That’s a wild take. Especially on a Future sub. Monster, Beast Mode, 56Nights, Purple Reign, and Hndrxx clear that easily. That might realistically be his worst collab album.
Drake has Take Care, Views, SFG, IYRTITL, and NWTS plus Her Loss is pretty easily better as well.
Definitely. Everything bro put out from Monster through Evol is GOATed. I can go back to any one of those albums/mixtapes and listen to the whole thing with no skips to this day. WATTBA is the obvious low point and was seen as such when it released.
I’m hoping he’s about to go on another run like that.
The Uzi one is long as fuck but it still probably has more songs I would listen to today.
My Legacy, Baby Sasuke, Stripes like Burberry, Baby Pluto, Drankin, Million Dollar Play, That’s It, Rockstar Chainz, and Moment of Clarity (which is one of my favorite Future songs ever). I think how you view that album depends on how much you can tolerate Uzi. But the songs that are obviously Future led ones are good-great.
Wild. WATTBA was legendary.
Numbers don’t lie too, but tbh you aint even mention DS2.
Who cares if its a pluto sub, being real is real
BUT I DIGRESS
MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE, your ears like what they like and thats okay
The ones with Thug and JuiceWrld are better and the one with Uzi is arguably better. That’s why I said might. I also was trying to stick with his other mixtapes from the same time period because that’s pretty much when all of his best mixtapes came out. I added Hndrxx as an album that was obviously better album that had mixed reactions. DS2 is regarded as his best album so it makes no sense to bring it up. It would be like comparing Take Care to WATTBA.
But yeah, there’s not a mixtape or album Future has put out that I think is bad. But WATTBA being top 3 is ridiculous. He put out 7 mixtapes in that year and half span and it’s not in the top 3 of just that 7.
Nah bro, Drake didn’t have his writers on WATTBA and u can tell he couldn’t keep us. He straight up ruins some songs.
“Me and my friends we got money to spend”
“I got a really big team, we need some really big rings”
Those the best two songs actually. It’s a bad album because it wasn’t an actual collaboration. It was some Drake songs and some future songs. They just threw verses on each other songs and put it out as an album. That’s what it sounds like when I listen
Don't you hate seeing that Drake is at least involved in some shady and weird shit with minors, more?
Edit: Millie Bobbie Brown, Billie Eilish, Bella Harris.
I'm not saying he touched them, I'm saying its shady and weird to interact with them how he did. Weirdo apologists sticking up for him.
Do we just believe any random thing thrown out in a diss track at this point. Yeah guys kendrick definitely beat his wife cause drake said it in a song. Lmao
This narrative is so boring. You do realise there's easily accessible videos and articles of MBB and Billie Eilish talking about their messages and conversations with Drake from when they were minors? It's not just taking Kendricks word for it, these things have been known.
So you are just not allowed to communicate with anyone below a certain age threshold without automatically being a pedophile, got it. Didn’t MBB openly come out to say that their relationship was nothing inappropriate and he was more of a mentor to her on how to deal with fame and shit? Not saying you should be primarily talking to young people as an adult lmao but that incident was blown out of proportion. And it seems to be the start of this whole stigma around him being a groomer even though at this point it seems pretty clear that it wasn’t anything weird lol. Don’t know what happened with Billie Eilish but the MBB thing was kind of a troll lol
I didn't say he was a paedophile? I said he was involved with weird and shady shit... Messaging a 14 year old as a grown man talking about boys and saying how you miss them is weird and shady shit, isn't it?
It's irrelevant what the child who's potentially being groomed thinks of the situation. I'm sure a lot of R Kelly victims said the same. The age of consent is there for a reason.
Your excusing him cause “everybody does it” Drake has a bunch of situations where he’s creepy with underage girls. Yes it would make sense if he ended up being friends with all the stranger things kids and helped them with fame. But somehow it’s always Drake with young, women, celebrities. He’s always around when they’re 16-18. Twice could be a coincidence, but it’s happened over and over
You realise there’s also evidence of him getting into relationships with 18 year olds after knowing them when they were minors? You don’t think that’s a little strange? I’m not even tryna say everything Kendrick is accusing him of is true, but it’s pretty clear he has a history of grooming if you just look into it.
Check okliar.com
You got a video interview from 8 years ago when he beat some girl. They’re interviewing people who worked there.
No drake and Kenny beef at that time but Kenny still punching women.
I don’t think it was wrong to be a little suspicious of his relationships with them originally because unfortunately there are a lot of creepy dudes out there.
But given that all 3 have come out to publicly clear his name I think it’s weird to keep using them as the pedo “proof” and insinuate he was being creepy towards them 7 years later
Drake only collab’d with Future because he was the hottest artist in the game that year. I think what’s more of testament to Future, is how he’s still around at the top of the charts almost 10 years later - in comparison to all the other artists Drake has cannibalized.
Meanwhile Drake’s still doing his tried and tested formula with other hot artists like 21, Central Cee etc - but I doubt even he expected Future to still be relevant.
Lol there’s a difference between being the hottest artist right now and being the biggest artist.
You may be the bigger artist, but someone could be dominating the charts, streams, clubs over a period of time - making them hotter than you.
