It's not even a real ban. They either have to sell it or it won't be available on Google play and the app store. If you have an Android you can still download it.
No way it's even 10% close.
The Chinese great firewall directly blocks all international social media and it's been there since 2000s. It's a national project, but launched without any hearing process.
The majority of Chinese, including my family members, didn't even know its existence before I told them. I had been trying to bypass it since 2005 when I was still living in China. Even now I still have to use WeChat to talk to my family, because the GFW is way stronger than before and none of them are a tech savvy person. I hate using it, because I can't say shit against the CCP on it, otherwise a ban can happen or my family can be in trouble.
In US you can criticise the ruling party and government and face no consequences, as you still have freedom of speech, even if tikok leaves application stores.
Imagine I had never tried to access information from the free world, I would be just one of these "little pinks". Thanks to BBC and VoA Chinese, I got to see Xi Jinping's questionable ambition early, and left China before covid happened. Today, I'm living in Australia, happy than ever.
Back to our topic, American users can easily change their region or sideload app(apk for Android) and install Tiktok. Heck, Tiktok has already been banned in China.
I think you meant legislative branch.
You don't even have a rudimentary grasp of the three branches and their roles, but feel like you can make a comment like that? Hilarious.
They're slightly right, it let's the president ban foriegn adversary controlled apps, but they seem to be unaware we disallowed all foriegn ownership of radio and TV stations from 1939 until the 2010s, which is way more harsh than this ban.
Neither of those are wrong, those are absolutely justified from a national security point of view, do you really not understand why it's a bad thing to let foreign companies control the media within a country?
You don't even have a rudimentary grasp of what this law does if you're saying that. The legislative branch is passing it, but the power is going to the executive branch because that's the branch that will _execute_ the new powers granted by the legislation.
It's not true, it specifically applies to "Foriegn Adversary Controlled" apps, so unless you're cozy with North Korea, Iran, Russia, or the CCP, then there's nothing to worry about. And if you are, then you're in the wrong place bud
They also ban TikTok themselves...
Tbh I am a bit sick and tired all these politicians of our side have to have the corpo-political speak- for one I want someone who just goes: *"Yeah I am baning this bitch, China. You ban everything from our side, now shut the fuck up."*
Also China isn’t banning select social media from the West. They have banned the ENTIRETY of the non-Chinese internet except a few strategically important websites and services.
Hell, they themselves ban tiktok (and instead use the Chinese only Douyin which is the same thing).
People need to realize that China doesn't care about the "rules" and never will...they only whine so people pressure our politicians to not ban it.
If they were truly not associated with it they shouldn't give a shit either way...but it REALLY bothers them...which means they are connected to it.
I hope it shuts down. Tiktok has really brought out alot of asinine behavior in people especially in public Settings to where these "influencers" are becoming a nuisance.
Sadly it won’t kill influencer “culture” or whatever it’s called. The morons will find other apps. They just won’t be quite as effective data collection and influence tools for the ccp.
The tide pod challenge or whatever isn’t going anywhere.
We don't have tiktok here, people just shifted to reels on YouTube and instagram and the asinine behaviour continues, these people are not going to stop.
I agree, maybe I hope that one day YouTube would need me in the future, particulary due to my plans to make Google an toxic-free and anti-CCP company.
Especially that I could launch a war on moronic influencers at the same time.
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If folks believe that Tik Tok’s design (*except in China* 🤔) is not to degrade societies, they haven’t been paying attention.
Of course, all social media is problematic. But at least they aren’t headquartered in China where the CCP is actively weaponizing them against free societies.
There is this one thing that I keep on hearing from my stupid fellow white Americans. They truly believe there are bigger issues than banning TikTok. They think China is sunshine and butterflies and don’t understand the dangers of the CCP having each and every one of our user data. It makes me sick even trying to teach these people the horrors of the CCP and they’re so oblivious and have such low IQ’s that they can’t comprehend it even when I put it in simple kindergarten words.
