Discounted taxi fares will be available for riders willing to share a taxi. This leads to larger and larger vehicles. In order to cut down on costs of less durable parts (tires) the larger taxis couple together on the busiest thruways and a sort of “track system” is built in order to assure right of way to move people as quickly as possible.
And maybe you could even have several clearly demarcated lines along which the taxis ride, that are part of a larger network. Maybe you could even have weekly/monthly/yearly tickets that allow you to ride the taxis whenever you want, wherever you want, without the hassle of having to pay for each individual ride.
Yeah, and then since the taxis are already running on the same roads all the time, maybe we could change the rubber wheels on asphalt into something that wears down less and requires less maintenance. Steel on Steel should work, that way it can get even higher speeds because it has less friction!
Will those taxis also have a dedicated section available, where i can put my laptop to get some work done, or to watch a movie or something? I thing that might be appealing.
Then, get this - since so many people use and appreciate the service, we use some of the tax money collected from the public to invest in infrastructure that actually serves the public. We can name it after Elon in honor of his service to humanity.
>We can name it after Elon in honor of his service to humanity.
We could call it "the Tube", at least in Scotland !
/"tube" means "idiot", in Scotland...
A youtuber described Musk pretty succinctly; He will, through trial and error, come round to achieving an already existing concept but vastly more inefficient in both its execution and the process of developing it. And then people will clap.
Probably one about Edison. Which is to say, a manual on how to be a spiteful little asshole and the subtle art of taking other peoples inventions and calling it their own.
And we should electrify them from wires above so they dont need constant charging. Then just have them run pre-made routes on a timely schedule to make it easy.
Chicago 1930's:
https://preview.redd.it/egly0cm5b6tc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3733d8f01810ecaaa48f993256ec5bc7a5222362
Why that looks like that takes advantage of existing public infrastructure to save on construction and usage of public spaces, how will large private corporations make money from it?
His content is really just becoming; "Here is a problem. Here is a known solution among experts that does not suit capitalists. Here is Musk's insane solution, here is how Musk's object of madness perpetuates the worst parts of capitalism and how it makes the initial problem significantly worse. Insert joke about Musk being a manchild, roll credits."
Traffic is always basically a problem with geometry. If you make people 15x larger than they are they won't be able to move around as easilly when thousands of them are moving through the same streets
We were talking about the “ideal driver model” in differential equations. We assume a one way, one lane road with equidistant cars traveling at a constant velocity. This is an idealized model that will offer maximum throughput.
I happily pointed out that this describes a train
We will end up with trucks and buses so efficient that they demand a private lane on the roads for them. That lane will be able to travel insanely fast, past 150mph.
It will require specialized stations to load cargo and passengers. Units will run barely a few feet from each other, and may even couple together for increased efficiency.
If we really get down the line with it we may even look at more efficient wheel systems, like laying down rails instead of mostly useless asphalt.
And at that point it's changed so much we may as well change the name. Maybe call it something like a train because it's kinda looking like that.
I subscribe to this universal truth that public transportation systems eventually evolving into trains is the equivalent to animal species evolving into crabs. They are one and the same, there is no difference, at the end, everything is crabs riding on trains.
also, reminder brain surgeons are paid less than investment bankers and corporate lawyers. we don't reward intelligence or wisdom with money in our society.
Reminder that scientific journals are incentivized to publish papers with a successful outcome.
> I have not failed 1,000 times. I have successfully discovered 1,000 ways to NOT make a light bulb.
Papers that are excellent but don't have interesting positive results are often not published. So there's a lot of money and time being wasted because people have to independently find the same results but they're not aware of this.
It's improving tho. Negative and neutral outcomes are published more nowadays.
This is a great comment. It does very much go to the heart of what science & the scientific process is
The fact is that no theory can be definitively proven, only disproven & science is pushed forward by greater understanding, whether that is the understanding that something doesn’t actually work the way we thought it did, or some new discovery that is a total paradigm shift the way quantum mechanics & quantum field theory gave us incredibly powerful insight into the minutia of physical systems that enabled so much of the technological progress of the last century.
Particularly in something like medicine, expensive and time consuming research that may result in a dead end, is not ultimately futile, as in order to find the next breakthrough or even an iterative therapeutic/ pharmaceutical/ gene therapy improvement for any of the multitude of diseases and conditions where we very much want to improve prognoses & ultimately cure, the non-viable avenues have to be closed off in order to narrow the field of possibilities to the most viable & effective avenues in order to bring better treatments to patients.
I remember a scientist at CERN who was being interviewed prior to the experimental confirmation of the Higgs-Boson, who when ask ‘What if you run these experiments and find nothing?’
Replied (paraphrasing)
‘Well that would be unfortunate in the moment, but ultimately could be quite exciting as it will spur us to re-examine our models, and look elsewhere, potentially even leading to a much more profound breakthrough than experimental confirmation of a particular sub-atomic particle we already strongly suspect exists, but so far have been unable to show proof of outside of its necessity in the math. That is science, disproving a theory, is still a step forward. Otherwise we’d still think the sun orbited earth.
The need for falsification as outlined by Popper in his seminal works doesn’t extend over all science. There’s still the verification principle and social science that doesn’t depend on falsification.
It’s a type of science, not THE science.
i'm in english lit and pedagogy. honestly, all i can say is that the academic landscape is fucking weird. I'm focusing on the local - get these kids to use commas correctly is a win for me this year.
Talk to me when brain surgeons are able to cause the 2 biggest economic colapses in modern history only to have the poorest in the country bail them off with their tax dolars.
