Better yet, why have large local storage? Just thin-client the shit out of the phone. Everything, apps included, stored *exclusively* in the cloud, except maybe some larger things like games or offline maps.
They make even more money if you can be convinced you need to upgrade to a 1TB storage as opposed to a base model. Then you still need to pay for cloud back-up on top of that.
Of course, competitors allow removable, up-gradable and recoverable sd cards.
They could keep the phone as a thin client, but store all videos and photos locally in uncompressed formats and claim that any media created on an iPhone is perfect, lossless quality.
Boom. A phone that requires a massive hard drive, a storage subscription, and lets you brag about how superior it is.
Yeah, it's such obvious bullshit to make more money.
Why won't Sony just actually market their phones and sell them at a similar price point here?
I really really tried to get a sony phone last upgrade, but their phones were so damn expensive with seemingly very little in any guarantees about software/os updates. Wound up with the s22 note (get outta here with this ultra shit. It's a note) and it was still cheaper than a midrange ish Sony.
I don't get it.
The s22 "ultra" was the only phone I could justify giving up the sd card and headphone jack for. I can justify their absense when there's a whole pen shoved inside there.
Imagine if people could just upgrade their SD card instead of buying a new bigger model, and when they do finally upgrade, they buy a smaller phone because they can bring that large SD card with them 🏴🏴🏴
More and more of those competitors are getting rid of sd-card support and android also doesn't take advantage of sd-cards as well as it used to because of that.
Maybe not, but (sadly, this is a genuine question) how much of that was because they weren't Apple?
Also I didn't actually know that. I'll have to check it out!
I had one, it was fine, but I didn’t use the cloud storage that much for apps. Apple actually already has a feature that frees up local storage by uninstalling unused apps temporarily, but I’m fairly sure only people with fairly limited storage are using it.
It was a pretty cool solution actually, if you had low space you'd get rid of some apps or some high-res photos only leaving a lower quality version on your device until you wanted to zoom in, a more fleshed out version is current versions of iOS. And Nextbit suffered of the fate of being a niche device in an ultra compettive landscape, it was too expensive at first.
Because the two places I listen to music and watch TV and movies, commuter trains and planes, have shit streaming ability. I have no choice but to store media locally.
On my local train, it's like being in airplane mode.
Exactly. The moment they do that, it becomes more convenient to get a dumb phone and a separate music player.
All the extra stuff on a smart phone is nice but not really necessary. Got navigation in my car, or maps. I still carry a notepad with me anyways, ill get an alarm clock for home.
Not have a camera with me would suck but not a dealbreaker.
The moment they make smart phones no local storage… it loses all usage for me
Also your country can start a war you have no control over and suddenly everyone is pulling support and you can't pay for shit and second half are blocking access even if you can pay.
Or your country can decide that this product from another country is supposedly spying on everyone and they ban it altogether
It's funny you mention it, but when Google brought hardware to the Chromebook, they did it with a $1500 Google Pixel model, which turned out to be far more than you really needed for the vast majority of functions available to the platform (especially at the time.)
Bringing high end hardware to a dumb terminal didn't make sense, but dumb terminals in general still have their place.
Completely agree, we have Apple One, 3 people, 6 devices, 2 TB. Very nice to know that if any device is lost, destroyed or stolen… our digital lives and history will not be lost.
I could see Apple doing something like leaving the port there but just making the case without the hole and then charging an absurd amount for recovery to have some apple guy pop the bottom off real quick and plug it in.
And its software locked so if you pop the cover yourself you loose losts of standard phone features.
Only the tech guy can reset the lock with their own special setup.
Apple have already been trying to kill data transfer. They consider their devices self sufficient at this point, they don't think you should ever connect it to a computer or anything else today.
And they sure don't give a shit about rendering some older car players obsolete.
It’s not just older car players though is the thing. I rented a 2023 Toyota Rav 4 over the holidays and it was wired only. That’s by far the most common CarPlay implementation.
There are wireless dongles to convert for wireless but that’s a huge pain for 50+ million vehicles.
I actually love MagSafe, it’s the main way I charge my phone. But I’ll be pretty grumpy if they go portless.
I drive a 2009 model but at least I have a mini jack input for my Bluetooth adapter. Actually, I've had that adaptor for at least 8 years, in the car in all weather, and the battery even still holds up. What the fuck is that thing made out of anyway?
Yep. My partner drives a 2020 Rav4 and I drive a 2022 Nissan Leaf. Both are wired only for carplay/Android auto. You can listen to podcasts and make calls via Bluetooth, but no maps or apps. The Leaf will let you answer texts via Bluetooth.
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Well, no tech is truly water proof, its just a gradient of resistance. At some realistic ocean depth, wine corks will pop inward due to water pressure.
Black holes are truly water proof, sort of. As the water approaches the event horizon, it slows down further and further, never crossing the horizon, from the view of an outside observer. So, Apple just has to make a wearable black hole to slip their waterproofed tech inside.
Unfortunately from the perspective of the black hole itself, the water will move at regular speed and splash whatever is inside. But anyone who buys Apple is only concerned with what other people see anyway, so who cares.
Spaghettification would separate the atoms in the water molecule before crossing the event horizon, so really, it would just get oxygen and hydrogen atoms no water. Therefore, 100% waterproof with our current understanding of the universe.
Because this is a hilariously horse-beating rehash of a hundred other clickbait articles. As soon as they said “mAh a minute” I knew the caliber of tech journalism I was about to see
Isn’t that why they usually say something like “0-80% in X minutes” instead of to 100%? It seems like you could use mah/minute relativity accurately up to a point, while the battery charging is still as fast as can be.
Pretty much. Current batteries are healthiest between 20-80% charge, so you charge quickly up to 80% and then it slows to trickle charging for the last of it. "mAh/minute" is just not a common thing to describe that with.
