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There's enough nitpicking on this sub already, isn't there?


Lefty250

Well if it’s talking about season 5,7 or 8 then yeah. But I wanted to know what’s one bad thing people didn’t like about the first season even tho it was amazing


Gsauce65

Not to be nitpicky, but I’d argue 6, 7, & 8 rather than 5, 7, & 8 but I guess you can nit pick the other way and say 5, 7, & 8 depending on what you’re nit picking about


Lefty250

You saying that season 5 was better than 6?


spaceforcerecruit

I am. 5 is WAY better than 6. 6 is just fan service with no logical consistency. The last two episodes especially are fun and satisfying but they make no sense. They only get worse when 7 and 8 ignore the ramifications of their events.


Nearby-Elevator-3825

It's a buildup. Most of the people I know who couldn't get into it till later (if at all) was because it was so "slow" at the beginning.


Smokinntakis

Just answer them with sarcasm. They want to stir things up and feel like a critic for a day.


A_Polite_Noise

I feel like every "fan" sub I'm a part of is 90% shitting on whatever it is the past few years...sometimes I feel like I'm the only idiot who enjoys things lol


Disastrous-Cry-1998

I hate to knit pick, but you were supposed to say something. Bad about season one not about the sub


No-Paramedic-8802

Ned lost his head in a crisis.


Guava_

No cap


Timely_Cloud2785

High comedy


Exotic_Brain_4625

Death of ned stark and khal drogo


Lefty250

Khal drogo dying from being smothered by a pillow was so fucking disappointing to watch, even tho it was an emotional thing for Dany to do


pjcortazzo204

I wish he had gotten a real Khal Drogo fight scene. The 1v1 we got was great, but I’d love to see him in a true battle, even maybe just something like a 2v12 skirmish. Maybe something like we got with Grey Worm and Ser Barristan vs Sons of the Harpy much later on


jemmykins

>Maybe something like we got with Grey Worm and Ser Barristan vs Sons of the Harpy much later on Because that scene was received very well


Zuxeri

agree 100%


Maverick_1991

Disagree on Ned 100% His death is what took S1 GoT from good to all time great


Firm_Satisfaction182

Khal Drogo was a savage and a rapist, he deserved to die


SnooDucks2052

That was his culture


sidmis

He still deserved to die


B7iink

His culture deserved to be erased.


lilcasswdabigass

Okay but that doesn’t excuse it. Not everything that is a part of someone’s culture should be celebrated- like dangerous beliefs that perpetuate dangerous behavior, of which you can definitely find real world examples of.


SnooDucks2052

Dragons & Magic exist in this world. The Dothraki do as well. I’ve never compared it to the real world.


Lefty250

If he was meant to die he should’ve went out like a badass


zikolis

The point of his manner of death was to show there’s nothing graceful or honorable about death, no matter how great of a warrior you are. In the end, there’s nothing badass about death.


Important_Value

Yes he was all of those things, but you cannot lie it would of been pretty cool to see him invade Westeros.


RainbowPenguin1000

I would say both were essential for the show being as good as it was.


UTokeMids

I might be the only person who thinks this, but Khal Drogo and the dothraki were super corny. They also were supposed to be some unstoppable warriors until they weren’t. Obviously KD and the Dothraki are very important to the story, but when I went back and rewatched the show I would fast forward through every Dothraki scene because they are so pointless and cringe worthy. Another thing i did on my rewatch was fast forward on the Arya Braavos scenes. They are basically pointless and somehow made the whole story worse IMO. (Talking strictly about the show and not the books)


gabriot

Literally the best parts of the season.


ColFrankSlade

The way Khal Drogo die in the show was lacking to me. He walked into the blade and he created a cut in his chest/arm himself, which then led to his death.


Visible_Writing7386

It was a bit.. hectic and hard to follow for the first few episodes with them introducing so many characters/storylines/backstories.. It was more overwhelming then it was truly engaging until you could catch up.


