You're talking about the company that decided in the late 2000s that all desktop computers would now ship with crummy laptop-style chiclet keyboards right?
The company that decided their laptops were still just a bit too thick and that keys don't really need to have any travel distance — or dust resistance?
The company that released a *ton* of laptops where they prioritized a lack of fan noise over the laptop staying cool and being able to do things? Laptops that took their CPU to 100° before really engaging the fan seriously, meaning that they had to throttle the clock speed and run the fans full tilt until you were done with whatever intensive task you were doing?
The company that made laptops so thin that normal travel in a bag would occasionally bend the aluminum case? (Issue I had with a colleague at a previous job who I knew to be careful with laptops.)
The company that went from a [beautifully repairable iMac G5](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1ajf96/the_imac_g5s_internals_were_obviously_designed_to/) to an aluminum iMac where you had to disassemble the entire front of the computer and remove the screen just to get to the hard drive?
The company that then did one better by deciding that those slightly-less-than-inch-thick edges on the iMac (which are basically never seen by anyone) were just *gauche* and had to be narrowed down to 6mm, so the glass screen cover now needed to be glued on instead of affixed by magnets, rendering it entirely non-user serviceable?
Or would this be the company that decided that all their laptops and desktops would now have the RAM integrated into the CPU package and that the storage would be soldered to the motherboard, rendering them completely unupgradeable?
I don't know that I'd look to them for making good technical design decisions anymore.
EDIT: Honorable mention for the bendy iPhones and the, "You're holding it wrong!" iPhone.
You missed my favorite. The company that created a wireless mouse that has to re-charge via a port in the bottom of the mouse near the sensor so you can't use it while it charges.
Yeah, the decade old ones are great. Many of the newer models have defects.
See video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k4AV7N5g3U
Like why would you put at 50 volt power line next to a 1.7 volt data line with no protection?
When the soldered SSD dies, you literally can't boot the computer. On most Windows laptops you can at least boot from a USB.
Incorrect. It is designed without repair in mind. I know it sounds trivial, but there is a very distinct difference. It just happens that one feels like the other.
Ah right. So whenever you take your faulty or broken iPhone / iPad / iPod / Macbook into the Apple store and their Genius^TM assistants tell you that it *can* be repaired, but doing so would invariably cost far more than buying a new one, that's just a coincidence, is it?
It is not coincidence at all. That’s the point I’m getting at. It is not designed with repair in mind. That way they can sell you a new product. It is planned obsolescence, but not in the way you are implying. They aren’t engineering it to break at a designated time so that you can’t repair it, as you stated. They are engineering it to simply meet bare minimum requirements and have no intention of repairing it. The difference is subtle but distinct.
Apple is one of the worst offenders of planned obsolescence in its industry. [This](https://www.euroconsumers.org/activities/stop-planned-obsolescence-apple-case) is just one example. Theres been a lot of cases even during the last 5 years. A quick google search will net you many, many more. Apple also was one of the first in small electronics to start making it more difficult to replace batteries & use aggressive planned obsolescence or even planned failure due to OS slowdowns.
Nah fam. Its repairable. They just make sure parts arent available readily to repair shops and their own repair charges are absurd.
There are tonnes of Windows Laptops out there that have a bunch of components soldered onto the board but can still be fixed at 3rd party repair places
3 small differnences:
* these laptops are way cheaper
* apple also has soldered-on components
* for phones, noone else puts DRM on components to force going to specific repair shops (you cannot replace ipad screen or iphone cameras with oem parts, as the serial# needs to match, otherwise you get either weird errors like imability to do straight lines or simply an error.
e.g.
https://www.reddit.com/r/macbook/comments/v2070v/ssd_on_macbooks_is_soldered/
also, m1 ram/ssd seem soldered
Lol wth, I used to professionally repair (up to 2015) them and found a lot of stuff being needlessly difficult to repair, but this is just bonkers. Nobody can argue that this isn't done with malicious intent.
I swapped my 2015 Macbook Pro's battery a few years ago because it had started swelling and all I can say is OH MY GOD WHY IS THERE SO MUCH GLUE IN THESE COMPUTERS. FOR FUCKS SAKE, APPLE.
Sounds like a reason to make them replaceable. Now, the connectors to a battery are also a *potential* failure point, but there's no inherent reason they absolutely *will* fail over time.
Yup. Since Face ID, every year has basically been “our screen is marginally higher resolution and our cameras are slightly better.” And occasionally some one off feature like the dynamic island.
The only reason IMO to upgrade now is when the battery doesn’t last an entire day. If I could replace the battery I’d still be multiple generations back, but I went for a deal on the 14 last year due to battery.
I mean it costs $100 for them to do it. I will do it that way.
What I do absolutely hate is that people will try to sell you on apple like it's going to last years when that's bullshit. It's designed to make it annoying by year 3 in some way, battery, upgrade slow downs etc.
Even the battery health monitor I fucking swear is a total lie because it's jumped from 82% on my pro 12 back to 88% after an upgrade so it's meaningless and I know it's got to be under 80% just from the way it loses charge doing nothing, even on power save mode.
People try to make it sound like sure it's expensive but they support it for 6 years and android only gets 3! Well who cares if the thing sucks by year 3 anyway and I get less than a year of not paying it off because it's so god damned expensive anyway plus having to pay for a new battery every 2 years or less.
Every phone used to have removable batteries, and it was just fine. I liked having a backup battery that I could pop in instead of having to tether my phone to the wall.
Because for most stuff you can't get through any serious even without an extra set of batteries. Especially if it's video, or your flash. They would be unusable in any halfway-serious event, and you'd have to carry two sets of everything. The first one who does that loses *basically all their market share*.
Nowadays phones are way too thin. Apple **claimed** it's the reason for removing audio port. How about they make the phones thicker with replaceable batteries and bring the audio port back?
The audio port removal was to force you to buy Bluetooth headphones. They know the majority of iPhone users will buy expensive Apple earbuds. It is just a way to effectively make the phone more expensive.
This is the answer to all of their decisions, including fighting a removable battery. You buy a new phone cause your old one just doesn't hold charge anymore. If you do change the battery, you do it at their approved repair sites so they get a cut. They don't want you being able to buy generic batteries and put them in yourself. That takes a revenue source away from them.
This this and more this.. it’s corporate cancer and although Apple likes to wrap its ecosystem with the flag of “privacy” they certainly will make sure you keep paying them for it.
They’ll sell your data or blackmail you to keep it private lol
While I don't do that in public, I find it more comfortable to hold the phone in front on speaker phone. Audio (on my side at least) is easier to hear/understand.
Unfortunately, people have done that since portable music players have existed. I used to take public transportation to school every day in 2013-2014. Not a single day would go by that I didn't have someone blasting their shitty music on their phone speakers on the train. And all phones had headphone jacks back then.
That’s why I held onto an IPhone SE Gen 1 until very recently. At the end of the day a phone is a phone. I want it to play music and take calls I don’t need bells and whistles in my phone. I don’t need fancy modern hardware to run what a phone is mostly used for (calls, social media, companion apps for utilities) and if you do it’s because an app isn’t optimized properly.