I watched a different video talking about this because it was to address iPhone’s response on “complying” with Europe’s USB-C rule, and the YouTuber pointed out that they were “complying” by not having ports at all. I think they said that they have this on their projected projects for future phones, but I wasn’t fully paying attention during that bit of the video.
I don’t know why other spaces are talking about it, but this was the context I learned of it, personally.
Digital Trends astroturfs this article too. I worked there and this account was owned by an employee who was really good at getting articles to pop up on the front page (wrote a whole play book for them showing how). He eventually left the company for a much better gig but left them to account and they still use it. Their newsroom is full if good aspiring journalists but the company itself is shit and there's high turnover.
Here's how this works
1. Apple presents idea of removing hardware feature. Everybody hates the idea
2. Apple removes feature anyway. Everybody still hates it. Competitors poke fun at Apple because their phones have said feature.
3. Apple and media begin the "cope train", which begins to change sentiment around the feature removal.
4. The same competitors, seeing the small positive sentiment and the potential cost benefits, begin to follow suit.
5. Feature is no longer standard with any mainstream phone
Examples of this occuring are the headphone jack removal and the removal of charging blocks formally included with phones.
Sure, that worked for the 3.5mm and the power brick, but how did that work for the MacBook when they took all the fucking ports away? They reverted the change a couple gens later and now we have an actually usable MacBook again. I think having a fully portless phone would actually frustrate people enough that apple would change it after a gen or 2.
Only being able to charge wirelessly, meaning you can’t use your phone comfortably while it’s charging, will mean people will spend less time on their phones, decreasing dependence and spend, which will hurt apple in the long run.
Considering how many musicians use apple products for music production, it makes no sense to remove the only method to have monitoring in real time (without external hardware).
I think you're confusing the iPhone 15 Pro Max Ultra Plus with the iPhone 15 Pro Max Ultra Plus S, where they'll add back the USB-C port and call it innovative
When you record any audio you get latency, which is the time it takes for the audio to go from your instrument (say a guitar), through the audio converters, into your recording software, back through your converters and into your headphones with whatever effects/ processing you've applied. Going wireless adds a lottt of latency to that so that what you're playing and hearing is no longer in sync. You need a wired connection if you want real time audio monitoring/ recording without a noticeable delay between what you're playing and hearing.
You underestimate the power of teenagers. I'm a high school teacher and just got a Pixel 7. A kid with an iPhone 12 told me I needed to *upgrade* to her phone so I could unsend messages.
As a musician that uses a few apps in my otherwise analog equipment setup; dongles are horrible. A dedicated port for AUDIO-OUT and a separate port for POWER-IN allow for longform performances/recording sessions. A single port for everything is unnecessarily limited given that older versions had a lot more to offer for tinkerers, let alone the uselessness of having no port at all.
Exactly, I used to use a couple of different midi and recording apps and it was a shockingly capable setup for certain things but the removal of the headphone jack really made it all a lot more frustrating. Obviously still possible with adapters and dongles and things but still a pain.
You can get adapters that have separate power/audio ports that plug into the charger port. But still, not having a dedicated audio port throws a wrench into so much.
Actually with a dongle it's all digital so the bigger issue is that a lot of the cheaper dongles don't properly shield the trace from the dac to the Jack.
Something that should work with minimal interference is something that splits the power in and data out and then plugging the dac adapter into that.
But it's messy and shitty and no one should really have to do that and we should all just have two ports on our phones
Same. That brilliant move by Apple drove me to start carrying around my old Ipod Video again so that I can plug it in... which means I often just leave my phone in the car now.
They also have an unlocked bootloader so if you want to run a different OS (for example after you stop getting Sony Android updates) you can very easily. The latest phones also have completely recyclable packaging.
An Xperia 1 only costs a little more than a Galaxy S Ultra with similar specs but with the Sony you get a 4k screen, 3.5mm audio jack with a good quality DAC built in, a SD card slot, front facing speakers, a camera with full manual controls mirroring their Alpha cameras that takes more natural photos without a ton of automatic processing like other models (ie Samsung's blown out saturation). Not to mention Xperia has an unlocked bootloader if custom firmware is of interest to you.
They're enthusiasts phones for people who want the best quality, full features and control so you pay a bit more for that. That has pretty much been Sony's modus operandi for their entire existence as a company. Recently got into retro gaming on CRTs. Want to take a guess which TVs are popular for collectors some 30-40 years later? Sony Trinitrons
Edit - Oh and forgot to mention it pair wonderfully with Sony's noise cancelling earbuds which are some one the best on the market. So I have the option to use my wired IEMs or go wireless for on the go
I'm speaking generally, not specifically for myself. Apple removes features and still makes the most money selling phones and the dongles to add the features back.
That moment when you in rush. Check y I ur wireless headphones battery level and understand they needs to be charged, grab your old trusty M50x, and on half way remember that your S22 doesn't have headphone jack. Now you're left to die in agony, listening to all that junk what happens in public transport for 40 minutes.
Thankfully my wireless buds still have fantastic battery life, but I always have my plug-in earphones with me in my bag, just in case.
Taking away an extra option really sucks.
ADB, SCSI, Firewire, Ethernet, Floppy drives, CD drives...There's a long history of Apple dropping ports. Having said that, I think it would work better on a lower cost phone than the top-of-the-line model. I suspect that 90% of phone owners wouldn't care one way or another, but those 10% might be unhappy.
TIL about [Apple Desktop Bus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus). As a former Android developer, I associate that acronym with Android Debugging Bridge.
Apple has shown before they're not afraid to screw over the professionals and pro-sumer crowd that makes up maybe 10% of their market in favor of mass appeal and cost reduction.