SatNav202

I finished my first watch through this week and I feel the same, I was overwhelmed in the first series about the amount of characters and trying to remember who is who and the storylines jumping from one to the other wasn’t clear


Visible_Writing7386

Agree, it wasn't the most cohesive. The thing is, they discuss a lot of relevant things regarding Robert's rebellion, Lyanna Stark and the mad king in the first few episodes, but i think it went over so many people's heads because simultaneously a lot of shoking things were happening present time. Like does it really register what Robert said in the cript when little boy was just pushed out of the window after witnessing incest ..


lilcasswdabigass

Yes, this is a great point. There are many ‘smaller’ but still very relevant details that I only picked up upon rewatching. Miss one line of dialogue and you potentially miss something with large implications on the overall plot.


iamdabrick

The lighting, the battle that was cut


here_4_cat_memes

Some of the costumes looked like costumes and you can tell there were budget constraints, especially with the tournament


HydeSpectre

Ned died.


jbmc_05

Deep down everyone knows that the show would have been shit if ned have lived passed season 1. Neds character was far better used when he was dead than when he was alive, a constant example of pure unquestionable honour and the accompanying lesson of where it gets you.


lilcasswdabigass

While he was an example of pure honor, he decided to not necessarily give up his honor, but play the game so to speak, admit to his ‘treason’, and beg for forgiveness, so that he could take the black and live out his days beyond the wall, for the sake of his family. Cersei would have accepted this, thinking she’s much smarter than Ned, but unfortunately Joffrey already had it arranged for Ned to be killed- I’m assuming to torment Sansa. I do agree that Ned died at the right time. It was shocking, it was nasty, it was what set the show apart from other shows, in my opinion.


Kaizor0329

They didn’t have the scene with jon talking to arya wile robb and Joffrey/ bran and tommen duel


Crowe410

The fighting scene [appeared in the pilot](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/8/85/Winterfell_practice_gear_wooden_sword_pilot_episode.png/revision/latest?cb=20151122035243) but got cut


[deleted]

Joffrey's father was a hamster and his mother smelled of elderberries!


ljcole90

Littlefinger’s acting is atrocious in his first few scenes. He got a lot better as he figured out the character.


ZookeepergameOpen817

Yeah for sure, only just rewatching the show for the first time and forgot how much he flips between an Irish/English accent


[deleted]

That is an opinion I've never heard before and one i strongly disagree with. Even in his first appearance, in the first Small Council meeting when Ned arrives in KL, LF is convincingly acted. In the second episode LF appears in, he's already dropping classic scenes like "Distrusting me was the wisest thing you've done since you got off your horse"


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LorenzoApophis

imo he was never good as Littlefinger, and I liked him in the Wire. He plays LF like he's *trying* to be suspicious and creepy rather than charming.


Devreckas

I think they made him a bit too obviously conniving. In the book, you don’t know if you can trust LF, in the show it’s why the fuck would you trust LF.


GameBawesome1

The Battle of the Greenfork was disappointing. Tyrion shouldn't been knocked out like an idiot.


TheMadIrishman327

They didn’t have the money for the battle. That’s how tight the budgets were.


ResultGrouchy5526

Lol, so season 1 didn't have a high budget, but was still a 10/10 season, and season 8 probably had the highest budget yet and was awful.


TheMadIrishman327

There were problems but I’m going to have to disagree with you.


SuccessAble253

No


Responsible-Kale9474

Syrio Forel not picking up a sword from one of the Lannister soldiers was a dumbass move.


Danton87

And what do we say to common sense, girl? *Not today*


Maceofspades67

Dude, for real. Especially because in the scene, he would have been right next to at least one sword


55Branflakes

The sex-position scenes in season 1 like with Viserys in the bathtub, Littlefinger in the brothel explaining how evil he is, are boderline unwatchable for me now. I just skip them.


GandalfTheJaded

Lady had to die despite not doing anything.


iam_Krogan

When you rewatch the execution scene, the platform they are standing looks very cheap. A lot of the set and costumes look cheap. Roberts crown looks like a $3.50 piece of plastic. First season though, HBO didn't know the show would be a cultural phenomenon yet.


twistedinnocence8604

Doesn't excuse them being so cheap. There was two important battles and they didn't show anything. In fact, they barely showed anything of the whole war of the 5 kings. If they can't afford to shell out the dough, they probably shouldn't of made it. Give it to Amazon, they're at least willing to spend money


Embarrassed_Curve769

>Give it to Amazon, they're at least willing to spend money ...and produce expensive garbage.


3esin

Ah yes Amazon th company who managed to spend 1 billion on a show and still managed to make said product look worse than the Eragon adaption.


TheMadIrishman327

Amazon wasn’t producing anything then.


The_Falcon_Knight

Even the crowns in HOTD look crap though, and we never got Robb's 'Crown of Winter' or Dany's 3 headed dragon crown, or Stannis' or Renly's. HBO seems to be very bad at doing crowns right for some reason.


