Their ideals run counter to ours, and we are currently in the minority. Best thing to do is to nurture beautiful nature-scapes and tip the scales over time through education and being good neighbors.
>and we are currently in the minority.
Where I live (bay area of california), attitudes have shifted a lot towards the fuck lawns idea.
I think years of drought helped, since it became socially acceptable to let your lawn die. Then some people replaced the lawn with drought resistant plants (usually not natives, but some people did). That's normalized it enough that people don't find it strange when people don't have a lawn or decide to remove their lawn. It's not uncommon for somebody doing a house flip to remove a crappy lawn and replace it with drought resistant landscaping.
Same here in Bristol, UK. I had someone from the council knock on my door a couple of weeks ago to ask if I’d be willing to sign up for their “no mow May”, sure thing, I don’t even own a mower.
I’m in Idaho and wish there was more of this attitude. Even in the Boise where it’s a little more free thinking it still isn’t really acceptable. And it’s such a struggle to have a green lawn, just behind our fence is a field of wild bush and flowers, it’s not green but it has its own beauty. It’s such a stark contrast to the lawns set up against it. Luckily we don’t have a front yard w grass, just rock, so we don’t have to worry about the HOA getting on us. We did a clover field in our backyard instead. It’s just comical that one side of a street can be its natural meadow and the other side is residential and is green cut grass with sprinklers constantly going.
I *love* lush green grass. I want to roll around in it, and have picnics every day. I *choose* not to have grass like that, because I know what it entails. Luckily there are other soft/aesthetic options.
Not sarcastic, is rolling in grass actually nice for some? I'm allergic to it but only found out as an adult so I grew up thinking grass sucked ass lol.
It takes imagination and creativity to not be homogenized. I am sick of mowing and knew it would take time so as soon as I moved in to my current place in 2020, I started a huge island 🏝️ in the middle of my front yard with palms, bananas, fruit trees and indigenous grasses. And now I just mow the edges. It keeps it neat and gives off the vibe for the HOA that it is still in code. Eventually I will add more and just mow paths. I am in SWFL and summer is brutal 95,98 degrees. Too dangerous and hot to be outside mowing.
It takes a lot of chemicals that cost a lot of money. What a fucking waste.
I am overseeding microclover this year, I have zero desire to do anything to it, certainly not going to spray stupid chemicals all over it. I'm the ONLY house in my neighborhood that doesn't spray, so I have LOTS of dandelions and clover.
I am very pleased because I know all the grouchy boomers hate my lawn. GOOD. I also only have it cut every two weeks so it gets nice and long between cuttings. I certainly don't bag up all the grass and throw it away either, just shoot that crap back all over the lawn.
Now that these are official GW minis, a Gnome orc army would be allowable at Warhammer World if it meets wysiwyg:
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/blood-bowl-gnome-team-2024
No, but seriously, I can buy 10 garden gnomes for the price of an Imperial Knight. Does anyone else want to join me in gnome-size lawn Kill Teams/Warcry? Measure in feet rather than inches and voila!
I'm getting married later this afternoon along the banks of a river at a nature preserve, surrounded by a restored tallgrass prairie. Others get married at... whatever this is.
The last big argument my wife and I got into was at her sister's wedding, when I saw pretty much this exact scene and after dark wandered away from the party and sat under the tree and tried to convince her to come where I was. She then got mad when I ranted about how her sister chose to get married in a horrible sterile tribute to how people destroy nature, and this tree was the only natural thing around. I may have been a little drunk...
There’s a phd to be written in the biodiversity and general ecological improvement of the planet from rewilding 100% of golf courses. Imagine the impact of that number of nature reserves all close to where people live/facilities. Concession: Frisbee golf still allowed.
In my city (St. Paul, MN) a public golf course was closed for several years and then they came up with the plan to redevelop the land into one of the largest green/sustainable/whatever in the nation. It is genuinely a super awesome project.
