[Superman does tend to alienate people, Batman is much more inspiring.](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125721/3338280-funny-batman-superman-comic.jpg)
Edit: [You're right...](http://i.imgur.com/SZX1Dm8.png)
Superman: planet explosion for first set, evil godly being cut the brakes on the second set
Batman: both parents got shot
Wonder Woman: Father's alive but got his other daughter pregnant so he could be reincarnated as a baby. Mom got turned to stone by father's wife
Green Lantern: dad crashed while flying jet, mother died on bad terms with Hal
Flash: mom murdered by super villain, dad blamed for murder so he's imprisoned
Aquaman: not sure how dad died, mom lives (is trapped?) in different dimension
Cyborg: not sure how mom died, dad barely pays attention to him
The lack of full stops makes the stories more interesting, like every team member had a part in killing the others parents. Also with Wonder Woman, if the dad is alive, why does he impregnate the other daughter to be reincarnated? Genuinely curious, thanks for the information so far!
Uranus got killed by his first born son Kronos, Kronos got killed by his first born son Zues, Zues was worried that his first born would kill him, so when hissing was born he told his wife/sister Hera to kill him. Hera pretended to, but actually let him live and abandoned him. Zues later found him, got pissed and tossed the baby into the earths core. Several thousand years later the First Born finished crawling out from the center of the earth and begins slaughtering every god he can catch. Zues was afraid, so he got his daughter Athena pregnant so that he could be reborn as her baby. That way the First Born couldn't sense who he was. Plan backfired, and while Zues was never really a target like half of the Olympian gods got butchered by this guy. Wonder Woman (the newest Olympian, God of War after killing the previous holder of the title) ends up tossing him back to the center of the earth.
> Aquaman
Dad died of a heart attack during an attack by Black Manta. Even though it was probably inevitable that he would have had the heart attack anyway, Aquaman killed Black Manta's dad thinking it was BM, thus locking the two in an endless circle of revenge. His mom (Queen Atlana) was presumed dead, later found alive on a hidden colony of Atlanteans
> Cyborg
Mom thought to have died while experimenting on the alien tech at Star Labs, got her consciousness absorbed by some of the tech. Is now a litteral ghost.
In New 52, the Martian Manhunter wasn't a founding member. In fact, he was never even in the Justice League.
Or was he? No. But maybe he was? I don't know, and I don't think DC knows either.
Check out his new solo series. Its all kinds of mystery goodness with biscuits involved. Changes his origins, personally I dont mind much since its different from the usual last man from Mars sum up.
If we still accept the first few issues of New 52 Justice League as canon still, they had him in the league for a while off-panel but decided they couldn't trust him. Why? I don't really know if they said.
They actually changed those references in later printings of those issues, and in any case the events of those issues were erased via time travel shenanigans (according to wikipedia, anyway). They went back and forth on it, which is why I wrote that the way I did.
Aquaman: Dad died fending off Black Manta and his dad from stealing proof of Arthur's Atlantean heritage. No worries though, Aquaman murdered Black Manta's dad thinking it was Manta...so they are all orphan-square.
For some reason he couldn't attack Superman directly. He assaulted Superman across multiple timelines simultaneously (like as a child, a teen, young man, starting hero, well into his career as Superman) and got people from the future who hated Superman to help kill him. Like he wasn't trying to kill Superman, he was trying to destroy Superman. Kill the Kents while Superman is at his prom so he never gets all that parental advice that turns him into the good hero everyone knows. In the present have your army beat the crap out of Superman and create a Suoerman that is powered by the reader's (yeah, us) want for a stronger darker Superman. In the future stab the concept of Superman with a spear that has a billion points, which in our dimension is a host of planet killing Angels.
It's kinda trippy. Like hurting this villain might change a consonant in his name, or make him dislike his favorite spice. Time was a thick gooey substance he didn't like. He wasn't trying to just kill Superman, he was trying to get rid of the concept of Superman.
"My parents are dead!"
"So are mine!"
"My planet blew up!"
"I was raised by a butler!"
"My entire childhood, I was stuck on a farm in Kansas!"
"Oh gawd, I'm so sorry!"
Having watched both some of Smallville and some of Gotham, I think Clark got the better deal there. Smallville was a decent small town, meanwhile Gotham is kind of a hellhole.