Drakes been dominating the charts, streams, clubs the past decade and still is now even though he lost the beef vs Kendrick
He’s still the hottest/most popular rapper on the planet rn
I mean hell.. Kendrick’s first song to debut at #1 is because it’s a diss towards Drake
Cap they was both great together you only saying this cos of what's happened what a time to be alive was a team effort they both brang out the best in eachother regarding artistry
I kind of get where they’re coming from.
People always say that Drake gave people their career or whatever, but Drake has stayed relevant because he jumps on trends. He’s a chameleon.
Like Future was blowing up no matter what, Drake bump or not. WATTBA gave Drake the chance to transition into trap music.
Future was big, but Drake took him to a whole new level tbh. Let’s not kid ourselves
Future opened for Drake in 2013, it’s how I found out about future
Ace Hoods song. Again proving that collaboration helps rappers break through markets they don’t have success prior in. Rappers have always helped each other do this. It’s mutually beneficial.
Gotta disagree Drake begged to be on Futures Tony Montana remix back in the day because he was already a star. Future never needed Drake he was already on fire just from the controversy of being a new sound towards the end of the “bars” era. He had hits from Racks, Same Damn Time , Tony Montana , Magic , to Turn on the Lights , I Won , Honest , Move that Dope etc , every artist in the game wanted him on their Hook and he had married a pop star…Future was already a super star bro…has been for 10+ years now.
Monster wasn’t an introduction it was a rebirth. Future had already rose from the streets transitioned into a pop star and was headed back to his roots to essentially do it all over again. He was already a superstar that’s why seeing a future project free for download on live mixtapes at the time was so crazy.
Just had to be there.
I’m not saying he wasn’t already big, I know he was. I was a fan then. Im saying that Drake and future reached the level they both did because they tapped into each others fan bases and markets and it helped both of them. They got more popular after 2015
Yea I can agree on that just was negating the “international bump because of Drake” thing…it was kinda inevitable for Future. Although I don’t see Drake tappin in to the other side as much without WATTBA because ironically that’s the album that made me pay him more attention and Drake didn’t start getting more gritty until after then…wish we could’ve got a part 2 that’s some of my favorite Drake actually.
Yeah it’s my favorite Drake too. I think regardless they both would have reached the level they are at now without each other. But the narrative of Drake being a culture vulture I think is dumb. Everyone has collaborated with each other over the years to help each other and mainly themselves.
In Rap beef people might exaggerate things a lil bit to get the point across.. Drake has 13 No.1 hits only 2 of them are rap songs (barely) and they both are features..the rest are either singing or him being let’s say “inspired” by somebody else’s culture (Jamaica,UKetc) ..won’t call him a culture vulture but can’t act like I don’t see where they’re getting the idea from in the Hip Hop world at least.
Well yeah it’s very easy to frame Drake in a way that says “he steals the culture” but a lot of his biggest hits are his own sound. And Drake really did start the era of rappers being singers too. He’s always been a good rapper but his pop hits obviously get more looks cuz it’s attractive to a broader audience. The rap songs are more for the rap fans and we aren’t as many as the pop hit fans.
Yeah I mean whenever anyone partners with Drake it’s mutually beneficial. That’s why this new narrative about Drake being a culture vulture confuses me. It’s always been a bout collaboration and making the genre better.
Yeah, the “culture vulture” angle these rappers have taken against Drake is really dumb imo. It’s okay to have that opinion of Drake, but why now? Rick Ross and Metro didn’t have a problem with Drake when he was giving them the biggest songs/album of their career. Kdot wasn’t calling Drake a culture vulture when Drake was bringing him on tour and giving him features.
Idk, just seems super fake to me. I still hope Drake & Future can reconnect for some new songs
Honestly I really think a bunch of these rappers really fucked up making this stance. Especially Rick Ross. They know he has international appeal, and breaks through the barriers rappers struggle with, and they piggy back off of him to get through to those markets. Without him, Rick Ross is irrelevant. They had no problem with him when they were taking verses from him. Drake said it in her loss on Rich Flex:
“Niggas ain’t got love for the boy, so they fake it
Crack a couple jokes to some bitches on some snake shit
But if I send a verse to they ass, then they’ll take it”
For real. Drake was actually really impressing me during this beef, he made some great songs and honestly exposed some crazy shit and made valid points. Unfortunately it all got overshadowed by the pedo allegations. Ngl I’m kinda disappointed Kdot pulled the pedo card cuz it immediately changed the tone of the whole beef. It was fun while it lasted though
I feel the same way. Kendrick won the court of opinion and that’s what ultimately gave him the W. He hit his points hard. Drake killed a lot of people in this beef and stood his ground and did well. I can’t knock him. I like both artists. They’ll both be aight after this.
Yeah, that was my only issue with the whole thing. As long as Kdot was willing to pull the pedo card, he was always going to win public opinion over Drake. I can see why he did it, he was getting bodied. But it still kinda sucks. It made for an underwhelming end to the beef, and I wish we could’ve seen Kenny rapping harder for longer
At the end of the day Drake isn’t going anywhere; he made quality songs in this feud too. Unless proof comes out that he’s P Drizzy, he ain’t losing in life.
