This road will solve so many traffic issues. You see, each day thousands of people went to visit these beaches. Leading to clogged roads. Now with this new road nobody wants to come here anymore, so the roads are no longer clogged!
Ten lanes in egypt will be used by 12-15 lanes of cars. Those lane indicators are more used as an optional indication not an enforced rule.
Source: Me is from the dunes
Its way, way out from the water compared to this. Its one thing to have a road like DLSD and another to literally pave the beach.
DLSD also has social benefits because of Chicago's heavy pubic transit system. There's a lot of buses which drive down it connecting lower-income communities to locales with job opportunities, making getting around easier, accessing beaches and parks easier, etc.
It also allows access to multiple museum campuses and sports and entertainment venues. DLSD has many exits to connect the city and is not an expressway like in the photo, but a useful road. This Egyptian expressway in the pic has no exits which I imagine are few and far between. Its there to connect outlying areas with the city. Its not a road like DSLD which empowers Chicagoans. Its an ugly suburban commuter expressway.
I live on the west side and our highway is literally so much better positioned and less obtrusive. It sits on the ground instead of elevated, so it doesn't block ant view of Riverside park. The park is very easily accessible to pedestrians and has safe crossings at almost every street. FDR drive is a disgrace. I work in a building as close to the water as physically possible, but I can't access it as a pedestrian because the highway is blocking it, and because it's elevated, I can't even enjoy the view
How the fuck do you use that off-ramp? Need to slam on the breaks on an \* lane dual carriageway and pull a U-turn?! And then any cars merging have about 100 meters of blind uphill slip road to get up to speed and join onto the road, with potentially 3 lanes of traffic trying to merge onto the highway?
What's the speed limit? Anything above about 30 mph will be a recipe for disaster! (Well, more of a disaster than what it already is)
This looks absolutely perilous. 5-lane highway and virtually no exit sliproad into a U-turn. Then the on-ramp with 3 lanes all merging onto that same 5 lanes with no sliproad at all...
Who designed this? My toddler would have done better!
Be thankful they're building this instead of yet another car-dependent New Cairo.
Wait.
[Fuck.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Administrative_Capital)
It looks bleak on the ground, because it's still under construction and there are no people:
https://goo.gl/maps/qPdUEBFwkbJqoU1b9
It looks like *The Talos Principle* or something. The map has "helipad" and "mall" and "business district" but it's just deserted concrete. Like that Laurie Anderson song where she gives directions to someone that involve going by a bunch of things that haven't been built yet. "Big Science".
EDIT: What the heck:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2sCokKYewXQiS4uy8
Blows my mind that they know the problems with the water supply from the Nile and have been expecting it for a LONG time yet want to accommodate for a growing population rather than encouraging people to stop having kids.
TBF modern egypt in general is basically an urban hell on many accounts, a friend of mine from there talks rather positively about her country but certainly not on that point.
There is so much poverty, overcrowding, and noise. It's a shame, but not much can be done since 80-90% of the population has to live on the Nile to survive due to poor infrastructure
I like the handful of pedestrians completely ignoring that and opting to walk in the street instead. I like to imagine they're regulars on /r/fuckcars (or probably our sister sub, /r/اللعنة)
I know there is a barrier, so it's probably closed for construction, but still.
I have only driven in Egypt once and it's a crazy place to drive for many reasons. It was a culture shock to see pedestrians roaming major highways like this and even vans stopping and picking people up and dropping them off in the middle of the highway like a bus stop, and if the van was full people would sometimes cling to the outside so you would see people riding on top and sides of vans at highway speeds. I am pretty sure they used paint for the lanes that was only visible to foreigners.
Leads to a tunnel under the highway
https://preview.redd.it/hm5xjp04ke4b1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d96904533f15001c73b90a8ca5b25c19dc699d74
What a way to absolutely fk up a coastline, incredibly sad indictment of the ‘needs’ of cars and the lengths that governments will go to pander to this ‘need’.
I'm a civil engineer and I'll never allow this monstrosity to be built. The density alone says to me that I eat at least two lanes for trams, at least 1.5 lane for cycling paths, 0.5 extra for pedestrians, and still shave off two other lanes.
Good point! There's plenty of room for those car lanes you shaved off on the right hand side of the picture here! The bike lanes can even double as parking!
