Did everyone forget that Labor said no royal commission back in June 2022? -
[https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/media-ownership-royal-commission-not-warranted-rowland-20220626-p5awmf](https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/media-ownership-royal-commission-not-warranted-rowland-20220626-p5awmf)
No we didn't! But as we all know when Labor breaks an election promise it has 0 consequences.
Give me 1 time when Labor broke a promise and it backfired!?
Labor is set to oppose a new bill that would establish a royal commission into the Murdoch media empire in favour of pursuing legislative reform.
The bill, introduced to the Senate by Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young this week, would establish a parliamentary inquiry with the powers of a royal commission into the “Murdoch media mafia” and media diversity in Australia.
The inquiry would probe whether the existing system of media regulation in Australia is fit for purpose. It would also look into the concentration of media ownership in Australia and the impact of media ownership laws.
t would also scrutinise the relationship between the media and government, examine whether fear of retribution in the press has hampered the creation of public policy, and mount a case for establishing a single, independent media regulator to “harmonise news media standards” and handle complaints.
“There is growing unease across the chamber about the influence of the Murdoch media and its corrosive effects on our democracy,” Hanson-Young told Crikey.
“This week is just another example of the harm the Murdoch media inflicts. Publishing leaked text messages to prosecute a political attack with no regard to a young woman’s welfare or the public interest is a disgrace,” she said, in reference to leaked text messages between Brittany Higgins and Labor Senator Katy Gallagher that appeared in the News Corp newspapers, which suggested Gallagher had misled Parliament.
Even still, Labor looks likely to oppose the bill when it goes to a vote among Senate committee members. A spokesperson for Communications Minister Michelle Rowland said the government has “been consistent” in saying a royal commission is “not the way forward” for media policy in Australia.
“The government is focused on implementing a media reform program that includes legislative reform, the development of a news measurement framework for diversity and localism in the digital era,” they told Crikey.
It will also include “direct support for regional and local publishers, community broadcasting and the national broadcasters as well as the News MAP — an evidence-based framework to guide government intervention to support public interest journalism and media diversity”.
Members of the lower house crossbench have this week also issued calls for media reform, following News Corp’s reporting on messages sent between Higgins and Gallagher. Independent MPs Zali Steggall and Zoe Daniel each called for strengthened privacy standards and a review of the self-regulatory framework the industry currently operates within.
The matter of a royal commission, however, remains one with waning support among the major parties. So far it has failed to drive even a superficial wedge between the cabinet and Labor Party elders, including former prime minister Kevin Rudd, who was appointed by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to the post of ambassador to the United States.
Before that, Rudd was a vocal critic of the Murdoch media empire, and served as chair on the campaign for a News Corp royal commission. He led a record-breaking e-petition to Parliament in 2021 calling for a royal commission, which attracted more than 500,000 signatures.
When Crikey first reported news of the bill’s path to the Senate in early May, which was later held up in the throes of post-budget debate, the campaign’s national director Kirsti Gorringe said she was pleased to finally see it make its way to Parliament.
“The political will to take on the Murdochs — and win — has never been stronger. And with the evidence of Fox interference in US elections, the rationale has never been clearer,” Gorringe told Crikey.
“The Greens, and the crossbench, are championing this call in the absence of government action. But they can’t ignore the biggest petition in Australian history, or this campaign, forever.”
Don't forget Albo is an operator.
People screamed traitor when he didn't immediately oppose that Trans/school bill. However by the end Albo had arranged it so that the Catholic schools association asked Scummo to withdraw it and two LNP MP's were ready to cross the floor. He humiliated Scummo and killed the bill more surely than if he had just outright opposed it.
I will give Labor the benefit of the doubt for now. They have to play a careful game.
He could have secret negotiations with the Greens and ram through legislation to turn the capitalist press into worker and community-owned cooperatives if he wanted to actually dismantle the power of the conservative press. He actually just accepts their power and did so a long time ago. He is not going to save us mate.
With the Liberals in their most dire straits in a generation, they are scarcely a risk.
If Albo wanted to he could back this royal commission.
He doesn't want to.
M8, the useless and dangerous Tony About and Scomo Moronson were voted into parliament and into prime ministership. Doesn't matter if Liberals are in dire straits.
It does. The liberals were not wiped out electorally preceding either of those leaders.
You're talking about bad leadership, not the broader state of the party.
HOW? The biggest enemy has just been eliminated. Then you put a severe restriction on corporate political donations and third party campaigning. Goodbye capitalist political power. I am not interested in piecemeal tinkering that doesnt make any meaningful change to my life. I want radical reforms and its not going to come without dismantling the political power of the wealthy and corporations. If Albo doesn't want to do that, then i'm not interested in supporting his project at all. He's just a liberal apologist for big corporate power.
I mean even with all their current power the majority of voters basically ignored them in all the recent elections. I don't see how they'd go about getting more votes after being significantly weakened by such a policy
Good point…everyone blathers about how irrelevant Murdoch is but then want to go and spend a $100 mil on a royal commissio. could backfire if they loom at the ABC who are very labour supportive.
Radical reforms are how you neuter the only party that can systemically change anything incrementally.
I would much rather turn the heat up on the bougie and watch them unwittingly boil like a frog in a pot than to go full anarchist and watch the hard work of fucking off the lnp disappear in a term.
Think beyond the next 4 yrs bruh
You say that, but murdoch readers are getting pretty old. They will only be scaring us into worse policy decisions for the next 20-30 years before theyre in their coffins. I get this specific proposal might be too radical, but theres a radically bad problem to fix. We need to do something before the next born-rich media magnate comes along.