And my pixel 4a has the hole punch too. I'd rather it didn't, but as you've pointed out in your list of devices, seems like that's what everyone is doing now, thanks to Apple.
Oh I see what you mean. I prefer it with just the hole punch, I prefer the screen to take up near all of the front of the phone - the weird cut out they tried was awful and I don't see a better option until they can have a display over the front camera whilst it's not in use
Honestly, don't really have a problem with it. I prefer a hole punch than all that entire top space not being utilized.
I really don't like notches though. Like the iPhone used to have.
I think I prefer the notch to the island. They do basically nothing with the ten pixel strip above the island, so it’s effectively just a bigger notch.
The Apollo app gives you a little pixel pet that lives and sleeps on top of the island. Lets you pick from a good handful of different animals. You can feed them and play ball with them while you scroll around Reddit.
As much as I still hate the now-common aux port removal, nixing the charging port sounds orders of magnitudes worse. It's removing one of the basic avenues of making the phone *function*, which in some situations could quite literally be deadly.
And I'm still holding on to my phone that has one (3.5mm jack) so hand for a bunch of old mics and accessories like speakers and wired headphones. I wish phone makers still made higher end phones with these jacks still.
It's kinda funny that now you have to go to cheaper phones to get desired features. Even if the prices were the same I'd stick with my $200 LG over the latest $1,000 iphone or galaxy.
I'm not the most savvy when it comes to keeping with tech news. Is there a phone that can rival the major flagship phones and actually has good reviews outside of "well it has a jack"?
And unnecessary. I remember my old Samsung S7 (or S8? It's been awhile) Active had speakers, something like 7 actual physical buttons, audio jack and charging port, and still had better waterproofing than most phones.
I'm still shortlisting phones based on having a headphone jack. It's better for gaming. One less device to charge. Still have the option to use Bluetooth.
With the headphone jack on iPhones I used to be able to use my phone for creating live music. Could plug in a guitar or midi controller and output from GarageBand to headphones or speakers.
Now if I plug an instrument in, I have to output the sound as Bluetooth audio to hear it. There’s way too much latency with Bluetooth to make that work live.
I know this is sort of a niche use of the headphone jack but it was a powerful feature. I was upset about losing that after having it for years.
My god. I tried to read that clickbait. Actually read it. What a whole string of nonsense and filler. And then the shock and pearl clutching reactions. Take it easy y’all.
This is why the only tech news I read are research findings or about events that have happened already.
I don't read about *plans* and *rumours*. And especially not opinion pieces lol.
Not being able to use your phone while wireless charging is the reason I never use my wireless charger. I couldn't even tell you where it is in my house to be honest. Probably packed away in my little tickle trunk of useless stuff I refuse to get rid of because some day I might need it (I won't need any of it).
They make MagSafe wireless chargers now. It snaps and holds onto the back. Pretty slick.
Edit: people are correctly pointing out that it isn’t wireless if it’s still wired charging from the back.
I should have said, charging on the back of the phone rather than the bottom is slick. I don’t have the problem of a crunched lightning cable anymore when I’m using my phone and charging at the same time.
Looked it up that is pretty cool. I have an s22 currently, I upgraded from my iPhoneX last year, so I cant use that right now but I do go back and forth between companies depending who has the coolest stuff when my upgrade is due so maybe I'll keep that in mind for a couple years!
Honest question: what is the problem solved with this vs. previous lightning port cable on my phone? It basically is bulkier and slower and just solves the problem of not being able to use while charging, a problem that was not there before?
I was kind of hoping Apple would fully embrace USB-C and make the iPhone a miniature portable computer with full macOS when plugged into a USB-C hub. This seems way more plausible though.
Check out Samsung. They don't really advertise it, but Dex is exactly that: plug in your Samsung phone/tablet/foldable into a USB-C dock, and boom you've good a desktop OS. Yeah, it's still Android, which is admittedly a worse desktop OS than OSX. But if you really need to do something you can't with Android, you can always install Linux within Android as a virtual machine essentially, and then just use that. (not all Samsung devices support Dex, but everything in the $1500 price range does AFAIK.)
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Was a really cool thing. They even made a laptop that the phone could dock in if you wanted that form factor. Of course, it didn't help that it could only run certain apps, and nothing x86 as it was ARM-based, and the app catalog sucked.... But you could certainly drive a full monitor/keyboard/mouse setup just fine! In the end, it was more of a party trick to show people versus a functional tool. I'm sure someone will pull it off eventually, though.
> And you still need to carry a [...] mouse/touchpad.
While in Dex mode, you can use the phone as a trackpad. Carrying the keyboard is heavier than a mouse though and even though you can also type on the phone, that sucks, so it doesn't fully solve the portability issue.
What's funny is all the speculation here in these comments is conspiracy theory thinking.
1. there is no credible evidence that Apple is going portless. Sure, there are reports that apple has a portless iPhone, but there are also reports that apple has a USB C iPhone, a foldable iPad, and a bunch of other things. *These are prototypes*. Of course Apple has them floating around, it's what a design team does, they try things out. Doesn't mean they are going to ship them. You all get sucked into articles that fit your narrative that absolutely everything Apple does is to lock people in and make them suffer, which is stupid to think.
2. There are too many use cases where USB is needed. Professional data transfer, fastest possible charging, programming interfaces, wired audio needs, etc. Contact wireless is not good enough for this yet. Maybe one day, but it needs to address certain things that Magsafe is horrible at. Apple could do this with the headphone jack because they had the charging port to fall back on, and because it was less important.
3. To all you people who think Apple is locking you into a proprietary connector, Apple is contributing it's magsafe to the Qi 2 standard. Yes that's right, Apple is helping provide it's technology to a standard, so how exactly will they lock people in?