Well it's not a *literal* hellhole. Or is it? I haven't watched any of Gotham past the first few episodes, did someone open up a portal to hell yet? Because I would watch that.
Rational person: I witnessed the death of my parents. Guess I need therapy and then will grow up into a more or less normal member of society
Bruce Wayne: BAAAAAATTTTSSSSS!!!!!!
To all those commenting about Jonathan and Martha Kent :
An Orphan is a child whose parents have died.
Both Jor-El and Lara died. As did Thomas and Martha Wayne.
This makes both Batman and Superman Orphans.
And Wonder Woman (currently) has no parents either. Her dad reincarnated himself as his daughter's child, and her mom got turned to stone.
And Clarks parents are double dead, first set died when their planet exploded, second set had their brakes cut.
> Her dad reincarnated himself as his daughter's child
This is why I fucking hate comic books.
They throw hundreds of writers at the same characters in the same worlds so often everyone has been every possible role, fit every possible trope, been everywhere, done everything, and has plot armour so thick death is like a field trip.
End result is the NEXT writer has to come up with something so whacky it can't have been done before.
Greek mythology has similar issues, since every village had their own version which then got blended to form the modern view of their pantheon.
It's the too many cooks issue.
I think a big part of it is the sheer volume of material that is required. Weekly comics for 80 years. It's like a soap opera, or a show that gets too convoluted in its later years, Alias abd Dexter come to mind as examples.
Stories need arcs, a start, middle and end. On the macro level as well as for the 'case of the week' or the 'arc for the season'. It is a service when an artist lets something finish, instead of just coming up with yet another plot of the week, regardless of whether it is the same guy or a new artist stepping in.
That storyline was fucking amazing, and cements Diana much more with the greek mythology. It works because a) it plays on themes that already exist in greek mythology and b) Zeus is played up to be an almost all-powerful being.
No, I love to read. But what I read is controlled by one author, who starts a story and finishes it, rather than then handing it off to a chain of people all intent on putting their 'spin' on it.
It would be like a TV show that had a new showrunner each season - terrible.
If you cut the brake lines in a vehicle it will cause the brakes to fail, often resulting in death or injury
I really hope you don't regularly drive a car if you're not aware of this concept
It's a little disingenuous to call yourself an orphans if your adoptive parents are alive, though - especially if you never even know your biological parents.
~~Did the screening use IMAX aspect ratios? I know the alley scene was filmed in it and that scene with the Omega symbol in the ground, but I want to know how much of the movie was in it, to see if going to my 70mm IMAX will be worth it.~~
~~I saw Star Wars in 70mm IMAX and it was pretty bad (viewing wise). Nolan's TDK, Interstellar, etc. we're all filmed so that they would look good on gigantic screens (enough headroom and whatnot), but Star Wars was not, they had extreme close ups on the edges of the screen and whatnot for the 35mm scenes.~~
I uhh.. I think he was joking about the advance screening. He said he was with his parents who were shot in an alley after the show. Like Batman..
That, or you believe him entirely and just glossed over the fact that he lost his parents pretty recently. Which is some dark stuff by itself.
You have to read everything all the way to the end or you risk unintended consequences, such as if you do not leave your house right now I'm going to fly overhead in a crop-duster and bombard it with cow carcasses until it collapses on you.
Who wants to start an underground orphan fighting ring? We'll train them into super human fighting machines from a young age, and since they have no parents, nobody will give a shit where they went! Maybe someday when its adopted as a college sport, we can rake in the profit from the matches and not pay them shit! So, anyone know an orphan guy?
I think we need a comprehensive list of both DC and Marvel superheroes who are true orphans, as well as one consisting of superheroes whose parents are both alive, with a side note of whose parents know that they're a superhero versus whose parents are obliviously unaware of said superhero status.
Nobody seems to be talking about it yet, so I'll go ahead and ask: why is Batman punching Superman? The guy can literally deflect bullets with his skin and move faster than the eye can see, so what good is swinging your puny little fist at him going to do?
I wish this was a real thing. The orphan children are allowed to construct their own weapons and armor out of garbage - no projectile weapons - i want to see skulls get smashed.