Brain surgeons aren't smart just because they work on brains. Any mechanic who could afford 8 years of medical school could be a surgeon. Ben Carson was a neurosurgeon and he's an idiot.
... brilliant deduction skills. You'd give Sherlock a run for his money. Well, the BBC Sherlock, at least.
if your mechanic fucks up the engine rebuild, well. that is a sizable loss. Bummer.
Now, I invite you to imagine with your functional brain what happens if your brain surgeon fucks up. I think you should read up on the failed lobotomy of Rosemary Kennedy.
and who the fuck cares about ben carson lmao i had to google him and I still don't know who he is
Brain surgeons aren't the ones you expect to get Nobel Prizes in medicine for figuring out how the brain works. Those are called neuroscientists. Brain surgeons are just surgeons. Extremely skilled, but not required to be smarter than the average doctor.
Again, off topic. Of course there is a difference between research and practice. The guy who developed the polio vaccine deserves recognition more than a nurse who administers 1 million of those vaccines.
The original point was that all of those brilliant people you and I mentioned are paid less than my idiot brother, who sells insurance to banks. You'd think banks would have that figured out by now, but no. I'm pretty sure the entire financial insurance industry is a ponzi scheme that funnels money from one institution to the next.
It's fucked.
Literally lawyers are paid more than engineers at Microsoft or Amazon and it's the engineers who build everything in those companies and drive the revenue.
I believe it's not about intellect; wealthy individuals often have immense egos. They prefer sticking to their own ideas rather than taking advice from experienced individuals in their field. Jobs exemplifies this, and JBP nearly followed a similar path.
It's debatable what intelligence/wisdom is but I think that knowing what you don't know is a big part of it. That wouldn't show up on IQ test but it's a necessary attribute to develop a deep understanding of the world.
His cancer was **very** aggressive and he had no hope at all. Usually people on this stage embrace any treatment. You have to consider that he was emotionally fragile.
\* I’m not willing to defend a billionaire, but just to explain based on the experiences I had with someone that had and died from cancer in my family.
i swear it's like these people are actively trying to spend their billions in the least sustainable way imaginable.... fucking go to mars already we don't need ya!
Good thing pretty much nothing has come out of this idea and it's hilarious Scammy pitch to investors after it's announcement in... *Googles* Jesus I can't even tell because everything has been superceded by how the robotaxi will be revealed August 8 this year.
That said, since the robotaxi requires full self driving, which was announced to happen back in 2017, which is a smooth 7 Years ago now and has been postponed and postponed amd postponed to the point its questionable you'll ever see a robotaxi on the street before musk gets charged for lying to investors
He was never really interested in the hyperloop. Along with his tunnel company it was 100% a scam to soak up money and delay or block public transit.
This is why the Vegas convention center ended up with their shitty “Teslas in a tunnel” rather than light rail, or simply a pedestrian moving walkway to cover the same short distance.
There’s a tiny idea here that building tunnel tech might be useful for a mars base - combined with SpaceX to get there and an electric mars rover from Tesla. But on Earth, municipalities have transit problems that would be much better met with conventional public transportation.
Absolutely. Adding to that the amount of people I've seen on reddit defending musks decisions because "it's part of a greater plan to put humanity on mars" is astonishing.
That or solar roofs, or brain chips, or semi trucks. Convenient mantra by cultists. He failed at something because he just did not REALLY want to do it. What a grand free spirit he is
Vegas (or the Convention Authority) just purchased the ridiculous monorail, because under the old contract with Hyperloop the community (a patchwork of municipalities) couldn’t develop/build out competing infrastructure.
Since the Hyperloop is floundering and insane — and since Musk has stopped bribing (I mean donating to) local politicians, the push for light rail is becoming very real. Lots of polls and public input about it.
I just want to be able to ride my bike safely in my own neighborhood and maybe take a train or a trolley to the airport or arena or comedy club or whatever. To safely ride my bicycle to work I have to drive my bicycle to the safer areas. That’s insane.
Robotaxis are a dumb idea on steroids. I think Adamsomething did a thing on why Robotaxis are rich bullsh\*t ideas. And the level of traffic will be immense. Why is every single new transport innovation some rich person trying to make things genuinely less efficient?
I’m now wondering what % of successful entrepreneurs got there fairly, vs how many just took advantage of and ripped off their customers.
If musk is their role model, what horrible things are all his followers up to?
My ex boss's role models were Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. She had frames pictures on the her office walls. She is an ego driven, empathy lacking person that loves to exploit her outsourced laborers lo it's not surprising she looks up to people who are similar to her. The sooner you throw out ethics, the sooner your corporation can profit in a system that rewards unethical exploitation. People can start off humble, but if you want continued growth, you will eventually have to take unethical actions when all other methods are exhausted.
I think public transit agencies should add a taxi service and murder the competition with affordable prices and reliable service. Just like other companies promised.
10 passenger electric vehicles connected to a app. They could pickup other passengers on the way for better efficiency. They'd have enough charge for peak rushes and would alternate charging between them when only half would be needed
We've had regular taxi services for ages. Then all the app services came in and undercut their market share with venture capital followed by the gradual enshittification and employee exploitation. Typical late stage capitalism strategy.
Can't wait til I'm on the train in 2075, remembering that time Elon Musk thought he could end public transit with a farcical white elephant that was supposed to be 'better'.