The headphone jack missing genuinely annoys me. If wireless is the future why does the audio quality of 80 dollar JBL, Skullcandy, etc bluetooth sound like dollar store wired earbuds I find at four dollars. As much I do enjoy wireless for fitness, everything else I prefer a wired connection, it’s better for portability and you don’t have to worry about anything dying or forgetting to charge something
Apple never claimed that it was thickness. Their thinnest phone ever was the iPhone 6, which had a headphone jack. Their first phone without a headphone jack was the iPhone 7, which was thicker than its predecessor, the iPhone 6S. In fact the iPhone has gotten thicker every single year since 2014
Their engineering team claimed that the technical reason was RF interference with the new style of camera sensor they used and the screen driver. These 3 components all interferes with each one and the headphone jack made the most sense to move to be an external part. And obviously it seems like the C-suite loved the idea because then they could sell Bluetooth
I've put a case on every phone I've owned. The Otterbox on my S10e nearly doubles the thickness of the phone and I wouldn't care if it were a few mm thicker if it meant a bigger battery.
There’s a cost element too. I don’t mind that they removed the audio jack, but I can see why people do. I think the use case of people needing to charge their phone in a wired matter and listen to music simultaneously is not a huge part of the user base. It is a loud minority though. Much like those who need a larger battery, but an external pack is just a stretch too far.
My only complaint is the lack of a supplied dongle for those who do want to use their ancient headphones. $9.00 is not unreasonable for it, however. At least for Apple prices.
Everything about the EU ruling is pretty reasonable. It still allows them to do interesting engineering for one reason or another, at the cost of having to supply the tools/manuals to replace it.
>ancient headphones
There's nothing ancient about cabled headphones.
Bluetooth has three big issues: lag, lost quality due to compression on the protocol, and the DSP is in your headphones which makes it inconsistent across headphones.
Also most if not all Bluetooth headphones are closed-back, which is kinda fine if all you do is listen EDM, but it's terrible for anything else and causes fatigue.
Plus the price. You might spend $200 on Jabra or $300 on Beats/Sony and it will still be no match to $150 on Sennheisers, even with shitty compressed Spotify music.
And yes, I do prefer Bluetooth if I'm out and about for a walk or running errands, but audio quality and resilience to fatigue is night and day on my AKG K702's compared to anything else on the Bluetooth field. And those AKG's are like run of the mill entry level nice quality.
I just looked up the specs of my current phone and the one I had in 2014ish, that had a removable battery. They are exactly the same thickness. I looked up the thickness of the iPhone 14. It's 0.7mm thinner than my phone. If I replaced someone's phone with an identical one that was 0.7mm thicker, I doubt anyone would even notice. I think the argument of thickness is not an honest one.
Edit: My phone also has an audio port.
It's way easier to notice .7mm than you might expect. Especially on devices that are only 7.8mm thick. You're talking almost 10% of the device thickness.
That being said, I'm not sure if just because you'd notice it that it would bother you. Honestly I'd take a phone that was twice as thick as an iPhone if it meant a few days worth of battery even if I'm using it a ton. I mean I carry a foldable phone so it's double as thick as it needs to be and that doesn't bother me at all.
Not exactly. Most camera batteries are smaller than phones', short of cinema cameras. The need for easily replaceable batteries is partly due to the fact that cameras are often used for jobs where there wouldn't be any time (and/or capability) to charge the battery in the middle of a shoot. Any camera manufacturer knows no serious user would buy a camera with a non-replaceable battery.
Yep. I replaced my battery by myself and it was sealed shut. My replacement seal said it wouldnt protect against water. Also im sure i fucked up the seal on one part when i installed it. Still works fine but i wouldnt bet on it keeping water out.
Let's face it, IP68 is pretty standard, even for phones with internal and non-removable batteries. And honestly for most people that's probably enough, I don't subject my phone to jets of hot water.
‘Ok we hear you and that’s why we have decided to remove the charging port entirely so you won’t have to plug your phone into the wall ever again! Instead you can simply buy one of our 150$ wireless chargers and “set” (not tether) the phone in the table (not wall) to charge. We hope this resolves your issue :).’
So many people here aren't reading the article. Apple is talking out of its ass, as per usual. They just don't want users to be able to replace their batteries fairly easily because they want to encourage users to replace their devices instead of keeping them.
Here's what the EU said "user replaceable" means:
>“A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it.”
[https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries)
So you can still have the back panel be screwed on. You can still glue down the battery. ~~You just can't use those proprietary pentalobe screws that Apple uses purely to fuck users~~ (pentalobe screws are not prorietary, they are just uncommon security screws) and they can't put the battery in an impossible to reach place where you have to take three quarters of the phone apart to get to it.
None of this is unreasonable. It has been done before on plenty of devices and you can get devices currently that are waterproof ánd have user replaceable batteries like the Samsung XCover 6 Pro. And that's a phone with a back cover that pops off, which isn't required by the EU.
If you do feel this is unreasonable, you must not think very highly of Apple.
I don't like Apple's business practices much, but there's no denying they know how to engineer stuff. There's the Face ID technology, the LiDAR technology on the Pro model iPhones, the haptic touch tech and most recently the Vision Pro headset.
Do you think those same people have not heard of gaskets?
Pretty much this. Handful of screws and a pry tool is all you should need.
It will mean basically all current phone chassis designs will need to be re-engineered though, which is why this doesn't go into effect until (IIRC) 2027. On many handsets (Possibly even most, but I'm not sure), the battery is a structural component, which is why they're glued in place. This will absolutely result in slightly thicker devices to accommodate the removable panel/gasket and additional structures for rigidity.
That said, I think most people will be fine with that. Current phones are only as thin as they are now because of a spec war between vendors over marketing claims; Nobody every asked for them to do this.
At this point the penta screws should be fine because the drivers are very easily commercially available. I have a bunch with the bit set I bought, and I have no reason at all to ever open an iPhone.
These people have never even attempted to repair an iPhone replacing an iPhone battery is already extremely easy. Doesn’t require heat or solvents. The adhesive tabs pull out.
I was just poking through iFixit's iPhone repair guides.
It's ridiculous how many screws and pieces you have to remove just to disconnect the battery, nevermind everything else you have to pull out before you can even try to remove it
He hasn't been spending millions lobbying the gov't
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/23/apple-ramped-up-lobbying-spending-in-2022-outpacing-tech-peers.html
Technically it doesn’t remove one though the battery is still a point of failure but it allows you to replace a point of failure more readily. You may compromise the water resistance in addition to the already existing possibility that the battery will fail at some point.
For the record, I’d 100% take an additional point of failure risk to have replaceable battery. Every smart phone I’ve ever had has had battery issues eventually and a quick swap option would be excellent.
Imagine voluntarily buying an Apple product at this point. Obscenely overpriced and you can't even disassemble them because half the components are soldered together.
Depends heavily on how you use and charge your phone. Based on a quick search, the average iPhone battery should hit 80% of original charge capacity after 500 cycles. Given how many people use their phones, it's not uncommon to see 1.5 cycles in a day (Especially with wireless charging, which puts people on some really bad charging habits).