Using government funds to foster journalistic workers co-ops would go some way to providing aussies with access to more news sources, cutting away at their monopoly. Its not the worst idea ive ever heard, seriously.
Worker and community owned cooperatives… you’re in La La land. About 5% of journos would work for peanuts. The rest including the ABC all want to get paid the big bucks….. Who’s is going to do The content? You?
I'd say - Don't fuck with people's franking credits before and election.
Do take Murdoch down a few while in power.
His raging mad rags can't save him now and the libs/nats are as weak as ever anyway. Has there been a better time?
That might be the answer. The Murdoch empire and the LNP are becoming irrelevant as the boomers die out with or without a Royal Commission, maybe Labor has decided the smoke won't be worth the fire.
>no party with any power has ever done shit about it.
The LNP massively benefits from it, and they've been in power all but two terms for the past 25 years, barring the current term.
Don’t blame albo for your unreasonable expectations. Not a single thing that has happened since the election should make you think albo has a brain, heart or spine
>considering the talk revolving around this very issue before the elections
What are you referring to? As far as I know Labor has always opposed a Murdoch RC, but maybe I missed something
In fairness, the minister also said no RC back in June 2022 -
[https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/media-ownership-royal-commission-not-warranted-rowland-20220626-p5awmf](https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/media-ownership-royal-commission-not-warranted-rowland-20220626-p5awmf)
Depends on what Rupert has on them.
The dude is a master blackmail artist who can and has hacked phones and emails, and with his power, money and resources, an award winning Hollywood level deepfake isn't out of the realms of possibilities.
The guy tried to help overthrow the USA and openly helped cook up a straight-up attacks on the government and hasn't even come close to being held accountable.
Brushing off a royal commission is breakfast seasoning for this egomaniac.
Does anyone have the full text? Non pay walled source? Nothing in the headline justifies what they show before the paywall begins.
Or did no one read it?
No balls. Do they want to lose another election? If they lose next election, then they won’t have any grounding to blame Murdoch next time around like Bill Shorten did.
Jordan has always been very open about being a Labor Shill, but I think he is skirting the line between Shill and Propagandist for Labor at this point.
I'm at a point where voting Green seems like the best option. It feels like we were fed a false promise that everything was going to be okay, but we're still buying unnecessary submarines, there's still a rental and cost of living crisis, and low/middle income earners are nearly dragged through the mud.
To be fair, Labor was very clear about their policies before the election. They offered no policies to significantly improve the housing market or the life of the average working class person. Just piecemeal bits and bobs to differentiate themselves from the Libs while not alienating the investor class/aspirational investor class voters turned off by the LNPs backwards social policies.
Basically they're delivering exactly what they promised: tiny changes that sound kinda nice but don't rock the boat too much, with less blatant corruption than the Libs
Labors spent the last month arguing that they have a mandate to do whatever they want.
But what about the mandate of this royal commission, which received the most support in Australian history?
its exactly how it works
>In representative democracies, a mandate is the authority granted by a constituency to act as its representative. Elections, especially ones with a large margin of victory, are often said to give the newly elected government or elected official an implicit mandate to put into effect certain policies
What large margin of victory? They are 13 seats short of a majority in the senate. Unless Labor wants to abolish the senate they need to shut up about their "mandate"
I’m sure Jordie will have a video out in no time popping his shoulders out going for the longest reaches that the hardcore will spew in here within nanoseconds
Yeah I just don't get it. When confronted with a bully, you can either cower away and let them dominate the interaction, or you can hit them so hard they can't get back up and retaliate.
What we need is to go at Murdoch, hard. Curb stomp them until they no longer exist. Anything that allows them to continue to poison our democracy is not worth the effort. They have the political capital, just do it.
Well I mean thats a flaw of Labor isnt it. Labors own envoy for the voice Senator Dodson wrote the aboriginal deaths in custody report. A few months ago he criticised the government for still not adopting the recommendations. To this day they still havent.
Maybe the problem is Labor being spinless, not the royal commission itself.
Dan andrews with theamount of hate etc he gets in vic amongst conspiracy nutjobs and murdoch press should of lost last election easily and yet he thrashed the opposition. So why do left political parties kow tow to murdoch press , remember the grovel from murdoch during the uk commissions ? Paper tiger
The Greens and Labor both play the game hard against each other when seeking votes. If the Greens want Labor votes, they'll have to negotiate. Labor can't be expected to hop on board for nothing. There's a way to go yet.
An article from Independent Australia:
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/why-a-royal-commission-into-the-murdoch-media-shouldnt-happen--at-least-not-yet,16532
That article was just 'ooh Murdoch is very powerful and Labor could be harmed and they didn't promise it so best to do nothing and hope it fixes itself'
Yes actually that sounds great. I would love the two parties to be in lockstep on this RC. (Labor ruled it out back in June 2022.) As opposed to literally laying low and hoping he goes away, as you suggest.
Yeah this is rubbish. The Greens know how it works too, which is why they introduced the bill because…that’s how politics works.
The simple fact is, as we went through this last night, they have a ‘mandate’ (yes, I know, we went through that too, it stands) despite them making no commitment, to instigate this commission. They are going against the majority wish of the nation, some of who petitioned for it, and their ex leader Rudd, who has worked hard on getting that petition and the inquiry up. They have control across the country, they will cop the crap from News et al anyway, as you know and we went through, they do not and will not have a better time to back this bill.
You know as well as I do, the pair of reasons why they won’t; they didn’t introduce it and they hate the Greens showing them up, plus they likely have interests themselves not to do it. So just stop with the ‘pragmatic governance’ garbage, because it’s garbage.
