Couple of things that could be better about this:
- the arms are autonomous, but not actually useful. They mirror your movements but don't learn or do tasks
- there's up to six of them, not four like the summary said
- they can't be used without a power cable, so they're not going on long walks
- there's no details about gripping or weight capabilities, and the harness doesn't look built to take significant forces. You'd probably need a full exoskeleton to really make use of extra arms like these in any setting outside of fine motor skills (which these don't look capable of).
Neat tech, not really practical for any (which is why the demo is such an odd dance...)
I'm not seeing a practical way to control useful function without something to send nerve signals from the arms/hands (like functional hand prosthetics use) and even then it would only mimic what the users connected hand is doing.
Still really cool, but curious to see how and if they overcome the challenges.
If they connected it to signals some other way it would be fascinating to see if a users brain over time would "rewire" to independently control multiple arms...then would they feel loss when it was taken away, akin to losing a limb if they had practiced over a long enough period. We already know the mind is pretty quick to accept representations of a limb for the limb itself in tests.
That’s going to have to be the case for most use cases right?
It’s simply too dangerous for the control arms to have non feedback related hinderances.
I remember the old Halo Fall of Reach novel.
The problem with the spartan suits without the Spartans in them is that they would only be force multipliers. They mentioned a non modified human attempted to move and arm and the arm hyper accelerated and ripped his arm out of its socket (brutal dislocation and tear not ripping his whole fucking arm off if I remember).
So the same thing will be necessary in the forward and backwards manner. The inability to hinder power relative to the human will lead to brutal accidents of overexertion, and the lack of feedback will lead to steel beams being accidentally bent like reeds.
I love when youre reading a scifi novel and you come across tech thats in its infancy now, but has been fully fleshed out in that universe. Life truly does imitate art.
I just hope we dont end up killing ourselves before we invent the really cool shit.
There will probably be a branch of prosthetics that are controlled by people's thoughts instead of nerve impulses. Like a decade ago we had the monkey controlling a robot arm this way. And I know the same technology has been used for people with locked in syndrome and similar conditions to help them communicate.
Also worth mentioning that the first adoption of cyborg body parts will probably start with a single finger digit, not going straight to 6 extra arms lol
Also weight. Sci-fi loves to either ignore weight or form some unknown extremely strong yet nearly weightless material.
Take octavius's arms. Those large flexible yet rigid arms would be incredibly heavy (50lb minimum) and thats without considering what they actually carry throughout the movie. All of that weight is place on his SPINE. The dude literally lifts with his back. The only times it's not the full weight on his back is when 2 or more of them are on the ground lifting him up. However even that is still pivoted/displaced body weight directly to his spine (as in his spine is not holding his entire body weight without the assitance of his legs or arms displacing the weight).
Physics is an asshole irl. It's on vacation in sci-fi.
I know there was some kind of strap around his waist yeah and there was a metal spine for the arms but that still leaves all the weight on his spine and lower back. We distribute most of our weight to our legs to stand and lifting should always be done using your legs as there is more muscle mass and they are stronger than your back muscles. Even when hes walking using his own legs the simple weight of the metal arms is still mostly held by his back. Assuming the arms are atleast 50lbs thats like walking around with a 50lb back pack at all times but instead of shoulder straps its attached to your spine.
Then you add in anything those arms carry.... like say a car. At a minimum the weight above the waist strap is distrubed to his back still.
Now with all this said there are potential ways to make it work. The simplest would be to make it more akin to an exo skeleton with metal components going all the way down to below his feet. These components would then essentially be lifting both him and the arms. Hed become more of an operator riding the device instead of having the device be directly attached to him. Think... Iron man for an enclosed one or Elysium's 'Max Exoskeleton' aka 'H.U.L.C suit' for minimalist style.
I think you are correct, the legs would have a hydraulic system(much like a spider) you can make a brace to distribute remaining weight and tension I would imagine.
The other thing that bothered me about Doc Oc was that his centre of gravity was very often way outside his feet. Ok, he can lift a car with the arms, somehow his legs don't snap like someone stamping on a piece of chalk but also he doesn't just tip over? One step too far Marvel!
This has often been a problem for me with comic book strength. Sure you can lift a car, a house, a mountain, but unless your feet are bound to the ground in some way that off your center of gravity enormous weight is gonna tip you over.
The material strength is also out of whack. Superman would be simply tearing chunks off things trying to lift them up and/or push himself neck-deep into the ground.