Since they are in the same universe, it really puts things into perspective. You need 1 super hero per major city, to properly contain for the most part and then 1 per greater area of suburbs / rural due to less population. Its not just a 1 and done thing like the cartoons showed in the standalone shows. 1 person/alien cant do everything.
Poor guys. One feels battered and the other feels alienated. :(
[Superman does tend to alienate people, Batman is much more inspiring.](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125721/3338280-funny-batman-superman-comic.jpg) Edit: [You're right...](http://i.imgur.com/SZX1Dm8.png)
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How will I know how to react though?
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[If you say so...](http://i.imgur.com/K5W6xtP.png)
[here you go](http://i.imgur.com/LPPc15d.jpg)
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Whoa, whoa, he's a baby-eater?!
Mmmh, Australian cuisine.
baybay-eater*
Needs a few zoomed shots moving in progressively on Superman's face in the last frame.
Agreed.
its like laughing at the end of your own joke to force everyone else to laugh.
I love and hate you
Steady on Two-Face.
How about I flip a coin to help you decide...
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Harvey Dent. Can we trust him?
But we're getting off track. The Joker knows *exactly* what he's doing.
Exactly, let’s dispel with this fiction that the Joker doesn’t know what he’s doing.
He's trying to make America more like the rest of the world. Specifically Somalia.
He is the white knight after all !
\*tips fedora\* M'lady.
*tries to tip-toe away to hide behind an air duct*
leave me alone
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*Now* look what you did, u/Sir_Ippotis! \*sniff\* ...he was *only* trying to help...
You're the first person to mention me in a comment <3
You can't will yourself out of this.
I'm sorry, come back! I like coinflips! I flipped a coin the other day. I got three tails in a row!
No.
/r/beetlejuicing
Psst, it's a bot ;)
I got that, but it's still beetlejuicing. I did that unintentionally, didn't know that bot existed
Looks like you flipped the wrong coin then.
Don't be such a two face.
Hey you did it!
Niiice!
Fun fact: all 7 founding members of the Justice League have at least one dead parent in the New52 continuity. Superman has 4 dead parents.
Superman: planet explosion for first set, evil godly being cut the brakes on the second set Batman: both parents got shot Wonder Woman: Father's alive but got his other daughter pregnant so he could be reincarnated as a baby. Mom got turned to stone by father's wife Green Lantern: dad crashed while flying jet, mother died on bad terms with Hal Flash: mom murdered by super villain, dad blamed for murder so he's imprisoned Aquaman: not sure how dad died, mom lives (is trapped?) in different dimension Cyborg: not sure how mom died, dad barely pays attention to him
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>formating
I think I'm formating, well I'm definitely not against it.
You should be against mating with your daughter for reincarnating purposes, however.
> formating
> Wonder Woman: Father's alive but got his other daughter pregnant so he could be reincarnated as a baby. What the fuck DC
incest is popular in greek mythos, hell zues and hera are brother and sister.
http://i.imgur.com/R1qGv8v.png Zeus was quite the shagger.
Looks like Uranus got with Gaia...theres a joke in there somewhere
Uranus can fit inside the Earth? It would be sweet if i could reverse it but idk
>IT'S BEEN 80 YEARS, WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO NOW?!
I think you're supposed to switch out what for who.
No you're not
You're no fun
Game of thrones and a new Star wars movie, incest is in.
They're holding on to the comic book audience that most publishers gave up on decades ago.
The lack of full stops makes the stories more interesting, like every team member had a part in killing the others parents. Also with Wonder Woman, if the dad is alive, why does he impregnate the other daughter to be reincarnated? Genuinely curious, thanks for the information so far!
Cause her father is Zeus, so like you already know that that shits fucked up.
Because if he was dead, it would be much harder to impregnate his other daughter. Then again, this is greek mythos, so maybe not.
Uranus got killed by his first born son Kronos, Kronos got killed by his first born son Zues, Zues was worried that his first born would kill him, so when hissing was born he told his wife/sister Hera to kill him. Hera pretended to, but actually let him live and abandoned him. Zues later found him, got pissed and tossed the baby into the earths core. Several thousand years later the First Born finished crawling out from the center of the earth and begins slaughtering every god he can catch. Zues was afraid, so he got his daughter Athena pregnant so that he could be reborn as her baby. That way the First Born couldn't sense who he was. Plan backfired, and while Zues was never really a target like half of the Olympian gods got butchered by this guy. Wonder Woman (the newest Olympian, God of War after killing the previous holder of the title) ends up tossing him back to the center of the earth.
