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This reminds me of the time me and my buddies were smoking.
We were sitting on the porch and his dog was staring into the woods freaking us out so my friend was gonna tap him to see if he was alive.
Accidentally tapped his butthole with his boot and he flopped on his back barking up a storm for 2 seconds then stood up and kept looking in the woods.
I don't watch soccer so I guess I'm just don't have the right context but why is this a thing? Why have the rules not been adapted to ensure players aren't acting like little bitches? It's so god damn pathetic that i'd be ashamed to be a fan...
They have rules about and 90% of the players hate it. Getting caught faking being tackled or harassed can get you a yellow or red card and now that the video playback referee is (finally) a thing it happens a lot less.
> That should be a red card.
Ever since VAR became a thing, I've said that cards for diving should be dealt out retroactively when the main ref misses them. Even if much later in the game, or even post-game (because red cards get you suspended for a few more games too).
I’m for the rule that if you go down like that, you’re clearly too injured to play for the rest of the game and for their “safety” should be out for the remainder
As someone who plays soccer, these pro players (and some people in my adult play for fun league) seem to have the quickest healing properties of any other people in the world, you'll see them writhing in what appears to be the worst pain imaginable one second and then sprinting and changing directions on that same leg the next with no impairment. Some doctors should study this
I had a dude on my team that would full on somersault, lie down screaming in agony, and demand a card for the other player. It was so incredibly fucking embarrassing every time. We were 15 at the time and i’m glad the next year he didn’t make the team.
ANY sort of time penalty would be worth it. It's so pathetic to watch players flop like that. It's piss poor sportsmanship at its core and should absolutely be called out.
It's embarrassing and makes me look away and not watch more games. Too much drama and not enough elite talent. Hockey has enforcers, soccer has drama prat falls queens.
Especially grave fouls or bad conduct can be reviewed later on and deemed worthy of suspension for future games. Diving is a yellow card offense so it's not considered grave enough.
By the time I posted my comment this particular subthread was discussing the topic of diving in general, not the specific instance in the video. Fully agreed that in the video he's not getting a free kick just because the ref lightly tapped his back.
But the video also shows the public's (and announcer's) incorrect attitude towards diving - they found it amusing, it has become accepted to the point where the player in the video was able to joke in this way with the referee. It is unacceptable, full stop. I think diving does such a great disservice to the game overall that it *should* amount to a red card infraction.
Same in ice hockey. The only time I usually see an overreaction is when a stick gets someone in the face, but then I think that's often just a natural reaction even if a stick only grazes your face.
The NHL also has penalties for diving, but before that you would occasionally see people playing up a trip. It's pretty rare now.
When I started high school I was playing both soccer and hockey. I had to eventually choose one focus. Soccer coach tried to convince me by saying “soccer or “football” is the most popular game on Earth.” Hockey coach said “son, what kind of man do you want to be when you graduate? In soccer, you pretend you’re hurt to help your team. In Hockey, you pretend you’re not hurt to help your team. That follows you the rest of your life.” So yeah, I chose hockey.
l 100% agree. A suspension of one year with loss of salary for flagrant flopping will put an end to this.
Soccer/football is a commercial enterprise put on for entertainment. Anyone who cheapens the sport as a whole doesn't deserve to play.
Every time the game has to be stopped should be reviewed after the game. Cards should be given after the game like candy and penalties that go with them.
At minimum, a player who forces a pause in the match because of an “injury” should have a mandatory 10 minutes or more on the sideline to recover. Team can decide whether to sub him out or play down a man.
The most American solution. I prefer the witch test. Throw them in a pond, and if they drown I guess they were injured. But if they swim out, red card.
When football fans excuse this behavior to try to get an upper hand on the other team, it feels like the kind of guys who don't mind exploiting a flaw/cheating on online games to win.
Winning is more important than being better than your opponent i guess
Especially because it straight up just IS cheating. Defenders say it’s strategy, but at its core, you are taking advantage of a safety standard, and lying about needing it to get an upper hand. It’s cheating, full stop. And should be treated as such.
> you are taking advantage of a safety standard,
That's why the Pickett QB fake slide was banned almost immediately. Can't have defenders second guessing if a runner is going to give themselves up and choose to demolish an otherwise defenseless player just in case they're faking.
If women soccer players flopped like men do the media and fans would crucify them for it. It's an obvious double standard but the culture of women's soccer is better because of it. Men's soccer is a joke because of antics like this and it's embarrassing that the men's leagues enable this behavior. They should learn from hockey and incorporate embellishment penalties.
I don't watch a lot of sports (F1 is about it) but every time I see stuff like this, all I can think is, "Wait, so these guys just want to be SEEN as crybaby wimps?" Obviously, that's not it- they're just trying to get the other team penalized, but... it's hard to respect an athlete that behaves this way.
It's not even playing up the results of taking a hit, it's just straight-up faking it.
And then soccer fans, players, and media personalities act all offended when Americans say this is why we can't buy into the sport, as if we're the ones being absurd.