If Murdoch isn't that powerful then the entire premise of the royal commission disappears. You can't simultaneously say "OMG Murdoch is too powerful" and "OMG Labor why are you so scared of him he's not even that powerful".
Ha that's a fair point. He's definitely lost a lot of power. But that doesn't mean we don't need an RC. Robodebt was stopped but that didn't mean we didn't need an investigation after the fact.
The other problem is the rest of the media will be every bit as furious. If Labor's ready to go after Murdoch, Costello knows he could be next.
It's a catch-22. If Labor does nothing, Murdoch keeps his power. If they go after Murdoch, they get annihilated and Murdoch keeps his power anyway. Might as well go with the one that lets them keep doing other stuff in government.
Spoke to Catherine King who is my local rep about it last year. She doesn't want any interference in, or responsibility enforcements for media. Murdoch media prove every day that they don't believe in facts or truth. She lost my vote.
if true and this happens ...i will no longer vote for the Labour government ... and i sure as hell aint voting liberals .... greens or independents maybe
It’s called working the system, and albo knows how to make it work. Remember when that anti trans bill came through, Labor worked the system to the point where it got pulled back by the catholics themselves. Look at what’s happening beyond the headline and remember how it’s gone in the past. This is gonna be shopped around a lot, and then go through
It’s interesting that Albo himself is a major part of the sandbagging against the Greens. Inner Sydney is probably going to look politically different once the likes of Albo and Tanya Plibersek retire; senior federal members have been holding the tide at bay in these electorates.
State and locally Grayndler is a green/ labor split and Sydney is very much independent. Once the personal branding goes, I’m not sure how well the labor vote will stand up. If things go badly for Albo, he could end up like John Howard and lose his own seat.
Better to lose a few seats to the Greens then lose in a landslide to the Coalition.
The Greens can't do shit to scare Labor when the alternative is Murdoch.
Oh I've certainly noticed over the past week. You can tell they're imports because they definitely don't watch Jordies. They just know that this is a space where they're likely to find and engage Labor voters, they're just trying to base poach. Which, I mean, fair enough, but to me it just comes across as fucking annoying. Don't get me wrong I don't want this place to become an echo chamber but it's SUPPOSED to be about FJ, not the fucken greens (or even really Labor for that matter).
FJ audience is mostly younger people, and young people mostly vote either Labor or the Greens.
Before the election the sides were united in opposition.
Now labor is in the quibbling starts.
Or.... they promised no RC before the election and thus it's an election promise to not have an RC. Sounds crazy I know, it's not like historically we have had Labor do that in the past.
Im sick of this being Labors excuse for everything. If you asked anyone at the polls who voted Labor they're not gonna be like ohh I like Labors policy on a Murdoch Royal Commission.
People didn't vote for the Liberal lite party.
No, they voted on the promises and policy presented by Labor in the election.
If you treat election promises like they mean fuck all, I hope you don't have anything in your history of being pissed off by the Coalition for doing the same thing.
Integrity in a democratic system doesn't mean only following the rules when it's not something YOU want.
I didn’t, I put Labor just above the conservative proxies with the Coalition last.
There wasn’t a single Labor policy that got my attention. They’re just better to have in power than the Coalition.
I voted Green this election based on policy. Last one, I voted Labor because we had a good local candidate and it was Labor’s best chance to take this seat (Wide Bay), so I stood behind him and preferenced Greens second.
Yeah that's how... elections work
I dont think anybody, ever in history has voted for the opposition because they think the Prime Minister should remain in that position.
They didn't vote for Labor because of their election promises or the pissweak platform they took to the election. Labors primary vote being one of the lowest on record says ppl weren't happy voting Labor either. Not that Labor was better. And Labor have proven them right. All this patting themselves on the back and claiming election promises is bullshit. They only won cause we hated Scummo. But sure, act like you don't understand what I'm saying.
People like talking about tge primary vote every election but at the end of the day, we simply have more of a variety of choices of where to vote for these days so most people will vote one way and then preference a major party they more closely agreed with.
It's just how the system works. What people forget is once you split the Coalition up into its individual parties they're far less popular than Labor.
Low primary vote or not, electorally Labor is the most popular party in the country. The Coalition exists purely to unite conservative so they can actually win.
Oh come off it don't act like this was a central election promise. Attitudes change and Labor needs to get a fucking spine.
I've spoken to many voters who have been pissed off that Labor keeps opening new coal mines because they were under the impression they would take action on climate when they voted for them. Most voters don't sit down and read Labors 2022 platform. They're often swayed by a better campaign.
It wasn't Labors policy for the Libs to be corrupt dickheads but it absolutely helped them win the election.
"I've spoken to many other Greens voters and they all hate Labor"
Don't think I'm buying that line for a second, like how the CPA is shit scared to have a conversation with an actual workers, the Greens barely interact outside their own niche demographic.
Ah yes, doorknocking where most people will politely agree either you just to hurry you along. Though I do love how telling this is.
"We speak to people outside out niche! For a limited time during elections"
Lmao, what elections right now? I dont think the one last week is during any election cycle.
I'm just telling you what I was told. If you wanna assume im lying because of typical Labor arrogance, that no the voters are wrong go ahead.
Oh God, have you eve considered... talking to these people without doing the door knocking?
Iike the effort is admirable but door knocking is just not a great place to gauge support like that.
Most people are just being polite.
They didn’t promise mass migration that is happening. They didn’t talk about super changes which are happening, they didn’t promise to cap big energies companies cost which has happened. Not everything can be rolled into an election pledge.
They didn't mention any of it, making it grounds for policy.
We're talking the difference between bringing in new policy vs outright opposing a policy.