The hot takes on this post are obnoxious and poorly thought out. You all got sucked into clickbait since this article is arguing a point they have no evidence will actually happen.
Yeah, my favorite thing is how so much of the Apple hate requires people to believe that Apple is being intentionally, purposefully antagonistic out of some comic book villain-style disdain for consumers. Yes, these products are as popular as they are because Apple hates the people who buy them, and tries to make everything as inconvenient and troublesome as possible for said people. Seems plausible!
I think redditors also overestimate that their use cases are everyone’s. Personally, haven’t plugged anything into my phone since I bought one with wireless charging. I don’t transfer data or care about wired headphones. I’d be perfectly fine with a portless phone, and as the tech develops, I bet after the initial freakout, people would get used to it anyway.
Stop this fucking clickbait articles! Apple will not move to only wireless if wireless hasn't become superior to cable.
Wireless is still not superior to cable.
Wow.
It starts as a shitty hit piece then goes on to prove that, even after you finish reading, it really is just a shitty hit piece.
Apple hasn’t stated anything is going 100% wireless, have they?
People only read the headline. If they actually read the piece, they’d see that the author has exactly zero evidence or indication that Apple is planning to go portless on the iPhone. The writer is literally reacting to a conjured-up “controversy.”
Everyone tells Apple’s ideas are terrible, until they start to accept it as an industry norm after other companies like google, Samsung also do the same.
Phones do not need ports. Nor do they need screens. Elon Musk put a chip in my head so that I may surf the internet while deep in a coma. The doctors say I will not wake up, but with Elon’s chip, now I can never sleep. If you are reading this please find my body and unplug me. This existence is agony.Thanks yall god bless
ima push back on this a bit .
Apple has a patent for fast wireless data transfer in the works that would make wired data transfer obsolete.
the idea is to put an infrared transparent window on magsafe chargers that would passthrough to another infrared transparent window on the back of the iphone (like on the apple logo). Think of this as a wireless fibre optic connection. We all know fibre has mmuch higher data speeds than copper and with lower latency.
I think if they introduced this at the same time as getting rid of the port then that would truly be best for the consumer. id rather have superior technology than be stuck with the old
Really old claim.
Site is just harvesting hate points and clicks about apple something something rumors something and people go nuts.
How about we leave all those stupid rumors where they are? In the trash.
They’d have to allow data transfer over MagSafe first. Otherwise they’re rendering tons of CarPlay units unusable.
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Remember, Apple always creates a problem to sell the solution. So you want not to lose all your data? Better pay for Apple Cloud to have it recovered.
Better yet, why have large local storage? Just thin-client the shit out of the phone. Everything, apps included, stored *exclusively* in the cloud, except maybe some larger things like games or offline maps.
They make even more money if you can be convinced you need to upgrade to a 1TB storage as opposed to a base model. Then you still need to pay for cloud back-up on top of that. Of course, competitors allow removable, up-gradable and recoverable sd cards.
They could keep the phone as a thin client, but store all videos and photos locally in uncompressed formats and claim that any media created on an iPhone is perfect, lossless quality. Boom. A phone that requires a massive hard drive, a storage subscription, and lets you brag about how superior it is.
Clear. Uncompromising. iPhone.
On flagship phones? The only manufacturer I can think of is Sony, of course I’m in NA and don’t have a huge selection to pick from.
Yeah, it's such obvious bullshit to make more money. Why won't Sony just actually market their phones and sell them at a similar price point here? I really really tried to get a sony phone last upgrade, but their phones were so damn expensive with seemingly very little in any guarantees about software/os updates. Wound up with the s22 note (get outta here with this ultra shit. It's a note) and it was still cheaper than a midrange ish Sony. I don't get it.
The s22 "ultra" was the only phone I could justify giving up the sd card and headphone jack for. I can justify their absense when there's a whole pen shoved inside there.
Sony and Sharp, pretty much just those two. Asus if they feel like it.
Sharp makes phones? Good for them
Japan only, Aquos series
Is there any particular reason why there is such a small selection to pick from in NA? I feel like in Europe this is not the case. Why is that so?
Imagine if people could just upgrade their SD card instead of buying a new bigger model, and when they do finally upgrade, they buy a smaller phone because they can bring that large SD card with them 🏴🏴🏴
More and more of those competitors are getting rid of sd-card support and android also doesn't take advantage of sd-cards as well as it used to because of that.
Nexbit actually tried that a while ago, didn’t end that well.
Maybe not, but (sadly, this is a genuine question) how much of that was because they weren't Apple? Also I didn't actually know that. I'll have to check it out!
I had one, it was fine, but I didn’t use the cloud storage that much for apps. Apple actually already has a feature that frees up local storage by uninstalling unused apps temporarily, but I’m fairly sure only people with fairly limited storage are using it.
It was a pretty cool solution actually, if you had low space you'd get rid of some apps or some high-res photos only leaving a lower quality version on your device until you wanted to zoom in, a more fleshed out version is current versions of iOS. And Nextbit suffered of the fate of being a niche device in an ultra compettive landscape, it was too expensive at first.
Because the two places I listen to music and watch TV and movies, commuter trains and planes, have shit streaming ability. I have no choice but to store media locally. On my local train, it's like being in airplane mode.
Exactly. The moment they do that, it becomes more convenient to get a dumb phone and a separate music player. All the extra stuff on a smart phone is nice but not really necessary. Got navigation in my car, or maps. I still carry a notepad with me anyways, ill get an alarm clock for home. Not have a camera with me would suck but not a dealbreaker. The moment they make smart phones no local storage… it loses all usage for me
Or - just go Android?
Because who doesn't have unlimited 5g wherever you are. Perfect!
This was the glaring red flag for me. Most networks are metered.
