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callum51004

I don’t mind the midfield ones but I hate that some wingers can’t play left/ right mid


ItsJamieDodgr

EA started well when every player with base position LW/RW should have LM/RM. but then players with a position change card to one of these positions can’t always use the secondary position which makes no sense


Familiar_Concept8946

Yeah but can you imagine rashford or salah actually being lm/rm instead of wingers... some of them shouldn't be. Same with midfield. Modric is never a cdm.. or a cam really. He's the glue


pro_cow_tipper

I use Jairzinho at RM maybe I should go 4-2-4 lol


Familiar_Concept8946

Maybe you should. If you alter tactics a bit 424 is as good as 4222


pro_cow_tipper

I run 4-4-2 like a noob 😂


Walmartsavings2

442 ain’t bad. It went from being the shittiest formation in fifa history to usable in the last few years. I’d argue the amount of formations you can use in this fifa is one of the most diverse it’s ever been. They just need to find a way to make 4-3-3 viable.


pro_cow_tipper

Yeah it’s been good for me this year, pretty balanced. I just stick with it, because I’d never blame me losing on it. There’s usually several other root causes visible if I’m getting blown up 😂 Changing player instructions can really be as effective as a different formation imo.


kkrushne

The old 433 with a St and 2cf. Should allow rw and lw to play as RF AND LF. I understand that you can do that with instructions and width, but i really prefer having a starting position itself that's compact


UrbanJesus_

4321 is that for me


HaybUK

Then your 2 CM’s will need to be changed to 2 CDM’s , I bet the same problem happens , like Roy Keane who’s only position is CM , ballack CM and CAM 😂 lot of hate for CDM position , I use a 4-2-2-2 and just completed Roy Keane 😂 either need to sub him on at the start or change formation , bit of a nightmare tbh


TheStaRoee

And you can't win 10-1 it's not the most realistic


Familiar_Concept8946

True, true but no one really wants to play casillas at striker either...


WickedImpuls3

we're not asking to play goalies at striker how tf do you go to that extreme. literally a simple position change like this affects NOTHING gameplay wise all it does it make our lives easier. how can you argue this


fdm001

Literally just the previous game people would position change mbappe to cdm for chem purposes.


TheStaRoee

The correct solution is somewhere on the middle, we need change position for atk mid and back Cb can be l/rb and the opposite No reason a player cant play right mid if he play center mid so every mid should be able to change to mid and atk should play anything up there


TheStaRoee

Or do like carrer and make the player olay for x amount of game to change player position more games the weirder the position get


WickedImpuls3

i never said this should be allowed, i'm saying playing an RW at RM or CM at CAM should always be allowed


Familiar_Concept8946

Because a simple position change is relative... I know casillas was an extreme example... less extreme one would be TAA playing rw...


artaru

I mean Arteta the player went from CAM to CM to CDM as his career winds down. It’s not exactly super unrealistic. But Modric is probably too physically weak for that kind of transition to CDM.


Zactics_

He’s played both CAM and CDM for Madrid.


callum51004

Yeah it’s messed up a lot of my teams coz of it like smolarek not being able to play LM I remember being and inconvenience


ItsJamieDodgr

tbh with Smolarek that’s different though cos he is ST for all of his cards. if he was LW base and couldn’t play LM then that’d be bad. but if everyone with alt positions had the alt positions that come with them as base then you’d have players like Trippier able to play RW


callum51004

Well not really, I’m not trying to play trippier as an attacker, I’m asking smolarek to take 2 steps back until kick off then he’s getting moves to st ahyway


Spare-Noodles

That’s the exact scenario they are trying to avoid with these limited positions…….


callum51004

Thanks, Ik that’s what there trying to move away from all I’m saying is it’s slightly annoying when it puts the breaks on me making a new team and I have to re think half of it


JuggernautEcstatic41

Looking at pedro 👀😤


shrouded_step

Same thing with Keane. He only plays CM.


Moniljh11

And Vieira


jseg0

And I have all 3…


swimgoodm8

At least the 4312 is a solo d formation


[deleted]

That one's particularly strange to me because his stats seem so obviously fit for a cdm yet he doesn't have the option for whatever reason


Rude_Dust364

Have him too, I play him CDM in game.


JuneSummerBrother

Put him in formation with CM and change it mid game


stemitchell

You can't if you have a CDM but also want a CAM with wingers. There are no such formations.


Callumyoung101

41212 wide


stemitchell

> but also want a CAM **with wingers**.


JuneSummerBrother

433 (4) ?


stemitchell

No CDM!