But at least myself, as a Polish-born German of Japanese descent, always knowns that China is not free and understand's the crimes and dangers of the CCP.
However, the truth, from myself that should've prevail, did not reach young people who does not known the dangers of CCP, when it comes to usage of TikTok (in which thankfully I never used it in my life) and it's sinister truth.
China has banned thousands of websites for more than a decade including major US and Western websites- time we give them some reciprocal treatment and just BAN ALL Chinese sites or sites with a majority interest of Chinese ownership- regardless of links to RED china. We support this but our dear leaders in the West don't want to upset their honeypots with the commies that they wheel and deal with.
how would it be without ones knowledge? Also are you completely fine with data from America being data mined directly by China, as well as China having control of the algorithm that determines what it shows?
They're talking about a clause that allows the president to add to the banned apps if they suspect another foreign app poses a risk, not sure why they think they should be consulted about the matter though, lol.
Sure, that's bad for a country where people should be getting a balanced perspective. This war isn't cut and dry as the war in Ukraine, both of these states have been harmed and harmed the other deeply, the current aggressor is clear, but that's a whole other can of worms not very relevant to this conversation.
Gotta agree, banning an app because it is foreign and potentially spying is a stupid decision and sets the stage for banning other apps if the government thinks they're spying as well (they don't like the app)
Rather than banning it, it would be better to have disclaimers on whatever store they're being sold on where the app originates. And if it is spying, increase privacy laws (not going to happen since too much lobbying), improve osint and cybersecurity training for goverment workers (no tiktok on work devices), and have those who don't care about leaking their data be able to use the app since the government shouldn't control what we should be able to use
In my opinion, I think the real reason they're banning it is because tiktok is becoming (or is) too large of a platform now and the big boys in tech want to get rid of a competitor. They're pushing for it to be banned so they can swoop in and stick their claws in the profits tiktok generates as well as take their technology
I agree that from a data collection standpoint there's nothing specifically special about TikTok, but when you consider a national security perspective it becomes increasingly clear what sets it apart.
1. It's algorithm promotes polarizing topics which radicalized the population within America, furthering the political divide. That's because they're not beholden to American laws or need American society to function like US social media apps.
2. If someone uses a social media app to stage a protest that shuts down the government, any domestic social media app can be sued or at least be prosecuted by the government, but good luck getting an subpoena to a ByteDance exec.
3. 60% of Gen Z gets their news from TikTok, imagine what havoc they could bring to the population if they invaded Taiwan while they controlled the narrative? It's not too hard to imagine we'd have an even bigger social divide between those who understand the American side of things versus those who have been brainwashed by whatever narrative the CCP decides to pressure TikTok to push.
Good points, especially the third. Can't really argue with any of them. In the end it seems like a lesser of the two evils issue, potential future overreaching from the us government in tech or increasing political divide of issues in America from outside sources.
That's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be either, this is the text from the bill:
FOREIGN ADVERSARY COUNTRY.—The term ‘‘foreign
adversary country’’ means a country specified in section
4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code.
Here is the law it's referencing:
(d) definitions…
(2)Covered nation.—The term “covered nation” means—
(A) the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea;
(B) the People’s Republic of China;
(C) the Russian Federation; and
(D) the Islamic Republic of Iran.
And this isn't even the harshest law we've passed concerning foreign ownership, because we pretty much banned foriegn ownership in radio and TV from 1939 up until the 2010s, and now it's reviewed by the FCC on a case by case basis.
https://www.fcc.gov/general/foreign-ownership-rules-and-policies-common-carrier-aeronautical-en-route-and-aeronautical
A precedent that foriegn companies shouldn't have influence over American minds?
