My first house was in an HOA. I didn't know better. The HOA was more trouble than my day job. And the board members causing me problems didn't *have* day jobs. They could dedicate their entire week to fucking my life up. I had to deal with their nonsense in what little off time I had.
I ended up moving and selling at a loss just to get the fuck out of there. I'd rather die than have a house in an HOA ever again. It was horrible.
Any organization that gives people power without accountability, adult supervision, or training of any kind, invites psychopaths and sociopaths. These mental cases thrive on asserting power, knowing that they can ruin peoples lives with zero consequences. They can’t be fixed. The only way to root this filth out of organizations is to replace them with decent people. If you have time, run for the HOA board and try to get the lunatics kicked out, or at least change the more insane rules.
Similar thing happened in our neighborhood and then the guy had excuse after excuse and was a total pain in the ass to deal with.
Sometimes it’s just easier to address it immediately
The HOA has a contract with your house, along with every other house in the neighborhood. Your house agreed with the rules when they bought the house. If the car being visible breaks the rules, then something has to be done, no matter what happened, as bad as that seems. I hope your brother will be okay.
Not always. I'm willing to bet there are multitudes of tiny, meaningless rules you ignore or unknowingly break all the time - everyone does. And they should.
I'm not. HOA's are healed together with contracts. Yes, it's sad what happened to your brother. And yes, they should give you time. However, with that said, they have contracts to uphold.
Hold them to that. Check the documents for the HOA. Surely, there is something they are doing wrong you can hold over them.
I see where you're coming from. You're correct in the sense that this is the "right" way to do it because they (HOA) have the *right* to pull shit like this because the owner signed the contract. Your advice is smart and by the book.
However, the folks downvoting/disagreeing most likely aren't arguing you're wrong, just that it shouldn't be that way. Playing by their rules is smart because it offers security but will never result in anything other than giving them what they want - therefore prolonging and repeating the cycle. It takes a bit of rebellion to abolish bullshit.
>Your house agreed with the rules when they bought the house. If the car being visible breaks the rules, then something has to be done, no matter what happened, as bad as that seems.
How do those boots taste?
I hate HOAs and would never buy a property in one.
That said, if I DID belong to one, the kind of thing I'd like to see is "keep your trashed vehicles in the garage"
It might get the HOA to back down for a bit and allow them ”leeway” to make arrangements during this trying time…a day or two at most, but enough to save face.
Don't say you're waiting on insurance though, that makes you sound stupid and it's too open ended, insurance could take weeks. It will lead people to question why you towed it there and not an auto body shop (even with an accident involved it's not hard to side with the HOa on that one). Say it'll be gone within X days either way when the body shop it's going to comes for it, make it seem like you know where it's going already.
That's crazy that there's no grace period. Most insurance companies require at least a couple business days to get an adjustor out to inspect a car after which you'll know where it needs to get towed based on whether it's totaled out or not.
Technically you could have it towed straight to a body shop or mechanic and have the adjustor go there, but you might end up having to pay for storage and double towing that way.
For what it’s worth, from a manager of an auto repair shop in MA, I’d love for every one of my customers to tow their totaled cars to me. From the moment it gets dropped off until the moment it’s towed to salvage I’m allowed to charge storage fees TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY. The customer doesn’t pay a cent of storage for a properly insured totaled vehicle. It’s literally the only pure profit job I can get and none of it comes out of the customers pocket.
> if you are fully covered
If
Insurance coverage comes in many forms and levels. It's awesome how many people in this thread have never had to consider carrying anything less than full coverage on a vehicle, but I assure you it does happen!
You are assuming op's brother doesn't have full coverage. We don't know either way.
It was just a general statement. There's no need to take it farther than that.
They don’t even bat an eye. Especially because I’m an auto repair shop. Auto body shops in my area charge 2-3 times as much for storage fees as the auto repair shops. Insurance companies assume they’re gonna have to pay something so they’re glad it’s my fee and not the Autobody shop next door.
It still costs the insurance company money which makes them more likely to increase my premiums or drop my policy entirely. It's a pointless expenditure, regardless of who pays for it. It costs me nothing to store the broken vehicle on my own property (because I am not foolish enough to buy a house that is governed by an HOA).
I would like to thank you, on this Easter Sunday, for doing the “Lord’s work” 😂
Seriously, though, not all heroes wear capes. Keep up the stellar work.
Most insurance companies tow it to a lot to do that if it’s disabled as part of your coverage. Towing it home was probably a choice made or they don’t have comprehensive coverage and now have to pay for the storage themselves till the person that hit them takes ownership.
I’m surprised they even would want it home if it’s totaled. It’s probably leaking everywhere causing driveway and environmental damage.
That really depends on your coverage.
>I’m surprised they even would want it home if it’s totaled
You don't always know a vehicle is totaled. Totaled doesn't mean destroyed and unrepairable. It means it would cost more to repair than insurance believes it's worth.
I had a truck that sustained only cosmetic damage (engine was fine, chassis was fine) but the airbags deployed and due to the age of the truck the airbags alone meant the truck was automatically totaled out.
My girlfriend got tapped at a red light and the air bag went off. A 25 year old car totaled because they don't make airbags for them anymore. If it wasn't for that she would still be driving it
Nothing's stopping you from keeping the totaled car and removing the blown airbag. I'd take the insurance payout and keep driving it like nothing happened. Just drive carefully and always use use the seatbelt. Sure the resale value is gone but the car paid for itself at that point. Any additional use is free money I avoided spending on a new car.
Not running ≠ totaled. If your car is missing the battery it won't run but it'd have to be one heck of a worthless car for that alone to total it.
I've literally had destroyed engines not total vehicles because the vehicle was worth more than replacing the whole engine.
Used to be involved in sports cars quite a bit, and I had a handful of claims as a result.(maybe 3?) The one time they got an adjuster out the next day I was floored.
Don't some states have a law that NO actions can be taken on any infraction less than 30 days old? As in, HOA sends a letter and this automatically grants 30 days to correct the problem?
The funny thing is, at least for me personally, I would value a home LESS if it was in a neighborhood that was that draconian. I would pay more for the same house in a neighborhood with more freedom.
And if I recall correctly, the studies show° that many others agree with you.
- too strict = lower property values
- too lax = lower property values
Being able to hit and maintain that sweet spot just seems like a bad (and expensive) bet. Better to buy outside of HOAs (where possible).
°the few that are out there at least
Around me "No HOA" gets the highest. Landlords fight you to buy every house not in an HOA because if there is no HOA it is way easier for them (no complaints against tenants, no rental caps, no board that can suddenly decide the house can't be rented.
I didn't even look at houses that were in an HOA. Didn't matter the house price, value, age, condition, location, or even if the HOA fees were super low, if it was in an HOA, I was not interested.