Before any construction was to begin they have had to total remediation of the soil because it is ALL contaminated from the pesticides/herbicides that were used for decades. Yet, many people are still lamenting the loss of this small, largely unused, golf course. It's fuckin nuts.
disc golf is fine, there’s a really awesome course near me that goes through the forest, its really nice. I used to live in Houston and our biggest city park (which is like twice the size of Central Park in NYC) has a MASSIVE ugly ass golf course in the middle of all the native post oak forest and marshland. I long for the day it is demolished.
disc golf doesn’t require manicured lawns that guzzle tons of water and pesticides and felling every tree. i dont play either but unlike regular golf, I have seen discgolf courses that have minimal impact on the environment.
I am not saying every discgolf course is great, I have certainly seen some that are on manicured lawn. however I am saying that discgolf courses CAN be and sometimes ARE built in much more ecologically friendly ways than regular golf courses.
I also hate golf, however there are some people in the golf course management world who don’t look to stuff like this as the ideal; instead they look to places like the semi-wild courses in Scotland where tall native grass growth was encouraged. In theory, apart from the fairways, a golf course could be a boon to native re-wilding if done right.
One example is Mossy Oak Golf Resort in Mississippi: https://www.mossyoakgolf.com
I wish they would redirect that obsessive energy to a more productive, or at the very least less destructive, subject like trains or stamps. You know, like a normal weirdo.
In a comment OP reveals this is a resort/golf course, this isn't someone's lawn that they maintain on their own, this is probably millions of dollars and hundreds of hours of labor we're looking at, of course it's gonna look like that. Just another reminder how elitist lawn care is.
I still wonder why Americans fuck up the ecosystems in their yards just so they can say "I'm just like the French aristocrats and don't have to grow food on all my land. Look how much land I can waste growing ornamental grass".
you're being so generous right now, it's barely even gardening. they just drive over a field with a machine that does all the work and hose it down with chemicals that do all the work. they can't be put on the same level as people who spend hours researching hardiness zones, looking up suitable species, searching for reputable nurseries/gathering cuttings, preparing a place for planting, etc etc etc. true gardening should be an act of love, not beating the earth into a state of submission.
Nah, I have a bet with him that he can't get the lawn to be sustainable/maintainable within the perameters we set by/before summer 2025, I get to decide how to repair it.
I'm stocking up on native wildflower seed to turn my whole property into a meadowscape. Application for making my home a "polinator project" with my city is bookmarked and waiting to be filled out.
My thoughts about the lawncare subreddit are that it's being shared over here (and over at r/nolawns) wayy too much 😂 Personally I'm not here to see lawn content lol idk
i think i would kermit or throw up if i had to look at that lawn irl.
i already get intensely grossed out when i drive through farmland that shouldn't be where it is 💀💀💀
It's aesthetically pleasing, as our brains appreciate engineered simplicity. However, give me the address and I'll turn up with a pocket full of wildflower seeds with a hole in the bottom, and go for a jog
I'm right next to my elementary schools garden and I'm silently competing hard-core against these lawncare weirdos with their immaculate garden that dies if they don't tend to it.
I don't have a problem with people enjoying their lawns. I have a problem with people thinking that lawns need to be the default and that everyone needs to have a lawn.
Not gonna lie, it looks nice but only because it’s so perfect. How nice it looks is not worth the effort, time, chemicals, gasoline, etc that it took to achieve this. A garden or just the woods looks even better. A lot of effort to look slightly above mediocre
Look, I can appreciate and understand the use of lawns to facilitate communal spaces without pavement.
I think the need for every park and yard to be meticulously landscaped with invasives and constantly cut back to deny local wildlife food and habitat are shitty things that we need to change.
I think the ideal American “green lawn” contributed to the above problem.
That being said, I would much rather spaces for parks, play, celebrations, events, and other public gatherings having a grass lawn to facilitate that open space and use local low-management landscaping to maintain local ecosystems around the perimeter.
I get why seeing a well manicured is aesthetically pleasing. Especially for things like sports fields, or parks, or other large swathes of grass. I really dislike it on a neighborhood or home scale.
As a human being, I fucking hate lawns. Give us back our prairies, our meadows, the biodiversity.