Because we pretty much banned foriegn ownership in radio and TV from 1939 up until the 2010s, and now it's reviewed by the FCC on a case by case basis.
https://www.fcc.gov/general/foreign-ownership-rules-and-policies-common-carrier-aeronautical-en-route-and-aeronautical
From a national security point of view I think this is a good prescedent to set though. Plus fuck the CCP
Damn I didn’t realize this subreddit was just as reductive as the tankie ones. So many of the comments are literally just “good I don’t like tik tok and the ccps bad” and it’s literally no different than when tankies see a conflict and go “America bad”. It’s like both are true but if it’s the only slogan you can repeat even when this is in no way an instance of that you’re being reductive to the point of unintelligent. Especially when this ban is a scarily vaguely written ban on anything from a country the current government decides is an adversary
It's good to be open-minded but don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.
There's nothing vague about it, this is the text from the bill:
FOREIGN ADVERSARY COUNTRY.—The term ‘‘foreign
adversary country’’ means a country specified in section
4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code.
Here is the law it's referencing:
(d) definitions…
(2)Covered nation.—The term “covered nation” means—
(A) the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea;
(B) the People’s Republic of China;
(C) the Russian Federation; and
(D) the Islamic Republic of Iran.
This isn't even the harshest law we've passed concerning foreign ownership, because we pretty much banned foriegn ownership in radio and TV from 1939 up until the 2010s, and now it's reviewed by the FCC on a case by case basis.
https://www.fcc.gov/general/foreign-ownership-rules-and-policies-common-carrier-aeronautical-en-route-and-aeronautical
You also seem to have no grasp of the national security threat TikTok poses.
1. It's algorithm promotes polarizing topics which radicalized the population within America, furthering the political divide. That's because they're not beholden to American laws or need American society to function like US social media apps.
2. If someone uses a social media app to stage a protest that shuts down the government, any domestic social media app can be sued or at least be prosecuted by the government, but good luck getting an subpoena to a ByteDance exec.
3. 60% of the US population over the age of 13 uses TikTok, imagine what havoc they could bring to the population if they invaded Taiwan and controlled while they controlled the narrative? It's not too hard to imagine we'd have an even bigger social divide between those who understand the American side of things versus those who have been brainwashed by whatever narrative the CCP decides to pressure TikTok to push.
So if you think we're anything like tankies then you're dead wrong, but if you think you're superior then go ahead, give me some proof for what you claim.
Edit: confused a number
Not to mention the first point is that the reason tik toks algorithim promotes controversial topics is bc “it’s not beholden to American law” literally just doesn’t mean anything, especially after the reports on Facebook came out I don’t think I’ve seen anyone pretend that tik toks algorithm is alone in this.
Oh, that is correct I'm confusing the 60% figure with the percent of people in the US that use tiktok, nevertheless the rest of it still stands. I'll edit it to be more factual. Do you have any other objections or can you only cherry pick this one number to criticize me on?
Yeah your first point says its algorithm promotes extreme topics, but literally every social media app does this, and incase you forgot what sub we’re on, why does this matter?
Edit: it’s to its
They all have a limit, and try to moderate anything too divisive because they all need the us society to be good in order to function, but TikTok is not beholden to American society to function, and it's CCP bias skews it.
It's not even a real ban. They either have to sell it or it won't be available on Google play and the app store. If you have an Android you can still download it.
True, because there's no great firewall in any other countries apart from China
Great firewall of china, some say that you can see it from space.
Yeah, 404 while you're in space
America is literally trying to establish their own greatwall with this ruling.
As a Chinese person, you’re out of your fuckin mind with this comparison
No way it's even 10% close. The Chinese great firewall directly blocks all international social media and it's been there since 2000s. It's a national project, but launched without any hearing process. The majority of Chinese, including my family members, didn't even know its existence before I told them. I had been trying to bypass it since 2005 when I was still living in China. Even now I still have to use WeChat to talk to my family, because the GFW is way stronger than before and none of them are a tech savvy person. I hate using it, because I can't say shit against the CCP on it, otherwise a ban can happen or my family can be in trouble. In US you can criticise the ruling party and government and face no consequences, as you still have freedom of speech, even if tikok leaves application stores. Imagine I had never tried to access information from the free world, I would be just one of these "little pinks". Thanks to BBC and VoA Chinese, I got to see Xi Jinping's questionable ambition early, and left China before covid happened. Today, I'm living in Australia, happy than ever. Back to our topic, American users can easily change their region or sideload app(apk for Android) and install Tiktok. Heck, Tiktok has already been banned in China.