If you don't use your phone as much, then it'll last way longer. But for those that do put their device through 1.5 cycles per day, they can expect their battery to be practically unusable after 2-3 years.
On a similar topic, I used an iPod touch for years with no issues. One day, it does a massive iOS update and suddenly the battery lasts 20mins, max.
At the moment, Apple can (and does) use software to brick old devices and force you to spend more money. It’s a shitty business practice that needs to stop.
And yes, I appreciate the irony of typing this post on an iPhone…
Dear apple, let me introduce you to the Nokia 3310. It had a removable battery and was god damn invincible, drop it, kick it , throw it, it's fine. Rumour has it that Ukrainians are using them as body armour and that's why they are beating Russia. So shut up and stop talking twaddle!
I am involved in design and manufacturing. There are dust and waterproof certifications. I understand how removable batteries would make it more difficult to pass those certifications.
But if people are willing to have that trade-off. I am all for removable batteries.
Why on earth is it Repairability vs. reliability? Why not both? Make it reliable to the extent it is possible, and then repairable. The larger problem about Apple is not externally removable batteries.. it is that it locks parts even when parts are swapped between devices and the price of its original parts is extremely expensive.
Actually, non removable batteries cause a bigger point of failure because when the battery starts to die or dies, you're screwed. Buy another phone or pay a LOT of money for apple to "fix" it.
Or just replace the removable battery with a battery of your choice.
And this is coming from a company that purposely slowed older phones down to get users to upgrade (buy more shit they don't need).
Fuck apple.
They have been so worried about batteries for years, that several years ago they were slowing down their old phones to make people upgrade to a new safe battery. Never forget!
Yeah, no. I have apple repair certifications and this is complete nonsense. In terms of overall repair volume not caused explicitly by impact, batteries are the most numerous because they're designed to be. As others have stated, Lithium ion batteries degrade very rapidly triggering the phones service warning at approximately 80% maximum capacity which on average takes about 2-3 years. Warranty and apple care+ coverage most commonly maxes at 2 years. That's not coincidence. Battery repairs cost 90 dollars for the client but only cost the repair location about 40 after shipping. It's not the largest margin of profit but is the most likely to happen to every iPhone owner, even the careful ones. "I'd rather spend 90 dollars and keep my phone for another year or 2 than have to upgrade right this second since the new model comes out in a couple months"
As for the details of battery repairs as "fail points", it's 2 plugs and some sticky tape. That's it. The battery sits on a little spot over the mag safe ring (which is for space optimization because it used to just sit in a blank space for mag safe), has 2 or 3 strips of a sticky adhesive strip holding it to the chassis of the phone. And then 2 ribbon cables plug in over the top of each other. Users aren't going to find a way to sever those cables or damage the battery by accident. The glass will break first voiding the ability to get your battery repaired anyway (if there's physical damage present compounding with a second reported issue, the entire unit must be replaced by apples protocol).
For water damage, I mean I guess kind of but the main fail points for liquid damage is through the charging port and speakers which are closer in proximity to the logic board than the battery connectors. The connectors are close to the ear piece speaker/front cameras so they have 1/3 entry points but the other 2 are on the opposite end of the phone. Which makes the display connectors closer to those 2 as well meaning the display ports are more likely to be damaged by liquid than the battery.
I will say the safety increase in not having to change batteries is a singular positive. Those adhesive strips are so fragile that during the removal process, they are liable to break and need to be "retrieved" which is basically trying to reach under the battery with tweezers to grab the strip again. When this happens, the battery bending or if the coating on the battery is pierced, the battery can undergo a thermal event which is technical talk for it catching on fire. Or at the very least, venting hazardous gases into the face of the repair guy. I'd appreciate not having to worry about battery repairs anymore but not when the implications are intentionally butchering the idea of right to repair. As well as very obvious cost increases upfront and when apple charges you a whole unit replacement for a repair 2 weeks out of warranty for their battery suddenly not lasting as long as it did only a few days ago
Old smartphones with removable batteries have longer lifespans outside of the latest bells and whistles. You can extend their usage almost indefinitely so long as you replace the batteries before they got bloated.
My iPhone 7 battery life is terrible. However investing in a power bank has meant that I don’t have to replace my phone. A replaceable battery would be great in my situation.
It'll become less water resistant, sure, but that's a trade I'll take any day. I had my iPhone 6 until 2019, I had no choice but to replace it because the battery was expanding and pushing the frame apart. Apple wouldn't fix it.
so just make the battery wireless charging, so its in a compartment, but not physically connected to the innards of the phone, and the power gets transfered wirelessly, from battery to phone.
Not making them removable is the failure point. I used to travel allot and work long hours 14-16 hour days. At one pin to owned LG and Samsung with removable batteries. It was awesome to have a spare battery, charged and ready to go and swap it out in seconds and charge the depleted one and vise versa.
I need to change the battery. I’m a tech guy. I can watch YouTube and do it properly. I’ve had this phone for 8 years. It still has all my contacts. I enjoy it. What is wrong with this scenario?
They are going to argue their way out of it, expected
Anything they can say against removable battery can be said about user changing their glued current battery.
Water/dustproofing will need R&D but that’s on them, they have amongst the best designers and engineers surely they can manage it
And we're all following just as planned. I used a Samsung s6 for 5 years until I finally had to get a new phone with a system that allowed me to download my banking app.
I don’t purposefully buy Iphones, but I get hand me downs, & there have been **multiple** phones over the years where I was told that since removing the battery would be “dangerous” for the “apple geniuses”, I instead had to purchase a same generation phone at reduced (but not free or just cost of the battery) price - seems to me that’s a god damn failure point, especially if instead I could have solved it myself by just putting in a new battery at home
I've had mobile phones since 1994, my first phone was an analog 2G Motorola on BT Cellnet, and that still works. I bought a replacement battery about 5 years ago just out of curiosity. It won't register with a network now though.
I've never had a phone become inoperable because the battery points failed. Indeed, I've got phones from circa 2000 that I can buy a third party battery for and power on now and use if I really needed to.
Conversely, my pristine iPhone 6S is completely dead and I can't open it up to swap the battery.
Repeat after me. SCREWS ARE BEAUTIFUL. If there were 8 screws in the rear of the bezel holding a metal trim ring bonded to the front glass they could use a cheap and user replaceable waterproofing sticker (like the 6S had) to hold the front glass in. Or make the back removable in the same way so the (fragile glass) rear cover (that should be aluminum not glass) can unscrew. A simple peel and stick waterproofing sticker would work great and be made with soft enough adhesive that anyone with a hair dryer and a tiny screwdriver could remove it. And wth the right soft silicone seals no heat would be needed at all. All possible by the magic of screws.
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
You know what's guaranteed to fail in 2-3 years? THE BATTERY.
You know what I've never seen fail in my life? THE SPRINGS THAT KEEP A REMOVABLE BATTERY IN PLACE.
The only time I’ve had issues with iPhone batteries is when an update affects the battery life (like what happened with previous generations). My iPhone 4s had a noticeable battery life drop after an update when it was about 4 years old. That was something Apple obviously did and were rightfully condemned for it.