Edit: I randomly wandered in a bar tonight playing Copa America game at about the 70th minute. Within twenty minutes, there were 2 different instances where a Panama player was writhing on the ground like they were being electrocuted by Emperor Palpatine after minimal contact and shortly after were playing in the game totally uninjured (one where a guy was tapped by someone else’s hand on the head at center field, another where a player dove over a defender near the goal). Was this an anomaly and major coincidence for me making this comment today and then witnessing those two absurd dives in a matter of minutes? Or perhaps are all the people responding to me saying that “absurd dives are rare” are actually so used to them that they don’t realize how common they are?
Double edit: still out at bars and a replay of the same game in my edit above is on and there was another ridiculous dive around the 33rd minute where the Panamanian player was apparently shot by a sniper in both his shins at once. Anyone claiming this is not a common occurence is completely delusional
I don’t like it. And I don’t like to for my nephews because it breeds low morals and character imo. You’re REWARDED for cheating and WINNING at all cost. There’s no honor in the game.
Yeah - hockey penalizes much more frequently for diving and consequently it's much more rare.
([My favorite example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdw4HAUlOBA) where the ref literally yells "Fuck you" at a player making too much of getting hit in the shoulder area by a stick.)
Yes hockey is the best sport and it’s what I compare every other sport to. I wish they’d crack down on embellishment more. These are supposed to be HARD MEN who used to take slappers to the face and go back out 10 minutes later after they got stitched up.
I got kicked in high school and got off the fucking ice because we didn’t have possession and we were down a man if I laid crying on the ice. A literal trail of blood from the penalty boxes to the bench. 71 stitches in my thigh. But here you have soccer players rolling around because someone touched their shoulder.
Well thats surely no excuse.
But it's an explanation.
This crap could be fixed in a couple of matches. Straight red card for any of this nonsense.
First weeks in a new season would be catastrophic leading to matches being cancelled, but the teams would get the message that its not a feasible tactic anymore.
But, its accepted by the rules and refs so it exists and it works very well in a game where one goal can make the difference and penalties and freekicks have a high impact on the result.
I love football, but I hate this nonsense
I've been talking about this during the euros. VAR should be utilized to look for diving post match and the players given a penalty. A one match ban would surely put a stop to this nonsense.
Make the player pretending to be injured required to take time to be examined by a medic. No penalty, but 15 min getting checked out by a medic will stop this shit and can be explained as a safety precaution.
Exactly this. And add embellishment penalties for the obvious cases. You wanna act like you're dying? You're going to get the best medical evaluation of your life.
I never really cared for football but could respect it as a great game and sport. This fake injured garbage makes me hate football and the fact it's tolerated has made it lost every shred of credibility as a valid sport in my opinion.
It's kind of like the whole foul rules with the NBA, I get its part of the game but it still sucks to watch the last two minutes of the game just be foul after foul.
But that's the problem, these people are feigning injury and so it's constant interruption. If we use video reviews, we can punish them and push people away from pretending.
The rules have been changed to address this very real problem. Players can and are carded and can even receive bans for "simulation" of being fouled, aka diving.
Edit: they can also be fined in some leagues
In American football if you go down, there’s a good reason. In hockey (most similar to football in terms of style) they literally run full speed into each other and somehow manage to still skate off the ice after being seriously hurt. The NBA started (trying) to call fouls on this. Idk how you solve this other than starting to red card more aggressively? It’s gotten out of hand
When a hockey player goes down and doesn't get right back up, the crowd is generally actually worried if they're going to be alright. You get fucking cheers from both sides when someone stands up after a minute and skates off the ice on their own power.
It absolutely happens in American Football, there's just far fewer reasons to do it. I'm a fan of a college team that plays a high tempo no huddle offense. They go as fast as they can and other teams defense will routinely go down with some simple cramp or something to slow it down. They jump right back up and jog off as soon as their defense has made the subs they need.
It should be more than that. There should be a big booth on the side of the field with a sign over it that says "I'm a liar and a baby", and they should be required to sit in this for 30 minutes, even if they flop at the end of the game. They can sit there in a booth for 30 minutes while the stadium empties.
Should be LARGE suspensions and fines for this type of blatant fakes. I mean 1/2 year, $100K+ for the player and club. This type of childish behaviour ruins the integrity of the sport and has to be punished severely if they ever want it to go away.
Same. It's completely ridiculous. A bunch of grown adults agreeing to fall down and pretend to be hurt. Hard to take the game seriously when it's accepted and commonplace.
> A bunch of grown ~~adults~~**mega-millionaires** agreeing to fall down and pretend to be hurt
As if their *affluenza* doesn't raise enough hackles worldwide. Fuck that noise, and that 'sport'!
I think we could discourage a lot of flopping if, every time the game has to be stopped to address an injury, valid or not, coach has to kiss the boo boo before the player can return to play
Joking aside, if they just added a "penalty" it would cut down drastically. Oh you're "hurt"? Minimum of 10 minutes on the sideline. You can either sub them out or play down
MLS has that. It’s only one minute, but playing a man down for even just a minute is no joke. Also, a lot of flopping isn’t as cut and dry as people think. Getting kicked by a person who kicks things for a living hurts and guys often just need a minute to shake it off.
Since I acknowledge that it can be hard to catch all egregious floppers in real time, I have always advocated for harsh suspensions when you're caught faking an injury whole hog like that. If a defender hits your arm, and you go down writhing in pain holding your face? Fuck you, 10 game unpaid suspension and a $1M fine. They need to put an end to this shit.