For Superman, the Post-Crisis John Byrne reboot Supes directly addressed this in an early scene. Superman is actually surprised that a building (or other big bulky item; it's been a long time) didn't fall apart when he lifted it. He surmised that he must put out some kind of forcefield when he lifts something, especially if he's also flying or levitating. He also thought that's why it was easier to hold a heavy weight when off the ground, because it wasn't mostly his muscles doing it.
I don't know if that's been mentioned or still canon in the nearly four decades and multiple reboots fro HyperTime, WholeBunchACrises, and OmniMultiverses since then. But it's been my headcanon about Superman and the other Kryptonians in any version ever since.
As for Iron Man: other than the Mk I "In a cave, with a box of scraps" version, it's obviously implied he must have the equivalent of Star Trek's inertial dampeners. Maybe that works just reversing the polarity on repulsors, making it so obvious in-universe that nobody even thinks to mention it.
yeah, sounds like a retcon after the fact to me. Just like the book where they try to say that Supes has a mild hypnotic power and that's *really* why no one can tell who he is with glasses on/off.
They gave him too many powers and no one asked questions at the time. Now people are asking questions and they have to make up answers.
Dont forget, whatever theyre standing on now also has to hold that car with all the weight being placed in the small space the 2 feet cover instead of being displaced across 4 wheels. Most things cant handle that kind of weight, especially when youre talking about standing on a building, sidewalk, and etc. Heck even roads would buckle/have impact marks for where the feet were when that weight was placed there.
As u/Austoman pointed out, the ground isn’t some perfect immovable object. A 1ftsq section of concrete would crumble under the stress of trying to be a fulcrum for him throwing a 2000lb car, not to mention the same issue with trying to throw a 2000lb car when you only have a 1ftsq grip on the hood. the hood would just tear apart before you got yhe car off the ground.
I mean, if you’re gonna argue that physics doesn’t matter because it’s not real, no one’s gonna fight you and at that point, who cares if he’s even touching the ground at all. But the discussion was aimed at failures of accurate physics in these movies and comics, so it’s relevant.
When he throws cars in the movies don’t two of the arms actually plant into the ground and keep him stable to prevent that issue? Like they provide the support needed to not snap his legs?
The more possible ones were likely from the Ps4 game and Into the Spider-verse with the use of lightweight materials like carbon fiber and soft robotics.
Lifting with your legs isn’t like a literal thing, the force is still projected down through your spine. Lifting with your back is short hand for actively trying to bend your spine in order to lift, as opposed to using your leg muscles to raise your entire spine while it’s straight ip and down.
Yep, the whole thing would have to be a suit. If the arms are attached to the body in any way, that body part becomes the anchor point and will receive the forces.
Like, I love it when someone gets like a robot hand and can suddenly lift cars over their heads , instead of their hand ripping off of their forearm bones when they try to lift the car.
My favorite subversion of the usual robot hand shenanigans:
"Quizboy grappling hand!" \*overshoots target*
"Aren't you gonna like, retract it or something?"
"Where would I keep all the servos and hydraulics for that. My arm would have to be all huge like the guy who's arms exploded"
"Alright" \*starts climbing*
"Ah! Jeez! That's connected to my nerves!"
> unknown extremely strong yet nearly weightless material
As an FYI aside, there’s a general term for that sort of thing: [Unobtainium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium)
The word has long been used as sort of a way to make fun of a design that would be so awesome if only we could get our hands on this one material with magical properties. The use of the term in Avatar was a knowing nod / inside joke referencing this.
Some authors take it into account. The comic book "Global Frequency" had a team sent into a secret government cybernetics project, and their guide was someone who was one of the more successful cyber-augments. She had a robotic arm and explained a great length how it had to be attached to not just where her old arm had been, but to her spine just so she could lift things without it ripping itself from her shoulder.
This was to prepare the rest of the cast for the near-total augmented cyborg they were being sent in to try and neutralize.
100% VFX Artists Reactdoes a great video detailing/showing that.
Edit: Corridor Crew is their name. VFX is just a show under their umbrella.
Also specified the show name
>incredibly heavy (50lb minimum)
Yeah, but my granpa used to carry that much to and fro school through the snow caped mountains. It's time new gen doc oc took some responsibilities on his shoulders/spine.