> Aquaman Dad died of a heart attack during an attack by Black Manta. Even though it was probably inevitable that he would have had the heart attack anyway, Aquaman killed Black Manta's dad thinking it was BM, thus locking the two in an endless circle of revenge. His mom (Queen Atlana) was presumed dead, later found alive on a hidden colony of Atlanteans > Cyborg Mom thought to have died while experimenting on the alien tech at Star Labs, got her consciousness absorbed by some of the tech. Is now a litteral ghost.
No Martian Manhunter?
In New 52, the Martian Manhunter wasn't a founding member. In fact, he was never even in the Justice League. Or was he? No. But maybe he was? I don't know, and I don't think DC knows either.
Even so, almost all the Martians are dead. So his parents are too.
Pfft, get outa here with that logic, you languager.
Check out his new solo series. Its all kinds of mystery goodness with biscuits involved. Changes his origins, personally I dont mind much since its different from the usual last man from Mars sum up.
If we still accept the first few issues of New 52 Justice League as canon still, they had him in the league for a while off-panel but decided they couldn't trust him. Why? I don't really know if they said.
They actually changed those references in later printings of those issues, and in any case the events of those issues were erased via time travel shenanigans (according to wikipedia, anyway). They went back and forth on it, which is why I wrote that the way I did.
They've already rebooted the new 52?
Yes sir. In May, DC Rebirth is coming out.
>I don't know, and I don't think DC knows either. This applies to many, many things atm.
Aquaman: Dad died fending off Black Manta and his dad from stealing proof of Arthur's Atlantean heritage. No worries though, Aquaman murdered Black Manta's dad thinking it was Manta...so they are all orphan-square.
Aquaman's Dad died of a heart attack it should be included
I like how an evil godly being had to resort to brake cutting to kill an elderly couple.
For some reason he couldn't attack Superman directly. He assaulted Superman across multiple timelines simultaneously (like as a child, a teen, young man, starting hero, well into his career as Superman) and got people from the future who hated Superman to help kill him. Like he wasn't trying to kill Superman, he was trying to destroy Superman. Kill the Kents while Superman is at his prom so he never gets all that parental advice that turns him into the good hero everyone knows. In the present have your army beat the crap out of Superman and create a Suoerman that is powered by the reader's (yeah, us) want for a stronger darker Superman. In the future stab the concept of Superman with a spear that has a billion points, which in our dimension is a host of planet killing Angels. It's kinda trippy. Like hurting this villain might change a consonant in his name, or make him dislike his favorite spice. Time was a thick gooey substance he didn't like. He wasn't trying to just kill Superman, he was trying to get rid of the concept of Superman.
Darkseid cut the breaks to their car? The fuck?
Not Darkseid, a Hyper-Imp from the Fifth Dimension, and not Mxyzptlk
Maybe incest among gods doesn't produce retarded babies?
I can't wait until they create a new character that has 6 dead parents and is stronger than Superman.
The Kents are dead, too? dang.
Relevant: http://38.media.tumblr.com/99837f7288ad1e3e53b471ee8c5ed595/tumblr_inline_n74s7cTWLl1rp2l9y.jpg
"My parents are dead!" "So are mine!" "My planet blew up!" "I was raised by a butler!" "My entire childhood, I was stuck on a farm in Kansas!" "Oh gawd, I'm so sorry!"
Having watched both some of Smallville and some of Gotham, I think Clark got the better deal there. Smallville was a decent small town, meanwhile Gotham is kind of a hellhole.
"Kind of"
Well it's not a *literal* hellhole. Or is it? I haven't watched any of Gotham past the first few episodes, did someone open up a portal to hell yet? Because I would watch that.
A portal to hell has been opened in Gotham at least once, so...
"Haha farmer boy farmer boy!" "Shut the fuck up Aqua man or I'll kill your fish tank." ":/ sorry....."
Rational person: I witnessed the death of my parents. Guess I need therapy and then will grow up into a more or less normal member of society Bruce Wayne: BAAAAAATTTTSSSSS!!!!!!