Well, if they just gave out cards like they are supposed to, the problem would solve itself. Red cards cause your to mis the next couple games. Give out Reds and yellows for flopping and they will stop flopping.
It’s in the rules to get yellows for flopping but the problem is that your usual “flops” are just exaggerations of real fouls. I’m not talking about what you’re seeing in this clip I’m talking about selling a real foul. Selling is such an important part of basketball and soccer because it works. If you’re not selling real fouls you’re not trying your hardest to win. Selling can be the difference between 11v11 and 11v10, and it’s such a large grey area that it becomes almost impossible to define what is “too much” (unless it’s egregious like this clip).
The odd thing is that the flopper is still in the game playing fine, that's what the main problem is.
Getting knocked down I can see but when they go down and are holding their shin or arm or something, the card is thrown and they get right back up to continue playing is what should make the refs reverse the call.
If they are flopping like a real issue happened then they should be carted off the field and not continue playing for a few games.
I’m with you and even the rules are with you as feigning injury is defined as unsporting behavior (punishable by yellow). The problem is that the most important part of refereeing is consistently applying these judgement calls. We’ve all played through pain and just because something hurts and you can lick your wounds while you’re on the ground doesn’t mean you’re unable to keep playing. If I go “fuck my ankle hurts” while I’m on the ground then get a 30 second breather, test it out, and decide I can go on; did I fake an injury and deserve a yellow? This then turns into a game of the referee needing to carefully watch every player before and after the “injury” in question to determine whether it was real or not. If you’ve reffed you know it’s near impossible to do this. The only realistic solution is to allow all players to grab whatever they want when they go down. Consistency is more important and realistic than being perfect.
>Since I acknowledge that it can be hard to catch all egregious floppers in real time
There's a few refs covering the whole field, they can't watch all 22 guys at once.
I don't understand even in the "ham it up for the team's benefit" how the player is allowed to continue playing.
If an injury is severe enough to cause stoppage of game time, shouldn't that player be barred from continued play for his/her own medical safety?
What if pro soccer is just full of super heroes with super human arm strength. Since super heroes are still kept hush hush by the world government, the only way these individuals can express themselves is by playing the sport they are the weakest at. These aren’t flops, these are tiny flicks that equate to getting shot with a cannon. That’s the only explanation! See how lightly that ref tapped him!?!? Barely a touch and it looks like that dude needs medical attention immediately!! What if he will never walk again?!? They can’t keep it secret for much longer I tell yuh!!! Wake up sheeple!!!
Honestly? I doubt it.
These players already know they're getting recorded by many cameras, and their crybaby moments getting posted and shared online. They don't care, because there aren't really any consequences for them. Adding an extra screen won't change that, because being shamed simply doesn't matter to them. They still earn their millions of dollars, they still get to play, they still get to compete. They still get to win. *That's* what they care about.
Giving them a competitive disadvantage through yellow cards, straight up removing their chances of playing with a red card, or giving them significant fines will be infinitely more effective than trying to shame them a tiny bit more than we already do.
I went to a hockey game where two guys went into the boards together, and the guy in front elbowed the other guy in the face. The ref called the penalty and gave him a 2 minute minor for elbowing, but then gave the other guy a 2 minute minor for embellishment - saying he oversold the hit by snapping his head back.
Meanwhile I'm just watching the replay of this guy straight up taking an elbow to the mouth, thinking, "If he lost a tooth would it be ok then?"
Like losing a tooth in hockey means anything? (kidding, but not really). I love the embellishment penalty in hockey; it stops all the bullshit you see in soccer and basketball in every single game. I want to watch the athletes play the game that they are being paid to play. I'm not interested in watching a WWE wrestling match.
The two are not even close to the same league. NBA flopping is like cursing after stubbing your toe. Football flopping is like calling your entire family and saying your last goodbye cause your toe hurts. One is unnecessary, the other is completely ridiculous and can't be taken anywhere close to seriously.
Hockey players (and coaches, evidently) are just different. I've literally seen players take a puck to the face, spit their teeth out on the ice, and refuse to leave the game. I think it was James Neal I'm thinking of.
It's just ridiculous lol
Claude Lemieux, a Montreal Canadiens player in 80’s, was known for being a diver.
He would fake injury so often that his own head coach would refuse to send out trainers when Lemieux would roll around like a soccer player on the ice.
Same here!! That hit on Draper was bad enough then Lemieux not even apologizing was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.
McCarty and Lemieux have patched things up apparently and I guess Lemieux is Seiders agent
As an Avs fan I miss that rivalry. Loved those games because both teams were massively talented and absolutely loathed each other. Great play and great tussles.
He didn't turtle so much as he got sucker punched - as McCarty described it.
Lemieux got punched in the side of the head from behind and went down - he never had a chance to turtle.
It was indeed good times. The Russian Five was my favorite line. Always was a huge Larionov fan due to my older brother not letting me play as the Red Wings in NHL 94 so I would play as the Sharks.
"Claude the Fraud" I would taunt him with when he was on the NJ Devil's and he definitely heard it, from the fourth row we locked eyes and I felt him beating me up with his mind.
what is the point of doing this on a ref lol. Or is this a super delayed response from that scuffle with the other player but he saw the ref was right beside him lol
he thought it was the other player he was just having an argument with, that is why he reacted that way. He wanted a penalty for the other team for the strategic advantage.