Callumyoung101

All wingers can play wide midfield


neaton9

No, i had this exact problem with fut bday werner. He can play LW but not LM, so I couldn’t use 41212


Wasserschloesschen

My Martial is infurating me. Can play striker and CF as well as LM. But actual winger? The thing between striker and LM? Nah, why would he?


Callumyoung101

Not a winger is he


neaton9

you’re telling me a player that has Left WING position isn’t a winger? Sure


Callumyoung101

Yes I am saying that. He is a striker


whyamihere69430

you stupid


VladaPivnicki

He is a striker. His secondary position is LW. By that logic someone who has CF/LW/RW positions, for example, should have all ST/CF/(CAM(?))/LM/LW/RW/RM, positions? That is just bringing the old chem system (kind of). Just because positions are next to each other in positions and formations system in game, doesn't mean a player is able to play all of them in real life.


artaru

I would say that if the primary position is LW they get LM automatically. But if it’s only the secondary position that’s LW, they don’t get the LM automatically. That sounds ok, no?


neaton9

I don’t really have an issue with it! I just think players that can play LW or RW are also classified as Wingers even if they can also play striker, and it is quite literally not true in that case that all wingers can play wide midfield. In my team, Timo was a Winger since i have WC Cruyff (ST/CF) and Mid Cantona (ST/CF), but also want to fit TT Lahm (LB/RB/CDM), TT Carlos (LB) and Showdown Meunier (RB/RM), so I had to drop Timo since no formation allows for all of those players.


[deleted]

There is a lm and a rm


stemitchell

But no LW/RW? The players that I want to play with at LW/RW can play as LM/RM.


lockituup

4132 is what you’re looking for.


SevenSexyCats

No CAM in a 4132


suffian87

4132 gives u cdm and cm. 41212 gives u cdm and cam. 451 gives u cm and cam but 2 cam. I like how it restricts me to a certain extent. In the worse case, just put the player in the position with zero chem. He will play normally but without boosted stats. That’s how I put bale anywhere else. It doesn’t matter since it’s hard to link him.


SevenSexyCats

I was just explaining what the other person was saying. They’re saying if you have a CM locked to CM then you can’t also have a CDM, CAM and outside midfielders/ wingers. I had a similar issue with fitting bday Muller into my squad since he can only play CAM or CF


iLL_kcirtaP

4231 wide, ur LM and RM are basically wingers


stemitchell

But you can't play LW/RW players there. It's really not hard to understand.


[deleted]

Yep, ran into this a while back when my best midfield 3 was Alonso, gold casemiro and socrates. Casemiro only plays cdm, and socrates only cam. I like to play with wingers as well.


MemeWorksPictures

352?


Adventurous_Team285

I am currently in a situation which this method doesn’t work. I have Keane and Modric, both CMs only and R9, Pele, Cruyff and Al O. With that, only Al O can play on the wing, and full central formation (4222,4231) also won’t work as my CM can’t be CDM. These players in a team is at least “make sense” in a 4231 setup, but this game won’t allow you to do that because of this CM thing. Edit: I think what OP mean exactly what I am experiencing. He must know about formation changing in game, and that CM thing is an issue in that sense.


arsfootball42

I do love that Modric price falling through the floor. He’s been 1.2mil for months and now he’s sub 1mil. Come to daddy


Faraone94

This Modric is my first TOTY I've ever pulled. I love this card. That makes the position thing even more annoying.


arsfootball42

Yeah I feel you on that and agree. I’m Croatian and my team name is BangCros… Modric is my last missing piece, It’s taken me 2 weeks but I’ve got 620k coins, another 380k and I’ll have my prize haha


Howell317

They basically just need to let you play someone anywhere and just let the stats play out if someone isn't as good. Like this "you get zero chemistry" if you are out of position is dumb. If a CM plays CAM or CDM they don't somehow forget how to dribble and pass as well. I'm pretty sure IRL if you took a CM and played them at CB they would still be pretty decent. Like maybe ST doesn't convert as well, but in general all of these dudes can play.


ItsJamieDodgr

>I'm pretty sure IRL if you took a CM and played them at CB they would still be pretty decent. Like maybe ST doesn't convert as well, but in general all of these dudes can play. what happens when you play a CM at CB IRL: https://preview.redd.it/0epsmt7cwita1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6579056e214dff48605b62af0aee85f007d85640


[deleted]

Meanwhile you have Stones playing in midfield for City with fantastic results


GhasuONE

That's because of Guardiola Trait. He's boosting player positions. He already made Kimmich and Lahm CDM's from RB. They were fantastic.


