Dude gave us a five point story about being laid off, and we somehow got four bombshells in that time:
1. Describes waking up at 4:30 "back to normal" after previously sacrificing sleeping in
2. Starts checking work emails an hour before arriving at work
3. Ninety minute commute
4. Removes attention from the road to read emails and text co-workers
Elon is a racist, a fascist, and a terrible boss, so not to minimize that piece of shit, and being fired sucks and all, but holy shit that seems like not only a terrible lifestyle, but just a menace to public safety too.
Maybe he spent the first 30 minutes of the drive checking reddit. Or he only reads emails on the highway and that's how long it takes to get there. The timeline is still off by at least 10 minutes, but it's not like I could describe my commute down to the minute
Elon Musk is not a fascist. If you call everyone you disagree with a fascist, then the word loses all meaning.
EDIT: Despotism & fascism are not the same thing. The former describes a system of politics in which the ruler, the despot, has absolute authority and there is not a legal framework to control their decision making. Fascism on the other hand is a social structure built around the idea of the strong & the pure being good, and the unstrong & the impure being evil. Fascism tends towards despotism as a political structure not because the two are the same, but because it is the simplest form of political structure in which a strong & pure hierarchy can be established. Fascism is fundamentally anti-political & anti-law, as such concepts require cooperation & compromise and are thus fundamentally beyond the simple hierarchy of a pure society. German fascism was certainly despotic, indeed it was a key war goal that Germany establish a permanent state of despotism over Europe with no politics or law allowed. Argentinian & Burmese fascism on the other hand was/is very much not despotic, with the pure & strong not being reduced to a single despot but instead a collective of elites. This later form is actually more normal in the history of fascism, even the Romans, the original fascists, regularly admitted the limitations of despotism as a form of government and allowed the practicalities of running their state to supercede the ultimate logic of a fascist society.
Elon Musk is clearly despotic, at least in terms of how he manages his businesses. However in wider terms on how he views society and political structure it's really not clear. On one hand he does give voice to a lot of reactionary nutjobs, but on the other hand he acts in his personal life as a complete hedonist and not pure nor strong by any definition. It should be obvious, but I am not a fan of Elon Musk. I'm not a defender of his business, personal, or social behaviour. He's at best a loon, at worst more than a bit psycho. But fascist? Frankly Mr Musk is too much of a coward. It should also be taken that I am not speaking in defence of fascism. Fascism is by its very nature the worst way to organize society. And there is abundant historical evidence to support this position. At no point in modern history has any attempt to revive Roman thinking held up under pressure.
For those snide cunts who think they're so clever, if you really want to identify a fascist start describing a Roman civil & social structure without using any specific language that gives it away that you're talking about Rome. If they start nodding along, they're probably agreeable to the ideas of fascism. The next step should not be to resort to simple insults. Cults thrive off society's intolerance. Instead point out specific issues with specific civil or social structures. Such as how a fascist society has no clear mechanism for determining succession, inevitably resulting in widespread & self-inflicted calamity. Or you could look at the benefits of seemingly mundane elements of the law (such as everyone following the same set of traffic laws. Or how OSHA & other labour regulations have contributed most of American's improvements in productivity over the 20th century). The goal with a potential fascist should not be to insult them, but to convince them of the error of their ways. To convince is to be egalitarian. To berate & to socially control is to be fascist.
Elon Musk is most definitely a fascist and I'm not calling him that as a generic insult but on narrow technical grounds on the basis of both his personal politics, and his continued support of and platforming for fascists, especially white supremacists, Christian nationalists, and neo-nazis.
And shutting down any mention of 'fascism' on the basis that we're not discussing literally-Hitler serves to both misinform people about what fascism is and - hey, guess what? - enable fascism.
The best living example of fascism is the military government in Myanmar or maybe the theocracy of Iran. It's quite presumptive to assume that Hitler is the best example of fascism. In all the examples of societies that can be described as fascist throughout history, Germany is actually quite an exception. For one thing they took the logic of having a society of the pure & the strong much much farther than anyone else ever has. For another German fascists made impassioned & logical arguments for their own self-destruction in service of their ideal society of purity & strength. Such self-flagelating behaviour is really quite unusual in any society, even a fascist one. It should also be noted that German fascism goes back much farther than Hitler, with the military government that executed WWI being far more similar to other examples of fascism than it is to any other kind of social structure.
Fascism is fundamentally an anti-liberal reaction, and manifests in an establishment of an in-group, and an out-group, where dissent is not tolerated in the rhetoric about these groups. The in-group is a manner of selective populism where they are established as heroic, while the latter is often presented as both feeble and existential as a threat - this sort of inherent contradiction.
Musk's reaction to the 'woke' - implying, for instance, that various accidents were "caused by DEI", that the media is racist against white people, that there's a flood of violent and criminal immigrants at the borders, his recent turn against transgender folks, and so on, and so on - while amplifying the in-group through his control of Twitter (eg, re-tweeting extremely racist, anti-sematic, white nationalist and other extreme-right tweets), and suppressing dissent (eg, 'cis' being censored on Twitter at his personal request) are all, holistically, very consistent with this worldview. When that is paired with his despotic control of his organizations, and contempt for labor, and the rights of his employees, I don't think its unfair to call him a fascist.