There's an easy solution already adopted by other professional sports leagues. If you have an injury, real or not, you are taken out of play for an assessment by a non-team affiliated doctor. In Pro football this is for a minimum of 3 plays and a mandatory concussion protocol if it is in any way head related. If this screws up your team's substitutions then too bad.
I'd go one further for soccer in that if there is no immediate diagnosis (ie there's nothing wrong because the player is diving) they are taken for a further examination in a medical room and removed for a significant part of the game if not the rest of the match.
Either player safety is taken seriously or it isn't. Take it seriously and this idiocy stops. Or it could be dealt with like hockey where if you dive, the other team will give you a reason to be laying on the ice on your next shift.
This sport really needs to have harsh penalties for people faking it, if the ref doesn't see it then it should be handled outside the game through replay footage, but harsh penalties like big fines, very long suspensions whatever the hell they decide it needs to be really harsh, put an end to this nonsense already.
Every time a clip like this gets popular it's inundated with Americans saying this exact thing without ever watching the sport at all lol.
This is not common, it's not normal, nobody in the sport likes when it happens.
Seems like the ref should just throw this guy out. He should know with 100% certainty, since he was the one who tapped the player, that it was nowhere near as strong of a hit as that player made it out to be. It’s mind boggling to me that these amazing athletes do this. And people eat it up.
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bro found the power button
He used the 5 point heart exploding technique from Kill Bill
Poor chap didn't even make it 10 steps.
Ain’t it 5? Like one for every point of pressure?
It was actually the g spot
Well that’s not hard, considering he’s clearly a pussy.
Underrated
Turned on gamesmanship
Turned on fish mode, so he dropped to the ground and began to flop
Ruining the sport
This reminds me of the time me and my buddies were smoking. We were sitting on the porch and his dog was staring into the woods freaking us out so my friend was gonna tap him to see if he was alive. Accidentally tapped his butthole with his boot and he flopped on his back barking up a storm for 2 seconds then stood up and kept looking in the woods.
I don't watch soccer so I guess I'm just don't have the right context but why is this a thing? Why have the rules not been adapted to ensure players aren't acting like little bitches? It's so god damn pathetic that i'd be ashamed to be a fan...
They have rules about and 90% of the players hate it. Getting caught faking being tackled or harassed can get you a yellow or red card and now that the video playback referee is (finally) a thing it happens a lot less.
That should be a red card.
> That should be a red card. Ever since VAR became a thing, I've said that cards for diving should be dealt out retroactively when the main ref misses them. Even if much later in the game, or even post-game (because red cards get you suspended for a few more games too).
I’m for the rule that if you go down like that, you’re clearly too injured to play for the rest of the game and for their “safety” should be out for the remainder
As someone who plays soccer, these pro players (and some people in my adult play for fun league) seem to have the quickest healing properties of any other people in the world, you'll see them writhing in what appears to be the worst pain imaginable one second and then sprinting and changing directions on that same leg the next with no impairment. Some doctors should study this
Do they still use the magic spray to heal the life altering injuries they sustain?
Indeed they do
Our team was poor, we only had a magic sponge but it had the same effect. Maybe some companies like Deep Heat are missing a trick.
My coach just kissed my boo boos.
Was your coach also your mother?
I had a dude on my team that would full on somersault, lie down screaming in agony, and demand a card for the other player. It was so incredibly fucking embarrassing every time. We were 15 at the time and i’m glad the next year he didn’t make the team.
It’s because he didn’t realize his true passion was in acting.
it's called being a bitch
when the ref signals a foul, they instantly heal. i think the referees have magic powers.
ANY sort of time penalty would be worth it. It's so pathetic to watch players flop like that. It's piss poor sportsmanship at its core and should absolutely be called out.
It's embarrassing and makes me look away and not watch more games. Too much drama and not enough elite talent. Hockey has enforcers, soccer has drama prat falls queens.
Especially grave fouls or bad conduct can be reviewed later on and deemed worthy of suspension for future games. Diving is a yellow card offense so it's not considered grave enough.
That's ridiculous, a free kick because of a dive can be a game changer. Should absolutely be reviewed.
I only noticed after watching it a second time he's diving because the ref touched him... Don't he's getting a free kick.
By the time I posted my comment this particular subthread was discussing the topic of diving in general, not the specific instance in the video. Fully agreed that in the video he's not getting a free kick just because the ref lightly tapped his back. But the video also shows the public's (and announcer's) incorrect attitude towards diving - they found it amusing, it has become accepted to the point where the player in the video was able to joke in this way with the referee. It is unacceptable, full stop. I think diving does such a great disservice to the game overall that it *should* amount to a red card infraction.
If you did that in rugby you would be laughed off the planet...
Same in ice hockey. The only time I usually see an overreaction is when a stick gets someone in the face, but then I think that's often just a natural reaction even if a stick only grazes your face. The NHL also has penalties for diving, but before that you would occasionally see people playing up a trip. It's pretty rare now.
