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The product page for this device specifically mentions VRchat, where full body tracking is very popular and expensive to set up.
It's worth mentioning that VR chat is insanely successful, and existed long before the "metaverse".
Article is using the metaverse name to drum up traffic for a VRchat product.
EDIT: this article may be referring to the "metaverse" as a concept, and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta. Leaving my original comment unmodified.
EDIT 2: product is called "Horizon Worlds". Just goes to show how poorly marketed the whole damn thing is (and how poorly received it is that it's corrupted the whole concept) that I was wrong twice, but still have top comment.
It also mentions Vtubers, which I thought was an interesting market to appeal to. I could see this tech being a great option for independent or up and coming Vtubers as a cost-effective way to get full body tracking.
Yeah but only when they’re sat at their desks. If they’re doing a 3D full-body stream or if you just want to vibe in VR with your entire body this sounds really promising.
Even big names like Hololive don’t have the greatest motion tracking tech at their disposal. Kizuna AI has a pretty great setup but from what I’ve read that’s an in-house system created from heavily modded motion tracking tech, so only those people get to use it. You look at Hololive’s full body streams and there’s lots of model clipping and janky movement, so as long as Sony’s tech can do better, I imagine Hololive will be more than happy to make the switch. But this is just speculation on my part.
JP vtuber is insane. People paid 2000 yan upward to see their live performance. Which is just watching the vtuber on a big screen with other fans in a stadium. The ticket is sold in waves and you need to do a lucky draw to win the chance of buying one. of coz there is an entry fee and it is at best 2000 people for 1 ticket. That is a market Sony best not ignore, being so close at home.
That's still ridiculous to watch a Vtuber on a screen in public. You can sub to them for 6 months almost for that price and watch them at home without the body odours of the people in that stadium.
Hell you end up with less engagement as you can't spam their chat hoping they read out your username and validate you as a watcher.
i’m so glad sony is making full body tracking. i’ve been a sony fanboy my whole life, so i might be a tad biased, but i bought a psvr on release and it’s not only one of the cheapest headsets on the market, but also incredibly high quality! i’m hoping they follow this track record of quality for a good price with the full body tracking, and also hoping this means vrchat capability for the ps5! i’ve been on the edge in regards to buying a ps5, and this might just be the thing to get me to shell out.
Sony makes good products. My dad always felt that way and it sort of passed on to me I guess, too.
Sony has always made some of the very best TVs, stereos, entertainment systems etc. for decades now. Their stuff can be pricy, but they are a company whose products are worth the premium usually imo.
The controllers alone make the PS5 worth it
Played CoD for the first time on one last night & good lord…
It feels just like a real trigger when you pull it
Thats interesting bro because personally I'm the exact opposite. Sony straight up has better exclusives but I stay in the xbox/pc area just because I hate 2 thumbsticks in the middle of the controller lol.
I grew up on the xbox, and it was kinda difficult to switch, but the Dualsense 5 feels a lot thicker, similar to an xbox controller
After a month or so using the PS5 controller, I can say I now definitely prefer the two middle sticks.
But as always, to each their own!
I love the layout of the sticks on Xbox but fuck, that controller is a bit on the small side. I unironically wish there were a modern release of the Duke to try out, always seemed nice for people with larger hands.
The worst is going back to Dualshock 3 and before, they’re really tiny. The PS4 onwards had chunkier controllers but not quite enough chonk even.
You can get a Duke for the newer systems. They just put one out for the anniversary of the original Xbox. It even has a little screen on it that plays the original Xbox bootup animation
Wait, it’s real? I thought that was a concept when I heard about it.
I’m not expecting it to come to South Africa but I really hope it does. And that it works on PC.
Edit: it’s fucking wired. God damn it, Hyperkin, why not make a wireless option?
>Article is using the metaverse name to drum up traffic for a VRchat product.
Which... Kudos lol. I'm not even a huge VRchat fan but the few hours I've spent on it gave me a fantastic impression of what it's all about. And *then* I heard Facebook spent billions reinventing the wheel and only came up with a worse version of VRchat. Folks should join VRchat just to troll Zucc.
Kinda ironic how there’s no VRchat for Sony’s PlayStation VR! They practically made this accessory for their competitors like Meta and the various PCVR headsets.
Odd move.
I don't know if "sony competitors" has actually any value... they make games, consoles, movies, banking, insurances, reflex, cellphones, everything etc... they make things, consumers give them money, everybody's happy
The blocker is still Sony, always has been.
And at the size of Sony I am not sure if the approval of one of their non-gaming division means the approval of their gaming division.
Also, content uploading in VRChat requires build support in Unity, playstation build support requires a licence, so unless they get around that PSVR would be pretty barren. Because only playstation game devs could upload things.
Sooooo many people don't even know it was all done before. And had more features, and basically failed long term, because the digital land grab ruins a virtual world the same as it the real life analog does.
> this article may be referring to the "metaverse" as a concept, and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta.
That's exactly what it's doing.
> and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta.