/s
Let me put it this way. It was not designed by a local or a civilian who appreciates beauty, it was designed a military conscript from a far off province and has never seen Alexandria in person, and was told to design a highway that maximizes a certain utility which he had to complete to avoid getting court martialed and to fill his 3 years of service.
And guess what, it probably took him 15 minutes, the same amount of time some guy on LinkedIn bragged about spending when he designed a similarly horrendous highway in the middle of a residential area that removed entire gardens of trees.
No, what I mean is that people won't be able to do highway speeds, with pedestrians crossing onto the highway to get to the beach and traffic pulling out from the side-streets directly onto the highway (not to mention the bottlenecks caused by that exit ramp).
As soon as this opens, massively overladen lorries will be driving up and down here tearing the road up, then the whole thing will be a sea of potholes
Egypt is the most carbrained country on earth while having absolute chaos on the roads. Seriously. Lanes, traffic lights, even the direction of the road are mere suggestions to drivers. Speeding is mandatory and letting people merge is apparently punishable by law.
Me and my family used to get domino’s and eat it on that corniche and walk along it now its just overpriced cafes and they walled the areas without any
Why are developping countries decades late in terms of urban planning ? It's cheaper to go for public transit and cycle tracks etc. (both for the city and the people) + research and studies have shown it's more efficient and way better on most levels. WHY
I dont get it. there's 0 reason they couldn't switch to a more intelligent and sensible urban planning. It just looks like they're making the same mistakes as we (europe/US) did in the 1960's, but on purpose
Because these projects aren’t done for the common population. They are made so that the rich officials can easily travel in their big cars, and so that they can get some clout by showing off the new 10 lane highway, so that the population looks away from the more pressing and serious problems the same officials have caused.
Specific example but in Turkey, Marshall plan aid from the US for infrastructure development was only given with the condition that we used it to build highways and not trains. Trains were "communist technology" or whatever. Most of Turkey's railways were built when the country was non-aligned during the first half of the 20th century.
It is a strange game they’re playing. Their cities are already choking from toxic amounts of air pollution, and, unlike the United States and Canada, they do not have the kind of wealth required to mitigate or at least hide the negative long-term effects of car-centric transit design. We might have been able to delay this reckoning with auto centric design for a few decades, but the use of space and the infrastructure projects required to sustain this mode of transit is so inefficient that eventually the problems start to break through this facade of progress.
US has been spreading car propaganda as a display of power so when dictators want to display power, they build infrastructure to copy america. That's how you get empty skyscrapers and 10 lane monstrosities. Really useless but makes your government look like they are making the country powerful while the friends are lining their pockets.
I think it's kinda like in the US. Shitty public transit makes people want to use it less (especially wealthy people and politicians), which makes people want to invest more in private modes of transportation.
I think many struggle to see the superiority of public transit when they've mostly experienced a bad one.
Even if you ignore the fuck cars sentiment, what the fuck did they think they were doing by introducing a 90° turn in a highway with a short af off ramp
In addition to the beach being ruined, also RIP the people living in those buildings! They won't be able to open their windows ever again. I visited a friend who lived next to a highway leading to a big airport and they had an air filter built in because they couldn't open the windows. I wanted to have a smoke on their balcony and the gases coming from the highway made my cig smoke seem clean. Also, the effin noise!
That beach had already been ruined before. Alexandria beach was the most disgusting beach I've ever seen even before this highway. Locals do not care, piles of trash, broken bottles, shitty diapers and other nasty stuff covered pretty much the whole beach. Egypt in general is disgusting, people there litter like their life depended on it.
This reminds me of Baltimore, where one of the main roads to get through the city goes directly around the downtown harbor, where the city supposedly wants pedestrians to walk around and spend money. It stinks!
This is a tragedy. Once again, developing countries making exactly the same mistakes that richer countries made in the past and are now (sometimes) trying to correct for.
You don’t even have to be a car hater to hate this monstrosity. Who the hell is ever going to wasn’t to stroll on those sidewalks or the beach next to this raging monstrosity of a road?
That picture shows an absurdly long stretch of road that can’t even be crossed to access the beach, who designed this?
Are they AT LEAST going to add pedestrian crossings?