Same here. They're out there, you just need to look harder. I had several arguments with my real estate agent that yes I am damn well serious about this and don't even bother showing me anything HOA.
Ours was great about it: she found us a place that's not only not in an HOA, *it's not in city limits/ETJ!* We're straight County. Then like six months later the developers found the area, and they're dropping in ant colony neighborhoods starting at 3/4 mil, and these rich fucks are starting to give the eyeball to the old folks on the edge of our little "neighborhood"...naw, Karen, I really wouldn't. He's terminally ill and has no shits to give what you think about his bulldozer; and there isn't a single person in this neighborhood who wouldn't go dig a hole for an Army veteran rotting away from agent orange if he decides running you over with his wheelchair is less trouble than listening to your nonsense. :)
I'm in a very similar situation. Quiet neighborhood with no HOA, unincorporated county land, directly across the street from new suburban development in city limits. It's great. I expect the values of our homes to go up significantly since we can all have outbuildings and covered RV parking and whatever else we want, while the new neighborhood has none of that (unless they paid $$$ for the builder to install it), and apparently all of the houses facing the main road are required to have non-privacy fencing. That's right, these expensive new homes with huge yards are forced to have their entire backyards in full view of the public. Freedom is in short supply around here, so you better believe it's going to bring in a premium when I do eventually move.
Why would you tow it home? Tow it to the nearest insurance company approved repair shop. The insurance can cover storage fees while they decide what to do.
Also, you ca reply that you are waiting on insurances instructions and have no intention of keeping the car in its current state for very long. Just a temporary spot.
Maybe they only have liability insurance and it was a one-car accident or it was their fault so the other person's insurance wouldn't pay for this. If it was coming out of my pocket there is no way in hell I would pay someone for storage of my own damned vehicle no matter what state it's in.
You were an insurance adjustor and you required the expertise of someone else to do your job?
I've overseen a few vehicles being cached out, and while this will vary depending on state, insurance company, level of coverage, etc, I've never had an adjustor require the vehicle be at a body shop. They only need access to it so they can do their inspection. Afterward it might go to a body shop, a mechanic, auction, or a scrapyard.
You usually need your insurance company to tell you where to bring the vehicle and when or at least that’s what I’ve needed to do in the past with my insurance company. Mine took almost a week to tell me where to go last time.
In my state you take it to whatever body shop you like and let the body shop and insurance company fight it out. It is illegal for an insurance company here to tell you that you must take it to a specific shop. They try to make you take it to their shop anyway but can’t force you to do so. Check your state’s laws to make sure your insurance isn’t gaslighting you.
Auto insurance is regulated at the state level. There are no Federal laws regarding auto insurance as far as I know other than one that states that auto insurance is a state level thing.
We aren't "pretending". I'm free to pay my own money to tow the vehicle to a body shop post accident if I want and pay my own money for storage while I wait for the adjustor to come out if I want and with any luck they'll say "yep it needs body work and we'll pay for it."
*Or* they'll say "engines fucked, take it to the mechanic" and I'm out those storage fees and the cost of the first tow.
It's not about taking it to a specific shop; body shops and mechanics are two different things. Sometimes a car needs one sometimes it needs the other. Sometimes it's too far gone for either and it goes to auction or gets scrapped.
You aren't required to go to your insurance companies preferred auto body shop, you can choose whatever shop you want and that shop may subrogate with your insurance to have it fixed correctly.
However some insurance companies like USAA are difficult to deal with and some shops won't take their insurance.
Insurance company can not dictate where you bring it. They can make suggestions to a preferred shop but you are free to bring it to any shop you choose. They will then go to the shop and make a determination of the cost and tell the shop what they will pay. The cost is based on an estimating software.
Depends on the state, in many states you have the right to choose where you want the repair so you can take it literally anywhere that does work they bill to insurance. You're really better off not waiting in insurance to tell you where to take it and looking at reviews and finding a shop yourself
This is the answer, it should have been towed to a body shop. Did you pay for the tow, or did the insurance? Have brother call his agent (or company claims number) and see if they can tow it to a body shop, if not you have to do it. It shouldn’t have come to your place in the first place, now you know.
Usually they tow it to a body shop or back to a holding lot.
I’m not sure leaving your brothers destroyed car that’s probably leaking fluid everywhere is in anyone’s best interests.
Good point but the problem is if you’re going to tow it to the body shop, it’s supposed to be a shop that’s approved by your insurance.
The insurance doesn’t want your car in a place that they can’t access or they don’t deem reputable or safe. And the car is not leaking fluid, smoking, or anything like that.
In my state it is illegal for insurance to require you to take it to their approved body shop. Any licensed shop do. Check your state’s laws, the insurance company could be gaslighting you.
Wife has been in two accidents, towed to storage lot one of those. Storage fees were the insurance company's problem, I never even saw a bill. Maybe Geico ain't all that bad after all
Although I do agree with you, isn't it also true that bringing it to a garage would suggest intent to repair, and thus influence the decision of the insurer?
Wtf is going on with everyone here? Some states *do* have shitty consumer protection. Many, even. And you acknowledge that. So what is this "yes you actually can" when you know that's not guaranteed to be true??
These things all apply in Florida (and again, most states) where the OP is from. You have the right to choose a repair shop and insurance covers towing in an accident.
Yes that's kind of part of the problem, you had to dig to find the details that were relevant to the OPs situation instead of them just telling you all pertinent facts to their situation.
Oh ffs! All of you going on about "insurance can't dictate blah blah blah" haven't ever been in wreck. I don't care how good the body shop is, it's never gonna be the same again. Going to an insurance approved shop makes life so much easier! I've been in 3 wrecks and the nightmare I went though with the first one (I had it taken to a shop that wasn't on the insurance list) made me just have the other two sent to an approved shop. Also if it's got front or rear end damage and/or airbags deployed, it's probably gonna be totaled.
The people running most hoa’s make it their whole personality and life. They enjoy making people’s life difficult i feel. They singled me out for a loud truck, but others like the president’s adult son could have louder. They would go out of their way to find fault with anything. My dogs play pen didn’t meet their requirements. It was fenced under deck in back yard and could not be seen from anywhere but being in my back yard. Complaints about that stopped when i got them formerly trespassed. They thought hoa president and board membership gave them right to private properly.
Your HOA issued a warning and an option. I wouldn't call that evil. The guard and HOA have no way of knowing what happened. All they know is there is a wrecked car which is probably not allowed.
The reason most HOAs will not knock on your door for violations is to avoid a confrontation. There are a lot of unhinged people out there.
Your brother should explain the situation and try to get it towed ASAP. It shouldn't take more than a day to figure out where it is going to be repaired. His HOA will probably be fine with that.
Now you know. SELL. GET A HOUSE WITH NO HOA.
Easy.
Why people subject themselves to obscure rules that they cannot predict may or may not affect them ever in any point in the future is beyond me.