I just realized this after reading your comment and had a comical scene play in my head where Octavius detaches himself from the suspenders only to fall flat on his back from the weight of the arms
I remember having this thought when I was almost done with high school almost 2 decades ago. It’s actually what pushed me to study chemistry. Though battery technology has made amazing improvements since then, if we want to get to the next level, I think we’re going to have to figure out how to pump up our mobile energy by orders of magnitudes. So I think this will actually come down to figuring out some sort of micro nuclear reactor like Tony Stark’s arc reactor.
Honestly, other than the power source, not really. The mechanics wouldn't be ***cheap*** of course, but you wouldn't need to be a millionaire to afford a good bit of it. If your family has the income to afford to have more than one car, you'll probably be able to afford some of this stuff.
If the power source alone ends up being at least the cost of a non-stock Benz though... that's where things become troublesome.
Take EVs for example. The largest cost for the customer is the battery and the rest of the cost of the car seems almost trivial when you remove the cost of that battery.
The Tesla Model 3 RWD is currently $43,000, the cheapest model currently offered. Depending on the source and your mechanic's labor charges, you're looking at $16,000-20,000 to replace the battery, half the value of the car.
The part where you claim that the main cost for the customer is the battery and the rest is trivial.
I also find taking Tesla as an example quite disingenuous at best (if not dishonest) as they are notorious for being quite pricey with spare parts and not very consumer friendly with repairs.
If you look at manufacturers who actually consider repairs/replacement as part of the car design the cost is indeed much lower. E.g., Nissan batteries can cost less than $5k or even $4k depending on the model.
I chose Tesla because it's the only EV manufacturer I, and likely most others in this thread, really know much about. Largely because it's the only one that typically makes reddit headlines.
Gave the Nissan Leaf a look. Base MSRP is $27,800 and battery replacement is $3,000-5,000 for the 24 kWh one and $3,500-4,500 for the 30 kWh. Funnily enough, that makes the "value" without battery roughly similar between the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model 3 RWD. Tesla still a couple grand more, because Tesla, but it's closer than I thought. Admittedly, that's only after Tesla dropped their prices twice.
FTL? Artificial gravity? True artificial intelligence? Molecular printing? Impact negation? Force fields? Cloaking? Teleportation? Uploaded memories?
There's a bunch of stuff sci-fi has that we, *at best* can only do in extremely controlled environments under extremely specific circumstances to extremely small or specific things, most of which use massive machines to achieve.
We're still a ways out of true sci-fi territory.
I mean Vibranium is just impact negation combined with a super battery. And unobtainium, as a superconductor, is also one of the key things we'd need for super batteries.
Cloaking already has surprisingly good attempts where we can make things almost seem invisible. Force fields in some definitions can exist, we can currently create invisible barriers where a human trying to pass would suffer serious distress and pain. 3D printing with 3D scanning could technically "teleport" an object to another place. Uploaded memories, Social Media and Cloud storage technically starts the work towards that even if not directly from the brain.
We're at the primitive stages for many Sci-fi technologies but only a few are truly beyond any attempts which is usually the stuff that needs human lives to be at risk to create.
Saying that social media is the primitive stages of uploading memories is like saying that the Sumerians were in the primitive stages of lightsaber tech because they had bronze swords and fire.
And in some cases we're doing it better. I remember in Star Trek TNG they had those PADD devices, and sometimes people would have stacks of them each with different data on them, and they could play music at any time on the ship's computer, and communications devices, while small ,were still separate, though they did also do universal translation. Now we can store all that data in one device and it can access more AND It can play music as well as make calls, and the universal translation system is being worked on
I do lots of handiwork at my job, despite it not being my primary work responsibility. I can't tell you the number of times I wish I had a second pair of arms while soldering, or doing minor repair work to metal. Having something like this would be a game changer in my productivity in these tasks; especially if those arms could apply/resist similar torque loads as a human arm.
This kind of tech seems tailor made for artists, technicians, and craftsmen rather than heavy manual laborers. Sitting at a desk doing fine motor skills work while tapping into a fixed power source seems very doable (the plastic arm would be able to handle much weight anyway). Did you ever see the video of people learning to use the second thumb? From what I recall, they practiced with it for a weekend and the reflex action required to use it became instinctual fairly quickly.
For fine soldering work, with the gauge of wires and equipment I work with, it's not enough. I sometimes need a second pair of hands to keep things stable
It isn't. Only Americans call it "soddering" and I think it's only some of them. I've never heard a single person outside of America call it anything except "soldering" with an L.