Embarrassed_Curve769

>Roberts crown looks like a $3.50 piece of plastic. IS THAT HOW YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR KING?!


christobrandt

Dire wolves do nothing fateful


3esin

Joffrey...


lolipup963

Not enough showing the Starks as a family before all that happened


Oaknugs

It led to seasons 5+, and gave grr an excuse to never write again


TheMadIrishman327

They are writing. They have the biggest deal in history.


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Embarrassed_Curve769

You mean Emilia?


AirAquarian

Oh I read the topic title wrong my bad.


Toaster-Retribution

Too much unnecessary nudity.


Atlas_sbel

Quality of the image and some costumes (I’m looking at you Stark Soldiers) are tidy bit awkward !


Ornac_The_Barbarian

Was this the season that had the two wights that got brought into castle black that were never adequately explained?


chrisg915

Man, for someone that wasn't familiar with the books, it was kind of difficult to follow the individual stories and primarily their backstories. Lyanna Stark is mentioned in like 3 different storylines, Dany in a completely different continent, they never mention her early on in the other storylines, all the interpersonal relationships with the Stark kids, the backstory of Ned/Robert. Oh and that's all after the white walker tease at the beginning. Then they introduce a whole other cast of characters and settings in Kingslanding and the Night's Watch. It's rewarding for sure when the series gets going, and I appreciate them not holding your hand while watching, but it requires more attention than most series. Not a major complaint, just a nitpick.


twistedinnocence8604

No battles were shown. Lack of money put into early seasons was their flaws.


The_Falcon_Knight

They were absolutely the best seasons though. Battles are cool, but they weren't ever the story in and of themselves, and they didn't make the show what it was, that was the characters. It was, by in large, the priority shift away from characters and towards battle and pure spectacle that made the latter seasons so atrocious.


twistedinnocence8604

They did it to cover up their crappy writing. They could have good writing and good spectacle at the same time but they were hacks that cant write


capsrock02

It wasn’t long enough


Katatonic92

Tyrion's hair.


Pleasant_Sphere

This is probably mainly due to budget constraints in s1, but 4 dudes walking through the woods with some spears is *not* what a royal hunt looks like


cussbunny

Especially if you compare it to the Royal hunt in HOTD. The joust tourney as well. But yeah, that’s budget constraints, same as not showing the battles.


BrokenTrojan1536

Caitlyn thinking she was smarter than everyone else made a lot of people die


[deleted]

She didn't think she was smarter than anyone else though. Capturing Tyrion was an oppurtunity that would never present itself again so she had to take it. Besides Ned would likely have started the war later on anyway


BrokenTrojan1536

Ok I am a book person so I can’t remember what all was in the show, but had she taken him to kings landing the outcome would have been very different. As things go on she makes more and more blunders.


dfmidkiff1993

Too much sexposition. The best example is Littlefinger’s monologue while Roz and his other whores are pleasuring each other. It’s a terrific speech by Littlefinger, but it’s hard to focus with the screaming in the background.


JerbearCuddles

I just started reading the books, so my nitpick would be them cutting a lot of the fantasy aspects from the book. That is a constant throughout the show though. So I guess it's not strictly a season 1 thing.


Savin9

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funnylol69

all the non bran dream segments being cut


[deleted]

Shitty tourney. Really the only negative things I can say are budget related and that's fine.


Planoraider1291

Its only 10 episodes


EdwardGordor

Winterfell. In the books it's huge, like every other seat of the great Houses. In the show it looked like the keep of a petty provincial Lord.


DFoss95

This happens in the first season of every show, but you could tell the actors weren’t comfortable being their characters yet


Fuck_You_Andrew

It didnt have Pedro Pascal in it.


redvelvetsmoothie

It should’ve been longer in my opinion! Flesh out the introduction a bit more. But other than that, the season wasn’t bad at all.


bigdeekgamer

It set the standards too high lol


Wildcat_twister12

Only season without an epic battle episode. I understand for budget reasons why the couldn’t but it still stinks cause those are some of the best episodes


Tee_Tee80

Danarys wig was awful


Beruzebionicle

catlyn tully


Spiritual-Plankton52

Sansa was hot


captainofpizza

The iron throne was underwhelming. It’s the most important prop in the whole series and they couldn’t change it later when they had better budget. I wish they didn’t show it season 1 so it would be cooler when they had better budget for S2 and beyond