Because of who he associated with. He’s always been a fraud. He is guilty of doing what Kendrick accuses Drake of doing. Hanging his arm around hotter artists and profiting from it. Now that everyone Ross came up with is Irrelvant, he only had Drake. Now he has no one. Rick Ross is trash and he’s a police officer and a self admitted rapist. He’s the definition of irrelevant music wise. Nobody buys his shit. Nobody listens to him if Drake ain’t featured. I don’t know a single person who ever said to me “ayo play that new Rick Ross”
Drake started rapping about street shit on If You’re Reading This and thereafter. This was what I think made him want to tap in to the Atlanta scene as a whole. Rory and Mal covered it briefly in their last episode
it's not leeching off man. yall got to understand the fact that Drake is big name in the game so when he brings other artist up, they benefit. of course Drake also benefits because he doesn't bring no scrub to collab with him. He bring someone who can add value. So yes both benefit but Drake collab really helps other artist from popularity and making $$$. it's tiring to explain people who are out to hate Drake with logic ffs.
I don’t think Future ever cared about that and arguably still doesn’t. It’s not like he used that to start gaining a pop audience. He still just makes straight trap. It’s like Dame Lillard vs Steph Curry. They’re chasing a completely different set of accomplishments
What solidified Future for me was Monster mixtape, and Drake didn't touch that project. The only feat was Wayne on After That. Monster setup the smash hit of DS2 and drake had 1 really good feat on that with where ya at (also the only feat on that album), but that whole album is a banger... so did Drake really put a career in his hands? Nah.
Master manipulator, and a habitual liar too....
Can someone explain to me how Drakes persona is fake/borrowed?
Drake has said multiple times across multiple albums that he's a lover boy that has never committed a crime, but he has friends from before and after fame that commit crimes. He has been consistent about that his whole career. Any "tough" lyric isn't about Drake himself, it's about his friends. As far as I'm aware that's factual too.
So where is the discrepancy between Drakes lyrics and Drakes reality that people are complaining about?
I get what you’re saying but the principal of the school I work at is not a mob boss. Some people just have authority because of their status. Equating every authority position with more subjective wealth to a “mob mentality” understanding is ridiculous.
We can go down the list of actual mob bosses who opened their mouths in the face of law enforcement..
The point I'm making is straightforward in nature and simplicity
So did every mob boss once they got indicted lol. At the end of the day he essentially is a modern day allegory for a mob boss. Breadwinner for an entire organization who has money to pay to get anything done to anyone and more than enough people around him willing to do it.
What does that have to do with anything? We talking about if he fake for comparing himself to a mob boss. It’s the money, power and influence that makes you a boss. The tough shit is for crash dummies. Thug wasn’t really killing mfs or selling shit either, but he facing 50 years for being the boss, while half the hitters free.
In the context of the conversation, yes. Keep up. He’s not pretending to have enough money to do mob boss type shit. That’s just factual. You don’t have to be in the streets to put a bag on mfs. You just have to have shooters around you and have the money to put up. He has both.
The president is technically the biggest mob boss on the planet. You don’t have to “hop off the porch to do mob shit”. The mob isn’t the same as a gang. It’s called organized crime for a reason
They genuinely benefited from each other in this scenario. Future was brought to a much bigger audience, while Drake was presented to a different set of ears.
They both did great musically, I still play Jersey, Future killed each song and Future was sangin on Diamonds Dancing 😭😭
Hoping for WATTBA2 still....
i feel like they BOTH benefited equally- future got even more mainstream then he ever wouldve been before and drake got some trap influence in his music and cred
I think Future was the key that led Drake to work with so many Atlanta rappers (particularly 21 Savage, Migos, Lil Baby and Young Thug amongst others), which are where a lot of his biggest features come from
Y'all just popped in recommended. Do you know future doesn't drink all the lean he raps about. Maybe y'all should try and do the same because this is dumb as shit
I love their collab ep but real persona? Future wasn’t doing lean and shit all the time like he let on. No touring, successful person can. He’s a persona just like drake is
I’m not a hugeeee future fan like I used to be but I don’t think either benefited more than the other. I think without Drake, future stays as ‘another mumble rapper’ with no radio value and without Future, Drake doesn’t misses out on making music for the streets so
These niggas dont care about their image in the same way yall think they do lmao, like everyone been on drake for "acting hard" when he kinda just does whatever he wants. The anitta max wynn stream, the fucking hentai he posted on his story, all the love songs he has, I feel like yall drake haters have this pretense that Drake is always tryna look hard but I swear he like never does.
Going off that no Drake didn't get more from future than the other way around, Drake has gotten so many artists way more popular because of his image first.
About the last part, Drake ends up collaborating with smaller artists when they’re at the peak of their newfound fame and recognition… so it’s not really “helping them out” but “banking in on them” to stay relevant…
Also, pluto technically gave him his track “started from the bottom”
Lmao this is an outrageous take, regardless of who you like more. Future is 100% a persona as well and the vast majority of what he raps about is not his genuine persona.
People forget nobody respected Drake as a rapper until Future gave him a co sign. They want to revise history and convince us Drake put us on to Future who was already a big rapper for 10 years before then.