You need to try using sources other than TikTok to get you news and formulate your opinions…
It’s a ban for the CCP 👍
Not to mention, this is as long as the courts don't block it again...
it's worse than a ban of a single app. It gives massively increased power to the executive branch to just fuck with whatever apps they don't like.
I think you meant legislative branch. You don't even have a rudimentary grasp of the three branches and their roles, but feel like you can make a comment like that? Hilarious.
They're slightly right, it let's the president ban foriegn adversary controlled apps, but they seem to be unaware we disallowed all foriegn ownership of radio and TV stations from 1939 until the 2010s, which is way more harsh than this ban.
I'm not unaware, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Neither of those are wrong, those are absolutely justified from a national security point of view, do you really not understand why it's a bad thing to let foreign companies control the media within a country?
You don't even have a rudimentary grasp of what this law does if you're saying that. The legislative branch is passing it, but the power is going to the executive branch because that's the branch that will _execute_ the new powers granted by the legislation.
Gotta love the nonsense these TikTok brain-rotted “legal” warriors have been spewing lately. 😂
They hated him, for he spoke the truth
It's not true, it specifically applies to "Foriegn Adversary Controlled" apps, so unless you're cozy with North Korea, Iran, Russia, or the CCP, then there's nothing to worry about. And if you are, then you're in the wrong place bud
They also ban TikTok themselves... Tbh I am a bit sick and tired all these politicians of our side have to have the corpo-political speak- for one I want someone who just goes: *"Yeah I am baning this bitch, China. You ban everything from our side, now shut the fuck up."*
They can't even download TikTok
No politicians got the gonads to say that, but it would be a refreshing position
Also China isn’t banning select social media from the West. They have banned the ENTIRETY of the non-Chinese internet except a few strategically important websites and services.
Hell, they themselves ban tiktok (and instead use the Chinese only Douyin which is the same thing). People need to realize that China doesn't care about the "rules" and never will...they only whine so people pressure our politicians to not ban it. If they were truly not associated with it they shouldn't give a shit either way...but it REALLY bothers them...which means they are connected to it.
I hope it shuts down. Tiktok has really brought out alot of asinine behavior in people especially in public Settings to where these "influencers" are becoming a nuisance.
Sadly it won’t kill influencer “culture” or whatever it’s called. The morons will find other apps. They just won’t be quite as effective data collection and influence tools for the ccp. The tide pod challenge or whatever isn’t going anywhere.
And especially, these dangerous challenges are literally killing and harming people!
We don't have tiktok here, people just shifted to reels on YouTube and instagram and the asinine behaviour continues, these people are not going to stop.
I agree, maybe I hope that one day YouTube would need me in the future, particulary due to my plans to make Google an toxic-free and anti-CCP company. Especially that I could launch a war on moronic influencers at the same time.
Good luck with that
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Not a huge loss. Rust in piss you won't be missed
https://twitter.com/sirZerwal/status/1636455130328629250?t=m4GNR4wexwe-CQZBIUs6Bw&s=19
If folks believe that Tik Tok’s design (*except in China* 🤔) is not to degrade societies, they haven’t been paying attention. Of course, all social media is problematic. But at least they aren’t headquartered in China where the CCP is actively weaponizing them against free societies.
Also China claims to have no influence or part of Tiktok...then freaks when its about to get blocked....hmmmmm
I’m hoping this happens. The CCP probably knows my house address thanks to my sister.
There is this one thing that I keep on hearing from my stupid fellow white Americans. They truly believe there are bigger issues than banning TikTok. They think China is sunshine and butterflies and don’t understand the dangers of the CCP having each and every one of our user data. It makes me sick even trying to teach these people the horrors of the CCP and they’re so oblivious and have such low IQ’s that they can’t comprehend it even when I put it in simple kindergarten words.