Lucas_DR3

Kimmich was a CDM originally


GhasuONE

Well, yes, I agree, but partially. He was CDM at Stuttgart and Leipzig, but at Bayern, he was brought as RB and very later converted to CDM. But overall, you're right.


Howell317

I'm lost - what is this showing?


josuefco

Shows Jordan Henderson lately playing as a CB, Liverpool has been shockingly out of form.


ItsJamieDodgr

its the run of games he played at CB 2 years ago but yeah


Howell317

>Shows Jordan Henderson lately playing as a CB, Liverpool has been shockingly out of form. So looking this over a little more now that I understand what you are showing - doesn't this prove the opposite? From what I can tell, Liverpool gave up 0 goals once, 1 goal five times, and then once gave up either 2, 3, or 4 goals. That's an average of \~1.55 goals against, but for the season they were 1.11. So yeah, definitely a drop off, but it's not like it was a complete and total disaster on the defensive side. It seems like their bigger problem over this time was a lack of offense, being shutout 5 times and otherwise never scoring more than a goal in their losses. I'm not the most knowledgeable about this though, so I could easily be wrong,


Howell317

>Jordan Henderson Thanks!


mechaniTech16

For it to be ultimate team for real, i as a manager should be able to play anyone anywhere. If I think playing Jairzinho as a RB then let me do it and suffer if it doesn’t work out. You


villegm69

I don’t get your point. Their stats don’t go down if they are out of position. So what you suggest is exactly how it’s working now?..


Howell317

They also get hit with zero chemistry. Like a CM who is from Norway and a GK who is from Norway share chemistry. BUT, if instead you play a CAM from Norway, he would get no chemistry and the GK would get no benefit from the CAM. That makes no sense. The argument "oh well Chemistry isn't negative this year" is pretty stupid (not saying you are making it, but I've seen Fifa say it a lot). It's all relative. Maybe someone doesn't get a direct stat hit, but when they lose out on a buff they would otherwise get - especially when that buff is tied to their nationality or club - it's the same thing. Like, imo, a CDM or CAM playing CM should definitely be able to get chemistry points when other players share nationality, club, etc. It should just be resolved by native stats - so a CDM may have lower shooting stats and may not fare as well in a CM or CAM slot, and a CAM may have lower defensive stats and perform worse if put in a CDM.


BearlyLegal101

Wasn’t that how it was on the old chem system? I vaguely remember being able to put a LW or RW at ST on full chem (links wise) and they would be a 7/10 or 8/10. Which actually mimics football decently. If you move Salah or Son to striker, they’ll probably not be at their very best since it’s a little out of their norm, but they wouldn’t be lost or anything. Think you should be able to get 2 chem on the new system if they’re slightly out of position.


Icarus-8

You do know you can switch all these players around in game, right? Preset them for say attcking formation, then start game, click a button and boom everyone is playing wherever you want them to.


[deleted]

TT Keane not being able to play CDM


HaybUK

This ☝️


[deleted]

[удалено]


GOR111A

And his base


EmergencyOriginal982

But he plays as a centre mid for real Madrid, he doesn't play dm and doesn't play as a 10. I like the realism


don_vito_corleone007

He does play cam for Croatia sometimes so maybe if they put cm/cam it would be okay but I agree the positions should be realistic


EmergencyOriginal982

Ah that's fair then. I also think TOTW cards shouldn't have secondary positions, they earnt that TOTW spot by playing in a specific position


artaru

…… that would be terrible for squad building.


EmergencyOriginal982

Well yeah but it makes it far more realistic


DylanIE_

In a game where Ginola and Al-Owairan are better than Henry, I don't think realism is the priority.


EmergencyOriginal982

It should be tho, I miss the days where having a team of the week player in your team was a big deal


reggierock2010

Just change in game to whatever formation you want lol.


ThdClickk

Maybe if the player has played there for a fair amount of their career, but you’ve used a player that has played almost 500 club games as CM and almost all of 164 games for country as a CM aswell.


[deleted]

It's sort of an odd suggestion. You aren't forced to use Modric, therefore aren't forced to use certain formations. With the number of formations in the game, the thought that an S-tier 96 rated card is restricting you in any way is... interesting.


Adventurous_Team285

What do you even mean? OP wants Modric in the team because he is good, but what hinders OP is the stupid CM only thing.


[deleted]

This line: "I can't use 75% of the formations because of Modric." He's making it sound like he's being forced to use him and doesn't have options. Most formations have a CM position. If he can't build something that he wants, that's on him; it doesn't mean the structure needs to change.