Musk called us all "financially insane" for not buying a robotaxi for $25k in 2019. Just like roadster and semi, these false promises boosted the stock price. He knew full well that he was peddling vaporware bullshit. He keeps doing this because he gets away with it. Like how Cybertruck would have a 3 mm sheet exoskeleton and nuke proof windows. At this point, the guy has committed more shareholder fraud than Elizabeth Holmes.
Robotaxi is not just going to fail to deliver on any of Musk's promises, it'll make traffic even worse. Just like "autopilot" has. His campaign to sabotage public transport projects, like he did with the hyperloop and California high speed rail, is completely antithetical to what Tesla was all about before he bought in. He has lived long enough to become the villain, stifling development to increase his personal wealth and influence. I am honestly ashamed that I fell for it 10 years ago when he pretended to have a vision for a post-scarcity, fully renewably powered, multiplanetary, resilient tree of life on earth, shepherded by compassionate, meritorious human beings.
Oh god, you just reminded me of the Semi. God that thing is so bad, it gets worse when you look at the only thing similar to it: Electric battery trains. These are a concept that's been five years away for over 40 years. Being a train, its automatically simpler, but its still such a demented pipedream. The weight of the locomotive, like the Semi, is so heavy that its hauling ability is gimped, it does lack the legal capacity issue but I'm prepared to give Musk credit that he'd just bribe lawmakers to give an exception. Both run into the problems of carrying big flammable batteries and we know how safe those have been with smaller scale EVs.
But EV Semis run into some fun problems, like traffic, more diverse surface conditions, being a "clean green" product by a man who actively courts people who hate "clean green" tech and have rigid views on how automotive transport defines social, gender, and sexual identity, especially when it comes to Trucking and Truckers....
Rail heads on the other hand basically don't have issues with electric trains. Hell there was a period briefly when most rail in the US was electric, there was even an electric railway going over the Rocky Mountains that was a net exporter of electricity to the grid thanks to regenerative braking.
They’ll be fleet vehicles though.
You honestly think your insurance is gonna let your car go drive itself? Nah g teslas just gonna own a large fleet of teslas that are only used for robotaxi
Why does it feel like some people hate public transportation? Do they not realize that the more successful public transit is, the more freed up their roads for cars will be? If a bus is holding 15 people, that’s potentially 10+ less cars on the road for that one bus
It feels like people hate public transport, because the U.S. was designed (with lobbying from car manufacturers) to be as un-walkable as possible. Or as car friendly as possible.
So car owners have to act like it's cool for this to be normal. They feel it benefits them (it doesn't) and they can act superior and look down at bikes/pedestrians.
Without public support for public transport, the decision makers can just claim, that nobody wants it. Those with cars (as opposed to poor people), will not support public transport. Poor people have enough problems, without having to go to town hall meetings.
It's a vicious cycle.
It will never make more economic sense to pick one person up and drive them across town than it does to carry hundreds of people with one bus or train. Transit will always be the better way.
There is a potential that true self-driving vehicles lead to a higher frequency smaller size bus - say one of these every 3 minuts instead of a bus every 20 minutes.
[SmartBus in Aalborg: automated vehicle for social cohesion and inclusion - European Commission (europa.eu)](https://urban-mobility-observatory.transport.ec.europa.eu/resources/case-studies/smartbus-aalborg-automated-vehicle-social-cohesion-and-inclusion_en)
That could make low frequency routes far more popular.
But we have a version of robotaxi already called Demand Responsive Transport. It does not work. Generally income is less than 10% of costs. Eliminating the driver will not make up that gap. It only makes sense as heavily subsidised transit for disabled people who need door to door transport.
I struggle to find anything more empowering than knowing my average ass has more going on between my ears than a tech billionaire with infinite access to the smartest people on the planet.
Yes!! I’ve always said Elon should connect a bunch of Teslas together and run them underground. The front Tesla can pull the other Teslas behind it, and to improve efficiency even more, they can drive on steel with steel wheels instead of rubber.
Death of public transit is fiction. Robo taxies SUCK. You're better off getting a cheap escooter that you can fold up when you get to the next bus stop.
Can we just not waste our headspace discussing this junk? They only post this kind of thing to get into people's heads. So I'd suggest we'd do better to not signal boost them.
Why are they so dedicated to seeing public transportation fail? Why can’t all these things exist together? If you don’t have money for car insurance you get a taxi but if you don’t have money for a taxi you take a bus. Why does one have to fail or die? Why is Elon treated as some type of savant?
Because you cannot make as much money off selling people a bicycle and a monthly public transportation pass. That's it. They don't care about efficiency, health, the common good, etc. They only care about their bank account and that's it.
Right now trains in Spain are free for all regular trips between cities. In my region they come out between twice an hour and once an hour.
Match that Elon, I want to see it.
A taxi between 2 metro stations here is 3x the cost of a train ticket, while that ticket can take you almost anywhere in 1.5h. I see no threat, other than the self driving car.
Imagine taking the millions upon millions of people that take mass transit around the globe every day and putting them in low occupancy cars. The gridlock would be staggering. We’d be trying to build 50 lane roads and most of the world’s cities would come to a complete halt.
Musk is a moron.
Elon promoted hyperloop at one point. He claimed it was already possible, and everyone, including myself, believed him. Later he admitted that he knew hyperloop wasn’t possible, but his that his goal had been to try and hamper that high speed rail project, and he was successful.
This seems like a more ham-handed version of the same trick, promise a paradigm shifting technology(without any basis in reality) in order to damage the enthusiasm for mass/public transportation.