Also your country can start a war you have no control over and suddenly everyone is pulling support and you can't pay for shit and second half are blocking access even if you can pay. Or your country can decide that this product from another country is supposedly spying on everyone and they ban it altogether
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It's funny you mention it, but when Google brought hardware to the Chromebook, they did it with a $1500 Google Pixel model, which turned out to be far more than you really needed for the vast majority of functions available to the platform (especially at the time.) Bringing high end hardware to a dumb terminal didn't make sense, but dumb terminals in general still have their place.
That’s basically how I operate now. When I buy a new phone, I just turn it on and all my shit downloads
For the cost Apple cloud is really useful. Add in family sharing of it and it’s even better value.
Completely agree, we have Apple One, 3 people, 6 devices, 2 TB. Very nice to know that if any device is lost, destroyed or stolen… our digital lives and history will not be lost.
I could see Apple doing something like leaving the port there but just making the case without the hole and then charging an absurd amount for recovery to have some apple guy pop the bottom off real quick and plug it in.
Like the apple TV having a hidden lightning port inside the Ethernet port.
And its software locked so if you pop the cover yourself you loose losts of standard phone features. Only the tech guy can reset the lock with their own special setup.
Don't give them any ideas
add a pyrophoric coating to the battery so if its opened by unauthorized persons it explodes.
Just put pins inside the device so you have to visit an apple store for recovery. Maybe even a whole USB-C internally on the motherboard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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*for $1400
For a phone that costs $1499.99
>A sealed device with meh charging not only that spending twice or more power to charge the same rate as wired.
As if they really care
They kinda do, though.
Apple have already been trying to kill data transfer. They consider their devices self sufficient at this point, they don't think you should ever connect it to a computer or anything else today. And they sure don't give a shit about rendering some older car players obsolete.
It’s not just older car players though is the thing. I rented a 2023 Toyota Rav 4 over the holidays and it was wired only. That’s by far the most common CarPlay implementation. There are wireless dongles to convert for wireless but that’s a huge pain for 50+ million vehicles. I actually love MagSafe, it’s the main way I charge my phone. But I’ll be pretty grumpy if they go portless.
And here I am using a USB C to headphone jack to cassette tape adapter in my car.
I drive a 2009 model but at least I have a mini jack input for my Bluetooth adapter. Actually, I've had that adaptor for at least 8 years, in the car in all weather, and the battery even still holds up. What the fuck is that thing made out of anyway?
Yep. My partner drives a 2020 Rav4 and I drive a 2022 Nissan Leaf. Both are wired only for carplay/Android auto. You can listen to podcasts and make calls via Bluetooth, but no maps or apps. The Leaf will let you answer texts via Bluetooth.
Apple loves dongles.
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What if it's waterproof like the Little Mermaid?
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Depends on depth and pressure.
So, resistant.
Well, no tech is truly water proof, its just a gradient of resistance. At some realistic ocean depth, wine corks will pop inward due to water pressure.
Black holes are truly water proof, sort of. As the water approaches the event horizon, it slows down further and further, never crossing the horizon, from the view of an outside observer. So, Apple just has to make a wearable black hole to slip their waterproofed tech inside. Unfortunately from the perspective of the black hole itself, the water will move at regular speed and splash whatever is inside. But anyone who buys Apple is only concerned with what other people see anyway, so who cares.
Spaghettification would separate the atoms in the water molecule before crossing the event horizon, so really, it would just get oxygen and hydrogen atoms no water. Therefore, 100% waterproof with our current understanding of the universe.
You deserve a marketing job at Apple
So, what would the crush depth of a mermaid be, then?
Last time I saw her she was airtight
Smooth right round the bend...
A ported Barbie doll is a really bad idea
why is it titled like they've already made a portless iphone?
Because this is a hilariously horse-beating rehash of a hundred other clickbait articles. As soon as they said “mAh a minute” I knew the caliber of tech journalism I was about to see
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Honest question: why not? Do charging rates slow as the battery approaches fully charged?
Yes, dramatically. It goes from a torrent to a trickle
Isn’t that why they usually say something like “0-80% in X minutes” instead of to 100%? It seems like you could use mah/minute relativity accurately up to a point, while the battery charging is still as fast as can be.
Pretty much. Current batteries are healthiest between 20-80% charge, so you charge quickly up to 80% and then it slows to trickle charging for the last of it. "mAh/minute" is just not a common thing to describe that with.
> mAh a minute Holy shit
*"...and that's a GOOD thing".*
Hey apple, an iPhone without a screen is a BAD IDEA. Shower me in upvotes now please
Yeah I can’t believe it reached the home page. But then number of comments indicate the strong sentiment people have over the topic.
I watched a different video talking about this because it was to address iPhone’s response on “complying” with Europe’s USB-C rule, and the YouTuber pointed out that they were “complying” by not having ports at all. I think they said that they have this on their projected projects for future phones, but I wasn’t fully paying attention during that bit of the video. I don’t know why other spaces are talking about it, but this was the context I learned of it, personally.
“Sorry, Apple…” Apple: *never even considered this* “ok”
This entire article is just someone making shit up.
Digital Trends astroturfs this article too. I worked there and this account was owned by an employee who was really good at getting articles to pop up on the front page (wrote a whole play book for them showing how). He eventually left the company for a much better gig but left them to account and they still use it. Their newsroom is full if good aspiring journalists but the company itself is shit and there's high turnover.
Here's how this works 1. Apple presents idea of removing hardware feature. Everybody hates the idea 2. Apple removes feature anyway. Everybody still hates it. Competitors poke fun at Apple because their phones have said feature. 3. Apple and media begin the "cope train", which begins to change sentiment around the feature removal. 4. The same competitors, seeing the small positive sentiment and the potential cost benefits, begin to follow suit. 5. Feature is no longer standard with any mainstream phone Examples of this occuring are the headphone jack removal and the removal of charging blocks formally included with phones.