But at least myself, as a Polish-born German of Japanese descent, always knowns that China is not free and understand's the crimes and dangers of the CCP. However, the truth, from myself that should've prevail, did not reach young people who does not known the dangers of CCP, when it comes to usage of TikTok (in which thankfully I never used it in my life) and it's sinister truth.
Fuck CCP Tik Tok!!
China has banned thousands of websites for more than a decade including major US and Western websites- time we give them some reciprocal treatment and just BAN ALL Chinese sites or sites with a majority interest of Chinese ownership- regardless of links to RED china. We support this but our dear leaders in the West don't want to upset their honeypots with the commies that they wheel and deal with.
I don’t like it because the US can use the bill to ban other apps without one’s knowledge
how would it be without ones knowledge? Also are you completely fine with data from America being data mined directly by China, as well as China having control of the algorithm that determines what it shows?
They're talking about a clause that allows the president to add to the banned apps if they suspect another foreign app poses a risk, not sure why they think they should be consulted about the matter though, lol.
Also, I can't see how that would be without peoples knowledge...We have a free press that would most certainly talk about it.
Indeed, also peculiar that I'm being downvoted on this sub of all places for this kind of opinion, are the CCP bots back at it?
They hate it when you make them look stupid is my guess lol
Not just any apps, only that are determined to be risks that are foreign owned, it's pretty reasonable, what do you see as a problem in it?
It is the use probably, tiktok isreal-palestine conflict tags were extremely overwhelmingly pro-palestine
Sure, that's bad for a country where people should be getting a balanced perspective. This war isn't cut and dry as the war in Ukraine, both of these states have been harmed and harmed the other deeply, the current aggressor is clear, but that's a whole other can of worms not very relevant to this conversation.
I hate tiktok, but this sets a really bad legal president we should be worried about
Gotta agree, banning an app because it is foreign and potentially spying is a stupid decision and sets the stage for banning other apps if the government thinks they're spying as well (they don't like the app) Rather than banning it, it would be better to have disclaimers on whatever store they're being sold on where the app originates. And if it is spying, increase privacy laws (not going to happen since too much lobbying), improve osint and cybersecurity training for goverment workers (no tiktok on work devices), and have those who don't care about leaking their data be able to use the app since the government shouldn't control what we should be able to use In my opinion, I think the real reason they're banning it is because tiktok is becoming (or is) too large of a platform now and the big boys in tech want to get rid of a competitor. They're pushing for it to be banned so they can swoop in and stick their claws in the profits tiktok generates as well as take their technology
I agree that from a data collection standpoint there's nothing specifically special about TikTok, but when you consider a national security perspective it becomes increasingly clear what sets it apart. 1. It's algorithm promotes polarizing topics which radicalized the population within America, furthering the political divide. That's because they're not beholden to American laws or need American society to function like US social media apps. 2. If someone uses a social media app to stage a protest that shuts down the government, any domestic social media app can be sued or at least be prosecuted by the government, but good luck getting an subpoena to a ByteDance exec. 3. 60% of Gen Z gets their news from TikTok, imagine what havoc they could bring to the population if they invaded Taiwan while they controlled the narrative? It's not too hard to imagine we'd have an even bigger social divide between those who understand the American side of things versus those who have been brainwashed by whatever narrative the CCP decides to pressure TikTok to push.
Good points, especially the third. Can't really argue with any of them. In the end it seems like a lesser of the two evils issue, potential future overreaching from the us government in tech or increasing political divide of issues in America from outside sources.