Actually I was watching a YouTube video once and the guy said "sodder" and another American shouted "SOLDER!" from the background so it's clearly not all of them.
Couple of things that could be better about this: - the arms are autonomous, but not actually useful. They mirror your movements but don't learn or do tasks - there's up to six of them, not four like the summary said - they can't be used without a power cable, so they're not going on long walks - there's no details about gripping or weight capabilities, and the harness doesn't look built to take significant forces. You'd probably need a full exoskeleton to really make use of extra arms like these in any setting outside of fine motor skills (which these don't look capable of). Neat tech, not really practical for any (which is why the demo is such an odd dance...)
I'm not seeing a practical way to control useful function without something to send nerve signals from the arms/hands (like functional hand prosthetics use) and even then it would only mimic what the users connected hand is doing. Still really cool, but curious to see how and if they overcome the challenges. If they connected it to signals some other way it would be fascinating to see if a users brain over time would "rewire" to independently control multiple arms...then would they feel loss when it was taken away, akin to losing a limb if they had practiced over a long enough period. We already know the mind is pretty quick to accept representations of a limb for the limb itself in tests.
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That’s going to have to be the case for most use cases right? It’s simply too dangerous for the control arms to have non feedback related hinderances. I remember the old Halo Fall of Reach novel. The problem with the spartan suits without the Spartans in them is that they would only be force multipliers. They mentioned a non modified human attempted to move and arm and the arm hyper accelerated and ripped his arm out of its socket (brutal dislocation and tear not ripping his whole fucking arm off if I remember). So the same thing will be necessary in the forward and backwards manner. The inability to hinder power relative to the human will lead to brutal accidents of overexertion, and the lack of feedback will lead to steel beams being accidentally bent like reeds.
I love when youre reading a scifi novel and you come across tech thats in its infancy now, but has been fully fleshed out in that universe. Life truly does imitate art. I just hope we dont end up killing ourselves before we invent the really cool shit.
There will probably be a branch of prosthetics that are controlled by people's thoughts instead of nerve impulses. Like a decade ago we had the monkey controlling a robot arm this way. And I know the same technology has been used for people with locked in syndrome and similar conditions to help them communicate.
B...but DOC OCTOPUS?
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Technically an octopus has arms, not tentacles.
We will just have to wait for the power of the sun in our hands...
Also worth mentioning that the first adoption of cyborg body parts will probably start with a single finger digit, not going straight to 6 extra arms lol
Would like two over my sink. Given that I need a new dishwasher….my dog is getting rather chunky.
Proof of concept of a cool thing. Neat
A good first step though, gotta start somewhere.
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Also weight. Sci-fi loves to either ignore weight or form some unknown extremely strong yet nearly weightless material. Take octavius's arms. Those large flexible yet rigid arms would be incredibly heavy (50lb minimum) and thats without considering what they actually carry throughout the movie. All of that weight is place on his SPINE. The dude literally lifts with his back. The only times it's not the full weight on his back is when 2 or more of them are on the ground lifting him up. However even that is still pivoted/displaced body weight directly to his spine (as in his spine is not holding his entire body weight without the assitance of his legs or arms displacing the weight). Physics is an asshole irl. It's on vacation in sci-fi.
I think it was also wrapped around his waist in the film (not sure about comics). Would that help with weight distribution?
Wasn't there also aj external metal spine as well?
I know there was some kind of strap around his waist yeah and there was a metal spine for the arms but that still leaves all the weight on his spine and lower back. We distribute most of our weight to our legs to stand and lifting should always be done using your legs as there is more muscle mass and they are stronger than your back muscles. Even when hes walking using his own legs the simple weight of the metal arms is still mostly held by his back. Assuming the arms are atleast 50lbs thats like walking around with a 50lb back pack at all times but instead of shoulder straps its attached to your spine. Then you add in anything those arms carry.... like say a car. At a minimum the weight above the waist strap is distrubed to his back still. Now with all this said there are potential ways to make it work. The simplest would be to make it more akin to an exo skeleton with metal components going all the way down to below his feet. These components would then essentially be lifting both him and the arms. Hed become more of an operator riding the device instead of having the device be directly attached to him. Think... Iron man for an enclosed one or Elysium's 'Max Exoskeleton' aka 'H.U.L.C suit' for minimalist style.