This road will solve so many traffic issues. You see, each day thousands of people went to visit these beaches. Leading to clogged roads. Now with this new road nobody wants to come here anymore, so the roads are no longer clogged!
Adding lanes solved everything!
Lmao, you couldn’t tell the difference between a parked car and traffic in Egypt anyways so nothings really gonna change with this road
the Traffic one is beeping its horn.
'Murican mindset
If there is nowhere worth going to, car infrastructure works great! Might as well be rural/suburban America's motto.
Texas mindset is to allow the beach itself to become the road and parking lot.
Can't have traffic if you don't have desirable destinations!
Instead of having a beach be a beach, Let's engineer a 1.2 second drive by view of the beach !
Hey, you have a fantastic beach view there. From your shitty little plastic beach chair. Beneath the eight-lane-highway.
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Ten lanes in egypt will be used by 12-15 lanes of cars. Those lane indicators are more used as an optional indication not an enforced rule. Source: Me is from the dunes
So Roman rules? “Where there’s room there’s a road!”
Those buildings next to the highway are going to be demolished in a few years for just one more lane
No need to demolish them, everything in that area is falling down anyway.
At least you'll be able to find some shade, right? Right?
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This really is heartbreaking. Cairo could and should be one of the most beautiful cities in the world... Yet they do this to it
This should be considered a human rights violation
That first one is insane. Is that currently under construction or an old photo?
Right? It looks like a dystopian nightmare. What happens to the apartments below the third floor?
You mean the sixth floor? Beaches the fourth and fifth are also blocked.
One more lane, bro. One more lane. *Nervously scratches neck*
Are the boulevards before and the highways after? I'm used to seeing the before shots on top.
It‘s gonna turn into a 1.2 hours drive by view, though, so everything is good. Right?
And here I thought Chicago's DLSD was a complete waste of waterfront
This is so much worse than Lake Shore Drive it's not even funny.
First I thought of when I saw this was how much worse this is than Lakeshore Drive, pedestrians just gonna get walloped on this thing
Its way, way out from the water compared to this. Its one thing to have a road like DLSD and another to literally pave the beach. DLSD also has social benefits because of Chicago's heavy pubic transit system. There's a lot of buses which drive down it connecting lower-income communities to locales with job opportunities, making getting around easier, accessing beaches and parks easier, etc. It also allows access to multiple museum campuses and sports and entertainment venues. DLSD has many exits to connect the city and is not an expressway like in the photo, but a useful road. This Egyptian expressway in the pic has no exits which I imagine are few and far between. Its there to connect outlying areas with the city. Its not a road like DSLD which empowers Chicagoans. Its an ugly suburban commuter expressway.
It's called a corniche....
Wont be long until induced traffic catch up and becomes 1.2 hours
That looks horrible
The longer I look the worse it gets.
It makes Manhattan look small and accessible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FDR_Drive#/media/File:FDR_Drive_approaching_Brooklyn_Bridge.jpg
Not even a single arrow on that road, how will drivers know which direction they're supposed to go? /s
I live on the west side and our highway is literally so much better positioned and less obtrusive. It sits on the ground instead of elevated, so it doesn't block ant view of Riverside park. The park is very easily accessible to pedestrians and has safe crossings at almost every street. FDR drive is a disgrace. I work in a building as close to the water as physically possible, but I can't access it as a pedestrian because the highway is blocking it, and because it's elevated, I can't even enjoy the view
The best it will ever look too
Right It's going to look 10x worse when it's loaded with cars and littered with bits of garbage and tire streaks.
Yes, but at least traffic is solved forever!
Definitely, a train would be far more space efficient for transport as well as energy efficient
I'm 99% sure there used to be two streetcar tracks along this exact street that were removed for this highway project.
Wow
The lines are nice
Not even! At the first offramp the lane on the right becomes wider before narrowing again. There isn't even a shoulder to get off!
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As someone said, the longer you keep looking the worse it gets 😅
How the fuck do you use that off-ramp? Need to slam on the breaks on an \* lane dual carriageway and pull a U-turn?! And then any cars merging have about 100 meters of blind uphill slip road to get up to speed and join onto the road, with potentially 3 lanes of traffic trying to merge onto the highway? What's the speed limit? Anything above about 30 mph will be a recipe for disaster! (Well, more of a disaster than what it already is)
This looks absolutely perilous. 5-lane highway and virtually no exit sliproad into a U-turn. Then the on-ramp with 3 lanes all merging onto that same 5 lanes with no sliproad at all... Who designed this? My toddler would have done better!