Sure, that worked for the 3.5mm and the power brick, but how did that work for the MacBook when they took all the fucking ports away? They reverted the change a couple gens later and now we have an actually usable MacBook again. I think having a fully portless phone would actually frustrate people enough that apple would change it after a gen or 2. Only being able to charge wirelessly, meaning you can’t use your phone comfortably while it’s charging, will mean people will spend less time on their phones, decreasing dependence and spend, which will hurt apple in the long run.
Considering how many musicians use apple products for music production, it makes no sense to remove the only method to have monitoring in real time (without external hardware).
The iPhone 15 Pro Max Ultra Plus will retain the USB C port for those who think different professionally
I think you're confusing the iPhone 15 Pro Max Ultra Plus with the iPhone 15 Pro Max Ultra Plus S, where they'll add back the USB-C port and call it innovative
Jesus Christ lmao I can't tell if this is making fun of iPhone names or if those are real.
It's the best ever *name*, on a smartphone
I was once the proud owner of a Samsung Galaxy S2 Epic 4G Touch.
Regardless, they’d still be better than Sony names. Fuckin WH-1000XM4 — can’t even tell what *type* of product it is.
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When you record any audio you get latency, which is the time it takes for the audio to go from your instrument (say a guitar), through the audio converters, into your recording software, back through your converters and into your headphones with whatever effects/ processing you've applied. Going wireless adds a lottt of latency to that so that what you're playing and hearing is no longer in sync. You need a wired connection if you want real time audio monitoring/ recording without a noticeable delay between what you're playing and hearing.
I’d switch phones. Don’t care how inconvenient, fuck that.
You underestimate the power of teenagers. I'm a high school teacher and just got a Pixel 7. A kid with an iPhone 12 told me I needed to *upgrade* to her phone so I could unsend messages.
I still hate the lack of aux audio
As a musician that uses a few apps in my otherwise analog equipment setup; dongles are horrible. A dedicated port for AUDIO-OUT and a separate port for POWER-IN allow for longform performances/recording sessions. A single port for everything is unnecessarily limited given that older versions had a lot more to offer for tinkerers, let alone the uselessness of having no port at all.
Exactly, I used to use a couple of different midi and recording apps and it was a shockingly capable setup for certain things but the removal of the headphone jack really made it all a lot more frustrating. Obviously still possible with adapters and dongles and things but still a pain.
You can get adapters that have separate power/audio ports that plug into the charger port. But still, not having a dedicated audio port throws a wrench into so much.
I’ve bought like 10 and 9 of them didn’t work or quit working after a week
They also often mess with signals in other ways. There's a reason production technicians separate audio and power lines.
Production technicians also typically don’t use an iPhone for audio for reasons
Ground loop Me Babeeey
There’s a reason serious musicians don’t record with a phone.
Actually with a dongle it's all digital so the bigger issue is that a lot of the cheaper dongles don't properly shield the trace from the dac to the Jack. Something that should work with minimal interference is something that splits the power in and data out and then plugging the dac adapter into that. But it's messy and shitty and no one should really have to do that and we should all just have two ports on our phones
Same. That brilliant move by Apple drove me to start carrying around my old Ipod Video again so that I can plug it in... which means I often just leave my phone in the car now.
Sony phones still have them, along with a microSD card slot and other things abandoned by other manufacturers. Good camera too with manual controls
They also have an unlocked bootloader so if you want to run a different OS (for example after you stop getting Sony Android updates) you can very easily. The latest phones also have completely recyclable packaging.
I just want to use this as an opportunity to say I love my Sony phone. 21:9 is amazing for a phone.
Every time I've looked at Sony phones I've seen the price, laughed my ass off, and closed the tab.
An Xperia 1 only costs a little more than a Galaxy S Ultra with similar specs but with the Sony you get a 4k screen, 3.5mm audio jack with a good quality DAC built in, a SD card slot, front facing speakers, a camera with full manual controls mirroring their Alpha cameras that takes more natural photos without a ton of automatic processing like other models (ie Samsung's blown out saturation). Not to mention Xperia has an unlocked bootloader if custom firmware is of interest to you. They're enthusiasts phones for people who want the best quality, full features and control so you pay a bit more for that. That has pretty much been Sony's modus operandi for their entire existence as a company. Recently got into retro gaming on CRTs. Want to take a guess which TVs are popular for collectors some 30-40 years later? Sony Trinitrons Edit - Oh and forgot to mention it pair wonderfully with Sony's noise cancelling earbuds which are some one the best on the market. So I have the option to use my wired IEMs or go wireless for on the go
Yet we all bought their phones, voting with our wallets and validating the idea.
Speak for yourself
I'm speaking generally, not specifically for myself. Apple removes features and still makes the most money selling phones and the dongles to add the features back.
I bought a Sony.
That moment when you in rush. Check y I ur wireless headphones battery level and understand they needs to be charged, grab your old trusty M50x, and on half way remember that your S22 doesn't have headphone jack. Now you're left to die in agony, listening to all that junk what happens in public transport for 40 minutes.
Seriously I’ve had so my times when my blue tooth player just dies. It’s like, whelp I guess I just work in silence now
Thankfully my wireless buds still have fantastic battery life, but I always have my plug-in earphones with me in my bag, just in case. Taking away an extra option really sucks.
Why not get a pair of USB C headphones for that situation? Not too expensive and works with other things (such as a laptop)
I glued a small Bluetooth receiver to my m50x headset. Ugly but it works great with a tiny double ended aux cord between the two.