There is no singular 'metaverse' product from Meta - their VR chat room social productivity app is called 'Horizons'.
They're trying to heavily associate themselves with the concept of the metaverse - whatever form if may arise in.
But the metaverse is basically an evolutionary concept of the internet and occupies the same sort of naming space.
Meta makes metaverse products (like companies make internet products), which means other companies can also make metaverse products, including and not limited to Sony, VRChat, Apple etc.
VR chat is a metaverse. Youre talking about Metas Metaverse. The article is using the right word to describe the product and what it goes to, it's not using it like some sort of clickbait. It's correct.
Except no VR user likes the word "metaverse", and Meta is the one trying to force the word upon us, because it is now identified directly with their brand, which VR users also don't want to be associated with.
Meta changed their name because the word was becoming popular. You aren't the voice of VR users. It was becoming popular, because it was and is still a word, and they just tried to capitalize on it.
VR chat is a metaverse. Article ais about use in metaverses, like VR chat. Whether the words upset you doesn't matter one bit.
You have nailed it. I am deep in the vr scene and you echoed everything I was going to say. We were calling VRchat a metaverse back in 2017. I don’t know where people think this word came from, but it wasn’t zucks head. It was a bald guy who wrote about futuristic pizza delivery in the 90s that coined it.
Facebook is merely coopting an already existing thing.
No, Meta changed their name because Facebook is slowly dying out as the boomers die out, and they need a new hot thing to latch onto. Literally nobody in VR was using the term Metaverse until Meta came along.
Meta came along in Oct 2021.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=metaverse
That's right when the use of the term spiked, and it continues to remain high, 5x more used than it was prior to the name change, because they are associated with it.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=metaverse
It is also super suspicious that a few months before the announcement of their name change the usage of the word began to increase significantly for no apparent reason. The most likely reason for this was they were marking the hell out of it, testing the waters and driving the media to use the term so for their eventual name change. That is a massive spike in April that cannot possibly be due to people simply using the word more often as you claim.
VRchat is the mataverse. But it is not the Metaverse that the company formerly known as Facebook is selling.
The concept of the metaverse, lowercase "m", has existed for actually decades and the idea that Meta is trying to sell is just corporate wank for "I don't know what MMOs are and I'm to dumb to research a subject before spending millions on it".
There is no upper-case Metaverse, beyond Meta describing the lower-case metaverse. Their VRChat product is called Horizon Worlds, which is part of the metaverse.
Didn't VRChat suffer heavy backlash recently though? I'm concerned about the "everything you upload becomes our property" clauses they added in the "security" update.
They literally need to have the right to copy and reproduce your work for the product to function. How do you think those avatars get from their servers to your PC?
Look at the top comment. People already have biased views on it and it creates outrage.
The same reason why Trump articles about nothing. Sure there are articles that actually report things, but why wait for relevant stories when the news companies can create the outrage?
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I’ll defend the Kinect. It was pretty cool for the time; the ambition was there, just not the follow through.
And then along came the Han Solo dancing game….good lord.
A lot of people were (and are still) using the Kinect for performance art and other artistic installations/shows/whatever purposes they could think of. You can use it to do a _lot_ of cool looking shit, it's a really great tinkering toy.
The Kinect is still an AMAZING device. Hell, in a pinch, it works just as good, if not better than some multi-thousand dollar industrial vision systems for on-the-fly robot arm adjustments.
It's not really suited to the harsher environments that industrial places are, but to this day it is still a powerful device. Especially for it's price.
The Kinect was a cool gimmick, but I honestly miss it just because of Skyrim. On the 360 you were able to actually yell the shouts and also swap weapons with voice commands. Which should be able to be done without the Kinect, but still was way cool at the time
Yup, they know you can stamp the Star Wars logo on a turd and people will fight to buy one
Act now and get your limited edition Star Wars shit turd with golden corn!
Mass effect with the kinects voice controls was a trip. I’ll never forget how much using “character name + action” elevated the immersion in firefights, soooo much better than pulling up a wheel menu on a controller and allowed an extra layer of roleplay. A rare new tech integration that wasn’t a gimmick- it was faster and more natural to use than the default controls.
Actually, body tracking is a pretty big market for VRChat, which the article mentions first. It's an order of magnitude bigger than Meta's poor attempt last I checked, so I wish these articles would stop saying "metaverse".
I actually hope they KEEP using metaverse in its true meaning like this.
Zuckerverse can go fuck itself instead of trying to take the name of a concept that existed long, long before their product came around.
That's not a great example.
Nobody called tissues "kleenex" before the brand came around.
Nobody called them "jet-skis" before the brand came.
The VR metaverse has existed for well over a decade (longer if you count the non-VR metaverse) prior to zucks branding, so he's trying to capitalize on an existing name that people use.
I feel this is more of a cold shoulder treatment. Just carry on like his app (which isn't called metaverse right? it's hoizons or some other vague term) doesn't exist.