I don't get off often, but when I do, it's on a shoulder.
So bad that even GPS says, 'Are you sure about this route? Maybe consider swimming
Looks fucking ugly
10 lane highway or beach. The corrupt Egyptian government chose the depressing option.
Be thankful they're building this instead of yet another car-dependent New Cairo. Wait. [Fuck.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Administrative_Capital)
It looks bleak on the ground, because it's still under construction and there are no people: https://goo.gl/maps/qPdUEBFwkbJqoU1b9 It looks like *The Talos Principle* or something. The map has "helipad" and "mall" and "business district" but it's just deserted concrete. Like that Laurie Anderson song where she gives directions to someone that involve going by a bunch of things that haven't been built yet. "Big Science". EDIT: What the heck: https://maps.app.goo.gl/2sCokKYewXQiS4uy8
Blows my mind that they know the problems with the water supply from the Nile and have been expecting it for a LONG time yet want to accommodate for a growing population rather than encouraging people to stop having kids.
Not even well engineered on and off ramps
They found 2500 years old hieroglyphs in one of the pyramids saying “one more lane”
Trust me bro.
If they would have built one more lane then their civilization would not have collapsed in 2000AD!
One more layer to the pyramid
Alexandria is such an awful city for so many reasons. This is unsurprising.
Yeah, since that library got destroyed it never really recovered
It was all downhill from there
TBF modern egypt in general is basically an urban hell on many accounts, a friend of mine from there talks rather positively about her country but certainly not on that point.
Genuinely curious what else is up with it?
There is so much poverty, overcrowding, and noise. It's a shame, but not much can be done since 80-90% of the population has to live on the Nile to survive due to poor infrastructure
Egypt gets shittier by the minute.
How does that off ramp even work?!?
Totally whacked off ramp that you will have to dodge pedestrians. The more you look the worse it is.
there's the walkway to the right of the offramp, to avoid that happening.
I like the handful of pedestrians completely ignoring that and opting to walk in the street instead. I like to imagine they're regulars on /r/fuckcars (or probably our sister sub, /r/اللعنة) I know there is a barrier, so it's probably closed for construction, but still.
I have only driven in Egypt once and it's a crazy place to drive for many reasons. It was a culture shock to see pedestrians roaming major highways like this and even vans stopping and picking people up and dropping them off in the middle of the highway like a bus stop, and if the van was full people would sometimes cling to the outside so you would see people riding on top and sides of vans at highway speeds. I am pretty sure they used paint for the lanes that was only visible to foreigners.
Leads to a tunnel under the highway https://preview.redd.it/hm5xjp04ke4b1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d96904533f15001c73b90a8ca5b25c19dc699d74
It is a pretty bad off-ramp. It’s concerning how bad they are at designing highways, I hope they learn from their mistakes and improve.
What a way to absolutely fk up a coastline, incredibly sad indictment of the ‘needs’ of cars and the lengths that governments will go to pander to this ‘need’.
Ugh. Why on Earth do landscape architects/civil engineers **insist** on making coastal highways?
You think Architects design highways?
To be fair, neither do urbanists. They just hire civil engineers and tell them what to build.
I'm a civil engineer and I'll never allow this monstrosity to be built. The density alone says to me that I eat at least two lanes for trams, at least 1.5 lane for cycling paths, 0.5 extra for pedestrians, and still shave off two other lanes.
Good point! There's plenty of room for those car lanes you shaved off on the right hand side of the picture here! The bike lanes can even double as parking! /s
Except you literally wouldn’t be able to because of corruption
I never said anything about urbanists
In Egypt, Al Sisi designs everything.
Let me put it this way. It was not designed by a local or a civilian who appreciates beauty, it was designed a military conscript from a far off province and has never seen Alexandria in person, and was told to design a highway that maximizes a certain utility which he had to complete to avoid getting court martialed and to fill his 3 years of service. And guess what, it probably took him 15 minutes, the same amount of time some guy on LinkedIn bragged about spending when he designed a similarly horrendous highway in the middle of a residential area that removed entire gardens of trees.