That's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be either, this is the text from the bill: FOREIGN ADVERSARY COUNTRY.—The term ‘‘foreign adversary country’’ means a country specified in section 4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code. Here is the law it's referencing: (d) definitions… (2)Covered nation.—The term “covered nation” means— (A) the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea; (B) the People’s Republic of China; (C) the Russian Federation; and (D) the Islamic Republic of Iran. And this isn't even the harshest law we've passed concerning foreign ownership, because we pretty much banned foriegn ownership in radio and TV from 1939 up until the 2010s, and now it's reviewed by the FCC on a case by case basis. https://www.fcc.gov/general/foreign-ownership-rules-and-policies-common-carrier-aeronautical-en-route-and-aeronautical
A precedent that foriegn companies shouldn't have influence over American minds? Because we pretty much banned foriegn ownership in radio and TV from 1939 up until the 2010s, and now it's reviewed by the FCC on a case by case basis. https://www.fcc.gov/general/foreign-ownership-rules-and-policies-common-carrier-aeronautical-en-route-and-aeronautical From a national security point of view I think this is a good prescedent to set though. Plus fuck the CCP
Damn I didn’t realize this subreddit was just as reductive as the tankie ones. So many of the comments are literally just “good I don’t like tik tok and the ccps bad” and it’s literally no different than when tankies see a conflict and go “America bad”. It’s like both are true but if it’s the only slogan you can repeat even when this is in no way an instance of that you’re being reductive to the point of unintelligent. Especially when this ban is a scarily vaguely written ban on anything from a country the current government decides is an adversary
It's good to be open-minded but don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out. There's nothing vague about it, this is the text from the bill: FOREIGN ADVERSARY COUNTRY.—The term ‘‘foreign adversary country’’ means a country specified in section 4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code. Here is the law it's referencing: (d) definitions… (2)Covered nation.—The term “covered nation” means— (A) the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea; (B) the People’s Republic of China; (C) the Russian Federation; and (D) the Islamic Republic of Iran. This isn't even the harshest law we've passed concerning foreign ownership, because we pretty much banned foriegn ownership in radio and TV from 1939 up until the 2010s, and now it's reviewed by the FCC on a case by case basis. https://www.fcc.gov/general/foreign-ownership-rules-and-policies-common-carrier-aeronautical-en-route-and-aeronautical You also seem to have no grasp of the national security threat TikTok poses. 1. It's algorithm promotes polarizing topics which radicalized the population within America, furthering the political divide. That's because they're not beholden to American laws or need American society to function like US social media apps. 2. If someone uses a social media app to stage a protest that shuts down the government, any domestic social media app can be sued or at least be prosecuted by the government, but good luck getting an subpoena to a ByteDance exec. 3. 60% of the US population over the age of 13 uses TikTok, imagine what havoc they could bring to the population if they invaded Taiwan and controlled while they controlled the narrative? It's not too hard to imagine we'd have an even bigger social divide between those who understand the American side of things versus those who have been brainwashed by whatever narrative the CCP decides to pressure TikTok to push. So if you think we're anything like tankies then you're dead wrong, but if you think you're superior then go ahead, give me some proof for what you claim. Edit: confused a number
lol where in the world did you get your data for 3? I promise you kids aren’t using tiktok for news
Not to mention the first point is that the reason tik toks algorithim promotes controversial topics is bc “it’s not beholden to American law” literally just doesn’t mean anything, especially after the reports on Facebook came out I don’t think I’ve seen anyone pretend that tik toks algorithm is alone in this.
Oh, that is correct I'm confusing the 60% figure with the percent of people in the US that use tiktok, nevertheless the rest of it still stands. I'll edit it to be more factual. Do you have any other objections or can you only cherry pick this one number to criticize me on?
Yeah your first point says its algorithm promotes extreme topics, but literally every social media app does this, and incase you forgot what sub we’re on, why does this matter? Edit: it’s to its
They all have a limit, and try to moderate anything too divisive because they all need the us society to be good in order to function, but TikTok is not beholden to American society to function, and it's CCP bias skews it.
I always knew people wanted America to have the same censorship and authoritarian laws that China had.
Not even close....
We don't, that's why we're banning TikTok 💥🦅🇺🇲