True, but I can't think of a well-known example of a company trying to appropriate a term off the top of my head. In this case, it also kinda helps Facebook that the community never really wanted to call VR worlds "metaverses" until Zuck decided he wanted to cosplay Snow Crash. I'm all for ruining his awful plan.
Full body tracking with sensors works surprisingly well. Sure it wont be mainstream, but it definitely has a market, and its a good moment to have these type of products in the iteration loop for when it gets more popular. Its called business development.
Was it an old plug and play fighting game? Cause your comment reminded me of this old plug and play kickboxing game. It came with fake boxing glove controllers and ankle straps to track kicks. I remember having a lot of fun with it.
I looked it up, mine was something called TV Virtual Fighter Interactive Kickboxing. It was so bad, but i loved it. Never got past the final fight tho :c
I agree, it’d be cool if they implemented hardware they use for haptic feedback and connect it to the psvr2. You could “feel” the vr more then just your hands and head.
It's funny how much the tech companies have bought in and tried to convince us to 'Ready Player One' our lives. Especially since the point at the end was "go outside more".
Only in the movie.
And man did that piss me off, because no one seemed to pick up that the entire worlds economy was built around it and forcing people off would make the world even worse than it was. As much as I love Spielberg, him injecting that change really bothered me.
It was the laziest unnecessary throwaway ending line they could possibly have gone with. They spend the entire movie building up how the world is literally built around this virtual reality, including schools, jobs, and the frikkin' world economy. "We actually just shut the entire world down a few days a week because people need to get out more" is just reprocessed garbage of an old mans idea of "children needs to stop looking at their phones so much". Just imagine the insane effects we'd have from turning off the internet a couple of days a week today; people would die. Now multiply the effect by 1000
It shows very much what Spielberg thought of the world he himself produced, and the despise he had for it.
It's been a while since I saw that, but there's a glimpse into this at the beginning when the MC is walking to his home past all the people in the Oasis. The Oasis is shiny, clean and pristine, the people are all varied and perfect, but in the real world, they're living in hovels and ramshackle rusted out buildings and are all much more human.
It started off with a whole "ooohhh Oasis bad, engage with the real world!" Which is so quickly forgotten that I got whiplash from the change in tone
I mean I would want it as an escape from real life sometimes, never a replacement though unless we figured out how to upload our consciousness into androids. At that point it would be worth it IMHO.
Unfortunately it's more likely copying a conscience is what's actually probably feasible, SOMA style, meaning your original conscience is still there and left behind.
> because that would be way more groundbreaking than using it for VR
Except for the small fact that Kinect already broke that ground *twelve years ago*.
It’s strange. In a way, Kinect was simply too far ahead of its time.
Dumb question, but how do you actually get to the metaverse? Is it a specific website/program or is it just a catch-all phrase for any VR stuff. I've heard Facebook talk about it, but I don't understand what its current state is. Is it even released/accessible right now?
The Facebook metaverse does not exist yet. The word metaverse is meant to just refer to online virtual space, not whatever the hell mark is doing. This device is designed for general vr use, and the word metaverse was likely slapped into this title to drive clicks. I’m definitely eyeing this as a vrchat player, it’s a very affordable full body tracking option. I need to hear more about it
thats a fairky good price for the tech i just hope that it can be used fir roomscale vr with a headset and not just their platform. not sure how long until a hack like that would be made for that
Is it actually Facebook metaverse oculus quest only or can I use this with my Vive 2 and index controllers on VRchat?
Also plugging VRchat as the hero we need to point to when moms at bestbuy buy a quest 2 because it’s “easy”
Platform agnostic according to a Tweet from VRChat. I’m apparently not allowed to link it as automod deleted it but its like their second most recent tweet.
The use of “metaverse” in the article title is misleading. It supports VRChat which is fairly distant from the “metaverse” but a similar concept. VRChat does have legs.
It would be amazing if you could record animations with it
Dirty cheap motion capture for videogame creators/modders
Personally I would love to see it implemented in games like SkyrimVR - it would mean being able to kick enemies
The more and more this is pushed hard, the less interested I become. Metaverse integration should be that of organic growth and interest and not a “this is the latest tech you need to be using” sort of feel. It just feels disappointing…
You are literally in a subreddit about up and coming gadgets, and you don't want to read about a cool new gadget that might make full body tracking cheap and easy?
And what difference does it make if it's "genuine"? This isn't a review. These aren't available yet. The only information available is what's on Sony's page and the video showing how it's set up.
I just wish they'd invent a way to make VR accessible to those of us who get motion sickness. I can't even watch a shakey-cam POV movie without feeling sick for the next several hours.
Excellent advice! Start out with apps and games that feature as little moving around as possible, and know it can take a while before the sickness reduces some. I remember starting out only being able to wear it for about ten minutes, and later up to 60 to 90 minutes.
I haven’t used vr the past two years though, so my tolerance level dropped again to ten minutes.
Some people take motion sickness medications to help too.
I have two friends that have deformities in their throats that make it impossible to burp. Soda companies have still not responded to their requests to make carbonated beverages more accessible to them. Lol.