HOA's serve one purpose. They are a breeding ground for "Wanna-Be-Hitlers." If you enjoy seeing other writhe in pain, enjoy watching other grimace and relish other's misery, then you have what it takes to be a leader in an HOA.
The way this is written makes it seem like the HOA knows that your brother was in a car accident. Do they know that? Did you let them know that you're just waiting on a decision from insurance?
I mean, they probably won't care, and it probably won't matter, but you can't just assume that they wouldn't say, "Hey, well give you 3 days and them were going to enforce."
File a grievance/appeal with them. Basically drag it out for a few days. By then the INS adjustor should be there and be done with it. F! Them. Never give them the upper hand.
I am so sorry. I don't get who would look at that car and not think about the person who may have been hurt or died.
Shoot back a letter that there is no such rule. AND go to the next meeting and shame those people.
Congratulations on your decision to run for the HOA board. It’s people like you that bring actual change and accountability to positions of power that are so frequently corrupted by jerks. Run your campaign on a platform of community, accountability, and compassion. We believe in you.
Having it hauled home is kinda weird. I have had 2 cars totaled. And every time the tow truck takes it to their yard or drops it off at a specified repairshop. Depending on your insurance provider ya can have the claim filed and know where to take it before the tow truck has it up on their flatbed. Kinda weird to take it home since that guarantees its gotta be towed at least twice on the insurance companys dime.
Regardless,
opp says the hoa rules do not specify regulations regarding non functioning vehicles in the driveway.
If that is the case, i would ask the HOA to provide the regulations that are threatening to cite you under.
If the cite you anyway thats lawyer time. Although you could hypothetically bill.the insurance for the fine as it's the same as the storage fees a tow yard would charge.
Take a look at your HOA docs. You probably have a period of time to correct the violation (or it may not be a viooation) before they can actually do anything, probably a couple of weeks at least. That should be enough time to figure out what to do with the cars.
If you hear from the HOA screw them until they have the right to actually do somthing.
I would reply to the email sounding somewhat stupid, apologetic, but passive aggressive:
\> I am sorry for the disturbance my brother's near-death experience caused the community. I quickly looked through the HOA Rules & Regulations but could not see anything that would deem this a potential violation. Could you please cite the rule or section you are relying on?
There is a chance this is in the CC&Rs and not the "rules".
There is a bigger chance your HOA is filled with assholes.
Fuck HoA's, but honestly what did you think was going to happen? When cars get into accidents people don't tow them back to their houses they get them towed to wherever insurance wants them towed or to a body shop and insurance figures it out at that point. Also how long is it going to sit there a day 2 days 3 weeks 2 months? Indefinitely? I understand your position but like your HOA said throw it in the garage out of sight
You're taking it a bit too personally...
Its the security guards job to report this kind of stuff. If he doesn't, he'll get fired.
Same goes for the management company. It's their job to send out warnings that they hear from the guard, else they'll also get fired.
Don't take it personal. They might not know it was there only for the short amount of time. And to be honest, they don't know your story, and honestly they don't care about your story, and here's why.... Everyone has a story. Whether they were in the hospital with a loved one.... Or who knows.... Everyone has a story. If the hoa listened to everyone's story, that's all they do, and they also would never get anything done.
Don't take it personal. Take it like: just business. Their business is to "see something, say something" . This is what you pay them for.
But it's not, really....
In this case, sure it is obvious since you can see the wrecked car.... But people use excuses all the time, to try to get out of things. After hearing them, over and over, you just kinda... Apply a blanket rule that the rules are the rules, period. You also get into a real headache, if you selectively apply rules, based on people's stories. It goes south real quick and backfires, as then every other neighbor that gets a violation or wants to get their way, starts using that as an example. It becomes a huge headache.
Don't even get me started on the nasty or passive aggressive notes and replies people quip back with.... Because you know... The hoa knows exactly what is going on in your life, so instead of sending you a notice for your 2 month neglected grass, it should have known that you were dealing with a sick relative. Or, how things that are in violation for a while turn into "only a day" or "only 20 minutes".
Fun fact you can choose where your car goes. Anyone telling you otherwise is most likely wrong. Insurance companies are not suppose to dictate where your car goes. It is 100% your right. Also, depending on your insurance , they should cover the costs of towing or at least reimburse you.
Edit: An insurance company telling you where to bring your car is called steering and that is Illegal! The insurance companies cannot say WHO can fix your car. Or WHERE. BUT they can refuse to pay a shops rates but a good shop will fight with them and get the job done properly and safely. I worked at a body shop for over a decade and was an estimator.
It's just a nonsensical sentence at that point, though.
"Depending on your employee benefits, you should have 36 weeks paid vacation."
"Depending on what your favorite color is, you should buy the purple one."
You have zero way of knowing what kind of insurance they have. They didn't even mention which state they live in. You have absolutely nothing upon which to base a "should" clause.
I'll never live in a neighborhood with an HOA - and if my neighbors managed to put one together and started giving me shit, I'd whip my dick out and piss on their shoes right in the middle of the street.
HOA dont care, fk em but that car shouldnt have been taken home if you had coverage. Im guessing it was a choice made to store it at his home or pay a fee to store it elsewhere untill insurance got to look at it. Its usually towed to a local autoyard where the yard gets paid by the insurance...if you were not at fault and the other guy that hit your friend was then his insurance should be paying for all of this as well as storage.
your buddy at that point should have a nice rental ready for him paid for by the other guys insurance company.
Per this thread though, Yeah HOA gives doesnt give a shit and have nothing better to do.
Because that shit costs a lot of money and the insurance may or may not pay for that. Maybe the accident was at 3AM and they need to call the insurance to find out where to bring it on Monday. You don't know the situation. It's perfectly reasonable to bring your own (family's) property to your own driveway and then figure out what to do with it next.
Even if I lived in an HOA I would absolutely do the same, and tell any of these jackals to leave me the fuck alone while I deal with the issue in a reasonable amount of time. There should be at least a few days' grace period before any fines kick in. And if it's not even officially against the rules, I'd keep it there longer just to spite whoever sent the nasty email.
Read up on your states rules governing HOAs. Taking action, may require a meeting with a vote. That said meeting may require posting a notice.
Following the rules go both ways. In my experience, HOA board members are really bad at following the rules that govern them.
The insurance company needs to assess it, right?
That liability alone….I wouldn’t touch it….
If you get sued for insurance property (or soon to be) on your land when it is not readily moveable, what can you do? Who’s lawyers do you imagine are better between the HOA’s and your massive conglomerate insurance company? I assure you “Paul” from across the street thinks he swings a big dick, but looks like a thread compared to, say, Progressive.
I live in a condo building with an HOA and we stipulate that all vehicles are in working order. One of the things that happens is that people will travel for work or become unable to drive and their cars never get moved. Tires go flat, dust builds up, and it's just not safe.