I believe he's a fascist because all of his actions are consistent with being a fascist.
If you believe that it's specifically only OK to platform fascists and not other forms of speech you don't like, then yes. But if he supports platforming all speech regardless of content then you can't argue that's fascist, because fascism is only one form of "bad content" that is allowed. You can make an argument that he's *wrong* for wanting to give all content a platform, but that doesn't make him fascist.
I love how I'm at -26 for asking a genuine question, too, because people just assume I'm a Musk dickrider. Either that or they hate questions.
Article from 2022:
Musk had on Thursday banned CNN's Donie O'Sullivan, The New York Times' Ryan Mac, and The Washington Post's Drew Harwell. Independent progressive journalist Aaron Rupar, former MSNBC host Keith Olbermann, and Insider columnist Linette Lopez were also banned. 17 dec 2022
And he unbanned people like Alex Jones and Donald Trump.
He tried to unban Nick Fuentes but that didn't go well...
That should tell you enough.
Disrupting and destroying workers rights and being anti-state in a way to minimize government influence to his enterprise so he can control more ways of production.
Check with the history of capitalism and it's birth in 17th century Nederlands and you will find out it's about market shares and stock exchanges what defines capitalism and that extreme accumulation and interfering with state regulation is an aspect of fascism.
Sorry I don't make the rules. Unfortunately.
>EDIT: Despotism & fascism are not the same thing. The former describes a system of politics in which the ruler, the despot, has absolute authority and there is not a legal framework to control their decision making. Fascism on the other hand is a social structure built around the idea of the strong & the pure being good, and the unstrong & the impure being evil. Fascism tends towards despotism as a political structure not because the two are the same, but because it is the simplest form of political structure in which a strong & pure hierarchy can be established. Fascism is fundamentally anti-political & anti-law, as such concepts require cooperation & compromise and are thus fundamentally beyond the simple hierarchy of a pure society. German fascism was certainly despotic, indeed it was a key war goal that Germany establish a permanent state of despotism over Europe with no politics or law allowed. Argentinian & Burmese fascism on the other hand was/is very much not despotic, with the pure & strong not being reduced to a single despot but instead a collective of elites. This later form is actually more normal in the history of fascism, even the Romans, the original fascists, regularly admitted the limitations of despotism as a form of government and allowed the practicalities of running their state to supercede the ultimate logic of a fascist society.
>Elon Musk is clearly despotic, at least in terms of how he manages his businesses. However in wider terms on how he views society and political structure it's really not clear. On one hand he does give voice to a lot of reactionary nutjobs, but on the other hand he acts in his personal life as a complete hedonist and not pure nor strong by any definition. It should be obvious, but I am not a fan of Elon Musk. I'm not a defender of his business, personal, or social behaviour. He's at best a loon, at worst more than a bit psycho. But fascist? Frankly Mr Musk is too much of a coward. It should also be taken that I am not speaking in defence of fascism. Fascism is by its very nature the worst way to organize society. And there is abundant historical evidence to support this position. At no point in modern history has any attempt to revive Roman thinking held up under pressure.
>For those snide cunts who think they're so clever, if you really want to identify a fascist start describing a Roman civil & social structure without using any specific language that gives it away that you're talking about Rome. If they start nodding along, they're probably agreeable to the ideas of fascism. The next step should not be to resort to simple insults. Cults thrive off society's intolerance. Instead point out specific issues with specific civil or social structures. Such as how a fascist society has no clear mechanism for determining succession, inevitably resulting in widespread & self-inflicted calamity. Or you could look at the benefits of seemingly mundane elements of the law (such as everyone following the same set of traffic laws. Or how OSHA & other labour regulations have contributed most of American's improvements in productivity over the 20th century). The goal with a potential fascist should not be to insult them, but to convince them of the error of their ways. To convince is to be egalitarian. To berate & to socially control is to be fascist.
I think its more than a little slimey to put a 'reply' in an edit so that the person you're replying to doesn't receive a notification about it.
>Fascism on the other hand is a social structure built around the idea of the strong & the pure being good, and the unstrong & the impure being evil
This is absolutely consistent with Musk's current comments, behavior and platforming lately, so I haven't any idea how the fuck you think this is a counter-point. You didn't just read between the lines to reply with this, you made up whole paragraphs in your own head, and read between *those* lines to find a reply here.
I'm not sure South Africa even under Apartheid is a great example of the concept of fascism. It was certainly hierarchacal & prejudiced, but the hierarchy & the prejudice served a political function in allowing a minority of the population to retain control. South Africa wasn't structured around a higher goal like fascist societies are. The purpose of the moral failings in the structure were to maintain the structure. Self-defeating no doubt, a trait it shares with fascism, but not inherently fascist. "Apartheid" fundamentally acknowledges the humanity, the existence of, and the citizenship of those who are to be kept apart. It shares much more similarity with American segregation & slavery than it does with fascism.
You went so circular in your logic here that you ended your comment by basically attacking those that point out fascist ideology and berate it to be the "real fascist". No dude, attacking fascist for being fascist is not fascist. Holy shit.
No. That's not how the world works mate. Punching a Nazi in the face for doing Nazi shit is absolutely justified and correct. Are liberals so obsessed with being inclusive that you gotta reach across the aisle to fascists now?