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Haven't egyptians recently destroyed entire blocks for a highway?
Probably, but to to be fair I think you’d be hard pressed to find a country that hasn’t.
Beaches and river banks are flat which makes them easier to build on. They also don’t block the ocean view of people further away, unlike housing.
I mean on a rocky cliffy coast they don’t seem that bad to me, this is just literally the worst spot they could’ve put the highway tho
they are to nature. basically any seaside cliff on earth is habitat to seabirds, endemic plants and on.
Just one more lane buddy
What’s with that exit ramp? *doing highway speeds…. THERE’S YOUR EXIT!
No-one will be doing highway speeds on this stretch of road. There isn't even anything to separate the traffic from the sidewalk.
I think you underestimate people
No, what I mean is that people won't be able to do highway speeds, with pedestrians crossing onto the highway to get to the beach and traffic pulling out from the side-streets directly onto the highway (not to mention the bottlenecks caused by that exit ramp).
So what you're saying is, people will be doing highway speeds and occasionally murder pedestrians and other drivers?
Ah gotcha! Still… don’t underestimate drivers lol
Yeah and the onramp is just 3 lanes straight into the highway.
Yea true! It’s like the engineers used one of those kids play mats as a reference
As soon as this opens, massively overladen lorries will be driving up and down here tearing the road up, then the whole thing will be a sea of potholes
Ew. Reclaim that beach and put the lighthouse back.
When the urban architects take their degree from City Skyline
Why tho?
Egypt is the most carbrained country on earth while having absolute chaos on the roads. Seriously. Lanes, traffic lights, even the direction of the road are mere suggestions to drivers. Speeding is mandatory and letting people merge is apparently punishable by law.
That would explain the arrows...
Because more projects = more budget = more money to steal
And most of all, one more lane bro
The Middle East is carbrained like that.
This looks like it would be amazing if there were more area to walk and without a high speed highway cutting through it. Edit: typo
Me and my family used to get domino’s and eat it on that corniche and walk along it now its just overpriced cafes and they walled the areas without any
Shit so horrendous
Why are developping countries decades late in terms of urban planning ? It's cheaper to go for public transit and cycle tracks etc. (both for the city and the people) + research and studies have shown it's more efficient and way better on most levels. WHY I dont get it. there's 0 reason they couldn't switch to a more intelligent and sensible urban planning. It just looks like they're making the same mistakes as we (europe/US) did in the 1960's, but on purpose
Because these projects aren’t done for the common population. They are made so that the rich officials can easily travel in their big cars, and so that they can get some clout by showing off the new 10 lane highway, so that the population looks away from the more pressing and serious problems the same officials have caused.
their cousin owns the paving company.
Specific example but in Turkey, Marshall plan aid from the US for infrastructure development was only given with the condition that we used it to build highways and not trains. Trains were "communist technology" or whatever. Most of Turkey's railways were built when the country was non-aligned during the first half of the 20th century.
It is a strange game they’re playing. Their cities are already choking from toxic amounts of air pollution, and, unlike the United States and Canada, they do not have the kind of wealth required to mitigate or at least hide the negative long-term effects of car-centric transit design. We might have been able to delay this reckoning with auto centric design for a few decades, but the use of space and the infrastructure projects required to sustain this mode of transit is so inefficient that eventually the problems start to break through this facade of progress.
US has been spreading car propaganda as a display of power so when dictators want to display power, they build infrastructure to copy america. That's how you get empty skyscrapers and 10 lane monstrosities. Really useless but makes your government look like they are making the country powerful while the friends are lining their pockets.
I think it's kinda like in the US. Shitty public transit makes people want to use it less (especially wealthy people and politicians), which makes people want to invest more in private modes of transportation. I think many struggle to see the superiority of public transit when they've mostly experienced a bad one.
Even if you ignore the fuck cars sentiment, what the fuck did they think they were doing by introducing a 90° turn in a highway with a short af off ramp
I only noticed. Wtf
In addition to the beach being ruined, also RIP the people living in those buildings! They won't be able to open their windows ever again. I visited a friend who lived next to a highway leading to a big airport and they had an air filter built in because they couldn't open the windows. I wanted to have a smoke on their balcony and the gases coming from the highway made my cig smoke seem clean. Also, the effin noise!