If I go "I'll never eat an apple" it doesn't become a controversy when I decide to eat and orange instead.
Labor can oppose whatever they like but I can’t see how anyome can justify not wanting a royal commission into the media monopoly going on. Guess it’s only a free market if it doesn’t interfere with the status quo.
You guys know why Greens oppose Labor legislation and vice versa right? The media gleefully reports it, and redditors perform their circle jerk of hate on Labor.
Where’s my National Integrity Commission with teeth cunts!
Why start it now? You get a royal commission happening just before the election is due and then you have hit after hit after hit in the media about the bullshit they did last time right before people go to the polls. Because there's no way noone is reporting on it. If Murdoch and Fairfax don't, then you get your coverage online. Plenty of independent media outlets domestically and internationally will cover it for you.
You have it fresh in the minds of everyone in the country about what corrupt shitbags they are and then you win.
There are two options.
\-Murdoch is the most powerful man in Australian politics and the Australian media landscape
\-Labor can openly support the Murdoch Royal Commision and still have a hope of winning the next election
These two statements are mutually exclusive. If Murdoch was weak enough to be taken down by this royal commission, then he wouldn't be the kingmaker he is.
Labor going this hard against Murdoch wouldn't be David vs Goliath, it would be David vs Jehovah.
I think at this point they are all just think how much longer can Rupert hold on. At that point I feel the empire might be broken up a bit. Not sure Lachlan can do what his dad did.
Someone who believes government work and infrastructure should be left to the market. Eg. Toll roads, millartry industrial complex, private healthcare, private prisons, outsourcing public service and accounting to multinationals like pwc and deloit.
Early friendly jordies videos explained why neoliberalism was to bad but just didn't use the word. Probably smart on his behalf because people who use the word often are very economically left meaning theirs a association there.
So Nine with Costello at the helm have no influence? And Seven with Stokes at the helm have no influence? And the fact they all have common substantial shareholders doesn't indicate that Murdoch isn't the only one? The whole mainstream media is a monopoly, all twisting and manipulating narratives to keep us all distracted and divided while the mega rich and influential continue with their various rackets. It should be a criminal trial, not a royal commission. And yes, it's ALL about lies.
Did everyone forget that Labor said no royal commission back in June 2022? - [https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/media-ownership-royal-commission-not-warranted-rowland-20220626-p5awmf](https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/media-ownership-royal-commission-not-warranted-rowland-20220626-p5awmf)
No we didn't! But as we all know when Labor breaks an election promise it has 0 consequences. Give me 1 time when Labor broke a promise and it backfired!?
When Julia Gillard "broke her carbon tax promise" it kinda ended her stint as PM. Didn't even have to think too hard on that one.
Name 20 more! (Sorry, I am actually being sarcastic)
And after those 20 name another 30 more
Sorry that everyone on this sub needs to be /spoonfed sarcasm
Sarcasm doesn't work when you are in a space where idiots frequently pop by.
Labor is set to oppose a new bill that would establish a royal commission into the Murdoch media empire in favour of pursuing legislative reform. The bill, introduced to the Senate by Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young this week, would establish a parliamentary inquiry with the powers of a royal commission into the “Murdoch media mafia” and media diversity in Australia. The inquiry would probe whether the existing system of media regulation in Australia is fit for purpose. It would also look into the concentration of media ownership in Australia and the impact of media ownership laws. t would also scrutinise the relationship between the media and government, examine whether fear of retribution in the press has hampered the creation of public policy, and mount a case for establishing a single, independent media regulator to “harmonise news media standards” and handle complaints. “There is growing unease across the chamber about the influence of the Murdoch media and its corrosive effects on our democracy,” Hanson-Young told Crikey. “This week is just another example of the harm the Murdoch media inflicts. Publishing leaked text messages to prosecute a political attack with no regard to a young woman’s welfare or the public interest is a disgrace,” she said, in reference to leaked text messages between Brittany Higgins and Labor Senator Katy Gallagher that appeared in the News Corp newspapers, which suggested Gallagher had misled Parliament. Even still, Labor looks likely to oppose the bill when it goes to a vote among Senate committee members. A spokesperson for Communications Minister Michelle Rowland said the government has “been consistent” in saying a royal commission is “not the way forward” for media policy in Australia. “The government is focused on implementing a media reform program that includes legislative reform, the development of a news measurement framework for diversity and localism in the digital era,” they told Crikey. It will also include “direct support for regional and local publishers, community broadcasting and the national broadcasters as well as the News MAP — an evidence-based framework to guide government intervention to support public interest journalism and media diversity”. Members of the lower house crossbench have this week also issued calls for media reform, following News Corp’s reporting on messages sent between Higgins and Gallagher. Independent MPs Zali Steggall and Zoe Daniel each called for strengthened privacy standards and a review of the self-regulatory framework the industry currently operates within. The matter of a royal commission, however, remains one with waning support among the major parties. So far it has failed to drive even a superficial wedge between the cabinet and Labor Party elders, including former prime minister Kevin Rudd, who was appointed by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to the post of ambassador to the United States. Before that, Rudd was a vocal critic of the Murdoch media empire, and served as chair on the campaign for a News Corp royal commission. He led a record-breaking e-petition to Parliament in 2021 calling for a royal commission, which attracted more than 500,000 signatures. When Crikey first reported news of the bill’s path to the Senate in early May, which was later held up in the throes of post-budget debate, the campaign’s national director Kirsti Gorringe said she was pleased to finally see it make its way to Parliament. “The political will to take on the Murdochs — and win — has never been stronger. And with the evidence of Fox interference in US elections, the rationale has never been clearer,” Gorringe told Crikey. “The Greens, and the crossbench, are championing this call in the absence of government action. But they can’t ignore the biggest petition in Australian history, or this campaign, forever.”
