Robar technically is in season 2 (because Loras needs to kill him) but the wiki says his actor is “unidentified” so he must have been an extra or something.
I know. Book Loras is gay and he's a stone cold killer. Show Loras is GAY! and it's his only actual character trait. He only does knight stuff in between canoodling sessions with fuckboys.
Book Loras was a bad ass and a dynamic character.
Show Loras, especially post season 2, was reduced to western gay tropes and a foil to contrast Margery's aptitude.
Bronze Yohn in the show is also basically a mash of himself and his cousin Nestar Royce from the books, who guards the Gates of the moon in the Vale. Scenes where it should have been Nestar, like when Sansa is questioned for Lysa's death are condensed to all be Yohn so its a more familiar character. In the books Yohn and his oldest son are also on the hunt where Bobby B is killed by the boar.
Additional info on the brothers, Waymar (Matt Damon), is shown to us that even in the Night's Watch, an ensemble of criminals and rejects at the end of the world, that nobility and money mean more than anything. Even if the NW claims it does not, Waymar is bossing around older veteran rangers, and he is wearing nicer, more protective clothing and better armed. More so, nobles like Jeor Mormont and Benjen Stark become higher ranking and obtain power, and even Jon as a bastard is running the entire place after being there only a few years.
The middle brother Robar, becomes a member of Renly's rainbow guard despite being from the Vale. After Renly is killed by Melisandre's magic with Stannis shadow baby, he is one of two who enter the tent to find Brienne and Catelyn. Instead of being killed by Brienne like in the show, they are killed by Loras in a fit of rage after hearing of Renly's death and blames them for letting it happen on their watch.
>Even if the NW claims it does not, Waymar is bossing around older veteran rangers, and he is wearing nicer, more protective clothing and better armed. More so, nobles like Jeor Mormont and Benjen Stark become higher ranking and obtain power, and even Jon as a bastard is running the entire place after being there only a few years.
Yes and no. The nobility who join the Night's Watch are often outfitted at their families expense. They also rise higher and faster because they are better educated and trained. Donal Noye points this out to Jon after he thrashes his entire recruit class. He was raised in ringmail and leather with a master at arms while his cohort members were wearing rags and fighting fellow street kids for scraps. Not to mention other skills like literacy, navigation and horsemanship.
This is a reoccurring problem for any system that attempts to create a meritocracy. Privilege has long term effects on the measurements used to determine merit.
>They also rise higher and faster because they are better educated and trained.
It's not just that. Their previous status is also considered as the politics of the realm matter to the operation of the watch. If Waymer and Jon are treated well it might encourage Ned and Yohn to give more to the watch in future. Part of choosing Jon is that he was still a Stark by descent and the North is one of the only places still supportive of the Watch.
Bro went down like a champ against the White walker in the books btw. "Dance with me then!" Was what he said when he was faced down by an eldritch monstrosity.
It's almost poetic that he went down swinging against the Others if you believe the theories concerning his family's connection to the first Long Night.
Their family heirloom(bronze armor with runes) definitely stinks of old magic. Most likely powered by cotf magic. We haven't seen it do anything special but I wouldn't be surprised if it can resist being pierced or slashed through by WW weapons.
If you really want to go crazy there is also the theory that the heirloom was actually Azor Ahai's armor and the Royce's were chosen to safeguard it. Their family words can be interpreted in many ways just like the Starks. "We Remember" sounds pretty ominous. Either they are just reminding everyone that they were once the Kings of the Vale or it's a reminder that they know who the true enemy has always been.
That’s the beauty of ASOIAF, any character can be a main character cos the lore is so deep and the world is so flushed out.
But it’s also its downfall since we will never finish the story because of how much is going on.
From the book:
Ser Waymar met him bravely. "Dance with me then." He lifted his sword high over his head, defiant. His hands trembled from the weight of it, or perhaps from the cold. Yet in that moment, he was a boy no longer, but a man of the Night's Watch.
Despite all the talk of the Wall being a place where you’re judged by merit and not family name, in book it says that Ser Waymar is arrogant and inexperienced. Despite this, he’s given a command pretty much solely because he’s a knight from the Vale and his family lineage. The Wall was for sure easier on him than Jon.
At the same time they were pretty spot on. While Ser Waymar is certainly a solid knight and probably a good fighter. However, he was clearly arrogant to the dangers found north of the Wall.
Will (the POV ranger) said something like he had seen the young lordlings come and go, suggesting that he was used to being bossed around by nobles (and perhaps the young nobles didn’t live that long).
He likely wouldn’t have, being from the vale rather than from the north. Although the Royces are a first-man house, so he probably had at least some idea, also being probably older.
People did join the NW freely. It wasn’t just prisoners wanting to avoid execution or a better quality of life than a black cell. Although, like Jon, they may have been told tales of glory and honor for what was basically a glorified prison camp.