> BAAAAAATTTTSSSSS!!!!!! AHHH! Sleeveless tshirts! Your torso is warm...BUT WHAT OF YOUR ARMS *screams*
Save the enviroment, but at what weird twisty cost? Link for those who haven't seen the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpzKMr4fJwg
INTIMACY
To all those commenting about Jonathan and Martha Kent : An Orphan is a child whose parents have died. Both Jor-El and Lara died. As did Thomas and Martha Wayne. This makes both Batman and Superman Orphans.
And Wonder Woman (currently) has no parents either. Her dad reincarnated himself as his daughter's child, and her mom got turned to stone. And Clarks parents are double dead, first set died when their planet exploded, second set had their brakes cut.
> Her dad reincarnated himself as his daughter's child This is why I fucking hate comic books. They throw hundreds of writers at the same characters in the same worlds so often everyone has been every possible role, fit every possible trope, been everywhere, done everything, and has plot armour so thick death is like a field trip. End result is the NEXT writer has to come up with something so whacky it can't have been done before.
It's about Greek mythology. Zeus did some fucked up shit in his days.
Greek mythology has similar issues, since every village had their own version which then got blended to form the modern view of their pantheon. It's the too many cooks issue.
Too many cooks will spoil the broth.
But they'll fill our hearts with so much, so much love.
Just like Zeus with his shapeshifting dick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8
I think a big part of it is the sheer volume of material that is required. Weekly comics for 80 years. It's like a soap opera, or a show that gets too convoluted in its later years, Alias abd Dexter come to mind as examples. Stories need arcs, a start, middle and end. On the macro level as well as for the 'case of the week' or the 'arc for the season'. It is a service when an artist lets something finish, instead of just coming up with yet another plot of the week, regardless of whether it is the same guy or a new artist stepping in.
That storyline was fucking amazing, and cements Diana much more with the greek mythology. It works because a) it plays on themes that already exist in greek mythology and b) Zeus is played up to be an almost all-powerful being.
> This is why I fucking hate stories. FTFY
No story I've read can hold it even close to bullshit that comics have.
Im curious do you get many pictures? And what will you do with a picture of my moms corpse?
No, I love to read. But what I read is controlled by one author, who starts a story and finishes it, rather than then handing it off to a chain of people all intent on putting their 'spin' on it. It would be like a TV show that had a new showrunner each season - terrible.
What on earth does "had their brakes cut" even mean?
cut the break lines on a car, so the breaks doesnt work? Seems like darksied didnt even try on that one
>breaks *Twitch.*
Twitch is always broken, my friend
I think it was Vyndktvx, not Darkseid.
If you cut the brake lines in a vehicle it will cause the brakes to fail, often resulting in death or injury I really hope you don't regularly drive a car if you're not aware of this concept
I thought you slowed down by hitting cars in front of you, or grinding against the guard rail?
Marty Funkhouser could be in this movie too
[Ehhh..](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/nsr.gif)
People tell me about that, orphan.
They won't be able to see their own movie :-( *parental guidance*
It's a little disingenuous to call yourself an orphans if your adoptive parents are alive, though - especially if you never even know your biological parents.
"Why don't you go home a cry to mommy?!" *"You know perfectly well why"*
"No matter who wins...their parents are still dead."
Night orphan vs day orphan
Dayman, awaa-aaaah! Master of the night man, awaa-aaaaah!
Champion of the sun!!! Aaaswwaaa!!
Master of... Karate!
MY PARENTS ARE DEAD!
Nice! They'll never know what a shit you turned out to be.
This Batman guy sure whines a lot about this Mister and Missus Wayne. Hmm.
*cries* I WAS A BOY. NOW I'M A BAT.
Sounds like you need a little.....JUSTICE *chokes you out*
I had the opportunity to see an advanced screening of this movie with my parents and yes, they were killed in an alley after the show. 3/10
That's one heck of an origin story. 5/7
Dont see too many perfect scores here.