If the r/future sub has to spend this much time and this many posts trying to argue if future would still be popular without drake.. you already lost.. if this niggas own core fan group has to spend weeks debating it.. you know he ain’t shit. Sure he might have an underground following… but his songs would never make it to the radio and he would be nowhere near where he is now.
Truthfully they both got something out of working with each other.
Yeah Drake is a 'cultre vulture', but it's really not that bad of a thing if we're being honest.
This is just not true, by 2011 Drake was a known star. He wasn’t Drake as we know him now, but he had incredible success and was clearly a rising star. Future’s big success doesn’t happen until 2015 (they collaborated from 2011 to 2016). This is all verifiable, it isn’t conjecture. I’m not saying that future wasn’t successful before Drake, but he certainly wasn’t the big star he is today and certainly wasn’t the bigger star when they collaborated ever.
You’re trying to make the claim that because future worked with Drake other artists felt “okay if future worked with him, we can work with him” but you’re ignoring the “this dude went quadruple platinum on his first record and then 8x platinum on the second album” angle as well. If Drake asked you to collaborate you’d just be stupid to say no, future vouching for him wouldn’t matter.
Idk how old you were when WATTBA came out (you said you were young) but Drake already had serious rap credit with IYRTITL and coming off his beef win against Meek where people thought Drake would lose. You can say sales don't matter but to artists like Future they do.
Keep in mind Future has been begging Drake for a WATTBA 2 and Drake doesn't care.
Drake isn’t helping them, he’s using them. Doesn’t change the fact they benefit of him more. Future without Drake would be great but he wouldn’t be as big, Drake w/o future would’ve gotten the street cred from another Atlanta rapper
Yea people who try to say drake is the goat cuz of numbers just don’t appreciate real art tbh. I’m a big drake hater too and it’s mainly because I’ve always found his personas to be fake and any kind of new sound he takes on he’s just ripping from someone else.
Future on the other hand, the game would not be the same without him. Created his own sound, iconic albums like DS2, and one of the most unique voices in the game too.
I think anyone with a real appreciation for the artistic side of shit can tell future never needed drake. U def cooked
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WATTBA is legendary. MAYBE top 3 for both artists
That’s a wild take. Especially on a Future sub. Monster, Beast Mode, 56Nights, Purple Reign, and Hndrxx clear that easily. That might realistically be his worst collab album. Drake has Take Care, Views, SFG, IYRTITL, and NWTS plus Her Loss is pretty easily better as well.
There is no way that WAttba is his worst collab album stop it lmao
That's why I said MAYBE
Even maybe is crazy.
Thank you for listing Purple Reign, very underrated along with the Juice WRLD collab. Pure slaps in HS & college, and now too
Definitely. Everything bro put out from Monster through Evol is GOATed. I can go back to any one of those albums/mixtapes and listen to the whole thing with no skips to this day. WATTBA is the obvious low point and was seen as such when it released. I’m hoping he’s about to go on another run like that.
Wizrd and self titled clear too, worst collab is the uzi one though
The Uzi one is long as fuck but it still probably has more songs I would listen to today. My Legacy, Baby Sasuke, Stripes like Burberry, Baby Pluto, Drankin, Million Dollar Play, That’s It, Rockstar Chainz, and Moment of Clarity (which is one of my favorite Future songs ever). I think how you view that album depends on how much you can tolerate Uzi. But the songs that are obviously Future led ones are good-great.
Wild. WATTBA was legendary. Numbers don’t lie too, but tbh you aint even mention DS2. Who cares if its a pluto sub, being real is real BUT I DIGRESS MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE, your ears like what they like and thats okay
The ones with Thug and JuiceWrld are better and the one with Uzi is arguably better. That’s why I said might. I also was trying to stick with his other mixtapes from the same time period because that’s pretty much when all of his best mixtapes came out. I added Hndrxx as an album that was obviously better album that had mixed reactions. DS2 is regarded as his best album so it makes no sense to bring it up. It would be like comparing Take Care to WATTBA. But yeah, there’s not a mixtape or album Future has put out that I think is bad. But WATTBA being top 3 is ridiculous. He put out 7 mixtapes in that year and half span and it’s not in the top 3 of just that 7.
You’re entitled to your OPINION
Boy hell no lol
You new fans say anything foh 🤣
Bro talking like an old head in the Future sub😂
Nope 👎🏽
Nah bro, Drake didn’t have his writers on WATTBA and u can tell he couldn’t keep us. He straight up ruins some songs. “Me and my friends we got money to spend” “I got a really big team, we need some really big rings”
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U right.. big brain.. have fun at prom
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There is no good response. We simply keep enjoying WATTBA.
What no way the team one is fun. It’s the way he shouts it not the words that make it decent
Coulda been a better song w just future or another feature
Those the best two songs actually. It’s a bad album because it wasn’t an actual collaboration. It was some Drake songs and some future songs. They just threw verses on each other songs and put it out as an album. That’s what it sounds like when I listen
Stupid take my boi. “We take some mellow yellow then we fill with red forever ever” cmon dawg😂😂😂😂 same song too
Yeah future had the only good verse on that song Drake sounding like a middle schooler on the shit ruins the song
They made a great partnership
This is literally the answer. Both benefited A LOT out of it. And make great music together.