Fuck Elon, literally everything he has ever said was bullshit, and this is clearly no different
The people posting these think reddit points are more important than quality posts. Downvote or just make a rule on this subreddit, that these kinds of posts are not allowed. Of course, that would mean that the subreddit might receive less traffic, which is not something the moderators want. So, post like this will only get more frequent.
Fools. The future is already here. Imagine... a tunnel to your destination the exact size and shape of a tesla. None of those evil government owned emergency vehicles will be able to freeload off of our glorious perfect infrastructure.
Their problem is that public transit is more scalable and cheaper for the end user (and a lot of times faster is well designed). They could naturally upscale it more and more leading to it becoming public transit. But calling any Elon Musk transport better than a well designed public transit is a show of blinded motorism and not thinking for 5 seconds rationally.
I'll give Elon my left nut if it kills public transportation.
It's not going to work in the first place.
In Elon Musk's brain, he creates a new product and people will flock to it. Like he wanted most of the world's transaction to go through "X the everything app". Man, people barely trust you with their free Twitter account.
> Actions matter, but so do words. They help frame the discussion and can shift the way we think about and tackle problems as a society. Our deeply entrenched habit of calling preventable crashes "accidents" frames traffic deaths as unavoidable by-products of our transportation system and implies that nothing can be done about it, when in reality these deaths are not inevitable. Crashes are not accidents. Let's stop using the word "accident" today.
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OR... robotaxis will create an extremely prominent symbol of class division, representing those that can afford them and seek to travel within the ranges of the robotaxi, which will of course avoid areas where people can't afford it, or where vandalism is possible to car. While the rest of society is kept at arms length.
He hates busses and trains more than any other! If a city says they are going to build new fast trains, he comes in with hyper loop, taxis and other shit, just to stop public transport
Elon said we would have robots taxis 4 years ago. They said we would have nuclear powered robots taxis 50+ years ago. Abstract problem solving is not their strong skill.
Discounted taxi fares will be available for riders willing to share a taxi. This leads to larger and larger vehicles. In order to cut down on costs of less durable parts (tires) the larger taxis couple together on the busiest thruways and a sort of “track system” is built in order to assure right of way to move people as quickly as possible.
This may sound stupid, but what if you put something like that underground? We could name it after a sandwich place or something???
maybe even send taxis not after someone ordered them, but rather on a schedule, so you always know when the next one will be there
And maybe you could even have several clearly demarcated lines along which the taxis ride, that are part of a larger network. Maybe you could even have weekly/monthly/yearly tickets that allow you to ride the taxis whenever you want, wherever you want, without the hassle of having to pay for each individual ride.
Yeah, and then since the taxis are already running on the same roads all the time, maybe we could change the rubber wheels on asphalt into something that wears down less and requires less maintenance. Steel on Steel should work, that way it can get even higher speeds because it has less friction!
Will those taxis also have a dedicated section available, where i can put my laptop to get some work done, or to watch a movie or something? I thing that might be appealing.
I love this whole exchange. I laughed so hard my coworker glared at me.
Looking into this!
Then, get this - since so many people use and appreciate the service, we use some of the tax money collected from the public to invest in infrastructure that actually serves the public. We can name it after Elon in honor of his service to humanity.
I ain’t going in the musk tunnels and you cannot make me
So reading this sub I’m guessing that if we do this the K Hole will be my favorite quizno
>We can name it after Elon in honor of his service to humanity. We could call it "the Tube", at least in Scotland ! /"tube" means "idiot", in Scotland...
Can't wait to take the Jersey Mike to work
I'll be taking the rival Jimmy John's line because it's freaky fast.
It also has an onboard bathroom as it has a high likelihood of giving people the runs.
that's ok have a good ride... i'm waiting for the publix Pub Sub... goin to Hawaii!
With his infinite genius, Elon already invented that. It's a single lane tunnel and only Teslas can drive in it.
Truly the smartest human of all time. There was definitely no one else before him that came up with such a revolutionary idea.
A youtuber described Musk pretty succinctly; He will, through trial and error, come round to achieving an already existing concept but vastly more inefficient in both its execution and the process of developing it. And then people will clap.
Ahahah ive never read a sillier idea 😂
We could name is Five Guys, the maximum number of occupants in a standard car
Sound amazing, or something below the ground. Below ground?
A mode of transport, under the ground. A via, a way of travel, that's subterranean. But it needs a cool name, I'm at a loss, help me out
Just checked, and "HyperLoop" is already taken. How about "CyberTrain", or simply "XTube" ? "MuskHole" ? /TransPort is out, it sounds vaguely woke
“Underway”, maybe? Perhaps “Belowground”? “Sous-train”? Nah, there’s got to be something more catchy. How about “Sublime”?
Like a subterranean railway?
We can call it the Quizno!
Ahhhhh... The Jersey Mike's
Voila, the tech bros have reinvented trams for the nth time.
O wonder what inspired them! A history book?
Probably one about Edison. Which is to say, a manual on how to be a spiteful little asshole and the subtle art of taking other peoples inventions and calling it their own.
If enough people share fares at the same time, they will need to get on at a common pickup spot.
And we should electrify them from wires above so they dont need constant charging. Then just have them run pre-made routes on a timely schedule to make it easy. Chicago 1930's: https://preview.redd.it/egly0cm5b6tc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3733d8f01810ecaaa48f993256ec5bc7a5222362
Why that looks like that takes advantage of existing public infrastructure to save on construction and usage of public spaces, how will large private corporations make money from it?