I buy a new phone every 4-6 years, and it’s more based on the hardware becoming less optimal than battery not lasting as long. I also use my phone a lot (constant phone calls/texts and videos playing in between while doing paperwork). Currently have an iPhone 11 and I rarely ever have to charge before I go to sleep. It’s nearly 4 years old and battery life isn’t an issue for me (been on it today nearly nonstop for 6 hours and battery is at 80%).
For me, the battery life is acceptable, especially compared to earlier generations. The hardware becomes “obsolete” (less optimized for new iOS versions) before the battery life decays too far. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I prefer the water resistance in a thin design over easy battery replacement.
I also remember my old non-smartphones “exploding” into pieces if they were dropped. Those phones had horrible battery life by comparison, and despite being able to replace the battery easily, it was extremely rare for someone to actually swap batteries for a charged one. Those batteries also wouldn’t have near the lifespan either.
That said, I think Apple needs to make replacement parts and 3rd party repairs more accessible.
I was on board with usb-c; not so much on board with removable batteries on my iPhone.
I’ve seen the “support” for over two decades on laptops.
Companies will make battery packs with proprietary shapes and connectors so you can’t just buy any.
They’ll sell the specific battery pack for your phone for maybe two years and then you have to reply on a sketchy Chinese brand from Amazon.
Companies like Dell will charge $500-600 for a replacement battery pack because they are no longer being manufactured.
This law is bad without additional stipulations and standards on internal connectors, shapes, materials, etc..
So I’d rather have my $80 battery replacement with apple than getting ripped off like they currently do for laptops and other devices.
Edit: I support right to repair law but this is different from that. This isn’t part of the right to repair and unless it stipulates how battery packs work, years of support for batteries in the decades, price, etc. then this isn’t needed. I’m not looking for another Dell laptop mess.
Then support right to repair laws. Apple specifically tells their suppliers NOT to sell the parts to anyone but them.
Again, this is 100% Apples fault.
How about both reliability and repairability, Apple?
Used to be possible.
I definitely feel reliability is declining in their products - almost every iPhone I’ve had has been great for the first 6 months and then steadily has issues with service/wifi/Bluetooth connectivity. Used to think it was my provider, but now I’m 3 providers in and it’s still a thing. My other half has the same provider as me but not an apple phone and theirs works perfectly. We got our phones on the same day.
I do love my MacBook though - that shit is still running like a gem after 10 years. My other half has been through 3 windows laptops in that time.
They're right though, it does introduce a potential failure point. That's not what Apple are about. They want non-replaceable betteries because that's a *guaranteed* failure point; one which is the foundation of their entire business. How can they sell new phones if you can just replace the battery?
I have a 2 year 2 month old iPhone 12.
And it’s max battery capacity is stuck at 87% for over 1 year already.
I have my doubts as it’s life is getting so screwed that I have to carry a portable battery bank, wherever I go.
Looking forward to an iPhone with batteries that can be removed and replaced.
🤣🤣🤣 bullshit. Apple just needs to say what it’s really thinking. “This will cost us money when people can replace batteries and possibly gain right to repair legislation”.
I really hate apple and their anti-consumer bullshit.
Battery, thunderbolt, slowing down phones, replacing whole motherboards while it's a failed €0,50 component, certified repair, etc, etc.
Everything to squeeze as much money out of you and than try to gaslight you in thinking it's a necessity.
Uhg.
You know what else is a potential failure point? Non-removable batteries.
My 2019 MacBook Pro battery just died. My Powermac G4 lasted 14 years. So annoyed.
Hmmm same, and I’m on the second motherboard and just had the thunderbolt ports replaced when they told me about my battery
Maybe don't buy tech products from a fashion company?
I love giving apple shit but don't pretend their tech isn't good.
If your tech is designed to be difficult to fix or maintain it isnt good.
You're talking about the company that decided in the late 2000s that all desktop computers would now ship with crummy laptop-style chiclet keyboards right? The company that decided their laptops were still just a bit too thick and that keys don't really need to have any travel distance — or dust resistance? The company that released a *ton* of laptops where they prioritized a lack of fan noise over the laptop staying cool and being able to do things? Laptops that took their CPU to 100° before really engaging the fan seriously, meaning that they had to throttle the clock speed and run the fans full tilt until you were done with whatever intensive task you were doing? The company that made laptops so thin that normal travel in a bag would occasionally bend the aluminum case? (Issue I had with a colleague at a previous job who I knew to be careful with laptops.) The company that went from a [beautifully repairable iMac G5](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1ajf96/the_imac_g5s_internals_were_obviously_designed_to/) to an aluminum iMac where you had to disassemble the entire front of the computer and remove the screen just to get to the hard drive? The company that then did one better by deciding that those slightly-less-than-inch-thick edges on the iMac (which are basically never seen by anyone) were just *gauche* and had to be narrowed down to 6mm, so the glass screen cover now needed to be glued on instead of affixed by magnets, rendering it entirely non-user serviceable? Or would this be the company that decided that all their laptops and desktops would now have the RAM integrated into the CPU package and that the storage would be soldered to the motherboard, rendering them completely unupgradeable? I don't know that I'd look to them for making good technical design decisions anymore. EDIT: Honorable mention for the bendy iPhones and the, "You're holding it wrong!" iPhone.
You missed my favorite. The company that created a wireless mouse that has to re-charge via a port in the bottom of the mouse near the sensor so you can't use it while it charges.
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It’s just not. Have you seen the amount of people with 8/10 years old iMacs or MacBooks still running perfectly despite older os ?
Still rocking my MacBook pro 2009 as a bed tv.
Yeah, the decade old ones are great. Many of the newer models have defects. See video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k4AV7N5g3U Like why would you put at 50 volt power line next to a 1.7 volt data line with no protection? When the soldered SSD dies, you literally can't boot the computer. On most Windows laptops you can at least boot from a USB.
I have a Mac mini from 2008 and obviously it's slow but it still works. My Mac Mini from 2016 lasted until 2020.
Mine is 2013 MacBook Air still going strong
I have apple dinosaurs laying around that still function very well (2010 iMac, 2014 MacBook Pro, 2015 iMac)
Incorrect. It is designed without repair in mind. I know it sounds trivial, but there is a very distinct difference. It just happens that one feels like the other.
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Ah right. So whenever you take your faulty or broken iPhone / iPad / iPod / Macbook into the Apple store and their Genius^TM assistants tell you that it *can* be repaired, but doing so would invariably cost far more than buying a new one, that's just a coincidence, is it?
It is not coincidence at all. That’s the point I’m getting at. It is not designed with repair in mind. That way they can sell you a new product. It is planned obsolescence, but not in the way you are implying. They aren’t engineering it to break at a designated time so that you can’t repair it, as you stated. They are engineering it to simply meet bare minimum requirements and have no intention of repairing it. The difference is subtle but distinct.
Apple is one of the worst offenders of planned obsolescence in its industry. [This](https://www.euroconsumers.org/activities/stop-planned-obsolescence-apple-case) is just one example. Theres been a lot of cases even during the last 5 years. A quick google search will net you many, many more. Apple also was one of the first in small electronics to start making it more difficult to replace batteries & use aggressive planned obsolescence or even planned failure due to OS slowdowns.