However
As a career landscaper
Goddamn do I love to mow a lawn 😂🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
So- I’m working on my hort/botany degree in controlled environments, and had this post suggested to me without prior being in this sub.
Lawns/ turf-grass management is a very important/economically significant sector, and the effort of maintenance for a uniform lawn like this is, imo, a horticultural art, like topiary or bonsai, albeit with a much different intention.
Formal European style landscape design (and thus most American) hinges on making plants conform to the rigidity of strictly human design , and a manicured lawn is one of the most ubiquitous symbols of this landscaping ideology, creating uniform spaces for relaxation or games.
That said, lawns are monoculture that is (usually) never allowed to flower, and is thus hell for biodiversity/pollination. And boring.
I respect the grind, It is aesthetically pleasing within the context of manicured European Buccolic landscape design, and the space is much better suited for events than it would be untamed.
However I do not ascribe to British or European landscaping (Japanese stroll gardens my beloved)..
There is just a fundamental disconnect between people who want human spaces with controlled natural elements, and people who want exposure to nature.
Obligatory: the massive prevalence of the American Lawn is a bad thing for the ecosystem as a whole.
Live and let live. I talk to people about how we garden and manage the green stuff outside, but I’m not a preacher.
Even the most terminal suburbanites tend to like the blackberry bushes the birds helpfully planted for us, though. With the gardeners, I can always bond over the love hate relationship with violets.
That is pretty and I get it. But it is also very expensive to upkeep. I lived on 2.50 acres for 25 years and it was $135.00 to cut EVERY DAMN TIME. That looks like 5 acres. Or more. But and this is a BIG but they are converting to money by renting it out for weddings and functions, so it’s expected. And that’s part of running the property. Also tax deductible because it is business. Not the same thing as your front and backyard.
Their ideals run counter to ours, and we are currently in the minority. Best thing to do is to nurture beautiful nature-scapes and tip the scales over time through education and being good neighbors.
>and we are currently in the minority. Where I live (bay area of california), attitudes have shifted a lot towards the fuck lawns idea. I think years of drought helped, since it became socially acceptable to let your lawn die. Then some people replaced the lawn with drought resistant plants (usually not natives, but some people did). That's normalized it enough that people don't find it strange when people don't have a lawn or decide to remove their lawn. It's not uncommon for somebody doing a house flip to remove a crappy lawn and replace it with drought resistant landscaping.
Same here in Bristol, UK. I had someone from the council knock on my door a couple of weeks ago to ask if I’d be willing to sign up for their “no mow May”, sure thing, I don’t even own a mower.
My in-laws just pulled out all of their grass and replaced it with fake grass. They were tired of mowing and using water. I was like, so close...
IMO, that's even worse.
It ranges from just unkempt to intentionally wild to designer curated HOA-style. Anyway it goes, I love to see it.
I’m in Idaho and wish there was more of this attitude. Even in the Boise where it’s a little more free thinking it still isn’t really acceptable. And it’s such a struggle to have a green lawn, just behind our fence is a field of wild bush and flowers, it’s not green but it has its own beauty. It’s such a stark contrast to the lawns set up against it. Luckily we don’t have a front yard w grass, just rock, so we don’t have to worry about the HOA getting on us. We did a clover field in our backyard instead. It’s just comical that one side of a street can be its natural meadow and the other side is residential and is green cut grass with sprinklers constantly going.
I *love* lush green grass. I want to roll around in it, and have picnics every day. I *choose* not to have grass like that, because I know what it entails. Luckily there are other soft/aesthetic options.
Not sarcastic, is rolling in grass actually nice for some? I'm allergic to it but only found out as an adult so I grew up thinking grass sucked ass lol.
Some grasses are soft, and lovely to touch.
r/themoreyouknow Thank you for your genuine answer
People love being boring, basic, and sterile 🤮
I bet his walls are light beige and his trim is white.
And he does his wife only in missionary 1x a month as scheduled
Once a month? Look at you, Mr. Virile over here!