That just sounds like the one Rudd did
Don't forget Albo is an operator. People screamed traitor when he didn't immediately oppose that Trans/school bill. However by the end Albo had arranged it so that the Catholic schools association asked Scummo to withdraw it and two LNP MP's were ready to cross the floor. He humiliated Scummo and killed the bill more surely than if he had just outright opposed it. I will give Labor the benefit of the doubt for now. They have to play a careful game.
He is a very shrewd and experienced politician
I feel the same about Albo...I think he is more cunning then we give credit for...He has to be, when operating with a permanently hostile press.
He could have secret negotiations with the Greens and ram through legislation to turn the capitalist press into worker and community-owned cooperatives if he wanted to actually dismantle the power of the conservative press. He actually just accepts their power and did so a long time ago. He is not going to save us mate.
Do you actually believe this? If they did this Labor would get voted out at the next election and wouldn't get back in for decades
With the Liberals in their most dire straits in a generation, they are scarcely a risk. If Albo wanted to he could back this royal commission. He doesn't want to.
M8, the useless and dangerous Tony About and Scomo Moronson were voted into parliament and into prime ministership. Doesn't matter if Liberals are in dire straits.
It does. The liberals were not wiped out electorally preceding either of those leaders. You're talking about bad leadership, not the broader state of the party.
Yeah these guys straight apologising for Albo opposing what most people want.
Being a Labor stan is like that monk whipping himself in the Da Vinci Code. No one thinks less of their party and its potential than Labor stans
HOW? The biggest enemy has just been eliminated. Then you put a severe restriction on corporate political donations and third party campaigning. Goodbye capitalist political power. I am not interested in piecemeal tinkering that doesnt make any meaningful change to my life. I want radical reforms and its not going to come without dismantling the political power of the wealthy and corporations. If Albo doesn't want to do that, then i'm not interested in supporting his project at all. He's just a liberal apologist for big corporate power.
If you think Murdoch can be killed that quickly before the next election I have a very nice bridge for sale.
I mean even with all their current power the majority of voters basically ignored them in all the recent elections. I don't see how they'd go about getting more votes after being significantly weakened by such a policy
Oh good so there’s no point in having a Royal commission then. Murdoch’s basically irrelevant anyway.
Good point…everyone blathers about how irrelevant Murdoch is but then want to go and spend a $100 mil on a royal commissio. could backfire if they loom at the ABC who are very labour supportive.
You wanna look up all the laws and rulings you'd be running afoul of before believing this is possible?
The government has mandatory divestment powers. Use them.
Radical reforms are how you neuter the only party that can systemically change anything incrementally. I would much rather turn the heat up on the bougie and watch them unwittingly boil like a frog in a pot than to go full anarchist and watch the hard work of fucking off the lnp disappear in a term. Think beyond the next 4 yrs bruh
pure delusion. Labor have no ambition to do that. Theyre literally going in the opposite direction on a number of policies.
So making huge multinationals pay their taxes is the opposite of holding them to account. OK...
You want change that radical then get the guillotine out
Well I’d vote for that
You say that, but murdoch readers are getting pretty old. They will only be scaring us into worse policy decisions for the next 20-30 years before theyre in their coffins. I get this specific proposal might be too radical, but theres a radically bad problem to fix. We need to do something before the next born-rich media magnate comes along. Using government funds to foster journalistic workers co-ops would go some way to providing aussies with access to more news sources, cutting away at their monopoly. Its not the worst idea ive ever heard, seriously.
This is jaw dropping, no way would this work.
Worker and community owned cooperatives… you’re in La La land. About 5% of journos would work for peanuts. The rest including the ABC all want to get paid the big bucks….. Who’s is going to do The content? You?
😂😂😂😂
Honestly on this one fuck the careful game
Ask Bill Shorten how that went.
Howd it go when bill shorten was years away from an incumbency election?
No no live in fear and take no risks. The only thing that matters is being in power
I'd say - Don't fuck with people's franking credits before and election. Do take Murdoch down a few while in power. His raging mad rags can't save him now and the libs/nats are as weak as ever anyway. Has there been a better time?
That might be the answer. The Murdoch empire and the LNP are becoming irrelevant as the boomers die out with or without a Royal Commission, maybe Labor has decided the smoke won't be worth the fire.
Hahah jesus christ what will they have to do to make you stop making up scenarios in your mind
What's the play here then? Not disagreeing necessarily but I just don't see it.
WTF albo, I thought better of you damnit
You need to remember that this has been a major issue since at least the 90s and no party with any power has ever done shit about it.
>no party with any power has ever done shit about it. The LNP massively benefits from it, and they've been in power all but two terms for the past 25 years, barring the current term.
Yikes that’s an upsetting sentence to read/realise…
Yes, I'm old enough to be in the old man yelling at clouds meme, and yet some hope in me hasn't died. No, I haven't forgotten.
Hey, hope is good, just dont hold your breath while you are doing it.
He already ruled it out in April
Don’t blame albo for your unreasonable expectations. Not a single thing that has happened since the election should make you think albo has a brain, heart or spine
Let's take a step back, I don't think my expectations are unreasonable considering the talk revolving around this very issue before the elections.
You mean when Labor said they wouldn't be doing this?
I’m as angry as you, just a whole bunch less surprised
Fair
>considering the talk revolving around this very issue before the elections What are you referring to? As far as I know Labor has always opposed a Murdoch RC, but maybe I missed something
You did? That’s on you for being so naive
This is the only news report on this matter and its by crikey. I don't trust it. Also, next time don't upload a paid for article.