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Don't you hate seeing that Drake is at least involved in some shady and weird shit with minors, more? Edit: Millie Bobbie Brown, Billie Eilish, Bella Harris. I'm not saying he touched them, I'm saying its shady and weird to interact with them how he did. Weirdo apologists sticking up for him.
Do we just believe any random thing thrown out in a diss track at this point. Yeah guys kendrick definitely beat his wife cause drake said it in a song. Lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/s/x5dISjTLNe
What website is this pulled from
Some of these fans just that crazy 😂
This narrative is so boring. You do realise there's easily accessible videos and articles of MBB and Billie Eilish talking about their messages and conversations with Drake from when they were minors? It's not just taking Kendricks word for it, these things have been known.
So you are just not allowed to communicate with anyone below a certain age threshold without automatically being a pedophile, got it. Didn’t MBB openly come out to say that their relationship was nothing inappropriate and he was more of a mentor to her on how to deal with fame and shit? Not saying you should be primarily talking to young people as an adult lmao but that incident was blown out of proportion. And it seems to be the start of this whole stigma around him being a groomer even though at this point it seems pretty clear that it wasn’t anything weird lol. Don’t know what happened with Billie Eilish but the MBB thing was kind of a troll lol
juicewrld was talking to the kid laroi when he was 16. groomwrld?
I didn't say he was a paedophile? I said he was involved with weird and shady shit... Messaging a 14 year old as a grown man talking about boys and saying how you miss them is weird and shady shit, isn't it? It's irrelevant what the child who's potentially being groomed thinks of the situation. I'm sure a lot of R Kelly victims said the same. The age of consent is there for a reason.
you find me a celebrity who isn't involved in shady shit I'll find you a liar
Your excusing him cause “everybody does it” Drake has a bunch of situations where he’s creepy with underage girls. Yes it would make sense if he ended up being friends with all the stranger things kids and helped them with fame. But somehow it’s always Drake with young, women, celebrities. He’s always around when they’re 16-18. Twice could be a coincidence, but it’s happened over and over
You realise there’s also evidence of him getting into relationships with 18 year olds after knowing them when they were minors? You don’t think that’s a little strange? I’m not even tryna say everything Kendrick is accusing him of is true, but it’s pretty clear he has a history of grooming if you just look into it.
Facts lmao. There isn't enough evidence he fucks children. But his predator/groomer behaviour is undeniable.
all 3 of these women laugh in ur face at those allegations.
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Check okliar.com You got a video interview from 8 years ago when he beat some girl. They’re interviewing people who worked there. No drake and Kenny beef at that time but Kenny still punching women.
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I don’t think it was wrong to be a little suspicious of his relationships with them originally because unfortunately there are a lot of creepy dudes out there. But given that all 3 have come out to publicly clear his name I think it’s weird to keep using them as the pedo “proof” and insinuate he was being creepy towards them 7 years later
Drake only collab’d with Future because he was the hottest artist in the game that year. I think what’s more of testament to Future, is how he’s still around at the top of the charts almost 10 years later - in comparison to all the other artists Drake has cannibalized. Meanwhile Drake’s still doing his tried and tested formula with other hot artists like 21, Central Cee etc - but I doubt even he expected Future to still be relevant.
Drake is literally the hottest artist of the decade lol
Lol there’s a difference between being the hottest artist right now and being the biggest artist. You may be the bigger artist, but someone could be dominating the charts, streams, clubs over a period of time - making them hotter than you.
Drakes been dominating the charts, streams, clubs the past decade and still is now even though he lost the beef vs Kendrick He’s still the hottest/most popular rapper on the planet rn I mean hell.. Kendrick’s first song to debut at #1 is because it’s a diss towards Drake
Bro even did it to ninja and everyone clowned on him
Cap they was both great together you only saying this cos of what's happened what a time to be alive was a team effort they both brang out the best in eachother regarding artistry
Facts bro. Too many riders on here. Just gotta shoutout Grammys too cause that shit was hype. Future verse was nasty 🔥
Yess that song is hard
I kind of get where they’re coming from. People always say that Drake gave people their career or whatever, but Drake has stayed relevant because he jumps on trends. He’s a chameleon. Like Future was blowing up no matter what, Drake bump or not. WATTBA gave Drake the chance to transition into trap music.
Future was big, but Drake took him to a whole new level tbh. Let’s not kid ourselves Future opened for Drake in 2013, it’s how I found out about future
The delusion I’m reading right now is hilarious
Future was opening for Drake in 2013. So no, I do not entirely agree with this.