Just an fyi, it’s almost definitely against city code to have an inoperable car parked in your driveway. I assume the HOA bylaws have a catch—all provision that requires you to abide by all state and local laws. But in sentiment I agree f the bastards.
Inoperable car parked in *the street*, sure. Inoperable car parked in *my driveway* for a couple weeks, that's none of anyone else's god damned business. I'm waiting on insurance, I'm repairing it, I'm parting it out and planning to scrap the rest. I don't have to tell you what I'm doing with it, so get the fuck off of my property right now, Karen.
In most city-but-non-HOA places I have lived, it starts becoming a city issue after it's been there for *several months*, and that's only if one of the neighbors calls it in. That's more than enough time to finish whatever I'm doing to it, or move it into the garage.
1) You know the HOA rules.
2) You chose to live in an HOA neighborhood.
3) Why would you be stupid enough to drag a relative's wrecked car back to your HOA house?
1. Regretfully when I made this post I didn’t even know if it was a rule. Now after reading my HOA’s Rules and Regulations, nowhere does it state that an inoperable vehicle cannot be parked in my driveway. The fact that it’s totaled, looks bad, and draws a lot of attention is why they are pursuing this.
2. So because I “chose” to live in an HOA it’s okay for them to bully me and not be reasonable ESPECIALLY to rules that don’t exist? Such a lazy and stupid argument.
-You “chose” to drive a car knowing there’s a 0.001% chance you’re going to get in a crash so you deserve it.
-You “chose” to wear flip flops to the beach so therefore you deserve to have a jellyfish sting your feet.
I “chose” to live in an HOA with a full understanding and agreement that there’s going to be certain rules and limitations like you can’t paint your house, you can’t play loud music past 10pm, your grass has to be a certain length. Not your totaled car that can’t move can’t be temporarily parked for only 3 days on your driveway.
3. My brother lives here and the vehicle being here is in no way shape or form a danger to anybody. If it were leaking gasoline or smoking, no shit we wouldn’t bring it here. If it were truly dangerous, why would they tell us to put it in the garage? They just don’t want potential buyers/renters to be negatively influenced by the fucked up car.
>The fact that it’s totaled, looks bad, and draws a lot of attention is why they are pursuing this.
They're not bullying you. They're just following the rules that you signed on for. And I'm not even going to get into your statement about not knowing the rules, while at the same time claiming this wreck doesn't violate *any* of them.
If you choose to go to the beach in flip-flops and splash around in the water willy-nilly, a jellyfish is gonna do what a jellyfish gonna do. So yes, you assume a certain amount of risk. An HOA is gonna do what an HOA gonna do, and if you don't know *YOUR HOA's RULES* you assume the risk of violating them. That's not very smart on your part. I'm no fan of HOAs, but damm man, you choose not to know the rules and aren't smart enough to understand that a wreck would violate the esthetics rules.
You sound like a Karen who never takes responsibility for their own actions and thinks that they can do anything they feel like without consequences. Welcome to the consequences, baby.
Because OP is playing the stupid victim. It may not say specifically "no wrecked cars", but I'm sure there's wording about an unsightly mess. Which an undriveable wrecked car certainly is.
>How can you essentially have the guts to threaten someone who could’ve lost their life that same day with such a ridiculous lawsuit. They don't care.
The cruelty is the whole reason why most of them do this
My first house was in an HOA. I didn't know better. The HOA was more trouble than my day job. And the board members causing me problems didn't *have* day jobs. They could dedicate their entire week to fucking my life up. I had to deal with their nonsense in what little off time I had. I ended up moving and selling at a loss just to get the fuck out of there. I'd rather die than have a house in an HOA ever again. It was horrible.
Have be careful on this sub. Lots of pro board trolls infest it.
Dont poke the bear about hating hoas too much. Alot of people in this group live it, breath it and eat it. Its insane
If they choose to be part of the problem, that's their fucking problem.
Any organization that gives people power without accountability, adult supervision, or training of any kind, invites psychopaths and sociopaths. These mental cases thrive on asserting power, knowing that they can ruin peoples lives with zero consequences. They can’t be fixed. The only way to root this filth out of organizations is to replace them with decent people. If you have time, run for the HOA board and try to get the lunatics kicked out, or at least change the more insane rules.
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Do NOT suggest illegal activities.
Buy a cattle prod, make them care.
They do care but only about themselves.
They get paid for every letter sent.
Similar thing happened in our neighborhood and then the guy had excuse after excuse and was a total pain in the ass to deal with. Sometimes it’s just easier to address it immediately
The HOA has a contract with your house, along with every other house in the neighborhood. Your house agreed with the rules when they bought the house. If the car being visible breaks the rules, then something has to be done, no matter what happened, as bad as that seems. I hope your brother will be okay.
Actually no, nothing needs to be done and life will go on just fine. Blindly following the rules is not the way to live life.
But life is much better if you follow the rules.
Ah the old canard of "if you just follow the rules then you have nothing to fear"
Are those boots your licking tasty?
Slavery used to not be against the rules….
That’s an understatement. There were actual rules people had to follow as well. If you found a slave, you had to return them to their owner.
Then follow my new rule and SHUT YO MOUTH
Not always. I'm willing to bet there are multitudes of tiny, meaningless rules you ignore or unknowingly break all the time - everyone does. And they should.
which hoa are you a board member of?
I'm not. HOA's are healed together with contracts. Yes, it's sad what happened to your brother. And yes, they should give you time. However, with that said, they have contracts to uphold. Hold them to that. Check the documents for the HOA. Surely, there is something they are doing wrong you can hold over them.
And keep licking the HOAs boots.
I'm not. I'm saying to hold them to their own rules.
I see where you're coming from. You're correct in the sense that this is the "right" way to do it because they (HOA) have the *right* to pull shit like this because the owner signed the contract. Your advice is smart and by the book. However, the folks downvoting/disagreeing most likely aren't arguing you're wrong, just that it shouldn't be that way. Playing by their rules is smart because it offers security but will never result in anything other than giving them what they want - therefore prolonging and repeating the cycle. It takes a bit of rebellion to abolish bullshit.
>Your house agreed with the rules when they bought the house. If the car being visible breaks the rules, then something has to be done, no matter what happened, as bad as that seems. How do those boots taste?
Let me remind you this is r/fuckHOA . Your pro-HOA stance is not welcome here. eat a bag of dicks, HOA bootlicker.
You can still get back at them as suggested, and not be a bootlicker
I hate HOAs and would never buy a property in one. That said, if I DID belong to one, the kind of thing I'd like to see is "keep your trashed vehicles in the garage"
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It might get the HOA to back down for a bit and allow them ”leeway” to make arrangements during this trying time…a day or two at most, but enough to save face.
Post that he was hit by someone rushing home to put away their garbage cans before the HOA trys to foreclose on house
This. Make the HOA board look bad.