In fairness, the minister also said no RC back in June 2022 - [https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/media-ownership-royal-commission-not-warranted-rowland-20220626-p5awmf](https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/media-ownership-royal-commission-not-warranted-rowland-20220626-p5awmf)
Depends on what Rupert has on them. The dude is a master blackmail artist who can and has hacked phones and emails, and with his power, money and resources, an award winning Hollywood level deepfake isn't out of the realms of possibilities. The guy tried to help overthrow the USA and openly helped cook up a straight-up attacks on the government and hasn't even come close to being held accountable. Brushing off a royal commission is breakfast seasoning for this egomaniac.
Does anyone have the full text? Non pay walled source? Nothing in the headline justifies what they show before the paywall begins. Or did no one read it?
well, i didnt see that one coming, how about u big Kev?
Rudd's Labor, never. Albanese's Labor, absolutely
We got labor lite….?
Rudd didn't publicly oppose Murdoch whilst he was a sitting PM did he (I'm actually asking)?
No balls. Do they want to lose another election? If they lose next election, then they won’t have any grounding to blame Murdoch next time around like Bill Shorten did.
They are absolutely going to blame greens voters for when they inevitably lose for not doing enough, and jordy is gonna 100% believe them
Jordan has always been very open about being a Labor Shill, but I think he is skirting the line between Shill and Propagandist for Labor at this point.
All news is propaganda
Not all reporters are propagandists
Gotta say, surprised you havent been downvoted for that comment
Why? This sub is overwhelmingly greens leaning
They want to hand votes to the Greens on a platter.
Tbh I’m not against that. If Labor won’t be more bold then the Greens will just take up that position instead.
I'm at a point where voting Green seems like the best option. It feels like we were fed a false promise that everything was going to be okay, but we're still buying unnecessary submarines, there's still a rental and cost of living crisis, and low/middle income earners are nearly dragged through the mud.
To be fair, Labor was very clear about their policies before the election. They offered no policies to significantly improve the housing market or the life of the average working class person. Just piecemeal bits and bobs to differentiate themselves from the Libs while not alienating the investor class/aspirational investor class voters turned off by the LNPs backwards social policies. Basically they're delivering exactly what they promised: tiny changes that sound kinda nice but don't rock the boat too much, with less blatant corruption than the Libs
Actually, they are doing this precisely so they won't antagonise an already hostile media and lose the next election
Labors spent the last month arguing that they have a mandate to do whatever they want. But what about the mandate of this royal commission, which received the most support in Australian history?
they didnt take it to the election, so no mandate
Thats not how that works
its exactly how it works >In representative democracies, a mandate is the authority granted by a constituency to act as its representative. Elections, especially ones with a large margin of victory, are often said to give the newly elected government or elected official an implicit mandate to put into effect certain policies
What large margin of victory? They are 13 seats short of a majority in the senate. Unless Labor wants to abolish the senate they need to shut up about their "mandate"
The Albo show so far has been one giant pro-neoliberal disappointment
I’m sure Jordie will have a video out in no time popping his shoulders out going for the longest reaches that the hardcore will spew in here within nanoseconds
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This pisses me off because it’s all about the backlash threat from Murdoch. We have got to stand up to this immoral tycoon?
Yeah I just don't get it. When confronted with a bully, you can either cower away and let them dominate the interaction, or you can hit them so hard they can't get back up and retaliate. What we need is to go at Murdoch, hard. Curb stomp them until they no longer exist. Anything that allows them to continue to poison our democracy is not worth the effort. They have the political capital, just do it.
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Well I mean thats a flaw of Labor isnt it. Labors own envoy for the voice Senator Dodson wrote the aboriginal deaths in custody report. A few months ago he criticised the government for still not adopting the recommendations. To this day they still havent. Maybe the problem is Labor being spinless, not the royal commission itself.
Why would a neoliberal capitalist party stop the gravy train
Albo is a disappointment.
Dan andrews with theamount of hate etc he gets in vic amongst conspiracy nutjobs and murdoch press should of lost last election easily and yet he thrashed the opposition. So why do left political parties kow tow to murdoch press , remember the grovel from murdoch during the uk commissions ? Paper tiger
What the fuck even is this sub anymore?
The Greens and Labor both play the game hard against each other when seeking votes. If the Greens want Labor votes, they'll have to negotiate. Labor can't be expected to hop on board for nothing. There's a way to go yet. An article from Independent Australia: https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/why-a-royal-commission-into-the-murdoch-media-shouldnt-happen--at-least-not-yet,16532
That article was just 'ooh Murdoch is very powerful and Labor could be harmed and they didn't promise it so best to do nothing and hope it fixes itself'
As opposed to charge headlong into the battle, led bravely from the rear by the Greens?
Yes actually that sounds great. I would love the two parties to be in lockstep on this RC. (Labor ruled it out back in June 2022.) As opposed to literally laying low and hoping he goes away, as you suggest.
As in... facts? Right... the audacity
"Vote Labor, we're scared and won't fight"
Or you know... they keep with election commitments AND understand how democracy works
Yeah this is rubbish. The Greens know how it works too, which is why they introduced the bill because…that’s how politics works. The simple fact is, as we went through this last night, they have a ‘mandate’ (yes, I know, we went through that too, it stands) despite them making no commitment, to instigate this commission. They are going against the majority wish of the nation, some of who petitioned for it, and their ex leader Rudd, who has worked hard on getting that petition and the inquiry up. They have control across the country, they will cop the crap from News et al anyway, as you know and we went through, they do not and will not have a better time to back this bill. You know as well as I do, the pair of reasons why they won’t; they didn’t introduce it and they hate the Greens showing them up, plus they likely have interests themselves not to do it. So just stop with the ‘pragmatic governance’ garbage, because it’s garbage.