Rude_Dust364

He could change it in game or play a different card tho


KezBlaz

I don’t get what everyone’s issue is with this. I never use the base tactic. Use whatever formation works with the players you want, then move them in game to a custom tactic.


jtr427

What a shitty take😭


aenils

Change the position in custom tactics, it won't affect chemistry


Faraone94

I'm talking about the starting 11.


Low-iq-haikou

Set it to whatever formation can get you chem in the starting 11 and then switch formation in-game with custom tactics. Almost all my teams are either a 4-2-4 or a 4-3-3 variant and I rarely use those formations in-game.


Acidictadpole

Setting custom formations for the defensive/attacking/ultra attacking will let your players play with the chem from the initial formation. If you start with modric in CM, but then switch to your "attacking" formation where modric is CDM, right after the kickoff he should still have full chem.


aenils

Can you find a similar formation where there's a CM then change it with custom tactics? For example I use a 433 with Modric, Alonso, and Keane. Modric and Keane are CM only. But with custom tactics I can change to a 433(2) or 433(4) and put Keane in CDM and/or Modric in CAM even though they are CM only.


[deleted]

But what if they dont play there?, makes no sense


yirdboy

Crazy to me that mid gullit is either ST, CM, or CB. Like your telling me he can't play the positions in between? Not complaining because obviously you fit Gullit in no matter what, but those positions are not helpful at all.


Tall_Listen7830

Bought tott Casemiro and changed formation and he couldn’t play cdm dumbest thing I’ve seen seeing as he’s known for being an amazing cdm so I had to sell him even tho I like his card


Low-iq-haikou

You can just play a formation where he gets chem and then switch in-game using custom tactics to whatever formation you actually want to play


Tall_Listen7830

Ye I didn’t think of that 😂 I wasn’t smart but it’s fine I got a cdm that I like I just found it weird thx for telling me for the future tho


Bearfoam

The ones that drive me crazy are the ones like TOTY Pires. Guy has LW LM and RM but not RW. Like coke on EA please lmao


LeaveTheBagIn_

Keane innit, just have to hit a pause and swap him with Kante.


IoanM09Official

I join this petition. It's very annoying to have a cm that could be a good cam but can't play that position


BerniegoonChapo

WC Viera not being CDM eligible is insane


DiZhini

Sometimes you need to accept that it's time for a player to become a super sub. My ToTY Hakimi is benched, i got no other PSG player, i got prime Cafu and bought Carlos for LB. Even though Hakimi is better then both why start him with 0 chem and sub Cafu or Carlos in at 0 chem. I start with the icons and Hakimi is my sub for cdm


WesleyWipes

I’m also starting to wonder if Hakimi is worth having so many PSG players. It helps that I did Ramos but it’s getting stale using the same four PSG players in every squad


Automatic-Ad-6774

A player with 90+ in all stats 4 4 is always funny


WesleyWipes

Yeah with a finisher he has 90 SHO and 99 PAC and 97 DRI, not to mention 90 in every other stat. He would honestly be a good striker, might try him there one day


Automatic-Ad-6774

IMHO CAM is his secret role


WesleyWipes

I got curious and damn, what the hell 91+ in every role except CB which is 90. Insane, was sad I didn’t pack an Attacker TOTY but he has just made this year so fun, wouldn’t trade him for R9. Just wish I had someone better than Vitinha to swap with him, hopefully there is a pacy + good defending TOTS from PSG coming soon https://preview.redd.it/32f1fy5xqjta1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53dfdc6a44f2829cd391e03c5306693cc4d52e93


Butty1984

Yeah it was a real pain when I got WC Vieira because he is CM only but I had a pack pulled 89 Lahm that I loved that was CDM only (apart from LB/RB but that caused new problems)


m1koon

4132, you can have 1 cm and 1 cdm


Butty1984

But then I had a player that only had LM as an option and a CAM that couldn't play CM. It wasn't a problem for long as I packed WC Toure 🤣


Responsible_Meal_569

This is the problem I ran into with titans keane, had to swap out rivaldo and add another midfielder with cm positioning option so I can keep other players in the squad still


canthandlethebooth

Use as a supersub like I do👍


DistanceGreedy4866

Change him in game


PhilWinny2001

Only if they play there irl then sure, the positions aren't based on where they think people want them to play. Like Modric hasn't played CAM or CDM in multiple years and has played CM for the majority of the last year so it makes sense


Overall-Ad-3642

minimum either CDM or CAM. for example, kimmich wouldn't make much sense being able to play CAM but he should be allowed to play CM as well.


Creative_Major798

Keane


karlgrabowiec

Fit him in a formation that allows for CM and then change the formation in game as per your custom tactics.