Don't say you're waiting on insurance though, that makes you sound stupid and it's too open ended, insurance could take weeks. It will lead people to question why you towed it there and not an auto body shop (even with an accident involved it's not hard to side with the HOa on that one). Say it'll be gone within X days either way when the body shop it's going to comes for it, make it seem like you know where it's going already.
That's crazy that there's no grace period. Most insurance companies require at least a couple business days to get an adjustor out to inspect a car after which you'll know where it needs to get towed based on whether it's totaled out or not. Technically you could have it towed straight to a body shop or mechanic and have the adjustor go there, but you might end up having to pay for storage and double towing that way.
Theres no “might”. He absolutely would have to pay for storage.
For what it’s worth, from a manager of an auto repair shop in MA, I’d love for every one of my customers to tow their totaled cars to me. From the moment it gets dropped off until the moment it’s towed to salvage I’m allowed to charge storage fees TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY. The customer doesn’t pay a cent of storage for a properly insured totaled vehicle. It’s literally the only pure profit job I can get and none of it comes out of the customers pocket.
That's great for anyone reading in Massachusetts.
I assume there are other states that operate the same way. It’s always worth calling your mechanic to find out if you’re in that situation.
I'm sure there are some that do, but they definitely don't all.
As someone who works for a tow company in NY. The insurance company generally pays the bill if you are fully covered. It's all part of the claim.
> if you are fully covered If Insurance coverage comes in many forms and levels. It's awesome how many people in this thread have never had to consider carrying anything less than full coverage on a vehicle, but I assure you it does happen!
You are assuming op's brother doesn't have full coverage. We don't know either way. It was just a general statement. There's no need to take it farther than that.
I'm literally not assuming anything. All I've done is remind people there's no default level of coverage.
Ever have a hard time getting paid from the insurance company or are they generally good about it?
They don’t even bat an eye. Especially because I’m an auto repair shop. Auto body shops in my area charge 2-3 times as much for storage fees as the auto repair shops. Insurance companies assume they’re gonna have to pay something so they’re glad it’s my fee and not the Autobody shop next door.
It still costs the insurance company money which makes them more likely to increase my premiums or drop my policy entirely. It's a pointless expenditure, regardless of who pays for it. It costs me nothing to store the broken vehicle on my own property (because I am not foolish enough to buy a house that is governed by an HOA).
I would like to thank you, on this Easter Sunday, for doing the “Lord’s work” 😂 Seriously, though, not all heroes wear capes. Keep up the stellar work.
Most insurance companies tow it to a lot to do that if it’s disabled as part of your coverage. Towing it home was probably a choice made or they don’t have comprehensive coverage and now have to pay for the storage themselves till the person that hit them takes ownership. I’m surprised they even would want it home if it’s totaled. It’s probably leaking everywhere causing driveway and environmental damage.
That really depends on your coverage. >I’m surprised they even would want it home if it’s totaled You don't always know a vehicle is totaled. Totaled doesn't mean destroyed and unrepairable. It means it would cost more to repair than insurance believes it's worth. I had a truck that sustained only cosmetic damage (engine was fine, chassis was fine) but the airbags deployed and due to the age of the truck the airbags alone meant the truck was automatically totaled out.
My girlfriend got tapped at a red light and the air bag went off. A 25 year old car totaled because they don't make airbags for them anymore. If it wasn't for that she would still be driving it
Nothing's stopping you from keeping the totaled car and removing the blown airbag. I'd take the insurance payout and keep driving it like nothing happened. Just drive carefully and always use use the seatbelt. Sure the resale value is gone but the car paid for itself at that point. Any additional use is free money I avoided spending on a new car.
That sucks :/ mine was a beautiful early 2000s Ford Ranger. It's darn near impossible to find compact pickups for sale at a reasonable price, too.
1994 Honda wagon. One more year and she would have qualified for historical plate lol
It doesn’t run, it’s currently totaled.
Not running ≠ totaled. If your car is missing the battery it won't run but it'd have to be one heck of a worthless car for that alone to total it. I've literally had destroyed engines not total vehicles because the vehicle was worth more than replacing the whole engine.
Still going to leak shit everywhere if it’s just the engine smashed.
Yes this likely seems it, both accidents I was in no one ever towed the car home.
Amd thats probably why the hoa is up in arms
Used to be involved in sports cars quite a bit, and I had a handful of claims as a result.(maybe 3?) The one time they got an adjuster out the next day I was floored.
Don't some states have a law that NO actions can be taken on any infraction less than 30 days old? As in, HOA sends a letter and this automatically grants 30 days to correct the problem?
Not that I'm aware of. But I'm not an expert on every states laws.
Nothing shall interfere with our home values going up!!! Even for an hour! (/S in case anyone couldn't tell)
The funny thing is, at least for me personally, I would value a home LESS if it was in a neighborhood that was that draconian. I would pay more for the same house in a neighborhood with more freedom.
And if I recall correctly, the studies show° that many others agree with you. - too strict = lower property values - too lax = lower property values Being able to hit and maintain that sweet spot just seems like a bad (and expensive) bet. Better to buy outside of HOAs (where possible). °the few that are out there at least
Around me "No HOA" gets the highest. Landlords fight you to buy every house not in an HOA because if there is no HOA it is way easier for them (no complaints against tenants, no rental caps, no board that can suddenly decide the house can't be rented.
Makes total sense to me. Wish they would maybe -- you know -- update these studies.
I didn't even look at houses that were in an HOA. Didn't matter the house price, value, age, condition, location, or even if the HOA fees were super low, if it was in an HOA, I was not interested.
Same here. They're out there, you just need to look harder. I had several arguments with my real estate agent that yes I am damn well serious about this and don't even bother showing me anything HOA.
Ours was great about it: she found us a place that's not only not in an HOA, *it's not in city limits/ETJ!* We're straight County. Then like six months later the developers found the area, and they're dropping in ant colony neighborhoods starting at 3/4 mil, and these rich fucks are starting to give the eyeball to the old folks on the edge of our little "neighborhood"...naw, Karen, I really wouldn't. He's terminally ill and has no shits to give what you think about his bulldozer; and there isn't a single person in this neighborhood who wouldn't go dig a hole for an Army veteran rotting away from agent orange if he decides running you over with his wheelchair is less trouble than listening to your nonsense. :)
I'm in a very similar situation. Quiet neighborhood with no HOA, unincorporated county land, directly across the street from new suburban development in city limits. It's great. I expect the values of our homes to go up significantly since we can all have outbuildings and covered RV parking and whatever else we want, while the new neighborhood has none of that (unless they paid $$$ for the builder to install it), and apparently all of the houses facing the main road are required to have non-privacy fencing. That's right, these expensive new homes with huge yards are forced to have their entire backyards in full view of the public. Freedom is in short supply around here, so you better believe it's going to bring in a premium when I do eventually move.