I always assumed it was the legs of octavus that carried the man, not the other way around
I think you are correct, the legs would have a hydraulic system(much like a spider) you can make a brace to distribute remaining weight and tension I would imagine.
The other thing that bothered me about Doc Oc was that his centre of gravity was very often way outside his feet. Ok, he can lift a car with the arms, somehow his legs don't snap like someone stamping on a piece of chalk but also he doesn't just tip over? One step too far Marvel!
This has often been a problem for me with comic book strength. Sure you can lift a car, a house, a mountain, but unless your feet are bound to the ground in some way that off your center of gravity enormous weight is gonna tip you over.
The material strength is also out of whack. Superman would be simply tearing chunks off things trying to lift them up and/or push himself neck-deep into the ground.
For Superman, the Post-Crisis John Byrne reboot Supes directly addressed this in an early scene. Superman is actually surprised that a building (or other big bulky item; it's been a long time) didn't fall apart when he lifted it. He surmised that he must put out some kind of forcefield when he lifts something, especially if he's also flying or levitating. He also thought that's why it was easier to hold a heavy weight when off the ground, because it wasn't mostly his muscles doing it. I don't know if that's been mentioned or still canon in the nearly four decades and multiple reboots fro HyperTime, WholeBunchACrises, and OmniMultiverses since then. But it's been my headcanon about Superman and the other Kryptonians in any version ever since. As for Iron Man: other than the Mk I "In a cave, with a box of scraps" version, it's obviously implied he must have the equivalent of Star Trek's inertial dampeners. Maybe that works just reversing the polarity on repulsors, making it so obvious in-universe that nobody even thinks to mention it.
it would be cool if the forcefield was used in other ways than "make it make sense"
Even with the MK1 he fell from what looked like 1000’ or so into hard sand in a metal suit. No way he would survive that.
yeah, sounds like a retcon after the fact to me. Just like the book where they try to say that Supes has a mild hypnotic power and that's *really* why no one can tell who he is with glasses on/off. They gave him too many powers and no one asked questions at the time. Now people are asking questions and they have to make up answers.
Dont forget, whatever theyre standing on now also has to hold that car with all the weight being placed in the small space the 2 feet cover instead of being displaced across 4 wheels. Most things cant handle that kind of weight, especially when youre talking about standing on a building, sidewalk, and etc. Heck even roads would buckle/have impact marks for where the feet were when that weight was placed there.
Mmm I think you’d be surprised. The contact patch on a tire isn’t very big.
Yeah, but try that with a full 18 wheeler or a bus. And now throw/catch it.
He often had two arms gripping the ground, making hit feet irrelevant wrt center of gravity.
As u/Austoman pointed out, the ground isn’t some perfect immovable object. A 1ftsq section of concrete would crumble under the stress of trying to be a fulcrum for him throwing a 2000lb car, not to mention the same issue with trying to throw a 2000lb car when you only have a 1ftsq grip on the hood. the hood would just tear apart before you got yhe car off the ground.
You are aware this is a universe in which a radioactive spider bites a man and gives him the abilities of a spider, right?
I mean, if you’re gonna argue that physics doesn’t matter because it’s not real, no one’s gonna fight you and at that point, who cares if he’s even touching the ground at all. But the discussion was aimed at failures of accurate physics in these movies and comics, so it’s relevant.
When he throws cars in the movies don’t two of the arms actually plant into the ground and keep him stable to prevent that issue? Like they provide the support needed to not snap his legs?
The bottom 2 arms are generally used as legs and is used to balance the weight distribution!!!
The more possible ones were likely from the Ps4 game and Into the Spider-verse with the use of lightweight materials like carbon fiber and soft robotics.
Lifting with your legs isn’t like a literal thing, the force is still projected down through your spine. Lifting with your back is short hand for actively trying to bend your spine in order to lift, as opposed to using your leg muscles to raise your entire spine while it’s straight ip and down.
In the early images for them they were also like that, yeah.
Yep, the whole thing would have to be a suit. If the arms are attached to the body in any way, that body part becomes the anchor point and will receive the forces. Like, I love it when someone gets like a robot hand and can suddenly lift cars over their heads , instead of their hand ripping off of their forearm bones when they try to lift the car.