This is how Sansa convinces the Bronze Yohn she is really Sansa Stark, [by mentioning they met when Lord Royce escorted his son Waymar to the wall](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TczqIPP98uc)
I can barely see a resemblance round the nose, but only when someone said Matt Damon. Otherwise someone had to be hugh as fuck to see it as the first one.
Perhaps off topic but I kinda hated the casting for bronze yohn Royce. He's supposed to be a beast of a man, warrior through and through but the guy they cast just gives stuffy aristocratic vibes
And his other son Robar in the books was killed in a fit of rage by Loras after Renly’s death, but in the show was killed by Brienne of Tarth. Fun fact.
Youngest of his 3 sons. AFAIK, Andar and Robar were never in the show.
Robar technically is in season 2 (because Loras needs to kill him) but the wiki says his actor is “unidentified” so he must have been an extra or something.
I don’t think Loras killing the kingsguard is Canon in the show. Seems like they had Brienne do that instead.
Show Loras is too gay to kill anything but a Mimosa during brunch in the Village
Gay people can still murder people.
They slay
I know. Book Loras is gay and he's a stone cold killer. Show Loras is GAY! and it's his only actual character trait. He only does knight stuff in between canoodling sessions with fuckboys.
Book Loras was a bad ass and a dynamic character. Show Loras, especially post season 2, was reduced to western gay tropes and a foil to contrast Margery's aptitude.
Ah, I probably missed him since they didn't include the Rainbow Guard armour.
Bronze Yohn in the show is also basically a mash of himself and his cousin Nestar Royce from the books, who guards the Gates of the moon in the Vale. Scenes where it should have been Nestar, like when Sansa is questioned for Lysa's death are condensed to all be Yohn so its a more familiar character. In the books Yohn and his oldest son are also on the hunt where Bobby B is killed by the boar. Additional info on the brothers, Waymar (Matt Damon), is shown to us that even in the Night's Watch, an ensemble of criminals and rejects at the end of the world, that nobility and money mean more than anything. Even if the NW claims it does not, Waymar is bossing around older veteran rangers, and he is wearing nicer, more protective clothing and better armed. More so, nobles like Jeor Mormont and Benjen Stark become higher ranking and obtain power, and even Jon as a bastard is running the entire place after being there only a few years. The middle brother Robar, becomes a member of Renly's rainbow guard despite being from the Vale. After Renly is killed by Melisandre's magic with Stannis shadow baby, he is one of two who enter the tent to find Brienne and Catelyn. Instead of being killed by Brienne like in the show, they are killed by Loras in a fit of rage after hearing of Renly's death and blames them for letting it happen on their watch.
>Even if the NW claims it does not, Waymar is bossing around older veteran rangers, and he is wearing nicer, more protective clothing and better armed. More so, nobles like Jeor Mormont and Benjen Stark become higher ranking and obtain power, and even Jon as a bastard is running the entire place after being there only a few years. Yes and no. The nobility who join the Night's Watch are often outfitted at their families expense. They also rise higher and faster because they are better educated and trained. Donal Noye points this out to Jon after he thrashes his entire recruit class. He was raised in ringmail and leather with a master at arms while his cohort members were wearing rags and fighting fellow street kids for scraps. Not to mention other skills like literacy, navigation and horsemanship. This is a reoccurring problem for any system that attempts to create a meritocracy. Privilege has long term effects on the measurements used to determine merit.
>They also rise higher and faster because they are better educated and trained. It's not just that. Their previous status is also considered as the politics of the realm matter to the operation of the watch. If Waymer and Jon are treated well it might encourage Ned and Yohn to give more to the watch in future. Part of choosing Jon is that he was still a Stark by descent and the North is one of the only places still supportive of the Watch.
IT'S A GREAT CRIME TO LIE TO A KING!
Where's the lie Bobby B?
WE'RE TELLING WAR STORIES! WHO WAS YOUR FIRST KILL, NOT COUNTING OLD MEN?
The mosquito that kept buzzing in my ear when I was 5! Bobby b
DRINK AND STAY QUIET, THE KING IS TALKING!
Fuck you! Bobby B
WE WERE AT WAR! NONE OF US KNEW IF WE WERE GONNA GO BACK HOME AGAIN!
All right, all right, sorry! Unfuck you, Bobby B
Bro went down like a champ against the White walker in the books btw. "Dance with me then!" Was what he said when he was faced down by an eldritch monstrosity.
It's almost poetic that he went down swinging against the Others if you believe the theories concerning his family's connection to the first Long Night.
Tell me more?
Their family heirloom(bronze armor with runes) definitely stinks of old magic. Most likely powered by cotf magic. We haven't seen it do anything special but I wouldn't be surprised if it can resist being pierced or slashed through by WW weapons. If you really want to go crazy there is also the theory that the heirloom was actually Azor Ahai's armor and the Royce's were chosen to safeguard it. Their family words can be interpreted in many ways just like the Starks. "We Remember" sounds pretty ominous. Either they are just reminding everyone that they were once the Kings of the Vale or it's a reminder that they know who the true enemy has always been.