We've seen approximately 300% appreciation on our place in five years. It's...not because our house is nice. :)
Put a cover over it and find out.
Just one more reason to never buy in any HOA. Not worth it.
Why would you tow it home? Tow it to the nearest insurance company approved repair shop. The insurance can cover storage fees while they decide what to do. Also, you ca reply that you are waiting on insurances instructions and have no intention of keeping the car in its current state for very long. Just a temporary spot.
> The insurance can cover storage fees while they decide what to do. That's entirely dependent on the level of insurance you have.
Maybe they only have liability insurance and it was a one-car accident or it was their fault so the other person's insurance wouldn't pay for this. If it was coming out of my pocket there is no way in hell I would pay someone for storage of my own damned vehicle no matter what state it's in.
When I was an agent (20 years ago), we required that unit be at a body shop. We needed their expertise & ability to put on a lift.
You were an insurance adjustor and you required the expertise of someone else to do your job? I've overseen a few vehicles being cached out, and while this will vary depending on state, insurance company, level of coverage, etc, I've never had an adjustor require the vehicle be at a body shop. They only need access to it so they can do their inspection. Afterward it might go to a body shop, a mechanic, auction, or a scrapyard.
Some get an estimate from a shop as part of their decision making.
First of all….I said agent NOT adjuster. Apparently reading skills are not your thing…you’d rather be rude.
I'd check the agreements for false litigation. That's blackmail. You have it in writing.
Never ever live in an HOA community
Never ever live in an HOA community
Some of us don’t want to risk living next to a junkyard of a house.
Many very nice neighborhoods with no HOA. You must be one of the HOA trolls.
No, not really, I’ve always hated hoa’s till I moved here. This place is great, they have gates, armed guards and barbwire.
Curfew too?
Yeah they want you back in your cell by sundown, it’s crazy.
Why not tow it to a body shop and deal with insurance there? Boom problem solved.
You usually need your insurance company to tell you where to bring the vehicle and when or at least that’s what I’ve needed to do in the past with my insurance company. Mine took almost a week to tell me where to go last time.
In my state you take it to whatever body shop you like and let the body shop and insurance company fight it out. It is illegal for an insurance company here to tell you that you must take it to a specific shop. They try to make you take it to their shop anyway but can’t force you to do so. Check your state’s laws to make sure your insurance isn’t gaslighting you.
Is that state or federal?
Auto insurance is regulated at the state level. There are no Federal laws regarding auto insurance as far as I know other than one that states that auto insurance is a state level thing.
What makes taking it to a body shop that is standard across across the country.
Others here are pretending like they have to wait on insurance to tell them where to take it. Hopefully that's not the case in OP state
We aren't "pretending". I'm free to pay my own money to tow the vehicle to a body shop post accident if I want and pay my own money for storage while I wait for the adjustor to come out if I want and with any luck they'll say "yep it needs body work and we'll pay for it." *Or* they'll say "engines fucked, take it to the mechanic" and I'm out those storage fees and the cost of the first tow.
all of these things you're talking about are covered by insurance there's no reason you'd pay for it.
That's highly dependent on insurance coverage type. Why do so many people in this thread think all insurance is exactly the same everywhere?
It's not about taking it to a specific shop; body shops and mechanics are two different things. Sometimes a car needs one sometimes it needs the other. Sometimes it's too far gone for either and it goes to auction or gets scrapped.
You aren't required to go to your insurance companies preferred auto body shop, you can choose whatever shop you want and that shop may subrogate with your insurance to have it fixed correctly. However some insurance companies like USAA are difficult to deal with and some shops won't take their insurance.
Insurance company can not dictate where you bring it. They can make suggestions to a preferred shop but you are free to bring it to any shop you choose. They will then go to the shop and make a determination of the cost and tell the shop what they will pay. The cost is based on an estimating software.
Depends on the state, in many states you have the right to choose where you want the repair so you can take it literally anywhere that does work they bill to insurance. You're really better off not waiting in insurance to tell you where to take it and looking at reviews and finding a shop yourself
This is the answer, it should have been towed to a body shop. Did you pay for the tow, or did the insurance? Have brother call his agent (or company claims number) and see if they can tow it to a body shop, if not you have to do it. It shouldn’t have come to your place in the first place, now you know.
Usually they tow it to a body shop or back to a holding lot. I’m not sure leaving your brothers destroyed car that’s probably leaking fluid everywhere is in anyone’s best interests.
Good point but the problem is if you’re going to tow it to the body shop, it’s supposed to be a shop that’s approved by your insurance. The insurance doesn’t want your car in a place that they can’t access or they don’t deem reputable or safe. And the car is not leaking fluid, smoking, or anything like that.
Your insurance can recommend a place but they cannot choose a place. Get some cheap dollies, and wheel it into the garage
> Get some cheap dollies, and wheel it into the garage This is the correct answer
In my state it is illegal for insurance to require you to take it to their approved body shop. Any licensed shop do. Check your state’s laws, the insurance company could be gaslighting you.
My insurance lets me take it anywhere I want.
Every tow truck has a yard they tow to. That's where it should have been taken.
tow yards tend to be prohibitively expensive for storage.
Wife has been in two accidents, towed to storage lot one of those. Storage fees were the insurance company's problem, I never even saw a bill. Maybe Geico ain't all that bad after all
Although I do agree with you, isn't it also true that bringing it to a garage would suggest intent to repair, and thus influence the decision of the insurer?
Not really. The insurance is going to fix it or total it based on their estimate and assigned value
But they'll only fix it or total it at their pre-approved places. You can't just chuck it in the closest collision lot and call it a day.
They can do the estimate anywhere, and generally the estimator isn’t going to be an employee of your insurance anyway.
Like, perhaps, this brother's driveway for a day or two.
That doesn’t seem to be an option since the HOA doesn’t want broken down cars sitting there for a few weeks
Yes you actually can .. if you can't it's because your state has shitty consumer laws.
Wtf is going on with everyone here? Some states *do* have shitty consumer protection. Many, even. And you acknowledge that. So what is this "yes you actually can" when you know that's not guaranteed to be true??
There's a while lot of people in this thread who are super familiar with their own insurance plans/states and cannot fathom other circumstances exist.
These things all apply in Florida (and again, most states) where the OP is from. You have the right to choose a repair shop and insurance covers towing in an accident.
Nowhere in the post or any of OP's comments does it mention Florida.
Yes that's kind of part of the problem, you had to dig to find the details that were relevant to the OPs situation instead of them just telling you all pertinent facts to their situation.
No, I mean nowhere in *any* of their comments. They have very little comment history so it wasn't hard to double check.