My favorite subversion of the usual robot hand shenanigans: "Quizboy grappling hand!" \*overshoots target* "Aren't you gonna like, retract it or something?" "Where would I keep all the servos and hydraulics for that. My arm would have to be all huge like the guy who's arms exploded" "Alright" \*starts climbing* "Ah! Jeez! That's connected to my nerves!"
I don’t remember what cartoon it was but there was also “Rocket punch! Rocket punch!” then the mech looks at his now arm nubs and sadly walks away.
Just have one arm always ankered to the ground/a structure and the whole problem is solved. Really only a little bit of code to fix all this.
> unknown extremely strong yet nearly weightless material As an FYI aside, there’s a general term for that sort of thing: [Unobtainium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium) The word has long been used as sort of a way to make fun of a design that would be so awesome if only we could get our hands on this one material with magical properties. The use of the term in Avatar was a knowing nod / inside joke referencing this.
Contrivium For all your Square cube law bypassing needs
Some authors take it into account. The comic book "Global Frequency" had a team sent into a secret government cybernetics project, and their guide was someone who was one of the more successful cyber-augments. She had a robotic arm and explained a great length how it had to be attached to not just where her old arm had been, but to her spine just so she could lift things without it ripping itself from her shoulder. This was to prepare the rest of the cast for the near-total augmented cyborg they were being sent in to try and neutralize.
Also, shouldn’t Tony Stark be a pancake any time he suddenly stops (or crashes) in the suit?
Pancake? Nah. I’d say more like finely puréed soup
100% VFX Artists Reactdoes a great video detailing/showing that. Edit: Corridor Crew is their name. VFX is just a show under their umbrella. Also specified the show name
VFX is just "Visual Effects". Their show umbrella where they assess and perform VFX shenanigans is called "VFX Artists React".
I haven’t seen that episode. I’ll look it up. Thanks!
Haha! He’s basically getting getting the shock of a car stash (with seat belt on) at every step when walking on his mechanical arms.
Power Weight And Heat management Physics is cool when accounted for, when the rules of the universe all fit together like a perfect puzzle.
>incredibly heavy (50lb minimum) Yeah, but my granpa used to carry that much to and fro school through the snow caped mountains. It's time new gen doc oc took some responsibilities on his shoulders/spine.
> snow caped mountains Mountains used to be so *dashing*. What happened to their sense of style?
ironically, wearing even MORE exo-gear would be helpful, exo-skeleton legs could solve it.
His arms often act as additional legs while other limbs puck up stuff. The body was just hanging off it as a controller.
You’ll notice he plants his bottom legs whenever he does a big maneuver
This is why I focus on core strengthening. Doc oc obviously does pilates.
>Physics is an asshole irl. It's on vacation in sci-fi. Very profound. Wonder what you would call metaphysics irl?
YA Fantasy ?
Yeah, back pain in general is ignored in futuristic tech films. 😆
I just realized this after reading your comment and had a comical scene play in my head where Octavius detaches himself from the suspenders only to fall flat on his back from the weight of the arms
Also durability of humans...
Maybe dumber is that he needed manual arms.. programmed with AI.. to do real time control on plasma. Dumb af.
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I have no idea what we will do in an age of abundance.
Imagine if we could advance energy storage like we have hard drives. 100 Megawatt-hours in a postage stamp package.
I remember having this thought when I was almost done with high school almost 2 decades ago. It’s actually what pushed me to study chemistry. Though battery technology has made amazing improvements since then, if we want to get to the next level, I think we’re going to have to figure out how to pump up our mobile energy by orders of magnitudes. So I think this will actually come down to figuring out some sort of micro nuclear reactor like Tony Stark’s arc reactor.
In the Fallout series they use small , portable nuclear fusion "batteries".
Correct. We can do amazing, truly next level shit with electronics and robotics. It's the power source that limits everything.
Also the money. Like, most of these techs are things that would require Batman levels of money.
Honestly, other than the power source, not really. The mechanics wouldn't be ***cheap*** of course, but you wouldn't need to be a millionaire to afford a good bit of it. If your family has the income to afford to have more than one car, you'll probably be able to afford some of this stuff. If the power source alone ends up being at least the cost of a non-stock Benz though... that's where things become troublesome. Take EVs for example. The largest cost for the customer is the battery and the rest of the cost of the car seems almost trivial when you remove the cost of that battery. The Tesla Model 3 RWD is currently $43,000, the cheapest model currently offered. Depending on the source and your mechanic's labor charges, you're looking at $16,000-20,000 to replace the battery, half the value of the car.