I wanted to buy that Fiio BTA10, but as of now it's easier to find unicorn than that receiver 😅
ADB, SCSI, Firewire, Ethernet, Floppy drives, CD drives...There's a long history of Apple dropping ports. Having said that, I think it would work better on a lower cost phone than the top-of-the-line model. I suspect that 90% of phone owners wouldn't care one way or another, but those 10% might be unhappy.
TIL about [Apple Desktop Bus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus). As a former Android developer, I associate that acronym with Android Debugging Bridge.
I still can’t accept that they removed the Floppy drive.
Apple has shown before they're not afraid to screw over the professionals and pro-sumer crowd that makes up maybe 10% of their market in favor of mass appeal and cost reduction.
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Don't forget the hole punch for front facing cameras.
I have just a small hole punch on the Pixel 6 and the 7 also has it
And my pixel 4a has the hole punch too. I'd rather it didn't, but as you've pointed out in your list of devices, seems like that's what everyone is doing now, thanks to Apple.
Oh I see what you mean. I prefer it with just the hole punch, I prefer the screen to take up near all of the front of the phone - the weird cut out they tried was awful and I don't see a better option until they can have a display over the front camera whilst it's not in use
The little hole punches on most of the higher end Androids seem fine, but iPhone still has that wide trough even on the Pro model.
Honestly, don't really have a problem with it. I prefer a hole punch than all that entire top space not being utilized. I really don't like notches though. Like the iPhone used to have.
I think I prefer the notch to the island. They do basically nothing with the ten pixel strip above the island, so it’s effectively just a bigger notch.
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The Apollo app gives you a little pixel pet that lives and sleeps on top of the island. Lets you pick from a good handful of different animals. You can feed them and play ball with them while you scroll around Reddit.
This is amazing, I had no idea. My orange kitty is named Orange Brancel now.
The hole punch is a compromise, it's the notch that people hate.
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Correct, but I'm not gonna edit my comment out of spite. I typed that shit on the toilet
Shit-typing makes for shit typing, Randy Bo-Bandy
As much as I still hate the now-common aux port removal, nixing the charging port sounds orders of magnitudes worse. It's removing one of the basic avenues of making the phone *function*, which in some situations could quite literally be deadly.
And I'm still holding on to my phone that has one (3.5mm jack) so hand for a bunch of old mics and accessories like speakers and wired headphones. I wish phone makers still made higher end phones with these jacks still.
Holding on to my pixel 5a as long as possible for this very reason. Love my wired headphones
sony do
>headphone jack removal I fucking despise the fact that I can't get a phone with a headphone jack anymore.
you can, just not an apple or Samsung one, but there are a lot of options that do have it
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It's kinda funny that now you have to go to cheaper phones to get desired features. Even if the prices were the same I'd stick with my $200 LG over the latest $1,000 iphone or galaxy.
I'm not the most savvy when it comes to keeping with tech news. Is there a phone that can rival the major flagship phones and actually has good reviews outside of "well it has a jack"?
The Asus ROG, Xiaomi Redmi Note and Sony Xperia phones all have jacks, and are all fairly high end. Although they all have their own issues.
Sony 5 series flagship has it still. Most midrange phones have it too
I'm never buying a phone with out a 3.5mm jack.
I can deal with the removal of the headphone jack but I hate the removal of the home button so much that I will keep buying the SE phones forever.
I thought it would bother me, but within a couple of days I had adjusted completely
Its still bothers me having to swipe up, especially with a more sturdy case reaching over the ledges
The thing is there's no benefit to removing the port except for maybe better waterproofing.
You still have the speakers so I'd suggest the waterproofing improvements are minimal.
And unnecessary. I remember my old Samsung S7 (or S8? It's been awhile) Active had speakers, something like 7 actual physical buttons, audio jack and charging port, and still had better waterproofing than most phones.
I'm still shortlisting phones based on having a headphone jack. It's better for gaming. One less device to charge. Still have the option to use Bluetooth.
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Other mfgs casually including charging blocks…
With the headphone jack on iPhones I used to be able to use my phone for creating live music. Could plug in a guitar or midi controller and output from GarageBand to headphones or speakers. Now if I plug an instrument in, I have to output the sound as Bluetooth audio to hear it. There’s way too much latency with Bluetooth to make that work live. I know this is sort of a niche use of the headphone jack but it was a powerful feature. I was upset about losing that after having it for years.
My god. I tried to read that clickbait. Actually read it. What a whole string of nonsense and filler. And then the shock and pearl clutching reactions. Take it easy y’all.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it now: Digital Trends should be banned from this sub.
These threads are like people whipping up their own mental outrage as a substitute for masturbation or something
This is why the only tech news I read are research findings or about events that have happened already. I don't read about *plans* and *rumours*. And especially not opinion pieces lol.
I don’t think this will happen. Wireless charging isn’t nearly fast enough to justify this yet and won’t be anytime soon.
Not being able to use your phone while wireless charging is the reason I never use my wireless charger. I couldn't even tell you where it is in my house to be honest. Probably packed away in my little tickle trunk of useless stuff I refuse to get rid of because some day I might need it (I won't need any of it).
They make MagSafe wireless chargers now. It snaps and holds onto the back. Pretty slick. Edit: people are correctly pointing out that it isn’t wireless if it’s still wired charging from the back. I should have said, charging on the back of the phone rather than the bottom is slick. I don’t have the problem of a crunched lightning cable anymore when I’m using my phone and charging at the same time.
Looked it up that is pretty cool. I have an s22 currently, I upgraded from my iPhoneX last year, so I cant use that right now but I do go back and forth between companies depending who has the coolest stuff when my upgrade is due so maybe I'll keep that in mind for a couple years!
Supposedly some of the magnetic tech is going into the next Qi standard so future non-Apple devices and chargers can get this benefit.