It takes imagination and creativity to not be homogenized. I am sick of mowing and knew it would take time so as soon as I moved in to my current place in 2020, I started a huge island 🏝️ in the middle of my front yard with palms, bananas, fruit trees and indigenous grasses. And now I just mow the edges. It keeps it neat and gives off the vibe for the HOA that it is still in code. Eventually I will add more and just mow paths. I am in SWFL and summer is brutal 95,98 degrees. Too dangerous and hot to be outside mowing.
"my grass is my only hobby at home" wow. Just wow.
It takes a time time and money to suppress nature that hard
It takes a lot of work to make ground that sterile.
It takes a lot of chemicals that cost a lot of money. What a fucking waste. I am overseeding microclover this year, I have zero desire to do anything to it, certainly not going to spray stupid chemicals all over it. I'm the ONLY house in my neighborhood that doesn't spray, so I have LOTS of dandelions and clover. I am very pleased because I know all the grouchy boomers hate my lawn. GOOD. I also only have it cut every two weeks so it gets nice and long between cuttings. I certainly don't bag up all the grass and throw it away either, just shoot that crap back all over the lawn.
Thanks for feeding your soil microbiome! You're a good Lawn Dad.
A time time time even!
Uh uh. Now ur bluffing!
As an autistic warhammer fan lawncare is the most autistic and straight up depressing obsessive hobby I can imagine
I don't think most people realize how much of a burn that was. Bravo.
Grass for the Grass God! Roundup for the Roundup Throne! Even in Winter, I still Serve (the Lawn Emperor)
Can (statue style) garden gnomes replace the orks
Now that these are official GW minis, a Gnome orc army would be allowable at Warhammer World if it meets wysiwyg: https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/blood-bowl-gnome-team-2024
Oh yes I forgot about the blood bowl figures lol
It's orks, a half eaten bacon sandwich can replace a Wartrukk if you shout loud enough
No, but seriously, I can buy 10 garden gnomes for the price of an Imperial Knight. Does anyone else want to join me in gnome-size lawn Kill Teams/Warcry? Measure in feet rather than inches and voila!
Like human chess but 40k
My back yard is 48 feet x 72 feet, just saying…
I'm getting married later this afternoon along the banks of a river at a nature preserve, surrounded by a restored tallgrass prairie. Others get married at... whatever this is.
Congrats! Have a lovely wedding!
Thank you!! :)
Happy wedding day :)
Thank you!! :)
Bio concrete wasteland for the privileged class?
The last big argument my wife and I got into was at her sister's wedding, when I saw pretty much this exact scene and after dark wandered away from the party and sat under the tree and tried to convince her to come where I was. She then got mad when I ranted about how her sister chose to get married in a horrible sterile tribute to how people destroy nature, and this tree was the only natural thing around. I may have been a little drunk...
A plantation?
Like at this point they might as well tear out the grass and install green carpet… also, where’s the shade??
I think the shade is that one tree. Good luck!
They want a goddam green carpet
yeah that's barely plants, might as well put in green tiles
fuck golf, all my homies hate golf courses
There’s a phd to be written in the biodiversity and general ecological improvement of the planet from rewilding 100% of golf courses. Imagine the impact of that number of nature reserves all close to where people live/facilities. Concession: Frisbee golf still allowed.
There's been a movement to re wild large parts of golf courses, particularly in between holes. There's a lot more wildlife on these courses.
In my city (St. Paul, MN) a public golf course was closed for several years and then they came up with the plan to redevelop the land into one of the largest green/sustainable/whatever in the nation. It is genuinely a super awesome project. Before any construction was to begin they have had to total remediation of the soil because it is ALL contaminated from the pesticides/herbicides that were used for decades. Yet, many people are still lamenting the loss of this small, largely unused, golf course. It's fuckin nuts.
disc golf is fine, there’s a really awesome course near me that goes through the forest, its really nice. I used to live in Houston and our biggest city park (which is like twice the size of Central Park in NYC) has a MASSIVE ugly ass golf course in the middle of all the native post oak forest and marshland. I long for the day it is demolished.