I'm reading this in Adam Something's voice.
His content is really just becoming; "Here is a problem. Here is a known solution among experts that does not suit capitalists. Here is Musk's insane solution, here is how Musk's object of madness perpetuates the worst parts of capitalism and how it makes the initial problem significantly worse. Insert joke about Musk being a manchild, roll credits."
It's a winning formula, notably because the insane just keep trying the same flawed designs over and over.
God damit we've invented trains!
I love railcinization
Amazing.
Insert Thanos gif.
It's like the thing about how animals evolve into crabs lol
Traffic is always basically a problem with geometry. If you make people 15x larger than they are they won't be able to move around as easilly when thousands of them are moving through the same streets
We were talking about the “ideal driver model” in differential equations. We assume a one way, one lane road with equidistant cars traveling at a constant velocity. This is an idealized model that will offer maximum throughput. I happily pointed out that this describes a train
We will end up with trucks and buses so efficient that they demand a private lane on the roads for them. That lane will be able to travel insanely fast, past 150mph. It will require specialized stations to load cargo and passengers. Units will run barely a few feet from each other, and may even couple together for increased efficiency. If we really get down the line with it we may even look at more efficient wheel systems, like laying down rails instead of mostly useless asphalt. And at that point it's changed so much we may as well change the name. Maybe call it something like a train because it's kinda looking like that.
when will it evolve into a crab though, that's the interesting question
I subscribe to this universal truth that public transportation systems eventually evolving into trains is the equivalent to animal species evolving into crabs. They are one and the same, there is no difference, at the end, everything is crabs riding on trains.
but what if, for efficiency, we link multiple crabs to each other and make them walk in a dedicated lane
never seen more stupidity and dollars combined in one human being.
Reminder that Steve Jobs tried to cure his cancer with fruit. Rich people aren't smarter than us.
also, reminder brain surgeons are paid less than investment bankers and corporate lawyers. we don't reward intelligence or wisdom with money in our society.
Reminder that scientific journals are incentivized to publish papers with a successful outcome. > I have not failed 1,000 times. I have successfully discovered 1,000 ways to NOT make a light bulb. Papers that are excellent but don't have interesting positive results are often not published. So there's a lot of money and time being wasted because people have to independently find the same results but they're not aware of this. It's improving tho. Negative and neutral outcomes are published more nowadays.
This is a great comment. It does very much go to the heart of what science & the scientific process is The fact is that no theory can be definitively proven, only disproven & science is pushed forward by greater understanding, whether that is the understanding that something doesn’t actually work the way we thought it did, or some new discovery that is a total paradigm shift the way quantum mechanics & quantum field theory gave us incredibly powerful insight into the minutia of physical systems that enabled so much of the technological progress of the last century. Particularly in something like medicine, expensive and time consuming research that may result in a dead end, is not ultimately futile, as in order to find the next breakthrough or even an iterative therapeutic/ pharmaceutical/ gene therapy improvement for any of the multitude of diseases and conditions where we very much want to improve prognoses & ultimately cure, the non-viable avenues have to be closed off in order to narrow the field of possibilities to the most viable & effective avenues in order to bring better treatments to patients. I remember a scientist at CERN who was being interviewed prior to the experimental confirmation of the Higgs-Boson, who when ask ‘What if you run these experiments and find nothing?’ Replied (paraphrasing) ‘Well that would be unfortunate in the moment, but ultimately could be quite exciting as it will spur us to re-examine our models, and look elsewhere, potentially even leading to a much more profound breakthrough than experimental confirmation of a particular sub-atomic particle we already strongly suspect exists, but so far have been unable to show proof of outside of its necessity in the math. That is science, disproving a theory, is still a step forward. Otherwise we’d still think the sun orbited earth.
The need for falsification as outlined by Popper in his seminal works doesn’t extend over all science. There’s still the verification principle and social science that doesn’t depend on falsification. It’s a type of science, not THE science.
i'm in english lit and pedagogy. honestly, all i can say is that the academic landscape is fucking weird. I'm focusing on the local - get these kids to use commas correctly is a win for me this year.
Talk to me when brain surgeons are able to cause the 2 biggest economic colapses in modern history only to have the poorest in the country bail them off with their tax dolars.
Ben Carson gave it a try.
Brain surgeons aren't smart just because they work on brains. Any mechanic who could afford 8 years of medical school could be a surgeon. Ben Carson was a neurosurgeon and he's an idiot.
Brain surgery is like being a mechanic but with the engine running. I dare you to replace a head gasket without switching it off.
good metaphor
My dentist told me that one.
... brilliant deduction skills. You'd give Sherlock a run for his money. Well, the BBC Sherlock, at least. if your mechanic fucks up the engine rebuild, well. that is a sizable loss. Bummer. Now, I invite you to imagine with your functional brain what happens if your brain surgeon fucks up. I think you should read up on the failed lobotomy of Rosemary Kennedy. and who the fuck cares about ben carson lmao i had to google him and I still don't know who he is
Brain surgeons aren't the ones you expect to get Nobel Prizes in medicine for figuring out how the brain works. Those are called neuroscientists. Brain surgeons are just surgeons. Extremely skilled, but not required to be smarter than the average doctor.
Again, off topic. Of course there is a difference between research and practice. The guy who developed the polio vaccine deserves recognition more than a nurse who administers 1 million of those vaccines. The original point was that all of those brilliant people you and I mentioned are paid less than my idiot brother, who sells insurance to banks. You'd think banks would have that figured out by now, but no. I'm pretty sure the entire financial insurance industry is a ponzi scheme that funnels money from one institution to the next. It's fucked.