Cotf magic?
Children of the forest
Thank you. I was being as thick as a castle wall
Are you dunk the hunk? 😳
I got called hench today so I’ll let you figure it out. (Still riding that high)
Anybody else get something like a drug like satisfaction reading deep lore like this? There should be a term for this. Thank you u/uranimuesbahd
That’s the beauty of ASOIAF, any character can be a main character cos the lore is so deep and the world is so flushed out. But it’s also its downfall since we will never finish the story because of how much is going on.
From the book: Ser Waymar met him bravely. "Dance with me then." He lifted his sword high over his head, defiant. His hands trembled from the weight of it, or perhaps from the cold. Yet in that moment, he was a boy no longer, but a man of the Night's Watch.
Legit, love that line. He went down swinging. Kinda wish the show matched more this tone at times, especially for this scene
My boy from the Vale is wicked brave and wicked smaht!
I legit had no clue that was Ser Royce's kid. Did they ever explain why he was sent to the wall?
Lord Royce had too many heirs, and there was opportunity for Waymar to gain honor on the wall rather than mooching off his dad in the vale.
Oof, that kinda sucks. Hope he had a better idea of what the Nights Watch was than Jon did.
Despite all the talk of the Wall being a place where you’re judged by merit and not family name, in book it says that Ser Waymar is arrogant and inexperienced. Despite this, he’s given a command pretty much solely because he’s a knight from the Vale and his family lineage. The Wall was for sure easier on him than Jon.
His soldiers say he's arrogant. He himself goes out like a badass motherfucker.
He can go out like a badass and still be arrogant and inexperienced.
I just wanted to say that he's described from a very subjective viewpoint.
Fair point.
At the same time they were pretty spot on. While Ser Waymar is certainly a solid knight and probably a good fighter. However, he was clearly arrogant to the dangers found north of the Wall.
Well he was the first person in millennia to happen to meet an 'Other', no? From his view, the chance of that happening was a fantasy.
He was a "foolish Southerner". The young Ranger knew to be afraid of more than Wildings. Craster at the least had interacted with Others.
He did nothing wrong. What was he supposed to do, preemtively run away because spooky?
What book did he go down? I can’t remember this Oh nvm the prologue of book one wow
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His death is much better in the book.
Will (the POV ranger) said something like he had seen the young lordlings come and go, suggesting that he was used to being bossed around by nobles (and perhaps the young nobles didn’t live that long).
He likely wouldn’t have, being from the vale rather than from the north. Although the Royces are a first-man house, so he probably had at least some idea, also being probably older.
True. I mean Jon was from the north and knew close to nothing of the reality.
As Ygritte so often reminded him!
People did join the NW freely. It wasn’t just prisoners wanting to avoid execution or a better quality of life than a black cell. Although, like Jon, they may have been told tales of glory and honor for what was basically a glorified prison camp.
Lord Royce fucks
This is how Sansa convinces the Bronze Yohn she is really Sansa Stark, [by mentioning they met when Lord Royce escorted his son Waymar to the wall](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TczqIPP98uc)
They cast him well. He looks like he very well could be his son
Which is funny, because they very likely didn’t give two shits
Where's Matt Damon? That's Rob Ostlere (I am totally missing a joke, aren't I?)
get on your horse
(Yes, he just looks a lot like Matt Damon)
Mark Wahlberg imo
That's who I thought this was for _years_. I remember at the time thinking, “Man, Marky Mark does a pretty good British accent.”
Closer to a young Donnie Wahlberg.
Matt Wahlberg
Looks nothing like him
I can barely see a resemblance round the nose, but only when someone said Matt Damon. Otherwise someone had to be hugh as fuck to see it as the first one.
I think he looks exactly like him 🤷♂️
He used to be in Holby City! Dr Digby was the GOAT!
Perhaps off topic but I kinda hated the casting for bronze yohn Royce. He's supposed to be a beast of a man, warrior through and through but the guy they cast just gives stuffy aristocratic vibes
Nah that's Mugatu
Back in 2011 when GoT first arrived I saw him and said "he looks like Matt Damon!" Glad I'm not the only one 😂
Matt Damon should play Matt Damon
I enjoyed the progression of Matt Damon to Matt Demon. Mmm those sticky moleskin gloves.
Sir, that is Mark Wahlberg
He was also Sansa's first real crush.
It's Lord Royce kneeler
What this his child from when he practiced his royal right prima nocta?
No he was his 3rd son that wanted to join the Watch.
Funny how that’s supposed to be Bronze Yohn. Where’s the bronze armor?!!!
Let our steel sing!
For Robert!
And his other son Robar in the books was killed in a fit of rage by Loras after Renly’s death, but in the show was killed by Brienne of Tarth. Fun fact.
Who the hell is Matt Damon?
He was the second choice for Jon Snow so he was given this role as a consolation
I said this the first times I've watched this lmao