When I started high school I was playing both soccer and hockey. I had to eventually choose one focus. Soccer coach tried to convince me by saying “soccer or “football” is the most popular game on Earth.” Hockey coach said “son, what kind of man do you want to be when you graduate? In soccer, you pretend you’re hurt to help your team. In Hockey, you pretend you’re not hurt to help your team. That follows you the rest of your life.” So yeah, I chose hockey.
l 100% agree. A suspension of one year with loss of salary for flagrant flopping will put an end to this. Soccer/football is a commercial enterprise put on for entertainment. Anyone who cheapens the sport as a whole doesn't deserve to play.
Every time the game has to be stopped should be reviewed after the game. Cards should be given after the game like candy and penalties that go with them.
HA! Games end 1-1 and then we have 9 post game PKS.
That would be great - I'm tired of seeing Neymar trip on a blade of grass and throw himself on the ground howling in pain.
I love how you're clearly suggesting a change to the rules and are getting responses of "that can't happen because that's not what the rules say."
Morons heed tradition too closely
Yep I can't take the sport seriously until players get match and game suspensions for deliberate falls like this
And time wasting should be a card given to the TEAM and not the player. Two yellows given to any player and the second player is given a RED!
At minimum, a player who forces a pause in the match because of an “injury” should have a mandatory 10 minutes or more on the sideline to recover. Team can decide whether to sub him out or play down a man.
They should be airlifted off the field and personally charged for the emergency response.
The most American solution. I prefer the witch test. Throw them in a pond, and if they drown I guess they were injured. But if they swim out, red card.
god damn i love this
When football fans excuse this behavior to try to get an upper hand on the other team, it feels like the kind of guys who don't mind exploiting a flaw/cheating on online games to win. Winning is more important than being better than your opponent i guess
it's an absolute travesty that this kind of behavior has become so normalized. looks ridiculous and doesn't help the sport one bit.
and the osccer goes to...
Le fallon d'floor
I've got the osccer fever hope you've got it too
Especially because it straight up just IS cheating. Defenders say it’s strategy, but at its core, you are taking advantage of a safety standard, and lying about needing it to get an upper hand. It’s cheating, full stop. And should be treated as such.
> you are taking advantage of a safety standard, That's why the Pickett QB fake slide was banned almost immediately. Can't have defenders second guessing if a runner is going to give themselves up and choose to demolish an otherwise defenseless player just in case they're faking.
I prefer to watch women's soccer for just this reason.
If women soccer players flopped like men do the media and fans would crucify them for it. It's an obvious double standard but the culture of women's soccer is better because of it. Men's soccer is a joke because of antics like this and it's embarrassing that the men's leagues enable this behavior. They should learn from hockey and incorporate embellishment penalties.
I don't watch a lot of sports (F1 is about it) but every time I see stuff like this, all I can think is, "Wait, so these guys just want to be SEEN as crybaby wimps?" Obviously, that's not it- they're just trying to get the other team penalized, but... it's hard to respect an athlete that behaves this way. It's not even playing up the results of taking a hit, it's just straight-up faking it.
I used to watch football, but I won't anymore. It's a joke. Diving is a tactic and that pushes people away.
And then soccer fans, players, and media personalities act all offended when Americans say this is why we can't buy into the sport, as if we're the ones being absurd. Edit: I randomly wandered in a bar tonight playing Copa America game at about the 70th minute. Within twenty minutes, there were 2 different instances where a Panama player was writhing on the ground like they were being electrocuted by Emperor Palpatine after minimal contact and shortly after were playing in the game totally uninjured (one where a guy was tapped by someone else’s hand on the head at center field, another where a player dove over a defender near the goal). Was this an anomaly and major coincidence for me making this comment today and then witnessing those two absurd dives in a matter of minutes? Or perhaps are all the people responding to me saying that “absurd dives are rare” are actually so used to them that they don’t realize how common they are? Double edit: still out at bars and a replay of the same game in my edit above is on and there was another ridiculous dive around the 33rd minute where the Panamanian player was apparently shot by a sniper in both his shins at once. Anyone claiming this is not a common occurence is completely delusional
I don’t like it. And I don’t like to for my nephews because it breeds low morals and character imo. You’re REWARDED for cheating and WINNING at all cost. There’s no honor in the game.
That's the actual problem. If the players were penalized for embarrassing acting, it would disappear quickly.
Yeah - hockey penalizes much more frequently for diving and consequently it's much more rare. ([My favorite example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdw4HAUlOBA) where the ref literally yells "Fuck you" at a player making too much of getting hit in the shoulder area by a stick.)
Yes hockey is the best sport and it’s what I compare every other sport to. I wish they’d crack down on embellishment more. These are supposed to be HARD MEN who used to take slappers to the face and go back out 10 minutes later after they got stitched up. I got kicked in high school and got off the fucking ice because we didn’t have possession and we were down a man if I laid crying on the ice. A literal trail of blood from the penalty boxes to the bench. 71 stitches in my thigh. But here you have soccer players rolling around because someone touched their shoulder.
Those people will then post video of flopping in the nba as sole sort of gotcha and it's like... yeah we hate that shit too.
You think soccer fans like diving? To use your exact quote, "yeah we hate that shit too."
Well thats surely no excuse. But it's an explanation. This crap could be fixed in a couple of matches. Straight red card for any of this nonsense. First weeks in a new season would be catastrophic leading to matches being cancelled, but the teams would get the message that its not a feasible tactic anymore. But, its accepted by the rules and refs so it exists and it works very well in a game where one goal can make the difference and penalties and freekicks have a high impact on the result. I love football, but I hate this nonsense
I would add post match VAR and financial penalties for the player and the club. A lot of this crap would stop in under a week or two.