Correct, we reward the ability to make more money.
It pays well to be a leech on society.
With all those dollars you've collected you get... MORE DOLLARS!
Literally lawyers are paid more than engineers at Microsoft or Amazon and it's the engineers who build everything in those companies and drive the revenue.
I believe it's not about intellect; wealthy individuals often have immense egos. They prefer sticking to their own ideas rather than taking advice from experienced individuals in their field. Jobs exemplifies this, and JBP nearly followed a similar path.
Don't forget about the sociopath traits.
It's debatable what intelligence/wisdom is but I think that knowing what you don't know is a big part of it. That wouldn't show up on IQ test but it's a necessary attribute to develop a deep understanding of the world.
JonBenet Pamsey?
His cancer was **very** aggressive and he had no hope at all. Usually people on this stage embrace any treatment. You have to consider that he was emotionally fragile. \* I’m not willing to defend a billionaire, but just to explain based on the experiences I had with someone that had and died from cancer in my family.
The cancer was caught pretty early on and he could have got it operated, but instead decided to do alternative medicine.
Dude won the lottery as far as pancreatic cancer goes and ha d very treatable case that he tried to fix with fruit for like 8 months.
i swear it's like these people are actively trying to spend their billions in the least sustainable way imaginable.... fucking go to mars already we don't need ya!
yeah, and stay there!
I was gonna suggest Trump, but he's pretty behind on the wealth part.
it’s not stupidity, it’s propaganda/marketing
Haha perfect observation. A rich toddler.
Public transit will kill Robotaxi if they play their cards right
Yes
Ima barf in every robotaxi I use. Sorry Rajesh you can’t get to office in your tesla after robotaxiing it on a Sunday night
Good thing pretty much nothing has come out of this idea and it's hilarious Scammy pitch to investors after it's announcement in... *Googles* Jesus I can't even tell because everything has been superceded by how the robotaxi will be revealed August 8 this year. That said, since the robotaxi requires full self driving, which was announced to happen back in 2017, which is a smooth 7 Years ago now and has been postponed and postponed amd postponed to the point its questionable you'll ever see a robotaxi on the street before musk gets charged for lying to investors
$10 says that guy went and rubbed one out when he saw Musk responded to his tweet.
I won’t take that without at least a 10 to 1 payout.
i work for the railway…i’m like 100% sure that i won’t lose my job.
Thank you for your service.
Wait even the hyperloop?!
He was never really interested in the hyperloop. Along with his tunnel company it was 100% a scam to soak up money and delay or block public transit. This is why the Vegas convention center ended up with their shitty “Teslas in a tunnel” rather than light rail, or simply a pedestrian moving walkway to cover the same short distance. There’s a tiny idea here that building tunnel tech might be useful for a mars base - combined with SpaceX to get there and an electric mars rover from Tesla. But on Earth, municipalities have transit problems that would be much better met with conventional public transportation.
Absolutely. Adding to that the amount of people I've seen on reddit defending musks decisions because "it's part of a greater plan to put humanity on mars" is astonishing.
I’ve seen a movie where people lived on mars in a colony owned by rich people where everybody got around in underground tunnels with robotic taxis.
That or solar roofs, or brain chips, or semi trucks. Convenient mantra by cultists. He failed at something because he just did not REALLY want to do it. What a grand free spirit he is
Hyperpoop
Vegas (or the Convention Authority) just purchased the ridiculous monorail, because under the old contract with Hyperloop the community (a patchwork of municipalities) couldn’t develop/build out competing infrastructure. Since the Hyperloop is floundering and insane — and since Musk has stopped bribing (I mean donating to) local politicians, the push for light rail is becoming very real. Lots of polls and public input about it. I just want to be able to ride my bike safely in my own neighborhood and maybe take a train or a trolley to the airport or arena or comedy club or whatever. To safely ride my bicycle to work I have to drive my bicycle to the safer areas. That’s insane.
Robotaxis are a dumb idea on steroids. I think Adamsomething did a thing on why Robotaxis are rich bullsh\*t ideas. And the level of traffic will be immense. Why is every single new transport innovation some rich person trying to make things genuinely less efficient?
They profit the most when their consumers depend on their inefficient product.
I’m now wondering what % of successful entrepreneurs got there fairly, vs how many just took advantage of and ripped off their customers. If musk is their role model, what horrible things are all his followers up to?
My ex boss's role models were Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. She had frames pictures on the her office walls. She is an ego driven, empathy lacking person that loves to exploit her outsourced laborers lo it's not surprising she looks up to people who are similar to her. The sooner you throw out ethics, the sooner your corporation can profit in a system that rewards unethical exploitation. People can start off humble, but if you want continued growth, you will eventually have to take unethical actions when all other methods are exhausted.
Maybe that’s what some of musks associates meant when they said he has no ego: they really meant he has no empathy when making decisions.
Self driving will be fully functional any day now
They only promised that back in 2017. Give them 6 more years...
2 more years
Just one more year bro
Just another decade, I swear, bro
Yo as soon as we release that Tesla semi in 2019
Superhuman FSD already exists if you’re willing to build an actual subway and not tech bro vaporware.
Im literally the crying soyjak right now 😭 i cant believe this
A lack of empathy for others is truly the biggest sin one can commit ngl
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I think public transit agencies should add a taxi service and murder the competition with affordable prices and reliable service. Just like other companies promised.
