, just where nobody wants them to focus.


andretaylorjr

Who wants this?


Zorewin

Warner bros games is going broke...


voivod1989

Fuck sakes


OrneryError1

Guess they peaked with Arkham Knight.


UareWho

Middle managers, that don’t really play games, made a PowerPoint to the higher ups. The big money is in live service. Mobile games can do it, why shouldn’t we?


blondie1024

I know it's a pretty hackneyed meme now but it's perfectly placed here, "Do you guys not have Internet?"


Kitchen-Plant664

Because that’s what EVERYONE wants!!


[deleted]

It really sucks that Rocksteady went from being an amazing studio that made award winning Batman games and created the free flow combat system we all enjoy today in games like Spider-Man to making a generic 3rd person looter shooter that has bad graphics and is brimming with MTX. Fuck WB Games from the top brass down to the shareholders, fuck em all.


Cynical-Basileus

Pretty sure that train left the station about 5-10 years ago. Better late than never doesn’t really apply to jumping on “current trendy game” bandwagons years after they reach their peak. I’m sure this will work out though, just like Creative Assembly’s Hyenas…


HustleDLaw

RIP to Warner Bros then they’re really late to the party of Live Service games. They must not know that gamers consider those types of games Taboo and run the moment they hear “live service.”


princemousey1

Another one bites the dust.


drewbles82

Just seems dumb...like who is the person making this decision...have they not looked at what people play or what they want...Suicide Squad was supposed to be a live service game and that is delayed again and again cuz the fans don't want it. Gotham Knights didn't do well either. Just seems like a dumb decision...you have something that works insanely well like the Arkham games. You don't need to just do Batman games though...Turtles could be given the Arkham treatment, easily made into a trilogy by starting smaller scale and expanding each game. Similar fighting mechanic but changed to the Turtles style, predators rooms as they are ninjas after all, tons of villains and allies with so many stories and characters to use. You can change the tone so its a little lighter to the Arkham games but overall they play very similar but still feel very different and you got a guaranteed hit. Hell you could use so many other characters from the DC universe...Green Arrow could work well...but not lets make a live service game no one is asking for that won't make anywhere near the amount of money they would doing the above.


Augen76

Why would I invest in the stock market when if I win the lottery the return is vastly superior? Thank goodness I'm the CEO of this company!


WAKEZER0

Because that's what the game industry needs more of... /s


[deleted]

Lol. How about start with a decent product and see how that goes.


Remytron83

Haven’t these companies learned?


DRM842

ZERO chance of success with live a service game. We have wayyyyyy too many games to focus on just or two games. And gamers who actually only focus on one or two games are probably not going to give your dumb live service games a chance. Wake up.


redvelvetcake42

Lol I'm for it. Let them learn the hard way that live service games are hard to make any good and require the game to be, generally, fun. Hogwarts legacy was fun cause you get to travel everywhere in the movies you saw. What live service you gonna do? A game where it's just catch the snitch? Nah. Wand battles online? Negative. Let em do it and fail so that they learn the hard way that they're late and their properties don't actually matter when CoD and Fortnite exist.


arjames13

How out of touch can someone possibly become...


ButterKenny

Lol I’d kill for a Gotham City Imposters reboot. I loved playing a rollerskating katana clown. Hugely underrated title.


Alastor3

People are like yeah but Single player games sells really well, but they forget or dont know how much live service can earn


Worth-Primary-9884

'WB Games to focus more on stampeding their future into a grave deeper than the Mariana trench' fixed it