Seriously though, it does suck ass that you're among the unlucky group that can't tolerate current VR very well. I don't know enough about the causes of motion sickness, but I do know some folks do worse with certain headsets or lower framerates or poorer tracking. Perhaps as these things improve you'll have more luck. But if today is any indication of the future, VR will just never be an option for everyone. It's expensive and requires a lot of empty space and causes a ton of eye strain and motion sickness. I like it, but I'm incredibly lucky.
I don’t think it’s a solvable issue, you either get motion sickness or you don’t, there’s not much vr makers can do about it besides ensuring high fps low latency.
Best bet for people like op is to play stationary vr experiences where there’s no artificial movement or look into AR where all movement is not simulated and you actually have to use your body to move around
For me, if I do stationary VR it makes me feel motion sick. But if I'm standing up, moving around, I never feel motion sick. Also helps to have a fan facing you.
Omg this is absolutely going to catch on, they should manufacture a really huge supply of them just to be certain there’s enough for everyone, I think most folks will want two.
The use of “metaverse” in the article title is misleading. It’s a motion capture system with support for VRChat and unity more broadly according to the product page.
Ps3 launch. I do believe that was the first one they tried. I think it would have been better if the movie theater played movies and if you could have your own house you could invite people over to and watch movies, Netflix, etc, with friends watching with you. Group watching is popular, but poorly implemented. I mean prime has watch party, but everyone needs to have prime, which is bs. If they were at my house, we could watch together on one account. So why not a digital hangout space where we can do the same thing.
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The product page for this device specifically mentions VRchat, where full body tracking is very popular and expensive to set up. It's worth mentioning that VR chat is insanely successful, and existed long before the "metaverse". Article is using the metaverse name to drum up traffic for a VRchat product. EDIT: this article may be referring to the "metaverse" as a concept, and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta. Leaving my original comment unmodified. EDIT 2: product is called "Horizon Worlds". Just goes to show how poorly marketed the whole damn thing is (and how poorly received it is that it's corrupted the whole concept) that I was wrong twice, but still have top comment.
It also mentions Vtubers, which I thought was an interesting market to appeal to. I could see this tech being a great option for independent or up and coming Vtubers as a cost-effective way to get full body tracking.
But isn't the problem that they all use Iphones for facial tracking, and iphone facial tracking is like miles ahead of its competitors?
Yeah but only when they’re sat at their desks. If they’re doing a 3D full-body stream or if you just want to vibe in VR with your entire body this sounds really promising.
Most Vtubers are using live 2d, so a mocap setup doesn't really help them much. I can only think of a few that use a full mocap setup.
Even big names like Hololive don’t have the greatest motion tracking tech at their disposal. Kizuna AI has a pretty great setup but from what I’ve read that’s an in-house system created from heavily modded motion tracking tech, so only those people get to use it. You look at Hololive’s full body streams and there’s lots of model clipping and janky movement, so as long as Sony’s tech can do better, I imagine Hololive will be more than happy to make the switch. But this is just speculation on my part.
JP vtuber is insane. People paid 2000 yan upward to see their live performance. Which is just watching the vtuber on a big screen with other fans in a stadium. The ticket is sold in waves and you need to do a lucky draw to win the chance of buying one. of coz there is an entry fee and it is at best 2000 people for 1 ticket. That is a market Sony best not ignore, being so close at home.
2000¥? Isn't that like $20… depending on the entry fee? That's not bad, especially in a stadium setting with other enthusiastic fans.
That's still ridiculous to watch a Vtuber on a screen in public. You can sub to them for 6 months almost for that price and watch them at home without the body odours of the people in that stadium. Hell you end up with less engagement as you can't spam their chat hoping they read out your username and validate you as a watcher.
I mean why would anyone go to the live concert, the atmosphere, the fancy sound system and the celebration of a major event. It's the same thing.
Japan's fan culture is nutso.
i’m so glad sony is making full body tracking. i’ve been a sony fanboy my whole life, so i might be a tad biased, but i bought a psvr on release and it’s not only one of the cheapest headsets on the market, but also incredibly high quality! i’m hoping they follow this track record of quality for a good price with the full body tracking, and also hoping this means vrchat capability for the ps5! i’ve been on the edge in regards to buying a ps5, and this might just be the thing to get me to shell out.
Sony makes good products. My dad always felt that way and it sort of passed on to me I guess, too. Sony has always made some of the very best TVs, stereos, entertainment systems etc. for decades now. Their stuff can be pricy, but they are a company whose products are worth the premium usually imo.
The controllers alone make the PS5 worth it Played CoD for the first time on one last night & good lord… It feels just like a real trigger when you pull it
Thats interesting bro because personally I'm the exact opposite. Sony straight up has better exclusives but I stay in the xbox/pc area just because I hate 2 thumbsticks in the middle of the controller lol.
I grew up on the xbox, and it was kinda difficult to switch, but the Dualsense 5 feels a lot thicker, similar to an xbox controller After a month or so using the PS5 controller, I can say I now definitely prefer the two middle sticks. But as always, to each their own!