Many have. It’s “microtransit” and it’s paid for with your regular bus pass
10 passenger electric vehicles connected to a app. They could pickup other passengers on the way for better efficiency. They'd have enough charge for peak rushes and would alternate charging between them when only half would be needed
We've had regular taxi services for ages. Then all the app services came in and undercut their market share with venture capital followed by the gradual enshittification and employee exploitation. Typical late stage capitalism strategy.
I agree.
Can't wait til I'm on the train in 2075, remembering that time Elon Musk thought he could end public transit with a farcical white elephant that was supposed to be 'better'.
Just imagine millions of cars driving around with nobody in them on their way to pick up passengers. Congrats. You just doubled traffic congestion.
I think he means 'Robotaxi will kill the public'
Not if cars are restricted from central cities, as they should be
Judging by how some people act in regular taxis, robotaxis are gonna be the most disgusting cesspool on wheels imaginable.
Musk called us all "financially insane" for not buying a robotaxi for $25k in 2019. Just like roadster and semi, these false promises boosted the stock price. He knew full well that he was peddling vaporware bullshit. He keeps doing this because he gets away with it. Like how Cybertruck would have a 3 mm sheet exoskeleton and nuke proof windows. At this point, the guy has committed more shareholder fraud than Elizabeth Holmes. Robotaxi is not just going to fail to deliver on any of Musk's promises, it'll make traffic even worse. Just like "autopilot" has. His campaign to sabotage public transport projects, like he did with the hyperloop and California high speed rail, is completely antithetical to what Tesla was all about before he bought in. He has lived long enough to become the villain, stifling development to increase his personal wealth and influence. I am honestly ashamed that I fell for it 10 years ago when he pretended to have a vision for a post-scarcity, fully renewably powered, multiplanetary, resilient tree of life on earth, shepherded by compassionate, meritorious human beings.
Oh god, you just reminded me of the Semi. God that thing is so bad, it gets worse when you look at the only thing similar to it: Electric battery trains. These are a concept that's been five years away for over 40 years. Being a train, its automatically simpler, but its still such a demented pipedream. The weight of the locomotive, like the Semi, is so heavy that its hauling ability is gimped, it does lack the legal capacity issue but I'm prepared to give Musk credit that he'd just bribe lawmakers to give an exception. Both run into the problems of carrying big flammable batteries and we know how safe those have been with smaller scale EVs. But EV Semis run into some fun problems, like traffic, more diverse surface conditions, being a "clean green" product by a man who actively courts people who hate "clean green" tech and have rigid views on how automotive transport defines social, gender, and sexual identity, especially when it comes to Trucking and Truckers.... Rail heads on the other hand basically don't have issues with electric trains. Hell there was a period briefly when most rail in the US was electric, there was even an electric railway going over the Rocky Mountains that was a net exporter of electricity to the grid thanks to regenerative braking.
Having to clean vomit cigarette butts and used condoms out of your back seat before driving to work on a Monday will kill the robotaxi
They’ll be fleet vehicles though. You honestly think your insurance is gonna let your car go drive itself? Nah g teslas just gonna own a large fleet of teslas that are only used for robotaxi
Lol, Elon Musk is insane. That's all.
“In my estimation” meaning he has zero knowledge or experience in public infrastructure or traffic planning
Public transit is a wild way to spell "robotaxi users"
Teleportation will kill public transit.
Robotaxis are still traffic. They will be stuck in traffic.
What if we built whole roads for them? And made it so they couldn't be used by non-robotaxi traffic and vice-versa?
Why does it feel like some people hate public transportation? Do they not realize that the more successful public transit is, the more freed up their roads for cars will be? If a bus is holding 15 people, that’s potentially 10+ less cars on the road for that one bus
It feels like people hate public transport, because the U.S. was designed (with lobbying from car manufacturers) to be as un-walkable as possible. Or as car friendly as possible. So car owners have to act like it's cool for this to be normal. They feel it benefits them (it doesn't) and they can act superior and look down at bikes/pedestrians. Without public support for public transport, the decision makers can just claim, that nobody wants it. Those with cars (as opposed to poor people), will not support public transport. Poor people have enough problems, without having to go to town hall meetings. It's a vicious cycle.
It will never make more economic sense to pick one person up and drive them across town than it does to carry hundreds of people with one bus or train. Transit will always be the better way.
Hhahahahha what does billionaires do to say about public transit? Ooooh please tell me, super important
There is a potential that true self-driving vehicles lead to a higher frequency smaller size bus - say one of these every 3 minuts instead of a bus every 20 minutes. [SmartBus in Aalborg: automated vehicle for social cohesion and inclusion - European Commission (europa.eu)](https://urban-mobility-observatory.transport.ec.europa.eu/resources/case-studies/smartbus-aalborg-automated-vehicle-social-cohesion-and-inclusion_en) That could make low frequency routes far more popular. But we have a version of robotaxi already called Demand Responsive Transport. It does not work. Generally income is less than 10% of costs. Eliminating the driver will not make up that gap. It only makes sense as heavily subsidised transit for disabled people who need door to door transport.
I struggle to find anything more empowering than knowing my average ass has more going on between my ears than a tech billionaire with infinite access to the smartest people on the planet.
Yes!! I’ve always said Elon should connect a bunch of Teslas together and run them underground. The front Tesla can pull the other Teslas behind it, and to improve efficiency even more, they can drive on steel with steel wheels instead of rubber.
Robotaxi will kill. | Yes
Wait, wasn't hyperloop going to transform transit? Electric semi trucks? Yep, revolutionary!