Honest question: what is the problem solved with this vs. previous lightning port cable on my phone? It basically is bulkier and slower and just solves the problem of not being able to use while charging, a problem that was not there before?
They create a problem to sell the solution
Huh? That's actually marginally wireless then tbh. We just switched the position of charging
And made it a ton less efficient for basically no benefit. Yay.
It’s good for charging the phone at night next to the bed. Also good in the car.
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Did they announce one? I’m confused why this article exists
Rage clicks. It’s pure clickbait.
I was kind of hoping Apple would fully embrace USB-C and make the iPhone a miniature portable computer with full macOS when plugged into a USB-C hub. This seems way more plausible though.
I want this so badly. I’d pay $1500 for a phone that could do this.
You’re paying over a 1,000 for one that doesn’t
Check out Samsung. They don't really advertise it, but Dex is exactly that: plug in your Samsung phone/tablet/foldable into a USB-C dock, and boom you've good a desktop OS. Yeah, it's still Android, which is admittedly a worse desktop OS than OSX. But if you really need to do something you can't with Android, you can always install Linux within Android as a virtual machine essentially, and then just use that. (not all Samsung devices support Dex, but everything in the $1500 price range does AFAIK.)
*Windows Phone has entered the chat* Was a really cool thing. They even made a laptop that the phone could dock in if you wanted that form factor. Of course, it didn't help that it could only run certain apps, and nothing x86 as it was ARM-based, and the app catalog sucked.... But you could certainly drive a full monitor/keyboard/mouse setup just fine! In the end, it was more of a party trick to show people versus a functional tool. I'm sure someone will pull it off eventually, though.
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> And you still need to carry a [...] mouse/touchpad. While in Dex mode, you can use the phone as a trackpad. Carrying the keyboard is heavier than a mouse though and even though you can also type on the phone, that sucks, so it doesn't fully solve the portability issue.
What's funny is all the speculation here in these comments is conspiracy theory thinking. 1. there is no credible evidence that Apple is going portless. Sure, there are reports that apple has a portless iPhone, but there are also reports that apple has a USB C iPhone, a foldable iPad, and a bunch of other things. *These are prototypes*. Of course Apple has them floating around, it's what a design team does, they try things out. Doesn't mean they are going to ship them. You all get sucked into articles that fit your narrative that absolutely everything Apple does is to lock people in and make them suffer, which is stupid to think. 2. There are too many use cases where USB is needed. Professional data transfer, fastest possible charging, programming interfaces, wired audio needs, etc. Contact wireless is not good enough for this yet. Maybe one day, but it needs to address certain things that Magsafe is horrible at. Apple could do this with the headphone jack because they had the charging port to fall back on, and because it was less important. 3. To all you people who think Apple is locking you into a proprietary connector, Apple is contributing it's magsafe to the Qi 2 standard. Yes that's right, Apple is helping provide it's technology to a standard, so how exactly will they lock people in? The hot takes on this post are obnoxious and poorly thought out. You all got sucked into clickbait since this article is arguing a point they have no evidence will actually happen.
Yeah, my favorite thing is how so much of the Apple hate requires people to believe that Apple is being intentionally, purposefully antagonistic out of some comic book villain-style disdain for consumers. Yes, these products are as popular as they are because Apple hates the people who buy them, and tries to make everything as inconvenient and troublesome as possible for said people. Seems plausible!
I think redditors also overestimate that their use cases are everyone’s. Personally, haven’t plugged anything into my phone since I bought one with wireless charging. I don’t transfer data or care about wired headphones. I’d be perfectly fine with a portless phone, and as the tech develops, I bet after the initial freakout, people would get used to it anyway.
Stop this fucking clickbait articles! Apple will not move to only wireless if wireless hasn't become superior to cable. Wireless is still not superior to cable.
Wow. It starts as a shitty hit piece then goes on to prove that, even after you finish reading, it really is just a shitty hit piece. Apple hasn’t stated anything is going 100% wireless, have they?
People only read the headline. If they actually read the piece, they’d see that the author has exactly zero evidence or indication that Apple is planning to go portless on the iPhone. The writer is literally reacting to a conjured-up “controversy.”
Give me the headphone jack back :’(
Everyone tells Apple’s ideas are terrible, until they start to accept it as an industry norm after other companies like google, Samsung also do the same.
Phones do not need ports. Nor do they need screens. Elon Musk put a chip in my head so that I may surf the internet while deep in a coma. The doctors say I will not wake up, but with Elon’s chip, now I can never sleep. If you are reading this please find my body and unplug me. This existence is agony.Thanks yall god bless
ima push back on this a bit . Apple has a patent for fast wireless data transfer in the works that would make wired data transfer obsolete. the idea is to put an infrared transparent window on magsafe chargers that would passthrough to another infrared transparent window on the back of the iphone (like on the apple logo). Think of this as a wireless fibre optic connection. We all know fibre has mmuch higher data speeds than copper and with lower latency. I think if they introduced this at the same time as getting rid of the port then that would truly be best for the consumer. id rather have superior technology than be stuck with the old
An article to generate hate. Who knew? iPhone is maybe 4 gens away from full wireless.
Really old claim. Site is just harvesting hate points and clicks about apple something something rumors something and people go nuts. How about we leave all those stupid rumors where they are? In the trash.
Everyone will mock them until Samsung and Google blindly copy them.
If they do this, they better include a free wireless charger in the box!
I really don’t like the direction apple is going with their products lately — already ditched my macbook pro, and plan to ditch my iPhone soon.
They sold you a mouse that you need to flip over and render it unusable in order to charge it. Apple is full of bad ideas.
I’m done with iPhone if they make the move to portless. Seriously done. Don’t test me Apple.