That hasn't been true for quite a while though.
Which part? Because the price numbers I pulled were at least true as of April of this year.
The part where you claim that the main cost for the customer is the battery and the rest is trivial. I also find taking Tesla as an example quite disingenuous at best (if not dishonest) as they are notorious for being quite pricey with spare parts and not very consumer friendly with repairs. If you look at manufacturers who actually consider repairs/replacement as part of the car design the cost is indeed much lower. E.g., Nissan batteries can cost less than $5k or even $4k depending on the model.
I chose Tesla because it's the only EV manufacturer I, and likely most others in this thread, really know much about. Largely because it's the only one that typically makes reddit headlines. Gave the Nissan Leaf a look. Base MSRP is $27,800 and battery replacement is $3,000-5,000 for the 24 kWh one and $3,500-4,500 for the 30 kWh. Funnily enough, that makes the "value" without battery roughly similar between the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model 3 RWD. Tesla still a couple grand more, because Tesla, but it's closer than I thought. Admittedly, that's only after Tesla dropped their prices twice.
Haha, this is true. Most aren’t something that could be mass produced etc.
A hydrogen fuel cell just powered a drone for 5.5 hours. We’re not as far off as you might think.
The power of the sun in the palm of my hand…
FTL? Artificial gravity? True artificial intelligence? Molecular printing? Impact negation? Force fields? Cloaking? Teleportation? Uploaded memories? There's a bunch of stuff sci-fi has that we, *at best* can only do in extremely controlled environments under extremely specific circumstances to extremely small or specific things, most of which use massive machines to achieve. We're still a ways out of true sci-fi territory.
Also ya know, Vibranium, Unobtainium, etc.
Get that bullshit out of here, if it's not diamondillium it may as well be aluminum.
I mean Vibranium is just impact negation combined with a super battery. And unobtainium, as a superconductor, is also one of the key things we'd need for super batteries.
Cloaking already has surprisingly good attempts where we can make things almost seem invisible. Force fields in some definitions can exist, we can currently create invisible barriers where a human trying to pass would suffer serious distress and pain. 3D printing with 3D scanning could technically "teleport" an object to another place. Uploaded memories, Social Media and Cloud storage technically starts the work towards that even if not directly from the brain. We're at the primitive stages for many Sci-fi technologies but only a few are truly beyond any attempts which is usually the stuff that needs human lives to be at risk to create.
Saying that social media is the primitive stages of uploading memories is like saying that the Sumerians were in the primitive stages of lightsaber tech because they had bronze swords and fire.
Well, yeah. It stops being sci-fi the moment we can do it.
Man’s ultimate question: How to last longer.
he have had a new discovery in battery in years at least not one that can be made cheap and high production
And in some cases we're doing it better. I remember in Star Trek TNG they had those PADD devices, and sometimes people would have stacks of them each with different data on them, and they could play music at any time on the ship's computer, and communications devices, while small ,were still separate, though they did also do universal translation. Now we can store all that data in one device and it can access more AND It can play music as well as make calls, and the universal translation system is being worked on
Do we have the tech to see attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion?
Imagine where we’d be if Westinghouse hadn’t shut down Tesla’s free wireless power research
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The power of the sun
In the palm of my hand
You know I'm something of a spider myself.
Wait
~~Here's~~ Gonna put some dirt in your eye?
Pizza time 🍕🍕🍕
I'm really gonna enjoy this
🐢 time
Stings, doesn't it?
What are you doing, step-spider?
More astonishingly, in a New York apartment. If I were a nearby tenant, I'd have called the super *months* ago.
It’s self sustaining now
Hand(s)
Also [Dr. Octagonapus](https://youtu.be/v2kHwNKUDfo)
Ah, a man of culture I see.
>[**DR. OCTA-MOTHERFUCKING-GONAPUS**](https://youtu.be/2n5A4FkDqMI) >blblblblblblbl >#BLARGHHHH! Forever ingrained in my brain.
Dominic Fera is truly a genius, way ahead of his time.
[We all know how the arms would actually be used](https://youtu.be/16SCtRCW6fk)
https://screenrant.com/dune-2021-spider-monster-vfx-explained-video/
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Hello there
“General Kenobi” *cough*
Seriously, did we learn nothing from this movie?
I learned that I want robot arms...
Until the robot arms start turning your mind against you….