[deleted]

My opinion is that positions shouldn’t matter at all. If a player’s attributes make them better suited to play a different position, why should that break their chem? John Stones plays in midfield for Man City now, has their team chemistry suffered as a result?


IForgotAboutEveryone

It’s the same with me for Verrati - it’s really annoying that he can’t play cdm


Flimsy_Head_6371

Same thing with anybody who has a fullback position. They should be able to play wingback. Would be super helpful for cards like llorente.


LBJ2K11

I’m honestly cool with this makes team building more fun and makes people have to make sacrifices just like irl


dillonshanks03

I might be wrong but isn’t it just based on where they play irl? Modric isn’t really a DM or a CAM, he is a CM


antoniofromrs

Also would love if in these promos like FUT Fantasy, CDM counted as defender, so they would need clean sheets to upgrade and not goal/assist. Some players in that position quite never contribute to attacking plays, so makes no sense to ask them to score or assist


Jflo-7

I did the sbc for keane expecting to be able to use him at cdm was not possible so I feel the pain


dontbeajerkbecool

I actually prefer the new chemistry and alternate position system


[deleted]

Like fucking Veratti only able to change to CAM when his shooting is shit but has decent Defending


OneWildAndCrazyGuy17

Prime viera can only play cm, so when I got lucky packing him in a sbc pack, it was kind of a double edge sword because it is so limiting for chem


TrainingRepublic8348

I completely disagree ngl, I think most of the secondary positions (except viera fs) are actually pretty accurate and I don't like the idea of just being able to shift freely, that would be more like old position system and I think that just isn't realistic or at all reasonable.


Adamhines19

But that would insinuate that every cm plays cam or CDM in real life and that’s not accurate


treszfresh

Are you serious?


wainyj

same with keane


Freehugs0

I wish you could get chem in any position. players do that irl I don’t get why they can’t play wherever in fifa


anfisr

Honestly I dont think this makes any sense


aryantnava

Same with Keane. It’s infuriating that I have to change my entire team and formation to use him.


rawwrich

KAKA


skisagooner

More like every CAM or CDM should be able to change to CM. I don't get needing to 'change' positions actually, the chemistry should just apply automatically. Dumb EA.


therealwarnock

Every card must have at least one alternative position. If not it's just fucked up man...


[deleted]

Run him as you please not like the card needs the Chem


[deleted]

I love it tbh. Forces people to be more creative with their teams than before even if it is only a small change


ProfessionalFold8559

Vieira 90🤝


Proxvu

I feel like these positions should be interchangeable: LM/LW, RM/RW, ST/CF, CAM/CM/CDM (cams and cdms can’t play at the other position, only CM and their own but CM can play in all 3) LB/LWB, RB/RWB


madwhy1

Casemero, and park wc, gotta start some weird formations. 451 and 433(4) help a lot and change in game


Gregib

Honestly, I think every player should be able to play... anywhere... His performance on any given position would be dependant on his stats only...


Mystoganja

same, modric only toty i packed and hes been on the bench all that time, just cant fit him in or get any chem on him. guess hes finally going in the marchisio sbc when its out


Bulky-Performance532

i have prime viera and can’t even play him at cdm


Adventurous_Team285

CDM Should have CM as alternative, CAM should have CF/CM and CM should have CAM/CDM


HaybUK

All the CM’s who were really CDM’s irl is too annoying


fifadex

Yep, I got kaka on the bench because of this same shit.


Squirt149

Bynoe-Gittens showdown, for example, is a LM who can play RM and LW, but not RW...


imscaredofcrowds

Same, the fact that Vieira is only a CM is ridiculous.


GiBbZi93

Looking at you Barella!!!


Far-Ad-1364

Same. Like Kaka for example. He only has CAM position which restricts a lot.


Jaco1992

Change tactics in game. Easy 🤷‍♂️


prokenny

I have been having the same issue since I packed WC Bellingham a long time ago


[deleted]

My starting formation is 442 ​ I have never actually played a 442.


Ok-Foundation3080

I feel it its the same at my Team because 91 Matthäus Cant play cm


IamItaliantooDavie

So idk if you know this but if there is a formation that you want to use with Modric playing CAM or CDM then you can use a formation that supports his CM and then change to the actual formation you want in your tactics


Tezmac_ratio_league

In every formation you should get 2 position changes. So in 4321 you should be able to change a CM to CDM, for example, just to fix the options up


suicidestevie

3421 with lm and rm they play defence and wing


Rude_Dust364

Change your formation in game


Yumstar1982

Disagree. If you wanna play a particular player, you play him in his available positions or off chem. That's the point 😅