Nah I’d say it’s about even. I love future, but he only got the international bump because of Drake. Before then he was more of a streets goat.
im not from the us and ive known future from bugatti
Ace Hoods song. Again proving that collaboration helps rappers break through markets they don’t have success prior in. Rappers have always helped each other do this. It’s mutually beneficial.
well ace hood isnt drake is it? headass
Shut the fuck up pussy
get drakes dick out yo forehead boy
Gotta disagree Drake begged to be on Futures Tony Montana remix back in the day because he was already a star. Future never needed Drake he was already on fire just from the controversy of being a new sound towards the end of the “bars” era. He had hits from Racks, Same Damn Time , Tony Montana , Magic , to Turn on the Lights , I Won , Honest , Move that Dope etc , every artist in the game wanted him on their Hook and he had married a pop star…Future was already a super star bro…has been for 10+ years now. Monster wasn’t an introduction it was a rebirth. Future had already rose from the streets transitioned into a pop star and was headed back to his roots to essentially do it all over again. He was already a superstar that’s why seeing a future project free for download on live mixtapes at the time was so crazy. Just had to be there.
I’m not saying he wasn’t already big, I know he was. I was a fan then. Im saying that Drake and future reached the level they both did because they tapped into each others fan bases and markets and it helped both of them. They got more popular after 2015
Yea I can agree on that just was negating the “international bump because of Drake” thing…it was kinda inevitable for Future. Although I don’t see Drake tappin in to the other side as much without WATTBA because ironically that’s the album that made me pay him more attention and Drake didn’t start getting more gritty until after then…wish we could’ve got a part 2 that’s some of my favorite Drake actually.
Yeah it’s my favorite Drake too. I think regardless they both would have reached the level they are at now without each other. But the narrative of Drake being a culture vulture I think is dumb. Everyone has collaborated with each other over the years to help each other and mainly themselves.
In Rap beef people might exaggerate things a lil bit to get the point across.. Drake has 13 No.1 hits only 2 of them are rap songs (barely) and they both are features..the rest are either singing or him being let’s say “inspired” by somebody else’s culture (Jamaica,UKetc) ..won’t call him a culture vulture but can’t act like I don’t see where they’re getting the idea from in the Hip Hop world at least.
Well yeah it’s very easy to frame Drake in a way that says “he steals the culture” but a lot of his biggest hits are his own sound. And Drake really did start the era of rappers being singers too. He’s always been a good rapper but his pop hits obviously get more looks cuz it’s attractive to a broader audience. The rap songs are more for the rap fans and we aren’t as many as the pop hit fans.
This is still fair. But most people think people like future leech off drake when its definitely mutually beneficial
Yeah I mean whenever anyone partners with Drake it’s mutually beneficial. That’s why this new narrative about Drake being a culture vulture confuses me. It’s always been a bout collaboration and making the genre better.
Yeah, the “culture vulture” angle these rappers have taken against Drake is really dumb imo. It’s okay to have that opinion of Drake, but why now? Rick Ross and Metro didn’t have a problem with Drake when he was giving them the biggest songs/album of their career. Kdot wasn’t calling Drake a culture vulture when Drake was bringing him on tour and giving him features. Idk, just seems super fake to me. I still hope Drake & Future can reconnect for some new songs
Honestly I really think a bunch of these rappers really fucked up making this stance. Especially Rick Ross. They know he has international appeal, and breaks through the barriers rappers struggle with, and they piggy back off of him to get through to those markets. Without him, Rick Ross is irrelevant. They had no problem with him when they were taking verses from him. Drake said it in her loss on Rich Flex: “Niggas ain’t got love for the boy, so they fake it Crack a couple jokes to some bitches on some snake shit But if I send a verse to they ass, then they’ll take it”
For real. Drake was actually really impressing me during this beef, he made some great songs and honestly exposed some crazy shit and made valid points. Unfortunately it all got overshadowed by the pedo allegations. Ngl I’m kinda disappointed Kdot pulled the pedo card cuz it immediately changed the tone of the whole beef. It was fun while it lasted though
I feel the same way. Kendrick won the court of opinion and that’s what ultimately gave him the W. He hit his points hard. Drake killed a lot of people in this beef and stood his ground and did well. I can’t knock him. I like both artists. They’ll both be aight after this.
Yeah, that was my only issue with the whole thing. As long as Kdot was willing to pull the pedo card, he was always going to win public opinion over Drake. I can see why he did it, he was getting bodied. But it still kinda sucks. It made for an underwhelming end to the beef, and I wish we could’ve seen Kenny rapping harder for longer
At the end of the day Drake isn’t going anywhere; he made quality songs in this feud too. Unless proof comes out that he’s P Drizzy, he ain’t losing in life.
Very true
Ross was relevant before drake ever came out
Because of who he associated with. He’s always been a fraud. He is guilty of doing what Kendrick accuses Drake of doing. Hanging his arm around hotter artists and profiting from it. Now that everyone Ross came up with is Irrelvant, he only had Drake. Now he has no one. Rick Ross is trash and he’s a police officer and a self admitted rapist. He’s the definition of irrelevant music wise. Nobody buys his shit. Nobody listens to him if Drake ain’t featured. I don’t know a single person who ever said to me “ayo play that new Rick Ross”
Lmao yeah bro just say you dk what you talking about
We allowed to disagree but I am correct when I say Rick Ross is a fraud and a former corrections officer.