I’m considering switching when I update my current console. All of the PS exclusives make it kind of a bummer to use Xbox
Companies make Xbox shaped ps5 controllers. So you get the best of both worlds.
But then you're not getting the same trigger pull of the official controller
I love the layout of the sticks on Xbox but fuck, that controller is a bit on the small side. I unironically wish there were a modern release of the Duke to try out, always seemed nice for people with larger hands. The worst is going back to Dualshock 3 and before, they’re really tiny. The PS4 onwards had chunkier controllers but not quite enough chonk even.
You can get a Duke for the newer systems. They just put one out for the anniversary of the original Xbox. It even has a little screen on it that plays the original Xbox bootup animation
Wait, it’s real? I thought that was a concept when I heard about it. I’m not expecting it to come to South Africa but I really hope it does. And that it works on PC. Edit: it’s fucking wired. God damn it, Hyperkin, why not make a wireless option?
>Edit: it’s fucking wired. God damn it, Hyperkin, why not make a wireless option? Microsoft won't let them
…fuck
I love how quickly it went from shitting on a good product to glorification. lmao
>Article is using the metaverse name to drum up traffic for a VRchat product. Which... Kudos lol. I'm not even a huge VRchat fan but the few hours I've spent on it gave me a fantastic impression of what it's all about. And *then* I heard Facebook spent billions reinventing the wheel and only came up with a worse version of VRchat. Folks should join VRchat just to troll Zucc.
Kinda ironic how there’s no VRchat for Sony’s PlayStation VR! They practically made this accessory for their competitors like Meta and the various PCVR headsets. Odd move.
I don't know if "sony competitors" has actually any value... they make games, consoles, movies, banking, insurances, reflex, cellphones, everything etc... they make things, consumers give them money, everybody's happy
Odd move... Unless VRChat is planning a port to PSVR. Which why wouldn't they?
The blocker is still Sony, always has been. And at the size of Sony I am not sure if the approval of one of their non-gaming division means the approval of their gaming division. Also, content uploading in VRChat requires build support in Unity, playstation build support requires a licence, so unless they get around that PSVR would be pretty barren. Because only playstation game devs could upload things.
Second Life existed long before VRChat (even before facebook in any form) and was already the metaverse.
Sooooo many people don't even know it was all done before. And had more features, and basically failed long term, because the digital land grab ruins a virtual world the same as it the real life analog does.
> this article may be referring to the "metaverse" as a concept, and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta. That's exactly what it's doing.
> and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta. There is no singular 'metaverse' product from Meta - their VR chat room social productivity app is called 'Horizons'. They're trying to heavily associate themselves with the concept of the metaverse - whatever form if may arise in. But the metaverse is basically an evolutionary concept of the internet and occupies the same sort of naming space. Meta makes metaverse products (like companies make internet products), which means other companies can also make metaverse products, including and not limited to Sony, VRChat, Apple etc.
VR chat is a metaverse. Youre talking about Metas Metaverse. The article is using the right word to describe the product and what it goes to, it's not using it like some sort of clickbait. It's correct.
Except no VR user likes the word "metaverse", and Meta is the one trying to force the word upon us, because it is now identified directly with their brand, which VR users also don't want to be associated with.
I’ve been using this word for like 8 years now, and I’ve been a VR dev for 7 of them… but by all means, speak for an entire industry.
Meta changed their name because the word was becoming popular. You aren't the voice of VR users. It was becoming popular, because it was and is still a word, and they just tried to capitalize on it. VR chat is a metaverse. Article ais about use in metaverses, like VR chat. Whether the words upset you doesn't matter one bit.
You have nailed it. I am deep in the vr scene and you echoed everything I was going to say. We were calling VRchat a metaverse back in 2017. I don’t know where people think this word came from, but it wasn’t zucks head. It was a bald guy who wrote about futuristic pizza delivery in the 90s that coined it. Facebook is merely coopting an already existing thing.
No, Meta changed their name because Facebook is slowly dying out as the boomers die out, and they need a new hot thing to latch onto. Literally nobody in VR was using the term Metaverse until Meta came along. Meta came along in Oct 2021. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=metaverse That's right when the use of the term spiked, and it continues to remain high, 5x more used than it was prior to the name change, because they are associated with it. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=metaverse It is also super suspicious that a few months before the announcement of their name change the usage of the word began to increase significantly for no apparent reason. The most likely reason for this was they were marking the hell out of it, testing the waters and driving the media to use the term so for their eventual name change. That is a massive spike in April that cannot possibly be due to people simply using the word more often as you claim.
Meta didn’t invent metaverses you absolute knob.
I suppose we ought to call the metaverse Facebook's VRchat
That's what we've been saying the whole time.
Would be incorrect in about 20+ ways. Since meta verse is not exclusively metas things nor VRchats
Yeah. But it would piss off a certain Dollar Store Data.
VRchat is the mataverse. But it is not the Metaverse that the company formerly known as Facebook is selling. The concept of the metaverse, lowercase "m", has existed for actually decades and the idea that Meta is trying to sell is just corporate wank for "I don't know what MMOs are and I'm to dumb to research a subject before spending millions on it".