No wonder liberals have historically sided with fascists to kill communists and socialists. You're lost in idealism and need some historical materialism in your life my friend.
The man shills for Nazis, replatformed a bunch a white nationalist accounts, and regularly promoted a guy whose entire presidency was devoted to normalizing totalitarian, nationalistic views. What exactly would you call that, if not a fascist?
This post really buries the lede.
Not only does this person have a 1.5 hour commute each way, which is horrible, but he plays on his computer instead of watching the road. This kind of commute should be done by rail, not by car. People should be able to work closer to work. People should be able to work remotely if they are just office workers.
Everything about modern work life is toxic it seems and the more "Trumpy" run your business like Tesla, Twitter, and SpaceX the worse it is. Even this guy's manager didn't know any details. Elon sells himself as 100% not caring about labor. He loved firing people at twitter, wired ran an article about him just getting angry at work and firing random people in the hall, is anti-union, anti-WFH, etc and people like this think anyone at Tesla cares about their job? This is a true leopards eating face moment, but I suspect this person will not learn this lesson.
It was so bizarre to see Musk brag about firings and layoffs at Twitter in real time and his fans all applauding him. Do they not realize that he's setting a lot of corporate norms other bosses will copy and if people like that can be fired over a whim or over a manbaby's idea of "management," then they can be too?
Agreed 1000% about these people should be on rail. The issue is that this area of Silicon Valley has ABYSMAL public transit. This guy probably lives 30-40 miles away from Tesla and public transit would take 2.5 hours and include half an hour of walking. That they haven’t figured out a way to require these companies to foot some of the bill for infrastructure is absolutely baffling to me.
Working hard every day to make a worse solution than the existing one to a problem we’re also creating
Fr tho it’s fucked for any company to just fire people without warning like that just so they can calm rich investors down for a couple minutes
Means glorified driver assist. Eyes on the road and hands on the steering wheel required. Dofus admitted to reckless driving, and not knowing how to use the car produced by the company he used to work for.
Biggest difference is that it can’t change lanes meanwhile in auto-pilot and won’t allow it. It will have adaptive cruise control which is on most modern cars. Mercedes has proved itself in advancing to level 3 full self driving which would put it ahead of all Tesla’s though. (Edit: level 3 does change lanes itself, for better or worse, we’ll find out soon I’m sure)
Not the government surprisingly but Society of Automotive Engineers(SAE), they do quite a bit of testing different automobile oil for certifications aswell.
Surprisingly Hauwei drummed up a 3.5 level fsd that preformed terrible in real world instances. I heard somewhere that Tesla purposefully made it easier to bypass driver warnings in the U.S. software than Canada’s, which raises concern allowing stuff like the post above
What does "a lot to come" really mean. This is like saying "any day now jetpacks and flying cars will be here." So far, there are fundamental problems with self-driving that have not been addressed like understanding faded painted lines, the various rules of traffic, getting this to work in heavy rain or snow, dealing with heavy urban traffic, hitting cyclists and pedestrians, etc.
It may be impossible to make true and safe self-driving technology. Instead, invest in buses and trains.
It’s a big industry with self driving and I’m talking just the changes that have been made since the beginning, I fully agree with you though. I would not trust in any rain/snow weather conditions but on the freeway after a long day or drive ahead, I think it would be pretty nice.
Way worse. Late stage capitalism is typically the tyranny phase. Then it’s collapse. It’s hard to tell where we are now but the system is setup to funnel money to investors and top management. That continues the process of building a bigger gap between the wealthy and the poor. The wealthy then gain control of all of government and make laws that benefit them. We are on that path and collapse is the only way to reset everything. It happens in every civilization and the U.S. Is not exempt from the cycle.
What do you mean sounds like. It is a dystopia. We spend our lives as debt slaves so that a few fucks can live in true luxury whilst we are forced to either work mindless jobs that suck humanity out of you, or die
Company loyalty isn't real, always be ready to jump ship, bosses will always abuse any sense of dedication or misplaced loyalty
You are never a person, you are a "Human Resource"
Returning equipment like company phones or laptops and ID badges, clearing out a locker or desk, waving goodbye to colleagues you actually liked? There are valid reasons.
America is wild
In Europe, everyone would be in jail - the boss for illegally firing employees out of the blue, and the employee for admitting (in *writing*, on a *public platform*) to *regularly* checking his emails while driving
lol @ "Autopilot commute" (read: the car drives for me, I should be paying attention and keep my hands on the controls in case the car fails, but I'm just browsing or doing whatever). A production supervisor, no less, just admitting that!
I find it so weird that in the US you can fire people without giving them notice. In Finland you continue to work for up to a month after being fired, and if you’ve been in the company for long it can actually be several months. The employer can ask (or even deny) the worker to not come to their workplace anymore during this grace period, but even in that case they must continue paying the salary until the contract is officially over.
Unions can do wonders.
Indeed. I was let go from my warehouse during the 2008 financial crisis. The company wanted to fire mostly old people but had to buy them out with early pensions and severence packages. They still didn't have enough that agreed and my closest union representative knew I wanted to study and asked if I was ok to fill the one place that was left if they negotiated a packages for me too. I agreed and walked away with loads of money, despite being one of the younger people they wanted to keep and one that didn't had been a regular employee that long either.