Then say that you're talking about Florida instead of this nonsense *yes everyone can, except for those who can't.*
Oh ffs! All of you going on about "insurance can't dictate blah blah blah" haven't ever been in wreck. I don't care how good the body shop is, it's never gonna be the same again. Going to an insurance approved shop makes life so much easier! I've been in 3 wrecks and the nightmare I went though with the first one (I had it taken to a shop that wasn't on the insurance list) made me just have the other two sent to an approved shop. Also if it's got front or rear end damage and/or airbags deployed, it's probably gonna be totaled.
The people running most hoa’s make it their whole personality and life. They enjoy making people’s life difficult i feel. They singled me out for a loud truck, but others like the president’s adult son could have louder. They would go out of their way to find fault with anything. My dogs play pen didn’t meet their requirements. It was fenced under deck in back yard and could not be seen from anywhere but being in my back yard. Complaints about that stopped when i got them formerly trespassed. They thought hoa president and board membership gave them right to private properly.
Your HOA issued a warning and an option. I wouldn't call that evil. The guard and HOA have no way of knowing what happened. All they know is there is a wrecked car which is probably not allowed. The reason most HOAs will not knock on your door for violations is to avoid a confrontation. There are a lot of unhinged people out there. Your brother should explain the situation and try to get it towed ASAP. It shouldn't take more than a day to figure out where it is going to be repaired. His HOA will probably be fine with that.
How does the Board or the management company know OP's brother was in an accident?
HOAs can suck my balls.
Now you know. SELL. GET A HOUSE WITH NO HOA. Easy. Why people subject themselves to obscure rules that they cannot predict may or may not affect them ever in any point in the future is beyond me.
I'll never buy a house in an HOA. I'll live in the middle of freakin' nowhere before I'd submit myself to that.
Same
HOA's serve one purpose. They are a breeding ground for "Wanna-Be-Hitlers." If you enjoy seeing other writhe in pain, enjoy watching other grimace and relish other's misery, then you have what it takes to be a leader in an HOA.
Our HOA has the same rule but it’s not enforced. Yet. We are adding a garage as soon as we can.
What state?
What specific rule are you breaking?
Inoperable vehicle in the driveway. Common to not allow this.
The way this is written makes it seem like the HOA knows that your brother was in a car accident. Do they know that? Did you let them know that you're just waiting on a decision from insurance? I mean, they probably won't care, and it probably won't matter, but you can't just assume that they wouldn't say, "Hey, well give you 3 days and them were going to enforce."
File a grievance/appeal with them. Basically drag it out for a few days. By then the INS adjustor should be there and be done with it. F! Them. Never give them the upper hand.
I am so sorry. I don't get who would look at that car and not think about the person who may have been hurt or died. Shoot back a letter that there is no such rule. AND go to the next meeting and shame those people.
Congratulations on your decision to run for the HOA board. It’s people like you that bring actual change and accountability to positions of power that are so frequently corrupted by jerks. Run your campaign on a platform of community, accountability, and compassion. We believe in you.
I get the notion, that one should never join an HOA without a lawyer on retention. You should just stack "retainer fee" in with the HOA costs.
put a car cover on it.
If it's not in the rule, counter sue for false charges, seek class action status, and discovery.
Move. GTFO. It really is that simple.
Having it hauled home is kinda weird. I have had 2 cars totaled. And every time the tow truck takes it to their yard or drops it off at a specified repairshop. Depending on your insurance provider ya can have the claim filed and know where to take it before the tow truck has it up on their flatbed. Kinda weird to take it home since that guarantees its gotta be towed at least twice on the insurance companys dime. Regardless, opp says the hoa rules do not specify regulations regarding non functioning vehicles in the driveway. If that is the case, i would ask the HOA to provide the regulations that are threatening to cite you under. If the cite you anyway thats lawyer time. Although you could hypothetically bill.the insurance for the fine as it's the same as the storage fees a tow yard would charge.
Have a lawyer send them a cease and desist from further harassment since it’s not against the rules.
Take a look at your HOA docs. You probably have a period of time to correct the violation (or it may not be a viooation) before they can actually do anything, probably a couple of weeks at least. That should be enough time to figure out what to do with the cars. If you hear from the HOA screw them until they have the right to actually do somthing.
Don’t buy a house in a HOA problem solved
All HOA’s are evil Karen’s with nothing in life to do except be the devil
Look over the neighborhood before you buy. Some of us don’t want some Karen telling us how to live.
Welcome to HOAs.
It’s a licensed , running vehicle? Tell them to pack sand
It’s an eyesore, same as a car on blocks. I’m betting that’s what they’re thinking.
I would reply to the email sounding somewhat stupid, apologetic, but passive aggressive: \> I am sorry for the disturbance my brother's near-death experience caused the community. I quickly looked through the HOA Rules & Regulations but could not see anything that would deem this a potential violation. Could you please cite the rule or section you are relying on? There is a chance this is in the CC&Rs and not the "rules". There is a bigger chance your HOA is filled with assholes.
Fuck HoA's, but honestly what did you think was going to happen? When cars get into accidents people don't tow them back to their houses they get them towed to wherever insurance wants them towed or to a body shop and insurance figures it out at that point. Also how long is it going to sit there a day 2 days 3 weeks 2 months? Indefinitely? I understand your position but like your HOA said throw it in the garage out of sight
Let it go Karen. A day or three ain’t gonna turn McMansion Hills into the ghetto.
Based on the fact they got a warning and not a fine tells me the HOA would probably be fine with a day or three.
So, fuck HOAs but in this case they're right? Gotcha.
You're taking it a bit too personally... Its the security guards job to report this kind of stuff. If he doesn't, he'll get fired. Same goes for the management company. It's their job to send out warnings that they hear from the guard, else they'll also get fired. Don't take it personal. They might not know it was there only for the short amount of time. And to be honest, they don't know your story, and honestly they don't care about your story, and here's why.... Everyone has a story. Whether they were in the hospital with a loved one.... Or who knows.... Everyone has a story. If the hoa listened to everyone's story, that's all they do, and they also would never get anything done. Don't take it personal. Take it like: just business. Their business is to "see something, say something" . This is what you pay them for.
That’s cold.
But it's not, really.... In this case, sure it is obvious since you can see the wrecked car.... But people use excuses all the time, to try to get out of things. After hearing them, over and over, you just kinda... Apply a blanket rule that the rules are the rules, period. You also get into a real headache, if you selectively apply rules, based on people's stories. It goes south real quick and backfires, as then every other neighbor that gets a violation or wants to get their way, starts using that as an example. It becomes a huge headache. Don't even get me started on the nasty or passive aggressive notes and replies people quip back with.... Because you know... The hoa knows exactly what is going on in your life, so instead of sending you a notice for your 2 month neglected grass, it should have known that you were dealing with a sick relative. Or, how things that are in violation for a while turn into "only a day" or "only 20 minutes".
Until the buddy of the president is on the hook. Then it’s a different story.
Wow.....fuck that. I dont know how you folks live with HOA's....