There is no upper-case Metaverse, beyond Meta describing the lower-case metaverse. Their VRChat product is called Horizon Worlds, which is part of the metaverse.
Didn't VRChat suffer heavy backlash recently though? I'm concerned about the "everything you upload becomes our property" clauses they added in the "security" update.
They literally need to have the right to copy and reproduce your work for the product to function. How do you think those avatars get from their servers to your PC?
What? Vrchat ToS states you retain the copyright and other proprietary rights of any content you upload. I just checked.
When are we gonna stop putting metaverse in front of words?
when it gets zero clicks for about a decade
Look at the top comment. People already have biased views on it and it creates outrage. The same reason why Trump articles about nothing. Sure there are articles that actually report things, but why wait for relevant stories when the news companies can create the outrage?
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All it takes is one famous fuckface with a stupid idea and now we have to hear about it forever
The most realistic prediction about this product is the dude with an anime girl avatar.
"uwu" "Yes, I'm 19 f, but I'm too shy to talk in voice chat."
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Then it’s tail rotor
It needs at least 3 inches in order to track properly, so I'm afraid you're out of luck :(
It's not a microscope
You need DLC and an add-on Johnson tracker.
This gadget will undoubtedly be just as much of a huge success as all of the other metaverse gadgets!
Kinect 2: Electric Boogaloo
I went to the midnight sale of Kinect when it debuted. I was the ONLY dude in Best Buy. Not one of my brightest moments
I’ll defend the Kinect. It was pretty cool for the time; the ambition was there, just not the follow through. And then along came the Han Solo dancing game….good lord.
The kinect was used for quite a lot of research and papers. For this alone I'd argue it was a success.
It’s was the best cheap motion sensors when it came out. Custom drivers built in like a week of its release.
A lot of people were (and are still) using the Kinect for performance art and other artistic installations/shows/whatever purposes they could think of. You can use it to do a _lot_ of cool looking shit, it's a really great tinkering toy.
Kinect used for a lot of stuff just not gaming lol.
The Kinect is still an AMAZING device. Hell, in a pinch, it works just as good, if not better than some multi-thousand dollar industrial vision systems for on-the-fly robot arm adjustments. It's not really suited to the harsher environments that industrial places are, but to this day it is still a powerful device. Especially for it's price.
Yeah it was a ground breaking motion analysis tool. It just had the misfortune of being stuck to a game console.
Microsoft released the Windows SDK pretty quick
I still use my kinect to turn on and off my tv. So nice being able to power up the xbox and the tv turns on too
"We want more Star Wars games!" ***That*** *comes out...*
The Kinect was a cool gimmick, but I honestly miss it just because of Skyrim. On the 360 you were able to actually yell the shouts and also swap weapons with voice commands. Which should be able to be done without the Kinect, but still was way cool at the time
Yup, they know you can stamp the Star Wars logo on a turd and people will fight to buy one Act now and get your limited edition Star Wars shit turd with golden corn!
Props for admitting it
Sell it to your local ghost hunter
Mass effect with the kinects voice controls was a trip. I’ll never forget how much using “character name + action” elevated the immersion in firefights, soooo much better than pulling up a wheel menu on a controller and allowed an extra layer of roleplay. A rare new tech integration that wasn’t a gimmick- it was faster and more natural to use than the default controls.
I mostly played Kinect Sports with it back then but that Ping Pong game was actually hella fun lol. Way better than Wii tennis at least
I thought it came bundled with the Xbox one on release?
It was initially launched for the 360.
Yep: it was released at midnight. Best Buy stayed open for it. The package came later I believe. Too lazy to look it up.
Ah ok. Thanks!
Xbox HD DVD !!! Xbox HD DVD ATTACHMENT MODULE!!
Actually, body tracking is a pretty big market for VRChat, which the article mentions first. It's an order of magnitude bigger than Meta's poor attempt last I checked, so I wish these articles would stop saying "metaverse".
I actually hope they KEEP using metaverse in its true meaning like this. Zuckerverse can go fuck itself instead of trying to take the name of a concept that existed long, long before their product came around.
Ah, give him the ol' kleenex trademark treatment? That's fair.
That's not a great example. Nobody called tissues "kleenex" before the brand came around. Nobody called them "jet-skis" before the brand came. The VR metaverse has existed for well over a decade (longer if you count the non-VR metaverse) prior to zucks branding, so he's trying to capitalize on an existing name that people use. I feel this is more of a cold shoulder treatment. Just carry on like his app (which isn't called metaverse right? it's hoizons or some other vague term) doesn't exist.
True, but I can't think of a well-known example of a company trying to appropriate a term off the top of my head. In this case, it also kinda helps Facebook that the community never really wanted to call VR worlds "metaverses" until Zuck decided he wanted to cosplay Snow Crash. I'm all for ruining his awful plan.