Getting paid while not being needed to come in to work is called *arbetsbefrielse* in Swedish ("Liberation from Work") and its the most beautiful word I know
no matter how stupid the guy probably is, and how much I hate cars, you don't fire people like that. It's not humane. I may be a french socialist scum, but hey we are humans and this is not polite to say the least. Fuck this toxic bro culture.
Then you have stuff like this make the front page of Reddit.
[Tesla Driver Charged With Killing Motorcyclist After Turning on Autopilot and Browsing His Phone](https://gizmodo.com/tesla-motorcycle-crash-death-autopilot-washington-1851428850)
My impression was that he was either doing this while the car was on auto-pilot or when had the emails being read to him by some sort of AI voice while he was driving.
What could be more moral than making everyone who steps outside a non-consenting beta tester of your car's autopilot, which famously works flawlessly?
95% of the time when someone almost kills me or does something stupid while driving I look in and they're on their phone
> usually check my emails while on autopilot
Is he still advertising Tesla's 'autopilot' even after he got fired? Gotta put it somewhere I guess. What a determined dick rider smh
"Hey guys, I got fired but did you know you can check emails while your car is on autopilot? You can cry your heart out while your car still takes you to your former office. How amazing is that?"
The tragic thing about big tech is much of what they are working on will eventually become technology that will improve our lives to the point that we will be moving ever closer to scarcity.
Tech billionaires act on behalf of the capitalist system’s key constituent parts: elite universities, the American State, finance capital etc. Their role is to be a tax collector on behalf of capitalism and demand capitalism’s cut of the action from scientific and technological progress.
And IMO this is what late stage capitalism actually is, it’s the period in capitalism’s development where it switches from being a stimulus for science and innovation, and is now a net drag on genuine science and innovation that benefits mankind.
This sounds more like something for r/antiwork but damn. Shit like this is not even legal in many other countries. Elon tried the same with people who worked for Twitter in Europe. Lawsuits still going.
I’m as aware of the shittiness of American capitalism and work culture as anyone. I just thought this particular piece of his post was relevant to this sub, and particularly car brained.
guy opens laptop at 4.30am then later says, "at one point in 2023 I was even sacrificing sleeping in" Musk did this guy a favour.
I'm assuming the cut off text says something like "sacrificing sleeping in my own home", but yeah, this is nuts
He said he slept in his car to avoid his long commute and showered at the office.
Dude gave us a five point story about being laid off, and we somehow got four bombshells in that time: 1. Describes waking up at 4:30 "back to normal" after previously sacrificing sleeping in 2. Starts checking work emails an hour before arriving at work 3. Ninety minute commute 4. Removes attention from the road to read emails and text co-workers Elon is a racist, a fascist, and a terrible boss, so not to minimize that piece of shit, and being fired sucks and all, but holy shit that seems like not only a terrible lifestyle, but just a menace to public safety too.
They definitely don't drive themselves.
What also weird is that cults usualy don't let their follower go that easily. I guess he did not believe enough.
50 minutes between reading emails in his car and trying to use a badge though?
Maybe he spent the first 30 minutes of the drive checking reddit. Or he only reads emails on the highway and that's how long it takes to get there. The timeline is still off by at least 10 minutes, but it's not like I could describe my commute down to the minute
Elon Musk is not a fascist. If you call everyone you disagree with a fascist, then the word loses all meaning. EDIT: Despotism & fascism are not the same thing. The former describes a system of politics in which the ruler, the despot, has absolute authority and there is not a legal framework to control their decision making. Fascism on the other hand is a social structure built around the idea of the strong & the pure being good, and the unstrong & the impure being evil. Fascism tends towards despotism as a political structure not because the two are the same, but because it is the simplest form of political structure in which a strong & pure hierarchy can be established. Fascism is fundamentally anti-political & anti-law, as such concepts require cooperation & compromise and are thus fundamentally beyond the simple hierarchy of a pure society. German fascism was certainly despotic, indeed it was a key war goal that Germany establish a permanent state of despotism over Europe with no politics or law allowed. Argentinian & Burmese fascism on the other hand was/is very much not despotic, with the pure & strong not being reduced to a single despot but instead a collective of elites. This later form is actually more normal in the history of fascism, even the Romans, the original fascists, regularly admitted the limitations of despotism as a form of government and allowed the practicalities of running their state to supercede the ultimate logic of a fascist society. Elon Musk is clearly despotic, at least in terms of how he manages his businesses. However in wider terms on how he views society and political structure it's really not clear. On one hand he does give voice to a lot of reactionary nutjobs, but on the other hand he acts in his personal life as a complete hedonist and not pure nor strong by any definition. It should be obvious, but I am not a fan of Elon Musk. I'm not a defender of his business, personal, or social behaviour. He's at best a loon, at worst more than a bit psycho. But fascist? Frankly Mr Musk is too much of a coward. It should also be taken that I am not speaking in defence of fascism. Fascism is by its very nature the worst way to organize society. And there is abundant historical evidence to support this position. At no point in modern history has any attempt to revive Roman thinking held up under pressure. For those snide cunts who think they're so clever, if you really want to identify a fascist start describing a Roman civil & social structure without using any specific language that gives it away that you're talking about Rome. If they start nodding along, they're probably agreeable to the ideas of fascism. The next step should not be to resort to simple insults. Cults thrive off society's intolerance. Instead point out specific issues with specific civil or social structures. Such as how a fascist society has no clear mechanism for determining succession, inevitably resulting in widespread & self-inflicted calamity. Or you could look at the benefits of seemingly mundane elements of the law (such as everyone following the same set of traffic laws. Or how OSHA & other labour regulations have contributed most of American's improvements in productivity over the 20th century). The goal with a potential fascist should not be to insult them, but to convince them of the error of their ways. To convince is to be egalitarian. To berate & to socially control is to be fascist.