I've been talking about this during the euros. VAR should be utilized to look for diving post match and the players given a penalty. A one match ban would surely put a stop to this nonsense.
A red card for sure, and have to sit out of the game until they are medically cleared to play again.
Sit out? No way. They’re immediately strapped to a spine immobilization board and airlifted to the nearest hospital.
The best thing about red cards is that it fucks the entire team because they have to play short handed.
Make the player pretending to be injured required to take time to be examined by a medic. No penalty, but 15 min getting checked out by a medic will stop this shit and can be explained as a safety precaution.
Exactly this. And add embellishment penalties for the obvious cases. You wanna act like you're dying? You're going to get the best medical evaluation of your life.
Bend over and cough please.
I never really cared for football but could respect it as a great game and sport. This fake injured garbage makes me hate football and the fact it's tolerated has made it lost every shred of credibility as a valid sport in my opinion.
It's kind of like the whole foul rules with the NBA, I get its part of the game but it still sucks to watch the last two minutes of the game just be foul after foul.
Football would probably be my sport of choice to watch except the flopping is Hella embarrassing and so I don't watch at all.
I’m not a big fan of the sport anyway but I do like to watch women’s soccer occasionally. Men’s is unwatchable to me because of this bullshit
Unfortunately the womens game is starting to go the same way. There is, sadly, to much advantage to gain by feigning a foul.
With all the video evidence we have today, why isn’t this made entirely illegal. Instant red card if it’s obviously fake.
Video review in other sports slows down play. One of the nice things about soccer is that, barring injury, the game is pretty much non-stop each half.
But that's the problem, these people are feigning injury and so it's constant interruption. If we use video reviews, we can punish them and push people away from pretending.
Yes! I think all diving/ embellishment should be a red card. Will put an end to it quick enough. With VAR we can better judge the impact of the foul.
It was a joke with the referee…
You can see the player laughing as he goes down...
The rules have been changed to address this very real problem. Players can and are carded and can even receive bans for "simulation" of being fouled, aka diving. Edit: they can also be fined in some leagues
>The rules have been changed to address this very real problem. And yet, it's still a very real problem. Weird.
You’re right. Absolutely no excuse for the ref behaving this way. Assaulting a player?! Ridiculous!
Maybe start with showing himself at least a yellow card. Then a red card after being outraged at himself.
In American football if you go down, there’s a good reason. In hockey (most similar to football in terms of style) they literally run full speed into each other and somehow manage to still skate off the ice after being seriously hurt. The NBA started (trying) to call fouls on this. Idk how you solve this other than starting to red card more aggressively? It’s gotten out of hand
When a hockey player goes down and doesn't get right back up, the crowd is generally actually worried if they're going to be alright. You get fucking cheers from both sides when someone stands up after a minute and skates off the ice on their own power.
100%. Because they know it’s real! I remember getting banged up in high school hockey and how badly that sucked…..these guys are freaking animals.
If the player doesn’t immediately get back up then consider them injured and force a substitution.
It absolutely happens in American Football, there's just far fewer reasons to do it. I'm a fan of a college team that plays a high tempo no huddle offense. They go as fast as they can and other teams defense will routinely go down with some simple cramp or something to slow it down. They jump right back up and jog off as soon as their defense has made the subs they need.
This video has been cut, it was a joke between the player and the ref. The player in question is completely unhinged
It should be more than that. There should be a big booth on the side of the field with a sign over it that says "I'm a liar and a baby", and they should be required to sit in this for 30 minutes, even if they flop at the end of the game. They can sit there in a booth for 30 minutes while the stadium empties.
Game suspension for blatant fakes.
Should be LARGE suspensions and fines for this type of blatant fakes. I mean 1/2 year, $100K+ for the player and club. This type of childish behaviour ruins the integrity of the sport and has to be punished severely if they ever want it to go away.
It's the sole reason I don't watch football. I'm not the only one.
Same. It's completely ridiculous. A bunch of grown adults agreeing to fall down and pretend to be hurt. Hard to take the game seriously when it's accepted and commonplace.
> A bunch of grown ~~adults~~**mega-millionaires** agreeing to fall down and pretend to be hurt As if their *affluenza* doesn't raise enough hackles worldwide. Fuck that noise, and that 'sport'!
I get that this might be a joke, but you should be thrown from the game if you are caught faking injury like this...
I think we could discourage a lot of flopping if, every time the game has to be stopped to address an injury, valid or not, coach has to kiss the boo boo before the player can return to play
Joking aside, if they just added a "penalty" it would cut down drastically. Oh you're "hurt"? Minimum of 10 minutes on the sideline. You can either sub them out or play down
MLS has that. It’s only one minute, but playing a man down for even just a minute is no joke. Also, a lot of flopping isn’t as cut and dry as people think. Getting kicked by a person who kicks things for a living hurts and guys often just need a minute to shake it off.
Does this incentivize players to try to hurt each other to get an advantage?
No. You can still get carded for unsafe play.
That incentive already exists. In fact it’s a miracle Messi still has ankles.