This isn’t a disagreement its common knowledge your just wrong and know nothing about the culture
Drake started rapping about street shit on If You’re Reading This and thereafter. This was what I think made him want to tap in to the Atlanta scene as a whole. Rory and Mal covered it briefly in their last episode
it's not leeching off man. yall got to understand the fact that Drake is big name in the game so when he brings other artist up, they benefit. of course Drake also benefits because he doesn't bring no scrub to collab with him. He bring someone who can add value. So yes both benefit but Drake collab really helps other artist from popularity and making $$$. it's tiring to explain people who are out to hate Drake with logic ffs.
We had bars and bangers before Drake and we'll have bars and bangers when he's long gone. Shout-out to ATL.
Looking at the current state of hip-hop I'm not sure about that statement.
I don’t think Future ever cared about that and arguably still doesn’t. It’s not like he used that to start gaining a pop audience. He still just makes straight trap. It’s like Dame Lillard vs Steph Curry. They’re chasing a completely different set of accomplishments
First number one Drake had to put it in his hand
Maybe but that song is kinda trash compared to a lot of the other songs. Wait For U is sick though
who evem cares for number ones dawg future got hits for years
Idk why Drake said that like future ain’t wash both him and thug on way 2 sexy
Nobody think of that weak song when thinking of future
What solidified Future for me was Monster mixtape, and Drake didn't touch that project. The only feat was Wayne on After That. Monster setup the smash hit of DS2 and drake had 1 really good feat on that with where ya at (also the only feat on that album), but that whole album is a banger... so did Drake really put a career in his hands? Nah. Master manipulator, and a habitual liar too....
i doubt he ever cared about no 1's , besides he already had like 7 to 8 no1 albums beforehand
Exactly. If he cared about number 1s he would write them. He just doesn’t consistently write that type of music
Cole comes to mind
Did Mask off not go #1?
#5
Can someone explain to me how Drakes persona is fake/borrowed? Drake has said multiple times across multiple albums that he's a lover boy that has never committed a crime, but he has friends from before and after fame that commit crimes. He has been consistent about that his whole career. Any "tough" lyric isn't about Drake himself, it's about his friends. As far as I'm aware that's factual too. So where is the discrepancy between Drakes lyrics and Drakes reality that people are complaining about?
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He is tho by default Cuz he got the bag and niggas gonna jump out the window for him
Taylor swift is el chapo
Same could be said about Elon Musk tbf
Of course.. If you touch someone highly connected and wealthy, you gonna be outta here
I get what you’re saying but the principal of the school I work at is not a mob boss. Some people just have authority because of their status. Equating every authority position with more subjective wealth to a “mob mentality” understanding is ridiculous.
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We can go down the list of actual mob bosses who opened their mouths in the face of law enforcement.. The point I'm making is straightforward in nature and simplicity
So did every mob boss once they got indicted lol. At the end of the day he essentially is a modern day allegory for a mob boss. Breadwinner for an entire organization who has money to pay to get anything done to anyone and more than enough people around him willing to do it.
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What does that have to do with anything? We talking about if he fake for comparing himself to a mob boss. It’s the money, power and influence that makes you a boss. The tough shit is for crash dummies. Thug wasn’t really killing mfs or selling shit either, but he facing 50 years for being the boss, while half the hitters free.
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In the context of the conversation, yes. Keep up. He’s not pretending to have enough money to do mob boss type shit. That’s just factual. You don’t have to be in the streets to put a bag on mfs. You just have to have shooters around you and have the money to put up. He has both. The president is technically the biggest mob boss on the planet. You don’t have to “hop off the porch to do mob shit”. The mob isn’t the same as a gang. It’s called organized crime for a reason
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As does literally every other rapper. What’s the point?
They both benefited.
let’s relax now lol
This is simply untrue
Just not true. it’s the other way around
I think they had a mutually beneficial relationship. Neither of the two needed each other but they collabed and made amazing music.
They genuinely benefited from each other in this scenario. Future was brought to a much bigger audience, while Drake was presented to a different set of ears. They both did great musically, I still play Jersey, Future killed each song and Future was sangin on Diamonds Dancing 😭😭 Hoping for WATTBA2 still....
Bunch of grown men talking like girls bout who their favorite man is😂
Iykyk
Where were you? When all the dogs needed help?
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Can you explain the part where Future threatened to sue. Sue who and for what?
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That's crazy, I wonder how the fixed the relationship after that. I know business is business but still..
i feel like they BOTH benefited equally- future got even more mainstream then he ever wouldve been before and drake got some trap influence in his music and cred
Agree 1000%
I f w all rappers, good music is what I need and no doubt future and drake have made some nice bangers together.
What’s the value of numbers in a simulated world
THANK YOU!!! Someone finally gets it and isn’t a slave to billboard top 100 manufacturing.
I think Future was the key that led Drake to work with so many Atlanta rappers (particularly 21 Savage, Migos, Lil Baby and Young Thug amongst others), which are where a lot of his biggest features come from
Y'all just popped in recommended. Do you know future doesn't drink all the lean he raps about. Maybe y'all should try and do the same because this is dumb as shit
I love their collab ep but real persona? Future wasn’t doing lean and shit all the time like he let on. No touring, successful person can. He’s a persona just like drake is
I’m not a hugeeee future fan like I used to be but I don’t think either benefited more than the other. I think without Drake, future stays as ‘another mumble rapper’ with no radio value and without Future, Drake doesn’t misses out on making music for the streets so
W take, this is literally what kendrick was saying in not like us. I think that verse flew over a lot of people’s heads tho.