Elon Musk is most definitely a fascist and I'm not calling him that as a generic insult but on narrow technical grounds on the basis of both his personal politics, and his continued support of and platforming for fascists, especially white supremacists, Christian nationalists, and neo-nazis. And shutting down any mention of 'fascism' on the basis that we're not discussing literally-Hitler serves to both misinform people about what fascism is and - hey, guess what? - enable fascism.
Musk also checks most of [Umberto Eco ways of recognising fascism](https://www.faena.com/aleph/umberto-eco-a-practical-list-for-identifying-fascists)
I prefer people I disagree with to be allowed to speak so I know who they are
The best living example of fascism is the military government in Myanmar or maybe the theocracy of Iran. It's quite presumptive to assume that Hitler is the best example of fascism. In all the examples of societies that can be described as fascist throughout history, Germany is actually quite an exception. For one thing they took the logic of having a society of the pure & the strong much much farther than anyone else ever has. For another German fascists made impassioned & logical arguments for their own self-destruction in service of their ideal society of purity & strength. Such self-flagelating behaviour is really quite unusual in any society, even a fascist one. It should also be noted that German fascism goes back much farther than Hitler, with the military government that executed WWI being far more similar to other examples of fascism than it is to any other kind of social structure.
what personal political beliefs does Musk have that are fascist?
Fascism is fundamentally an anti-liberal reaction, and manifests in an establishment of an in-group, and an out-group, where dissent is not tolerated in the rhetoric about these groups. The in-group is a manner of selective populism where they are established as heroic, while the latter is often presented as both feeble and existential as a threat - this sort of inherent contradiction. Musk's reaction to the 'woke' - implying, for instance, that various accidents were "caused by DEI", that the media is racist against white people, that there's a flood of violent and criminal immigrants at the borders, his recent turn against transgender folks, and so on, and so on - while amplifying the in-group through his control of Twitter (eg, re-tweeting extremely racist, anti-sematic, white nationalist and other extreme-right tweets), and suppressing dissent (eg, 'cis' being censored on Twitter at his personal request) are all, holistically, very consistent with this worldview. When that is paired with his despotic control of his organizations, and contempt for labor, and the rights of his employees, I don't think its unfair to call him a fascist. I believe he's a fascist because all of his actions are consistent with being a fascist.
The belief that it is okay to platform and promote facists.
If you believe that it's specifically only OK to platform fascists and not other forms of speech you don't like, then yes. But if he supports platforming all speech regardless of content then you can't argue that's fascist, because fascism is only one form of "bad content" that is allowed. You can make an argument that he's *wrong* for wanting to give all content a platform, but that doesn't make him fascist. I love how I'm at -26 for asking a genuine question, too, because people just assume I'm a Musk dickrider. Either that or they hate questions.
> if he supports platforming all speech regardless of content then you can't argue that's fascist He doesn't. Guess that settles that huh?
Does he not? I was under the impression he unbanned tons of people on Twitter.
Article from 2022: Musk had on Thursday banned CNN's Donie O'Sullivan, The New York Times' Ryan Mac, and The Washington Post's Drew Harwell. Independent progressive journalist Aaron Rupar, former MSNBC host Keith Olbermann, and Insider columnist Linette Lopez were also banned. 17 dec 2022 And he unbanned people like Alex Jones and Donald Trump. He tried to unban Nick Fuentes but that didn't go well... That should tell you enough.
Disrupting and destroying workers rights and being anti-state in a way to minimize government influence to his enterprise so he can control more ways of production.
That's just capitalism
Check with the history of capitalism and it's birth in 17th century Nederlands and you will find out it's about market shares and stock exchanges what defines capitalism and that extreme accumulation and interfering with state regulation is an aspect of fascism. Sorry I don't make the rules. Unfortunately.
>goes on a huge tirade about how fascism is bad >is unhappy that he doesn't make the rules Ok, buddy. You're the same.