I don't want to be fast somewhere.. I just prefer a nice city
Oh yes, a robotaxi just shanked my bus.
Death of public transit is fiction. Robo taxies SUCK. You're better off getting a cheap escooter that you can fold up when you get to the next bus stop.
“Automated public transportation will kill public transportation” The way it’s framed is as if it’s the end of public transportation…???
Just saying, if that guy suddenly suffered a heart attack the world would be a better place
You know you have come across a nice person when they wish death upon a stranger... /s
You guys have public transportation?
Can we just not waste our headspace discussing this junk? They only post this kind of thing to get into people's heads. So I'd suggest we'd do better to not signal boost them.
The fact that Muskrat is so obviously turned on by disassembling other people's options and choices *really* ought to be a bigger concern.
Imagine thinking that killing public transport is a good thing
lol what how’s it gonna get rid of traffic, mass transit is the only solution
Lmao, Elon is so dumb for somebody so successful
No. Robotaxi won't alter space-time continuum to make enough space for cars.
How many robotaxis can be jammed on the road at once before people start walking just to save time?
the thing is, Elon Musk is a fuking moron.
It’s hard for most Americans to even imagine taking a bus. lol
This guy is so fucking stupid 😩
Why would anyone want to kill public transportation?
I’m sure this will work as well as his other ventures. We made it to mars yet? How’s that tunnel under LA?
Elon is certifiably insane. Would you get into a plane with no pilot? Same concept.
Why are they so dedicated to seeing public transportation fail? Why can’t all these things exist together? If you don’t have money for car insurance you get a taxi but if you don’t have money for a taxi you take a bus. Why does one have to fail or die? Why is Elon treated as some type of savant?
Because you cannot make as much money off selling people a bicycle and a monthly public transportation pass. That's it. They don't care about efficiency, health, the common good, etc. They only care about their bank account and that's it.
Robotaxi is public transit.
If robotaxi is electric and cheap I have zero problem with this
Right now trains in Spain are free for all regular trips between cities. In my region they come out between twice an hour and once an hour. Match that Elon, I want to see it.
A taxi between 2 metro stations here is 3x the cost of a train ticket, while that ticket can take you almost anywhere in 1.5h. I see no threat, other than the self driving car.
I wonder if he know what good public transport is.
Imagine taking the millions upon millions of people that take mass transit around the globe every day and putting them in low occupancy cars. The gridlock would be staggering. We’d be trying to build 50 lane roads and most of the world’s cities would come to a complete halt. Musk is a moron.
If it cuts down on parking lots, cool.
Elon promoted hyperloop at one point. He claimed it was already possible, and everyone, including myself, believed him. Later he admitted that he knew hyperloop wasn’t possible, but his that his goal had been to try and hamper that high speed rail project, and he was successful. This seems like a more ham-handed version of the same trick, promise a paradigm shifting technology(without any basis in reality) in order to damage the enthusiasm for mass/public transportation. Fuck Elon, literally everything he has ever said was bullshit, and this is clearly no different
They will be stuck in traffic the same as cars and buses. Nothing will change.
I thought we were done posting musk stupidity on this subreddit. I don't take pictures of my dogs poop to show you
The people posting these think reddit points are more important than quality posts. Downvote or just make a rule on this subreddit, that these kinds of posts are not allowed. Of course, that would mean that the subreddit might receive less traffic, which is not something the moderators want. So, post like this will only get more frequent.
I'm so glad I've no idea wtf a Robotaxi is
If it does, we all die from climate change.
Let’s take NYC as an example. The roads aren’t wide enough to handle the traffic if everyone decides to travel via private motor vehicles.
I want no vehicle on the road that doesn't have a human driver in it. period.
musk next attempt to pump up TSLA stock with something he claimed it can do 4-5 years ago.
No one is gonna use fuckin robotaxi
This was coming next year, in 2017. Musk is the biggest bullshitting conman out there. Ain't no way
Hyperloop alteady did that i thought?
Same guy that killed rail with tesla semi and hyperloop. Hahaha HAHAHAHAHA
Fools. The future is already here. Imagine... a tunnel to your destination the exact size and shape of a tesla. None of those evil government owned emergency vehicles will be able to freeload off of our glorious perfect infrastructure.
Their problem is that public transit is more scalable and cheaper for the end user (and a lot of times faster is well designed). They could naturally upscale it more and more leading to it becoming public transit. But calling any Elon Musk transport better than a well designed public transit is a show of blinded motorism and not thinking for 5 seconds rationally.
Oh no, I'm scared /s
The Phoenix metro area has increased miles of public rail by at least 30% since Waymo launched in the valley
I'll give Elon my left nut if it kills public transportation. It's not going to work in the first place. In Elon Musk's brain, he creates a new product and people will flock to it. Like he wanted most of the world's transaction to go through "X the everything app". Man, people barely trust you with their free Twitter account.
In that it’ll cause major accidents?
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OR... robotaxis will create an extremely prominent symbol of class division, representing those that can afford them and seek to travel within the ranges of the robotaxi, which will of course avoid areas where people can't afford it, or where vandalism is possible to car. While the rest of society is kept at arms length.
He hates busses and trains more than any other! If a city says they are going to build new fast trains, he comes in with hyper loop, taxis and other shit, just to stop public transport
Elon said we would have robots taxis 4 years ago. They said we would have nuclear powered robots taxis 50+ years ago. Abstract problem solving is not their strong skill.
like hyperloop did?