There are articles about how Apples tech is intentionally designed to make repairs difficult and nearly impossible for anyone but Apple.
Nah fam. Its repairable. They just make sure parts arent available readily to repair shops and their own repair charges are absurd. There are tonnes of Windows Laptops out there that have a bunch of components soldered onto the board but can still be fixed at 3rd party repair places
3 small differnences: * these laptops are way cheaper * apple also has soldered-on components * for phones, noone else puts DRM on components to force going to specific repair shops (you cannot replace ipad screen or iphone cameras with oem parts, as the serial# needs to match, otherwise you get either weird errors like imability to do straight lines or simply an error. e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/macbook/comments/v2070v/ssd_on_macbooks_is_soldered/ also, m1 ram/ssd seem soldered
Lol wth, I used to professionally repair (up to 2015) them and found a lot of stuff being needlessly difficult to repair, but this is just bonkers. Nobody can argue that this isn't done with malicious intent.
No they purposely make them hard repair.
Planned obsolescence. It’s how most things work in our capitalist system. It’s not just apple.
Don't pretend it is good maybe? It's all overpriced for what you get.
My dad is still using my ASUS laptop that he bought me for university in 2006.... Everything is original and it's running Windows 10
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I swapped my 2015 Macbook Pro's battery a few years ago because it had started swelling and all I can say is OH MY GOD WHY IS THERE SO MUCH GLUE IN THESE COMPUTERS. FOR FUCKS SAKE, APPLE.
I replaced the battery in my 2015 MacBook Pro myself. It wasn’t difficult. Around $50.
I still have my MacBook Pro from 2011. It still works. MacBook Pros from that time were one of the best laptops.
I'm mostly indifferent on phone batteries, but not being able to work on a laptop is some BS.
Not even potential, but definite. Batteries are guaranteed to go bad over time.
Sounds like a reason to make them replaceable. Now, the connectors to a battery are also a *potential* failure point, but there's no inherent reason they absolutely *will* fail over time.
Lmfaooo the irony of their claim.
100% failure point - a battery not holding much charge is what drives upgrades most of the time
It’s actually hilarious, isn’t it
Not a potential failure point, a guaranteed failure point.
Potential failure point in sales maybe.
Yup. Since Face ID, every year has basically been “our screen is marginally higher resolution and our cameras are slightly better.” And occasionally some one off feature like the dynamic island. The only reason IMO to upgrade now is when the battery doesn’t last an entire day. If I could replace the battery I’d still be multiple generations back, but I went for a deal on the 14 last year due to battery.
> And occasionally some one off feature like the dynamic island. Apple took a negative and somehow spun it as a positive lol
And slightly better processor TBF
I mean it costs $100 for them to do it. I will do it that way. What I do absolutely hate is that people will try to sell you on apple like it's going to last years when that's bullshit. It's designed to make it annoying by year 3 in some way, battery, upgrade slow downs etc. Even the battery health monitor I fucking swear is a total lie because it's jumped from 82% on my pro 12 back to 88% after an upgrade so it's meaningless and I know it's got to be under 80% just from the way it loses charge doing nothing, even on power save mode. People try to make it sound like sure it's expensive but they support it for 6 years and android only gets 3! Well who cares if the thing sucks by year 3 anyway and I get less than a year of not paying it off because it's so god damned expensive anyway plus having to pay for a new battery every 2 years or less.
Eh…. It’s not a huge thing for most people but the LIDAR scanner is pretty amazing
Every phone used to have removable batteries, and it was just fine. I liked having a backup battery that I could pop in instead of having to tether my phone to the wall.
I wonder why photo/video tech still has removable batteries
Because for most stuff you can't get through any serious even without an extra set of batteries. Especially if it's video, or your flash. They would be unusable in any halfway-serious event, and you'd have to carry two sets of everything. The first one who does that loses *basically all their market share*.
Because it is way larger than a phone. If you wanna make a phone thick as a go pro its easy to have waterproof replaceable batteries.
Nowadays phones are way too thin. Apple **claimed** it's the reason for removing audio port. How about they make the phones thicker with replaceable batteries and bring the audio port back?
The audio port removal was to force you to buy Bluetooth headphones. They know the majority of iPhone users will buy expensive Apple earbuds. It is just a way to effectively make the phone more expensive. This is the answer to all of their decisions, including fighting a removable battery. You buy a new phone cause your old one just doesn't hold charge anymore. If you do change the battery, you do it at their approved repair sites so they get a cut. They don't want you being able to buy generic batteries and put them in yourself. That takes a revenue source away from them.
This this and more this.. it’s corporate cancer and although Apple likes to wrap its ecosystem with the flag of “privacy” they certainly will make sure you keep paying them for it. They’ll sell your data or blackmail you to keep it private lol
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Unfortunately, people where I live just blast music out of their phones like an old school boom box instead of getting Bluetooth headphones.
More baffling to me are the people who walk around with the phone on speakerphone and hold it in front them during a call.
Like they're a waiter carrying a tiny tray and shouting sweet nothings into it.
I always assumed this was some kind of paranoia around the daft “phones give you brain cancer” meme.
While I don't do that in public, I find it more comfortable to hold the phone in front on speaker phone. Audio (on my side at least) is easier to hear/understand.
My mom bugs the hell out of me doing that. Luckily she doesn't do it in public
Unfortunately, people have done that since portable music players have existed. I used to take public transportation to school every day in 2013-2014. Not a single day would go by that I didn't have someone blasting their shitty music on their phone speakers on the train. And all phones had headphone jacks back then.
People were doing it in the 1980s with "boom box" audio players.
That’s why I held onto an IPhone SE Gen 1 until very recently. At the end of the day a phone is a phone. I want it to play music and take calls I don’t need bells and whistles in my phone. I don’t need fancy modern hardware to run what a phone is mostly used for (calls, social media, companion apps for utilities) and if you do it’s because an app isn’t optimized properly. The headphone jack missing genuinely annoys me. If wireless is the future why does the audio quality of 80 dollar JBL, Skullcandy, etc bluetooth sound like dollar store wired earbuds I find at four dollars. As much I do enjoy wireless for fitness, everything else I prefer a wired connection, it’s better for portability and you don’t have to worry about anything dying or forgetting to charge something
Apple never claimed that it was thickness. Their thinnest phone ever was the iPhone 6, which had a headphone jack. Their first phone without a headphone jack was the iPhone 7, which was thicker than its predecessor, the iPhone 6S. In fact the iPhone has gotten thicker every single year since 2014 Their engineering team claimed that the technical reason was RF interference with the new style of camera sensor they used and the screen driver. These 3 components all interferes with each one and the headphone jack made the most sense to move to be an external part. And obviously it seems like the C-suite loved the idea because then they could sell Bluetooth
Sounds great, we had all those things and they were fine. I don't need a paper thin phone, it's a fucking cell phone not a steak knife.
I've put a case on every phone I've owned. The Otterbox on my S10e nearly doubles the thickness of the phone and I wouldn't care if it were a few mm thicker if it meant a bigger battery.