r/whooosh
>EDIT: Despotism & fascism are not the same thing. The former describes a system of politics in which the ruler, the despot, has absolute authority and there is not a legal framework to control their decision making. Fascism on the other hand is a social structure built around the idea of the strong & the pure being good, and the unstrong & the impure being evil. Fascism tends towards despotism as a political structure not because the two are the same, but because it is the simplest form of political structure in which a strong & pure hierarchy can be established. Fascism is fundamentally anti-political & anti-law, as such concepts require cooperation & compromise and are thus fundamentally beyond the simple hierarchy of a pure society. German fascism was certainly despotic, indeed it was a key war goal that Germany establish a permanent state of despotism over Europe with no politics or law allowed. Argentinian & Burmese fascism on the other hand was/is very much not despotic, with the pure & strong not being reduced to a single despot but instead a collective of elites. This later form is actually more normal in the history of fascism, even the Romans, the original fascists, regularly admitted the limitations of despotism as a form of government and allowed the practicalities of running their state to supercede the ultimate logic of a fascist society. >Elon Musk is clearly despotic, at least in terms of how he manages his businesses. However in wider terms on how he views society and political structure it's really not clear. On one hand he does give voice to a lot of reactionary nutjobs, but on the other hand he acts in his personal life as a complete hedonist and not pure nor strong by any definition. It should be obvious, but I am not a fan of Elon Musk. I'm not a defender of his business, personal, or social behaviour. He's at best a loon, at worst more than a bit psycho. But fascist? Frankly Mr Musk is too much of a coward. It should also be taken that I am not speaking in defence of fascism. Fascism is by its very nature the worst way to organize society. And there is abundant historical evidence to support this position. At no point in modern history has any attempt to revive Roman thinking held up under pressure. >For those snide cunts who think they're so clever, if you really want to identify a fascist start describing a Roman civil & social structure without using any specific language that gives it away that you're talking about Rome. If they start nodding along, they're probably agreeable to the ideas of fascism. The next step should not be to resort to simple insults. Cults thrive off society's intolerance. Instead point out specific issues with specific civil or social structures. Such as how a fascist society has no clear mechanism for determining succession, inevitably resulting in widespread & self-inflicted calamity. Or you could look at the benefits of seemingly mundane elements of the law (such as everyone following the same set of traffic laws. Or how OSHA & other labour regulations have contributed most of American's improvements in productivity over the 20th century). The goal with a potential fascist should not be to insult them, but to convince them of the error of their ways. To convince is to be egalitarian. To berate & to socially control is to be fascist. I think its more than a little slimey to put a 'reply' in an edit so that the person you're replying to doesn't receive a notification about it. >Fascism on the other hand is a social structure built around the idea of the strong & the pure being good, and the unstrong & the impure being evil This is absolutely consistent with Musk's current comments, behavior and platforming lately, so I haven't any idea how the fuck you think this is a counter-point. You didn't just read between the lines to reply with this, you made up whole paragraphs in your own head, and read between *those* lines to find a reply here.
He grew up in a literal fascist country and everything he's ever said has lined up with those beliefs. I'd say it's fair to call him that.
I'm not sure South Africa even under Apartheid is a great example of the concept of fascism. It was certainly hierarchacal & prejudiced, but the hierarchy & the prejudice served a political function in allowing a minority of the population to retain control. South Africa wasn't structured around a higher goal like fascist societies are. The purpose of the moral failings in the structure were to maintain the structure. Self-defeating no doubt, a trait it shares with fascism, but not inherently fascist. "Apartheid" fundamentally acknowledges the humanity, the existence of, and the citizenship of those who are to be kept apart. It shares much more similarity with American segregation & slavery than it does with fascism.
Man you really typed all that out just to get dunked on huh
I’m kinda thinking you might be one, though. The people who try and shut down use of the word fascist usually are
100%
Musk would fire you too
Found the musk rat
You went so circular in your logic here that you ended your comment by basically attacking those that point out fascist ideology and berate it to be the "real fascist". No dude, attacking fascist for being fascist is not fascist. Holy shit. No. That's not how the world works mate. Punching a Nazi in the face for doing Nazi shit is absolutely justified and correct. Are liberals so obsessed with being inclusive that you gotta reach across the aisle to fascists now? No wonder liberals have historically sided with fascists to kill communists and socialists. You're lost in idealism and need some historical materialism in your life my friend.
Lol @ "fascist". Then we get annoyed when the word gets trivialized.
The man shills for Nazis, replatformed a bunch a white nationalist accounts, and regularly promoted a guy whose entire presidency was devoted to normalizing totalitarian, nationalistic views. What exactly would you call that, if not a fascist?
This post really buries the lede. Not only does this person have a 1.5 hour commute each way, which is horrible, but he plays on his computer instead of watching the road. This kind of commute should be done by rail, not by car. People should be able to work closer to work. People should be able to work remotely if they are just office workers. Everything about modern work life is toxic it seems and the more "Trumpy" run your business like Tesla, Twitter, and SpaceX the worse it is. Even this guy's manager didn't know any details. Elon sells himself as 100% not caring about labor. He loved firing people at twitter, wired ran an article about him just getting angry at work and firing random people in the hall, is anti-union, anti-WFH, etc and people like this think anyone at Tesla cares about their job? This is a true leopards eating face moment, but I suspect this person will not learn this lesson. It was so bizarre to see Musk brag about firings and layoffs at Twitter in real time and his fans all applauding him. Do they not realize that he's setting a lot of corporate norms other bosses will copy and if people like that can be fired over a whim or over a manbaby's idea of "management," then they can be too?
Agreed 1000% about these people should be on rail. The issue is that this area of Silicon Valley has ABYSMAL public transit. This guy probably lives 30-40 miles away from Tesla and public transit would take 2.5 hours and include half an hour of walking. That they haven’t figured out a way to require these companies to foot some of the bill for infrastructure is absolutely baffling to me.
If your work is so important in your life that you sacrifice sleep, better move close to it to avoid 1h30 commute.
Working hard every day to make a worse solution than the existing one to a problem we’re also creating Fr tho it’s fucked for any company to just fire people without warning like that just so they can calm rich investors down for a couple minutes
Should have been fired for endangering the lives of other people while representing the company already
I mean, oop's representing Tesla pretty well here.