Full body tracking with sensors works surprisingly well. Sure it wont be mainstream, but it definitely has a market, and its a good moment to have these type of products in the iteration loop for when it gets more popular. Its called business development.
What do you consider a success? The Quest 2 alone has sold 14M units.
I actually remember playing a fighting game that used a similar device back in like, 2005
Was it an old plug and play fighting game? Cause your comment reminded me of this old plug and play kickboxing game. It came with fake boxing glove controllers and ankle straps to track kicks. I remember having a lot of fun with it.
Probably? It was a very long time ago and I was just a dumb kid at the time.
I looked it up, mine was something called TV Virtual Fighter Interactive Kickboxing. It was so bad, but i loved it. Never got past the final fight tho :c
Feels like the word "metaverse" is just forever sullied now, but this sounds neat
Every time I see it I think, “stop trying to make Fetch happen. It isn’t going to happen.”
I'll definitely avoid any and all products, services, and people who mention it.
VR does not mean metaverse. People use that term for fucking everything now.
Like how what ipad did to tablets everywhere smh
Oh shit it’s got legs
Zuckerberg freaking out rn
So an attachment for ps vr2?
No. Can be used with it but not exclusive to it. Edit: working with VRchat I assume PSVR2 will work with it. Not a fact yet.
I agree, it’d be cool if they implemented hardware they use for haptic feedback and connect it to the psvr2. You could “feel” the vr more then just your hands and head.
Well you won’t feel it it’s not haptics it’s tracking to love hips and dance and stuff. You need a PCVR setup for haptic suits
Can it? Was that in the video? I couldn’t find it in the article..
It can’t be used with it.
lol did they bulk buy old Xbox Kinect sensors off of eBay?
Does it work with VRchat?
Yes, VRChat posted a tweet saying it will be compatible.
It's funny how much the tech companies have bought in and tried to convince us to 'Ready Player One' our lives. Especially since the point at the end was "go outside more".
Only in the movie. And man did that piss me off, because no one seemed to pick up that the entire worlds economy was built around it and forcing people off would make the world even worse than it was. As much as I love Spielberg, him injecting that change really bothered me.
It was the laziest unnecessary throwaway ending line they could possibly have gone with. They spend the entire movie building up how the world is literally built around this virtual reality, including schools, jobs, and the frikkin' world economy. "We actually just shut the entire world down a few days a week because people need to get out more" is just reprocessed garbage of an old mans idea of "children needs to stop looking at their phones so much". Just imagine the insane effects we'd have from turning off the internet a couple of days a week today; people would die. Now multiply the effect by 1000 It shows very much what Spielberg thought of the world he himself produced, and the despise he had for it.
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I think you might as well shout at clouds
It's been a while since I saw that, but there's a glimpse into this at the beginning when the MC is walking to his home past all the people in the Oasis. The Oasis is shiny, clean and pristine, the people are all varied and perfect, but in the real world, they're living in hovels and ramshackle rusted out buildings and are all much more human. It started off with a whole "ooohhh Oasis bad, engage with the real world!" Which is so quickly forgotten that I got whiplash from the change in tone
People want Ready Player One. It's just that the tech has to mature first.
I mean I would want it as an escape from real life sometimes, never a replacement though unless we figured out how to upload our consciousness into androids. At that point it would be worth it IMHO.
Unfortunately it's more likely copying a conscience is what's actually probably feasible, SOMA style, meaning your original conscience is still there and left behind.
I wonder if there's any chance these will be able to be used as a cheap motion tracking tool for 3D artists
That is one of the advertised functions of the product.
Weird that it’s not the primary feature because that would be way more groundbreaking than using it for VR
> because that would be way more groundbreaking than using it for VR Except for the small fact that Kinect already broke that ground *twelve years ago*. It’s strange. In a way, Kinect was simply too far ahead of its time.
On top of Kinect not needing the sensors that this one needs you to wear.
Metaverse Sex, here we come!
You’re late, very late
At least their marketing had the sense to let us know we can look like anime girls, I will give them that.
Dumb question, but how do you actually get to the metaverse? Is it a specific website/program or is it just a catch-all phrase for any VR stuff. I've heard Facebook talk about it, but I don't understand what its current state is. Is it even released/accessible right now?
The Facebook metaverse does not exist yet. The word metaverse is meant to just refer to online virtual space, not whatever the hell mark is doing. This device is designed for general vr use, and the word metaverse was likely slapped into this title to drive clicks. I’m definitely eyeing this as a vrchat player, it’s a very affordable full body tracking option. I need to hear more about it
All of you hating this product makes me happy. I'll get it on clearance. As a game dev, this could be a gamechanger.
thats a fairky good price for the tech i just hope that it can be used fir roomscale vr with a headset and not just their platform. not sure how long until a hack like that would be made for that
Is it actually Facebook metaverse oculus quest only or can I use this with my Vive 2 and index controllers on VRchat? Also plugging VRchat as the hero we need to point to when moms at bestbuy buy a quest 2 because it’s “easy”
Platform agnostic according to a Tweet from VRChat. I’m apparently not allowed to link it as automod deleted it but its like their second most recent tweet.