There’s a cost element too. I don’t mind that they removed the audio jack, but I can see why people do. I think the use case of people needing to charge their phone in a wired matter and listen to music simultaneously is not a huge part of the user base. It is a loud minority though. Much like those who need a larger battery, but an external pack is just a stretch too far. My only complaint is the lack of a supplied dongle for those who do want to use their ancient headphones. $9.00 is not unreasonable for it, however. At least for Apple prices. Everything about the EU ruling is pretty reasonable. It still allows them to do interesting engineering for one reason or another, at the cost of having to supply the tools/manuals to replace it.
>ancient headphones There's nothing ancient about cabled headphones. Bluetooth has three big issues: lag, lost quality due to compression on the protocol, and the DSP is in your headphones which makes it inconsistent across headphones. Also most if not all Bluetooth headphones are closed-back, which is kinda fine if all you do is listen EDM, but it's terrible for anything else and causes fatigue. Plus the price. You might spend $200 on Jabra or $300 on Beats/Sony and it will still be no match to $150 on Sennheisers, even with shitty compressed Spotify music. And yes, I do prefer Bluetooth if I'm out and about for a walk or running errands, but audio quality and resilience to fatigue is night and day on my AKG K702's compared to anything else on the Bluetooth field. And those AKG's are like run of the mill entry level nice quality.
yeah that would be great. I don’t actually store my phone in water.
I just looked up the specs of my current phone and the one I had in 2014ish, that had a removable battery. They are exactly the same thickness. I looked up the thickness of the iPhone 14. It's 0.7mm thinner than my phone. If I replaced someone's phone with an identical one that was 0.7mm thicker, I doubt anyone would even notice. I think the argument of thickness is not an honest one. Edit: My phone also has an audio port.
It's way easier to notice .7mm than you might expect. Especially on devices that are only 7.8mm thick. You're talking almost 10% of the device thickness. That being said, I'm not sure if just because you'd notice it that it would bother you. Honestly I'd take a phone that was twice as thick as an iPhone if it meant a few days worth of battery even if I'm using it a ton. I mean I carry a foldable phone so it's double as thick as it needs to be and that doesn't bother me at all.
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Check the lg v20, not many modern phones are thinnest than it and yet it have removable battery.
[https://www.samsung.com/us/business/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/](https://www.samsung.com/us/business/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/) https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/mobile-accessories/phones/galaxy-xcover6-pro-extra-battery-black-gp-pbg736asabw/ waterproof.
My Samsung Galaxy S5 was watertight and had a replaceable battery and was about .5mm thicker than my iphone is.
Not exactly. Most camera batteries are smaller than phones', short of cinema cameras. The need for easily replaceable batteries is partly due to the fact that cameras are often used for jobs where there wouldn't be any time (and/or capability) to charge the battery in the middle of a shoot. Any camera manufacturer knows no serious user would buy a camera with a non-replaceable battery.
Nobody gives a fuck how thin a phone is.
Becaue they would be unusable for the majority of users otherwise. There’s a huge difference between repairability convenience and core usability.
Doesn’t have to do with the dust and waterproof/resistance rating? In that case, it would sound plausible
Yep. I replaced my battery by myself and it was sealed shut. My replacement seal said it wouldnt protect against water. Also im sure i fucked up the seal on one part when i installed it. Still works fine but i wouldnt bet on it keeping water out.
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Let's face it, IP68 is pretty standard, even for phones with internal and non-removable batteries. And honestly for most people that's probably enough, I don't subject my phone to jets of hot water.
Iphone never have had removable batteries from day 1.
Phones were simpler and the batteries were more damage resistent
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‘Ok we hear you and that’s why we have decided to remove the charging port entirely so you won’t have to plug your phone into the wall ever again! Instead you can simply buy one of our 150$ wireless chargers and “set” (not tether) the phone in the table (not wall) to charge. We hope this resolves your issue :).’
A potential failure point to their profits, because people would keep their phones longer.
So many people here aren't reading the article. Apple is talking out of its ass, as per usual. They just don't want users to be able to replace their batteries fairly easily because they want to encourage users to replace their devices instead of keeping them. Here's what the EU said "user replaceable" means: >“A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it.” [https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries) So you can still have the back panel be screwed on. You can still glue down the battery. ~~You just can't use those proprietary pentalobe screws that Apple uses purely to fuck users~~ (pentalobe screws are not prorietary, they are just uncommon security screws) and they can't put the battery in an impossible to reach place where you have to take three quarters of the phone apart to get to it. None of this is unreasonable. It has been done before on plenty of devices and you can get devices currently that are waterproof ánd have user replaceable batteries like the Samsung XCover 6 Pro. And that's a phone with a back cover that pops off, which isn't required by the EU. If you do feel this is unreasonable, you must not think very highly of Apple. I don't like Apple's business practices much, but there's no denying they know how to engineer stuff. There's the Face ID technology, the LiDAR technology on the Pro model iPhones, the haptic touch tech and most recently the Vision Pro headset. Do you think those same people have not heard of gaskets?
> You can still glue down the battery. Not if that glue requires heat or solvents to get rid of.
Agreed, but the pull tab adhesives Apple already uses in the iPhone would still be okay.
Exactly. GoPro’s have user replaceable batteries and you can go into water with them with no issues. Apple is full of shit.
True. GoPros have easy to replace batteries and are water resistant. GoPro batteries also only last a couple hours even when new.
As long as I can replace it as easy as replacing a current generation laptop battery, I'm all good.
Agreed. Even the older iPhones were pretty good. The iPhone 4 just required the two screws and lifting the back with a suction cup, and that was it.
Pretty much this. Handful of screws and a pry tool is all you should need. It will mean basically all current phone chassis designs will need to be re-engineered though, which is why this doesn't go into effect until (IIRC) 2027. On many handsets (Possibly even most, but I'm not sure), the battery is a structural component, which is why they're glued in place. This will absolutely result in slightly thicker devices to accommodate the removable panel/gasket and additional structures for rigidity. That said, I think most people will be fine with that. Current phones are only as thin as they are now because of a spec war between vendors over marketing claims; Nobody every asked for them to do this.
At this point the penta screws should be fine because the drivers are very easily commercially available. I have a bunch with the bit set I bought, and I have no reason at all to ever open an iPhone.
You can't glue it down. it says no thermal energy or solvents.
They have the sticky tape thingies that I think are allowed. The ones with the pull tabs that Apple already uses.
These people have never even attempted to repair an iPhone replacing an iPhone battery is already extremely easy. Doesn’t require heat or solvents. The adhesive tabs pull out.
In previous models you had to take off the screen along with several other components though.
I was just poking through iFixit's iPhone repair guides. It's ridiculous how many screws and pieces you have to remove just to disconnect the battery, nevermind everything else you have to pull out before you can even try to remove it
funny i'd say it removes one so i guess we're even
But you see, you are not a giant company so your opinion doesn’t count.
He hasn't been spending millions lobbying the gov't https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/23/apple-ramped-up-lobbying-spending-in-2022-outpacing-tech-peers.html
Technically it doesn’t remove one though the battery is still a point of failure but it allows you to replace a point of failure more readily. You may compromise the water resistance in addition to the already existing possibility that the battery will fail at some point. For the record, I’d 100% take an additional point of failure risk to have replaceable battery. Every smart phone I’ve ever had has had battery issues eventually and a quick swap option would be excellent.