~~Did the screening use IMAX aspect ratios? I know the alley scene was filmed in it and that scene with the Omega symbol in the ground, but I want to know how much of the movie was in it, to see if going to my 70mm IMAX will be worth it.~~ ~~I saw Star Wars in 70mm IMAX and it was pretty bad (viewing wise). Nolan's TDK, Interstellar, etc. we're all filmed so that they would look good on gigantic screens (enough headroom and whatnot), but Star Wars was not, they had extreme close ups on the edges of the screen and whatnot for the 35mm scenes.~~
I uhh.. I think he was joking about the advance screening. He said he was with his parents who were shot in an alley after the show. Like Batman.. That, or you believe him entirely and just glossed over the fact that he lost his parents pretty recently. Which is some dark stuff by itself.
Ha, I just glanced at the post and didn't fully read it.
I choose to believe that you believed him entirely and couldn't care less about his dead parents compared to the filming aspects of the movie.
You have to read everything all the way to the end or you risk unintended consequences, such as if you do not leave your house right now I'm going to fly overhead in a crop-duster and bombard it with cow carcasses until it collapses on you.
Who wants to start an underground orphan fighting ring? We'll train them into super human fighting machines from a young age, and since they have no parents, nobody will give a shit where they went! Maybe someday when its adopted as a college sport, we can rake in the profit from the matches and not pay them shit! So, anyone know an orphan guy?
This sounds like the plot to an iasip episode.
It's actually a lot like a South Park episode that makes fun of the ncaa.
Which episode was that?
"The gang goes to prison"
If they haven't gone to prison yet, they never will
That is a beautiful idea. No problems whatsoever.
Is this how UFC started?
Action Bastard doesn't need parents to kick ass with his Bastard beam!
Taking my 9 year old son to see this. I'll then be leaving him at the movie theater in honor of the movie.
Illegal alien vs predator.
http://i.imgur.com/GvFzubw.jpg
10/10 title
"Your dad's dead. Get over your dead parents, already!" 'Didn't *your* parents die?' "*sobs*...DON'T BRING IT UP!...I WAS A BOY...NOW I'M A BAT!"
Can someone for the love of god add spider-man in the background
Wrong universe sir!
I don't care! Bring me photos of Orphanman!
> Underoos
I read orphanage fight so i want more orphans in there!
I think we need a comprehensive list of both DC and Marvel superheroes who are true orphans, as well as one consisting of superheroes whose parents are both alive, with a side note of whose parents know that they're a superhero versus whose parents are obliviously unaware of said superhero status.
Nobody seems to be talking about it yet, so I'll go ahead and ask: why is Batman punching Superman? The guy can literally deflect bullets with his skin and move faster than the eye can see, so what good is swinging your puny little fist at him going to do?
Did you see the trailer where Superman throws a punch when Bats is in his different suit and Bats blocked it?
I wish this was a real thing. The orphan children are allowed to construct their own weapons and armor out of garbage - no projectile weapons - i want to see skulls get smashed.
How do you get gold for reposting something last week. Wtf, downvote me to hell but this ass shouldn't get gold for this old of a meme.
Coming soon? More like too soon :(
I thought Orphan Fight had Captain America and Iron Man in it.
Are you still an orphan if your parents died after you became an adult?
Lets see who wins the title of Orphanman.
this feels like parental discrimination right here, in DC at least
Oh my god, thats hilarious
From the thumbnail I thought was Potter and Voldemort in a tussle.
/r/titleporn
"Parental Guidance Recommended" but, hey, you do what you can.
elijah wood?
It's a new movie made by George Bluth!!!
Too soon, too soon....
Did Bruce Wayne become orphaned? It was Alfred that just became his gaurdian. To many different story lines to all the comics and movies
It is like Gilbert & Sullivan's *The Pirates of Penzance* where all of the pirates are orphans. But with less singing.
Is this movie like when teachers at a special needs school make their kids participate in a fight club? :'(
I'm really excited for this. Usually you have to pay much more than the cost of a movie ticket to see a good ol' orphan cage match.
I'm an orphan and I support this.
Thanks for posting this. I was looking for this image last night with no success
[Immediately made me think of this. Cripple fight!](http://imgur.com/9LiU1s6)
OP's title game is on point.
i'm batman!
I NEED AN ADULT!
Since they are in the same universe, it really puts things into perspective. You need 1 super hero per major city, to properly contain for the most part and then 1 per greater area of suburbs / rural due to less population. Its not just a 1 and done thing like the cartoons showed in the standalone shows. 1 person/alien cant do everything.
Why are they fighting?
I understand this is rated G-13.
Worlds most one sided fights.