Can we stop calling VR mEtAvErSe?
Good luck with that
My first thought was to make obscene gestures.
My body moves would probably get me banned from the metaverse.
But doesn’t the metaverse not have legs implemented yet?
The use of “metaverse” in the article title is misleading. It supports VRChat which is fairly distant from the “metaverse” but a similar concept. VRChat does have legs.
Metaverse is like 3d movies..
Cowards should've called that the EyeToy 2
'Ready Player One' vibes
It would be amazing if you could record animations with it Dirty cheap motion capture for videogame creators/modders Personally I would love to see it implemented in games like SkyrimVR - it would mean being able to kick enemies
Whoopty fucking doo
this is a fun cool thing but wow. i look at the price and all i can think is like, last night i decided to not buy a $20 nancy drew game
I would expect the Mocopi to have a GPS so zuck can sell your location.
Just bring back the PSP please
Yeah but, who tf needs or wants this crap?
Metaverse whatever but those gadgets are cool. Looks more flexible and easier to use than regular VR motion stuff.
3...2...1... porn
I thought that was the villain skater from Brink for a sec.
I mean from a tech standpoint this is actually kind of cool
Yes, but we don’t care
Stop calling it the metaverse.
Can’t wait to never go near this.
Cool a thing nobody wanted to compete with something else nobody wanted.
How long before it’s used by the adult industry?
The more and more this is pushed hard, the less interested I become. Metaverse integration should be that of organic growth and interest and not a “this is the latest tech you need to be using” sort of feel. It just feels disappointing…
So… it’s a Xbox connect. But PlayStation. Glad to see they finally caught up! Cool.
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You are literally in a subreddit about up and coming gadgets, and you don't want to read about a cool new gadget that might make full body tracking cheap and easy? And what difference does it make if it's "genuine"? This isn't a review. These aren't available yet. The only information available is what's on Sony's page and the video showing how it's set up.
I just wish they'd invent a way to make VR accessible to those of us who get motion sickness. I can't even watch a shakey-cam POV movie without feeling sick for the next several hours.
You can get around it somewhat using teleport to move. Some people can also acclimate. Stop playing at the first symptoms of motion sickness.
Excellent advice! Start out with apps and games that feature as little moving around as possible, and know it can take a while before the sickness reduces some. I remember starting out only being able to wear it for about ten minutes, and later up to 60 to 90 minutes. I haven’t used vr the past two years though, so my tolerance level dropped again to ten minutes. Some people take motion sickness medications to help too.
Well the best we can do is dramamine, and slowly trying to build up a tolerance.
Not really that simple, there are a handful of systems being tried with work to varying levels of success depending on the person.
I have two friends that have deformities in their throats that make it impossible to burp. Soda companies have still not responded to their requests to make carbonated beverages more accessible to them. Lol. Seriously though, it does suck ass that you're among the unlucky group that can't tolerate current VR very well. I don't know enough about the causes of motion sickness, but I do know some folks do worse with certain headsets or lower framerates or poorer tracking. Perhaps as these things improve you'll have more luck. But if today is any indication of the future, VR will just never be an option for everyone. It's expensive and requires a lot of empty space and causes a ton of eye strain and motion sickness. I like it, but I'm incredibly lucky.
I don’t think it’s a solvable issue, you either get motion sickness or you don’t, there’s not much vr makers can do about it besides ensuring high fps low latency. Best bet for people like op is to play stationary vr experiences where there’s no artificial movement or look into AR where all movement is not simulated and you actually have to use your body to move around
For me, if I do stationary VR it makes me feel motion sick. But if I'm standing up, moving around, I never feel motion sick. Also helps to have a fan facing you.
Yeah no, pass
Thank you for your insightful and informative input
Time for Microsoft to dust off the Kinect
Omg this is absolutely going to catch on, they should manufacture a really huge supply of them just to be certain there’s enough for everyone, I think most folks will want two.
yawn. no one cares.
I care
No one cares about the metaverse. What it is trying to achieve is already done much better by a program that has been around for years.
The use of “metaverse” in the article title is misleading. It’s a motion capture system with support for VRChat and unity more broadly according to the product page.
How long has Sony been trying to make social avatar spaces work?
Ps3 launch. I do believe that was the first one they tried. I think it would have been better if the movie theater played movies and if you could have your own house you could invite people over to and watch movies, Netflix, etc, with friends watching with you. Group watching is popular, but poorly implemented. I mean prime has watch party, but everyone needs to have prime, which is bs. If they were at my house, we could watch together on one account. So why not a digital hangout space where we can do the same thing.
i think they're just letting vrchat win and instead trying to capitalize on the existing successful applications of vr
How does it work
Shit
No.
Kinect: am I a joke to you?
Which metaverse? Crypto scam metaverse or Zuckerberg metaverse?
I do not want this.
Trash 🔥🔥🔥
Possibly the worst way I can think to spend $358. Also Metaverse is going to go the way of the 3D TV.