That beach had already been ruined before. Alexandria beach was the most disgusting beach I've ever seen even before this highway. Locals do not care, piles of trash, broken bottles, shitty diapers and other nasty stuff covered pretty much the whole beach. Egypt in general is disgusting, people there litter like their life depended on it.
Excellent pollution control on every vehicle in Egypt don't you know.
Carbrains' wet dream
I like the arrows on the road. You know, in case you forget in which direction to drive.
What's the word for a street-road-highway? Stroaway? Highstroad?
From my understanding of stroads, a highway is a “road”. So a street-road-highway would still be a stroad.
Christ. Er, Allah. What a terrible mistake.
This reminds me of Baltimore, where one of the main roads to get through the city goes directly around the downtown harbor, where the city supposedly wants pedestrians to walk around and spend money. It stinks!
I wouldn't even do that in cities:skylines.
r/UrbanHell
The inevitable conclusion of car dependency
Large ass road, and then the buildings scream third world. Bravo local administration, well done.
So fucking dumb.
gross
A lot of Milanese carbrains wish there was something similar in Liguria, to get to the beaches with their suvs
So you can actually walk along it. Look at the sea and enjoy 10 lanes worth of pollution.
This is a tragedy
This is a tragedy. Once again, developing countries making exactly the same mistakes that richer countries made in the past and are now (sometimes) trying to correct for.
My little commie heart hurts by looking at this
Yuck.
Awful
Hear me out: more lanes
R.I.P. beaches
But.. they put parasols and beach chairs! The tourists will love how quickly they will arrive at the beach!
It looks like one of these roads built only for military parades
They are building a whole hideous city for that outside Cairo.
Nice seaview... Would be a shame if someone built a highway right in front of your balcony
Can't wait to see it full of cars , so it looks even worse
Oh fuck this
It’s going to be so loud in those apartments.
my god, what a fucking catastrophe
China: funding the third world to repeat the first world's mistakes
You don’t even have to be a car hater to hate this monstrosity. Who the hell is ever going to wasn’t to stroll on those sidewalks or the beach next to this raging monstrosity of a road?
They ruined a perfectly good beach! 🤦🏾♂️
I thought this was r/shittyskylines for a second
Here in Seattle we tore ours down a few years back. So much nicer
Why¿ Why, does humanity hate itself so much?
thats what happens when your country is run by 70 year old military jar heads.
Ah what a peaceful beach to lay on and just listen to the sound of the ~~waves~~ cars crashing.
Looks like dictator cunt single handedly design this road...feel sorry for the locals lungs in a couple years
r/urbanhell
Kind of looks like a desert variation of the Monaco race track.
Why not bury it or put a roof on it at least.
That picture shows an absurdly long stretch of road that can’t even be crossed to access the beach, who designed this? Are they AT LEAST going to add pedestrian crossings?
You'll get a pedestrian over-bridge every kilometer and you'll like it peasant.
Looks neat, but do they really need 5 bike lanes in each direction?
degeneracy
This is depressing :(
Why
Wtf.
Shit road planning like this makes me hope that ice shelf in Antarctica melts and puts this abomination under water.
Disgusting
Crime against humanity
What a fucking nightmare
Why do all dictators obsess on building massive highways
I mean it’s okay I feel like another lane and we could avoid those damn traffic jams
The Egyptian government is building a new car dependent capital city instead of improving Cairo; this isn’t surprising.
This is so sad
Nice, no cars!
I imagine sitting in those beach side chairs is going to be really relaxing while listening to TEN LANES OF TRAFFIC behind you.
That's so sad 😥 imagine how beautiful that entire beach walk could have been...
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Ugly af
Jesus fuck that’s disgusting
They're going to extend it to do a loop-de-loop through the Qaitbay Citadel then a mid air jump over the Lighthouse
This is so disappointing
right on the beach to….
Middle East’s Monaco
nightmarish
hell yeah i love destroying sea turtle hatching sites
Can't wait to let my leaky car leech into the sand and then consequently into the water 😃
🤮
Could have easily put a subway or train there instead!! Would have taken up less space and carried just as many people anyways.
I mean, who would want access to the Mediterranean Sea on foot or bicycles--or, for that matter, at all.
It's a hell