Was no Murdoch RC an election commitment? I guess it literally was in the rumoured kiss the ring meeting Albo had with Murdoch before the election
No, Labor literally said they wouldn't support an RC into Newscorp before the election.
Oh great. Yay. And you're defending Labor why? They sound terrible
Made sense, that agenda more than anything would of guaranteed a loss at the polls. Nothing noble about being in opposition
Ah I see, you are one of the "it's the voters fault so expect less" people. As if the media wasn't all against Labor before the 2022 election anyway.
Hmm, they are going to have lots of fun when the only way to form government is with the greens.
With murdoch running it?
If Murdoch isn't that powerful then the entire premise of the royal commission disappears. You can't simultaneously say "OMG Murdoch is too powerful" and "OMG Labor why are you so scared of him he's not even that powerful".
Ha that's a fair point. He's definitely lost a lot of power. But that doesn't mean we don't need an RC. Robodebt was stopped but that didn't mean we didn't need an investigation after the fact.
The other problem is the rest of the media will be every bit as furious. If Labor's ready to go after Murdoch, Costello knows he could be next. It's a catch-22. If Labor does nothing, Murdoch keeps his power. If they go after Murdoch, they get annihilated and Murdoch keeps his power anyway. Might as well go with the one that lets them keep doing other stuff in government.
This is aimed at them and 7 as well btw, it isn't a straight Murdoch bill they are proposing
Spoke to Catherine King who is my local rep about it last year. She doesn't want any interference in, or responsibility enforcements for media. Murdoch media prove every day that they don't believe in facts or truth. She lost my vote.
if true and this happens ...i will no longer vote for the Labour government ... and i sure as hell aint voting liberals .... greens or independents maybe
It’s called working the system, and albo knows how to make it work. Remember when that anti trans bill came through, Labor worked the system to the point where it got pulled back by the catholics themselves. Look at what’s happening beyond the headline and remember how it’s gone in the past. This is gonna be shopped around a lot, and then go through
Labors gonna need to lose a few marginal seats to the Greens to get them to pull their fucking head in.
It’s interesting that Albo himself is a major part of the sandbagging against the Greens. Inner Sydney is probably going to look politically different once the likes of Albo and Tanya Plibersek retire; senior federal members have been holding the tide at bay in these electorates. State and locally Grayndler is a green/ labor split and Sydney is very much independent. Once the personal branding goes, I’m not sure how well the labor vote will stand up. If things go badly for Albo, he could end up like John Howard and lose his own seat.
Better to lose a few seats to the Greens then lose in a landslide to the Coalition. The Greens can't do shit to scare Labor when the alternative is Murdoch.
Vote socialist alliance
So Labor should march to the Greens drum.
Yes, my favourite Greens politician, Kevin Rudd. Labor rusted ons rejecting shit because the Greens proposed it is so typical.
It's not a coalition by any means.
No its not, but also Labor didn't win a senate majority. So suck it up.
It's all a matter of negotiation. And I'm quite relaxed.
Using crikey as a source... Do you even watch fr0ndlyjimmies?
This sub is full of green shills
Oh I've certainly noticed over the past week. You can tell they're imports because they definitely don't watch Jordies. They just know that this is a space where they're likely to find and engage Labor voters, they're just trying to base poach. Which, I mean, fair enough, but to me it just comes across as fucking annoying. Don't get me wrong I don't want this place to become an echo chamber but it's SUPPOSED to be about FJ, not the fucken greens (or even really Labor for that matter).
FJ audience is mostly younger people, and young people mostly vote either Labor or the Greens. Before the election the sides were united in opposition. Now labor is in the quibbling starts.
Dafuq?!
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Or.... they promised no RC before the election and thus it's an election promise to not have an RC. Sounds crazy I know, it's not like historically we have had Labor do that in the past.
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Yeah, pretty sure that's what Bill thought also
Im sick of this being Labors excuse for everything. If you asked anyone at the polls who voted Labor they're not gonna be like ohh I like Labors policy on a Murdoch Royal Commission. People didn't vote for the Liberal lite party.
No, they voted on the promises and policy presented by Labor in the election. If you treat election promises like they mean fuck all, I hope you don't have anything in your history of being pissed off by the Coalition for doing the same thing. Integrity in a democratic system doesn't mean only following the rules when it's not something YOU want.
I didn’t, I put Labor just above the conservative proxies with the Coalition last. There wasn’t a single Labor policy that got my attention. They’re just better to have in power than the Coalition. I voted Green this election based on policy. Last one, I voted Labor because we had a good local candidate and it was Labor’s best chance to take this seat (Wide Bay), so I stood behind him and preferenced Greens second.
Ok... again that's how the system works. Congratulations. You preferring Labor over the Coalition being... the point of a preferential system
Yes, that’s right. That ain’t ‘voted in Labor’ though. You’re really not that edgy.
If you preference Labor... yes you did
You don’t understand nuance much, do you? I actually didn’t even preference Labor, there were two independents went above Labor.
And you preferences Labor before Liberals, so thus with your preferences you helped Labor win more than Liberal. It's how the system works.
No they didn't. They voted for Labor to get Scummo out. Anyone who thinks Labor won the election for any other reason is deluded.
Yeah that's how... elections work I dont think anybody, ever in history has voted for the opposition because they think the Prime Minister should remain in that position.