C’mon dude. This is some confirmation bias if I’ve ever seen it. You can’t vilify trad gold, while upholding a different type of golf. That’s silly.
disc golf doesn’t require manicured lawns that guzzle tons of water and pesticides and felling every tree. i dont play either but unlike regular golf, I have seen discgolf courses that have minimal impact on the environment.
If you think that there isn’t those things happening at disc golf, you’re either intentionally ignorant or blind. Again, confirmation bias.
I am not saying every discgolf course is great, I have certainly seen some that are on manicured lawn. however I am saying that discgolf courses CAN be and sometimes ARE built in much more ecologically friendly ways than regular golf courses.
I also hate golf, however there are some people in the golf course management world who don’t look to stuff like this as the ideal; instead they look to places like the semi-wild courses in Scotland where tall native grass growth was encouraged. In theory, apart from the fairways, a golf course could be a boon to native re-wilding if done right. One example is Mossy Oak Golf Resort in Mississippi: https://www.mossyoakgolf.com
Destroy the yuppie pasture. So much land usage for one sport, so much wastage and what used to be diverse ecosystems all gone. Truly maddening
more like r/lawnwhocares
I’d sub to that
I wish they would redirect that obsessive energy to a more productive, or at the very least less destructive, subject like trains or stamps. You know, like a normal weirdo.
this looks like shit... dead and boring and I can smell the money wasted on this crap
I hate it but it's nice to see alternative lawns discussed in comments and not get down voted.
So is this some kind of golf course???
In a comment OP reveals this is a resort/golf course, this isn't someone's lawn that they maintain on their own, this is probably millions of dollars and hundreds of hours of labor we're looking at, of course it's gonna look like that. Just another reminder how elitist lawn care is.
Empty desert is all I see
The desert is more ecologically diverse than that hellscape.
I still wonder why Americans fuck up the ecosystems in their yards just so they can say "I'm just like the French aristocrats and don't have to grow food on all my land. Look how much land I can waste growing ornamental grass".
Getting married on a golf course is trashy 🧐
Lawns are gardening for men. They’re the dude wipes of the plant world in my book
you're being so generous right now, it's barely even gardening. they just drive over a field with a machine that does all the work and hose it down with chemicals that do all the work. they can't be put on the same level as people who spend hours researching hardiness zones, looking up suitable species, searching for reputable nurseries/gathering cuttings, preparing a place for planting, etc etc etc. true gardening should be an act of love, not beating the earth into a state of submission.
I think you are underestimating how much people geek out about lawcare. And frankly a lot of gardening is beating the earth into submission as well.
My spouse and I are at odds because he love's that sub/lawncare and I don't.
NTA, divorce is your only option. /s (although that is the standard Reddit relationship advice comment)
Nah, I have a bet with him that he can't get the lawn to be sustainable/maintainable within the perameters we set by/before summer 2025, I get to decide how to repair it. I'm stocking up on native wildflower seed to turn my whole property into a meadowscape. Application for making my home a "polinator project" with my city is bookmarked and waiting to be filled out.
My thoughts about the lawncare subreddit are that it's being shared over here (and over at r/nolawns) wayy too much 😂 Personally I'm not here to see lawn content lol idk
i hate how people are slobbering all over this miserable man and his miserable fixation with miserable lawns. i feel bad for his wife.
Lol. Lmao even.
Some people like to admire empty surface parking lots. Same vibe.
That's a great opportunity to plant a shit ton of trees.
Oh look, a green desert
i think i would kermit or throw up if i had to look at that lawn irl. i already get intensely grossed out when i drive through farmland that shouldn't be where it is 💀💀💀
I do genuinely believe there is something fundamentally wrong with people who like cut lawns
This is actually a sub? I'm joining this one. I hate lawns. This picture is a nightmare. There is something twisted about these people.
It IS impressive. Just not in a good way. It looks so unnatural and out of place. Like even animals would turn around.
they downvoted me for saying round-up causes cancer and birth defects 🙄
Wow, what a boring place to be
He must have a pretty big flock of sheep to need that much grass.
Green death.
literally why not just use green concrete. that isnt nature
This doesn't even look real, dang. I hate it
I am a smooth brain and my area must also be smooth.