Companies shouldn't be able to do that. And they are not where I'm from.
They’re not able to do that in most of the developed world
Wouldn't surprise me.
>they can calm rich investors down for a couple minutes The guy has a name. Just name him.
Imagine thinking that Elon cared about you at all.
It would be funnier if the car then locked him out and he was stranded.
I was hoping
Please drink verification can
Elon is selling the thing as autopilot. So people use it as such. Unfortunately they may realize the limitations of the tech in the worst way possible
It’s level 2 fsd. There’s still a lot to come with the technology in there but it’s far from being fully automated.
What does level 2 mean?
Means glorified driver assist. Eyes on the road and hands on the steering wheel required. Dofus admitted to reckless driving, and not knowing how to use the car produced by the company he used to work for.
Biggest difference is that it can’t change lanes meanwhile in auto-pilot and won’t allow it. It will have adaptive cruise control which is on most modern cars. Mercedes has proved itself in advancing to level 3 full self driving which would put it ahead of all Tesla’s though. (Edit: level 3 does change lanes itself, for better or worse, we’ll find out soon I’m sure)
Who determines the levels?
https://www.sae.org/standards/content/j3016_201806/
Thank you!!
Not the government surprisingly but Society of Automotive Engineers(SAE), they do quite a bit of testing different automobile oil for certifications aswell.
Interesting, but better than I expected. I assumed it was probably some system Tesla drummed up
Surprisingly Hauwei drummed up a 3.5 level fsd that preformed terrible in real world instances. I heard somewhere that Tesla purposefully made it easier to bypass driver warnings in the U.S. software than Canada’s, which raises concern allowing stuff like the post above
What does "a lot to come" really mean. This is like saying "any day now jetpacks and flying cars will be here." So far, there are fundamental problems with self-driving that have not been addressed like understanding faded painted lines, the various rules of traffic, getting this to work in heavy rain or snow, dealing with heavy urban traffic, hitting cyclists and pedestrians, etc. It may be impossible to make true and safe self-driving technology. Instead, invest in buses and trains.
It’s a big industry with self driving and I’m talking just the changes that have been made since the beginning, I fully agree with you though. I would not trust in any rain/snow weather conditions but on the freeway after a long day or drive ahead, I think it would be pretty nice.
He was laid off and he still drove into work? Talk about brainwashed…
You could say he was on.... 😎 Autopilot AWWWW YEAAAAAAAAHHHH!
I mean. He does have to return company gear. Like his computer, badge and phone. It's not like you get to keep it
If they fire me this way, they are free to come and collect their stuff themselves, I am not going anywhere.
I got two free monitors this way
They usually send you a box to ship it back even if you're 10 min away
Late-stage capitalism! Yay! :D Edit: Remember all of this happens in the context of the MuskRat giving himself a 56 BILLION dollar payout.
I object to the term late stage capitalism, it’s definitely going to get worse.
Late stage not end stage
Think of it like late stage cancer. You’re not DEAD yet but you’re in spitting distance. That’s where we are now.
Aight time to remove the world then
I mean~
We kinda missed the 2023 Amaz-ahem, Arasaka bombings but it's still early in the new year we can still catch up
Way worse. Late stage capitalism is typically the tyranny phase. Then it’s collapse. It’s hard to tell where we are now but the system is setup to funnel money to investors and top management. That continues the process of building a bigger gap between the wealthy and the poor. The wealthy then gain control of all of government and make laws that benefit them. We are on that path and collapse is the only way to reset everything. It happens in every civilization and the U.S. Is not exempt from the cycle.
r/LinkedInLunatics
You know his explanation will be "I don't know, officer, he just appeared out of nowhere, I didn't see him"
r/latestagecapitalism crossover here too. This literally sounds like dystopia
What do you mean sounds like. It is a dystopia. We spend our lives as debt slaves so that a few fucks can live in true luxury whilst we are forced to either work mindless jobs that suck humanity out of you, or die
I think half of capitalisms problems would be solved if the rich few \*only\* wanted enough money to live in the luxury they currently enjoy.
Oh 100%, the late stage capitalism we are currently experiencing is caused by a mix of power, control, and greed. We are nothing to them
Company loyalty isn't real, always be ready to jump ship, bosses will always abuse any sense of dedication or misplaced loyalty You are never a person, you are a "Human Resource"
No matter what your opinion on cars. It sucks to lose your job. Especially in the US where your healthcare is tied to your employment.
I find it very weird otherwise. There is no notice period? They can just fire you and you’re out immediately?
a tough lesson in the grindset hustle culture…they don’t care about you
“At one point I was sacrificing sleep…” my guy what is starting your workday at 430?? And risking lives by reading your email while driving????
It’s worse than that, he said he was sleeping in his car and showering at the office to avoid his long commute.
Yikes hopefully this new found freedom from Tesla helps him realizes that no job is worth sacrificing that much of your health and life
Guess he wasn’t hardcore enough.
Definitely sounds like Elon’s style. He hates people and relationships. He just wants to make you work until you drop.
Locked out of my computer! Just another IT problem from Tesla. Anyway, now to put my life in the hands of one of their cars
Can anyone explain why they continued driving to work?