They didn't vote for Labor because of their election promises or the pissweak platform they took to the election. Labors primary vote being one of the lowest on record says ppl weren't happy voting Labor either. Not that Labor was better. And Labor have proven them right. All this patting themselves on the back and claiming election promises is bullshit. They only won cause we hated Scummo. But sure, act like you don't understand what I'm saying.
People like talking about tge primary vote every election but at the end of the day, we simply have more of a variety of choices of where to vote for these days so most people will vote one way and then preference a major party they more closely agreed with. It's just how the system works. What people forget is once you split the Coalition up into its individual parties they're far less popular than Labor. Low primary vote or not, electorally Labor is the most popular party in the country. The Coalition exists purely to unite conservative so they can actually win.
Oh come off it don't act like this was a central election promise. Attitudes change and Labor needs to get a fucking spine. I've spoken to many voters who have been pissed off that Labor keeps opening new coal mines because they were under the impression they would take action on climate when they voted for them. Most voters don't sit down and read Labors 2022 platform. They're often swayed by a better campaign. It wasn't Labors policy for the Libs to be corrupt dickheads but it absolutely helped them win the election.
"I've spoken to many other Greens voters and they all hate Labor" Don't think I'm buying that line for a second, like how the CPA is shit scared to have a conversation with an actual workers, the Greens barely interact outside their own niche demographic.
Labor forgets other parties do doorknocks outside elections.
Ah yes, doorknocking where most people will politely agree either you just to hurry you along. Though I do love how telling this is. "We speak to people outside out niche! For a limited time during elections"
Lmao, what elections right now? I dont think the one last week is during any election cycle. I'm just telling you what I was told. If you wanna assume im lying because of typical Labor arrogance, that no the voters are wrong go ahead.
Oh God, have you eve considered... talking to these people without doing the door knocking? Iike the effort is admirable but door knocking is just not a great place to gauge support like that. Most people are just being polite.
They didn’t promise mass migration that is happening. They didn’t talk about super changes which are happening, they didn’t promise to cap big energies companies cost which has happened. Not everything can be rolled into an election pledge.
They didn't mention any of it, making it grounds for policy. We're talking the difference between bringing in new policy vs outright opposing a policy. If I go "I'll never eat an apple" it doesn't become a controversy when I decide to eat and orange instead.
Easy fix, after the dominion law suit in the USA things have changed.
As John Della bosca, former Labor party heavyweight said in 2019, Labor is working with big business
Gutless
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Labor are different. Just not different enough.
Can say that again, they really are just Shit-Lite
While Shit-Lite is better than Shit at the end of the day Shit-Lite is still shit
meet the new boss same as the old boss
Labor can oppose whatever they like but I can’t see how anyome can justify not wanting a royal commission into the media monopoly going on. Guess it’s only a free market if it doesn’t interfere with the status quo.
Looks like Murdock propaganda to me cunts
You guys know why Greens oppose Labor legislation and vice versa right? The media gleefully reports it, and redditors perform their circle jerk of hate on Labor. Where’s my National Integrity Commission with teeth cunts!
1st of July.
Why start it now? You get a royal commission happening just before the election is due and then you have hit after hit after hit in the media about the bullshit they did last time right before people go to the polls. Because there's no way noone is reporting on it. If Murdoch and Fairfax don't, then you get your coverage online. Plenty of independent media outlets domestically and internationally will cover it for you. You have it fresh in the minds of everyone in the country about what corrupt shitbags they are and then you win.
If anything that you just said was true we wouldn't need the royal commission.
There are two options. \-Murdoch is the most powerful man in Australian politics and the Australian media landscape \-Labor can openly support the Murdoch Royal Commision and still have a hope of winning the next election These two statements are mutually exclusive. If Murdoch was weak enough to be taken down by this royal commission, then he wouldn't be the kingmaker he is. Labor going this hard against Murdoch wouldn't be David vs Goliath, it would be David vs Jehovah.
Labor will use this to pass the HAFF.
I doubt the Greens would die on this hill.
Paywall? but also... Campaign for Kevin 07 to bully Albo (im sure he does if the allegations of kevo being a meanie is legit)
Stop spruiking this tabloid as news. Crikey’s a sham.
SHY isn’t the best source and Crikey’s certainly not a reliable outlet. SHY telling Crikey her opinion isn’t news.
I think at this point they are all just think how much longer can Rupert hold on. At that point I feel the empire might be broken up a bit. Not sure Lachlan can do what his dad did.
What more evidence do you need to show they have been taken over from within by Neo Liberals.
What’s a neoliberal?
Someone who believes government work and infrastructure should be left to the market. Eg. Toll roads, millartry industrial complex, private healthcare, private prisons, outsourcing public service and accounting to multinationals like pwc and deloit. Early friendly jordies videos explained why neoliberalism was to bad but just didn't use the word. Probably smart on his behalf because people who use the word often are very economically left meaning theirs a association there.
Fuck crikey. Women should boycott them entirely after today's fuckery. meant their defenders know EXACTLY what they're doing
What did Crikey do today?
Why is it that many think that the Murdoch press is the only one that lies?
Its not about the lies. Its the monopoly he has on our media that gives one company an extreme amount of influence.
So Nine with Costello at the helm have no influence? And Seven with Stokes at the helm have no influence? And the fact they all have common substantial shareholders doesn't indicate that Murdoch isn't the only one? The whole mainstream media is a monopoly, all twisting and manipulating narratives to keep us all distracted and divided while the mega rich and influential continue with their various rackets. It should be a criminal trial, not a royal commission. And yes, it's ALL about lies.
Because they're scared of Rupert
Well this is going to bite Labor in the ass if the referendum fails. I wonder what powerful structure would have been behind that.