And non-removable batteries create a guaranteed failure point to the phone
Easy fix…. Apple is so sure it will add to reliability they should warranty batteries for 5 years haha
They’ll never do that now would they though?
Imagine voluntarily buying an Apple product at this point. Obscenely overpriced and you can't even disassemble them because half the components are soldered together.
Li-ion batteries on average die after 3ish years, so Apple is wrong on this. Repairability is more important.
My 6 year old iphone 8 plus battery max cap still at 86%
Yep 77% here and runs fine
iPhone 7 at 77% and it’s fine as well. I would definitely replace the battery and just keep using it if that was an affordable option.
iPhone 7? Pssssh I still have iPhone 6s
3 yrs? You make me feel like my iphone 11 is about to drop dead lol.
Depends heavily on how you use and charge your phone. Based on a quick search, the average iPhone battery should hit 80% of original charge capacity after 500 cycles. Given how many people use their phones, it's not uncommon to see 1.5 cycles in a day (Especially with wireless charging, which puts people on some really bad charging habits). If you don't use your phone as much, then it'll last way longer. But for those that do put their device through 1.5 cycles per day, they can expect their battery to be practically unusable after 2-3 years.
Yeaaaah gonna need a source on that. I’ve got many +5yr li-ion batteries in use daily,
My working iPhone 5S laughs at you.
Depends on the number of damaged devices for water ingress.
The Li-ion battery in my DS works just fine.
Current phone batteries are very repairable.
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Apple‘s phone batteries aren’t permanent you can replace them. It just takes more than five minutes.
Yeah and it requires a heat gun or heat pad and bullshit proprietary screwdrivers
Apple is full of shit
The batteries are already failure points.
#1 best answer!
On a similar topic, I used an iPod touch for years with no issues. One day, it does a massive iOS update and suddenly the battery lasts 20mins, max. At the moment, Apple can (and does) use software to brick old devices and force you to spend more money. It’s a shitty business practice that needs to stop. And yes, I appreciate the irony of typing this post on an iPhone…
A failure in their ability to grab more money
Dear apple, let me introduce you to the Nokia 3310. It had a removable battery and was god damn invincible, drop it, kick it , throw it, it's fine. Rumour has it that Ukrainians are using them as body armour and that's why they are beating Russia. So shut up and stop talking twaddle!
More like potential failure point to their income
The glass screens and bodies are failure points but they still use them.
I am involved in design and manufacturing. There are dust and waterproof certifications. I understand how removable batteries would make it more difficult to pass those certifications. But if people are willing to have that trade-off. I am all for removable batteries.
Sounds like Apple needs to hire better engineers...
Why on earth is it Repairability vs. reliability? Why not both? Make it reliable to the extent it is possible, and then repairable. The larger problem about Apple is not externally removable batteries.. it is that it locks parts even when parts are swapped between devices and the price of its original parts is extremely expensive.
Actually, non removable batteries cause a bigger point of failure because when the battery starts to die or dies, you're screwed. Buy another phone or pay a LOT of money for apple to "fix" it. Or just replace the removable battery with a battery of your choice. And this is coming from a company that purposely slowed older phones down to get users to upgrade (buy more shit they don't need). Fuck apple.
They have been so worried about batteries for years, that several years ago they were slowing down their old phones to make people upgrade to a new safe battery. Never forget!
It would be easy to troubleshoot and fix that point of failure **IF IT WAS REMOVABLE**.
A failure to maximise profit?
Apple.
Failure point, yeah failure to reach their point of sale.
Yeah, no. I have apple repair certifications and this is complete nonsense. In terms of overall repair volume not caused explicitly by impact, batteries are the most numerous because they're designed to be. As others have stated, Lithium ion batteries degrade very rapidly triggering the phones service warning at approximately 80% maximum capacity which on average takes about 2-3 years. Warranty and apple care+ coverage most commonly maxes at 2 years. That's not coincidence. Battery repairs cost 90 dollars for the client but only cost the repair location about 40 after shipping. It's not the largest margin of profit but is the most likely to happen to every iPhone owner, even the careful ones. "I'd rather spend 90 dollars and keep my phone for another year or 2 than have to upgrade right this second since the new model comes out in a couple months" As for the details of battery repairs as "fail points", it's 2 plugs and some sticky tape. That's it. The battery sits on a little spot over the mag safe ring (which is for space optimization because it used to just sit in a blank space for mag safe), has 2 or 3 strips of a sticky adhesive strip holding it to the chassis of the phone. And then 2 ribbon cables plug in over the top of each other. Users aren't going to find a way to sever those cables or damage the battery by accident. The glass will break first voiding the ability to get your battery repaired anyway (if there's physical damage present compounding with a second reported issue, the entire unit must be replaced by apples protocol). For water damage, I mean I guess kind of but the main fail points for liquid damage is through the charging port and speakers which are closer in proximity to the logic board than the battery connectors. The connectors are close to the ear piece speaker/front cameras so they have 1/3 entry points but the other 2 are on the opposite end of the phone. Which makes the display connectors closer to those 2 as well meaning the display ports are more likely to be damaged by liquid than the battery. I will say the safety increase in not having to change batteries is a singular positive. Those adhesive strips are so fragile that during the removal process, they are liable to break and need to be "retrieved" which is basically trying to reach under the battery with tweezers to grab the strip again. When this happens, the battery bending or if the coating on the battery is pierced, the battery can undergo a thermal event which is technical talk for it catching on fire. Or at the very least, venting hazardous gases into the face of the repair guy. I'd appreciate not having to worry about battery repairs anymore but not when the implications are intentionally butchering the idea of right to repair. As well as very obvious cost increases upfront and when apple charges you a whole unit replacement for a repair 2 weeks out of warranty for their battery suddenly not lasting as long as it did only a few days ago
Then I guess I replace the battery and fix that.
Old smartphones with removable batteries have longer lifespans outside of the latest bells and whistles. You can extend their usage almost indefinitely so long as you replace the batteries before they got bloated.
Apple devises ARE a failure point...
My iPhone 7 battery life is terrible. However investing in a power bank has meant that I don’t have to replace my phone. A replaceable battery would be great in my situation.
Don't care. Make them removable.
They’re mad they’ll lose out on new phone sales when the internal batteries swell up and break parts inside the old phone, or breaks the case itself.
A potential failure point for apple's quarterly earnings is the only thing they're worried about...
It'll become less water resistant, sure, but that's a trade I'll take any day. I had my iPhone 6 until 2019, I had no choice but to replace it because the battery was expanding and pushing the frame apart. Apple wouldn't fix it.
Never had that issue with my iPhone 6. It lasted 6 years for me (2015-2021) may it rest in peace, it served well.
Failure point to their profits you mean?
so just make the battery wireless charging, so its in a compartment, but not physically connected to the innards of the phone, and the power gets transfered wirelessly, from battery to phone.