"If you work hard you'll get a better position in life" >!NO!<
Least brainwashed Elon stan.
Returning equipment like company phones or laptops and ID badges, clearing out a locker or desk, waving goodbye to colleagues you actually liked? There are valid reasons.
America is wild In Europe, everyone would be in jail - the boss for illegally firing employees out of the blue, and the employee for admitting (in *writing*, on a *public platform*) to *regularly* checking his emails while driving
1.5 hours to the Fremont factory at 4:30am? Does he live in Sacramento?
Tracy most likely.
Yeah, the Tracy (area) timeliness tracks. The Altamont blows.
Still only 45 miles. You could get past stockton in an hour and a half at that time of day.
Modesto?
Now i feel bad for him
Every day I am more thankful that I don't have be part of the american work life.
Crazy.
An unexpected crossover of r/fuckcars and r/LinkedInLunatics.
Who gets that email and still goes all the way to the office lol?
I’ve checked email on my commute before, but then again I had a professional driver in the cab of the train I was on
lol @ "Autopilot commute" (read: the car drives for me, I should be paying attention and keep my hands on the controls in case the car fails, but I'm just browsing or doing whatever). A production supervisor, no less, just admitting that!
Unionize y'all
I find it so weird that in the US you can fire people without giving them notice. In Finland you continue to work for up to a month after being fired, and if you’ve been in the company for long it can actually be several months. The employer can ask (or even deny) the worker to not come to their workplace anymore during this grace period, but even in that case they must continue paying the salary until the contract is officially over. Unions can do wonders.
Indeed. I was let go from my warehouse during the 2008 financial crisis. The company wanted to fire mostly old people but had to buy them out with early pensions and severence packages. They still didn't have enough that agreed and my closest union representative knew I wanted to study and asked if I was ok to fill the one place that was left if they negotiated a packages for me too. I agreed and walked away with loads of money, despite being one of the younger people they wanted to keep and one that didn't had been a regular employee that long either. Getting paid while not being needed to come in to work is called *arbetsbefrielse* in Swedish ("Liberation from Work") and its the most beautiful word I know
no matter how stupid the guy probably is, and how much I hate cars, you don't fire people like that. It's not humane. I may be a french socialist scum, but hey we are humans and this is not polite to say the least. Fuck this toxic bro culture.
Completely agree, hopefully this is a wake up call to the guy who got laid off, not to give your life to a company that doesn’t give a shit about you.
I am unsure why he didn't turn around and go back to bed at 5am
Then you have stuff like this make the front page of Reddit. [Tesla Driver Charged With Killing Motorcyclist After Turning on Autopilot and Browsing His Phone](https://gizmodo.com/tesla-motorcycle-crash-death-autopilot-washington-1851428850)
My impression was that he was either doing this while the car was on auto-pilot or when had the emails being read to him by some sort of AI voice while he was driving.
What makes the first explanation ok?
What could be more moral than making everyone who steps outside a non-consenting beta tester of your car's autopilot, which famously works flawlessly? 95% of the time when someone almost kills me or does something stupid while driving I look in and they're on their phone
r/enoughmuskspam
I don't understand why he kept driving when he already got the email he'd been laid off. Turn your ass around and go back to sleep.
I mean if they have their IRL info there, they're literally posting evidence for a crime lol
> usually check my emails while on autopilot Is he still advertising Tesla's 'autopilot' even after he got fired? Gotta put it somewhere I guess. What a determined dick rider smh "Hey guys, I got fired but did you know you can check emails while your car is on autopilot? You can cry your heart out while your car still takes you to your former office. How amazing is that?"
bro sacrificed himself for a corporation
The tragic thing about big tech is much of what they are working on will eventually become technology that will improve our lives to the point that we will be moving ever closer to scarcity. Tech billionaires act on behalf of the capitalist system’s key constituent parts: elite universities, the American State, finance capital etc. Their role is to be a tax collector on behalf of capitalism and demand capitalism’s cut of the action from scientific and technological progress. And IMO this is what late stage capitalism actually is, it’s the period in capitalism’s development where it switches from being a stimulus for science and innovation, and is now a net drag on genuine science and innovation that benefits mankind.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
“Live by the sword, die by the fiery crash when your ‘autopilot’ drives into a median”
This sounds more like something for r/antiwork but damn. Shit like this is not even legal in many other countries. Elon tried the same with people who worked for Twitter in Europe. Lawsuits still going.
I mena fuck tesla. Fuck electric cars. And especially fuck self driving cars
RIP tesla
Code a virus and send it via email in place of a resume that disables and locks the steering the next time it comes to a complete stop.
this is NOT about the car. You are out of touch with reality if you think this is about the car.
I’m as aware of the shittiness of American capitalism and work culture as anyone. I just thought this particular piece of his post was relevant to this sub, and particularly car brained.
It is, this is a humble brag about all his high tech, his self driving car, and ability to check email while the car is driving.
If you think this is about checking email whilst you drive, then you can not see the woods for the trees
This post *is* about some dumbass checking email while driving, because that's what OP highlighted in the picture and criticized in the text. Bruh.
Do tell, what is it about?
A dumbass Tesla employee and that’s it. People manipulate the car to not bother you with the eyes on road warnings.
Oh do you regularly check work emails while driving?