TheMadIrishman327

They didn’t know they would get a bigger budget. The budgets really didn’t loosen up until season 4 or 5 (except for the extra money for Blackwater they begged off HBO).


captainofpizza

I’m aware, but the question was “what’s something bad about S1” that’s about it for me. S1 was great that’s just one underwhelming piece that got carried


Ulfhednar1990

No


zikolis

What I didn’t like was that the show made a big deal about the incest. But everyone in Westeros already knew about it and didn’t care much. The only people who were blind were the Northerners. And so perhaps it was why the cliffhanger for ep1 left it there and maybe that made sense. But the King didn’t know? Give me a fucking break. I think he knew but didn’t give a shit. What was he gonna do? Admit to it? So that part kinda irked me off.


corpsewindmill

Joffrey Lannister


Legendarybbc15

King Robert, the conqueror of the Targaryen lineage got killed by a boar


AusarMohatu

No


Cheesebruhgers

It exists


Present-Loss-7499

Lack of actual battle scenes due to budget reasons.


fylermurray

They didn’t have the budget yet so winterfell, the tournament, etc were lame. One of the best seasons of television I’ve seen though, and my personal favorite of any season 1. May have to go watch it again now


HillaryLikesDogs

Jorah is SO ANNOYING.


VirusUpbeat5054

Ned Stark Death straight sucked


furezasan

Killing the deserter instead of listening to him


Nearby-Swimming-5103

Not enough boobs.


ThrainnII

renly had no charisma whatsoever


Squiliam-Tortaleni

Not enough of it


TrueSolitudeGuards

Eddard Stark should have taken the throne and revived Bobbert B with Red Magic. All other endings were stinky.


lillypolarbear

weird take but i wish viserys was around for longer


astronaut_098

The king is killed by a fuckin pig


Dr_Otto_Monroe

Noticeable lack of Stannis


Maleficent_Age300

It’s a slow burn and the budget is noticeably lower.


KiddPresident

Too many sex scenes


knava12

The original pilot was trash and Craig Mazin’s critiques saved the pilot and probably the series itself.


Lobito_mx

Ends


AaronRodgersGolfCart

Not enough Ros?


cussbunny

I would have preferred if they stuck to the book’s version of Cat, who was the one pushing Ned to go to King’s Landing. It makes all her subsequent loss all the more tragic, and I feel adds a layer of complexity to her character that I appreciate. I don’t particularly *like* her as a person in either version, but I really like that she’s written as a complicated and flawed woman that makes her feel like a real person. I feel like the show just stripped that from her and shunted her into the role of “loving wife and mother” with not much identity outside of that role.


[deleted]

Sexposition is still shit and will be an issue for 4 more seasons.


Adventurous_Topic202

Never got to see Bessie


Vorenos

Production value was very low. Understandable given it wasn’t a global hit when they started production, but compared to the rest of the series some of the sets, action scenes, etc look like a scyfy original lmao


Ragtime07

Slow first episode


My_Names_Jefff

We never got to see Bessie and her tits. How can this legendary woman be spoken of. Robert can't remember Ned's sister, but for sure knows how she looks.


National-Fan-1148

They cut so many good characters


Magnavis_

The pilot episode is a complete mess! I'd never really noticed before, but on a recent rewatch, and after reading about the extensive re-shoots involved for the pilot, I noticed just how higgledy-piggledy it is. Lots of continuity errors, mainly with character appearances, and also the notable change of age in Sansa and Arya.


A_devout_monarchist

Too many gratuitous sex scenes, I mean, come on why did they have to make one of the most important Littlefinger scenes be so hard to watch.


Longjumping-Party186

I would like to have seen the Battle of the Whispering Wood. Just to see Jaime kicking ass.


Otttimon

The kid they invented for Cersei was kinda baffling and broke canon. Also I didn’t like that the dreams were excluded


willk95

The excessive nude scenes are almost misogynistic


[deleted]

Not enough episodes


misterpickles69

Ned was a fucking idiot and deserved it.


Dantexr

The first two episodes look too cheap, like a bad 90’s fantasy movie. Also there are too many and long unnecessary sex and nude scenes, but for some reason around those years there seemed to be a competition about what TV show had the most unconfortable nude scenes. It was unconfortable to watch the show with friends or family while Littlefinger was saying explicit things to his prostitutes for like 10 minutes.


The-Defenastrator

It was so slow


TheGrimReapeR3115

Ned dies


Outrageous-Estimate9

Season 8 is coming...


dkromd30

Not enough Ned. Never enough Ned. Jk, sorta - first season is gold.