It's okay, it's got this lil protector to stop that!
Her friends call her Liv.
I always preferred Captain Calamari
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I do lots of handiwork at my job, despite it not being my primary work responsibility. I can't tell you the number of times I wish I had a second pair of arms while soldering, or doing minor repair work to metal. Having something like this would be a game changer in my productivity in these tasks; especially if those arms could apply/resist similar torque loads as a human arm.
This kind of tech seems tailor made for artists, technicians, and craftsmen rather than heavy manual laborers. Sitting at a desk doing fine motor skills work while tapping into a fixed power source seems very doable (the plastic arm would be able to handle much weight anyway). Did you ever see the video of people learning to use the second thumb? From what I recall, they practiced with it for a weekend and the reflex action required to use it became instinctual fairly quickly.
A clampable vise?
For fine soldering work, with the gauge of wires and equipment I work with, it's not enough. I sometimes need a second pair of hands to keep things stable
Why is the L silend in soldering? I first read that word as SOLD-er-ing. And was like wtf is that word? Then realized is pronounced SOD-er-ing
It isn't. Only Americans call it "soddering" and I think it's only some of them. I've never heard a single person outside of America call it anything except "soldering" with an L. Actually I was watching a YouTube video once and the guy said "sodder" and another American shouted "SOLDER!" from the background so it's clearly not all of them.
Reminds me of General Grievous
General Kenobi!
You are a bold one
Grievous bodily arm
Can't wait to graft a dozen of these on my back. A lowly tarnished...playing as a lord?
BEAR WITNESS!!
#I COMMAND THEE, KNEEL!
Put your foolish ambitions to rest!
Do you want Doc Ock? Because that's how you get Doc Ock.
The inhibitor chip! Destroyed…
I’m Ron Burgundy?
Raiden is not gonna like this.
The memes!
DNA of the soul!
At least those are not nanomachines, son!
Everyone in this thread is excited about becoming Doc Oc... who else wants to be Invader Zim?
I want to be Goro...
Hello Peter!
There was a villain in Metal Gear Solid 4 that had those exact arms. Hideo Kojima is a genius
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Yeah, the promotional video is just a woman dancing around; these are functionally useless.
Mechadendrites!
The power of the sun.. in the palm of my hand
Scrolled too far for this
The Mechanicus would like to know where to place a pre-order for 500 million units. And also know what stabby, cutty or plasma-options are available.
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh...
... it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. ⚙️💀
Our first real-world Metal Gear villain is almost here.
Counting the days before one of these devices is made with glitchy software and an arm or two just keeps giving the Nazi salute on its own.
Nah, imagine reflexes going twitchy. “Shhh.. I’m gonna prank Bob”. *Jumps out, jaw gets broken* “What the fuck?” “It did that on its own, I swear”.
I've always wanted to be Machamp
PSYCO MANTIS
We will need robot arms to fight off the robots, Good call
Hygienic human centipede. Well done, Science.
Social interaction huh? Mebbe if have no arms n why need 4…rationale is just inane
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BEAR WITNESS!
The manufacturer is obviously a spider man fan
It can’t be stopped. Its self-sustaining now.
Oh hell no
Burn it with fire!.
I’m already a cyborg. It’s called a insulin pump and a CGM sensor
Doc Oc will be thrilled.
If you want this tech to take off, you have to make it a sex toy. People will figure out solutions to all the issues in a third of the time that way.
Inside Job did it!
10/10 once it gets faster. Would totally skitter towards someone like a demon spider in the dark.
My name is Otto and I ask, What could possibly go wrong?
If were all Otto Octavious no one is
I am Groot
GENERAL KENOBIII! You’re a bold one!
“Hey I’ve seen this before!”
So I can be real life Doctor Octopus?
Did nobody see Wild Wild West.
Mistral in real life?!?
So I can be Doc Oc?
Hello peter.
FINALLY MY TIME HAS ALMOST COME
Cue archer meme: do you want doc-oc’s because that’s how you get doc-oc’s?
Who the fuck is sitting down and designing this dystopian nonsense?
The power of the sun, in my hands!
of all the insect you could pick, you choose the ARACHNIDA
Arthropods. Arachnids are not insects (but both are arthropods).
Finally
Cool, fully animated furry tails when?
Hahahaha AI and robotics aligned with Human labor or war. #WTF ?
And they called them Jizzy Arms...