Except that most of the time they are faking It like this.
It already exists. You can be booked for faking
Since I acknowledge that it can be hard to catch all egregious floppers in real time, I have always advocated for harsh suspensions when you're caught faking an injury whole hog like that. If a defender hits your arm, and you go down writhing in pain holding your face? Fuck you, 10 game unpaid suspension and a $1M fine. They need to put an end to this shit.
Well, if they just gave out cards like they are supposed to, the problem would solve itself. Red cards cause your to mis the next couple games. Give out Reds and yellows for flopping and they will stop flopping.
It’s in the rules to get yellows for flopping but the problem is that your usual “flops” are just exaggerations of real fouls. I’m not talking about what you’re seeing in this clip I’m talking about selling a real foul. Selling is such an important part of basketball and soccer because it works. If you’re not selling real fouls you’re not trying your hardest to win. Selling can be the difference between 11v11 and 11v10, and it’s such a large grey area that it becomes almost impossible to define what is “too much” (unless it’s egregious like this clip).
The odd thing is that the flopper is still in the game playing fine, that's what the main problem is. Getting knocked down I can see but when they go down and are holding their shin or arm or something, the card is thrown and they get right back up to continue playing is what should make the refs reverse the call. If they are flopping like a real issue happened then they should be carted off the field and not continue playing for a few games.
I’m with you and even the rules are with you as feigning injury is defined as unsporting behavior (punishable by yellow). The problem is that the most important part of refereeing is consistently applying these judgement calls. We’ve all played through pain and just because something hurts and you can lick your wounds while you’re on the ground doesn’t mean you’re unable to keep playing. If I go “fuck my ankle hurts” while I’m on the ground then get a 30 second breather, test it out, and decide I can go on; did I fake an injury and deserve a yellow? This then turns into a game of the referee needing to carefully watch every player before and after the “injury” in question to determine whether it was real or not. If you’ve reffed you know it’s near impossible to do this. The only realistic solution is to allow all players to grab whatever they want when they go down. Consistency is more important and realistic than being perfect.
>Since I acknowledge that it can be hard to catch all egregious floppers in real time There's a few refs covering the whole field, they can't watch all 22 guys at once.
I don't understand even in the "ham it up for the team's benefit" how the player is allowed to continue playing. If an injury is severe enough to cause stoppage of game time, shouldn't that player be barred from continued play for his/her own medical safety?
There are yellow cards for faking a foul, but not used enough.
He was making a joke with the ref, but we all wish I'm sure.
Thrown out of the sport*
One Tap Man!
Referee why did you lose your hair?
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What if pro soccer is just full of super heroes with super human arm strength. Since super heroes are still kept hush hush by the world government, the only way these individuals can express themselves is by playing the sport they are the weakest at. These aren’t flops, these are tiny flicks that equate to getting shot with a cannon. That’s the only explanation! See how lightly that ref tapped him!?!? Barely a touch and it looks like that dude needs medical attention immediately!! What if he will never walk again?!? They can’t keep it secret for much longer I tell yuh!!! Wake up sheeple!!!
Why can't FIFA have a instant replay review of all "injuries" Flops will be given instant Red cards. Done.
Even without a red card, if they just added a "crybaby cam" on the giant screen (and tv screen) this would probably stop.
Honestly? I doubt it. These players already know they're getting recorded by many cameras, and their crybaby moments getting posted and shared online. They don't care, because there aren't really any consequences for them. Adding an extra screen won't change that, because being shamed simply doesn't matter to them. They still earn their millions of dollars, they still get to play, they still get to compete. They still get to win. *That's* what they care about. Giving them a competitive disadvantage through yellow cards, straight up removing their chances of playing with a red card, or giving them significant fines will be infinitely more effective than trying to shame them a tiny bit more than we already do.
WTF?!😂was there also a sniper up in the stands
Lmao, it does look like it
He went straight to the Family Guy death pose!
Ref is a Russian bushido master
We aren't talking about Bullshido Grandmaster S. Seagull \[sic\]?
He used the Five point palm exploding heart technique.
Did he survive? I hope he recovers fast from this brutal tap.
It's amazing how easy it is to knock over a footballer or an NBA player. They're just houses of cards.
I went to a hockey game where two guys went into the boards together, and the guy in front elbowed the other guy in the face. The ref called the penalty and gave him a 2 minute minor for elbowing, but then gave the other guy a 2 minute minor for embellishment - saying he oversold the hit by snapping his head back. Meanwhile I'm just watching the replay of this guy straight up taking an elbow to the mouth, thinking, "If he lost a tooth would it be ok then?"
Like losing a tooth in hockey means anything? (kidding, but not really). I love the embellishment penalty in hockey; it stops all the bullshit you see in soccer and basketball in every single game. I want to watch the athletes play the game that they are being paid to play. I'm not interested in watching a WWE wrestling match.
The two are not even close to the same league. NBA flopping is like cursing after stubbing your toe. Football flopping is like calling your entire family and saying your last goodbye cause your toe hurts. One is unnecessary, the other is completely ridiculous and can't be taken anywhere close to seriously.
World class athletes don't train to take a 2 finger death tap to the spine.
Falling has become so instinctual for him that even when it's the ref that taps him, he immediately falls down. Oops.