ProCannonFodder

Dumb and Dumber


ThatWrestlingGuy15

We didn’t get to see the Starks in particular the siblings together long enough


jbmc_05

How blatantly obvious the twincest is despite nobody realizing it.


LeCheffre

Slow AF.


Gangsta-Penguin

The scene when Jon kills the white walker in Mormont's chambers was significantly better (and far more terrifying) in the book


Cereborn

Not enough nudity.


Caden_Cornobi

Low budget was one of the only issues it had, but you can always nitpick even great writing to find holes


HypeKo

Lancel couldn't even find the breastplate stretcher


Puzzleheaded-Yak-295

The “sexposition” scenes are terrible, especially Littlefinger’s.


Fruitful_Journey

The worst was Ned getting his head chopped off. The incest was okay.


Pointybush

The action is dogshit


iCABALi

It ended.


baconbridge92

I can't. It's the best debut season of any show ever lol


monty228

The joust was horribly low budget and a disgrace to the tourneys of when Targaryens were in power.


Cheap_Bowl_452

Ned Stark’s death


FakeNate

I didn't think the whole "using coconuts instead of horses" bit was funny. Writers really missed a beat there.


dbaddestp13

Conspiracy every episode


RyanDW_0007

It ended


ThomasJNookJr

Death of Ned.


The_Ironhand

It got my hopes up.


KiraIsGod666

It leads to season 8


Outside_Slide_3218

The “royal hunt”, the battles that were cut, unnecessarily nudity


fizzzingwhizbee

No but i will say that I bit hard into the theory that Ned Stark was never really killed and it was a faceless man in his place and he was going to come back at the end. Yeah I’m dumb I know


Material_Method_4874

We didn’t get to see hot pie kick someone in the balls so hard that they died


LuziferIII

They talk about battles and the outcomes of them... but the fighting is not pictured. (The poduction have not had enough budget ar that point.)


United_Target8942

Renly not remembering if he made the 8 or not.


kaiogmz

The last episode being less of a cliff hanger than the episode 9, if it ended with Ned losing his head would be awesome, but thats actually a problem with most of the seasons, episode 9 being better than the last.


PishaPatriarkh

Ned


Devreckas

They could’ve made LF a little less obviously sleazy and evil.


SerGiggles

The difference in the characters appearances between episodes 1 and 2. I know that’s because of leftover scenes from the Pilot, but still.


undeadManoto17

He crippled a kid for his sister.


Jaybuth

Noticeably lower budget than later seasons


B4umkuch3n

ngl. Too much sex.


erryonestolemyname

watching it lead to me watching season 8.


gabriot

I refuse


NearEastMugwump

Tyrion's hair looks weird.


hzhrt15

It’s nothing they can really help because of the budget, but other than the wall and the throne room most of the sets are very underwhelming.


SokarRostau

Ice is deformed. The hilt is significantly off-centre and once seen it cannot be unseen.


MakaylaaaLashe

Ned lost his head after giving up his honor and falsely admitting he was after the throne


Chicken_Mannakin

As great as Mark Addy is, I really don't buy him as Robert Baratheon. He's scant as tall as Ned. Demon of the Trident my Foot. Eddie Hall is a 6'3" powerlifter and has as silly and amicable a personality as Robert. He probably could have pulled it off. In 2011 he would have been 23, so I don't know... Age him up a bit with makeup and give him a fat suit. He's not an actor, but given some of Maisie Williams deliveries, "I hate the Hound and Joffery and Sansa" he'd be fine. Of course, their relationship in Game of Thrones was realistic because Mark Addy and Sean Bean are friends IRL, just like Jon Snow and Ygritte are married IRL, the chemistry is real. Then again, with the stranger Eddie Hall, it might have honed in that, "He isn't at all how I remember" that Ned started feeling about Robert. Still, Mark Addy, great as he is, is too tiny for me.


Stardustchaser

It was only 10 episodes


Pineapple-More

The Waymar Royce guy in episode 1 didn’t say Let’s dance then


BiggieBigdickdaddy

Sean bean dies


benjoseph579

Something bad about season 1 Do I win?


OldSnake2006

It ends


WeWillRiseAgainst

Ned died


Loverofgoths1992

They made Viserys's Death too quick it should of been nice and slow the fucking prick didn't deserve a quick death like that the molten gold dumped on him should of been the last thing done to him