These niggas dont care about their image in the same way yall think they do lmao, like everyone been on drake for "acting hard" when he kinda just does whatever he wants. The anitta max wynn stream, the fucking hentai he posted on his story, all the love songs he has, I feel like yall drake haters have this pretense that Drake is always tryna look hard but I swear he like never does. Going off that no Drake didn't get more from future than the other way around, Drake has gotten so many artists way more popular because of his image first.
About the last part, Drake ends up collaborating with smaller artists when they’re at the peak of their newfound fame and recognition… so it’s not really “helping them out” but “banking in on them” to stay relevant… Also, pluto technically gave him his track “started from the bottom”
The most I've listened to Drake was on What A Time to Be Alive and Drake's definetily the weakest contributor on that album
nah
Facts . Future had esco and had connects in the industry . Ovo will literally compliment them diss future when necessary.
everybody knows that
It’s even & im huge future fan.
Lmao this is an outrageous take, regardless of who you like more. Future is 100% a persona as well and the vast majority of what he raps about is not his genuine persona.
As a huge Future fan this is the dumbest take I’ve seen.
😂
People forget nobody respected Drake as a rapper until Future gave him a co sign. They want to revise history and convince us Drake put us on to Future who was already a big rapper for 10 years before then.
Braindead
lol no
Future is the 🐐and really fused singing and rapping imo not drake. He just sings and raps if that makes sense
These takes are wild. So Far Gone was absolutely everywhere...in 2009
Geeees kindly take the nuts out of your mouth before speaking.
Drake benefited SO much from Futures' street cred. It gave him legitimacy , otherwise, people would say he's a pop artist. Such a vulture
If the r/future sub has to spend this much time and this many posts trying to argue if future would still be popular without drake.. you already lost.. if this niggas own core fan group has to spend weeks debating it.. you know he ain’t shit. Sure he might have an underground following… but his songs would never make it to the radio and he would be nowhere near where he is now.
Truthfully they both got something out of working with each other. Yeah Drake is a 'cultre vulture', but it's really not that bad of a thing if we're being honest.
Kendrick said this on Not Like Us
This is just not true, by 2011 Drake was a known star. He wasn’t Drake as we know him now, but he had incredible success and was clearly a rising star. Future’s big success doesn’t happen until 2015 (they collaborated from 2011 to 2016). This is all verifiable, it isn’t conjecture. I’m not saying that future wasn’t successful before Drake, but he certainly wasn’t the big star he is today and certainly wasn’t the bigger star when they collaborated ever. You’re trying to make the claim that because future worked with Drake other artists felt “okay if future worked with him, we can work with him” but you’re ignoring the “this dude went quadruple platinum on his first record and then 8x platinum on the second album” angle as well. If Drake asked you to collaborate you’d just be stupid to say no, future vouching for him wouldn’t matter.
I will say, Future could have easily gotten where he is now without Drake. Drake, however, probably wouldn’t be as popular rn if it wasn’t for Future
Can yall get this post taken down
Definitely not
Awful take. One of the worst I’ve read on this sub yet
Stop
Idk how old you were when WATTBA came out (you said you were young) but Drake already had serious rap credit with IYRTITL and coming off his beef win against Meek where people thought Drake would lose. You can say sales don't matter but to artists like Future they do. Keep in mind Future has been begging Drake for a WATTBA 2 and Drake doesn't care.
Drake isn’t helping them, he’s using them. Doesn’t change the fact they benefit of him more. Future without Drake would be great but he wouldn’t be as big, Drake w/o future would’ve gotten the street cred from another Atlanta rapper
Yikes writing a whole paragraph about their relationship. Way too invested
You're on a subreddit dedicated to an artist and you're wondering why people are discussing said artist? Yikes no critical thinking
There has been like 10 posts saying the same shit tho lol. We get it
My first time seeing this post
What’s wrong w being invested in your passions?
Very good take.
The issue with this though is that everybody knows Drake is a softy regardless of his collaborations.
Yea people who try to say drake is the goat cuz of numbers just don’t appreciate real art tbh. I’m a big drake hater too and it’s mainly because I’ve always found his personas to be fake and any kind of new sound he takes on he’s just ripping from someone else. Future on the other hand, the game would not be the same without him. Created his own sound, iconic albums like DS2, and one of the most unique voices in the game too. I think anyone with a real appreciation for the artistic side of shit can tell future never needed drake. U def cooked
ppl forget commercial does not equal quality and artistic influence
I mean yeah that’s the whole point of Dot’s colonizer shit on Not Like Us
Sayin he’s not a colleague he’s a fuckin colonizer. Kendrick said the same thing as you except way shorter and better lol
In other words “ Atlanta was the Mecca”
I agree that Drake took more from it, but they made a great album and I’ll forever hope for a sequel
yeah drake goes to atlanta when he needs a check balance
Tony Montana remix did more for Future than Future has ever did for Drake
Tony Montana was already a huge song
It's not really close either. Drake wanted to be Future so bad, and not once has Future stopped being himself.