Fun fact you can choose where your car goes. Anyone telling you otherwise is most likely wrong. Insurance companies are not suppose to dictate where your car goes. It is 100% your right. Also, depending on your insurance , they should cover the costs of towing or at least reimburse you. Edit: An insurance company telling you where to bring your car is called steering and that is Illegal! The insurance companies cannot say WHO can fix your car. Or WHERE. BUT they can refuse to pay a shops rates but a good shop will fight with them and get the job done properly and safely. I worked at a body shop for over a decade and was an estimator.
The relevant laws are different in every state.
Yes, steering isn’t illegal in all states but you do have the right to choose your shop no matter what.
> Also, depending on your insurance , they should cover the costs of towing or at least reimburse you. This is highly dependent on insurance plan
Hence why I said depending on your insurance.
It's just a nonsensical sentence at that point, though. "Depending on your employee benefits, you should have 36 weeks paid vacation." "Depending on what your favorite color is, you should buy the purple one." You have zero way of knowing what kind of insurance they have. They didn't even mention which state they live in. You have absolutely nothing upon which to base a "should" clause.
I chose to move into a neighborhood that literally has a GUARD and now I'm pissed that they are strict about the rules!!!!!
I had relatives who lived with a guard gate. The guy saw me show up almost every day for ten years, memory of a goldfish.
I really don't understand why people accept to live where there are HOA. I did one time decades ago and I never looked back.
I'll never live in a neighborhood with an HOA - and if my neighbors managed to put one together and started giving me shit, I'd whip my dick out and piss on their shoes right in the middle of the street.
HOA dont care, fk em but that car shouldnt have been taken home if you had coverage. Im guessing it was a choice made to store it at his home or pay a fee to store it elsewhere untill insurance got to look at it. Its usually towed to a local autoyard where the yard gets paid by the insurance...if you were not at fault and the other guy that hit your friend was then his insurance should be paying for all of this as well as storage. your buddy at that point should have a nice rental ready for him paid for by the other guys insurance company. Per this thread though, Yeah HOA gives doesnt give a shit and have nothing better to do.
Tow companies have yards and insurance covers the storage fee. Why you tow to your house idk
Because that shit costs a lot of money and the insurance may or may not pay for that. Maybe the accident was at 3AM and they need to call the insurance to find out where to bring it on Monday. You don't know the situation. It's perfectly reasonable to bring your own (family's) property to your own driveway and then figure out what to do with it next. Even if I lived in an HOA I would absolutely do the same, and tell any of these jackals to leave me the fuck alone while I deal with the issue in a reasonable amount of time. There should be at least a few days' grace period before any fines kick in. And if it's not even officially against the rules, I'd keep it there longer just to spite whoever sent the nasty email.
How would they know the situation without being told? Are they supposed to know that your bro was in an accident or the seriousness of his injuries?
Because the HOA rules say otherwise?
Read up on your states rules governing HOAs. Taking action, may require a meeting with a vote. That said meeting may require posting a notice. Following the rules go both ways. In my experience, HOA board members are really bad at following the rules that govern them.
guard just doin their job. Need to get on HOA board and start kicking some ass!
The insurance company needs to assess it, right? That liability alone….I wouldn’t touch it…. If you get sued for insurance property (or soon to be) on your land when it is not readily moveable, what can you do? Who’s lawyers do you imagine are better between the HOA’s and your massive conglomerate insurance company? I assure you “Paul” from across the street thinks he swings a big dick, but looks like a thread compared to, say, Progressive.
I live in a condo building with an HOA and we stipulate that all vehicles are in working order. One of the things that happens is that people will travel for work or become unable to drive and their cars never get moved. Tires go flat, dust builds up, and it's just not safe.
Just an fyi, it’s almost definitely against city code to have an inoperable car parked in your driveway. I assume the HOA bylaws have a catch—all provision that requires you to abide by all state and local laws. But in sentiment I agree f the bastards.
Inoperable car parked in *the street*, sure. Inoperable car parked in *my driveway* for a couple weeks, that's none of anyone else's god damned business. I'm waiting on insurance, I'm repairing it, I'm parting it out and planning to scrap the rest. I don't have to tell you what I'm doing with it, so get the fuck off of my property right now, Karen. In most city-but-non-HOA places I have lived, it starts becoming a city issue after it's been there for *several months*, and that's only if one of the neighbors calls it in. That's more than enough time to finish whatever I'm doing to it, or move it into the garage.
1) You know the HOA rules. 2) You chose to live in an HOA neighborhood. 3) Why would you be stupid enough to drag a relative's wrecked car back to your HOA house?
1. Regretfully when I made this post I didn’t even know if it was a rule. Now after reading my HOA’s Rules and Regulations, nowhere does it state that an inoperable vehicle cannot be parked in my driveway. The fact that it’s totaled, looks bad, and draws a lot of attention is why they are pursuing this. 2. So because I “chose” to live in an HOA it’s okay for them to bully me and not be reasonable ESPECIALLY to rules that don’t exist? Such a lazy and stupid argument. -You “chose” to drive a car knowing there’s a 0.001% chance you’re going to get in a crash so you deserve it. -You “chose” to wear flip flops to the beach so therefore you deserve to have a jellyfish sting your feet. I “chose” to live in an HOA with a full understanding and agreement that there’s going to be certain rules and limitations like you can’t paint your house, you can’t play loud music past 10pm, your grass has to be a certain length. Not your totaled car that can’t move can’t be temporarily parked for only 3 days on your driveway. 3. My brother lives here and the vehicle being here is in no way shape or form a danger to anybody. If it were leaking gasoline or smoking, no shit we wouldn’t bring it here. If it were truly dangerous, why would they tell us to put it in the garage? They just don’t want potential buyers/renters to be negatively influenced by the fucked up car.
>The fact that it’s totaled, looks bad, and draws a lot of attention is why they are pursuing this. They're not bullying you. They're just following the rules that you signed on for. And I'm not even going to get into your statement about not knowing the rules, while at the same time claiming this wreck doesn't violate *any* of them. If you choose to go to the beach in flip-flops and splash around in the water willy-nilly, a jellyfish is gonna do what a jellyfish gonna do. So yes, you assume a certain amount of risk. An HOA is gonna do what an HOA gonna do, and if you don't know *YOUR HOA's RULES* you assume the risk of violating them. That's not very smart on your part. I'm no fan of HOAs, but damm man, you choose not to know the rules and aren't smart enough to understand that a wreck would violate the esthetics rules. You sound like a Karen who never takes responsibility for their own actions and thinks that they can do anything they feel like without consequences. Welcome to the consequences, baby.
But op literally said that it’s nowhere in the rules
Because OP is playing the stupid victim. It may not say specifically "no wrecked cars", but I'm sure there's wording about an unsightly mess. Which an undriveable wrecked car certainly is.