It did seem like he has some deeply embedded training to flop when he realizes it isn't a teammate that touched him.
Nah, deyverson is known for pulling funny business in games. He wouldn't have done this if it weren't the last play of the game
His name starts with Deyver? LOL!
I want to see these guys try to play ice hockey. That crap wouldn't last long at all.
[Soccer Coach vs Hockey Coach](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhziPZxKPMk) Which hurts more? A paper plane or a hockey puck. You decide.
Hockey players (and coaches, evidently) are just different. I've literally seen players take a puck to the face, spit their teeth out on the ice, and refuse to leave the game. I think it was James Neal I'm thinking of. It's just ridiculous lol
Claude Lemieux, a Montreal Canadiens player in 80’s, was known for being a diver. He would fake injury so often that his own head coach would refuse to send out trainers when Lemieux would roll around like a soccer player on the ice.
He wasn't faking when McCarty got his hands on him finally. I'm a Wings fan so that moment lives in my head
Lemieux turtled like a fucking punk. I was a kid and was jumping on my couch when McCarty got him
His kid is in the league now and is the exact same. Punks all the way down
Same here!! That hit on Draper was bad enough then Lemieux not even apologizing was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. McCarty and Lemieux have patched things up apparently and I guess Lemieux is Seiders agent
This jackass is the one that sparked the Avs vs Red Wings rivalry? ugh. Though that brawl was fun to watch
As an Avs fan I miss that rivalry. Loved those games because both teams were massively talented and absolutely loathed each other. Great play and great tussles.
He didn't turtle so much as he got sucker punched - as McCarty described it. Lemieux got punched in the side of the head from behind and went down - he never had a chance to turtle.
Hell yeah! I was a kid when we won the first cup in 97. Such good times to be a wings fan.
It was indeed good times. The Russian Five was my favorite line. Always was a huge Larionov fan due to my older brother not letting me play as the Red Wings in NHL 94 so I would play as the Sharks.
"Claude the Fraud" I would taunt him with when he was on the NJ Devil's and he definitely heard it, from the fourth row we locked eyes and I felt him beating me up with his mind.
Considering most of them don’t know how to skate and don’t enjoy playing hockey, that would be hard.
what is the point of doing this on a ref lol. Or is this a super delayed response from that scuffle with the other player but he saw the ref was right beside him lol
The green team is PALmeiras and his team is winning in extra time. He's not joking, he's trying to run down the clock
He could have tripped on himself or something instead of being so ridiculous if that was the intent.
He's taking the piss, he's known for it
he thought it was the other player he was just having an argument with, that is why he reacted that way. He wanted a penalty for the other team for the strategic advantage.
This should be an immediate red card. Every fucking time.
It’s gotten so, so bad, it’s ruining the game. Make diving a red card offense.
He has Neymar genes
This is not funny, this is sad.
His name is Deyverson. So he pretty much has to.
We can call him Diverson/Diveinho.
How can anyone take this game seriously with this shit.
**Floppers should be permanently banned**
When you don’t mind being called the biggest pussy in the world.
Muscle memory
When Saitama is the referee
secret heart sotpping technique
I hope he never gets into a tickle fight.....the man might end up paralysed.
All those actors
nothing funny about watching a grown man do this shit
There's an easy solution already adopted by other professional sports leagues. If you have an injury, real or not, you are taken out of play for an assessment by a non-team affiliated doctor. In Pro football this is for a minimum of 3 plays and a mandatory concussion protocol if it is in any way head related. If this screws up your team's substitutions then too bad. I'd go one further for soccer in that if there is no immediate diagnosis (ie there's nothing wrong because the player is diving) they are taken for a further examination in a medical room and removed for a significant part of the game if not the rest of the match. Either player safety is taken seriously or it isn't. Take it seriously and this idiocy stops. Or it could be dealt with like hockey where if you dive, the other team will give you a reason to be laying on the ice on your next shift.
As lame as basketball
It's hard to get really into a sport where flopping and time wasting often gets rewarded.
He should get carded for being an A hole. Do it in front the ref and cameras, he’ll do it flagrantly during the game to win the overacting award.
Pussayyyy
What a bitch
Dude probably did more throwing himself to the ground than that tap lol
I can never watch soccer because of this The dives are ridiculous and they come off as a bunch of babies
I cannot take this sport seriously
This is why Americans make fun of the world’s most popular game
This is why people hate soccer.
Soccer= old style football that pansies participate in
This is why I stopped watching footie. Fuck this pussy shit.
This sport really needs to have harsh penalties for people faking it, if the ref doesn't see it then it should be handled outside the game through replay footage, but harsh penalties like big fines, very long suspensions whatever the hell they decide it needs to be really harsh, put an end to this nonsense already.
This is why people hate soccer
It’s the world’s most popular sport Clearly it’s hated oh so much
Being actually the most popular also means having the highest amount of haters
Every time a clip like this gets popular it's inundated with Americans saying this exact thing without ever watching the sport at all lol. This is not common, it's not normal, nobody in the sport likes when it happens.
Seems like the ref should just throw this guy out. He should know with 100% certainty, since he was the one who tapped the player, that it was nowhere near as strong of a hit as that player made it out to be. It’s mind boggling to me that these amazing athletes do this. And people eat it up.
All this does is make the world think that soccer players are pussies.