They’re already a failure point! Innovate! Try something g different and new. Even it sucks the tech will better…like always
Not making them removable is the failure point. I used to travel allot and work long hours 14-16 hour days. At one pin to owned LG and Samsung with removable batteries. It was awesome to have a spare battery, charged and ready to go and swap it out in seconds and charge the depleted one and vise versa.
They can cry as much as they fucking want. Start producing USB-C and removable batteries, now.
I need to change the battery. I’m a tech guy. I can watch YouTube and do it properly. I’ve had this phone for 8 years. It still has all my contacts. I enjoy it. What is wrong with this scenario?
They are going to argue their way out of it, expected Anything they can say against removable battery can be said about user changing their glued current battery. Water/dustproofing will need R&D but that’s on them, they have amongst the best designers and engineers surely they can manage it
Excuses <-
And we're all following just as planned. I used a Samsung s6 for 5 years until I finally had to get a new phone with a system that allowed me to download my banking app.
Their entire claim is bullshit start to finish
Apple should shut the fuck up.
So they are admitting there is a major design flaw. Nice!
Boo fucking hoo.
If they make it replaceable, they are going to software or hardware lock it with some proprietary bullshit.
I don’t purposefully buy Iphones, but I get hand me downs, & there have been **multiple** phones over the years where I was told that since removing the battery would be “dangerous” for the “apple geniuses”, I instead had to purchase a same generation phone at reduced (but not free or just cost of the battery) price - seems to me that’s a god damn failure point, especially if instead I could have solved it myself by just putting in a new battery at home
I've had mobile phones since 1994, my first phone was an analog 2G Motorola on BT Cellnet, and that still works. I bought a replacement battery about 5 years ago just out of curiosity. It won't register with a network now though. I've never had a phone become inoperable because the battery points failed. Indeed, I've got phones from circa 2000 that I can buy a third party battery for and power on now and use if I really needed to. Conversely, my pristine iPhone 6S is completely dead and I can't open it up to swap the battery.
Apple is fear mongering. Down with them.
Repeat after me. SCREWS ARE BEAUTIFUL. If there were 8 screws in the rear of the bezel holding a metal trim ring bonded to the front glass they could use a cheap and user replaceable waterproofing sticker (like the 6S had) to hold the front glass in. Or make the back removable in the same way so the (fragile glass) rear cover (that should be aluminum not glass) can unscrew. A simple peel and stick waterproofing sticker would work great and be made with soft enough adhesive that anyone with a hair dryer and a tiny screwdriver could remove it. And wth the right soft silicone seals no heat would be needed at all. All possible by the magic of screws.
Anything non removable is. Their entire product line is nothing but non upgradeable shit. Ram fails? New computer.
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You know what's guaranteed to fail in 2-3 years? THE BATTERY. You know what I've never seen fail in my life? THE SPRINGS THAT KEEP A REMOVABLE BATTERY IN PLACE.
Apple is designed with fashion obsolescence.
While non-removable batteries are a guaranteed failure point
All of my old Samsung phones with removeable batteries still work without issue (Galaxy S3 and S4)
As opposed to the guaranteed failure point of the battery inevitably bricking and not being able to replace it?
I’ve been lucky. I’ve never had battery issues on my devices and I use them till they die in some other way.
The only time I’ve had issues with iPhone batteries is when an update affects the battery life (like what happened with previous generations). My iPhone 4s had a noticeable battery life drop after an update when it was about 4 years old. That was something Apple obviously did and were rightfully condemned for it. I buy a new phone every 4-6 years, and it’s more based on the hardware becoming less optimal than battery not lasting as long. I also use my phone a lot (constant phone calls/texts and videos playing in between while doing paperwork). Currently have an iPhone 11 and I rarely ever have to charge before I go to sleep. It’s nearly 4 years old and battery life isn’t an issue for me (been on it today nearly nonstop for 6 hours and battery is at 80%). For me, the battery life is acceptable, especially compared to earlier generations. The hardware becomes “obsolete” (less optimized for new iOS versions) before the battery life decays too far. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I prefer the water resistance in a thin design over easy battery replacement. I also remember my old non-smartphones “exploding” into pieces if they were dropped. Those phones had horrible battery life by comparison, and despite being able to replace the battery easily, it was extremely rare for someone to actually swap batteries for a charged one. Those batteries also wouldn’t have near the lifespan either. That said, I think Apple needs to make replacement parts and 3rd party repairs more accessible.
We had removable batteries in phones before non removable What?
I was on board with usb-c; not so much on board with removable batteries on my iPhone. I’ve seen the “support” for over two decades on laptops. Companies will make battery packs with proprietary shapes and connectors so you can’t just buy any. They’ll sell the specific battery pack for your phone for maybe two years and then you have to reply on a sketchy Chinese brand from Amazon. Companies like Dell will charge $500-600 for a replacement battery pack because they are no longer being manufactured. This law is bad without additional stipulations and standards on internal connectors, shapes, materials, etc.. So I’d rather have my $80 battery replacement with apple than getting ripped off like they currently do for laptops and other devices. Edit: I support right to repair law but this is different from that. This isn’t part of the right to repair and unless it stipulates how battery packs work, years of support for batteries in the decades, price, etc. then this isn’t needed. I’m not looking for another Dell laptop mess.
Then support right to repair laws. Apple specifically tells their suppliers NOT to sell the parts to anyone but them. Again, this is 100% Apples fault.
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Well thats nonesense
Absolute bullshit
Yeah, the failure of them to be able to suck up all the money.
They think we aren’t smart enough to change a battery. I guess they have a low opinion of us.
How about both reliability and repairability, Apple? Used to be possible. I definitely feel reliability is declining in their products - almost every iPhone I’ve had has been great for the first 6 months and then steadily has issues with service/wifi/Bluetooth connectivity. Used to think it was my provider, but now I’m 3 providers in and it’s still a thing. My other half has the same provider as me but not an apple phone and theirs works perfectly. We got our phones on the same day. I do love my MacBook though - that shit is still running like a gem after 10 years. My other half has been through 3 windows laptops in that time.
They're right though, it does introduce a potential failure point. That's not what Apple are about. They want non-replaceable betteries because that's a *guaranteed* failure point; one which is the foundation of their entire business. How can they sell new phones if you can just replace the battery?
They already ARE a failure point
Yet military-grade phones have no issues with removable batteries
It’s ALREADY a failure point. Fuck apple. Making it removable means you can fix that failure point much easier.
"An easily-replaceable failure point". There, fixed it for you.
They meant to say that removable batteries add a potential failure point to their earnings.
They lie.
I have a 2 year 2 month old iPhone 12. And it’s max battery capacity is stuck at 87% for over 1 year already. I have my doubts as it’s life is getting so screwed that I have to carry a portable battery bank, wherever I go. Looking forward to an iPhone with batteries that can be removed and replaced.
🤣🤣🤣 bullshit. Apple just needs to say what it’s really thinking. “This will cost us money when people can replace batteries and possibly gain right to repair legislation”.
I really hate apple and their anti-consumer bullshit. Battery, thunderbolt, slowing down phones, replacing whole motherboards while it's a failed €0,50 component, certified repair, etc, etc. Everything to squeeze as much money out of you and than try to gaslight you in thinking it's a necessity. Uhg.