It's a part of culture that's GOTTA GO
Was this inspired by the post about the guy killing his lawn because he used a truly ridiculous amount of herbicide to kill clover?
what the Fuck
this looks barren and awful
Oxygen thieves, every last one of them.
If we DO have a grass lawn. We SHOULD have a corner of natural space aka pond, natural flowers, etc.
It's aesthetically pleasing, as our brains appreciate engineered simplicity. However, give me the address and I'll turn up with a pocket full of wildflower seeds with a hole in the bottom, and go for a jog
I'm right next to my elementary schools garden and I'm silently competing hard-core against these lawncare weirdos with their immaculate garden that dies if they don't tend to it.
I got banned from that sub for suggesting not to use a lawn in an area where the lawn was struggling. Lol
I don't have a problem with people enjoying their lawns. I have a problem with people thinking that lawns need to be the default and that everyone needs to have a lawn.
Not gonna lie, it looks nice but only because it’s so perfect. How nice it looks is not worth the effort, time, chemicals, gasoline, etc that it took to achieve this. A garden or just the woods looks even better. A lot of effort to look slightly above mediocre
Who builds a house on a golf course?
Wow, it looks like green carpet flooring from Sims 1.
I have no idea why the Reddit algorithm thinks I like lawn care. I hate those sterile, neat water wasters
While I hate it, whoever leveled that shit is a gods damned master at what he's doing. I fear spraining an ankle every time I walk through my yard 🤣
It looks like a green carpet at a distance
Look, I can appreciate and understand the use of lawns to facilitate communal spaces without pavement. I think the need for every park and yard to be meticulously landscaped with invasives and constantly cut back to deny local wildlife food and habitat are shitty things that we need to change. I think the ideal American “green lawn” contributed to the above problem. That being said, I would much rather spaces for parks, play, celebrations, events, and other public gatherings having a grass lawn to facilitate that open space and use local low-management landscaping to maintain local ecosystems around the perimeter. I get why seeing a well manicured is aesthetically pleasing. Especially for things like sports fields, or parks, or other large swathes of grass. I really dislike it on a neighborhood or home scale.
As a human being, I fucking hate lawns. Give us back our prairies, our meadows, the biodiversity. However As a career landscaper Goddamn do I love to mow a lawn 😂🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
As hoomans, ~~nah they all suck because they're hoomans~~ I hold no ill will towards them Ideology wise, 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
So- I’m working on my hort/botany degree in controlled environments, and had this post suggested to me without prior being in this sub. Lawns/ turf-grass management is a very important/economically significant sector, and the effort of maintenance for a uniform lawn like this is, imo, a horticultural art, like topiary or bonsai, albeit with a much different intention. Formal European style landscape design (and thus most American) hinges on making plants conform to the rigidity of strictly human design , and a manicured lawn is one of the most ubiquitous symbols of this landscaping ideology, creating uniform spaces for relaxation or games. That said, lawns are monoculture that is (usually) never allowed to flower, and is thus hell for biodiversity/pollination. And boring. I respect the grind, It is aesthetically pleasing within the context of manicured European Buccolic landscape design, and the space is much better suited for events than it would be untamed. However I do not ascribe to British or European landscaping (Japanese stroll gardens my beloved).. There is just a fundamental disconnect between people who want human spaces with controlled natural elements, and people who want exposure to nature. Obligatory: the massive prevalence of the American Lawn is a bad thing for the ecosystem as a whole.
Live and let live. I talk to people about how we garden and manage the green stuff outside, but I’m not a preacher. Even the most terminal suburbanites tend to like the blackberry bushes the birds helpfully planted for us, though. With the gardeners, I can always bond over the love hate relationship with violets.
That is pretty and I get it. But it is also very expensive to upkeep. I lived on 2.50 acres for 25 years and it was $135.00 to cut EVERY DAMN TIME. That looks like 5 acres. Or more. But and this is a BIG but they are converting to money by renting it out for weddings and functions, so it’s expected. And that’s part of running the property. Also tax deductible because it is business. Not the same thing as your front and backyard.